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Please change your bookmarks as this channel is 'dead'. Sorry for the inconvenience 07:46:11 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has left #openttd [] 07:47:35 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k540.webspeed.dk] has quit [Client Quit] 07:50:48 *** Triffid_Hunter [n=Splat@funkmunch.net] has left #openttd [] 07:51:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o Tron] by ChanServ 07:52:19 *** Skiddles^ [n=notme@cm112.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 07:54:13 <Tron> Attention! This channel has been abandoned, please leave it in an orderly manner and head over to #openttd on OFTC, don't run! 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was kicked from #openttd by Tron [Please join #openttd on OFTC] 08:45:45 *** orudge [n=orudge@host81-132-175-237.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:45:48 *** Pixelz was kicked from #openttd by Tron [Please join #openttd on OFTC] 08:45:52 *** Pixelz [n=pix@pix.pp.se] has joined #openttd 08:45:53 *** Prof_Frink was kicked from #openttd by Tron [Please join #openttd on OFTC] 08:45:59 *** robobot was kicked from #openttd by Tron [Please join #openttd on OFTC] 08:46:03 *** roboboy was kicked from #openttd by Tron [Please join #openttd on OFTC] 08:46:07 *** SimonRC was kicked from #openttd by Tron [Please join #openttd on OFTC] 08:46:12 *** SpComb was kicked from #openttd by Tron [Please join #openttd on OFTC] 17:25:42 <Brianetta> My IRC client has a server dialogue, and not a mention o f a bookmark anywhere in it. 17:25:55 <Brianetta> Autoconnect, yes. Bookmark, no. 17:26:31 <SpComb> boo 17:26:34 <Brianetta> If we're going to use browser terminology, it would better be describes as a home page. 17:26:48 <SpComb> well, now the logs should point at the right place 17:26:52 <SpComb> damm you for moving! 17:26:53 <Bjarni> my IRC app created a bookmark for me because I went there so often or something. I never made it myself :) 17:26:55 <Wolf01> bookmarks on irc client? 17:27:08 <Bjarni> clever app 17:27:11 <Brianetta> Wolf01: I know, it's a bit Mac Classic 17:27:32 <Wolf01> i have "favourites" in mIRC 17:27:36 <Brianetta> ew 17:27:47 <Bjarni> if I know the address to a server and a channel and use it often enough, then it figures out that I don't want to remember it and remembers it for me :p 17:27:52 <SpComb> hmm, do I need to tweak my irc stats or can I drop those as well? 17:27:53 <Brianetta> I have a huge list of servers, some of which have "autoconnect" ticked 17:28:17 <Bjarni> that would be considered bookmarks in this case 17:28:29 <Brianetta> It;s more like home pages 17:28:34 <Bjarni> SpComb: well.... 17:28:35 <Bjarni> !logs 17:28:41 <Bjarni> !stats 17:28:41 <DorpsGek> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/openttd.html 17:28:43 <SpComb> oops 17:28:46 <Brianetta> I never select a bookmark, as I might in a browser 17:28:48 * SpComb tweaks a bit more 17:28:58 <Brianetta> It's not possible to add a current connection to the server list, either 17:29:04 <Brianetta> You type the stuf fin yourself 17:29:14 <Brianetta> Hardly a bookmark 17:29:21 <SpComb> someone want to !logs again? 17:29:24 <Brianetta> It's an utterly different paradigm 17:29:26 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 17:29:26 <lws1984> !logs 17:29:28 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 17:29:28 <Brianetta> !logs 17:29:40 <lws1984> *ahem* SPAM *ahem* 17:29:40 <SpComb> hmm, TLs stats smell 17:29:47 *** webfreakz [~Ronald@195.73.147.226] has quit [Quit: bye] 17:29:54 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 17:29:54 <Brianetta> !logs 17:31:01 <Bjarni> if everybody says !logs all the time, the we can flood SpComb out 17:31:06 <SpComb> :( 17:31:14 <SpComb> 'tis true, I don't have flood protection on it 17:31:15 <Bjarni> he will generate way more traffic than we do if we join in on it 17:31:22 <SpComb> but that would be mean 17:31:32 <Bjarni> you are right... 17:31:37 <Bjarni> LET'S DO IT 17:31:39 <Bjarni> :p 17:32:18 <Bjarni> well on freenode just mentioning flooding would flood you 17:32:21 <SpComb> http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd/stats <-- "During this 170-day reporting period, a total of 621 different nicks were represented on #openttd. 17:32:51 <Bjarni> it manage to flood me out 3 times yesterday while I was doing other stuff (completely idle on IRC) 17:32:54 <Bjarni> that sucks 17:32:56 <SpComb> my stats have 170 days of logs to offer... I can add a !stats trigger if one wants me to 17:33:00 <SpComb> well, TL's has 2 days 17:33:43 <SpComb> in any case, it's acessible from the stats link on the logs page 17:38:47 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc51.host2.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 17:41:07 <mikk36> what happened to old freenode chan ? 17:41:13 <mikk36> why did it die ? 17:41:16 <lws1984> it was become evil 17:41:20 <SpComb> fleenode is evil! 17:41:23 <SpComb> *fleanode 17:41:33 <mikk36> ? 17:42:02 <ln-> mikk36: freenode sucks 17:42:06 *** sayno [~sayno@ip67-88-107-227.z107-88-67.customer.algx.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:42:14 <mikk36> how ? :) 17:42:39 <lws1984> lilo. 17:42:43 <lws1984> that's all you need to know. 17:42:48 <ln-> mikk36: see http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:8qwVgCDpXqIJ:www.liloaid.org/ 17:43:01 <mikk36> i know that site 17:43:27 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 17:44:41 *** sayno [~sayno@ip67-88-107-227.z107-88-67.customer.algx.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:02 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:49:20 *** AciD [~AciD@tehpwnz.org] has quit [Quit: Connection not reset by peer.] 17:50:58 *** JohnUK89 [~admin@149.254.200.215] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by JohnUK89_))] 17:52:13 *** JohnUK89 [~admin@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 17:55:18 *** AciD [~AciD@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 17:56:33 *** znikoz [znikoz@ant-233.ag1.dp.ukrtel.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:19 *** znikoz [znikoz@ant-233.ag1.dp.ukrtel.net] has left #openttd [] 18:01:34 <Brianetta> http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/lirr/pubs/video/Crossing.htm 18:01:57 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:23 <Wolf01> i feel the missing of CIA :'( 18:02:34 *** jneves [~jneves@adsl-sul02-1-254.vianw.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:03:10 *** Sutherland [applet@0x57346bec.naenxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:03:14 <JohnUK89> Wolf01: don't you mean miss the feeling of? 18:03:18 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:03:40 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03:40 <Sutherland> hello 18:04:07 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 18:04:07 <Trenskow> !logs 18:04:23 *** znikoz [znikoz@ant-233.ag1.dp.ukrtel.net] has joined #openttd 18:05:00 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:05:00 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn6-0-0-cust801.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:05:22 <OwenS> Aah, it's good to be back.. 18:05:46 <Sutherland> is this an channel for openttd as in open transport tycoon deluxe 18:05:58 <lws1984> indeed 18:06:06 <Sutherland> COOL :D 18:06:17 <Sutherland> i love that game :D 18:06:19 <OwenS> Although it's officially OpenTTD, since Open Transport Tycoon Delux would be trademark infringement 18:06:23 <OwenS> This is THE channel for it 18:06:35 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06:52 <Sutherland> so its inhere all of u psychos railroad builders are? 18:07:21 <OwenS> And the devs 18:07:29 <Sutherland> devs? 18:07:33 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 18:07:34 <OwenS> Developers 18:07:41 <Sutherland> cool :D 18:07:58 <Wolf01> and twisted guys as sacro 18:08:05 <Bjarni> yeah 18:08:15 <Bjarni> we keep Sacro as an example of what not to do 18:08:15 <Sutherland> wow i already love this channel :D 18:08:16 <lws1984> and clumsy loonies like yours truly! 18:08:28 <Wolf01> he is the jolly joker 18:08:37 <JohnUK89> And complete nutters like Bjarni ;-) 18:08:45 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: what are you then? something we shouldn't have at all? 18:09:03 *** JohnUK89 was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [now you do you think is nuts] 18:09:11 <Sutherland> HAHA :D 18:09:14 <OwenS> Rofl 18:09:15 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: I'm already mentioned 18:09:17 *** JohnUK89 [~admin@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 18:09:23 <JohnUK89> point proven :-D 18:09:41 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: he was just a bit quicker :( 18:09:55 <Bjarni> no, not that 18:09:58 <Bjarni> :p 18:10:03 <Bjarni> <OwenS> And the devs 18:10:23 <OwenS> It's NOT fun completely dismantlinf your PC, removing the heatsink, turning over the motherboard, carefuly poking out AMD's mounting bracket, then having to mess on with getting it working again :P 18:10:25 <XeryusTC> :o you're a dev too? 18:10:34 <OwenS> JUST because the damn fan on the stock heatsink broke! POS! 18:10:41 * Bjarni slaps XeryusTC 18:11:10 * XeryusTC cries 18:11:20 <XeryusTC> i was only kiddin' :'(((((((((( 18:11:23 * lws1984 pats XeryusTC on teh back 18:11:34 * XeryusTC huggles lws1984 18:11:38 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: well, I made a release binary as early as 0.1.4 18:11:39 <Bjarni> and I had to port the game first 18:11:59 <peter1138> anyone can do that 18:12:08 <XeryusTC> rofl 18:12:21 <Bjarni> peter1138: sure, now that I showed them how to do it :p 18:12:32 <peter1138> :D 18:12:42 * peter1138 mutters 18:12:43 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: i ported it to my own w2k pc! :P 18:12:47 <peter1138> first my adsl died 18:13:05 <peter1138> pthen my telephone line is completely out of action 18:13:19 <OwenS> Nothing that can have happened is worse than having the heatsink on your CPU die... 18:13:19 <Bjarni> peter1138: oh I tried that as well 18:13:29 <peter1138> so i'm using someone's unsecured wifi via a pda 18:13:33 <Bjarni> then I plugged in the computer again and the phone started working again 18:13:47 <OwenS> peter1138: Oh, possibly 18:13:57 <XeryusTC> OwenS: how can a heatsink die, it is just a piece of metal that doesn't move or anything 18:14:03 <OwenS> The fan on it... 18:14:11 <Sutherland> what irc network are this channel on? 18:14:12 <Bjarni> disconnecting the DSL/phone filter cut off the phone that was not even routed though the filter 18:14:17 <peter1138> the keyboard of which has no escape, nor pgup/down 18:14:48 <JohnUK89> Sutherland: OFTC 18:14:48 <Bjarni> <XeryusTC> Bjarni: i ported it to my own w2k pc! :P <-- well, I took a code hardcoded to little endian and ported it to a big endian system 18:14:51 <Wolf01> OwenS, news about the nand patch? 