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00:02:12 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:07:46 *** Mukke` [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 00:09:53 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 00:10:07 <RichK67> hi all 00:11:53 *** RichK67_ [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 00:16:34 <Sacro> hey RichK67_ 00:16:48 <Sacro> or RichK67 even 00:16:54 <RichK67_> ook - i got bumped 00:17:11 <Sacro> did you? 00:17:24 <RichK67_> by the system, not a person 00:17:56 <RichK67_> ahh well 00:18:50 <RichK67_> im thinking of making 2 versions of the TGP front end - one for new games, with current options plus no. of towns, no. of ind, start date 00:19:48 <RichK67_> one for scenario gen - with lots of options (eg. transmitters y/n, "generate as newgame", etc.)... any thoughts on what options you would like to see on the scengen version 00:19:51 <RichK67_> ? 00:25:12 <Sacro> lol, guess u mean me 00:25:28 <Sacro> im not sure, i dont generate scenarios 00:25:34 <RichK67_> anyone, really :) 00:26:26 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:29:33 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:36:52 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498EBB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 00:44:22 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-87-102-33-12.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 00:46:41 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-4d8571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:49:16 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@87.102.21.55] has joined #openttd 00:53:47 *** BJH__ [n=chatzill@e176113123.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 00:55:59 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-192-128.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! It was you wasn't it!?"] 01:00:25 *** RichK67_ [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 01:13:37 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:14:12 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #openttd 01:14:49 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a46ada.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:36:26 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 01:36:48 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 01:45:48 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 01:48:20 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 01:55:56 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@87.102.21.55] has quit [Client Quit] 01:56:01 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@87.102.21.55] has joined #openttd 02:17:35 *** jcs [n=jcs@i5387D496.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 02:17:43 <jcs> Hi @all 02:18:08 <Sacro> hey jcs 02:19:17 <jcs> a friend of mine wants to compile openttd 0.4.7 on suse 10 but always gets an error. strgen/strgen.c:5 02:19:51 <Sacro> whats the full error? 02:20:00 <jcs> and i thought someone in here may help or have an idea of whats wrong.. 02:20:32 <jcs> ===> Compiling and Linking strgen/strgen 02:20:34 <jcs> and then 02:20:55 <jcs> In file included from strgen/../stdafx.h:7, 02:21:07 <jcs> from strgen/strgen.c:5 02:21:39 <jcs> /usr/...../string.h:26: syntax error before str_fmt 02:21:46 <jcs> and so on. 02:21:51 <jcs> any ideas? :) 02:25:38 <jcs> the problem is, that the full error is in my mailbox as .jpg ;-) 02:25:38 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:25:50 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 02:26:10 *** TinoDidri is now known as Jezral 02:27:42 <Sacro> sorry, gtg, post it in tt-forums 02:27:44 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@87.102.21.55] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 02:38:44 *** wolf^ [i=wolf@pld-linux/wolf] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:38:58 *** wolf^ [i=wolf@pld-linux/wolf] has joined #openttd 02:39:29 *** Cxaxukluth [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 02:39:53 *** Red602 [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 02:42:57 *** plaf [n=plaf@Toronto-HSE-ppp3913568.sympatico.ca] has joined #openttd 02:44:34 <plaf> hi 02:45:01 *** jcs [n=jcs@i5387D496.versanet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 02:56:19 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:56:46 *** Zbeynex [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Success] 03:31:53 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has joined #openttd 03:36:23 *** Smoky555 [i=2h8983yf@sagitta.internal.vlink.ru] has joined #openttd 04:09:27 *** Belugas_Wakes [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 04:20:17 *** Belugas_Gone [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:48:29 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.1.3] has joined #openttd 04:51:40 *** Hackykid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 04:55:10 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-4d8571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 05:09:07 *** plaf [n=plaf@Toronto-HSE-ppp3913568.sympatico.ca] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:52:29 *** Xeryus|slaap is now known as XeryusTC 05:58:22 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 05:58:42 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn12-72.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:02:01 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:08:15 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:18:27 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:19:22 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:26:34 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn12-72.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 06:26:43 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 06:29:30 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:29:57 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:47:36 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 06:47:46 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:53:03 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["kthxbye"] 07:05:30 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 07:05:53 <MeusH> hello everybody 07:08:36 <[Shaman]> lo 07:11:45 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:12:40 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["And he disappears, like a fox, in the night."] 07:13:55 <Celestar> morning 07:14:16 <Celestar> KUDr: ping me when you got a minute 07:18:19 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:21:33 <Smoky555> morning :) 07:23:24 <Smoky555> since r5006 i can't compile OpenTTD in VC6 ... 07:23:24 <Smoky555> does anybody know something about this? 07:23:45 <Fujitsu> Why would you want to compile OpenTTD in VC6? 07:24:47 <Smoky555> sorry, not me, but my friends, they have old PC :( 07:24:47 <Smoky555> all errors are in YAPF modules 07:25:11 *** YoG|gone [n=zevele@bzq-88-153-178-83.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #openttd 07:25:21 <Celestar> Smoky555: VC6 is no longer supported 07:25:28 *** YoG|gone [n=zevele@bzq-88-153-178-83.red.bezeqint.net] has left #openttd [] 07:25:44 <Celestar> Smoky555: because it has a very very shitty C++ and a shitty C front-end 07:25:50 <Smoky555> ok, i see ... 07:26:04 <Celestar> Smoky555: there is Visual Studio 2005 Express 07:26:06 <Celestar> which is free 07:26:15 <Celestar> or use CygWin with minGW 07:26:19 * Smoky555 going to translate this for my friends ... 07:26:19 <Celestar> which is also free 07:26:25 <[Shaman]> or VS.NET 2005 if yer rich (or a pie-rat) 07:26:36 <Darkvater> and you got a newer pc 07:26:45 <Darkvater> cause it uses a ton of resources+ .NET framework 07:26:47 <Celestar> morning Darkvater 07:26:50 <Darkvater> hiya 07:26:57 <Smoky555> as for me, i use cygwin 07:27:01 <[Shaman]> Darkvater: not -that- much, most .net resources are shared resources anyways 07:27:06 <Fujitsu> Or you could use MinGW, or Linux. 07:27:17 <Darkvater> [Shaman]: think in terms of win98 07:27:18 <Celestar> I'm lucky that I don't haveta use this crappy OS 07:27:21 <Celestar> back in a few 07:27:23 <[Shaman]> eh 07:27:32 <[Shaman]> if you're stuck with win98 you might want to upgrade first :P 07:27:51 <[Shaman]> win98+.net = BOOM 07:27:56 <Darkvater> 09:24 < Smoky555> sorry, not me, but my friends, they have old PC :( 07:27:58 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #openttd 07:28:33 <[Shaman]> old pc can be an old 1.5ghz with winxp ;) 07:28:43 <Darkvater> oh 07:28:47 <Darkvater> heh 07:28:54 * Darkvater has an ancient pc 07:29:01 <[Shaman]> people complain their pc is old when it doesn't reach 3ghz 07:29:02 <Darkvater> 1.3GHz and 800MHz 07:29:10 <Prof_Frink> Pah 07:29:25 <Prof_Frink> 166MHz, 32MB ram, get in there 07:29:39 <[Shaman]> got a spare P166/32mb ram somewhere as well 07:29:49 <Darkvater> we can play the game of who can go the latest, but I actually use mine as my main pC 07:29:57 <Prof_Frink> [Shaman]: prolly bigger'n mine 07:30:08 <Darkvater> which I doubt of yours Prof_Frink, except if you have it set up as some file-server..which doesn't count :) 07:30:26 <Smoky555> Darkvater: "old PC" is P266 with 64M RAM ... 07:30:48 <[Shaman]> 1.4gb hdd e// 07:30:56 <[Shaman]> ok, that -is- old 07:31:00 <[Shaman]> might be able to run winxp tho :P 07:31:10 <[Shaman]> but wouldn't be smart to do :P 07:31:44 <[Shaman]> I'd say CygWin+MinGW 07:32:11 <Fujitsu> I'd say Linux... 07:32:35 <Darkvater> fuck I stayed up until 2AM to get this damn WSDL working 07:32:58 <[Shaman]> Fujitsu: Yes, let him learn a complete new OS on a crappy pc :P 07:33:04 <[Shaman]> ((Would be well amusing tho)) 07:33:06 <Darkvater> turned out I gave a resource the same name as my service, which then nicely failed with a NameBindExpression... 07:33:14 <Darkvater> oh yeah, don't you love good error messages? 07:33:29 <[Shaman]> ErrorMessages++ 07:33:47 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B76BB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:33:56 *** robobed [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:33:59 * peter1138 pats his trusty athlon 800 07:34:11 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1480.lns6-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:34:19 <Celestar> hi peops 07:34:21 <Smoky555> [Shaman]: can you explain me, how i can use CygWin+MinGW ? 07:34:38 <peter1138> there's a wiki article about it 07:34:51 <Celestar> Darkvater: we still have a bit of bugs left :( 07:35:07 <Celestar> Darkvater: I've been trying to fix the pathfinding problems ... 07:35:08 <Prof_Frink> Darkvater: Aye, that computer only really exists as a remote terminal and for warcycling 07:35:37 <peter1138> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Cygwin 07:35:42 <peter1138> (might be out of date now) 07:37:11 <[Shaman]> peter1138: athlon 800? dude yer so 20th century :P 07:38:11 <peter1138> it was top of the range once 07:38:16 <[Shaman]> heh 07:38:16 <peter1138> for about 5 minutes in 2000... 07:38:21 <Smoky555> peter1138: i use cygwin since 2004, i think that it is possible to use cygwin+MinGW ... 07:38:21 <Smoky555> but ... can you tell me, is PNGLIB working well in cygwin? can i compile OpenTTD in cygwin with pnglib? 07:38:25 <[Shaman]> nothing is 'top of the range' for longer than 5 minutes 07:39:25 <Celestar> Darkvater: wtf is WSDL? 07:40:25 <MeusH> Celestar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Services_Description_Language 07:41:21 <Celestar> uh huh 07:41:41 <Celestar> Darkvater: I found no easy way to fix the pathfinding bugs apart from rewriting parts of NTP (and I know too little about it) 07:42:38 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [i=johekr@p54B76F3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:42:43 <MeusH> why not to forget about NTP and go 100% YAPF? 07:42:55 <Celestar> MeusH: because we're talking 0.4.8 here 07:43:45 <peter1138> which bugs are left? 07:44:04 <MeusH> oh, okay 07:44:24 <peter1138> if it works as it does in 0.4.7, then i don't see any problem with it 07:44:41 <peter1138> it's not ideal 07:44:43 <peter1138> obviously 07:44:47 <Celestar> peter1138: http://bugs.openttd.org/index.php?tasks=&project=1&string=&type=&sev=&due=14&dev=&cat=&status=&date=0 <= those :) 07:44:50 <peter1138> that's why we have NPF and YAPF in the first place 07:45:24 <Celestar> peter1138: I kind of agree 07:45:26 <peter1138> Celestar: so the only NTP "bug" is the randomness? 