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00:03:05 <Belugas_Gone> !seen Maedhros 00:03:05 <robobot> Belugas_Gone: I have not seen Maedhros. 00:03:07 <_42_> Belugas_Gone, Maedhros (~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net) was last seen quitting #openttd 1 day 23 hours 44 minutes ago (09.09. 00:18) stating "Quit: 'night" after spending 16 hours 27 minutes there. 00:06:57 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-217.41.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: How about sleeping? Yeaaa..] 00:08:06 <Nigel[CPI]> isn't it a bit pointless to have 2 bots with the same commands? 00:08:27 <glx> !stats 00:08:27 <robobot> glx: I have 4 registered users with 3 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. 00:08:29 <_42_> glx: http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/openttd.html 00:08:50 <glx> oh SpComb disabled his !stats :) 00:16:44 <mikk36[EST]> lol 00:16:46 <mikk36[EST]> Sacro wasn't very popular, getting kicked 13 times! 00:16:46 <mikk36[EST]> For example, like this: 00:16:46 <mikk36[EST]> *** Sacro was kicked by Bjarni (not funny) 00:16:46 <mikk36[EST]> Bjarni seemed to be hated too: 11 kicks were received. 00:48:07 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 00:58:12 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176101143.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 01:01:39 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:07:10 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 01:09:00 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B821DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:09:07 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 01:10:13 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:10:44 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84C6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:10:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 01:13:41 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:13:41 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 01:15:42 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:26:41 *** Ammler_ is now known as Ammler 01:57:53 *** gw280 [authdenied@vm.gwright.org.uk] has joined #openttd 01:57:55 <gw280> yo 02:15:07 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@p54B370AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:20:38 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37822.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:27:32 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:29:42 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 02:32:25 *** Nigel[CPI] [~ca4aca8b@mail.thegrebs.com] has quit [Quit: http://thegrebs.com/oftc/] 02:38:11 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 02:44:11 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:54:06 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [] 03:08:35 *** Ammler [~Ammler@185-37.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:24:33 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84C6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:26:19 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82F27.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 03:26:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 03:49:32 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: * lws1984 slaps JTanczos around a bit with a greande... oops, I pulled the pin out.. *JTanczos explodes*] 04:31:16 *** Sacro [~ben@83.100.248.18] has joined #openttd 04:36:31 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82F27.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:38:49 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82149.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:38:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 04:39:57 * Sacro misses Brianettas Nightly, it comforted me at this time 04:49:35 *** roboschool is now known as roboboy 04:50:44 <roboboy> !network command oftc join #openttdcoop 05:06:47 *** guru3 [~guru3@81-231-230-95-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:07:52 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75FF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:10:03 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has joined #openttd 05:10:46 <roboboy> ive changed the prefix for robobot to @ 05:11:30 *** guru3 [~guru3@81-231-230-95-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 05:12:19 <roboboy> i changed it so it wont complain about valid commands for _42_ 05:14:19 <roboboy> @load ShrinkUrl 05:14:19 <robobot> roboboy: Error: Shrinkurl is already loaded. 05:15:24 <roboboy> you can now type @shrinkurl tiny url to get a tinyurl.com link 05:15:56 <roboboy> @list 05:15:56 <robobot> roboboy: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Games, Math, Misc, Network, Owner, Seen, ShrinkUrl, Topic, and User 05:16:08 <roboboy> @load Time 05:16:09 <robobot> roboboy: The operation succeeded. 05:16:15 <roboboy> @load Todo 05:16:17 <robobot> roboboy: The operation succeeded. 05:24:51 <roboboy> @load Url 05:24:51 <robobot> roboboy: Error: No plugin named "Url" exists. 05:24:59 <roboboy> @load Url 05:24:59 <robobot> roboboy: Error: No plugin named "Url" exists. 05:25:11 <roboboy> @load URL 05:25:12 <robobot> roboboy: The operation succeeded. 05:29:58 <roboboy> @stats 05:29:59 <robobot> roboboy: I have 4 registered users with 3 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. 05:30:13 <roboboy> @channelstats 05:30:13 <robobot> roboboy: On #openttd there have been 464 messages, containing 16660 characters, 2789 words, 23 smileys, and 12 frowns; 5 of those messages were ACTIONs. There have been 94 joins, 4 parts, 100 quits, 0 kicks, 9 mode changes, and 0 topic changes. 05:34:47 <mikk36[EST]> mornin' :) 05:35:00 <roboboy> gmorning 05:35:23 <mikk36[EST]> @list 05:35:24 <robobot> mikk36[EST]: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Filter, Games, Math, Misc, Network, Owner, Seen, ShrinkUrl, Time, Todo, Topic, URL, and User 05:35:28 *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mikk36 05:35:50 <mikk36> @time 05:35:52 <robobot> mikk36: 03:36 PM, September 11, 2006 05:36:00 <roboboy> thats my time 05:36:03 <mikk36> east coast ? 05:36:13 <roboboy> !stats 05:36:13 <_42_> roboboy: http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/openttd.html 05:36:14 <mikk36> nah 05:36:15 <Sacro> morning 05:36:17 <mikk36> asia 05:36:23 <Sacro> http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd/stats 05:36:26 <roboboy> australia 05:36:30 <mikk36> :) 05:36:35 <mikk36> west au ? 05:36:59 <roboboy> east 05:37:06 <mikk36> :/ 05:37:26 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:37:41 <mikk36> and i thought that east au was 8-9 hours ahead 05:37:49 <mikk36> of us, not GMT 05:38:43 <mikk36> ok, +10 GMT 05:38:56 <mikk36> w/ DST 05:40:03 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 05:40:03 <roboboy> !logs 05:40:32 <mikk36> oh damn, no DST :D 05:40:33 <mikk36> :D 05:40:43 <mikk36> that's why i know 8-9 05:40:55 <mikk36> it's +8 in winter for us :) 05:41:01 <roboboy> so theres three bots doing stats in here 05:41:10 <roboboy> !channelstats 05:41:18 <roboboy> @channelStats 05:41:19 <robobot> roboboy: On #openttd there have been 498 messages, containing 17578 characters, 2932 words, 28 smileys, and 16 frowns; 5 of those messages were ACTIONs. There have been 95 joins, 4 parts, 100 quits, 0 kicks, 9 mode changes, and 0 topic changes. 05:41:28 <roboboy> and two logging 05:42:25 <roboboy> sacro you are 3rd on TL's logs 05:42:53 <mikk36> yah he's tough one to beat 05:43:36 <roboboy> sacros beating him on SpCombs but not TL's 05:44:11 <roboboy> mikk36 do you use any other IRC channels/networks 05:44:21 <roboboy> same for sacro 05:44:24 <mikk36> yes 05:44:34 <mikk36> 5 other 05:44:38 <roboboy> which other networks 05:44:45 <roboboy> or just channels 05:44:54 <Sacro> roboboy: i go by SpComb, its logged the most 05:45:00 <roboboy> ok 05:45:05 <mikk36> freenode, ircworld, quakenet and 2 private 05:45:10 <roboboy> ok 05:45:16 <Sacro> [06:45] <mikk36> yah he's tough one to beat <- you saying im talkative? 05:45:25 <mikk36> :P 05:45:27 <roboboy> you can take robobot on them aswell 05:45:56 <roboboy> @network command server freenode 05:45:56 <robobot> roboboy: (network command <network> <command> [<arg> ...]) -- Gives the bot <command> (with its associated <arg>s) on <network>. 05:46:17 <mikk36> i have others there 05:46:21 <mikk36> so no thanks :) 05:46:29 <mikk36> some of my own, some not 05:46:36 <roboboy> @network command freenode server 05:46:36 <robobot> roboboy: (network command <network> <command> [<arg> ...]) -- Gives the bot <command> (with its associated <arg>s) on <network>. 05:46:46 <roboboy> ok 05:46:55 <roboboy> !list network 05:47:01 <roboboy> @list network 05:47:02 <robobot> roboboy: command, connect, disconnect, driver, latency, networks, reconnect, and whois 05:47:28 *** Guest56 [Gono@N828P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 05:47:34 <roboboy> @network connect freenode 05:47:35 <robobot> roboboy: Error: A server must be provided if the network is not already registered. 05:47:35 <mikk36> @network latency 05:47:38 <robobot> mikk36: 1.02 seconds. 05:47:47 <mikk36> high 05:48:01 <roboboy> @network connect irc.freenode.org 05:48:02 <robobot> roboboy: Error: A server must be provided if the network is not already registered. 05:48:02 <mikk36> mine is 0.0s 05:48:07 <mikk36> according to xchat 05:48:32 <mikk36> freenode.net 05:48:45 <roboboy> @network connect irc.freenode.net 05:48:46 <robobot> roboboy: Error: A server must be provided if the network is not already registered. 05:48:54 <roboboy> @network connect freenode.net 05:48:55 <robobot> roboboy: Error: A server must be provided if the network is not already registered. 05:49:02 <mikk36> :P 05:49:12 <roboboy> @network connect irc:\irc.freenode.net 05:49:12 <robobot> roboboy: Error: A server must be provided if the network is not already registered. 05:50:18 <roboboy> @network connect freenode irc.freenode.org 05:50:19 <robobot> roboboy: The operation succeeded. Connection to freenode initiated. 05:50:23 <mikk36> heh 05:50:50 <roboboy> @network connect ircworld irc.ircworld.net 05:50:53 <robobot> roboboy: The operation succeeded. Connection to ircworld initiated. 05:51:04 <mikk36> org 05:51:06 <mikk36> :P 05:51:11 <roboboy> hes already on quakenet as thats my primary network 05:51:19 <roboboy> pardon 05:51:26 <mikk36> or irc.zone.ee 05:51:29 <mikk36> it's the same 05:51:47 <roboboy> @network connect ircworld irc.ircworld.org 05:51:48 <robobot> roboboy: Error: I'm already connected to ircworld. 05:52:16 <mikk36> lol 05:52:28 <mikk36> @network disconnect ircworld 05:52:30 <robobot> mikk36: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think\ that you should have this capability, be sure\ that you are identified before trying again.\ The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're\ identified. 05:52:33 <mikk36> blah :P 05:52:46 <mikk36> remove \ marks 05:52:46 <roboboy> this is the command for connecting to a channel @network command oftc join #openttdcoop 05:52:52 <roboboy> pardon 05:53:06 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-83-100-130-125.