18:14:57 <peter1138> Bjarni: bt say it'll be fixed on the 17th 18:14:58 <orudge> Aargh, stupid highlight 18:15:06 <orudge> I told it to highlight "owen", but it decides to highlight "OwenS" too 18:15:09 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: you already told me that once 18:15:11 <orudge> Can't OwenS change his name? I was here first! ;p 18:15:12 <Wolf01> lol 18:15:12 <peter1138> i move out on the 18th... 18:15:14 <Bjarni> peter1138: ok, then it's not a filter issue 18:15:18 <Bjarni> peter1138: LOL 18:15:33 <XeryusTC> peter1138: rofl 18:15:48 <Bjarni> <Sutherland> what irc network are this channel on? <-- I hate to ask you this, but.... how did you connect if you don't know that? :p 18:16:09 <OwenS> orudge: Even worse, I'm Owen on TT-Forums :P 18:16:53 <Sutherland> hehe i connectet via an java irc to get on an other channel the i saw that there was a channel named openttd.org and the i just joined that one 18:16:53 <orudge> Ah, is THAT you? 18:16:55 * peter1138 ponders hand applying svn revisions 18:16:57 <orudge> :p 18:17:09 <Bjarni> orudge: now we know who to ban 18:17:13 <orudge> ;> 18:17:36 <OwenS> :( 18:17:46 <Bjarni> he is even an American 18:17:51 <OwenS> I am not! 18:17:55 <XeryusTC> he's english 18:17:56 <Sutherland> so.. what is the orc network? 18:18:00 <OwenS> OFTC.net 18:18:10 <OwenS> Iv'e only received one PM for you yet, and I forwarded you it :P 18:18:10 <Sutherland> okay thx :D 18:18:14 <Bjarni> whois says Waltham, MA, USA 18:18:21 <XeryusTC> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/Community:Members <- OwenS is english :) 18:18:22 <Bjarni> but that might be the irc server 18:18:51 <OwenS> O.o 18:18:58 <OwenS> What IP 18:18:59 <OwenS> ? 18:19:23 <Bjarni> /whois OwenS 18:19:27 <Bjarni> bbl dinner 18:19:33 <orudge> /meis OwenR 18:19:44 <OwenS> lol 18:19:57 <OwenS> 82.17.235.34 <- Should be a UK IP :s 18:20:09 <Wolf01> i read owner XD 18:20:25 *** WolfAngel [~WolfAngel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 18:20:33 <WolfAngel> U GUYS ROCK!!! 18:20:36 <WolfAngel> ^^ 18:20:40 <orudge> Almost the same as my IP and everything 18:20:51 <orudge> well, not really 18:21:06 <Wolf01> how many wolfs more? 18:21:11 <WolfAngel> well... 18:21:16 <Patrick`> eighty-something is the UK isp block, as I recall 18:21:21 <WolfAngel> I'm just looking out for 'em 18:21:21 <orudge> Indeed 18:21:25 <Patrick`> check the iana or whoever it is that looks after them 18:21:30 *** erpidu [id11@client-87-247-84-59.inturbo.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:32 <Sutherland> hehe wolfangel is one of my friends :D a cool guy :D 18:21:35 <Patrick`> my last one was an 84 18:21:40 <WolfAngel> ^^ sure am 18:21:41 <Patrick`> my current is a 12-something 18:21:46 <orudge> My IP is usually Owen Rudge says: 18:21:47 <orudge> I'm OK, busy just now as is usual though 18:21:49 <orudge> whoops 18:21:53 <Patrick`> hah 18:22:04 <orudge> my IP is usually 138.251.* as that's the St Andrews uni block 18:22:08 <Sacro> someone called? 18:22:14 *** johans_ [~johans@c-fd60e155.1046-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:22:28 <Sacro> [19:09] <Wolf01> and twisted guys as sacro <- i aint twisted :( 18:22:36 <Sacro> [19:10] <Bjarni> we keep Sacro as an example of what not to do <- :o 18:22:47 <OwenS> Haha :P 18:22:48 <JohnUK89> mine is 149.254.* (T-Mobile proxy) :P 18:22:59 *** dupier [id11@client-87-247-84-59.inturbo.lt] has joined #openttd 18:22:59 <Sacro> :D janet and john 18:23:50 <Sutherland> hmm why are everyone so mean against the sacro guy? 18:23:54 <Sutherland> or girl?.. 18:23:57 <OwenS> My (http) proxy is 10.8.0.1 and yet sits without any physical proximity to me 18:24:03 <OwenS> I think it was jokey :P 18:24:04 <Patrick`> calm down romeo, it'a a he 18:24:14 <Sutherland> hehe :D 18:24:14 * Sacro blushes 18:24:18 <JohnUK89> OwenS: strange lol 18:24:20 <Sutherland> :P 18:24:23 <Patrick`> yeah, for some reason a lot of people have the 127 block 18:24:33 <OwenS> Haha 18:24:37 <OwenS> JohnUK89: Fear the power of teh VPN! :P 18:24:50 <JohnUK89> OwenS: ahaaaa! :) 18:24:51 <Patrick`> OwenS: that's the big big private address space 18:24:59 <Patrick`> like, da huuuuuudge one 18:25:44 <OwenS> The PC i'm VPNing too has no network attached either (Except teh Internet :P) 18:26:10 <JohnUK89> OwenS: lol 18:27:44 *** WolfAngel [~WolfAngel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Quit: WolfAngel] 18:27:54 *** SutherlandDK [applet@0x57346bec.naenxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:27:59 <SutherlandDK> yeah im in :D 18:28:07 <Sutherland> hey my self 18:28:24 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 18:28:28 <WolfAngel> Back! 18:28:33 <WolfAngel> in my own client ^^ 18:28:43 <SutherlandDK> me to ;D 18:29:12 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 18:30:30 <OwenS> Aah, it's MUCH nicer not to be walking on a floor covered in dustbunies 18:30:43 <WolfAngel> why? ^^... 18:30:53 <SutherlandDK> what is dustbunies? 18:30:54 <OwenS> Dustbunnies itch 18:30:58 <OwenS> Big balls of dust 18:31:04 <SutherlandDK> hehe 18:31:07 <OwenS> Which, in this case, all came out of my PC case... 18:31:08 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 18:31:14 <WolfAngel> ^^ 18:31:21 <Sutherland> im disconnecting 18:31:23 *** Sutherland [applet@0x57346bec.naenxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has left #openttd [] 18:31:38 <SutherlandDK> oh no i diconnectet :D 18:32:23 <OwenS> Bloody hell 18:32:36 <OwenS> No wonder my old heatsink didn't cool any more! 18:32:41 <Patrick`> it fell off? 18:32:46 <OwenS> No 18:32:50 <OwenS> It's stuffed with dust! 18:32:58 <johans_> any ides how to not clog the mainline (2x2-maglev) when the rail climbs on 1 tile? it slows dpwn all traffic :( 18:33:04 <WolfAngel> wow... Wolfensteijn ... sounds kinda you know...? familiar... 18:35:10 <SutherlandDK> (CPU2) AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ @ 2200MHz ( 939Dual-SATA2 mainboard) (RAM) 2GB, 951.92MB free (HDDs) 229GB, 30.2GB free 18:35:10 <SutherlandDK> (VGA2) Radeon X1800 GTO Secondary (256MB), 1280x1024x32, 60Hz (OS) Microsoft Windows XP Professional (SP2), 10h 36m 5s uptime, 4d 8h 24m 20s uptime record 18:35:34 <SutherlandDK> damned wrong button sry.. 18:35:39 <OwenS> lol 18:35:47 <OwenS> Nice CPU BTW :P 18:35:53 <SutherlandDK> thx :D 18:36:01 <Sacro> SutherlandDK: damn you for that spec 18:36:11 <SutherlandDK> hehe 18:36:15 <Wolfensteijn> WolfAngel> you talking to me, or to another wolf? ;) 18:36:15 <WolfAngel> as in allways 18:36:32 <WolfAngel> keep Sacro as a example on how not to do... 18:36:37 <Sacro> :p 18:36:40 <WolfAngel> donøt damn people 18:36:40 <SutherlandDK> hehe :D 18:36:45 <WolfAngel> don't* 18:36:48 <WolfAngel> ^^ 18:37:30 <WolfAngel> yeah Wolfensteijn ... haven't you heard about the game...? spelled a little different 18:37:39 <SutherlandDK> owens what cpu do u got? 18:38:05 <Wolfensteijn> ah, hehe :) 18:38:08 <Sacro> whats with all the wolfs? 18:38:12 <Wolfensteijn> that's indeed where my nick comes from ;) 18:38:19 <Wolfensteijn> popular name? 18:38:51 <Patrick`> Sacro: I could offer an explanation but it would be true and seen as trolling 18:38:57 <WolfAngel> yeah... and nice one to ^^... 18:39:11 <Sacro> Patrick`: nowt wrong with trolling,i do it in a fair few channels 18:39:34 <Patrick`> still, I'd rather not. 18:41:00 <OwenS> SutherlandDK: AMD Athlon 64 3500+ S939 18:41:07 <Patrick`> OwenS: you too, huh? 18:41:10 <Patrick`> sucks, doesn't it 18:41:15 <OwenS> ? 18:41:19 <SutherlandDK> hehe 18:41:20 <Patrick`> "socket 939 will be the future!" 18:41:20 <WolfAngel> ... not 3800+ is the best! ^^... 18:41:24 <WolfAngel> no* 18:41:27 <OwenS> Haha 18:41:27 <Patrick`> 6 months later, "oops, we meant AM2" 18:41:36 <Sacro> havent they planned AM3 already? 18:41:37 <SutherlandDK> lol the 4200+ is better wolfangel :P 18:41:44 <JohnUK89> Sacro: same socket 18:41:47 <Patrick`> I was told it would become as long-lasting and futureproof as the socket A was 18:41:51 <Sacro> SutherlandDK: X2? 18:41:51 <Patrick`> and socket A is a trooper 18:41:52 <SpComb> the AM2 X2 5000+ costs 400 euros! 18:41:55 <JohnUK89> Just an integrated DDR3 controller 18:41:59 <Patrick`> dual cores are socket compatible 18:42:04 <Patrick`> yeah, ddr straight to ddr3 18:42:05 <Patrick`> sucks 18:42:07 <OwenS> DDR 2 18:42:10 <OwenS> AM2 = DDR2 18:42:13 <OwenS> AM3 = DDR3 18:42:20 <Patrick`> no, they are skipping over ddr2 altogether 18:42:22 <OwenS> S939 could probably be considered "AM1" 18:42:22 <Sacro> X2 4200+ running at single core = 3500+ 18:42:22 <SpComb> no wait, 300 euros 18:42:24 <JohnUK89> OwenS, I was referring to AM3 ;-) 18:42:25 <Patrick`> unless I ead wrong 18:42:29 <OwenS> Patrick`: No they aren't 18:42:33 *** johans_ [~johans@c-fd60e155.1046-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:39 <Patrick`> socket A started with like 600MHz athlons 18:42:39 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a2e.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:42:41 *** znikoz [znikoz@ant-233.ag1.dp.ukrtel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:42:50 <Sacro> oooh, he aint gonna be happy now 18:42:50 <Patrick`> and you can buy 2200+ semprons for it today 18:43:01 <Patrick`> I was TOLD that socket 939 was gonna be like that 18:43:04 <Patrick`> but noOOOoOOoo 18:43:06 <OwenS> http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2688 <- AM2 = DDR2 see 18:43:14 <JohnUK89> Patrick`: there was an Athlon XP 3200+ for it 18:43:16 <Sacro> yep, AM2s use DDR2 18:43:23 <Patrick`> JohnUK89: nice 18:43:25 * orudge grumbles at OwenS 18:43:29 <Patrick`> at least I'll be able to pick up a cheap >4000+ X2 in a few years 18:43:30 * orudge grumbles at mIRC 18:43:31 <Patrick`> nice little booster 18:43:39 <OwenS> Also: "AMD has announced that Socket AM3 processors will be able to run on Socket AM2 motherboards, but not vice-versa (ie: a Socket AM2 chip cannot run on a Socket AM3 motherboard). This is because AM3 processors will have a new memory controller supporting both DDR2 and DDR3 RAM on them, allowing backwards compatibility with AM2 motherboards, but since AM2 processors lack the new memory controller, they will not work on AM3 mo 18:43:40 <Sacro> http://www.warrens-anus.co.uk/ rofl 18:43:40 <Patrick`> and PCIe won't go out of fashion quickly 18:43:46 <Patrick`> and my board supports 4G of ram max 18:43:47 <Sacro> that aint the link i meant... 18:43:49 <Patrick`> so I'll be alriught 18:44:01 <Sacro> http://www.sayagain.co.uk/b3tapix/images/terrorthreat.gif :P 18:44:19 <WolfAngel> Patrick` 4gb ram for a motherboard is... quite standart I think... 18:44:35 <Patrick`> WolfAngel: no, not really 18:44:41 <Patrick`> that's the 32-bit ceiling 18:44:46 <Patrick`> but I have amd64 :( 18:44:46 <SutherlandDK> i love the AMD X2 because that they are so easy to overclock 18:44:55 <OwenS> And we have Athlon _64s_ 18:44:56 <Patrick`> overclocking schmoverclocking 18:44:58 <Patrick`> what's the point 18:45:02 <OwenS> Theoretically much more 18:45:09 <Patrick`> a faster chip will only come out in a week 18:45:34 <Patrick`> I just buy something cheap, pretend I spent the same cheapness on a chip this time last year, and overclocked it 18:45:38 * JohnUK89 hates his Sempron :( 18:45:39 <Patrick`> hey presto, it runs fast and cool 18:45:59 <Patrick`> when I got a k6-3 500, that was actually in my mind a 400 that I'd overclocked 18:46:19 <Patrick`> only not perpetually about to die 18:48:31 <OwenS> http://res1.humgun.com/dust.jpg <- Probably wanna zoom out though. In the heatsink. Left: Dust, Right: Plucked out 18:48:52 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a2e.