07:45:32 <peter1138> that has always been there... 07:45:34 <Celestar> and the train reversal ... 07:45:42 <Celestar> which is related 07:45:48 <peter1138> not really 07:45:53 <Celestar> it is 07:46:08 <Celestar> it both has to do with the fact that NTP doesn't find the shortest path when there are no junctions 07:46:10 <peter1138> that's a waypoint issue, as it affects all pathfinders 07:46:26 <Celestar> EGRAMMAR 07:46:47 <peter1138> rather than just one specific pathfinder :P 07:47:20 <Celestar> peter1138: there are two issues with the train reversal 07:47:28 *** robobed is now known as roboman 07:47:38 <roboman> gevening 07:47:59 <Celestar> peter1138: one is the fact that the correct path isn't found by NTP 07:48:12 <Celestar> peter1138: the other one is the fact that trains can reverse at waypoints 07:48:25 <MeusH> hey roboman 07:48:30 <Celestar> peter1138: however, the latter is intended 07:48:47 <Celestar> peter1138: (see train_cmd.c:2472) 07:48:57 <Celestar> s/72/27/ 07:49:23 <peter1138> bzzzt 07:50:01 <peter1138> you've misinterpreted that code ;) 07:50:09 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/waypoint.diff 07:50:11 <Celestar> I have? 07:50:32 <Celestar> uh huh :) 07:50:32 <peter1138> yes 07:50:41 <peter1138> that is for finding the next destination 07:51:04 <Celestar> peter1138: the thing is, trains can reverse EVERYWHERE (currently) 07:51:20 <peter1138> so? 07:51:43 <peter1138> (depending on that turn around difficulty option) 07:52:40 <peter1138> [i've not tested that diff, and i've got to go to work :(] 07:52:42 <Celestar> afaik when you press "Goto Depot", a train can reverse, can it not? 07:52:47 <peter1138> yes 07:52:55 <peter1138> but that's different 07:53:05 <peter1138> that's because you've pressed the goto depot button 07:53:10 <peter1138> trains *don't* just randomly turn around 07:53:50 <peter1138> the bit that reverses that is explicitly in the send to depot command 07:54:15 <Celestar> yes 07:54:28 <Celestar> peter1138: tell Darkvater to test that diff, I'm at work as well, and rather busy today 07:54:37 <peter1138> basically that diff should make it so that trains never turn around at a waypoint, which is the desired result 07:54:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B76A8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:54:52 <peter1138> (even if the route it screwey, you put that waypoint there for a reason...) 07:55:11 <Celestar> beauty :) 07:55:19 * peter1138 > gone 07:59:20 *** rain```` [i=rain@24-183-26-9.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has quit [] 08:00:40 <Celestar> GAAAAAAH 08:00:48 <Celestar> Illustrator is a horrible tool 08:03:30 * Celestar reverts to inkscape 08:04:54 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B76BB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:06:20 *** Eddi|zuHause3 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 08:09:38 * peter1138 > here 08:12:23 * roboman homework 08:21:24 *** MeusH is now known as MeusH[away] 08:22:16 * Celestar detonates 08:22:27 <Celestar> how to I draw a friggen arrow in Illustrator 08:24:02 <peter1138> <-- 08:24:34 * roboman dinner 08:25:48 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E9D5.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 08:31:05 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #openttd 08:36:58 *** DjViper- [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 08:38:25 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 08:38:48 *** DjViper- is now known as DjViper 08:39:03 <MeusH[away]> lol 08:39:12 <MeusH[away]> I've got so long headphone cables 08:39:31 <MeusH[away]> I walk across my home with my headphones 08:39:42 <MeusH[away]> it's like 12 meters long 08:41:17 <peter1138> said the actress to the bishop 08:42:15 *** hylje [i=hylje@a84-230-90-195.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:42:33 *** hylje [i=hylje@a84-230-90-195.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:45:23 <peter1138> Celestar: that patch appears to work 08:45:45 <peter1138> set up a quick test, haven't used an actual game 08:47:43 <peter1138> however, i can improve it somewhat 08:48:22 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 08:51:44 *** Trenskow^ [n=outlet@80.251.195.31] has joined #openttd 08:53:34 <Celestar> peter1138: ok I'll wait for your improvements 08:54:34 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 08:54:42 *** KUDr_wrk [n=KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 08:54:56 *** ProfFrink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:55:58 *** Trenskow^ [n=outlet@80.251.195.31] has quit [Client Quit] 09:01:52 <KUDr_wrk> [09:14:15] <Celestar> KUDr: ping me when you got a minute <-- ping 09:01:53 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:05:19 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:07:35 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 09:09:29 <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: you got a minute? 09:09:40 <KUDr_wrk> hope so 09:09:55 <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: did you read our yapf "feature request" yesterday? 09:10:05 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 09:10:49 <KUDr_wrk> no 09:10:52 <KUDr_wrk> where 09:11:26 <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: I was think that YAPF could (optionally) select the correct platform on a station depending on train and platform length (as short as possible, as long as needed) Is that possible? 09:11:42 <KUDr_wrk> aha 09:11:50 <KUDr_wrk> yes i noted it yesterday 09:11:58 <KUDr_wrk> could be possible hopefully 09:12:16 <KUDr_wrk> is there some API for platform length? 09:12:20 <Celestar> yes 09:13:12 <Celestar> I remember there was something 09:13:47 <Celestar> hm 09:14:00 *** orudge [n=orudge@host81-157-18-207.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:14:03 <Celestar> uint GetStationPlatforms(const Station *st, TileIndex tile) <= that's the number of platforms .. 09:14:12 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498EBB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:15:04 <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: let me look a bit more 09:15:32 <KUDr_wrk> ok, if you can help me with it i would appreciate it 09:15:50 <Celestar> I can code the API GetPlatformLength(TileIndex tile) 09:15:57 <KUDr_wrk> wow! 09:16:04 <KUDr_wrk> would help 09:16:38 <Celestar> but I have used it somewhere for station slowing ... 09:16:51 <KUDr_wrk> do it the same as tunnels or your bridges 09:17:08 <Celestar> no 09:17:09 <KUDr_wrk> the other end and length 09:17:11 <Celestar> it's inlined :S 09:17:14 <KUDr_wrk> no? 09:17:17 <KUDr_wrk> ah 09:17:23 <Celestar> train_cmd.c:337 09:18:04 <Celestar> you want an own api for that or is that enough? :) 09:18:08 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 09:18:31 <KUDr_wrk> i must look - it takes me time.... 09:18:38 <Celestar> 4 lines 09:18:42 <Celestar> I'll make some API wait 09:19:23 <KUDr_wrk> hmm line 337 is blank 09:19:30 <Celestar> wait ... 09:19:31 <KUDr_wrk> probably update needed 09:20:15 <KUDr_wrk> int delta_v; 09:21:19 *** CmdKewin [n=cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has joined #openTTD 09:23:10 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Success] 09:23:10 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 09:25:26 <peter1138> 220 smtp1.mail.bucks.net ESMTP BNS Outgoing Service 09:25:26 <peter1138> ^] 09:25:28 <peter1138> err 09:25:50 <peter1138> btw 09:25:56 <peter1138> "an own" makes no sense to english speakers 09:26:05 <peter1138> it would be "your own" or "our own" 09:26:45 <MeusH[away]> cya 09:26:49 *** MeusH[away] [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Goodbye"] 09:27:20 <peter1138> Celestar: http://fuzzle.org/o/waypoint2.diff 09:31:33 <Celestar> peter1138: will check later 09:35:14 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.166.154] has joined #openttd 09:35:15 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:36:44 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-4d8571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:38:46 <peter1138> Celestar: maybe i should post it to fs ;) 09:40:38 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a46ada.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:40:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 09:40:44 <Celestar> peter1138: maybe :) 09:40:47 <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: there you go. 09:40:49 <Bjarni> hi Celestar 09:40:52 <Bjarni> hi peter1138 09:40:56 <peter1138> hello 09:41:09 <Bjarni> hi people 09:41:21 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 09:41:23 <Bjarni> so, anything interesting going on? 09:41:27 <KUDr_wrk> Celestar: here 09:41:28 <Bjarni> hi RichK67 09:41:35 <RichK67> hi all 09:41:39 <CIA-3> celestar * r5063 /trunk/ (station.h station_cmd.c train_cmd.c): -Codechange: Add a function to determine the length of a platform (request by KUDr) 09:41:48 <Bjarni> RichK67: how is the airport thing coming along? 09:41:51 <Celestar> hi Bjarni you have a bug report open for 0.4.8 09:41:54 <peter1138> Bjarni: yes, test my patch at http://bugs.openttd.org/task/184 09:41:56 <KUDr_wrk> Celestar: thanks 09:42:14 <Celestar> RichK67 have you "synced" your 4 airports with Darkvater'S requests? 09:42:24 <RichK67> i reckon New Airports is 90%+ ready, just need some feedback/direction on a new gui 09:42:45 <RichK67> Celestar: all done/argued out of ;) except for gui 09:42:54 <Celestar> what GUI? 09:42:54 <peter1138> Celestar: DEBUG(misc, 0) ? 09:43:02 <Celestar> peter1138: DA;MOT 09:43:05 <Celestar> DAMNIT 09:43:30 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.166.154] has quit ["ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net"] 09:43:37 <Bjarni> <Celestar> hi Bjarni you have a bug report open for 0.4.8 <-- I know, but I'm waiting on Darkvater to be convinced that solution 3 is the right one. I think he called it stupid or something like that 09:43:39 <RichK67> DV not happy with gui for it - wants something different, but not really specified it a lot. 09:43:42 <CIA-3> celestar * r5064 /trunk/train_cmd.c: -Fix: Remove stay debug stuff from lat commit. (thanks peter1138) 09:43:57 <Celestar> RichK67: I've so neatly arranged the airport types into sections ... 09:43:59 <Celestar> peter1138: better? ;) 09:44:01 <peter1138> :) 09:44:09 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.166.154] has joined #openttd 09:44:14 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:44:28 <RichK67> celestar: into sections?? 09:44:42 <Celestar> RichK67: yes .... 09:45:10 <peter1138> do for airports what was done for stations? 09:45:21 <peter1138> (although, that was done because the spec specified classes) 09:46:31 <Celestar> I had something better 09:46:40 <Vornicus> Bjarni: what's the bug report? 09:48:24 <peter1138> Celestar: show us 09:49:00 <Celestar> peter1138: yes 09:49:05 <Celestar> standby, upping diff 09:49:37 <Bjarni> Vornicus: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/186 <-- it's about a train dropping all the wagons when autoreplacing 09:50:18 <Celestar> SUCKS 09:50:26 <Celestar> ksnapshot can't snapshot SDL windows ? :o 09:50:28 <Trenskow> What is the timescope for turning tunnels? 09:50:39 <Trenskow> and what are the difficulties involved? 09:50:53 <Bjarni> Trenskow: I don't think it will be coded this year 09:51:11 <Vornicus> Trenskow: that involves 1. rewriting the map array, 2. writing UI code, 3. figuring out how to balance it. 09:51:25 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-212-50-170-202.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:52:07 <Trenskow> Vornicus, I was just thinking. wasn't it easier to just make it simple. like selecting tunnel input til and tunnel output tile, and then just create a tunnel between those two. 09:52:08 <Bjarni> Vornicus: basically it's about max train length. This guy disabled mammoth trains, so it got a max length of 9. He then made a train with one engine and 8 wagons (that is max length) and then autoreplaced to a dualheaded engine. That made the train 10 units long = too long and moving the wagons to the new engine fails 09:52:51 <Celestar> RichK67: peter1138 Darkvater RFC: http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/airport.png 09:53:05 <Sacro> morning all 09:53:13 <Celestar> Vornicus: I think not that it involves rewriting the map array. 