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 05:53:16 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N942P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:53:21 <mikk36> whoami 05:53:25 <mikk36> @whoami 05:53:25 <robobot> mikk36: I don't recognize you. 05:53:36 <roboboy> replace oftc with the network and #openttdcoop with the channel 05:53:42 <mikk36> robobot, i'm mikk36 05:53:42 <robobot> mikk36: Error: "i'm" is not a valid command. 05:53:47 <mikk36> :P 05:54:25 <mikk36> robobot, network ircworld join #lfs 05:54:25 <robobot> mikk36: Error: The "Network" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "ircworld" in it. Try "list Network" to see the commands in the "Network" plugin. 05:54:36 <mikk36> robobot, network command ircworld join #lfs 05:54:38 <robobot> mikk36: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think\ that you should have this capability, be sure\ that you are identified before trying again.\ The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're\ identified. 05:54:38 <roboboy> type /msg robobot register nick password 05:54:42 <mikk36> hehe 05:55:08 <mikk36> robobot, whoami 05:55:09 <robobot> mikk36: mikk36 05:55:12 <mikk36> :P 05:55:48 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 05:56:05 <roboboy> what are you doing 05:56:13 <mikk36> ? 05:56:35 *** Sacro [~ben@83.100.248.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:56:42 <mikk36> what do u mean ? 05:57:46 <roboboy> robobot wont stay on ircworld 05:57:47 <robobot> roboboy: Error: "wont" is not a valid command. 05:57:50 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 05:58:22 <roboboy> it can leave 05:58:29 <mikk36> i aint doing anything 05:58:36 <roboboy> now i know 05:58:57 <roboboy> try messageing it on ircworld 05:59:28 <mikk36> i tried 05:59:36 <roboboy> it wont work 05:59:49 <mikk36> did u get him off ircworld.net ? 06:00:09 <roboboy> @disconect ircworld irc.ircworld.net 06:00:09 <robobot> roboboy: Error: "disconect" is not a valid command. 06:00:16 <mikk36> <roboboy> @network connect ircworld irc.ircworld.org 06:00:16 <mikk36> <robobot> roboboy: Error: I'm already connected to ircworld. 06:00:29 <mikk36> network disconnect ircworld 06:00:35 <mikk36> should be the right order 06:00:46 <roboboy> @list network 06:00:47 <robobot> roboboy: command, connect, disconnect, driver, latency, networks, reconnect, and whois 06:01:08 <roboboy> @list network disconnect 06:01:10 <robobot> roboboy: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins. 06:01:23 <roboboy> @disconnect ircworld 06:01:24 <robobot> roboboy: The operation succeeded. Disconnection to ircworld initiated. 06:01:26 <mikk36> @network disconnect 06:01:27 <robobot> mikk36: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think\ that you should have this capability, be sure\ that you are identified before trying again.\ The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're\ identified. 06:01:33 <roboboy> heh 06:01:49 <roboboy> i havent made you and op on ircworld 06:01:54 <mikk36> now connect to irc.ircworld.org 06:01:54 <roboboy> but hes left 06:02:35 <roboboy> @connect ircworld irc.ircworld.org 06:02:39 <robobot> roboboy: The operation succeeded. Connection to ircworld initiated. 06:04:19 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.145.18] has joined #openttd 06:06:05 <mikk36> he's still not in ircworld 06:06:12 <mikk36> at least not under nick robobot 06:10:49 <roboboy> grr 06:11:19 <roboboy> how do i get a client list 06:11:26 <roboboy> for a network 06:13:57 <roboboy> @disconect irc.ircworld.org 06:13:59 <robobot> roboboy: Error: "disconect" is not a valid command. 06:14:18 <roboboy> @disconnect irc.ircworld.org 06:14:20 *** robobot [~supybot@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: irc.ircworld.org] 06:14:40 <Noldo> :D 06:15:20 <Sacro> hehe 06:18:19 <roboboy> @network connect ircworld irc.ircworld.org 06:22:16 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D4F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:22:51 <roboboy> grr 06:23:00 <roboboy> i cant get it to come back in here 06:25:59 *** robobot [~supybot@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:26:29 <roboboy> hard restart of the script fixed it 06:26:37 <roboboy> !list 06:26:46 <roboboy> @channel list 06:26:46 <robobot> roboboy: Error: 'supybot.list' is not a valid configuration variable. 06:26:55 <roboboy> @channellist 06:26:57 <robobot> roboboy: Error: "channellist" is not a valid command. 06:27:00 <Nigel> just an observation, 99% of the stuff that people do here, is already covered by _42_ 06:27:20 <mikk36> lol 06:27:32 <Nigel> and you _really_ need to do your 'playing around' in private message 06:28:11 <roboboy> @list channel 06:28:11 <robobot> roboboy: alert, ban add, ban list, ban remove, capability add, capability list, capability remove, capability set, capability setdefault, capability unset, cycle, dehalfop, deop, devoice, disable, enable, halfop, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, invite, kban, key, kick, limit, lobotomy add, lobotomy list, lobotomy remove, mode, moderate, nicks, op, unban, unmoderate, and voice 06:28:23 <roboboy> !list 06:28:29 <roboboy> @list 06:28:30 <robobot> roboboy: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Filter, Games, Math, Misc, Network, Owner, Seen, ShrinkUrl, Time, Todo, Topic, URL, and User 06:28:54 <roboboy> yep all the plugins are still plugged in 06:29:24 <mikk36> robobot, seen me 06:29:25 <robobot> mikk36: I have not seen me. 06:29:29 <mikk36> robobot, seen myself 06:29:30 <robobot> mikk36: I have not seen myself. 06:29:34 <mikk36> :) 06:29:42 <mikk36> robobot, seen him 06:29:43 <robobot> mikk36: I have not seen him. 06:29:55 <mikk36> sentence generator :D 06:30:01 <roboboy> can you see if its connected to ircworld and freenode 06:30:05 <mikk36> sec 06:30:09 <roboboy> ok 06:30:19 <Nigel> robobot, seen my-prostate 06:30:19 <robobot> Nigel: I have not seen my-prostate. 06:30:24 <mikk36> * [robobot] End of WHOIS list. 06:30:27 <roboboy> thanx its just i know you are on them 06:30:29 <mikk36> that's it 06:30:31 <mikk36> so he's not it 06:30:32 <mikk36> in* 06:30:39 <roboboy> hm 06:30:52 <roboboy> oh well 06:31:08 <roboboy> atleast on freenode i have a channel he can join 06:31:32 <Nigel> roboboy, you can always start a new channel on oftc for it 06:31:50 <roboboy> why 06:32:08 <roboboy> the ops didnt mind it last night 06:32:20 <roboboy> atleast Rubidium 06:32:56 <roboboy> are they still trying to get rid of the old freenode channel 06:34:56 <roboboy> if they arent robobot can live in it 06:35:02 <roboboy> as it still exists 06:35:08 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:35:44 <roboboy> im just letting it spread 06:36:03 <mikk36> global domination plan ? :D 06:36:45 *** Ammler [~Ammler@43-207.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 06:36:51 <roboboy> sorta 06:37:04 <roboboy> im letting people use it for loggs 06:37:17 <roboboy> thats when it gets a proper server that is 06:37:27 <roboboy> that will be next weekend 06:38:08 <roboboy> robobot's soon to be host is doind a major software upgrade so im just waiting till after that 06:39:14 <roboboy> although i dont need a server, if i could get the dcc plugin which doesnt come with the bot to work, then i could jut dcc the logs 06:39:29 <mikk36> robobot, can it calculate ? 06:39:30 <robobot> mikk36: Error: "can" is not a valid command. 06:39:41 <mikk36> roboboy, 06:39:42 <roboboy> yep 06:40:00 <roboboy> type @math calc whatever 06:40:17 <roboboy> tip try typeing @list 06:40:23 <Sacro> !calc 2^2^2^2 06:40:24 <_42_> Sacro: 65536; 06:40:30 <Sacro> that all? 06:40:33 <Sacro> :( 06:40:47 <roboboy> then for more details on a specific plugin type @list pluginname 06:40:47 <Sacro> !calc 2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2 06:40:48 <_42_> Sacro: Runtime error (func=(main), adr=32): exponent too large in raise; 06:40:55 <Sacro> yeeh :D 06:41:14 <mikk36> @math 18446744073709548580/1024/1024/1024/1024 06:41:14 <roboboy> try doing it with robobot 06:41:14 <robobot> mikk36: Error: The "Math" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "18446744073709548580/1024/1024/1024/1024" in it. Try "list Math" to see the commands in the "Math" plugin. 06:41:20 <mikk36> @math calc 18446744073709548580/1024/1024/1024/1024 06:41:22 <robobot> mikk36: 16777216.0 06:41:45 <roboboy> @math calc 2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2 06:41:45 <mikk36> @math calc 18446744073709548580/1024/1024/1024/1024/1024/1024 06:41:47 <robobot> roboboy: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. 06:41:49 <robobot> mikk36: 16.0 06:42:04 <mikk36> 16 yottabytes of pagefile in use :D 06:42:20 <mikk36> Total Physical Memory: 511 MB 06:42:20 <mikk36> Available Physical Memory: 141 MB 06:42:20 <mikk36> Page File: Max Size: 488 MB 06:42:20 <mikk36> Page File: Available: 3 524 MB 06:42:20 <mikk36> Page File: In Use: 18 446 744 073 709 548 580 MB 06:42:28 <roboboy> @math calc calc 2^2^2^2 06:42:30 <robobot> roboboy: Error: invalid syntax (line 1) 06:42:39 <Sacro> !calc 9^9^9^9 06:42:40 <_42_> Sacro: Runtime error (func=(main), adr=14): exponent too large in raise; 06:42:46 <Sacro> !calc 9^9^9 06:42:48 <_42_> Sacro: Runtime error (func=(main), adr=11): exponent too large in raise; 06:42:51 <Sacro> !calc 9^9 06:42:52 <_42_> Sacro: 387420489; 06:42:56 <Sacro> !calc 9^9! 06:42:59 <_42_> Sacro: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 06:43:07 <roboboy> @channelstats 06:43:08 <robobot> roboboy: On #openttd there have been 716 messages, containing 25714 characters, 4233 words, 40 smileys, and 18 frowns; 5 of those messages were ACTIONs. There have been 100 joins, 4 parts, 103 quits, 0 kicks, 9 mode changes, and 0 topic changes. 06:43:22 <roboboy> you can see why i changed the prefix character 06:44:34 <roboboy> mikk36 do your bots do stats and logs 06:44:45 <roboboy> @list channellogs 06:44:48 <robobot> roboboy: Error: 'channellogs' is not a valid plugin. 06:45:00 <mikk36> stats are seperate (from bot -> mircstats) 06:45:04 <roboboy> @list channel channellogs 06:45:04 <robobot> roboboy: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins. 06:45:10 <roboboy> ok 06:45:31 <roboboy> robobot can give very basic on the spot stats 06:45:32 <robobot> roboboy: Error: "can" is not a valid command. 06:45:42 <roboboy> robobot does logs aswell 06:45:43 <robobot> roboboy: Error: "does" is not a valid command. 