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:48:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 18:49:17 <SutherlandDK> hehe 18:49:23 <SutherlandDK> wow so much dust 18:49:53 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 18:49:55 <OwenS> JUST 2 years of it... 18:50:01 <SutherlandDK> hehe 18:50:08 <OwenS> My room is too dusty :( 18:50:14 <WolfAngel> wow OwenS don't you camera have auto focus? ^^ 18:50:23 <SutherlandDK> i understand why it wasn't working 18:50:23 <WolfAngel> your* 18:50:28 <OwenS> My camera sucks :P 18:50:31 <WolfAngel> ^^ 18:51:11 <OwenS> My CPU runs cooler now ^^ 18:51:15 <OwenS> And quieter ^^ 18:52:01 <Sacro> Bjarni: wb 18:53:41 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Quit: Darn nnstrip popup in my face!] 18:55:14 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 18:55:46 <OwenS> Hmm, I need a 12v power source 18:56:07 <Sacro> OwenS: yellow line from PSU i think 18:56:17 <OwenS> No, I mean one outside my PC :P 18:56:19 <Sacro> against the black line 18:56:21 *** silent [~pwr@82.78.120.186] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 18:56:23 <Sacro> ah 18:56:25 <SpComb> hotwire your psu! 18:56:35 <OwenS> I wanna power up my old heatsink's fan :P 18:56:43 <OwenS> I am NOT running it off my PC PSU! 18:56:50 <SpComb> then run it off a spare psu 18:56:56 <OwenS> What spare PSU?... 18:57:15 <SutherlandDK> another 18:57:18 <SutherlandDK> psu 18:57:29 <OwenS> I'm not using the one which runs my Winboxen either :P 18:57:55 <SutherlandDK> then take the other one 18:58:10 <JohnUK89> use the one which runs no boxen :P 18:58:19 <OwenS> There isn't one! :P 18:58:28 <JohnUK89> I have a spare one <g> 18:58:30 <SpComb> well, find one! 18:58:34 <SutherlandDK> every one got an extra? 18:58:42 * SpComb knows where he could find a couple ten psus 18:59:05 <OwenS> I threw out the old ones when both PCs started needing 550ws.. :P 18:59:21 <SutherlandDK> yeah but u fan only need 12? 18:59:24 <JohnUK89> Lol 18:59:32 <JohnUK89> I have a 250W one somewhere 19:00:03 <JohnUK89> And my p1 has a 150W PSU :P 19:00:11 <OwenS> lol 19:00:31 <OwenS> http://res1.humgun.com/pict0024.jpg <- Aaaawww :) 19:00:59 <SutherlandDK> ??.. 19:01:04 <OwenS> My cats :P 19:01:13 <SutherlandDK> oh but can only load half of the pic 19:01:20 <OwenS> O.o why? 19:01:44 <WolfAngel> ^^ 19:01:45 *** Tobi4s [~QueenLati@p548A5449.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:01:54 <WolfAngel> lol you walk you cats? 19:01:56 <WolfAngel> ^^ 19:02:02 <SutherlandDK> dunno maybe using all of my bandwits on an other thing 19:02:05 <OwenS> No, theyre in the back garden 19:02:13 <WolfAngel> LOOOL ^^ 19:02:22 <SutherlandDK> american? 19:02:24 <OwenS> Theyre on the leads so they don't run away - We live near a VERY busy road 19:02:26 <OwenS> UK :) 19:02:36 <SutherlandDK> oh oaky :D 19:02:39 <SutherlandDK> okay.. 19:02:41 <WolfAngel> yeah ok... 19:02:43 <WolfAngel> ^^ 19:03:34 <SpComb> how mean, you keep them on leads :o 19:03:36 <SpComb> poor cats :( 19:03:58 <WolfAngel> not realy?... 19:04:01 <OwenS> Better than them running into an excruciatingly busy road 19:04:02 * SpComb has some pictures of the cat at his uncle's farm, free to roam over the countryside as far as he can go... 19:04:07 <SpComb> *they 19:04:14 <SpComb> although one of his cats did get run over :( 19:04:25 <WolfAngel> ^^ 19:04:26 <SpComb> on the 10-cars-per-day road 19:04:44 <OwenS> This is like a 500 per HOUR road 19:04:49 <Sacro> hmm £1200 for my new pc :( 19:04:50 *** MeusH is now known as MeusH[away] 19:05:29 <SpComb> Sacro: with the prices in the UK that's probably a fair monster... 19:06:04 <Sacro> SpComb: AMD X2 4600+, 2GB DDR2 667, 500GB HDD, 7900 GT, Audigy 4 19:06:20 <Sacro> then ill install windows 98, and TTO and be very happy 19:06:27 <WolfAngel> loool? 19:06:28 <SutherlandDK> lol don't buy geforce :P use ati 19:06:28 <WolfAngel> ^^ 19:06:37 <Sacro> SutherlandDK: ill nevar use ATI 19:06:39 <WolfAngel> Go Suther! 19:06:40 <WolfAngel> ^^ 19:06:57 <OwenS> ATi's Linux drivers SUCK 19:06:57 <sayno> ati and intel are the fastest 19:06:57 <SutherlandDK> ALWAYS USE ATI 19:06:57 <Sacro> OwenS: yup 19:06:58 <WolfAngel> and once again... 19:06:59 <Sacro> sayno: nope 19:07:02 <Sacro> SutherlandDK: nope 19:07:05 <sayno> OwenS not true! Im running a x1400 Mobility in linux without a problem 19:07:11 * orudge grumbles 19:07:12 * Sacro engages binary reply mode 19:07:15 <WolfAngel> Sacro is an example on how not to do 19:07:15 <sayno> get quite a bit of fps in ut2k4 19:07:18 <orudge> This is getting very annoying now :( 19:07:21 <OwenS> You have never seen the mess of them on x64 linux... 19:07:24 <Sacro> orudge: whats wrong? 19:07:30 <orudge> mIRC keeps highlighting "OwenS" 19:07:33 <Sacro> ahh, :) 19:07:41 <Sacro> can you not tell it to ignore OwenS ? 19:07:42 <sayno> Sacro: the intel core 2 duo blows away even the fx60, and the ati x1900xtx is insane 19:07:46 <Sacro> or use HydraIRC 19:07:48 <orudge> Not that I can see :( 19:07:48 <OwenS> Set it to highlight "Owen " instead? 19:07:52 <Sacro> sayno: not in games 19:07:54 <SpComb> SutherlandDK: ALWAYS USE NVIDIA! 19:08:00 <orudge> Hmm, "owen " and "owen:" perhaps 19:08:05 <XeryusTC> orudge: you can add OwenS as the first item in your highlight list 19:08:09 <OwenS> NSIST ON nVIDIA 19:08:11 <SutherlandDK> lol 19:08:22 <sayno> yes! Sacro let me get you some benchmarks to prove it, core 2 is about 33% faster than in equally clocked x2 from amd 19:08:27 <XeryusTC> it will ignore all the other Owen highlights then 19:08:34 <sayno> as for the ati x1900, it will be very easy to prove that is faster 19:08:39 <Sacro> sayno: but how much more does the core 2 duo cost 19:08:42 <orudge> Mmh? Well, I want it to ignore OwenS, and highlight the rest 19:08:45 <Sacro> does it have reliaible 64 bit? 19:08:55 <sayno> no games support 64 bit 19:09:01 <sayno> other than farcry and ut2k4 19:09:03 <OwenS> Yes they do! :O 19:09:14 <sayno> 2 mainstream games do 19:09:14 <JohnUK89> OpenTTD does! :-D 19:09:16 <SutherlandDK> hl2 does support 19:09:16 <sayno> lol 19:09:19 <SutherlandDK> 64 bit 19:09:22 <XeryusTC> orudge: you can add it with default settings, you wont notice that it highlighted it then, except from the special text color on the tab 19:09:26 <sayno> on a 64bit OS sutherland 19:09:30 <Sacro> sayno: i didnt say games, i meant Linux 19:09:30 <SutherlandDK> yeah 19:09:33 <orudge> It's the flashing tab that I tend to notice :) 19:09:34 <SutherlandDK> ofcource 19:09:39 <SutherlandDK> hehe :D 19:09:50 <Sacro> orudge: why not use HydraIRC? 19:10:02 <sayno> Sacro, everything is fast in linux, but like it or not, linux is NOT a good gaming OS 19:10:04 <XeryusTC> orudge: that's a problem then 19:10:12 <sayno> Only native apps run comparable to gaming in windows 19:10:17 <OwenS> sanyo: Only because of the lack of games 19:10:18 * JohnUK89 can't wait till tomorrow :P 19:10:22 <Sacro> sayno: with Cedega, it canbe better than windows by miles 19:10:25 <sayno> Exactly Owen 19:10:41 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: System updating, please stand by.] 19:10:47 <OwenS> Lots of us don't play all too many games anyway 19:10:49 <sayno> Sacro, Ive used Cedega and Wine on my lappy, in both I get about 20-40 fps LESS in HL2 based games than in windows 19:11:00 <orudge> Sacro: Never heard of it, but mIRC does the job nicely for me, except for this little irritant 19:11:05 <orudge> Nobody else is allowed to have my name, anyway ;> 19:11:13 <sayno> i averaged 25-35 fps in cedega, and 60-80 in windows 19:11:35 <Sacro> orudge: you cant copyright the name "Owen" 19:11:47 <OwenS> Trademark you mean ;P 19:11:51 <Sacro> sayno: depends on the distro 19:11:51 <sayno> I love linux, its the OS I use daily, but when I need to play a game, I boot windows (unless its nwn or ut2k4) 19:12:08 <orudge> Sacro: And why can't I? ¬_¬ 19:12:20 <Bjarni> [20:22] <Sacro> [19:09] <Wolf01> and twisted guys as sacro <- i aint twisted :( 19:12:20 <Bjarni> [20:22] <Sacro> [19:10] <Bjarni> we keep Sacro as an example of what not to do <- :o 19:12:30 <Bjarni> looks like Sacro was unaware of this role in this channel 19:12:32 <sayno> Sacro do you have a benchmarking utility I could run in linux? Id like to show you what a core duo can do, core 2 is bounds faster 19:12:46 <Sacro> [19:44] * Bjarni has quit (Ping timeout: 480 seconds) <- *giggles* 19:12:58 <Bjarni> yeah, I blame my ISP 19:13:00 <orudge> Hurrah, the second most bandwidth guzzling free site I host has moved away 19:13:10 <Bjarni> every single connection timed out, IRC and non-IRC ones 19:13:14 * Sacro moves pr0n onto zernebok 19:13:18 <OwenS> lol 19:13:32 <OwenS> Sanyo: Your Core2Duo won't beat my Athlon64 at single threaded stuff :P 19:13:37 <Sacro> sayno: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null 19:14:06 <OwenS> Lots of games are majorly all work in one thread 19:14:09 <sayno> OwenS it will, but I dont have Core 2 19:14:14 <sayno> anandtech.com 19:14:17 <sayno> unbiased reviews 19:14:20 <Bjarni> sayno: remember that core duo chips are only great for multithreaded stuff 19:14:29 <Bjarni> which means not OTTD :p 19:14:30 <sayno> look at the p4 get slaughtered, and look at core 2 destroy the a64 in gaming 19:14:36 * GoneWacko moves zernebok onto Sacro 19:14:39 <sayno> no true Bjarni 19:14:45 <Sacro> sayno: from the reviews im reading, its about a 1fps difference 19:14:46 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:14:48 <OwenS> Indeed; The 3D game i'm developing has of it's 3 threads 2 sleeping 99% of the time 19:14:53 <Sacro> GoneWacko: :o thats heavy 19:14:58 <sayno> thats like saying that an athlon x2 is only good multithreaded 19:15:01 <Bjarni> ok, the background tasks on one core and the game on the other one, but still 19:15:02 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:15:03 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:15:13 <Sacro> arrrrrrghh its another mac user 19:15:20 <lws1984> arrrrrrgh indeed 19:15:29 <lws1984> but it also means I have friends in high places 19:15:32 <SutherlandDK> lol not a mac? 19:15:42 <GoneWacko> why not a mac? 19:15:49 <OwenS> $$$ 19:15:50 <SutherlandDK> mac sucks 19:15:53 <Bjarni> I didn't say that they aren't good at singlethreaded stuff, just that they aren't as great at them as they are at multithreaded stuff 19:16:01 <lws1984> yay for Macs! 19:16:16 <Bjarni> what's that about the sudden mac talk? 19:16:17 <lws1984> OwenS: they may be expensive, but I'm currently using a 1989 PowerBook 19:16:24 <lws1984> Sacro started it, Bjarni ;) 19:16:29 <OwenS> 1989? They didn't exist back then! 19:16:30 <sayno> http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=832&cid=1 19:16:32 <OwenS> If I had to go for a multi core, i'd go for a Sun UltraSPARC T1 Niagra ^^ 19:16:38 <SutherlandDK> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6553260189868317794&q=mac+sucks 19:16:40 <sayno> ^^ core 2 duo beating a faster clocked fx-60 19:16:45 <Bjarni> the first PowerBook is the pb100 and it's from 1991 19:16:48 * Bjarni had one 19:16:50 <Sacro> lws1984: lies 19:16:57 <lws1984> 1991? hmm.. oh yes, you're right 19:16:59 <lws1984> my memory's bad 19:17:01 <Bjarni> 1989 only offered the mac portable 19:17:03 <OwenS> I wonder how much faster "K10" will be 19:17:03 <lws1984> with dates 19:17:09 <lws1984> no, it's not a mac portable 19:17:26 * lws1984 checks the bottom of his PB100 19:17:28 <lws1984> yeah, 1991 19:17:35 <Sacro> in 1989 not a lot was portable 19:17:37 *** Apach [~Miranda@net135-138.4web.pl] has joined #openttd 19:17:42 <Sacro> i was though] 19:17:43 <sayno> Sacro how long should I wait for that command to finish 19:17:45 <Wolf01> cp -a-b something_right sacro_brain 19:17:47 <OwenS> 8 core w00t (Niagra) 19:17:47 <lws1984> Sacro: in 1989, portable was a relative term 19:17:48 <Bjarni> ... 