09:53:32 *** orudge [n=orudge@host81-157-18-207.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:53:33 <Vornicus> So what's your solution, and why does DV think it sucks? 09:53:48 <Celestar> simple 09:53:49 <peter1138> Celestar: if that can be done dynamically... 09:54:07 <Sacro> Celestar: well i like it 09:54:16 <Xaroth> Celestar: I like the window design 09:54:19 <Vornicus> Celestar: it probably does, really - in the end you need to think about 16 layers of road or rail. 09:54:20 <Xaroth> grouped buttons = good 09:54:24 <Celestar> peter1138: store offsets in the map array. 09:54:36 <Celestar> Sacro: Xaroth: thanks. 09:54:37 <peter1138> ? 09:54:44 <peter1138> Celestar: i meant the airport giu 09:54:46 <Xaroth> but maybe increase the spacing between last button and next label a pixel or 2 :o 09:54:46 <peter1138> gui 09:54:48 <Celestar> peter1138: oh :) 09:54:56 <Xaroth> to give the 'seperated' feeling 09:54:56 <Celestar> I thought about tunnels 09:55:00 <Xaroth> other than that, perfect :) 09:55:05 *** RichK67_ [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 09:55:10 <Celestar> Xaroth: that is not that much effort :) 09:55:16 <Xaroth> true 09:55:18 <Celestar> RichK67: http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/airport.png 09:55:44 <Sacro> i'd move coverage area and buttons down 2 pixels, and the accepts down another 2 09:55:48 <RichK67_> [10.48] peter1138: i guess so, but at the moment it would be fixed lists, not dynamic 09:56:41 <RichK67_> Celestar: I like it; got the diff? 09:56:57 <ln-> os x wannabe theme 09:57:01 <RichK67_> sacro: agree with you 09:57:32 <peter1138> (is it wide enough for non-english text?) 09:57:51 <RichK67_> [btw I hate my work connection - keeps dropping me from the internet] :( (even in firefox) 09:58:08 <Eddi|zuHause> there needs do be some consistency in adding "airport" to all the names, or none 09:58:34 <Xaroth> or 'removing'all 'airport'from the names 09:58:52 <peter1138> i say remove it 09:58:57 <Xaroth> since there's only 2 who have 'airport' in their name 09:58:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i agree 09:59:15 <Xaroth> (plus you might be able to make the window a tiny bit smaller) 09:59:20 <Eddi|zuHause> none is the better option... 09:59:39 <Xaroth> I'll go photoshop it :P 09:59:57 <Celestar> Xaroth: Sacro http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/airport2.png <= better? 10:00:18 <Xaroth> yarrrr 10:00:19 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/air3.diff <= RichK67_ there 10:00:43 <RichK67_> oh yeah, one question; when you create a heliport, the default name it tries is <townname> Heliport.... however, helidepots and helistations are also <townname> Heliport.... should it be Helistation/Helidepot? 10:00:54 <Celestar> nah 10:01:00 <Celestar> passengers don't care 10:01:09 <RichK67_> okies 10:01:16 <Celestar> we call all the other things "airports" as well 10:01:55 <RichK67_> if the name <townname> Heliport has already gone, should it try <townname> <alternative> Heliport.... eg. Dunbury Woods Heliport 10:02:00 <Celestar> now what about bridges? we solve the bb issues before or after merging. 10:02:12 <Celestar> RichK67_: possibly, but that's for later methinks 10:02:21 <RichK67_> btw i missed the answer; district out? 10:02:31 <Celestar> yes :) 10:02:34 <Celestar> but the time being 10:02:37 <Celestar> for* 10:02:49 <Celestar> but I'm open to more layouts actally for later on 10:03:02 <Celestar> just something with fewer "aircraft flies through building" stuff :P 10:03:06 <RichK67_> ok, should i retain the extra graphics in airports.grf ... its only the district that uses more than the tarmac 10:03:23 <Celestar> don't care about that one honestly 10:03:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i think instead of adding another dozen layouts, we should aim for dynamic layouts 10:03:25 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:03:39 <RichK67_> Celestar: just something with fewer "aircraft flies through building" stuff :P huh??? 10:04:01 <Celestar> RichK67_: I wouldn'T wanna be a pilot on the district ones :P 10:04:27 <RichK67_> ah - ok.... "lets just hope the brakes work" airport ;) 10:04:38 <Celestar> that's default on any airport :) 10:04:52 <Celestar> no brakes => trouble :P 10:05:10 <RichK67_> ok - ill add that diff, and i think New Airports will be trunk-ready tonite 10:05:16 <Eddi|zuHause> that reminds me of that JAG episode 10:05:19 *** orudge [n=orudge@host81-157-18-207.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:05:45 <Celestar> RichK67_: see if you've done additional stuff (because my diff is rather old) 10:05:50 <Sacro> ng 10:06:22 <RichK67_> ill manually apply the gui from the diff (and the English.txt changes) 10:06:30 <RichK67_> rest is more up-to-date 10:06:36 <Eddi|zuHause> where they tried to land a C131 on a aircraft carrier (?) 10:07:03 <Xaroth> http://www.shamanserv.nl/img/airport_photoshop.png 10:07:05 <Xaroth> (i think) 10:07:10 <RichK67_> then ill create a build without District, and send to DV for checking 10:07:13 <Xaroth> would that be possible, Celestar? 10:07:14 <Eddi|zuHause> and they were like "we have break problems, go on full speed against the wind" 10:07:41 <Eddi|zuHause> "we land with reverse throttle" 10:07:52 <Celestar> Xaroth: you mean the divisors? 10:07:57 * Xaroth nods 10:08:03 <Celestar> lets see 10:08:19 <Bjarni> <Vornicus> So what's your solution, and why does DV think it sucks? <-- because max train length should be the number of units (except articulated engines only count as one, so tenders and stuff like that don't count) 10:08:30 <Xaroth> Took the liberty to 'center' the cover area thingie since it doesn't look pwetty when in a corner when it's divided 10:09:05 <Bjarni> that max train length was added before trains was a linked list, so it made sense to control a max length to reserve, but not really anymore 10:10:54 <Eddi|zuHause> max train length should be a gameplay motivated setting, not a technically motivated setting 10:11:06 <Eddi|zuHause> it should be number of (half)tiles 10:11:09 <Eddi|zuHause> and variable 10:11:33 <Vornicus> really it should depend on the length of your longest station, or some such madness 10:11:35 <Xaroth> or limit it to the max station size * 2? :o 10:11:41 <Celestar> RichK67_: http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/air3.diff <= new diff 10:11:42 <Xaroth> for multiplayer 10:12:30 <Celestar> Xaroth: http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/airport3.png <= better? 10:13:20 <RichK67_> i like it more :) 10:13:44 <Eddi|zuHause> looks great ;) 10:13:56 <Celestar> Darkvater: any more requests? 10:13:59 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:14:37 <Celestar> peter1138: where was that waypoint diff? 10:17:25 <Eddi|zuHause> [01.06. 11:29] <peter1138> Celestar: http://fuzzle.org/o/waypoint2.diff <- that? 10:17:25 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 10:17:46 <Eddi|zuHause> gah... mIRC is stupid ;p 10:18:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it does not find words when it inserted a linebreak... 10:18:24 <Celestar> peter1138: there's something weird with that diff ... 10:18:42 <peter1138> Bjarni: i think tenders not counting makes sense. dunno about dual head engines 10:20:07 <Trenskow> I actually have a suggestion: is it possible to make autosignals on train splits 10:20:35 <Trenskow> if i have a tile where a track splits in two, then there will be signals on that tile on each end automaticly? 10:20:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i imagine that to be impossible 10:20:58 <Eddi|zuHause> you cannot determin what the user is thinking 10:21:01 <Eddi|zuHause> +e 10:21:16 * Celestar agreed 10:21:18 <Celestar> *s 10:21:32 <Trenskow> no.. but you could make the signals by clicking ex. ctrl on creation, and then use the signal tool to modify the signals 10:21:36 <Trenskow> eg direction and type 10:21:44 <Celestar> I'd like to have autorail automagically place signals 10:21:53 <Celestar> where drag-direction is train-direction 10:22:12 <Trenskow> Celestar, that would be nice to 10:22:46 <Trenskow> maybe a comboclick combination.... like you select autorail AND signal tool in the tools window at once 10:22:58 <Eddi|zuHause> but how do you handle the signal distance then? 10:23:04 <Celestar> when you hold down CTRL during drag 10:23:10 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: we already have such a setting ... 10:23:13 <Celestar> signal_drag_distance 10:23:16 <Trenskow> like multiselect in combobox (html, ui) 10:23:19 <Eddi|zuHause> especially when you make a curve 10:23:28 <Celestar> you can't drag a curve 10:23:30 <Eddi|zuHause> you have to build it in 2 steps 10:23:56 <Eddi|zuHause> so if you always place a signal at the start and end of the line, you get a double signal in the curve 10:24:22 <Celestar> well, SOME user intervention is required 10:24:41 <Eddi|zuHause> or you make it like with the pylons... basically: (x+y) mod (signal distance) == 0 10:25:08 <Eddi|zuHause> or something like that 10:25:54 <Trenskow> Celestar, another sugestion... make it look for ~/.openttd.cfg before it looks for ./openttd.cfg 10:26:14 <Eddi|zuHause> then the user has to manually place the left out signals at the beginning and end of track 10:26:15 <Trenskow> I could implement that myself 10:26:36 <peter1138> Celestar: i wish i could place signals where trains are... 10:26:42 <peter1138> especially with dragging them 10:27:05 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, also upgrade to elrail 10:27:25 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause: that one's easy to fix... 10:27:31 <peter1138> (just remove one check) 10:27:33 <Eddi|zuHause> or place parallel track on tile 10:27:39 <peter1138> yes 10:27:45 <peter1138> (and signals on same) 10:27:57 <Eddi|zuHause> this is always sooo annoying 10:28:16 <peter1138> someone should make a note on fs as feature requests, else we'll forget 10:30:40 <Sacro> peter1138: but what if a non-dev codes them, then they dont get implemented 10:31:42 <peter1138> oh quit with the bullshit 10:36:03 *** RichK67_ [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:37:33 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176113123.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:38:04 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:39:30 <Celestar> bah 10:39:34 <Celestar> stupid stupid matlab 10:39:46 <Celestar> maybe it should set window size <= desktop size :S 10:40:31 <Trenskow> But I have to say one thing... Great work guys. I love the game, and it's already way better then the original ttd :D 10:41:20 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 10:42:09 <RichK67> back - but not sure for how long (damn connection) 10:42:37 <Celestar> thanks Trenskow 10:42:39 <Celestar> hm 10:42:41 <Celestar> wmaker rocks 10:43:17 <RichK67> celestar: were there any more comments on New Airports after my last disconnect? 10:44:17 <Sacro> RichK67: nah, just Celestar hating matlab and Trenskow loving OpenTTD 10:45:03 *** Trenskow is now known as Trenskow^away 10:45:04 <Celestar> lol 10:45:17 <Trenskow^away> cya 10:45:21 <peter1138> and me idly scoffing choclate bars :/ 10:45:48 <Sacro> peter1138: mmm, quite fancy some chocolate now...where did i put that bag of malteasers 10:46:35 <Celestar> er how do I close an applet in wmaker :P 10:46:38 <RichK67> hmm... i was naughty yesterday - forgot my diabetes tablets, and then ate 3 choc cup-cakes... unsuprisingly I had a high sugar level this morning ;) 10:46:55 <hylje> :p 10:46:56 <Sacro> RichK67: hehe, you should be more careful 10:47:20 <Celestar> :P 10:47:22 <RichK67> lol :) 10:47:40 <Bjarni> RichK67: sounds like you tried to commit suicide or something like that 10:48:03 <Bjarni> you know, it you might pay for this later 10:48:04 <Celestar> back later 10:48:05 <Sacro> Bjarni: one of the more bizarre ways to do it i suppose, not one i'd thought of 10:48:06 <Celestar> food tile 10:48:28 <Bjarni> Sacro: maybe should want to get diabetes, so you can do it? 10:48:50 <Sacro> Bjarni: i could just take the rest of my antidepressants, happy myself to death 10:49:08 <Bjarni> hmm 10:49:44 <Bjarni> recent research indicates that such medicine is worthless on a lot of people, so giving depressed people something like that might not be a great idea 10:50:16 <Sacro> it has been known to increase suicidal thoughts 10:50:52 <Bjarni> that's my point 10:51:21 <RichK67> ah - a bit like updating the (old) MiniIN and finding 50+ conflicted files ;) 10:54:58 <Celestar> back 10:55:30 <Celestar> RichK67: I guess you'll have some conflicts once we merge bridges :) 10:56:07 <Sacro> hehe, whens bridges coming? 