06:45:56 <roboboy> you just cant view them at the moment 06:46:07 <roboboy> thats why im getting a server for it 06:46:56 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.145.18] has left #openttd [Will come back when people stop playing with the bots] 06:47:15 <roboboy> !list 06:47:21 <roboboy> @list 06:47:21 <robobot> roboboy: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Filter, Games, Math, Misc, Network, Owner, Seen, ShrinkUrl, Time, Todo, Topic, URL, and User 06:47:30 <roboboy> @list filter 06:47:31 <robobot> roboboy: aol, binary, colorize, gnu, hebrew, hexlify, jeffk, leet, lithp, morse, outfilter, rainbow, reverse, rot13, scramble, shrink, spellit, squish, stripcolor, supa1337, undup, unhexlify, and unmorse 06:48:09 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 06:48:15 <MeusH> hiya 06:48:22 <roboboy> @filter binary OpenTTD is the best game 06:48:22 <robobot> roboboy: 010011110111000001100101011011100101010001010100010001000010000001101001011100110010000001110100011010000110010100100000011000100110010101110011011101000010000001100111011000010110110101100101 06:48:28 <roboboy> hello 06:48:32 <Sacro> @filter morse yes 06:48:33 <robobot> Sacro: -.-- . ... 06:48:36 <Sacro> :o 06:48:45 <MeusH> !list @filter 06:48:50 <MeusH> !list filter 06:48:53 <MeusH> @list filter 06:48:53 <robobot> MeusH: aol, binary, colorize, gnu, hebrew, hexlify, jeffk, leet, lithp, morse, outfilter, rainbow, reverse, rot13, scramble, shrink, spellit, squish, stripcolor, supa1337, undup, unhexlify, and unmorse 06:49:09 <Sacro> @filter aol lol 06:49:10 <robobot> Sacro: lol<3<3<3 06:49:13 <MeusH> @filter supa1337 Darkvater rocks 06:49:15 <robobot> MeusH: |)/-\|2|<\/8|2 |2o<|<z 06:49:22 <roboboy> @filter Hello MeusH scramble 06:49:23 <robobot> roboboy: Error: The "Filter" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "Hello" in it. Try "list Filter" to see the commands in the "Filter" plugin. 06:49:30 <Sacro> @filter aol hello MeusH 06:49:31 <robobot> Sacro: hello MeusH:-D:-D:-D 06:49:42 <MeusH> @filter hebrew jewish 06:49:42 <robobot> MeusH: jwsh 06:49:45 <MeusH> :o 06:49:51 <roboboy> @filter scramble Hello MeusH 06:49:52 <robobot> roboboy: Hlleo MsueH 06:50:04 <MeusH> scramble is nice :) 06:50:06 <Sacro> @filter gnu hmm, whats this do 06:50:06 <robobot> Sacro: GNU/hmm, GNU/whats GNU/this GNU/do 06:50:11 <Sacro> :o 06:50:27 <Sacro> @filter unmorse ... --- ... 06:50:28 <robobot> Sacro: SOS 06:50:30 <MeusH> @filter rainbow gay parade lesbian sex 06:50:30 <Sacro> :D 06:50:30 <robobot> MeusH: gay parade lesbian sex 06:50:41 <Sacro> MeusH: its -c or +c or whatever in here 06:50:45 <roboboy> @shrinkurl tiny www.openttd.org/nightly 06:50:48 <robobot> roboboy: Error: 'www.openttd.org/nightly' is not a valid url. 06:50:51 <roboboy> +c 06:51:00 <MeusH> @help shrinkurl 06:51:02 <robobot> MeusH: Error: There is no command "shrinkurl". 06:51:23 <roboboy> @shrinkurl tiny http:\www.openttd.org\nightly 06:51:27 <robobot> roboboy: Error: 'http:\\www.openttd.org\nightly' is not a valid url. 06:51:40 <MeusH> @filter squish fishes are all over the palce 06:51:42 <robobot> MeusH: fishesarealloverthepalce 06:51:52 <Sacro> @shrinkurl tiny http://www.openttd.com/nightly 06:51:55 <Noldo> oh this is "See roboboy make sense out of his new bot toy"-channel 06:51:56 <robobot> Sacro: http://tinyurl.com/r6l6b 06:52:03 <MeusH> @filter jeffk fishes are all over the palce 06:52:04 <Sacro> Noldo: yup 06:52:06 <robobot> MeusH: FOISHES ARE ALLL OVAR TEH PACSEI 06:52:11 <Sacro> :o 06:52:12 <MeusH> OH YEAH 06:52:19 <Noldo> I wonder why the name and topic imply something else 06:52:23 <MeusH> @filter jeffk oh yeah mummy! 06:52:24 <robobot> MeusH: oheyeah mumey! 06:52:29 <roboboy> why didnt my urls work 06:52:48 <MeusH> use / instead of \ 06:53:08 <MeusH> @shrinkurl tiny http://www.openttd.org/docs 06:53:12 <robobot> MeusH: http://tinyurl.com/nz9ab 06:53:19 <roboboy> +c was set when i had the old robobot 06:53:28 <roboboy> @url 06:53:29 <robobot> roboboy: Error: "url" is not a valid command. 06:53:37 <roboboy> @list url 06:53:39 <robobot> roboboy: last and stats 06:53:54 <roboboy> @url stats openttd 06:53:54 <MeusH> nice bot, roboboy 06:53:56 <robobot> roboboy: (url stats [<channel>]) -- Returns the number of URLs in the URL database. <channel> is only required if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. 06:54:13 <roboboy> @url last openttd 06:54:14 <robobot> roboboy: (url last [<channel>] [--{from,with,without,near,proto} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Gives the last URL matching the given criteria. --from is from whom the URL came; --proto is the protocol the URL used; --with is something inside the URL; --without is something that should not be in the URL; --near is something in the same message as the URL; If --nolimit is given, returns all the (1 more message) 06:54:31 <roboboy> @url last with openttd 06:54:32 <robobot> roboboy: (url last [<channel>] [--{from,with,without,near,proto} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Gives the last URL matching the given criteria. --from is from whom the URL came; --proto is the protocol the URL used; --with is something inside the URL; --without is something that should not be in the URL; --near is something in the same message as the URL; If --nolimit is given, returns all the (1 more message) 06:54:50 <roboboy> @url last #openttd with openttd 06:54:52 <robobot> roboboy: (url last [<channel>] [--{from,with,without,near,proto} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Gives the last URL matching the given criteria. --from is from whom the URL came; --proto is the protocol the URL used; --with is something inside the URL; --without is something that should not be in the URL; --near is something in the same message as the URL; If --nolimit is given, returns all the (1 more message) 06:54:57 <roboboy> grr 06:55:16 <roboboy> i didnt write the bot its a python script i downloaded 06:57:41 * roboboy homework 06:57:50 *** roboboy is now known as robohomework 06:59:05 <Noldo> oh joy, away nicks too 06:59:34 <robohomework> thats me not robobot 06:59:47 <robohomework> and whats your problem with robobot 07:01:09 <robohomework> Rubidium didnt complain last night and the ops said they didnt mind with my old bot except for when it uses colour and thats why +c is set 07:01:10 <Sacro> its spamming 07:01:19 <robohomework> i geuse 07:01:32 <Noldo> does it give any added value to the channel? No. Does it create anoyance? Yes. 07:02:06 <Sacro> Noldo: i best go too then :( 07:02:13 <robohomework> If someone with powers complains it can go 07:02:54 <MeusH> I'm looking forward to see a game bot 07:03:09 <MeusH> that would be at least somehow useful :) 07:03:27 <robohomework> robobot can do small single person games 07:03:28 <robobot> robohomework: Error: "can" is not a valid command. 07:03:44 * robohomework might learn python so he can write plugins for it 07:04:01 <Noldo> robohomework: and the problem is not the bot but the fact that you learn how to use it on the channel 07:08:11 <robohomework> fine as i said before it can go if an doesnt like it 07:08:24 <robohomework> add op 07:08:44 <robohomework> thats all im adding 07:10:24 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn13-124.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:18:32 <MeusH> robohomework, I think Noldo meant it would be better if you test it on another channel 07:18:43 <MeusH> and bring it to #openttd when it's ready 07:18:47 <CIA-2> miham * r6438 /trunk/lang/ (brazilian_portuguese.txt dutch.txt): 07:18:47 <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-09-11 09:18:20 07:18:47 <CIA-2> brazilian_portuguese - 1 fixed by tucalipe (1) 07:18:47 <CIA-2> dutch - 7 fixed by habell (7) 07:19:03 <MeusH> so we won't play with @filter and @shrinkurl all the time 07:19:05 <MeusH> here 07:19:38 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2DD49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:20:45 <robohomework> i see 07:21:11 <robohomework> i think ive added everything i want adding to it anyway 07:21:40 <robohomework> if the ops dont like a plugin i can dissable it for in here 07:26:35 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2DE22.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:39:19 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn13-124.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:46:16 <MeusH> hmm there are slightly less people on the channel 07:46:33 <MeusH> we used to have over 100 users 07:46:33 <mikk36> what a disaster :/ 07:46:40 <MeusH> ... 07:46:42 <mikk36> MeusH, we used to be in freenode too 07:46:50 <mikk36> which is public network 07:47:00 <mikk36> widely known 07:47:15 <Kjetil> And run by and idiot 07:47:34 <MeusH> still 14 users there 07:47:47 * robohomework is one of them 07:50:50 * robohomework isnt anymore 07:51:20 <MeusH> good robohomework :> 07:56:12 *** Sako [~nicci@sako.ronin.jyu.fi] has joined #openttd 07:56:41 *** A1win [a1win@loota.fi] has joined #openttd 07:56:43 <Sacro> damnit, i need to sneeze and it wont come out 08:00:21 <robohomework> stupid freenode pm blocking 08:01:19 <robohomework> the user sending the pm has to be registered dont they on freenode 08:03:12 *** robohomework is now known as roboboy 08:04:16 <peter1138> yes 08:04:29 <roboboy> ok 08:04:32 <roboboy> hello 08:04:59 <roboboy> that means people cant register to my bot on freenode unless they are registered 08:05:20 <Sacro> and thats a good thing 08:05:43 <roboboy> sort of 08:05:59 <Sacro> hmm, beechams all in 1 is wierd stuff 08:14:27 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D4F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:15:31 * roboboy back to homework 08:15:40 *** roboboy is now known as robohomework 08:18:48 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 08:27:17 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:29:19 <robohomework> hello 08:30:37 <SpComb> Sacro: stand on your head, it helps! 08:31:51 <Sacro> SpComb: does it? 08:32:26 <SpComb> of course! 08:32:30 * SpComb gets the camera ready 08:33:23 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387DC50.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:33:37 <Sacro> :o 08:35:18 <Sacro> hmm, i was sure that if a product broke, it went back to the supplier, rather than the manufacturor 08:36:11 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 08:39:44 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 08:39:59 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-130-125.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:42:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-87.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 08:54:07 <peter1138> Sacro: correct 08:54:12 <peter1138> some suppliers are cocks though 08:54:19 <peter1138> and think it doesn't apply to them 08:54:50 <Sacro> peter1138: i got my mp3 player from advancedmp3players.co.uk, and its broken, its got a 24 month manufacturors warrenty, who should i deal with? 08:54:59 <peter1138> the supplier 08:55:08 <Sacro> even though its over a year old? 08:55:12 <peter1138> oh 08:55:26 <peter1138> well, i'd say yes 08:55:42 <Sacro> also, i use unofficial firmware, its not mentioned on the suppliers site, but is on the manufacturers 08:55:59 <peter1138> does that void the warranty? 08:56:20 <Sacro> well... im not sure 08:56:41 <Sacro> i spoke to them in #rockbox, and they say its worded strangely 09:03:19 <peter1138> well, try the supplier, if not, try the manufacturer... 