19:17:54 *** JohnUK89_ [~admin@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 19:18:00 <JohnUK89_> Bah 19:18:00 <SutherlandDK> ill have to go guys ill check in here an other time.. now ill just wanna test Whax 3.0 19:18:04 * Sacro posts on bash.org 19:18:06 <Wolf01> oh sorry, there is nothing to backup 19:18:07 <Bjarni> why do I have to tell lws1984 when he got his computer? 19:18:17 <OwenS> lol 19:18:18 <lws1984> because I'm on the phone with my girlfriend 19:18:23 <Bjarni> ahh 19:18:28 <lws1984> otherwise I'm an excellent Mac historian 19:18:35 <Bjarni> universal excuse for saying silly stuff on IRC :) 19:18:36 <lws1984> being born in 1976 helps :p 19:18:45 * JohnUK89_ sets Cedega going :P 19:18:47 <lws1984> Bjarni: it's true, I am actually talking to her :p 19:18:55 <Bjarni> sure 19:19:04 <lws1984> gah, i'm getting :p-obsessed 19:19:23 <Patrick`> mmm... p... 19:19:30 <Patrick`> JohnUK89_: try the game in straight wine 19:19:32 <JohnUK89_> pieeeee? 19:19:33 <Bjarni> lws1984 got a p problem 19:19:44 <Wolf01> where's richk? miniIN needs a sync with trunk, i can't live without the extended build on slopes :O 19:19:46 <Patrick`> JohnUK89_: it's improved a lot on direct3d support in the last few weeks 19:19:46 <lws1984> *snicker* 19:19:48 <Patrick`> months 19:20:09 *** SutherlandDK [applet@0x57346bec.naenxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 19:20:14 <JohnUK89_> Patrick`: I'm downloading it as a preperation for if it doesn't work (I'm only installing linux tomorrow) 19:20:32 <Patrick`> JohnUK89_: but ... cedega costs money 19:20:41 <Patrick`> they are also total and utter cocks 19:20:44 <JohnUK89_> Patrick`: :P 19:20:45 <Patrick`> so I endorse piracy. 19:20:57 <Patrick`> seriously, they're just ... cocks 19:21:05 * Bjarni raises Jolly Roger and robs Patrick` 19:21:16 <OwenS> O.o 19:21:18 <Patrick`> all that subscription money goes on schmoozing corporate partners into using them to port games 19:21:19 <Bjarni> you just said you endorse it 19:21:23 * JohnUK89_ can't be described as someone who likes to pay for stuff 19:21:25 <OwenS> "On this day 1961 - Construction of the Berlin Wall, a long barrier separating West Berlin from East Berlin and the surrounding territory of East Germany, began." 19:21:50 <Patrick`> JohnUK89_: a lot of the classics just work in linux 19:22:03 <Patrick`> deus ex, SS2, soldier of fortune 2 19:22:06 <Patrick`> all great games 19:22:11 <Apach> hello all :) 19:22:16 <JohnUK89_> Patrick`: yeah, worth having Cedega here though, just in case 19:22:18 <OwenS> System Shock! :O 19:22:22 <Patrick`> JohnUK89_: aye 19:22:24 *** JohnUK89 [~admin@149.254.200.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:22:25 <Apach> enyone knows good sites about ottd ? 19:22:33 <Bjarni> OwenS: so today DDR is celebrating how they got a wall to protect them against random shooting from BRD? 19:22:34 <Patrick`> Apach: the forum 19:22:37 *** JohnUK89_ is now known as JohnUK89 19:22:40 <Apach> :) 19:22:43 <Apach> only 19:22:45 <Bjarni> Apach: also the wiki 19:22:49 <Patrick`> problem with single instances of cedega is that they break backwards compatibility a LOT 19:23:01 <Patrick`> you'll end up needing to "aquire" 10 or 20 versions 19:23:02 <Apach> is there any strategies ? 19:23:04 <OwenS> Oh very true 19:23:10 <Patrick`> they are also cocks 19:23:18 <JohnUK89> Patrick`: damn 19:23:22 * Sacro whistles nonchalently http://www.qdb.us/64160 19:23:28 <JohnUK89> I'll download WINE too :) 19:23:34 <Patrick`> all they've done since they lifted the entire wine codebase without contributing back is add in copy protection support 19:23:41 <Patrick`> which I guess you wouldn't need anyway 19:23:47 <Patrick`> and specific hacks to make specific games run 19:23:49 <JohnUK89> Nah lol 19:23:54 <Patrick`> like steam and CSS, they keep that working 19:23:55 <Patrick`> and WoW 19:24:02 <Patrick`> but they keep breaking-and-fixing 19:24:06 <Sacro> JohnUK89: thought you only had 56k 19:24:08 <JohnUK89> I just need windows apps to run, and I don't play crap like WoW 19:24:13 <Patrick`> goood, good 19:24:15 <JohnUK89> Sacro: I do :P 19:24:19 <Patrick`> regular ol' apps are fine in wine 19:24:20 <JohnUK89> Well...GPRS 19:24:21 <OwenS> JohnUK89: What apps? 19:24:28 <Patrick`> make sure you have the latest, like 0.9.18 or 0.9.19 19:24:40 <Patrick`> not your distro version, even 2 months is a hundred more fixes 19:24:51 <OwenS> Patrick`: Oh, very true! 19:24:55 <Patrick`> oh, and check appdb.winehq.com for if there are entries for your programs 19:24:55 <JohnUK89> OwenS: I'll take a look at me drive :P 19:25:04 <OwenS> Particularly don't use Debian or Ubuntus! 19:25:15 <Patrick`> well, wine has its own deb repos so it wasn't an issue 19:25:18 <Patrick`> ubuntu was waaay old 19:25:21 <Patrick`> (I'm on dapper) 19:25:29 <JohnUK89> Got a game here called Live For Speed...Windows only...and I PAID for that lol 19:25:30 <OwenS> Fedoras is les bad, but I run WINE source anyway :P 19:25:49 <Patrick`> yeah 19:25:50 <Sacro> JohnUK89: i WANT that game 19:25:54 <Patrick`> I have like 5 games I paid for 19:25:56 <OwenS> O.o I havem't bought any games in about a year 19:25:59 <Patrick`> and about half of them run 19:26:03 <JohnUK89> Sacro: it's fantastic :-D 19:26:15 <OwenS> Locomotion was my last... What a dissappointment! 19:26:26 <Patrick`> halflife 2, X3, beyond good and evil, dungeon keeper 1 which doesn't fucking WORK ON WINE AND ITS LIKE TEN YEARS OLD GRAR 19:26:29 <OwenS> (I don't play any games: None of my software is pirated) 19:26:30 <Patrick`> and MDK2 19:26:39 <OwenS> DK1 is a DOS game! 19:26:40 <OwenS> IIRC 19:26:40 <Patrick`> OwenS: welcome to openttd, the game 19:26:49 <OwenS> Hehe, I played OpenTTD first :P 19:26:49 <Patrick`> OwenS: ... I've owned it since like 1999, I know 19:26:53 <Patrick`> there are win95 and dos ports 19:27:02 <Patrick`> the dos one runs under dosemu and dosbox VERY VERY SLOWLY 19:27:03 <OwenS> Run the DOS version in DOSBox :P 19:27:07 <GoneWacko> last game I bought was Diablo 2, but that was like 3 months ago :p 19:27:07 <OwenS> Oh 19:27:10 <Patrick`> VERY GOD DAMN SLOW 19:27:14 <OwenS> Increase the tickcount or something 19:27:21 <Patrick`> yes I know how to bloody use dosbox 19:27:22 <OwenS> (Whatever TF it's called :P) 19:27:37 <Patrick`> dosbox on the fastest single core today runs as fast as a 486 19:27:41 <Patrick`> which isn't fast enough 19:27:44 <OwenS> DK2 doesn't work either IIRC (And DK2 is MUCH better anyway) 19:27:51 <Patrick`> FTS 19:28:01 <Patrick`> the only thing DK2 had better was dragging areas 19:28:01 <OwenS> FTS? 19:28:05 <Patrick`> fark that shiat 19:28:16 <OwenS> I prefered it :P 19:28:17 <Patrick`> DK1 is like the perfect game apart from 25 clicks to lay a single room 19:28:25 <OwenS> Yeah, thats annoying 19:28:38 <Patrick`> I've seriously considered starting an OSS clone like ottd started 19:28:39 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:28:41 <Patrick`> JUST to fix that 19:29:11 <OwenS> I can remember the one time on DK2 I killed everyone, left all my imps mining some gemstones and came back in the morning with my cash in the negative :( 19:29:13 *** MeusH[away] is now known as MeusH 19:29:18 <OwenS> Damn overflow... 19:29:21 <Patrick`> lol integer overflow'd 19:29:29 <Patrick`> (hi everyone, I'm patrick and I'm opinionated and loud) 19:29:37 <Patrick`> you'd never get that in DK1, since gold is worth less. 19:29:39 <hylje> you suck 19:30:21 <OwenS> Patrick`: If your looking for a 3D engine, Ogre and Irrlicht are good :) 19:30:23 <Patrick`> also, imps in DK2 lag. if you deselect a bit of wall for digging, they'll still dig it 19:31:18 <Bjarni> * Sacro whistles nonchalently http://www.qdb.us/64160 <-- good one. I actually missed that one when it happened :D 19:32:43 <Sacro> Bjarni: hehe 19:32:45 <hylje> hah 19:32:54 <Sacro> the other fun command is "ls `yes` 19:32:55 <Sacro> " 19:33:08 <lws1984> hehe 19:33:20 * Sacro wonders who will try it first 19:33:25 <OwenS> lol 19:33:34 <OwenS> I ran that in my head :P 19:33:46 <MeusH> I would, but I think it would be better to google for ls and make linux working 19:33:47 <Patrick`> oops 19:33:51 <Patrick`> it crashes 19:34:12 <Bjarni> well, I tried this one... sort of 19:34:14 <Sacro> Patrick`: what does? 19:34:14 <Bjarni> man yes 19:34:21 <Bjarni> didn't know that command 19:34:31 <Sacro> hehe 19:34:38 <Bjarni> sounds like you can make a lot of fun out of it 19:34:42 <Bjarni> :) 19:34:55 <hylje> yes is quite pointless but i see some uses for that 19:35:04 <Bjarni> $ man no 19:35:04 <Bjarni> No manual entry for no 19:35:11 <Bjarni> so you can't stop it again XD 19:35:20 <Bjarni> except if you know linux, that is 19:35:27 <hylje> ^C 19:35:28 <hylje> :< 19:35:30 <OwenS> killall -s9 bash (Since it's a bash builtin IIRC) 19:35:34 <OwenS> ^C doesn't work 19:35:38 <hylje> it does 19:35:39 <Bjarni> don't tell the n00bs :p 19:35:41 <Sacro> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/snd 19:35:46 <OwenS> Didn't for me :P 19:35:47 <OwenS> ROFL! 19:35:49 <Bjarni> lol 19:35:50 <hylje> Sacro: now thats evil 19:36:01 <Bjarni> Sacro: if I try that one, will you buy me new speakers? 19:36:01 <hylje> OwenS: well it doesnt catch it at once 19:36:11 <Sacro> Bjarni: doesnt kill the speakers 19:36:28 <Bjarni> you send random data to the speakers, right? 19:36:44 <Sacro> yeah, just sounds terrible 19:36:45 <hylje> yep 19:36:52 <Sacro> kinda like a 56k modem gone wrong 19:36:57 <Bjarni> random = not sine shaped 19:36:59 <Triffid_Hunter> it's called white noise 19:37:19 <Bjarni> non sine shaped waves sent to the speakers are potientally dangerous 19:37:37 <OwenS> > /dev/dsp would work more often :P 19:37:39 <Triffid_Hunter> pink noise (white + a -3db per octave filter) is much more pleasant to the ear 19:37:40 <Sacro> Triffid_Hunter: surely thats cat /dev/zero > /dev/snd 19:37:44 <Bjarni> you risk moving the menbrane too far out or make too fast shifts in direction of travelling 19:37:46 <Sacro> BROWN NOISE :D 19:37:58 <Patrick`> Bjarni: isn't ALL noise non-sine? 19:38:03 <Bjarni> as a result, you can make mechanical damage in it 19:38:07 <Patrick`> dev/zero would do nothing 19:38:08 <Sacro> i never knew that 19:38:13 <Patrick`> the speakers would just move right in and stop 19:38:24 <Sacro> OH WOW 19:38:26 <Triffid_Hunter> Patrick`: no.. noise can be defined as any unwanted signal -- mains hum is considered noise, yet it's very sinusoidal ;) 19:38:30 <Sacro> yes > /dev/snd 19:39:08 <OwenS> rofl 19:39:20 <MeusH> so dev/urandom contains random data? 19:39:31 <Bjarni> well, since it's random data, you risk making sudden shifts in the movement in the speakers, which can both harm them and downright break them 19:39:36 <Patrick`> MeusH: yeah 19:39:47 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-148-243.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:39:47 <exe> square waves are most dangerous? 19:39:53 <Patrick`> not /dev/random 19:39:54 <hylje> MeusH: it doesnt contain it, just generates it when read from 19:40:00 <Patrick`> since that's a small pool of genuinely random data 19:40:07 <Patrick`> urandom is just a big stream of pseudorandom 19:40:16 <OwenS> Actually, /dev/urandom exhausts /dev/random first 19:40:28 <MeusH> okay, thanks 19:40:43 <Patrick`> OwenS: that doesn't seem sensible 19:40:53 <Patrick`> the entropy put into making random was carefully gathered 19:41:01 <Patrick`> it wouldn't crap it away on a shred command 19:41:04 *** Nizzy [~chatzilla@chello080108056016.15.