10:56:47 * Vornicus ponders things 10:56:51 <Celestar> as soon as peter1138 and Darkvater have expressed their opinion on when (and how) to solve the graphical glitches 10:57:27 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:57:34 <RichK67> possibly, but the new MiniIN branch has made conflicts much less frequent, so the bridges may apply quite well (i hope) 10:59:00 <Brianetta> Show-off (: 11:00:22 <RichK67> the new MiniIN branch has less conflicts, because it currently has a LOT less patches ;) 11:01:46 <Celestar> lol 11:02:04 <Sacro> RichK67: thats cheating :P 11:02:33 <Brianetta> What's the purpose of the Minty? 11:02:48 <Celestar> of the WHAT? 11:03:23 <Vornicus> mmm, minty. 11:05:00 <RichK67> purpose? to provide a variety of user patches integrated with the latest nightly... a taster and testbed for new features 11:05:05 <Brianetta> Mini INTegrated nightlY 11:05:29 <Brianetta> Is it a good testbed, and is it really a taster of new features? 11:05:30 <RichK67> hmmm.... Mintegration :) 11:06:00 <Brianetta> There's no certainty that te Minty's new features will make it to the trunk 11:06:33 <Celestar> so will 11:06:36 <Celestar> some will 11:06:37 <Celestar> other'S wont 11:06:51 <Celestar> and user feedback on the smooth economy patch? 11:07:18 <RichK67> no, but without a period of decent testing a patch definitely wont make it 11:07:25 <Celestar> true 11:08:24 <Brianetta> We need newstations for bus stations 11:08:49 <Brianetta> Just a set of utterly cosmetic eyecandies for them (: 11:09:15 <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: peter1138 did you happen to have a chance to look at the bridge problems? 11:09:18 <RichK67> at least the MiniIN shows that a patch can be applied and committed ok; its then easier to make other decisions; does it work, are most bugs killed, is it wanted, etc... usually a patch stumbles first on the "its not current" problem 11:09:31 <KUDr_wrk> bridge problems? 11:09:43 <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: I dunno, possibly a sprite sorter problem :( 11:09:54 * Sacro considers reading the economy patch, and redoing a daylength patch 11:10:18 <KUDr_wrk> you mean drawing? 11:10:24 <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: yes 11:10:24 <KUDr_wrk> clipping cars? 11:10:25 <Celestar> I do 11:10:27 <KUDr_wrk> yes 11:10:35 <Celestar> yes what? ;) 11:10:35 <KUDr_wrk> hmm, look so 11:10:50 <Xaroth> Sacro: Make it so that you can slow down time as well :P 11:11:00 <Celestar> xrd 11:11:02 <Celestar> yes* 11:11:08 <Sacro> Xaroth: only works in OpenTTD 11:11:16 <KUDr_wrk> but i would f**k that and let it for the 3D graphics to handle that properly 11:11:21 <Xaroth> Sacro: Thats what i meant :P 11:11:52 <Sacro> Xaroth: it doesnt slow down time, it just adds a multiplier to the startnewday() function 11:11:52 <Sacro> or whatever its called 11:12:08 <Xaroth> yar, make it be able to slow down as well xD 11:12:28 <Sacro> make vehicles move slower? 11:12:33 <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: we haven't any plans for 3D at the moment? at least no one's working on it. 11:12:34 <Xaroth> make time go slower 11:12:39 <Celestar> make time adjustable 11:12:42 <Celestar> (but that's rather easy) 11:12:52 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.1/2006040505]"] 11:13:01 <Sacro> Celestar: yes, but you end up killing the economy 11:13:10 <KUDr_wrk> Celestar: i know, but it is easiest solution to postpone it indefinitelly 11:13:32 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 11:13:35 <Brianetta> If you were the Communist Party of the People's Republic of China, how would you allow an opposition party to start up (so that you can call yourselves democratic) whilst still safely assuring yourselves of a 95%+ vote? 11:13:43 <Brianetta> Simple 11:13:49 <Brianetta> http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2006-05/31/content_604718.htm 11:14:21 <Brianetta> OK, so it's not a party in China 11:14:25 <Brianetta> but still 11:14:27 <Brianetta> it's funny 11:14:30 <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: the drawing problems with elrails are significant 11:14:48 <KUDr_wrk> hmm 11:15:31 <KUDr_wrk> so somebody who knows how sprites work can solve it as separate task/bug 11:15:31 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:15:41 <Celestar> ok 11:15:54 <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: that still leaves peter1138's and Darkvater's opinion open .... 11:15:58 <KUDr_wrk> it doesn't prevent anybody from using it 11:16:03 <Celestar> true 11:16:08 <peter1138> yeah 11:16:13 <peter1138> we can sort it later, imho 11:16:16 <KUDr_wrk> ok fine, it was my opinion only 11:16:16 <RichK67> LOL "Other politicians only talk about us in a negative sense, as if we were criminals" ... maybe because you are ;) 11:16:17 <Celestar> peter1138: so that'S a "go" from you? 11:16:40 <peter1138> i know that my old-newbridge plan avoids that anyway 11:17:03 <Brianetta> This might even be considered slightly on-topic (: 11:17:03 <Brianetta> http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/photo/2006-05/31/content_605005.htm 11:24:09 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E9D5.pool.t-online.hu] has quit ["Leaving."] 11:34:09 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [i=johekr@p54B77725.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:48 *** orudge [n=orudge@host81-157-18-207.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:38:05 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B81065.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:40:17 *** ledow [n=ledow@jaimejwalker.plus.com] has joined #openttd 11:40:58 <RichK67> celestar: ping 11:41:47 <RichK67> about the airport patch; is it ok to leave the District code in the patch, but commented out? otherwise I will have to maintain two versions - one with and one without :( 11:49:23 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B81167.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:51:16 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 11:52:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B76F3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:59:50 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["And he disappears, like a fox, in the night."] 12:00:02 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.1/2006040505]"] 12:02:59 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:07:03 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 12:19:41 *** CrazyGoogle_ [n=SchAmane@proxy.informatik.fh-muenchen.de] has joined #openttd 12:24:22 * roboman goes to bed 12:25:06 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:25:28 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #openttd 12:33:21 <Brianetta> Why is district being removed? 12:33:49 <valhallasw> :? 12:38:16 <Trenskow^away> VERSION 12:38:25 <Trenskow^away> oops sooryy.. wrong window 12:39:44 <hylje> irssi 12:40:24 <Trenskow^away> well i did a msg, and not a ctcp which was also wrong :) 12:40:38 *** CrazyGoogle_ [n=SchAmane@proxy.informatik.fh-muenchen.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:47:31 <Celestar> back 12:47:49 <Celestar> RichK67: I'd suggest that you discuss that with darkvater 12:47:49 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:51:26 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has joined #openttd 12:51:28 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Bye all."] 12:52:28 *** Belugas_Wakes is now known as Belugas 12:52:42 <Belugas> morning 12:52:54 <Celestar> hi Belugas 12:53:43 <Belugas> How's life Celestar? 12:54:08 <Celestar> not bad 12:54:15 <Celestar> I'm just trying to teach a server to boot from CD 12:54:21 <Celestar> currently 12:54:25 <Celestar> server 4:0 me 12:54:28 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-212-50-170-202.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 12:56:05 <Belugas> hehehe 12:56:17 <Belugas> ego -4 :) 12:57:11 <hylje> :o 12:59:52 <Belugas> O: 12:59:53 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:01:30 *** Smoky555 [i=2h8983yf@sagitta.internal.vlink.ru] has left #openttd [] 13:01:54 <Celestar> server 5:0 me 13:01:54 <RichK67> grrr.... Proudmoore's comment in the OpenTTD Spinoff thread.... Although i know little about it - the answer will be "when it's ready". Since none of the developers are developing this professionally or commercially, it has no timetable. It's supposed to be in 0.6.0. 13:01:54 <RichK67> 13:01:54 <RichK67> Don't hold your breath - it'll almost certainly be a long wait.... 13:02:14 <Celestar> RichK67: what is he talking about? 13:02:52 <RichK67> new map array 13:03:12 <RichK67> my reply ;) "When you start paying the dev team some wages, we'll start being "professional" to your standard... until then, whistle." 13:03:26 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has joined #openttd 13:03:57 <Celestar> lol 13:03:58 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has quit [Client Quit] 13:04:08 <Celestar> Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarkvater Darkvater 13:06:17 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACD6D423.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 13:06:54 *** rain```` [i=rain@24-183-26-9.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 13:08:10 <Belugas> well... some devs are been paid while doing ottd stuff 13:08:26 <Belugas> but I think it is not worth mentionning it ;) 13:09:26 <peter1138> in my lunch break 13:09:27 <peter1138> i was 13:09:30 <peter1138> updating newsounds 13:09:37 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 13:09:46 <peter1138> but don't tell that janet fellow 13:10:05 <Celestar> YAy 13:10:08 <Celestar> server 5:1 me 13:12:39 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:13:32 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #openttd 13:14:18 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:16:02 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has joined #openttd 13:16:07 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:16:29 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-3106.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 13:18:25 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 13:20:11 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:20:36 <Belugas> ego +10 13:20:39 <Belugas> congrats! 13:20:56 <Celestar> me is booting ubuntu on Sparc 13:21:49 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has joined #openttd 13:22:17 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:22:33 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176106130.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:22:55 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has joined #openttd 13:24:09 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.1/2006040505]"] 13:26:09 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:26:53 <Celestar> stupid installer bugs me with keyboard layouts 13:27:23 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:28:24 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1480.lns6-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.0 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 13:30:20 <Brianetta> Sparc++ 13:30:44 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has joined #openttd 13:30:46 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1480.lns6-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:32:26 *** Mucht|zZz [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 13:32:39 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1480.lns6-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 13:33:17 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1480.lns6-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:37:44 *** gathers [n=gathers@c-0545e255.434-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 13:37:50 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176113123.