09:03:33 <peter1138> i had some sennheiser headphones that broke 09:03:40 <peter1138> after about 2 years 09:03:57 <peter1138> i took them back to where i bought them, without a receipt, and they replaced them f-o-c 09:04:14 <peter1138> (and they are still in business, heh) 09:04:29 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:04:50 <Darkvater> peter1138: ADSL? 09:04:55 <MeusH> bye 09:05:02 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 09:05:09 <Darkvater> morning @all :) 09:06:55 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-87.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:08:47 <peter1138> lol, no 09:10:30 <Darkvater> hehe, I knew it 09:13:37 <mikk36> why lol ? 09:16:48 <Darkvater> cause adsl people are evil and enjoy torturing innocent consumers 09:18:33 *** ArmEagle [~armeagle@cc8543-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:18:45 <ArmEagle> ah.. so, why was i in ##openttd? 09:18:56 <Darkvater> freenode 09:19:05 <ArmEagle> hmm i'm pretty sure i joined on this network 09:19:30 <ArmEagle> though being on about 5 servers i might have made a mishap 09:19:36 <tokai> maybe netsplit 09:20:09 <ArmEagle> found the silence a bittoo awkward, but never thought about it :) 09:20:15 *** Ammler [~Ammler@43-207.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:21:24 <Darkvater> :) 09:21:39 *** Ammler [~Ammler@43-207.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 09:21:56 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: 3wks 1day] 09:22:09 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3D8FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:23:55 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:24:02 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-87.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:25:06 *** robohomework is now known as roboboy 09:25:09 <roboboy> hello 09:25:29 <roboboy> does anyone have any objections to robobot 09:25:43 <Darkvater> I think one bot is enough 09:25:54 <roboboy> ok 09:26:09 <roboboy> if you wnat i can remove it 09:27:53 <ArmEagle> ah, what bot do we have here then? 09:28:22 <Darkvater> !openttd log 09:28:23 <_42_> Darkvater: r6438 log: WebTranslator2 update to 2006-09-11 09:18:20 09:28:25 <_42_> Darkvater: brazilian_portuguese - 1 fixed by tucalipe (1) 09:28:27 <_42_> Darkvater: dutch - 7 fixed by habell (7) 09:28:27 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3DD0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:28:38 <ArmEagle> oi 09:29:20 <roboboy> !cnannel commands part #openttd 09:29:52 <roboboy> @channel commands part #openttd 09:29:53 <robobot> roboboy: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please\ contact this bot's administrator for more\ information. 09:30:22 <ArmEagle> hehe,maybe just MSG the bot? :P 09:30:36 <Darkvater> lemme help you 09:30:39 *** robobot was kicked from #openttd by Darkvater [robobot] 09:30:39 *** robobot [~supybot@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:30:52 <Sacro> hehe 09:31:23 <Sacro> bah, parcel force are retarded 09:31:50 <ArmEagle> try a ban :P 09:31:58 <roboboy> @config reload 09:31:59 <robobot> roboboy: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think\ that you should have this capability, be sure\ that you are identified before trying again.\ The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're\ identified. 09:32:32 <ArmEagle> heh, The bots are out of control! Run for cover! 09:32:33 <roboboy> @config reload 09:32:35 <robobot> roboboy: The operation succeeded. 09:32:47 <roboboy> now kicking it should do it 09:32:55 <roboboy> it wont rejoin 09:33:00 <roboboy> it shouldnt 09:33:04 * roboboy dinner 09:33:25 <Sacro> !kick robobot 09:33:54 *** robobot was kicked from #openttd by Darkvater [goodbye, farewell, so looong. It's time I have to gooo, goodbyyeeeeee] 09:33:55 *** robobot [~supybot@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:33:59 <Darkvater> he 09:34:07 <Sacro> or maybe not... 09:38:09 <peter1138> Sacro: so what's new? 09:38:13 <peter1138> (re parcel farce) 09:45:54 <Sacro> peter1138: apparently the US parcel id and the UK parcel id are different, which makes paying import taxes challenging 09:47:09 *** ThePizzaKing_ [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:47:35 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by ThePizzaKing_))] 09:47:43 *** ThePizzaKing_ is now known as ThePizzaKing 09:55:43 *** robobot [~supybot@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [roboboy] 09:56:02 <roboboy> gone 09:58:19 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:58:58 <roboboy> hello 09:58:58 <mikk36> lol 09:59:15 <roboboy> i found the part command 09:59:59 <mikk36> at last :D 10:00:00 <Brianetta> Hey, look, it's the 11th of September. Something really bad happened five years ago. I had moved on, but I'm getting dragged back again. </rant> 10:00:03 <Brianetta> OK, that's off my chest 10:00:12 <mikk36> what ? 10:00:24 <mikk36> Brianetta, u were involved in these things ? 10:00:28 <roboboy> an ip ban on it would cause problems, it would ban me aswell cause its using my ip 10:00:36 <roboboy> terrorists in us 10:00:38 <Brianetta> No more than the rest of the world 10:00:43 <mikk36> ok, fine then 10:00:49 <mikk36> so what's the problem ? 10:00:57 <roboboy> World Trade Centres 10:01:12 <mikk36> i don't think the same way as the US governement wants us to 10:01:12 <Darkvater> *sigh* 10:01:21 <mikk36> i think "loose change" way :) 10:01:25 <Brianetta> The problem is all the rest of the people who were similarly uninvolved bringing it up as conversation, as if it was really the only interesting thing to talk about 10:01:42 <Darkvater> you're bringing it up right now Brianetta 10:01:47 <mikk36> Brianetta, u've seen "Loose Change" ? 10:02:09 *** gw280 [authdenied@vm.gwright.org.uk] has left #openttd [] 10:02:12 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Only my frustration, not the event. mikk36: Yes, and I thought it laughable. 10:02:25 <mikk36> :P 10:02:40 <mikk36> still it's more funny to think this way :) 10:02:44 <mikk36> and keeps u happy too :P 10:02:51 <Darkvater> Brianetta: hehe, yeah. Getting irritated as well. They'll even have *live* coverage on tv here 10:02:54 <Darkvater> sad :( 10:03:45 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202.154.145.18] has joined #openttd 10:03:49 <Brianetta> Loose Change wasted an hour of my life 10:03:57 <mikk36> wasted ? 10:03:57 <peter1138> moo 10:04:07 <Brianetta> Besides, there's much better stuff to talk about 10:04:11 <Brianetta> like autopilot 2.0 10:04:18 * Darkvater gives peter1138 some grass 10:04:20 <mikk36> so why do u bring it up then ?= 10:04:26 <mikk36> the wtc topic 10:04:26 * peter1138 smokes it 10:04:29 <Nigel_> hmmm, bot free again 10:04:39 <Darkvater> Brianetta: saddened to hear about the nightly being discontinued 10:04:45 <Darkvater> shall we blame peter1138 for it? ;) 10:04:47 <Nigel_> !seen nigel 10:04:48 <_42_> Nigel_, Nigel (Nigel@202.154.145.18) was last seen parting #openttd 3 hours 17 minutes ago (11.09. 06:46), after spending 42 minutes there. 10:04:55 <peter1138> blaming me? what did i do? :P 10:05:07 *** Nigel_ is now known as Nigel 10:05:33 <Nigel> heh 10:05:39 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 10:06:22 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Well, it was basically because all the interesting test stuff is in branches 10:06:37 <Brianetta> I'll start running a server from 0.5 10:06:42 <Brianetta> but it'll be a stable server only 10:06:44 <Darkvater> peter1138: cause you fail coding interesting stuff ^_^' 10:07:00 <peter1138> feh :P 10:07:12 <peter1138> i've not coded uninteresting stuff either 10:07:15 <Brianetta> Updating an SVN server every night when there's practically no untested code seemed to me to be a waste of effort 10:07:24 <roboboy> why not a miniin server, I understand it would be realy unstable though 10:07:41 <Brianetta> roboboy: I have never even downloaded the miniin. It simply doesn't interest me. 10:07:49 <roboboy> ok 10:07:57 <Brianetta> It has extra features that will never be in trunk, yet it isn't a fork. 10:08:09 <Brianetta> That lack of direction rules it out for me. 10:09:12 <Darkvater> so..about 911 :) Have you guys heard about the fire fighters? 10:09:40 <Darkvater> They, and a lot of other aid-workers are dying by the bushes because of all the toxic dust, etc. they've inhaled after the event 10:10:10 <Darkvater> These people, who were heroes five years ago, have to go to court now to get the insurance companies pay them their health bills 10:10:34 <Brianetta> Walking heroically into a dust cloud 10:10:39 <Darkvater> and in court they're being un-heroed, called lazy, whatever just so they don't have to pay them 10:11:00 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:11:03 <Brianetta> It's not so herioc if your great sacrifice is to be recompensed by an insurancve company (: 10:11:10 <Brianetta> heroic, even 10:11:20 <Darkvater> and bush today: "yeah, they were heroes" (but we're not goig to pay, so fuck'em) 10:11:32 <Darkvater> I had to laugh so hard 10:12:25 <Nigel> Darkvater, i guess some of the claims they have a right to decline 10:13:10 <Brianetta> What were the firefighters doing without masks on? 10:13:11 <Nigel> neglagence is one area that i think some claims would be justified to be denied under 10:13:17 <Nigel> Brianetta, exactly 10:13:32 <Nigel> gross and utter incompetence 10:13:35 <Brianetta> This should be employment litigation, not insurance claims 10:13:45 <Darkvater> Brianetta: not just ff'ers but first-aid, relief workers, etc. 10:14:17 <Brianetta> Unilateral volunteers were taking their own risks. Those working as part of an organisation should have been provided for. 10:14:26 <Brianetta> Same thing applies. 10:14:49 <Darkvater> that's about all I have to say about 911 10:15:14 <Nigel> Darkvater, if the firefighters didn't tell the FAers etc that the risks where about, the the Firefighters were neglagent, if the firefighters did, then the FAers where neglagent, if the FAer wore masks, then the FAer's have beef with the insurance company 10:16:40 <Darkvater> Nigel: they (all of them) were told it was safe 10:17:09 <Nigel> Darkvater, did someone in the NYFD know that it wasn't? 10:18:03 <Darkvater> wasn't there :) 10:20:18 <Brianetta> I still think insurance claims are a bit misguided. The insurer of the responsible party is liable, not the insurer of the victim (unless they are one and the same). 10:21:03 <peter1138> arrr 10:21:05 <Brianetta> Me, I'd not have helped without protective gear, from what I saw on the telly 10:21:11 <peter1138> our server motherboards have arrived... but not the CPUs :/ 10:21:14 <Brianetta> but I'm one of those uncaring types 10:21:24 <Brianetta> peter1138: Major downer 10:21:51 <Brianetta> How are you going to run openttd -D without CPUs? 10:21:54 <Darkvater> Brianetta: I would've helped if family was there... otherwise get the hell out 10:22:04 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Yeah, family. 10:22:18 <Darkvater> it depends on which part of the family though ;p 10:22:21 <Brianetta> or mates 10:22:31 <peter1138> i know! 10:22:33 * Darkvater is very picky 10:22:38 <Brianetta> heh 10:22:39 <peter1138> mmm, 3 dual oppy servers... 