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 19:41:06 <Patrick`> maybe it pulls seeds from there 19:41:44 * Nizzy manages a slight bow 19:41:54 <hylje> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp 19:42:19 <Nizzy> I doubt that's a good idea (: 19:42:21 <JohnUK89> Is downloading at 6k a second usual for 56k? 19:42:23 <JohnUK89> Lol 19:42:34 <Bjarni> yes 19:42:42 <Bjarni> 56/8 is not a lot 19:42:56 <JohnUK89> I NEVER get that lol...I max at 4 normally :P 19:42:57 <Bjarni> in fact it's 7 19:43:17 <Bjarni> as a theoretical max 19:43:29 <JohnUK89> Yeah 19:43:35 * Sacro goes out 19:43:37 <JohnUK89> I just wasnt expecting to get 6 19:43:39 <JohnUK89> :P 19:43:49 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-211-205.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:49 <JohnUK89> Sacro: cya lol enjoy the rain :P 19:44:02 <Nizzy> Can anyone tell me where to get tables/strings.h? Compiler complains ): 19:44:10 <Bjarni> <JohnUK89> I NEVER get that lol...I max at 4 normally :P <-- if the modem detected problems connecting, it tried to reduce speed because lower speed is less sensitive to noise, so if you had poor phonelines.... 19:44:30 <JohnUK89> Bjarni: well I'm using GPRS at the moment...so heh 19:44:47 <Bjarni> disconnecting all phones in the house when connecting with the modem could have helped since some (specially old) phones generate a lot of noise just by being connected 19:45:18 <Bjarni> I know of a place where an old phone got unplugged because it was so noisy that it jammed the ADSL line 19:45:28 <Bjarni> now that's noisy 19:45:33 <JohnUK89> Lol 19:45:39 <OwenS> I'm going to ADSL soon... 19:45:43 <Bjarni> because they don't work on the same frequencies :D 19:46:16 <Bjarni> it was so noisy that it jammed signals way outside it's frequency area 19:46:19 <Zr40> GPRS uses a data channel anyway instead of a voice channel, so the available bandwidth is already optimal 19:46:24 <OwenS> Frequencies repeat themselves anyway... 19:46:26 <Patrick`> microfilters 19:47:00 <OwenS> Would probably not have helped if it was repetition 19:47:00 <JohnUK89> Zr40: yeah, but that doesn't stop noise ;-) 19:47:16 <Zr40> indeed, but because GPRS uses data channels, it's got error correction 19:47:16 <OwenS> A 1mHz signal repeats at 2, 3, 4, etc... 19:47:49 <OwenS> Bjarni: Are we likely to have space to store large ammounts of data when we get the new map array? 19:47:58 <JohnUK89> Zr40: yeah, would still slow it down slightly as it tries to figure out what it's been sent 19:48:26 <Zr40> slightly, yep. which is way better than regular analog 56K ;) 19:48:31 <Bjarni> <OwenS> Bjarni: Are we likely to have space to store large ammounts of data when we get the new map array? <-- if we like, we can store 10 kb if we like. That's a bad idea on 2048x2048 maps though 19:48:39 <JohnUK89> Indeed :P 19:48:52 <OwenS> It's cause i'd like to make Lua scriptable signals :P 19:49:23 <Bjarni> sounds like a GPMI project 19:49:26 <OwenS> Heh 19:49:39 <OwenS> Another option iv'e been thinking about is storing everything as a 1 entry in the save file and referencing it by tile ID 19:49:39 <JohnUK89> Right I'll brb :) 19:50:11 <Bjarni> I'm not really sure about this 19:50:24 <Bjarni> making a lua script, that needs to store stuff in the savegames? 19:50:47 <OwenS> You press a button or something and you can type in your code to script the signal :P 19:50:47 <Bjarni> can't you just make it recalculate that data on load? 19:51:00 <OwenS> Noo 19:51:04 <Bjarni> there is a function that is called after the savegame is loaded to calculate data, that's not saved 19:51:07 <OwenS> I mean people can script their own signals 19:51:45 <OwenS> Another option would just be to store a .lua file in the game directory :P 19:52:01 <OwenS> And some form of function lookup in game 19:52:10 <JohnUK89> OwenS: if only we could...would make life easier :P 19:52:53 <hylje> OwenS: ive been craving after scriptable signals for a while now 19:52:57 <Patrick`> yeah 19:53:01 <Nizzy> Oh sorry I've had to do something. Has someone answered my question and could repeat it? (: 19:53:04 <Patrick`> so I could finally do binary load-balancers 19:53:06 <hylje> OwenS: so consider your quest worth the while 19:53:18 <Patrick`> problem is that there are so many signals it would make some serious overhead 19:53:22 <OwenS> Patrick`: As in, swap after each train? 19:53:28 <Patrick`> yeah 19:53:43 <Patrick`> perhaps add some user-definable signal types and then calculate the behaviour from scripts one-off 19:53:44 <OwenS> Look at my NAND patch, which this would replace 19:53:46 <Patrick`> then do all the logic 19:54:08 <Patrick`> see, moving anything like that out of C would just destroy performance 19:54:15 <glx> Nizzy: which compiler? 19:54:16 <Patrick`> mm, nand patch 19:54:21 <OwenS> Signals aren't recalculated 30 times per seccond :P 19:54:30 <OwenS> I'd prefer to just shove the Lua engine in there: It's light weight, fast and the language is simple 19:54:31 <Patrick`> no, but the behaviour 19:54:34 <Nizzy> The windows version of GCC with Code::Block 19:54:34 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:54:45 <hylje> OwenS: shoehorn python into there while you're at it 19:54:56 <OwenS> hylje: Ive never liked Python :P 19:55:00 <Patrick`> if you could script signals in an extensible way then there'd need to be some totally cool and awesome way of the code optimising that 19:55:11 <Patrick`> you don't want to be calling the script every time a train goes near a signal 19:55:28 <OwenS> Patrick`: One possibility is store a lookup of previous values 19:55:35 <OwenS> Like: 3 green, 3 red, result was red 19:55:43 <glx> Nizzy: I don't know how to use this gcc (I'm using mingw+msys), but you need to compile strgen and langfiles to get table/strings.h 19:55:54 <Patrick`> or just incorporate enough different signal types to make a turing-complete layout 19:56:01 <Patrick`> without using trains like the old signal-logic systems 19:56:03 <Nizzy> glx: Oh.. I'll try that (: Thanks 19:56:05 <OwenS> Patrick`: Thats somewhat messy :) 19:56:12 <Patrick`> not really 19:56:32 <Patrick`> you only need a certain small number 19:56:36 <OwenS> Once it's done the lookup the first time you have no more problems :) 19:56:37 <Patrick`> the actual implementation might be bad 19:56:45 <OwenS> No; I mean unused track messy 19:56:54 <Patrick`> it'd be something like verilog 19:57:00 <Patrick`> sounds like a lot of work 19:57:17 <OwenS> Scriptable signals would be relatively easy once the saving is done 19:57:19 <OwenS> Lua's API rocks 19:57:45 <hylje> and scriptable signals are less useful if you can't identify certain signals 19:58:12 <OwenS> Prehaps 19:58:18 <OwenS> Sign it :P 19:58:19 <Patrick`> still, sounds like a lot of overhead 19:58:26 <hylje> better than nothing 19:58:30 <OwenS> Only the first time a specific condition is met 19:58:44 <MeusH> http://www.qdb.us/51570 :) 19:58:47 <Patrick`> and how do you know when it's been met subsequent times? 19:58:54 <Patrick`> by monitoring extra information about the signal 19:58:55 <OwenS> Look it up in an array 19:59:36 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Quitting...] 20:00:35 <Bjarni> wow, I just found a new feature in google earth. You can make it view stuff from different angles (not just top down) and then it will use the height data to make a 3D landscape. Now mountains looks really cool 20:00:44 <hylje> o rly? 20:00:50 <Bjarni> and likely you all knew this already :p 20:00:52 <OwenS> ya rly :P 20:01:32 *** Apach [~Miranda@net135-138.4web.pl] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Back in my day we'd feel lucky if we had two wheels, let alone a whole bike :) 20:51:00 <Patrick`> and we had to carry the wheels on our back 20:51:05 <JohnUK89> edeca: pc steering wheel ;-) 20:51:11 <Patrick`> uphill both ways in the snow for 26 hours a day 20:51:37 <JohnUK89> I can't play Live or Speed :[ 20:51:41 <JohnUK89> For* 20:54:03 *** MeusH is now known as MeusH[away] 20:54:21 *** magus_x [~magus@201.14.240.161] has joined #openttd 20:56:39 <edeca> Patrick`: You got the snow? I had to contend with the fires of hell :) 20:59:06 <magus_x> lol 20:59:36 <JohnUK89> I had the hills...and more hills...and MORE hills 20:59:44 <hylje> :o 21:00:18 <JohnUK89> And then I had a mountain... 21:07:54 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 21:08:04 <Wolf01> 'night 21:08:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host138-239.pool878.interbusiness.it] has quit [Quit: e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro] 21:09:42 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:11:45 *** MeusH[away] is now known as MeusH 21:13:15 <Patrick`> when I were a lad, mountains were steep 21:13:16 *** DarkSSH [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 21:13:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o DarkSSH] by ChanServ 21:13:21 *** DarkSSH is now known as Darkvater 21:13:21 <Patrick`> you were lucky if it were vertical 21:13:27 <Darkvater> yes I was 21:13:44 <Patrick`> usually I had to carry milk tureens up overhanging cliffs just to make enough money to make nothing 21:14:11 <JohnUK89> Hehe 21:15:51 *** NoNick [Miranda@s01i38-0654.no.powertech.net] has joined #openttd 21:16:46 *** DarkSSH [~tfarago@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 21:16:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o DarkSSH] by ChanServ 21:18:49 *** DarkSSH [~tfarago@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 21:18:53 <Darkvater> there 21:18:57 <Darkvater> that shouldda work 21:21:27 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:23:21 *** Sutherland [~Sutherlan@0x5731df06.naenxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:23:36 <Sutherland> hello >D 21:24:17 <Sutherland> ? wow quiet... 21:24:27 * lws1984 turns the radio up 21:24:36 <Sutherland> hehe 21:25:00 * Sacro turns lws1984 on 21:25:15 <ln-> this channel is not about wow 21:25:32 <Sutherland> erhm... okay? 21:25:58 <Sutherland> any of u know anything about Whax? 21:26:01 <magus_x> lol 21:26:07 <magus_x> wow sucks 21:26:13 <magus_x> ttd owns 21:26:13 <magus_x> lol 21:26:20 <hylje> wow ttd owns 21:26:25 <Sutherland> yeah love ttd 21:26:46 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N877P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:26:51 <Sutherland> can i play ttd on whax? 21:26:56 <Sacro> whax? 21:27:00 <Sutherland> whax 21:27:06 <Sacro> whax on, whax off... 21:27:11 <Sutherland> hehe 21:27:19 <Sutherland> google on whax or.... whoppix 21:27:32 <Sacro> just have done 21:27:35 <Sacro> its linux, should be ok 21:27:38 <magus_x> whax, hax, cheater 21:27:44 <magus_x> lol 21:27:49 <Sutherland> whax like wHAX 21:27:58 <Sutherland> but not cheater 21:28:31 <Sutherland> ill never cheat 21:28:43 <magus_x> Whax is a distro? 21:28:52 <Sutherland> yeah 21:28:54 <Sacro> distribution 21:29:10 <magus_x> cool 21:29:19 <magus_x> the name remember me knoppix 21:29:26 <Sutherland> but pretty hard to download if u ask me only found one torrent with it the rest are broken download links 21:29:45 <Sutherland> yeah it is knoppix but with a lot hack tools 21:29:57 <magus_x> LOL 21:30:01 <Sutherland> but i just wanna play ttd 21:30:13 <magus_x> well 21:30:28 <magus_x> download 3d drivers, configure alsa, get x working and you are ok 21:30:45 <Sutherland> x? 21:30:47 <MeusH> bye 21:30:48 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:30:52 <OwenS> You don't need 3D drivers for OpenTTD 21:30:55 <OwenS> X11 21:30:56 <magus_x> x11 21:31:06 <magus_x> OwenS, : but is always good have them installed 21:31:10 <magus_x> x) 21:31:17 <OwenS> True 21:31:19 <TrueLight> so, it should in fact be: 21:31:22 <TrueLight> install a anti-virus 21:31:24 <TrueLight> install a firewall 21:31:27 <TrueLight> install a ... 