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:38:08 <RichK67> back later 13:38:10 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 13:41:10 <Celestar> ok 13:41:25 * Celestar is seeding Ubuntu 6.0.6 13:41:53 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, that case is closed. My new codename is Wilma. 13:42:57 <peter1138> oh 13:43:21 * XeryusTC thinks of Fred :) 13:43:52 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["kthxbye"] 13:43:54 <Celestar> can't I tell the installer that do NOT want to create a user? :S 13:44:44 <gathers> then who will you log in as? ;) 13:44:57 <hylje> http://toothpastefordinner.com/043006/how-eclipses-are-made.gif 13:44:58 <peter1138> you need one 13:45:04 <peter1138> to set the root password 13:45:18 <Celestar> gathers: using NIS 13:45:40 <XeryusTC> hylje: nice drawing, made it yourself? :P 13:45:44 <hylje> no 13:46:36 <XeryusTC> woow, i just compiled r2514 :) 13:46:38 <hylje> http://toothpastefordinner.com/042106/checkerboard.gif 13:46:48 <peter1138> r2514? why? 13:47:17 <gathers> Celestar: just create user "openttd" and configure it to automatically login and start openttd.. I'm not sure why you'd need NIS? :D 13:47:26 <Celestar> gathers: :P 13:47:32 <Celestar> because I'm setting up a file server? 13:48:18 <gathers> won't that reduce your fps? 13:49:06 <Celestar> lol 13:49:06 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-4d8571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 13:49:10 <Celestar> I'm uploading at 2.5MB/sec 13:49:30 <XeryusTC> peter1138: because i wanted to update a patch 13:49:38 <XeryusTC> but when i applied it didnt compile 13:49:51 <XeryusTC> so i tried to do an empty one and that worked :) 13:50:07 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:50:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> a patch to r2514 is VERY likely to not apply properly :) 13:50:19 <XeryusTC> svn couldn't tell the difference between vehicle_gui.h and gui.h :s 13:51:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> "free train travel for all" <- HEY, let's vote for that party :p 13:52:00 <XeryusTC> it compiles now 13:52:29 <Celestar> hm .. 13:53:26 * XeryusTC updates to latest rev agian :) 13:54:21 <XeryusTC> lol 13:54:24 <XeryusTC> lots of conflicts 13:55:44 <peter1138> as if that's a surprise 13:56:51 <Celestar> Darkvater decided to disappear? 13:58:23 <Born_Acorn> I see him! He is behind the curtains! 13:58:29 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 14:00:27 * peter1138 compiles newsounds build 14:02:38 * Celestar throws a few daggers in the direction of the curtains 14:05:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> ouch... 14:05:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> (wait... i am not even anywhere near curtains ;)) 14:06:15 <Born_Acorn> yay peter1138. 14:06:46 <Born_Acorn> Unfortunately, #openttd is in a Curtain warehouse. 14:06:55 <Born_Acorn> it might be a while before Darkvater is found. 14:07:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> argh... i really hate these "damn, i wanted to do something, but i forgot, what" situations!! 14:07:56 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:10:33 <XeryusTC> i hate it to edit alot of files when your computer is running slow :( 14:11:04 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 14:11:20 <RichK67> hi all 14:11:46 <RichK67> Celestar ping 14:12:37 <Celestar> yes? 14:13:35 <RichK67> with new airports, removing district, can i keep district in the code, but commented out?? otherwise i will have to maintain 2 copies 14:14:22 <Belugas> suggestion RichK67 : keep district out, it will be a good test data when loading ariports with newgrf 14:14:28 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:14:34 <Belugas> that is my two cents idea 14:14:47 <RichK67> commented out, or cut out? 14:14:58 <RichK67> my pref is to comment 14:17:36 <Belugas> Mine is cut. I hate dead code 14:17:57 <Belugas> Personnal opinion only, open to discussion :) 14:18:06 <Born_Acorn> Which one is the district? 14:18:20 <RichK67> the two long-thin ones; 3x13 and 13x3 14:18:48 <Born_Acorn> ah yes. 14:19:42 <Celestar> RichK67: ask Darkvater :) 14:19:55 <RichK67> lol - great cop out ;) 14:20:29 <Celestar> I'm not a great friend of commented out code actually 14:21:48 <RichK67> okies - i can do; i will have a think about a redesign for that airport - i still want a long (9+) by thin (3) 14:23:42 <XeryusTC> RichK67: do you allow patches that are only kept up to date in the mini_in? 14:25:08 <Celestar> RichK67: one runway then :) 14:28:32 <RichK67> celestar: 2 runways, but a really long taxiway between the two 14:29:06 <RichK67> XeryusTC: once its in the MiniIN, it usually stays up-to-date anyway :) 14:29:12 <RichK67> which patch? 14:29:22 <XeryusTC> the statistics patch 14:29:36 <XeryusTC> gkirilov (or something) requested an update, so i'm updating :) 14:31:39 <RichK67> okies - if it works against trunk, it should be generally ok against MiniIN.... pm me with the patch so I dont forget about it 14:31:54 <XeryusTC> ok :) 14:35:19 *** Hendy is now known as Hendikins 14:35:36 *** Trenskow^away is now known as Trenskow 14:41:34 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:42:32 <XeryusTC> it looks like i updated succesfully 14:43:59 * peter1138 ponders allowing for an extra pixel in the depot window 14:44:37 <Belugas> just *one* pixel????? 14:44:42 <peter1138> yes 14:44:48 <XeryusTC> one pixel can make a big difference 14:46:33 * XeryusTC feels like he is promoting oneman.org 14:47:36 * peter1138 grabs the secret ukrs to test 14:47:42 <RichK67> xeryustc: is the data in the stats patch saved, or is it just from last load? 14:48:29 <XeryusTC> uhm, i think that it saves something in the savegame but i dont know for sure 14:49:30 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-4d8571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:51:30 <XeryusTC> hmm 14:51:45 <XeryusTC> it looks like this patch has also implemented some newgrf features 14:53:08 <Celestar> apt seems nice 14:59:43 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:02:06 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 15:02:13 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has left #openttd ["My BNC will keep you warm, vist #teamlag, #hexus.cs"] 15:03:52 <Xaroth> RichK67: a 9x4 has more potential :P 15:03:56 <Xaroth> 2 runways :P 15:04:38 *** dp__ [n=dp@p54B2FA37.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:06:00 *** argonel [i=argonel@konversation/developer/argonel] has joined #openttd 15:06:06 <RichK67> xaroth: there are plenty of x4 airport designs - but few x3. i think it would be good to have one x3. (my commuter is 5x4, and yet has better capacity/service times than the city airport) 15:06:36 <RichK67> xaroth: my plan for a new x3 is still 2 runways 15:06:40 <argonel> hiyas 15:06:53 <Xaroth> O_O how are you going to do that? :o 15:07:03 <peter1138> very long 15:07:14 <RichK67> with cunning and guile ;) 15:07:17 <Xaroth> heh 15:08:55 <argonel> captcha appears broken on the wiki 15:13:06 <RichK67> this could work as a 3x11: 15:13:16 <RichK67> RRRRRrtttttt 15:13:25 <RichK67> iiiiittTTTT 15:13:34 <RichK67> RRRRRoHBBBB 15:13:39 <RichK67> where R is a runway 15:13:43 *** ^Cartman [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-1815.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 15:13:57 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 15:14:11 <RichK67> r =radar, i=inway, o=outway, H=hangar, B=building, t=taxiway, T=terminal 15:14:21 <Xaroth> ah, small runways 15:15:12 <RichK67> for a longer runway, just add RiR at the left edge 15:15:59 <RichK67> the inway would be split into about 3 sectors to allow some inbound queuing 15:16:38 * peter1138 notes that RichK67 is probably the only person to know how the airports work... ;p 15:16:56 <Dred_furst> Hey 15:17:08 <Celestar> RichK67: suggestion ... 15:17:13 <RichK67> lol - not quite; DV is pretty good :) 15:17:18 <RichK67> yes? 15:17:21 <Celestar> RUNWAY 15:17:26 <Celestar> RUNWAY (Takeoff) 15:17:31 <Celestar> TERMINAL/HANGAR 15:18:10 <RichK67> minimum 4 width needd 15:19:15 <RichK67> runway-runway(to)-taxiway-terminals/buildings/hangars etc 15:20:05 <Celestar> hm 15:20:24 <RichK67> the x3 above has the aircraft land over the taxiway (with overshoots going out of the airport). takeoff on the bottom runway 15:20:25 <Celestar> landing_runway-taxiway-buildings+t/o runway 15:20:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> how about this one? 15:20:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> tttttiRRRRRR 15:20:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> TTTTtoRRRRRR 15:20:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> BBBBtHr 15:20:57 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-4d8571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 15:21:17 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2CC33.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:21:17 *** dp__ is now known as dp-- 15:21:24 <Celestar> RichK67: plus have an offset between runways :) 15:21:30 <Celestar> RichK67: how about a crossing-runway airport? :) 15:21:32 <RichK67> so landing & to in opposite directions? 15:21:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah 15:21:47 <argonel> is there somewhere i can send mail re the wiki? 15:21:53 <Celestar> RichK67: in 90° 15:21:53 <RichK67> celestar: np - code can handle it fine 15:21:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> usually, planes go where they came from anyway ;) 15:22:09 <Celestar> normally, landing and takeoff go in the same direction. against the wind 15:22:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... kay ;) 15:22:25 <Celestar> so > ========= > 15:22:35 <Celestar> anything else would be pretty braindead wouldn't it? ;) 15:22:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> but we do not have wind anyway ;) 15:23:00 <Celestar> > < =========== 15:23:02 * peter1138 farts on Eddi|zuHause3 15:23:05 <Celestar> (BOOOM) ========= 15:23:19 <RichK67> Concorde ;) 15:23:26 <Celestar> ;( 15:23:41 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 15:23:51 <RichK67> ah - sorry i thought you meant sonic boom 15:23:58 <Celestar> er noo :P 15:24:16 <RichK67> charles de galling 15:24:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> errr... what? 15:25:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> Charles de Gaulle was the guy's name ;) 15:25:16 <RichK67> so would you like a 8x8 with two diagonal (but parallel) runways? 15:25:27 <RichK67> yeah, but the crash was galling 15:25:34 <RichK67> it was a pun on the name 15:25:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> then i just do not know the meaning of galling ;) 15:26:21 <RichK67> sort of "unfortunate in an unpleasant way" 15:27:34 <Celestar> RichK67: that'd be kinda fun 15:27:51 <RichK67> Celestar - it would need a diagonal runway graphic 15:28:02 * Celestar points at gimp 15:28:10 <RichK67> but the aircraft can do it already, just there is no graphic support 15:28:17 <peter1138> can planes land diagonally? 15:28:22 <RichK67> yup 15:28:30 <RichK67> any of the 8 headings 15:28:31 <peter1138> hmm 15:28:45 <peter1138> sounds like ... i need to do newgrf airports 15:29:20 <RichK67> lol - hmmm... using Dalestan's definitions? 15:29:32 <peter1138> using something 15:30:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> dynamic airports need some kind of design restrictions... 15:30:51 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-3106.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:31:04 <Celestar> users will lock them up 15:31:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's not like train stations, where the only thing that matters is length of the platform 15:31:14 <Celestar> and send of bazillions of savegames to repair 15:31:34 <RichK67> yeah - the current state machines are hard enough! 15:31:42 <peter1138> well 15:31:54 <peter1138> it would still be fixed layouts 15:31:58 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has quit ["/quit"] 15:31:59 <peter1138> so no change there 15:32:24 <peter1138> getting the design right would be up to the author 15:32:24 <RichK67> peter: i agree we need to do it sometime, but personally i would stall at least until post-0.5.0 15:32:31 <peter1138> yes 15:32:45 <peter1138> i've got newsounds, 2cc, unicode/freetype and... other stuff to complete 15:33:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> trams/articulated road vehicles 15:33:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> ;) 15:33:21 <RichK67> yeah, ive got TGP, New Airports, Speed Signs, and im *seriously* thinking of doing newindustries 15:33:40 <peter1138> newindustries is already taken ;p 15:33:49 <RichK67> share? ;) 15:33:49 <Celestar> what about integrating TGP peter1138 ? 