10:22:58 <peter1138> wonder how many 2048x2048 maps that'll run 10:23:07 <Darkvater> hehe 10:23:17 <Darkvater> I almost bought a new pc over the weekend 10:23:26 <Darkvater> but failed to win the ebay auction :( 10:24:09 <peter1138> heh 10:24:37 <Darkvater> lol 10:24:49 <Darkvater> Vice President Dick Cheney voiced that theme yesterday. He 10:24:49 <Darkvater> argued that the Bush administration had made significant progress 10:24:49 <Darkvater> in pacifying Iraq and confronting terrorists and placed blame for 10:26:07 *** orudge [~orudge@host81-132-175-237.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 10:27:21 * peter1138 mutters at painting fences 10:27:24 <Darkvater> by favourite new word since powell proved Iraq had WMD at the UN: a PowellPoint presentation 10:27:33 <Brianetta> The Bush administration un-pacified Iraq in the first place 10:28:00 <Brianetta> US foreign policy 10:28:01 <Brianetta> heh 10:28:05 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387DC50.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:28:05 <Brianetta> say nomore 10:28:09 <Darkvater> infantile 10:28:28 <Darkvater> < lunch 10:28:40 <peter1138> doobydoob 10:34:41 *** orudge [~orudge@host81-132-175-237.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:34:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 10:35:10 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387DC50.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:36:46 * Sacro wants a new system for running a miniin server 10:37:17 <Sacro> >< burping is no good when you have a blocked nose 10:41:22 <peter1138> hmm 10:43:41 <Brianetta> What sort of system do you use at the moment to run a miniin server? 10:43:52 <Sacro> i have my insanly unstable laptop 10:44:09 <Brianetta> Oh, system as in computer 10:44:14 <Sacro> hmm, you'd think that the bbc would broadcast the minutes silence 10:44:15 <Brianetta> I thought you meant system as in routine 10:44:26 <Brianetta> A minutes silence? 10:44:30 <Sacro> or is it not 12:46GMT yet 10:44:30 <Brianetta> meh 10:44:34 <Sacro> im confused 10:44:58 <Gonozal_VIII> [12:44:29] <Sacro> or is it not 12:46GMT yet 10:45:04 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: ? 10:45:18 <Gonozal_VIII> time 10:45:18 <Sacro> thats not helpful :P 10:46:56 <Sacro> "The media, including the BBC, is reporting that survivors of those lost in the 9/11 tragedy are suffering more due to extended media attention, seeking their views. So what does the media do? They interview them to find out how the extended media attention is affecting them." 10:48:05 <Brianetta> (; 10:48:09 <Brianetta> So, um 10:48:17 <Brianetta> which of my clocks is right? 10:48:21 <Brianetta> Is IRC deemed silent? 10:48:31 <Brianetta> Shoul dI even care? 10:49:14 <Brianetta> hmm 10:49:20 <Brianetta> My IRC clock was wrong 10:50:04 <Brianetta> date 10:50:15 <Sacro> i dunno 10:50:25 <Sacro> im pretty sure i set mine using ntp 10:50:28 <Brianetta> sorry, I meant to type that at my shell 10:50:46 <Brianetta> My work PC and my home PC are in sync to the second, by independant time sources 10:51:02 <Brianetta> I'm comfortable that they're both correct 10:51:25 * PandaMojo uses time.gov 10:51:35 <Sacro> Mon Sep 11 11:54:32 BST 2006 10:51:41 <Brianetta> I use the NTP pool 10:52:15 <Brianetta> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5319522.stm 10:52:45 <Gonozal_VIII> you are 2 minutes and 57 seconds ahead sacro 10:53:05 <Brianetta> Mon Sep 11 10:53:05 UTC 2006 10:53:07 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: i was told that last night too 10:53:19 <Sacro> apparently im BST+00:03 10:53:38 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 10:53:42 <Sacro> right, whats the command to sync 10:54:44 <Brianetta> Depends. Do you have an NTP service rnning? 10:54:55 <Brianetta> If so, configure it correctrly and do nothing. 10:54:56 <Sacro> errm...daaemon? 10:55:03 <Brianetta> Yes, a daemon 10:55:04 <Gonozal_VIII> ftp://ftp.netcult.ch/mirror/elmue/DesktopOrganizer(PTBSync)-en.zip <-- i use this 10:55:16 <Sacro> ntp daemon and client running 10:55:22 <Brianetta> Synchronising the clock isn't a desktop task 10:55:26 <Sacro> [11:58] <Gonozal_VIII> ftp://ftp.netcult.ch/mirror/elmue/DesktopOrganizer(PTBSync)-en.zip <-- i use this 10:55:27 <Sacro> [11:55] <<Sacro>> ntp daemon and client running 10:55:28 <Brianetta> It's a system-wide thing, affecting all users 10:55:30 <Sacro> think it worked 10:56:04 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm the only user on my pc 10:56:49 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: theres only me, root, and a couple of system users running here 10:57:28 <Brianetta> I treat all PCs as multi-user, including my laptop 10:57:38 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 10:57:41 <Brianetta> System time also affects system tasks 10:57:42 <Gonozal_VIII> why? 10:58:17 <Brianetta> Gonozal_VIII: First, consistency. Second, others might occasionally use my PC. 10:58:29 <Gonozal_VIII> ok.. 10:58:37 <Brianetta> Third, multi-user is an operating paradigm, not just a user count. 10:58:52 <Sacro> yes, even though theres only me, i never use root 10:59:15 <Gonozal_VIII> <-- winxp user 10:59:29 <Brianetta> Windows 95, for example, is a single user system. That user is the only user, and everything the computer does is done as that user. This means that worms, etc, are capable of anything. 11:00:00 <Brianetta> That also means that system-wide stuff (such as setting the clock) are desktop concepts 11:00:08 <Brianetta> because it's all the same 11:00:26 <Sacro> yeah 11:02:53 * Sacro sets his clock to 1157972572 11:02:58 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:03:16 <Brianetta> 1157972596 11:03:17 <Brianetta> 1157972597 11:03:18 <Brianetta> 1157972598 11:03:25 <Sacro> etc... :o 11:03:26 <Sacro> :p 11:03:32 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 11:03:37 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 11:05:02 <Nigel> Vista has good user control i think, i'm actually logged in, my account is set Administrator rights, but nothing is running as admin 11:05:37 <Nigel> hmmm, yeah, just checked, nothing running Privledged atm 11:05:49 <Sacro> Nigel: no it really doesnt 11:06:10 <Nigel> and i.e., thats even less privledged 11:06:26 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 11:06:27 <Brianetta> Your ccount isn't administrative if you're not running privileged 11:06:41 <Brianetta> You're just listed as able to switch to the administrative account 11:06:50 <Sacro> a la sudo? 11:06:57 <Brianetta> That's like being listed in the sudoers file in Linux 11:07:17 <Nigel> Brianetta, my account is privledged, i just get to choose when to run programs to my full capabilities 11:07:18 <Sacro> i find that a lack of vi knowledge stops me hacking sudo 11:07:24 <Nigel> not yet exactly... 11:07:29 <Brianetta> Nigel: Sounds like you misunderstand it 11:07:47 <Nigel> with sudoer's you can actually choose what commands someone can run 11:07:49 <Brianetta> Sacro: You can use other editors 11:07:55 <Nigel> (as privledged) 11:08:07 <Sacro> Brianetta: i know, but i want to learn sudo 11:08:10 <Sacro> s/sudo/vi 11:08:13 <Sacro> / 11:08:15 <Brianetta> heh 11:08:36 <Darkvater> /c 11:08:39 <Darkvater> eek 11:08:52 <Sacro> ? 11:09:11 <Brianetta> http://iccf-holland.org/click5.html 11:09:13 * Sacro wonders if Darkvater's eek means i should be wary 11:09:28 <Darkvater> /c << clear screen in irssi 11:10:00 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:10:05 <Sacro> Brianetta: ooh, vim book, and charity 11:10:15 <Brianetta> (: 11:10:37 <Brianetta> OK, Susan's arrived at the office. She's on a diet, so I'm off to buy cakes for the office. 11:10:41 <Sacro> now, do they accept paypal 11:10:43 <Nigel> Brianetta, my user account is privledged, it's got Administrative rights, it just tells me when i need to actually use them, and give me a choice to continue or cancel, with linux, all accounts are unprivledged and i have to explictally gain access to the privledged account (which is the equiv of LUA in Vista/XP) 11:10:53 <Sacro> Brianetta: thats cruel 11:10:59 <Brianetta> I am cruel 11:11:04 <Sacro> Nigel: yes, but linux only asks the once 11:11:17 <Gonozal_VIII> 350 page manual for a text editor? :O 11:11:21 <Darkvater> Sacro: does it? 11:11:29 <Nigel> Sacro, hmmmm, no.... 11:11:36 <Darkvater> I thought it only caches the pw for about 10 minutes within the same terminal 11:11:44 <Sacro> haha, the BBC have screwed up 11:11:49 <Nigel> Darkvater, correct 11:12:03 <Sacro> Darkvater: by defauly 11:12:11 <Sacro> but doesnt LUA just keep on asking 11:12:12 <roboboy> i thought it was it only required the password if you opened a new terminal 11:12:20 <Nigel> Sacro, personally, i like been asked every time 11:12:30 <Sacro> BBC site says minutes silence is at 12:46 GMT, but it hasnt happened yet... 11:12:30 <Nigel> at least i know exactly what i'm allowing 11:13:12 <Turski> Nigel: u should know that without asking -_- 11:13:26 <Sacro> Turski: my point exactly 11:13:45 <Sacro> i like to be able to type "ps -A" and recognise everything 11:14:02 <Gonozal_VIII> isn't it now 12:14 gmt? 11:14:13 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 11:14:14 <Turski> yep 11:14:14 <Sacro> and giggle at "2959 ? 00:00:08 wnck-applet" 11:14:16 <Nigel> i'll just add at this point, that i do use linux, and i do use freebsd, and personally, i perfer Vista's handling, over others 11:14:26 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: no, 12:14 BST 11:14:38 <Gonozal_VIII> bst? 11:14:40 <Turski> Nigel: :F 11:14:43 <Sacro> british summer time 11:14:47 <Sacro> GMT == UTC 11:14:47 <Nigel> Gonozal_VIII, GMT+1 11:15:06 <Sacro> BST = (GMT||UTC) + 1 11:15:07 <Turski> damn, i need second hard drive so i can try Vista 11:15:15 <Turski> is it still free beta? 11:15:25 <Sacro> Turski: depends where you look 11:15:43 <Gonozal_VIII> your summer time and winter time exist parallel? 