21:31:29 <Sutherland> sry im a bit of a newbie to linux i wish that i where very good.. but i aint.. cry cry 21:31:29 <OwenS> On Linux? :P 21:31:31 <TrueLight> install OpenTTD 21:31:32 <TrueLight> and play :p 21:31:36 <magus_x> LOL 21:31:40 <magus_x> Sutherland, : well 21:31:40 <OwenS> There are no Linux viruses... 21:31:43 <TrueLight> even on linux... the first cross-platform viruses are there 21:31:49 <TrueLight> OwenS: sure, nice dreamworld you are living in 21:31:50 <magus_x> Sutherland, : im using linux from a week ago 21:31:52 <OwenS> There were only 2 and they were proof of concept 21:31:57 <magus_x> im liking it alot 21:31:58 <Sutherland> cool 21:32:06 <magus_x> if you are new on linux 21:32:10 <magus_x> i suggests ubuntu 21:32:10 <TrueLight> OwenS: so that indeeds make Linux a virus-less system 21:32:14 <magus_x> :) 21:32:18 <TrueLight> they were just proof of concept.... 21:32:25 <TrueLight> t 21:32:25 <OwenS> And didn't have spreaidng code 21:32:37 <Sutherland> i got ubuntu but my VMware will not install it... 21:32:42 <magus_x> Sutherland, : try ubuntu, its a very good and easy distro 21:32:44 <OwenS> They just demonstrated some (now fixed) vunerabilities which allowed a normal user to gain root (IIRC) 21:32:45 <Sacro> OwenS: there is a virus, to show it type 'su -C "rm -fr /"' :) 21:32:49 <magus_x> ah, VMware 21:32:51 <OwenS> :P 21:33:09 <magus_x> i thought you was installing it natively, not on VMWare 21:33:09 <TrueLight> http://clamav-du.securesites.net/cgi-bin/clamgrok?virus=linux&search-type=contains&case-sensitivity=No&database=daily&database=main&display=database&display=virus&.submit=Verzoek+verzenden&.cgifields=database&.cgifields=case-sensitivity&.cgifields=search-type&.cgifields=display <- no linux viruses.... 21:33:27 <TrueLight> so keep on using your linux machine without a virusscanner..... keep on dreaming :) 21:33:49 <magus_x> linux viruses? i never heard about one 21:34:01 <magus_x> ah 21:34:03 <TrueLight> check url, there are like 30 listed :p 21:34:07 *** Guest56 [Gono@N842P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:10 <TrueLight> Lately I have more problems with trojans.... 21:34:18 <magus_x> and are 1 for 1000000 windows viruses 21:34:19 <TrueLight> coming in via stupid-written php scripts 21:34:22 <orudge> Aargh, more OwenSes 21:34:25 <orudge> Indeed, they are most annoying 21:34:25 *** sayno [~sayno@ip67-88-107-227.z107-88-67.customer.algx.net] has joined #openttd 21:34:31 * orudge is the only Owen in this part of town! 21:34:31 <magus_x> so, antivirus not needed imo 21:34:36 <TrueLight> hehe, orudge knows all about it :) 21:34:50 <Sacro> orudge: the only owen in the village 21:34:54 <TrueLight> magus_x: my advise: scan your files once a week with clamav or something 21:34:57 <TrueLight> never hurts 21:35:01 <TrueLight> makes sure your system stays clean 21:35:08 <TrueLight> viruses _will_ come 21:35:12 <TrueLight> and _will_ be harmful 21:35:28 <TrueLight> don't live in a dreamworld, loss of data aint worth it :) 21:35:44 <OwenS> Well, I never caught one running as an administrator on Windows for 5 years, my chances running as a restricted user on Linux are much lower :P 21:36:11 <TrueLight> pff, my windows servers filter about 1000 virusses a day 21:36:17 <OwenS> lol 21:36:25 <Sutherland> what? u never caught one in 5 yeas on windows damned u must be lucky 21:36:28 <TrueLight> and the restricted WINDOWS users are good for about 20% of that 21:36:34 <glx> my brother got blaster while downloading antivirus and firewall 21:36:39 <TrueLight> most likely the most luckiest person of the world :p 21:36:44 <magus_x> blaster, man i hated it 21:36:47 <OwenS> No, I just know what not to do :P 21:36:53 <Sutherland> lol blaster is to easy 21:36:55 <magus_x> "Your computer needs to be shutdown in 30 seconds" 21:36:57 <OwenS> Using IE to surf is the first thing not to do :P 21:37:02 <TrueLight> OwenS: everyone had problems with blaster 21:37:09 <magus_x> shutdown -a 21:37:10 <OwenS> I did at one point 21:37:12 <magus_x> =o 21:37:14 <NoNick> i got 1 virus in 10y.. and that was just funny to experience the stuff all the online newspapers were talking about at the time :-) 21:37:15 <Sutherland> shutdown a 21:37:18 <TrueLight> magus_x: yeah :p 21:37:21 <Sutherland> cant write minus 21:37:21 <OwenS> AND I was running a up to date AV, thinking of it 21:37:25 <TrueLight> I remember I had PONG :) 21:37:35 <NoNick> on a windows system 21:37:37 <magus_x> PONG 21:37:37 <magus_x> lol 21:37:40 <Sutherland> iloveyou hehe what a virus name 21:37:42 <OwenS> But my ISP cut off everyone which had it so I noticed immediately :P 21:37:47 <TrueLight> OwenS: so you clearly never read the virus description... no AV could help you in that case 21:38:01 <OwenS> Oh yeah. It's a while ;) 21:38:03 <TrueLight> PONG was incredible fun :) 21:38:04 <TrueLight> but okay 21:38:06 <TrueLight> enough blabla 21:38:07 <TrueLight> night all 21:38:09 <TrueLight> I am on a holiday 21:38:11 <OwenS> I think MS hadn't released the patch :P 21:38:11 <TrueLight> back friday :) 21:38:13 <magus_x> what PONG does? 21:38:13 <OwenS> Night TL :) 21:38:18 <magus_x> ( the virus ) 21:38:18 <magus_x> lol 21:38:21 <TrueLight> pong started the pong game on your compuer 21:38:22 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:38:23 <TrueLight> in DOS 21:38:26 <TrueLight> really amuzing :) 21:38:28 <TrueLight> but bye :) 21:38:35 *** JohnUK89 [~admin@149.254.200.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:38:38 <magus_x> LOL 21:38:46 <Sutherland> owens do u know anything about whax? 21:38:58 <OwenS> Nope 21:39:00 <OwenS> I run Fedora 21:39:11 <Brianetta> In a deathmatch server, is it wrong for the admin to kick some guy who dared to buy a spot of land in the middle of a station that the admin was redesigning? 21:39:12 <OwenS> And have previously ran CentOS and Debian 21:39:20 <orudge> OwenS: Could I pay you £5 to change your nickname to OweenS or something? ¬_¬ 21:39:22 <magus_x> Sutherland, : man, get courage, format your computer and install ubuntu x) 21:39:25 <Sacro> Brianetta: no 21:39:29 <Brianetta> In my defence, I did not exterminate his company (: 21:39:31 <OwenS> orudge: Nope :P 21:39:33 <Sacro> Brianetta: oh, yes, it is wrong 21:39:35 <orudge> :( 21:39:49 <OwenS> Set Owen not to highlight? :P 21:39:56 <magus_x> Sutherland, : but, there are programs to resize partitions 21:39:57 <Sutherland> hehe magus x ill just install it on one of my other pcs 21:40:01 <Sacro> magus_x: noooooooo, not Eughbuntu 21:40:10 <magus_x> Sutherland, : so you could use them to install linux without losing windows 21:40:14 <orudge> OwenS: But then I'll miss people actually wanting me ¬_ 21:40:20 <magus_x> Sacro: i use it, im new on linux :| 21:40:27 <Sacro> orudge: oh well :P 21:40:28 <OwenS> orudge: Use a better IRC client :P 21:40:35 <orudge> mIRC is fine otherwies 21:40:38 * orudge grumbles 21:40:38 <orudge> sigh. 21:40:39 <Sutherland> owens do u run fedora core 4 or 5 21:40:42 <OwenS> 5 21:41:14 <Sutherland> there are a lot of bugs in 5 if u dont update 21:41:25 <OwenS> I update :) 21:41:33 *** JohnUK89 [~admin@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 21:41:41 *** Ammler [~marcel@116-245.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 21:41:47 <Sutherland> hehe good idea 21:42:01 <Sutherland> do u play any games on fedora? 21:42:38 <OwenS> OpenTTD :P 21:42:48 <Sutherland> hehe nay other? 21:42:51 <Sutherland> any 21:42:57 <OwenS> Nah; I (ironically) have an XBox for that :P 21:43:07 <magus_x> ROCK PAPER SCISSORS 21:43:11 <magus_x> LOL 21:43:12 <Sutherland> hehe i hate consoles 21:43:25 <magus_x> Sutherland, : welcome to the club, i hate too 21:43:32 <OwenS> O.o why? 21:43:35 <Sutherland> but i love the xbox 21:43:48 <Sutherland> because u can install linux 21:43:51 <OwenS> I wanna get MechWarrior and use MechInstaller :P 21:43:56 <hylje> :D 21:43:57 <magus_x> lol 21:44:07 <magus_x> you can install linux even in one GBA 21:44:07 <magus_x> lol 21:44:15 <OwenS> or DS :P 21:44:26 <magus_x> or windows in a PSP 21:44:30 <magus_x> =p 21:44:31 <OwenS> Emulated Windows 21:44:36 <hylje> :D 21:44:38 <magus_x> yup 21:44:39 <OwenS> That doesn't count :P 21:44:44 <magus_x> a shit but works 21:44:46 <OwenS> And would suck on a 333mHz processor 21:44:48 <magus_x> LOL 21:44:55 <magus_x> *its a shit but works 21:44:56 <Sutherland> therre is one console that i like there is an handheld console that runs un linux and got dual processor 21:44:56 <JohnUK89> Bochs on a PSP? 21:45:02 <hylje> windows xp works on a 7MHz proc 21:45:11 <OwenS> Sutherland: GP2X? 21:45:16 <Sutherland> yeaj 21:45:18 <OwenS> hylje: Unusably :) 21:45:19 <Sutherland> yeah 21:45:20 <edeca> hylje: Which 7MHz processor? 21:45:28 <hylje> i dont remember, some germans did it 21:45:31 <JohnUK89> hylje: a downclocked Pentium 21:45:32 <OwenS> I have a 500mHz ARM sitting here 21:46:06 <Sutherland> i think that ill have to go to bed 21:46:14 <Sutherland> im starting at school tommorow 21:46:18 <magus_x> a 8086 21:46:23 <magus_x> lol 21:46:26 *** nosefish [~stefan@t54fc4246.pool.terralink.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46:46 <Sutherland> so cya all lovely channel 21:46:51 <OwenS> You can't run anything* on an 8086 21:46:51 <OwenS> (*Except DOS...) 21:47:06 <Sutherland> all of u get an commandore 64 21:47:19 <Sutherland> or an amiga 21:47:41 <OwenS> amiga was 68k 21:47:53 <edeca> You wont be able to run Windows XP on an 8086. 21:47:57 <Sutherland> yeah then what? 21:48:08 <edeca> Nor much after Windows 1 probably, as they don't support virtual addressing. 21:48:32 <Sutherland> oh i was going cya 21:48:42 <OwenS> Wasn't the 186 the first with Segment addressing? I dunno :P 21:48:50 <OwenS> I don't really care much :P 21:48:56 <edeca> Heh. 21:49:00 *** Sutherland [~Sutherlan@0x5731df06.naenxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:49:30 <OwenS> Virtual addressing requires Protected Mode. So it would probably be the 286 which introduced that 21:49:35 <edeca> Yep. 21:49:45 <OwenS> 386 introduced 32-Bit protected mode 21:49:53 <edeca> That was my recollection, then the 386 or 486 introduced something extra 21:49:55 <edeca> That's the one :) 21:50:06 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7A080.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:12 *** Ammler is now known as Ammler_military 21:50:24 <OwenS> The only major upgrade since then is 64-Bit Extended Protected Mode :P 21:50:38 <edeca> Except MMX, SSE, SSE2, etc ;) 21:50:44 <OwenS> Theyre not major 21:50:48 <Sacro> 3DNow :D 21:50:50 *** Sutherland [~Sutherlan@0x5731df06.naenxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:51:17 <Sutherland> damned cant just leave ya without knowing how to install the ttd in whax 21:51:40 <OwenS> Don't have a clue 21:51:46 <OwenS> And make sure your using OpenTTD :P 21:51:56 <Sutherland> yeah offcourse 21:52:04 *** Tobi4s [~QueenLati@p548A5449.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ...mir ist egal wer du bist! - ..solange ich hier angele geht KEINER übers Wasser!] 21:52:26 <magus_x> Sutherland, 21:52:26 <Sutherland> ive played since it was only tt transport tycoon heh that was fun 21:52:33 <Sutherland> yeah magus x 21:52:38 <magus_x> what you are not able to do? 21:52:43 <magus_x> i mean 21:52:53 <Sutherland> where to download for linux>? 21:52:58 <magus_x> you wanna know how to install? 21:53:12 <magus_x> you got the data files? 21:53:16 <magus_x> from original ttd? 21:53:20 <OwenS> www.openttd.org ... 