15:34:11 <RichK67> TGP not ready - ive some nasty bugs to find & kill 15:34:14 <peter1138> Celestar: sounds like a g... 15:34:27 <peter1138> ...ood idea when the bugs are fixed 15:34:33 <RichK67> lol 15:35:05 <RichK67> i need to sort out the guis too - im going to add an expanded interface for the ScenGen side 15:35:07 <Celestar> peter1138: ? 15:35:43 <peter1138> i'm for simplified guis, heh 15:35:48 <peter1138> < damn gnome user ;p 15:36:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> RichK67: did you sort out the "terraform for industry kills city" bug from months ago? 15:36:11 <RichK67> allow you to choose more options; like "generate with newgame options" (ie. plus towns, trees, industries, etc.) 15:36:19 <RichK67> nope - its on my list 15:37:35 <RichK67> i think solution to that one is to check it can terraform an extra tile all-round, then only terraform the middle 15:38:37 <RichK67> ie. check it can do -1 .. +1, then actually terraform 0..0 15:38:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... but shouldn't the "can terraform" test actually fail if there are buildings around? 15:39:09 <RichK67> yes, it should, but it was a weird one - it was a road tile 15:39:28 <RichK67> just happened to be the town centre tile! 15:39:41 <RichK67> ouch 15:40:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'm not sure i understand what you mean... 15:41:14 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has joined #openttd 15:41:22 <RichK67> if the town-centre road tile is lost, the town can never grow 15:41:41 <RichK67> it shouldnt have removed it, but it did 15:41:52 <Celestar> top - 17:41:47 up 2 days, 9:48, 1 user, load average: 4.89, 5.16, 4.05 15:41:59 <Celestar> I hate this friggen file server 15:42:11 <RichK67> of course, reproducing it is a nightmare 15:44:10 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-4d8571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:46:18 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-4d8571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 15:46:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> well... to reproduce, you just need to make the scenario editor behave like TGP when placing industries 15:47:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> we're still talking about this picture, right? http://users.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/tgp.png 15:47:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> it was more than just the town tile that has been cleared 15:48:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> it was an entire line of roads 15:48:23 *** ^Cartman [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-1815.bb.online.no] has quit ["Bunchie!"] 15:48:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> and who knows what has been beyond that road 15:48:57 <RichK67> if so, my proposed solution would work 15:56:52 *** Hallo [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has joined #openttd 16:08:43 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36BEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:18:00 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD57729D4.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:26:05 <Belugas> RichK67, PM 16:26:15 <RichK67> okies 16:26:41 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-4d8571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:29:55 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-4d8571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:31:49 *** CmdKewin [n=cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 16:39:10 <peter1138> hay guys 16:39:17 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-4d8571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:39:18 <peter1138> whose adding teh bool!!!1111!! 16:40:07 <glx> peter1138: you mean sizeof(bool) == 4? 16:40:13 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-4d8571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:40:28 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=450025#450025 16:42:10 <[Shaman]> lol 16:44:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> adding new road types (road/tram/both) should not be THAT hard? 16:45:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> i mean... copy-paste the railtypes stuff and rename everything to "road" ;) 16:46:56 <[Shaman]> lol 16:47:09 <peter1138> YEAH! 16:47:22 <peter1138> rename signals to traffic lights 16:47:29 <peter1138> and make everything one way country lanes 16:47:32 <peter1138> brillant idea 16:48:28 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause3: no, you must see it as having two types of rail on the same tile 16:49:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> Rubidium: no... 3 road types, and each vehicle has 2 compatible road types 16:49:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> like diesel trains have 2 compatible railtypes (conventional and electric) 16:50:00 <Rubidium> http://www.tt-forums.net/files/c_class_2_787.png <= then on the junction, there would be a branch for the tram too 16:50:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> so road vehicles get compatible "road+both" and trams get "tram+both" 16:50:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... ok... that could be a problem ;) 16:51:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> you could store road type for each of the 4 road bits ;) 16:51:19 <Rubidium> that is the easy part 16:51:35 <Rubidium> you need to rewrite parts of the pathfinders 16:52:22 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-4d8571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:52:28 <peter1138> i don't think it's that much work, tbh 16:52:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> the pathfinder should be really easy 16:54:23 <RichK67> cya bbl 16:54:41 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 16:55:56 <XeryusTC> doesn't c allow this: void foo(int bar=0); type of function prototypes? 16:56:12 <gradator> that is c++ 16:56:16 <gradator> not c 16:56:29 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:57:29 *** ProfFrink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:57:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> assuming we can find enough space in the map array, i believe the most headaches will be caused by display stuff 16:58:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> not to mention that the catenary looks extremely ugly 17:00:45 <Belugas> map array is quite dense 17:00:59 <Belugas> although tile types are not that much 17:02:36 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has quit ["In the end, all that matters is your relation with God..."] 17:05:08 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:06:09 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause3: catenary isn't necessary ;) 17:06:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> i do not know a (modern) tram that does not have catenary ;) 17:14:46 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:14:48 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 17:19:39 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 17:20:01 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 17:28:35 <glx> Eddi|zuHause3: in Bordeaux (France) the tramway uses a third rail with power in it only when the traw is over it 17:28:54 <glx> but they had lot of problem in the begining 17:29:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> horse tram ftw ;) 17:29:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> we need a start year 1850 or something ;) 17:30:25 <peter1138> that's possible 17:30:29 <peter1138> but currently boring ;p 17:31:47 <XeryusTC> is it possible to get the last vehicle that visited the station? (looking at the Station struct) 17:31:53 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tsch??"] 17:37:54 <peter1138> no 17:38:02 <peter1138> (it used to be) 17:43:11 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 17:43:24 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:50:48 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-192-128.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:51:14 *** Mucht|zZz [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 17:55:44 *** |VillageIdiot| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:08:17 *** Hallo is now known as Ha11o 18:14:17 <Belugas> ARggghhhh!!1 I'm contaminated "Import Chsnges from Trunk". That is in "Visual Source Safe" at work :S 18:17:04 <Belugas> as in : we do not have the notion of trunk in here 18:18:14 <XeryusTC> i have a question, as i was updating this old patch i came across a global variable named _map5 but it was removed, what is it called now? 18:18:37 <XeryusTC> i tried _m->m5 but that gives an error when i try to compile 18:18:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> you want to look for the appropriate map accessor function 18:19:09 *** Eddi|zuHause3 is now known as Eddi|zuHause2 18:19:21 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 18:19:27 <Belugas> or use _m[tilenumber].m5 18:19:38 <Belugas> but ... bad approach 18:20:27 <XeryusTC> it works, ty :) 18:22:01 <Belugas> but, as Eddi|zuHause mentionned, try appropriate accessor, please 18:22:30 <Belugas> what are you using it for? 18:25:20 <XeryusTC> I'm updating the station statistics patch 18:25:42 <XeryusTC> last time it was updated was r2514 :s 18:27:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know what exactly it does, but you might be better off with a rewrite ;) 18:27:53 <XeryusTC> it would be really usefull if there was a list of names that have changed over time in the documentation 18:28:35 <XeryusTC> Eddi|zuHause: probably wont happen because 1. someone just requested an update 2. i don't feel like doing it 3. i don't have time for it 18:28:47 <Belugas> there is one, in the tfc_newmap branch. But it does not correspond exactly to trunk 18:30:43 <Belugas> it is in docs/landscape.html. In the many projects that are dusting on my desk, there is an update of landsacpe.html 18:30:53 <Belugas> one day, i might dig it up 18:31:02 <Belugas> in a century or two ;) 18:31:27 <Eddi|zuHause> what i was trying to say was: taking a more abstract development stage and reimplementing the last step might be faster than updating the horribly outdated implementation 18:31:33 <peter1138> is lord Darkvater around? 18:33:32 <XeryusTC> Eddi|zuHause: the .diff file is 103kb, says enough about how much it is to code 18:33:34 <Belugas> Have not seen his cape floating around for quite a while, Master 18:34:04 <peter1138> http://www.chippc.com/products/jackpc/index.asp 18:35:21 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:35:59 *** Angst [n=Angst@p549458CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:36:01 <Belugas> I can't decide between admiration and suspicion 18:36:22 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 18:38:43 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 18:39:13 <MeusH> hi 18:46:16 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 18:47:16 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:48:27 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.1.3] has quit ["Look ma, no script!"] 18:50:26 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, he is quite upset at not being able to fox hunt. 18:52:47 <Brianetta> npf.c: In function 'NPFRouteToDepotTrialError': 18:52:47 <Brianetta> Five warnings on Linux build 18:53:14 <Brianetta> Uninitialised variable warnings all 18:57:48 <peter1138> yes, all "wrong" 18:58:03 <Brianetta> na ja 18:58:10 <Brianetta> st00pid compiler (: 18:58:28 <peter1138> it just doesn't know :) 19:01:12 * KUDr needs to consult proper penalties for too long or too short station platforms <-- any ideas? 19:01:39 <Brianetta> KUDr: Two trains of thought 19:01:56 <KUDr> two trains? 19:02:46 <Brianetta> of thought 19:02:50 <Brianetta> 1. 