11:15:44 <Darkvater> it's free 11:15:44 <Turski> hehe 11:15:53 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: eh? 11:15:55 <roboboy> ive heard all the betas will work untill Vista is released 11:16:16 <Darkvater> http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/rc1/en/download.htm 11:16:25 <Turski> then i need only second hard drive.... and they costs too much 11:16:40 <Sacro> Darkvater: damn, and i thought i was l33t for getting it from bittorrent 11:16:52 <Turski> but i still prefer linux 11:17:03 <Nigel> Turski, legally vista is no longer open beta 11:17:12 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 11:17:16 <Turski> :O 11:17:29 * roboboy prefers Ubuntu but is being forced to use xp at the moment 11:17:49 <Noldo> Gonozal_VIII: they do, but only one is officially used 11:17:52 * Turski prefers ubuntu with big K 11:18:02 <Turski> :) 11:18:04 <Sacro> ooh nah, Arch ftw 11:18:27 <Nigel> Darkvater, thats only if you a CPP member though from memory 11:20:31 <Turski> is there yet viruses for vista? :> 11:20:33 <Darkvater> ah 11:20:35 <Darkvater> well didn't try 11:20:40 <Darkvater> don't even wanna try 11:21:00 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:21:22 <Darkvater> I read though that everyone can install it, just you have to activate after 15 days 11:21:27 <Sacro> Turski: probably 11:21:41 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 11:22:27 <Nigel> Darkvater, I got an email today, they are reopening the CPP soon 11:23:06 <Nigel> "Get Your Hands on Windows Vista RC1 11:23:07 <Nigel> Windows Vista Release Candidate 1 (RC1) has been released and will be publicly available in the coming days. For updates, please visit the Web site." 11:23:10 <roboboy> wouldnt certain viruses work fine on vista 11:23:27 <Turski> viruses <3 11:23:27 <Sacro> i know some work under wine 11:23:32 <Turski> hehe 11:23:37 <Turski> have tried? :) 11:23:38 <roboboy> ouch 11:23:42 <Nigel> roboboy, some would i guess, but the best prevention, is know how to use your system 11:23:47 <Sacro> i downloaded IE7RC1 in wine :P 11:23:54 <Turski> haha 11:23:57 <roboboy> yeah 11:24:00 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:24:17 <roboboy> ie1 is pretty good compared to ie6 11:24:29 <roboboy> ^ie7 11:24:40 <Nigel> ie7 is 10 times better still in Vista 11:24:40 <Gonozal_VIII> ie sucks 11:24:55 <roboboy> of couse 11:24:59 <roboboy> i know 11:25:04 <roboboy> but not as much 11:25:04 <Sacro> ie is crap 11:25:16 <Nigel> more difference than IE6 was for XP compared to others 11:25:36 <roboboy> ie7 isnt total crap anymore 11:25:58 <Gonozal_VIII> half crap then? 11:26:19 <Nigel> i'm using about 100kb less memory, than i would be if i was using FF right now 11:26:39 <Gonozal_VIII> 100mb? 11:26:43 <Sacro> yeah, but id rather loose the 100kb and have w3c complience 11:26:47 <Nigel> err yeah, MB 11:26:58 <Nigel> bad day 11:27:01 <Kalpa^> Whine whine 11:27:09 *** Kalpa^ is now known as Kalpa 11:27:10 <Nigel> i thought KB was wrong, but i stuck with it 11:27:13 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:27:55 <Gonozal_VIII> ff uses all the memory it can get.. don't know why 11:28:24 <Nigel> it's the content of the site that matters for me, i don't really care how it looks, if i see an absolutely fantantisc design i may comment, but other than that, i just want to see how great the site is 11:28:31 <Nigel> err the content is 11:28:49 <Nigel> god, i think i should go to sleep pretty soon 11:30:50 <Nigel> like if i look at my bank's design, or Studylink (NZ Student Loan agency), i could come up with thousands of reasons why i don't like the design, but i'd just there for the content 11:31:11 <Sacro> i check to see how well the content is coded 11:32:03 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82149.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 11:32:09 <Nigel> i'd sooner complain about someone doing something illegal, than them having a crap website design 11:39:07 <peter1138> crap website designs should be illegal 11:41:35 <peter1138> or rather, crap coded website designs... 11:44:20 <Nigel> as long as i get what i want, i don't care 11:45:11 <Sacro> peter1138 true 11:45:15 <Sacro> openttd.org has some interesting things to note 11:45:35 <roboboy> id be in jail for my sites design/code 11:45:42 <roboboy> its a giant mess 11:46:01 <Sacro> roboboy: yes 11:46:05 <Sacro> as would Microsoft 11:47:13 <Darkvater> Sacro: such as? 11:47:21 <roboboy> my site started out as a veture from what we learnt at school, i then just started pileing stuff on 11:47:35 <Sacro> Darkvater: 3 x </p> with no <p> :S 11:47:41 <Darkvater> I've fixed that 11:47:49 <Sacro> and quite a few name= with no id= 11:48:23 <Darkvater> screw that :) 11:49:10 <Sacro> line 102 105 and 152 have </p>, but they start at a <div> 11:49:47 <Darkvater> line numbers say nothing to me 11:49:58 <Darkvater> which page? 11:50:07 <Sacro> homepage 11:50:25 <Brianetta> heh, cakes 11:50:30 <Sacro> cakes? 11:50:36 * Darkvater is not responsible for that 11:50:37 <Sacro> ahhh 11:50:47 <Darkvater> I cannot enforce how people write the news-entries 11:50:58 <Brianetta> cakes for an office with dieters in it (: 11:51:20 <Sacro> = more cakes for Brianetta? 11:51:23 <Gonozal_VIII> evil you 11:51:25 <Darkvater> Brianetta: sweet, all for you :D 11:52:38 <peter1138> <p/> was a new one on me, i must say 11:52:49 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! newsounds! 11:52:52 <Brianetta> Last week it was cookies 11:52:56 <Brianetta> but cookies didn't break them 11:53:07 <Brianetta> then one suggested that it was as well I hadn't bought cakes 11:53:10 <Brianetta> muahahahahaha! 11:53:27 <Brianetta> I will break their pathetic 2 week crash diet schemes 11:53:30 * Born_Acorn is currently eating : Maryland Chocolate Chip Cookies (5/7 eaten) 11:53:41 <Brianetta> It's not like there's any physiological benefit possible 11:53:55 * peter1138 is currently coding : Nothing related to OpenTTD (0% complete) 11:53:56 <peter1138> :P 11:54:06 * Brianetta is currently eating: Walnut cake (1/2 slices eaten) 11:54:22 * Sacro currently has a cold, (Estimated time remaining: unknown) 11:54:22 <peter1138> everyone knows that dieting without exercise really works... 11:54:26 * Darkvater is currently picking his nose (40% done) 11:54:31 <Brianetta> Next in eatlist: Starwberry and vanilla swiss roll 11:54:36 <peter1138> o_ 11:54:39 <peter1138> hmm 11:54:45 <peter1138> < pirate 11:54:46 <Darkvater> 50% 11:55:02 <Brianetta> I tell you, excercise without diet doesn't work 11:55:14 * peter1138 offers Darkvater a hammer drill 11:55:17 <peter1138> Brianetta: quite 11:55:18 <Brianetta> I have strong abdominal muscles with squishy fat layered over them 11:55:31 <Brianetta> It bloody *should* work 11:55:38 * Darkvater gladly appreciates the offer 11:56:05 * Darkvater is also currently bored: (5 out of 8 hours) 11:56:16 <Brianetta> Since the high level bridge closed to pedestrians, I now have to go down Castle Stairs to the quayside, then up bottle bank to get to work - then back in the evening, inaddition to the slog up Westgate Hill 11:56:25 <Brianetta> and what happened? I gained weight in muscles. 11:56:50 * Sacro considers a day trip to newcastle 11:57:08 <Darkvater> dieting is overrated 11:57:13 <Darkvater> it's only done by lazy people 11:57:14 <Brianetta> Sacro: I just spent a week in London, and my opinion of Newcastle as an interesting place changed markedly 11:57:37 <Gonozal_VIII> too lazy to eat? 11:57:52 <Sacro> Brianetta: id love to go to London, but im lacking in money, and petrol 11:58:03 <Brianetta> Don't drive there, god 11:58:05 <Brianetta> no 11:58:08 <Sacro> and the ability to go on motorways... 11:58:21 <Darkvater> Gonozal_VIII: too lazy to do any goddamn exercise 11:58:28 <Brianetta> You want to use London's public transport, because it'sintegrated and works 11:58:30 <Gonozal_VIII> [13:58:07] <Sacro> and the ability to go on motorways... <-- why that? 11:58:50 <Brianetta> Gonozal_VIII: Provisional license has a provision against motorway driving 11:58:59 <Gonozal_VIII> oh 11:59:20 <Darkvater> wow, that's kinda sick 11:59:32 <Brianetta> That, or Sacro rides a moped or motorbike under 100cc 11:59:34 <Darkvater> driving in town is far more dangerous than a motorway 11:59:45 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Only for pedestrians 11:59:52 <Darkvater> ;p 12:00:04 <Brianetta> and only because they're not allowed to walk on motorways 12:00:06 <Sacro> Brianetta: its under 50cc that arent allowed on motorways, the 30mph restrictor makes them a tad lethel 12:00:20 <Brianetta> Sacro: I wouldn't like to take a 50 out there 12:00:27 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: im on a provisional, but i have a 125cc 12:00:56 <Sacro> Brianetta: most fun ive had was A19 around middlesborough, 4 lanes wide, and i was in the 3rd :| 12:01:19 <Brianetta> I failed my first driving test, and have not taken a second 12:01:23 <Brianetta> I dislike driving 12:01:33 <Sacro> ive only driven a car once 12:01:36 <Brianetta> I've also given up cycling 12:01:42 * roboboy may never be allowed to drive 12:01:49 <Born_Acorn> Thank Lord! 12:01:54 <roboboy> why 12:01:59 <Brianetta> I have a bicycle, still, but it's so dangerous in the city 12:02:11 <Born_Acorn> I can go onto the streets without fear! 12:02:20 <Brianetta> If I lived in the country, of course, a bicycle would be a must 12:02:22 <Sacro> bicycles are fun 12:02:24 <Sacro> and healthy 12:02:25 <roboboy> but i live in AUS 12:03:04 <Brianetta> but the one-way system in Newcastle, which pitches the cycle lanes in with the traffic, between parking spaces and busy lanes, is deadly 12:03:15 <Brianetta> Only the bus drivers seem to be aware of cyclists 12:03:30 <Brianetta> Taxi drivers are utterly unpredictable 12:03:39 <Brianetta> They've collided with my bike before 12:03:47 <roboboy> in Sydney the bus drivers hate the cyclists cause they take refuge in the busslanes 12:04:04 <Brianetta> In the UK, we have bus & cycle lanes, and we have no-car lanes 12:04:15 <Brianetta> Take your pick, but cycles always share with buses 12:04:20 <Brianetta> and sometimes articulated lorries 12:04:39 <Brianetta> The open countryside is fabulous for cycling 12:04:47 <Brianetta> You can hear traffic from half a mile, easily 12:05:00 <roboboy> in Sydny if you are over 13 you have to ride on the road. They have bike lanes on some roads but not all 12:05:20 <Brianetta> Riding on the pavement in the UK carries a maximum £1000 fine 12:05:30 <Brianetta> It's rarely enforced, though 12:05:37 <Sacro> yeah, never around here 12:05:41 <Brianetta> since the police understand that the road isn't safe 12:06:03 <Brianetta> Giving a backie (two on a bike not designed for it) carries £2000 12:06:08 <Sacro> really? 12:06:11 <Brianetta> really 12:06:12 <Sacro> croggie :P 12:06:21 <Brianetta> Maximum 12:06:39 <Brianetta> If you do that on the one-way you're more likely to face prosecution than doing it on an estate pavement 12:07:01 <Darkvater> UK police would have a field-day in Holland :) 12:07:16 <Sacro> i once got told off for riding the wrong way down a one way street with no lights in the dark 12:08:58 <Brianetta> Sacro: Good job too! 12:09:10 <Brianetta> Darkvater: They would, except they'd all be stoned in hash bars 12:10:09 <Sacro> or with cameras watching for speeders 12:10:24 <Brianetta> Sacro: Speeders kill. 12:10:43 <Sacro> so do most things 12:10:54 <Brianetta> The set of people who drive too quickly, and the set of people who drive dangerously, have a 99% overlap 12:11:06 <Sacro> true 12:11:13 <Brianetta> The speed limit is a maximum, not a goal 12:11:27 <Sacro> and it should be raised 12:11:31 <Brianetta> I think drivers convicted of speeding should have to re-take their driving test. 12:11:37 <Brianetta> No, it should not be raised 12:11:45 <Sacro> i think you should be able to vote retards off the road 12:12:03 <Brianetta> Laws of physics don't change because cars get better handling 12:12:51 <Brianetta> until people come fitted with reinforced spines, etc, the speed limit should stay where it is 12:12:54 <Darkvater> you obviously don't drive a car Brianetta 12:13:04 <Brianetta> Darkvater: By choice 12:13:08 <Darkvater> you have no idea how dangerous low speed-limits are 12:13:17 <Brianetta> How are they dangerous? 