21:53:39 <Sutherland> not shure which to download 21:53:42 <Sutherland> the orig i mean 21:53:58 <magus_x> well, u need the data files 21:54:02 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm normal train running on maglev tracks 21:58:13 *** Ammler_military [~marcel@116-245.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #openttd [] 21:58:30 *** NoNick [Miranda@s01i38-0654.no.powertech.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 22:11:05 * JohnUK89 has just reunited an old TTDX fan with his first love :P 22:11:13 <lws1984> who? 22:11:17 <Sacro> ooh, my first love was TTO 22:11:27 <JohnUK89> Sacro: same lol 22:11:40 <JohnUK89> lws: one of my mates on AOL 22:12:20 <Sacro> oh, that and girls 22:12:31 <Sacro> i had a 2 track mind when i was 12 22:12:41 <JohnUK89> LOL 22:13:08 <JohnUK89> I got TTO on a game compilation CD :P 22:13:23 <JohnUK89> Was the first game I installed off it...instantly loved it :-D 22:16:51 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: -] 22:19:56 <Sacro> i got it on 4 floppies from a mate ofmy dads 22:20:19 <mikk36> 4 ? 22:20:19 <mikk36> hmm 22:20:35 <Sacro> yeah, probably fitted on less 22:20:42 <mikk36> don't remember exactly but ithink i got it on one :) 22:20:46 <mikk36> TT 22:20:48 <mikk36> not TTD :) 22:21:03 <mikk36> i, mybrother and my father were all addicted to it :) 22:24:40 <JohnUK89> Only me addicted in this house...was the only one that EVER liked tycoon games 22:25:43 <magus_x> someday i will learn TTd to my father 22:25:48 <magus_x> he would love it 22:26:05 <mikk36> magus_x, teach not learn :P 22:26:53 <JohnUK89> Sacro: I remember TTO being on 2 floppies? Just remembered 22:27:40 <mikk36> dunno.. 22:27:54 <JohnUK89> Yeah it was 22:27:58 <mikk36> buti remember that the game had a savegame with billions of money :) 22:28:04 <mikk36> with year 1960 or smth 22:28:15 <JohnUK89> Lol 22:28:28 <mikk36> it was fun 22:28:41 <mikk36> but ii had no idea of roro systems :P 22:28:42 <JohnUK89> That ruins it, starting with loads of money 22:28:54 <mikk36> mainly because the AI doesn't know about them either :P 22:29:01 <JohnUK89> mikk36: I still haven't got the hang of networks :P 22:29:07 <mikk36> heh 22:29:14 <mikk36> it's easy actually 22:29:28 <JohnUK89> Well I could be described as being crap lol 22:29:33 *** exe [~dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 22:29:48 <mikk36> just look a bit at wiki's roro page :) 22:30:19 <JohnUK89> mikk36: I have :P 22:30:22 <JohnUK89> I get roro 22:30:28 <JohnUK89> just not the entire network bit 22:30:32 <mikk36> :P 22:30:39 <mikk36> junctions etc ? 22:30:44 <JohnUK89> Yeah 22:30:46 <mikk36> heh 22:30:51 <mikk36> they're even easier 22:30:57 <JohnUK89> Lol 22:31:19 <mikk36> no really 22:31:41 <JohnUK89> Fancy tutoring me :P 22:33:14 <JohnUK89> In fact 22:33:15 <JohnUK89> !wiki 22:33:20 <JohnUK89> damn bot 22:33:21 <mikk36> the only thing i'm thinking about when creating the junctions is that where do the trains go from that station 22:33:22 <JohnUK89> lol 22:33:29 <mikk36> and where do they come from 22:33:36 <JohnUK89> Yeah 22:33:40 <lws1984> !wiki 22:33:43 <mikk36> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Category:Train_Junctions 22:36:47 <mikk36> i usually build smth like this 22:36:48 <mikk36> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Cloverleaf 22:36:58 <mikk36> although i use right-handed traffic 22:37:16 <mikk36> usually well enough suited for my networks 22:37:27 <OwenS> Cloverleafs suck 22:37:51 <mikk36> what's ur suggestion ? 22:37:51 <OwenS> That sit has no good junctions... All the corners are too tight ( = Slow) 22:38:02 <OwenS> Depends on the situation 22:38:14 <mikk36> i usually build custom sized clovers 22:38:24 <mikk36> depending on the situation 22:38:45 <mikk36> sometimes i need very compact and sometimes i can build big and high capacity 22:39:24 <OwenS> I have no plan; I build a good junction which will scale well and which can't jam 22:40:55 <Patrick`> OwenS: that site was invented many many years before realistic acceleration 22:41:16 <Patrick`> the thing to realise about RA is that your junction size depends on how long your trains are 22:41:33 <Patrick`> it's better to go with 8-cars or 4 tiles, so that you can turn 90 degrees with 7 angled tiles 22:41:51 <XeryusTC> Patrick`: false, it depends on what the maximum speed is of your train 22:41:54 <Patrick`> I've done a few but not a proper 4x4 22:41:59 <Patrick`> XeryusTC: er, no 22:42:15 <Patrick`> if I have a 400MPH maglev going into a /-\ it'll still slow to 50mph 22:42:24 <Patrick`> unless that code was changed in the last month or two 22:42:33 <XeryusTC> the curren #openttdcoop game has 7 tile trains, but corners are made out of 7 pieces, although it could do fine with 5 pieces as trains cant go faster then 75 kmh 22:42:50 <XeryusTC> <+Patrick`> the thing to realise about RA is that your junction size depends on how long your trains are <- i was talking about that 22:42:55 <Patrick`> yes, if your actual trains are slow it does not matter if you go 75 down to 55 22:43:06 <XeryusTC> corners dont have to be 14 pieces for 7 tile trains 22:43:15 <Patrick`> no, they can be slightly less 22:43:20 <OwenS> You've started the MS game? :O 22:43:21 <OwenS> When? 22:43:26 * XeryusTC meant 230 kmh btw 22:43:27 <Patrick`> all I know is that it's 7 for 4 tiles and 9 for 5 tiles long 22:43:48 <OwenS> The size of the train is always at least as much as needed 22:43:58 <XeryusTC> it is purely based on the speed of the train 22:44:03 <OwenS> But sometimes you can do with less; Depends, as said; on the max speed you wish to use 22:44:08 <Patrick`> are you sure? 22:44:15 <XeryusTC> yes 22:44:17 <OwenS> Yep 22:44:23 <Patrick`> actually, I don't know what you're saying 22:44:32 <XeryusTC> you don't need a 9 piece corner for a train that goes only 20kmh, it can do with a 90 degree turn 22:44:40 <Patrick`> yes, duuuh 22:44:45 <Patrick`> but what do we do about maglev? 22:44:53 <OwenS> It's (speed) / 8 * (number of corners a train is doing - 1) or something 22:45:10 <Patrick`> almost. 22:45:10 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 22:45:29 <Patrick`> if you corner one way and then corner back the same way quickly then that is no slowdown 22:45:40 <Patrick`> but only if the train is only in one of those zigzags. 22:46:12 <XeryusTC> Patrick`: except if it is diagonal->straight->diagonal 22:46:14 <OwenS> Exactly: Look at my formula ;-) 22:46:21 <Patrick`> straight-diagonal-straight 22:46:33 <Patrick`> OwenS: no, if a train is on 2 corners that turn the same way it drops in speed 22:47:03 <OwenS> Yes, >>> number of corners << in the formula above! 22:47:15 *** johnb [~johnb@bartholomews.plus.com] has joined #openttd 22:48:46 <Patrick`> it depends on which way they turn! 22:48:52 <OwenS> No 22:49:05 <Patrick`> /-\ is slowdown. /-/ is not. 22:49:09 <OwenS> It is 22:49:12 *** magus_x [~magus@201.14.240.161] has quit [Quit: Fui embora] 22:49:13 <OwenS> Watch it 22:49:17 <Patrick`> I KNOW this, I build many networks out of that 22:49:37 <OwenS> And I know this from watching it in #openttdcoop 22:49:39 <XeryusTC> Patrick`: -/- is a slowdown too 22:49:45 <OwenS> Ive optimzied that out of many junctions 22:49:54 <Patrick`> well the code must have changed 22:50:25 <Patrick`> because everything I built and carefully observed does not slow down when that happens 22:50:37 <Patrick`> for example, shimmying one tile to the right to enter the correct platform 22:50:46 <OwenS> They slow down if they are in both of those bends at the same time 22:51:14 <Patrick`> I don't actually have a working install yet, one second 22:51:16 <XeryusTC> OwenS: it doesn't if the number of diagonal pieces is even 22:51:40 <OwenS> Ive seen them go /-/ and slow down :S 22:52:00 <Patrick`> make sure they're not in another turn as well 22:52:20 * XeryusTC made a save 22:52:21 <OwenS> They weren't 22:52:28 <XeryusTC> screenshot* 22:53:08 <XeryusTC> http://xeryustc.cjb.net/openttd/slowdowns.png 22:53:37 <Patrick`> XeryusTC: I agree with you 22:53:40 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: DINNER!] 22:53:44 <Patrick`> I've not had enough /-/ in my network 22:54:03 <OwenS> The bottom left one is the one I was talking about :P 22:54:16 <Patrick`> I honestly don't know about that one. 22:54:20 <Patrick`> that'd just be weird if it was. 22:55:15 <XeryusTC> the bottom one is just not considered the same as the top right one 22:55:48 <XeryusTC> instead it is considered as the top one 22:55:50 <GoneWacko> what the fuck 22:55:54 <mikk36> ? 22:56:32 <GoneWacko> Someone (nacl?) PMed me 22:56:45 <GoneWacko> even though I've not been a visitor of the forums for some months now 22:56:49 <GoneWacko> and he PMed me 22:56:50 <GoneWacko> about 22:57:00 <GoneWacko> OpenTTD station spread, something about problems, reprogramming it, blablabla. 22:57:10 <GoneWacko> And I have no idea why he PMed me, because I have nothing to with it at all :D 22:58:23 <Patrick`> do I need libsdl1.2-dev installed or was that an accidental install? 22:58:32 <Patrick`> never built on linux before (hurry up with the debs) 22:58:37 *** MatzeB [~matze@i3ED6E8FE.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: MatzeB] 22:58:54 <GoneWacko> heck I have nothing to with OpenTTD, let alone a specific part of it 22:59:30 <GoneWacko> http://junk.gonewacko.com/what_the_fuck.png 23:00:39 <Patrick`> lolo-stationspready 23:00:44 <Patrick`> hey, why does it get bad anyway? 23:00:50 <Patrick`> does anyone know? always wondered 23:01:07 <mikk36> also, isn't it written already in the game itself that "Warning, largestation spread increases cpu usage" or smth ? 23:02:11 *** sayno [~sayno@ip67-88-107-227.z107-88-67.customer.algx.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:02:38 <JohnUK89> Patrick`: you need the libsdl1.2-dev, yes 23:03:19 <Patrick`> yikes 23:03:22 <Patrick`> it pulls in a lot of deps 23:03:26 <Patrick`> a LOT of deps 23:03:28 <JohnUK89> Yeah lol 23:03:38 <Patrick`> hah 23:03:41 <Patrick`> XeryusTC: you're wrong 23:03:53 <XeryusTC> about what? 23:03:55 <Patrick`> I just checked out the latest svn and built it and both types have no slowdown 23:04:12 <Patrick`> I have a maglev going into a /-/ and still accelerating 23:04:30 <mikk36> server updated to 0.4.8 now :) 23:04:42 <Patrick`> I fail at the internet, realistic acceleration was turned off 23:05:08 <Patrick`> aha, no, I enabled it and it still goes at 640 23:05:45 <mikk36> nice, truelight, thanks for splitting up the games sorting by "latest stable" and "not latest stable" :) 23:07:12 *** thys [~spoorweg@c5147395b.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:13 <Patrick`> how fast can you guys build ottd, then? 23:07:58 <JohnUK89> Not tried, don't have the dependencies, and I'm on GPRS so I can't exactly get em too quickly :P 23:08:06 <Patrick`> make clean; time make 23:08:24 <Patrick`> yapf is c++ ? 23:08:32 <Gonozal_VIII> it was a slowdown in the first revs with the new physics but then it was changed 23:09:06 <Patrick`> Gonozal_VIII: yeah, years ago though 23:09:20 <Patrick`> 1 minute 32 23:09:31 <mikk36> what cpu ? 23:09:35 <Gonozal_VIII> "years" ^^ 23:10:00 <Gonozal_VIII> i think it was somewhere around rev 5670 23:10:29 <Patrick`> my mistake 23:10:32 <XeryusTC> Gonozal_VIII: the /-/ slowdown? 23:10:40 <Patrick`> I pretty much stopped playing around about revision 3300 23:10:54 <Patrick`> so I guess I always had that slowdown but i never had any tracks that caused it 23:10:58 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 23:14:50 <Timmaah> hey guys 23:15:01 <Timmaah> when do you get metropolitian and international airports? 