19:03:41 <Brianetta> Huge penalties because you have to carry everything from carriage to carriage to all wagons off the end of the platform. Definitely more likely with passengers, who have to walk down to inaccessible carriages by the aisle. 19:03:43 <Brianetta> 2. 19:04:10 <Brianetta> Minor penalties, based on the premise that a train can move forward and bring each part of the train to the platform. More the case for freight. 19:05:15 <Brianetta> In the second case, the penalty would be platform length / train length 19:05:40 <Brianetta> rounded upy to the next integer 19:05:58 <KUDr> cannot it be both from train/station length only? 19:06:00 <Brianetta> er, train length / platform length 19:06:03 <Brianetta> d'Oh 19:06:29 <KUDr> aha, hmm 19:06:57 <KUDr> i have it done so, that for each missing or redundant platform lengths there can be a constant 19:07:08 <Brianetta> That's better for case 1 19:07:08 <KUDr> and need that constans (default values) 19:07:14 <Brianetta> which TT did originally 19:07:45 <Brianetta> I don't know what the current wait algorith was, but an early TTDAlter "improved loading time" setting was to switch to case 2 19:08:01 <Brianetta> Then I was off the scene for 8 years or so 19:08:19 <KUDr> hmm 19:08:49 <KUDr> i don't like to change it to some super-logic 19:09:01 <KUDr> simple penalties should be enough 19:09:57 <KUDr> i just don't know if like 10 tiles for redundant tile would be ok 19:10:06 <KUDr> or 20 tiles for missing tile 19:11:19 <KUDr> and then how to add settings into Patches - if to increase savegame revision or make it not saved for single player 19:13:17 <KUDr> or is it so bad? 19:13:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i think you got your wires crossed somewhat... KUDr does not want to talk about loading time, just for the pathfinder choosing the right platform 19:14:07 <KUDr> yes 19:14:21 <KUDr> looks so 19:14:46 <KUDr> loading time can change by time 19:15:09 <KUDr> and choosing right platform is problem of user preferences 19:17:03 *** ProfFrink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:18:07 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:18:10 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 19:18:42 <KUDr> Eddi|zuHause: your opinions? 19:20:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure 19:21:08 <Eddi|zuHause> for too long platforms, the penalty should not be too high 19:21:36 <Eddi|zuHause> for too short platforms, the penalty should be pretty high, but not higher than last red signal penalty 19:22:30 <KUDr> last red is 10 or 100 tiles (normal or exit signal) 19:22:31 <Eddi|zuHause> (or maybe it should be higher?) 19:22:53 <KUDr> no idea 19:23:16 <KUDr> never used such optimizations (choosing right platform) 19:23:50 <Eddi|zuHause> well... if a train chooses a short track, because all long tracks are red, it may block the junction for quite a while 19:24:03 <KUDr> yes 19:24:19 <KUDr> so it should be quite high, right 19:24:26 <anboni> it should be high enough that with the first platform being too short and the 12th platform only being long enough, the pathfinder would pick the 12th platform if it's free :) 19:25:02 <KUDr> anboni: but what if it is not free? 19:25:15 <anboni> then pick the next longest platform 19:25:43 <KUDr> but then it can block more platforms 19:25:52 <KUDr> by blocking junction 19:26:01 <Eddi|zuHause> the average player will want to prevent trains from ever going to a too short platform 19:26:05 <anboni> true, but if it were going to wait for the entry signal, it would probably block most stuff as well 19:26:32 <KUDr> it depends on station design then 19:26:33 <anboni> (unless there's multiple entrances, but someone doing that would most likely take care to make all platforms long enough in the first palce) 19:26:43 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, we need proper entry signals anyway... that is out of the question ;) 19:27:32 <Eddi|zuHause> which is another reason to make the penalty higher, if we do get better signals, the train stops at the entry signal, because the exit signal(s) of choice is/are all red 19:27:39 <KUDr> so 10 tiles for each redundant tile and 100 tiles for each missing tile? 19:27:44 <anboni> and, to be brutally honest, if someone makes his trains longer than his stations and doesnt account for this in the rest of the station design, he deserves to have his junctions jam :) 19:27:49 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 19:28:05 <RichK67> hi all 19:28:09 <KUDr> hi 19:28:15 <anboni> KUDr, that's probably a nice starting point 19:28:16 <anboni> hi 19:28:19 <RichK67> Darkvater ping 19:28:48 *** |MeusH| [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 19:28:48 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:28:54 <anboni> wow.. few commits today 19:29:18 <RichK67> hopefully one new one coming up... just need DV to say "yes" ;) 19:29:41 <XeryusTC> RichK67: my patch is basicly finished, there are only some problems with deleted functions 19:29:56 <Eddi|zuHause> well... the scenario i have in mind is: a short (end) platform for a local train that goes back and forth, and a few long (passthrough) platforms for overregional and intercity trains 19:29:59 <RichK67> yeah, a lot got renamed 19:30:08 *** |MeusH| is now known as MeusH 19:30:44 <XeryusTC> i noticed 19:31:16 * XeryusTC thinks that the documentation should hold such information 19:31:17 <RichK67> it would have been good if a list was made of "functionX" is now called "functionY" 19:31:31 <Eddi|zuHause> which would additionally require the pathfinder to take in account a path for the next station in the list before deciding the platform on this station 19:31:32 <anboni> Eddi|zuHause, in a situation like that you'd want the shorter trains to actually pick the short platform if it's available, regardless of the distance from junction entrance to platform entrance 19:32:05 <anboni> so that would probably mean the penalty for too long platforms should increase a bit over the 10 we said above 19:32:13 <Eddi|zuHause> so a passthrough train will never choose the end platform 19:32:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe it was meant to be 10 per tile 19:33:04 <Eddi|zuHause> so if the train has 2 tiles length, and the other platforms have 5 tiles length 19:33:09 <Eddi|zuHause> it is 3*10 penalty 19:33:13 <KUDr> yes, per tile 19:33:24 <KUDr> per redundant tile 19:33:28 <Eddi|zuHause> which is 30 tiles, and that is pretty damn long ;) 19:33:32 <anboni> yeah, i understand that.. but a regular track tile is 70, and a diagonal 100, right? 19:33:44 <KUDr> nonono 19:33:47 <anboni> ooh wait, i get it now 19:33:48 <KUDr> 10 tiles 19:34:00 <KUDr> unit is tile 19:34:07 <KUDr> for us now 19:34:26 <anboni> yeah, so for the 3*10 penalty, that would be 30*70 actual points added? 19:34:37 <RichK67> Celestar ping 19:34:39 <KUDr> why 70? 19:34:49 <anboni> wasn't that the cost for straight track? 19:35:05 <KUDr> aha, but stations are diagonal 19:35:16 <anboni> they are? 19:35:20 <KUDr> and normal direction is also diagonal 19:35:27 <KUDr> there is tile = 100 units 19:36:00 <KUDr> stations are like NE-SW or NW-SE 19:36:08 <Eddi|zuHause> there should really be a standardizised definition of words like "north" and "diagonal" ;) 19:36:14 <Eddi|zuHause> everyone uses them differently ;) 19:36:23 <Eddi|zuHause> which makes communication harder 19:36:33 <KUDr> Eddi|zuHause: there are - in the code 19:36:33 <anboni> yeah, i consider diagonal the tracks that leave the tile in a different direction than they enter :) 19:36:44 <KUDr> no 19:37:08 <KUDr> if you read the code you get the logic the author used 19:37:20 <anboni> yeah, i guess i should start on that some more 19:37:39 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:37:43 <KUDr> NE is top left corner of screen 19:37:49 <KUDr> NW 19:37:52 <KUDr> sorry 19:38:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it is a problem of relativity... 19:38:14 <KUDr> heh 19:38:16 <anboni> ok yeah, it's starting to make sense now :) 19:38:22 <Eddi|zuHause> do you mean "diagonal" relative to the screen, or relative to the map grid 19:38:35 <KUDr> screen i guess 19:38:37 <Eddi|zuHause> both versions are perfectly valid 19:38:43 <KUDr> so it is named in the code 19:38:45 <Eddi|zuHause> while they end up with the exact opposite 19:38:53 <KUDr> DiagDirection for example 19:39:01 <anboni> actually, relative to the screen is the only valid way of describing it, since that's how it was coded :) 19:39:11 <KUDr> yes 19:39:23 <Eddi|zuHause> but the average user has no clue about how it was coded 19:39:29 <Eddi|zuHause> but he does see the map grid 19:39:38 <KUDr> i need to think in the same relations as the code is made 19:39:54 <anboni> but anyone joining in coding-related discussions in this channel isn't "the average user" :) 19:40:07 <KUDr> yes, so sorry for that 19:40:30 <Eddi|zuHause> but most of them started as such... and thus are already used to whatever interpretation they came up with ;) 19:40:39 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 19:41:09 <Eddi|zuHause> it is no big problem, just before you start discussing, you have to sync all those definitions, otherwise the results can be nasty ;) 19:41:26 <anboni> Eddi|zuHause, yeah, you're probably right about that... i'm probably in the lucky position that i never before tried to communicate about those directions.. and i dont use them in my mind while building track either :) 19:45:09 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp15-28.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:46:19 <Eddi|zuHause> the real problem is, whenever you want to standardizise such a definition, you will find it impossible to explain to one side, why the other side's definition is more appropriate... no matter which side you chose ;) 19:47:09 <anboni> between coders (and wannabe coders, like myself :) ) there's only one right side: the code's :) 19:47:44 <anboni> from direction.h: DIR_NE = 1, /* Northeast, upper right on your monitor */ 19:48:29 <anboni> (just be glad it isn't possible to rotate the view.. now THAT would make for some definition nightmares :) ) 19:48:56 <glx> easy way: diagonal tracks are the ones that can cross a road 19:49:24 <anboni> i guess that would work, at least until a new map array gets invented :) 19:51:49 <Eddi|zuHause> anboni: but i, as a professional non-coder (you may call that theoretical computer scientist :)) want to stay as far away from the code as possible 19:52:36 <anboni> Eddi|zuHause, fair enough, but if you wanna talk about anything touching on code, you'd better still use the definitions as learned from the code :) 19:57:14 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:02:57 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD57729D4.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:06:36 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729D4.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:09:34 * valhallasw bounces around 20:09:49 * valhallasw is ready with his final exams \o/ 20:10:15 <anboni> now the big wait starts :) 20:12:49 <valhallasw> yah 20:13:34 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 20:27:56 *** wolf^_ [i=wolf@rev2.kamp.pl] has joined #openttd 20:27:56 *** wolf^ [i=wolf@pld-linux/wolf] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:28:55 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:28:55 *** wolf^_ is now known as wolf^ 20:40:38 <anboni> i have a (tiny) patch to submit which will make the main toolbar position honor the patch setting at game start or load.. how do i go about getting this checked out?:) 20:40:41 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-9425.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 20:41:37 <anboni> ("checked out" as in "verified by a dev", not svn checked out :) ) 20:43:18 <Eddi|zuHause> post it on flyspray 20:43:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and then bug the devs here ;) 20:43:54 <anboni> well.. i already posted the issue on flyspray, but looks like nobody ever touched it so far :) 20:44:12 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 20:45:37 <glx> anboni: so post comment in flyspray and attach your patch 20:45:52 <anboni> ok, will do that 20:46:15 <glx> in the same task :) 20:47:44 <anboni> but how often do devs look at that stuff? the status of my initial report is still "Unconfirmed", after 3 weeks or so (granted, i did set it to 'very low' severity :) ) 20:50:38 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729D4.