12:13:30 <Sacro> ive seen more near misses due to some daft old woman pulling out slowly than at high speed 12:13:48 <Brianetta> Why a near miss? 12:13:57 <Brianetta> because the other vehicle was going much more quickly? 12:14:07 <Darkvater> they are dangerous due the fact that everyone is unrestful and start doing the most idiot things. yes you could say we should change, but that's not going to happen 12:14:11 <Sacro> because the other was doing the speed limit 12:14:17 <Brianetta> Exactly 12:14:20 <Brianetta> that's a maximum 12:14:22 <Darkvater> just take an example at Germany, where there is no speed limit, only advised speed 12:14:30 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Only on autobahn 12:14:31 <Sacro> yes, the UK should have that 12:14:42 <Darkvater> and no, they don't have more deaths, in fact, even less than other countries 12:15:01 <Sacro> i think there should be a place where you can report bad drivers, and get them off the roads, or at least retrained 12:15:03 <Brianetta> Most of the collisions I witness, and all of the times I've been hit by cars, have been in the city 12:15:07 <Brianetta> where the limit is 30 12:15:16 <Darkvater> of course I'm talking about the autobahn. I wouldn't want to have a limit of 120km/h inside a town/village or whatever 12:15:21 <Sacro> because people dont pay enough attention 12:15:23 <Brianetta> and people drive at 30 all the time, regardless of visibility, weather and ongoing traffic conditions 12:15:46 <Brianetta> Blind corners are a good one 12:15:51 <roboboy> in school zones in NSW the limit is 40 km\h and somepeopl stare at there spedo to make shure they dont go over 12:16:03 <Sacro> i know people who dont like going on motorways because of the high speeds, and i think that kind of sort shouldnt be allowed to drive 12:16:09 <Brianetta> roboboy: If they went at about 30km/h, it wouldn't be an issue 12:16:17 <roboboy> or thats what they complained theyed have to do when they were inroduced 12:16:23 <Brianetta> but people seem to think that the speed limit is the target speed 12:16:31 <Brianetta> when it's an absolute upper bound 12:16:42 <roboboy> yeah 12:16:50 <roboboy> sacro i dont agree 12:16:59 <Brianetta> Where there are speed limits, drivers who exceed them should be punished 12:17:12 <Darkvater> I agree; on one condition 12:17:18 <Darkvater> those speed limits should be sensible 12:17:28 <roboboy> yeah i may not be allowed to drive 12:17:29 <Brianetta> There are miniumum speed limits on some roads in the UK 12:17:33 <Darkvater> there are tons of speed limits in Holland for no reason at all, just to annoy the drivers 12:17:33 <Brianetta> The signs are blue and round 12:17:40 <Brianetta> Those signs do not appear on most motorways 12:17:48 <Darkvater> and people ignore them for a reason, and sadly, not just those, but also valid ones 12:18:05 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202.154.145.18] has joined #openttd 12:18:19 <Darkvater> on another note: I'm going to the UK in 3 weeks. Never driven on the 'wrong side' so watch out ;p 12:18:57 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Yellow signals mean stop, but don't be surprised if cars around you interpret it as "accelerate" 12:19:48 <Darkvater> yellow for me is: push the pedal to the metal if you're close enough to squeeze through 12:19:53 <Darkvater> (sadly) 12:20:14 <Darkvater> but only on roads I know by heart and I pass every day so I know there are no consequences 12:20:16 <Brianetta> don't be an amber gambler 12:20:31 <Brianetta> it's trechnically described as an amber signal (: 12:20:39 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@80.159.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 12:20:48 <Sacro> Darkvater: me too 12:21:04 <Brianetta> Sacro: I got hit by a driver who did that once. 12:21:07 <roboboy> my parents do it aswell 12:21:11 <Darkvater> youhave to face it: nobody is going to stop if the lights 20 meters in front of you are turning yellow/amber and you're goin 80 12:21:11 <Sacro> it means "warning, next light might be red" :p 12:21:15 <Brianetta> I was on a pedestrian crossing over the other side of the junction 12:21:34 <Sacro> i think there should be laws concerning how close a crossing is to a junction 12:21:37 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:21:45 <Sacro> round here they put them on roundabout exits, its lethel for a motorbike 12:21:55 <roboboy> my parents only do it if they are close enough, and mainly if they are in a rush 12:22:48 <roboboy> does anyone want to know why i may not be allowed to drive 12:23:09 <Brianetta> GRGRGRGRRRR 12:23:17 <Sacro> roboboy: because your dangerous? 12:23:18 <Brianetta> I sent a user a new mouse inthe internal courier 12:23:26 <roboboy> nope 12:23:28 <Brianetta> and they sent me their broken mouse by return 12:23:34 <Sacro> Brianetta: twas kind of em 12:23:37 <roboboy> I have CP 12:23:42 <Darkvater> CP? 12:23:51 <Brianetta> I sent them an email. "Sheila, Thanks for the mouse. I have popped it into the bin for you." 12:24:08 <Sacro> roboboy: copy protection? 12:24:15 <roboboy> no 12:24:15 <Darkvater> run decss 12:24:26 <roboboy> Cerebral Paulsy 12:24:35 <Sacro> roboboy: ahh, sorry to hear that 12:24:36 <Brianetta> roboboy: It's because you have CP. 12:24:50 <Darkvater> wth is t hat? 12:24:55 <Sacro> Brianetta wins! (though i think he may have cheated!) 12:25:00 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.145.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:04 <Brianetta> CP sufferers sometimes black out. This is deemed an unacceptable risk by the DVLA. 12:25:04 <Sacro> roboboy: one of my friends has that, and she is learning to drive 12:25:21 <roboboy> i dont get blackupts 12:25:28 <Darkvater> this channel is full of weird people 12:25:30 <Brianetta> roboboy: I'm sure they care. 12:25:31 <Sacro> Brianetta: old people do too 12:25:32 * Darkvater backs out 12:25:35 *** Ammler [~Ammler@43-207.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:40 <roboboy> i think its the the response time 12:25:59 <Brianetta> let's see 12:26:02 <Sacro> my mum forgets to change from 3rd to 1st to pull out, i think the dvla should get her off the road 12:26:06 <Brianetta> I say bang, you say "ooh!" 12:26:07 <Brianetta> ready? 12:26:10 <Brianetta> bang 12:26:10 <roboboy> CP is a disablity that affects peoples muscle control 12:26:27 <Brianetta> well, that reaction time's terrible! 12:26:42 <Sacro> Brianetta: drivers dont suffer from IRC lag :p 12:26:53 <roboboy> i didnt see it till too late 12:26:55 <Brianetta> Sacro: No, they suffer from eye-hand/feet latency 12:27:24 <Brianetta> besides, I can ping and subtract that result 12:27:53 <roboboy> gnight 12:28:04 <Brianetta> nighty-night 12:28:09 <Brianetta> nightly server 12:28:16 <Sacro> yes please 12:28:19 <Sacro> night roboboy 12:28:22 <Darkvater> gn 12:28:34 *** roboboy is now known as robobed 12:32:30 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:35:54 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:44 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [] 12:41:10 <Brianetta> OpenTTD needs an on-screen clock that shows the game-time, and trains should have timetabled orders. Game-time and game-date would not have to be related to each other. 12:41:54 <Sacro> yes 12:41:55 <Brianetta> Trains with an order which has a time associated would wait for that time before executing that order. 12:42:28 <Brianetta> Late trains wouldn't wait 12:42:37 <Brianetta> unless 6 hours late (assuming a 12 hour day) 12:42:44 <Noldo> Brianetta: that would have no sense unless the pasangers would react to the time too 12:42:54 <Brianetta> Noldo: It would have sense 12:43:06 <Brianetta> It would give players control over their congested bits 12:43:25 <Brianetta> Timetables were never for passengers' benefit 12:43:30 <Brianetta> they were for organisational benefit 12:43:59 <Brianetta> Before telecommunications, signalmen had to know which train to expect when, in order to set points 12:44:27 <Brianetta> and timetabling would allow for large signal blocks at junctions, if it could be guaranteed that trains wouldn't all arrive at once 12:44:42 <Brianetta> and duplex track would become a doddle 12:44:51 <Brianetta> passing places located as per timetable 12:45:08 <Sacro> or vice versa 12:45:14 <Brianetta> yes 12:46:03 <Brianetta> Each 2 second day could also represent a 5 minute time span 12:46:18 <Brianetta> or less 12:46:28 <Brianetta> 1 minute per day, perhaps 12:46:41 <Brianetta> Yeah, I think that smells right 12:49:55 *** Ammler_ is now known as Ammler 12:51:38 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-87.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:51:52 *** ArmEagle [~armeagle@cc8543-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:53:50 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC69B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:54:48 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D4F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:58:28 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-38.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 12:59:07 <mikk36> as for timetables, 1 second per half an hour is way too small 13:03:02 <Brianetta> I suggested one minute per day 13:03:16 <Brianetta> which is 1 hour every half minute 13:03:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7584E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:03:36 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 13:03:38 <mikk36> <Brianetta> 1 minute per day, perhaps 13:03:47 <Brianetta> yes 13:03:56 <mikk36> 1 minute = 60 seconds 13:03:57 <Brianetta> One game-day is 2 seconds 13:04:08 <Brianetta> One timetable minute would be 2 seconds 13:04:14 <mikk36> oh, ok 13:04:20 <Brianetta> You had the fraction upside down 13:04:37 <Brianetta> (: 13:04:39 <Brianetta> like my smiles 13:04:41 <mikk36> nope 13:04:44 <mikk36> i didn't 13:05:00 <mikk36> i just did not relate it to game day in our time 13:05:09 <Brianetta> oh 13:05:34 <Brianetta> Oh, right, one physical minute is a day on the timetable 13:05:38 <Brianetta> gargh 13:05:40 <Brianetta> that's be hell 13:05:47 <Brianetta> trains would be late before they'd pulled out 13:05:52 <mikk36> :P 13:06:10 <mikk36> that's the problem 13:06:13 <Brianetta> Well, I was envisaging a 12 hour day 13:06:24 <mikk36> if u'd like to deal with timetables, play trainz :) 13:06:25 <Brianetta> So there's no am/pm 13:06:39 <Brianetta> I can't run trainz until they finish the Linux version 13:06:44 <mikk36> :P 13:07:03 <Gonozal_VIII> there is no am/pm in german without having 12h days^^ 13:07:06 <mikk36> and cedega is not good enough ? 13:11:20 <Brianetta> Gonozal_VIII: I was thinking 12 hour day for two reasons - it keeps the day smaller, which reduces the gap between a day length and a day length, and it also means a simple analogue clock can be used on-screen. 