23:16:04 <Gonozal_VIII> not shure... you can check such things by starting a new game and cheating the time up until they appear 23:16:07 <Gonozal_VIII> -h 23:16:29 <Timmaah> ya but im ingame atm.. 23:16:30 <Timmaah> network 23:16:38 <Patrick`> make a new game] 23:16:39 <Timmaah> i figured maybe someone here knew 23:16:46 <XeryusTC> Gonozal_VIII: the slowdown is still in r5794 23:16:53 <Patrick`> it might be in the wiki 23:17:18 <Patrick`> I have a copy of 5883 here and it never happens 23:17:28 <Gonozal_VIII> its not present in miniin 5842 23:17:48 <Timmaah> nah not in the wiki :( 23:17:55 <Gonozal_VIII> but in 5663 it is 23:18:17 *** luckzeh [~alcy@ipd50af103.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 23:18:26 <luckzeh> so what's bad about freenode and not about this? :/ 23:18:39 <Patrick`> freenode has lilo 23:18:47 <Patrick`> lilo has problems not being hacked 23:19:02 <OwenS> Lilo? Linux Loader? 23:19:07 <Patrick`> and there are some real reasons as well 23:19:17 <XeryusTC> OwenS: the main irc op from freenode 23:19:17 <Patrick`> lilo, the guy who "runs" freenode 23:19:27 <luckzeh> well, you seem to have successfully gotten rid of half the users. 23:19:47 <Patrick`> yeah, the half that set themselves to autojoin and have like 90 channels they idle in 23:20:01 <Patrick`> I think that only 50% dead wood for such a long-running channel is very impressive 23:20:56 <Patrick`> the chat is just as lively 23:21:10 <luckzeh> or maybe they're just not in the mood for being on yet another network 23:22:05 <Patrick`> look, if you're going to whine about it do it in the old channel 23:22:14 <Patrick`> where everyone who cares can read what you have to say 23:22:14 <Kjetil> haha 23:22:20 <luckzeh> . 23:22:23 <Gonozal_VIII> good point^^ 23:22:31 <luckzeh> you're amazingly funny. 23:22:43 <Brianetta> lilo is the internets's most successful professional beggar. 23:22:50 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't really care about what network the channel is in 23:22:52 <Sacro> Brianetta: i envy him 23:23:08 <Brianetta> Sacro: Shh. People might think you admire him, too. 23:23:09 <Patrick`> luckzeh: also, there are practical reasons. freenode kept dropping several of the developers 23:23:18 <Timmaah> :( 23:23:27 <Patrick`> and the no unregistered PMs really got in everyone's way 23:23:44 <Patrick`> I'm not saying it wasn't warranted, it's just that freenode is a big target for bad things to happen 23:24:53 <Sacro> Brianetta: no, i just could really do with the money 23:25:08 <Brianetta> Why not beg for it? 23:25:23 <Brianetta> Then you can sit on your arse and IRC all day. 23:25:41 <Sacro> what do you think i do 23:25:51 <Patrick`> the trick is to get paid for it 23:26:22 <Sacro> yes... 23:26:27 <Sacro> SEND ME MONEY :D 23:26:51 <Brianetta> http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2006/Jun/0843.html <-- Rob "lilo" Levin, full disclosure 23:27:39 <Kjetil> hm. I am on IRC all day long and I don't get any money.. damn you all :P 23:28:31 <Patrick`> lol, that article ruins it by recommending efnet 23:28:38 <Patrick`> it's a pile of shit without services 23:29:04 <Kjetil> who needs services ? 23:29:19 *** Patrick` [~pitt2@i-195-137-14-213.freedom2surf.net] has left #openttd [This channel has been garbage collected] 23:29:19 *** Patrick` [~pitt2@i-195-137-14-213.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 23:29:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v Patrick`] by ChanServ 23:29:25 <Patrick`> my autovoice does :P 23:29:27 <XeryusTC> quakenet only has L, and it isn't a complete pile of shit 23:29:40 <Patrick`> anyway, sleep 23:30:15 <mikk36> XeryusTC, it has also Q 23:30:18 <luckzeh> quakenet isn't all that great 23:30:20 <mikk36> for bigger channels 23:30:21 <luckzeh> and quakenet has like 500 services 23:30:25 <luckzeh> L, Q, S, O.. 23:31:21 <mikk36> also,170k usercount is something to notice :) 23:31:25 <Gonozal_VIII> i like gamesorge more than quakenet 23:31:29 <Gonozal_VIII> -o+u 23:31:37 <luckzeh> gamesurge doesn't have any worthwhile chans for me 23:31:42 <luckzeh> I was there for a while, but never said a single word 23:31:49 <mikk36> * There are 78 users and 167488 invisible on 35 servers 23:31:55 <luckzeh> much like what I do in irchighway, but there I at least have power :( 23:31:56 <Gonozal_VIII> had some browsergame channels there 23:32:23 *** Stephan [~Stephan@p57A53417.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:32:50 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a2e.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:33:11 *** Nizzy [~Nizzy_Mon@chello080108056016.15.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 23:33:35 <luckzeh> let's see 23:33:36 <Nizzy> Hi there again (: Is anyone of the beloved programmers of TTD online? 23:34:29 <luckzeh> gnüg - june 29; quakenet - august 9; freenode - july 21; irchighway - july 24; scoast - august 11 23:34:41 <luckzeh> that's the time I last had to reconnect to a couple of networks 23:35:06 <luckzeh> note that quakenet isn't all that stable, connection-wise, while freenode actually is quite a bit better - not that that made lilo awesome 23:35:23 <luckzeh> it just shows that a lot of quakenet servers, mostly the german and I think uk ones, are anything but good 23:35:24 <Gonozal_VIII> gnüg? :S 23:35:39 <luckzeh> irc.gnug.org 23:36:07 *** johnb [~johnb@bartholomews.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:36:07 <Brianetta> That's an OK server 23:36:13 <Brianetta> The Gnugs do rock 23:36:23 <luckzeh> heh. how come you know them? 23:37:00 <Brianetta> How do you think? 23:37:01 <Sacro> quakenet keeps having netsplits 23:37:09 <Nizzy> As no one is answering, have I done something wrong concerning my communication habits or is noone online? 23:37:09 <Brianetta> They utterly humiliated me at TA once 23:37:20 <Sacro> ARRRRRRRRRRRGHH 23:37:30 <OwenS> Brianetta actually knows what TA is? :O 23:37:37 <Brianetta> OwenS: Well... duh 23:37:39 <XeryusTC> Nizzy: i don't see CS hanging around here... 23:37:40 * Sacro kicks the bits off IE for not supporting transparent PNG support 23:37:40 <Brianetta> who doesn't? 23:37:44 <OwenS> So few people ever heard of the best RTS game ever... 23:37:55 <Brianetta> What, SupCom? (: 23:37:59 <luckzeh> ahh 23:38:07 <luckzeh> that's where I know your nick from, Brianetta 23:38:08 <Brianetta> Born_Acorn is also a TAer 23:38:10 <OwenS> Well, 2nd best (possibly), I haven't played SupCom yet :P 23:38:13 <luckzeh> you turn up a couple million times in my logs from there 23:38:15 <OwenS> I know BA is :P 23:38:16 <fusey> TA was insane 23:38:25 <Sacro> Brianetta gets around a fair bit 23:38:28 <Born_Acorn> wee 23:38:39 <Brianetta> I just hang out where the class is 23:38:41 <Sacro> Born_Acorn doesnt get out enough 23:38:42 <luckzeh> irclogs/2006/gnug/#gnug.03-25.log:22:59:11< Brianetta> I NEED a 110,000V taser cannon. 23:38:46 <Brianetta> like.... the credits of X2 and X3 (: 23:38:53 <Sacro> Brianetta: grrr, damn you! 23:38:54 <Nizzy> XeryusTC: As in Customer Support?? 23:38:55 <Brianetta> luckzeh (: 23:39:02 <luckzeh> [01:38:39] [Brianetta] like.... the credits of X2 and X3 (: <- the games? 23:39:14 <Brianetta> Nizzy: No, as in a developer. luckzeh: Yes. 23:39:22 <luckzeh> arr. why? 23:39:30 <Brianetta> Why what? 23:39:34 <luckzeh> why do you occur there. 23:39:37 <XeryusTC> Nizzy: no, chris sawyer 23:39:38 <Nizzy> Brianetta: Right, thanks. Puzzled me. 23:39:39 <Brianetta> I did some work 23:39:53 <Brianetta> If you want to know what I did, read the credits (: 23:40:00 <luckzeh> not touching that virus. 23:40:05 <Brianetta> Twice in X2, four times in X3 23:40:20 <luckzeh> so no, not touching its credits either. 23:40:27 <OwenS> I would read them if I had them :P 23:40:31 <Brianetta> Hey, X2 wasn;t that bad 23:40:36 <Brianetta> although I do share your opinion of X3 23:40:43 *** Stephan [~Stephan@p57A53417.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [] 23:42:03 <luckzeh> well, X2 was fixed at some point, and I for some reason I forgot have a legal serial for it. came with my latest graphics card, I think. 23:42:19 <Brianetta> luckzeh: Just grab the nocd patch form Egosoft 23:42:24 <Brianetta> You don't need the serial any more 23:42:31 <luckzeh> I know, I know :p 23:42:35 <luckzeh> I got that at home 23:42:47 <Brianetta> In fact, same goes for X3 since it's available on D2D 23:42:51 <Brianetta> and therefore there's no CD key 23:43:00 <luckzeh> mh, does D2D-X3 come with starforce? 23:43:08 <Brianetta> Dunno 23:43:14 <Brianetta> I didn't even bother installing it 23:43:25 <Brianetta> I got my complementary copies, and here they sit 23:43:26 <luckzeh> http://www.glop.org/starforce/list.php <- it's on the evil-list in any case 23:44:18 <luckzeh> do you plan on doing whatever you did for X2 and 3 for the online one too, if they're actually ever going to make that happen? 23:44:59 <Brianetta> No. 23:45:23 <Brianetta> We haven't even opened the X3 section of Argonopedia yet 23:45:35 <Brianetta> argonopedia.ppcis.org 23:45:49 <Brianetta> Nearlt all the X3 info is int he DB now 23:45:57 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ i have gono on highlight 23:46:00 <Brianetta> but nobody can be arsed to finish it 23:47:10 <OwenS> Ubisoft have stated theyre not gonna use Starforce on future games ^^ 23:47:10 <OwenS> Whether it happens or not is a different matter; But I hope it does 23:48:15 *** Nizzy [~Nizzy_Mon@chello080108056016.15.11.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 23:50:48 <luckzeh> seems to be happening for a lot of games 23:52:55 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-142-242.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:53:25 *** Corby [~Corby@ip68-109-128-97.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:53:30 <OwenS> It's Win XP x64 users pissed off 23:53:49 <luckzeh> is it. 23:54:03 <luckzeh> they should be happy the thing doesn't work for them. 23:54:13 <OwenS> They can't play the games however 23:54:24 <luckzeh> but their computers also don't get infected with that stuff 23:54:32 <OwenS> True 23:54:43 <luckzeh> would you rather have a suicidal computer or a game less? 23:55:35 <OwenS> True; 23:55:40 <OwenS> Ive never had a StarForce game :P 23:56:34 <Corby> OpenTTD needs files from the actual TTD? 23:56:43 <JohnUK89> Corby: yes 23:56:51 <Corby> Oh man.... :-( 23:56:58 <luckzeh> Corby: nothing easier than downloading TTD :/ 23:57:24 <JohnUK89> The data files can't be distributed with OpenTTD, they're copyrighted 23:57:36 <Born_Acorn> So other people do it instead. 23:57:36 <Corby> Yeah that makes sense 23:57:37 <Born_Acorn> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=3407 <-- Forums listing. 23:58:25 <luckzeh> OwenS: I had, and I only noticed that it was starforce sabotaging half of my computer by chance. and, well, after thoroughly cleaning, everything worked fine again. and my current desktop comp hasn't been touched by starforce in any way; I know better now. 23:58:38 <Corby> A-ha... and that was a sticky too... I guess my eyes glossed over it when I was browsing the forums 23:58:47 <OwenS> lol 23:59:11 <Corby> So work is being done though to remove OpenTTD's reliance on TTD files? 23:59:23 <luckzeh> mh 23:59:31 <XeryusTC> Corby: yes 23:59:35 <luckzeh> it doesn't have starforce on steam, most sources claim 23:59:41 <luckzeh> X3, that is 23:59:57 <Corby> when choosing a TTD to download, does it matter if its DOS/Windows whatever?