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 20:51:27 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 20:52:12 <Belugas_Gone> 'night 20:52:17 <anboni> night 21:01:03 <CIA-3> KUDr * r5065 /trunk/yapf/ (yapf_costrail.hpp yapf_destrail.hpp): -CodeChange: [YAPF] Added PfDetectDestination(tile, trackdir) for trains (to be used by platform selection feature) 21:01:20 *** [Shaman] [n=nnscript@ip503c1f52.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:08:00 <Born_Acorn> ooh, is that for things like 2 car DMUs picking 1 tile platforms as opposed to the 5 tile platform next door? 21:10:13 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that is, what we were discussing today... 21:10:51 <peter1138> \o/ 21:11:07 <Eddi|zuHause> btw... KUDr... you might look into how that might be combined with multistop 21:11:20 <Eddi|zuHause> for RV 21:11:30 <KUDr> uhh 21:11:39 <Eddi|zuHause> (far future :)) 21:11:42 <KUDr> can't imagine how 21:13:13 <Eddi|zuHause> well... the tasks "choose right platform" and "choose right road stop" look pretty similar from the outside ;) (although both have different criteria) 21:14:20 <KUDr> yes, also different algo 21:14:48 <KUDr> and implemented in different layers (controller vs. pathfinder) 21:15:31 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah... but i really think it can and should be somehow combined 21:15:55 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 21:21:58 *** |VillageIdiot| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:22:31 *** MYOB [n=vision@h1.vpn.gov.ie] has joined #openttd 21:23:17 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:23:38 <roboman> gmorning 21:27:13 <roboman> bye 21:27:21 *** roboman is now known as roboschool 21:28:00 *** anboni [i=daemon@ivory.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:28:18 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn12-72.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:30:16 <MYOB> 2048*2048 maps + autosave = bad idea 21:35:12 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:35:57 <peter1138> hehh 21:37:29 <Darkvater> and /me is home 21:37:34 <Darkvater> heh 21:37:41 <MeusH> welcome back 21:37:58 *** [Shaman] [n=nnscript@ip503c1f52.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:39:37 <CIA-3> KUDr * r5066 /trunk/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: [YAPF] Train selects the best station platform by length 21:40:14 <yanek> oh! great! 21:40:23 <KUDr> try it! 21:41:09 <yanek> of course, i know where ;-) 21:41:18 <KUDr> good 21:45:43 <Eddi|zuHause> next step: take into account path to next station (including penalty for turning around) 21:46:05 *** Angst [n=Angst@p549458CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["gn"] 21:46:34 <Darkvater> I seem to have been quite wanted today 21:46:40 <Darkvater> I counted at least 10 pings 21:46:43 <Darkvater> :) 21:46:59 <Darkvater> including about 6 by Celestar about some kind of an opinion I'm supposed to have ;) 21:47:30 <peter1138> Darkvater: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/184 21:47:41 <peter1138> (see my attachment) 21:47:44 <peter1138> now: sleep 21:48:02 <Darkvater> yes sir 21:48:07 * Darkvater goes to bed duefully 21:48:36 <Darkvater> peter1138: ah that'll have to wait for the weekend I'm afraid 21:49:09 <KUDr> [23:45:42] <Eddi|zuHause> next step: take into account path to next station (including penalty for turning around) -> this would be very CPU expensive 21:50:02 <Eddi|zuHause> hmm... yeah, it can probably live with some approximations... 21:50:17 <Eddi|zuHause> or heuristics 21:50:27 <Eddi|zuHause> not quite sure which though... 21:50:31 <KUDr> how? by air distance? 21:50:59 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... that might be too easy :) 21:51:04 <KUDr> you have waypoints for that 21:51:04 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit ["Leaving."] 21:53:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i think this can be optimized very much by using cached values 21:53:35 <Eddi|zuHause> because you do not need to dynamically apply signal states and stuff 21:54:32 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 21:57:27 <Eddi|zuHause> better than plain air distance might be looking ahead a few (10?) tiles with BFS and then air distance 22:00:01 <Eddi|zuHause> but i' 22:00:02 *** roboschool [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:00:12 <Eddi|zuHause> m not sure if that is less CPU intensive 22:00:22 <Eddi|zuHause> than just searching the path ;) 22:01:13 *** Schamane_ [n=schamane@p5498D01E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:03:14 <Eddi|zuHause> but the BFS result (set of reachable "exit" tiles) can easily be cached for each platform 22:03:23 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-247-200.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:04:41 <Eddi|zuHause> because it only changes when the user changes the local track layout 22:04:54 <KUDr> BFS? 22:05:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Breadth First Search 22:05:21 <KUDr> hmmm 22:05:34 <KUDr> it would be overcombined 22:05:44 <KUDr> nobody would understand that 22:05:56 <Sacro> evening all 22:06:08 <KUDr> doing such think only for fine tunning is not good for any software 22:06:26 <KUDr> hi Sacro 22:06:44 <Sacro> hey KUDr 22:06:46 <Eddi|zuHause> well... it was the most simple algorithm i could think about right now ;= 22:07:18 <Eddi|zuHause> (or is it 'simplest'?) 22:07:27 <KUDr> Eddi|zuHause: this is difference between coder and theoretical sw consultant 22:07:50 <KUDr> i agree that from functionality point of view it would be the best 22:08:10 <KUDr> but i must take into consideration also other aspects 22:08:29 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, sure 22:08:53 <KUDr> (hmm: most simple == simplest i guess) 22:08:59 <Eddi|zuHause> it was just a more or less random thought ;) 22:09:31 <Eddi|zuHause> well.. english has very strict rules about when to use 'most' and '-est' 22:10:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i just always forget them ;) 22:10:25 <KUDr> my lang is czech 22:10:35 <KUDr> so i can't tell 22:12:36 <Eddi|zuHause> well... english isn't my mother language either 22:13:45 <Eddi|zuHause> my czech does not go much beyond "ahoi" and "dobre" ;) 22:14:53 <Sacro> yeah, most simple and simplest are interchangeable 22:15:06 <Sacro> use whichevers most simple/simplest :) 22:16:39 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498EBB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:16:49 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-9425.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:17:43 *** gathers [n=gathers@c-0545e255.434-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["Lämnar"] 22:18:19 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.1/2006040400]"] 22:19:04 *** Spoco [i=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 22:19:17 *** MYOB [n=vision@h1.vpn.gov.ie] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:20:43 <CIA-3> KUDr * r5067 /trunk/ (settings.c yapf/yapf_costrail.hpp): -Codechange: [YAPF] Platform selection feature now applies penalty per platform instead of per tile (should give better results) 22:20:53 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 22:21:41 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691917057.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:22:19 * KUDr -> bed (good night) 22:23:04 * Sacro say(goodnight)->KUDr 22:27:01 *** MYOB [n=vision@h1.vpn.gov.ie] has joined #openttd 22:29:28 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 22:34:02 <MeusH> cya 22:34:08 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Goodbye"] 22:42:39 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1480.lns6-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.0 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 22:45:17 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 22:52:34 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691917057.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 22:53:45 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 22:58:12 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:59:09 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691917057.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:11:45 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36BEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:21:08 * Sacro sits drawing D Stock 23:21:30 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-200-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:22:00 <MYOB> mentioning drawing stock... are there freely stealable grfs or BREL MkII and MkIII stock around? 23:23:31 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has quit ["/quit"] 23:23:52 <MYOB> it would leave me with only... oh... every loco, something like 9 classes of D/EMU, CIE MK1 and MK4 coaches, brake vans and travelling post offices to draw... 23:25:33 <Eddi|zuHause> this does not parse 23:27:58 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691917057.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 23:29:11 <Sacro> i dunno, but im confused totally 23:30:11 <MYOB> confused by what? 23:31:54 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-192-128.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:34:17 <Sacro> MYOB: just life in general 23:34:41 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:36:55 *** MYOB2 [n=vision@h1.vpn.gov.ie] has joined #openttd 23:37:13 <MYOB2> anyway, before my machine dumped me..... 23:37:16 <MYOB2> anyway, before my machine dumped me..... 23:37:18 <MYOB2> erm 23:37:24 <MYOB2> surely someone did a graphics set with British Rail coaches? 23:37:39 <Sacro> yeah, think PikkaBirds UKRS does 23:37:45 <Sacro> or maybe could be BRSet actually 23:38:25 *** MYOB [n=vision@h1.vpn.gov.ie] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:38:25 *** MYOB2 is now known as MYOB 23:38:42 <MYOB> because I want to find one where I can swipe the Mark 2 and Mark 3 coaches 23:38:52 <MYOB> as it'll save me having to do them for an Irish Rail set 23:40:00 * valhallasw dances around with Sacro 23:40:43 <MYOB> I might just wait till the new graphics midn 23:44:11 <Sacro> valhallasw: any reason? 23:44:31 <Bjarni> Sacro: maybe he wants to dance with you 23:44:37 <Sacro> Bjarni: well, maybe 23:44:42 <Bjarni> and maybe he wants to do more than that with you 23:44:57 <valhallasw> Sacro: exams 23:45:00 <valhallasw> possibly 23:45:40 <Sacro> valhallasw: hmm 23:45:49 <Sacro> how high should the - view be? 23:45:50 <Bjarni> valhallasw: I don't think Sacro is a good token of luck for exams 23:46:07 <MYOB> right, the next time the girlfriend claims I have too many satellite dishes... http://forum.dxtv.de/wbb/thread.php?threadid=3300&threadview=0&hilight=&hilightuser=0&page=1 23:46:52 <valhallasw> like 23:46:55 <valhallasw> examns are done 23:46:57 <valhallasw> finito 23:46:59 <valhallasw> etc 23:47:15 <Sacro> Bjarni: cheers 23:47:20 <Bjarni> MYOB: well, I think he use them for more than just TV 23:47:36 <valhallasw> but hey 23:47:41 *** valhallasw is now known as valhallazzzw 23:47:42 <Bjarni> but then again, I didn't bother too read the text :P 23:47:43 <MYOB> Bjarni doesn't look like it 23:47:44 <valhallazzzw> I'm going to bed 23:47:54 <valhallazzzw> and no, I don't want Sacro there :X 23:48:00 <MYOB> considering he shows what appears to be 5,000 euro of satellite TV/radio decoders 23:49:23 <Sacro> valhallazzzw: im glad 23:51:33 <Eddi|zuHause> lol... he pretty much has a reciever/tv in every room :) 23:54:03 <Bjarni> the most fun I got from satelites was when I watched ISS moving over the sky 23:54:47 <Bjarni> that glowing dot. It looked a bit like a star, but it was brighter and bigger 23:54:52 <Bjarni> and it was man made 23:55:46 <Eddi|zuHause> "Ohne Receiver so etwa 3T bis 4T Euro. 23:56:01 <Eddi|zuHause> the value of his equipment 23:56:03 <Bjarni> o_O 23:56:21 <Bjarni> I would never pay so much for something like that 23:56:52 <MYOB> hrm, I was a bit off on the valuation 23:57:06 <MYOB> but then again, Dreamboxes are cheaper in Germany than here 23:57:58 <Bjarni> I would not even know the price here 23:59:48 * Sacro needs a girl