13:11:34 <Brianetta> A 24 hour clock would work just fine, though 13:11:59 <Gonozal_VIII> ok, analogue is hard with 24h 13:12:38 <Brianetta> but a clock would probably be digital, and in the status bar 13:13:32 <peter1138> 1 minute = 2 seconds = 2 minutes for an hour = 24 minutes for a day? 13:14:48 <peter1138> also 13:14:51 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 13:14:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 13:16:31 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 13:16:39 <peter1138> also? 13:16:40 <peter1138> hmm 13:16:44 <peter1138> what was that 13:17:29 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17:39 *** Wolfy [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:21:31 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D4F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:28:44 <Maedhros> hmm. patch options marked as "network sync, but don't save" don't seem to be synced when joining a network game 13:31:32 <Darkvater> there are no such options 13:31:39 <Darkvater> there are only options: save but don't sync 13:33:06 <Maedhros> what does NS mean then, e.g. with yapf.rail_longer_platform_penalty? 13:33:49 <peter1138> probably means someone boobood 13:33:50 <KUDr_wrk> Maedhros: not saved but transfered over network for MP 13:34:49 <Maedhros> thought so ;) 13:34:55 <KUDr_wrk> me too 13:34:59 <Maedhros> but they only seem to be transferred when changing a setting 13:35:02 <KUDr_wrk> but maybe i am wrong 13:35:16 <KUDr_wrk> so it could be the reason 13:35:44 <peter1138> no save == no sync 13:35:53 <KUDr_wrk> then we need to repair it if it is the case 13:36:52 <Darkvater> NS is the same as S which means it is *NOT* saved with the savegame 13:37:03 <Darkvater> and if something is *NOT* saved it is not synced 13:37:03 *** grimrc [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:37:09 <Darkvater> just as peter1138 said 13:37:38 <KUDr_wrk> then i did the big mistake when i used it instead of incrementing savegame revision 13:37:39 *** Ammler [~Ammler@80.159.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:38:02 <peter1138> well 13:38:08 <peter1138> easy to change, heh 13:38:20 <KUDr_wrk> probably 13:38:36 <KUDr_wrk> only we need to increment revision number 13:39:24 <Darkvater> that is not a problem 13:39:30 <KUDr_wrk> or we can force them to be transferred as "changed settings" 13:39:57 <Darkvater> why would you not want this saved? 13:40:13 <KUDr_wrk> because then it is hard to change them 13:40:21 <KUDr_wrk> they always overwrite 13:40:44 <KUDr_wrk> and user can't change them easily to see their effect when tunning 13:41:11 <KUDr_wrk> changing them via console is not easy 13:41:46 <KUDr_wrk> so you really need them in savegame only for network games 13:41:59 <KUDr_wrk> or synced otherwise 13:42:20 <peter1138> the savegame is the only place they're transferred 13:42:28 <KUDr_wrk> now 13:42:36 <peter1138> for a long time 13:42:52 <KUDr_wrk> but we can force them to be transferred by network 13:42:59 <KUDr_wrk> i understand 13:43:06 <KUDr_wrk> i did mistake 13:43:07 <peter1138> better to just save them 13:43:13 <KUDr_wrk> misundertood how it works 13:43:19 <peter1138> the network syncage was removed deliberately, heh 13:43:37 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/yapfsave.diff 13:43:37 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:43:43 <peter1138> woo, active peter1138-devving ;p 13:45:58 <peter1138> i wonder if it works... 13:47:26 <KUDr_wrk> looks good 13:47:29 <Darkvater> hmm... the settings haven't been finetuned for a long time and seem to have worked 13:47:33 <KUDr_wrk> somebody should try it 13:47:34 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N828P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:47:45 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N910P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 13:47:45 <Darkvater> so saving them would not be disadvantageous 13:47:47 <KUDr_wrk> (in nightly?) 13:48:06 <Darkvater> and if you do finetune them, then every new game will get the new values, and old games stay 13:48:07 <KUDr_wrk> only difficult to play with that values 13:48:10 <Darkvater> and don't get bothered 13:48:24 <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: 99.9% haven't changed those values 13:48:31 <KUDr_wrk> true 13:48:48 <KUDr_wrk> but some ask me what values to change 13:49:03 <KUDr_wrk> and i must explain them that it will not work 13:49:07 <KUDr_wrk> for old games 13:49:11 <KUDr_wrk> only for new 13:49:22 <KUDr_wrk> but ok 13:49:43 <KUDr_wrk> until we have new (flexible) savegame format.... 13:50:07 <Darkvater> no it will also work for old games 13:50:09 <Darkvater> in the console 13:50:21 <KUDr_wrk> yes - console is the option 13:50:23 <Darkvater> patches yapf.whatever X 13:50:47 <Darkvater> I mean if that's hard to do... phew...don't ever touch a computer again 13:50:51 <KUDr_wrk> so i must lear how to do it and post it on wiki 13:50:56 <KUDr_wrk> learn 13:50:56 *** Carib [~caribou27@AToulon-151-1-31-5.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 13:51:11 <Darkvater> I am just not sure if 'patches' also works in offline mode 13:51:13 <KUDr_wrk> hard to remember 13:51:25 <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: well what was the other option? 13:51:32 <KUDr_wrk> config 13:51:32 <Darkvater> open openttd.cfg and change the value there, right? 13:51:37 <KUDr_wrk> yes 13:51:41 <Darkvater> that's not easier to remember either 13:51:52 <KUDr_wrk> much easier to edit something than to remember command 13:51:53 <Darkvater> okay, a tiny bit ;) 13:52:19 <KUDr_wrk> for me significantly - dunno how for others 13:52:26 <Darkvater> new flexible savegame format won't help either if the value is saved 13:52:43 <Darkvater> unless you allow openttd.cfg values to override savegame values 13:52:45 <KUDr_wrk> it can be saved for MP only 13:52:52 <Darkvater> but that would also be possible with current code 13:53:05 <KUDr_wrk> yes, but it is not yet done 13:53:22 <KUDr_wrk> so ithis kind of flexibility must be coded anyway 13:53:40 <KUDr_wrk> if we want to use it 13:54:00 <KUDr_wrk> would be nice i guess, but i don't drive the development here 13:55:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7584E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:55:26 <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: you remember I had nothing against it. Just didn't feel that we should use 2 savegame formats at the same time 13:55:28 *** Ammler [~Ammler@80.159.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 13:55:52 <KUDr_wrk> yes, understand - the code could get even more messy 13:56:21 <KUDr_wrk> and each savegame must have this flag set or not depending if it is SP or MP 13:56:27 <KUDr_wrk> it is complicated 13:58:33 <Darkvater> with current sys? 13:58:36 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7584E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:58:42 <KUDr_wrk> yes 13:59:00 <Darkvater> actually all it has to have set is a flag for the setting in question 13:59:00 <KUDr_wrk> to do it only as "NS flag implementation" 13:59:10 <Darkvater> like: NETWORK_FLAG or something 13:59:18 <Darkvater> then it's loaded on mp, and skipped in sp 13:59:39 <KUDr_wrk> yes, but you need to be able to load MP into SP 13:59:44 <KUDr_wrk> i guess 14:00:09 <KUDr_wrk> for diagnostics or if you would like to continue as SP 14:00:34 <KUDr_wrk> so savegame revision need to be extended by this flag too 14:00:48 <KUDr_wrk> or am i wrong? 14:01:46 <Darkvater> it all depends on what you want. Right now the savegame system is driven by the save-tables and their flags 14:01:59 <Darkvater> you can do everything with those, although not that flexibly 14:03:42 <KUDr_wrk> i will look at it soon 14:03:46 <Darkvater> I think for the time being best is to save those values, tell users to use the console 14:03:54 <KUDr_wrk> to learn more how complex it would be 14:04:03 <Darkvater> and then think about the new save-code (ala yapf) and do all of the changes in there 14:04:05 <KUDr_wrk> yes 14:04:28 <KUDr_wrk> you mean totally new? like structured? 14:04:44 <Darkvater> well I donnu, what you brewed up for yapf :) 14:04:50 <KUDr_wrk> yes 14:04:55 <Darkvater> loading driven by the file itself 14:04:57 <KUDr_wrk> it was structured with tags 14:05:13 <KUDr_wrk> so any value that is missing has some defauld 14:05:16 <KUDr_wrk> t 14:05:31 <KUDr_wrk> so no revision numbers 14:05:43 <Darkvater> I think you still need savegame versions 14:05:44 <KUDr_wrk> and nearly full compatibility 14:05:59 <Darkvater> when a format changes you need to update old games to the new code 14:06:02 <KUDr_wrk> yes, but for debug purposes i guess 14:06:04 <Darkvater> you cannot ignore thise 14:06:06 <Darkvater> -e 14:06:14 <KUDr_wrk> aha 14:06:30 <KUDr_wrk> yes 14:06:31 <Darkvater> eg all the code in AfterLoadSavegame() or whatever it is 14:07:03 <KUDr_wrk> it can be done by "if (wasValueLoaded(valueName))" 14:07:05 <Darkvater> AfterLoadGame(void) 14:07:17 <Darkvater> no, even more 14:07:27 <KUDr_wrk> instead of "revision <= 13" 14:07:53 <Darkvater> not enough 14:08:16 <KUDr_wrk> i need to learn how it works now to see 14:08:23 <Darkvater> for example in a prior version town houses were moved from _m[tile].m2 to _m[tile].m4 (or something similar) 14:08:33 <Darkvater> nothing has changed regarding the saved code or values 14:08:33 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7584E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:40 <KUDr_wrk> aha 14:08:41 <Darkvater> just a change of semantics 14:08:41 <KUDr_wrk> yes 14:08:54 <Darkvater> the only way to recognize this was a savegame-version bump 14:08:55 <KUDr_wrk> so they should have different tag 14:09:08 <KUDr_wrk> only those map cells 14:09:22 <KUDr_wrk> so they can be processed different way 14:09:37 <KUDr_wrk> but you are right 14:09:43 <KUDr_wrk> it will be more complex 14:09:47 <Darkvater> he, but what if suddenly for v->vehicle_type we choose to save them with a value of -10 to each 14:09:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7584E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:09:56 <Darkvater> so VEH_Train is not 16 but 6 14:10:08 <Darkvater> only through a save-bump can you 'fix' this 14:10:22 <KUDr_wrk> yes 14:10:28 <KUDr_wrk> or save also enums 14:10:32 <Darkvater> I think savegame versions are very good so let's keep them 14:10:33 <Darkvater> but 14:10:38 <KUDr_wrk> and recalc them on load 14:10:45 <KUDr_wrk> yes 14:10:48 <Darkvater> the game can choose to enforce or ignore this 14:10:57 <KUDr_wrk> true 14:11:02 <Darkvater> eg choose a 'quirks mode' where it just loads the old game and sees what happens 14:11:04 <KUDr_wrk> it should be there 14:11:39 <Darkvater> because ok, great "recalc enums on load". Ok, good, nice job. But what when someone else changes? You cannot write special code for every conceivable way. 14:11:41 <KUDr_wrk> yes, loaders can change in the future too, so this info should be provided 14:11:43 <Darkvater> at least that'show I see it 14:12:06 <KUDr_wrk> then i would suggest to use also svn revision number 14:12:16 <KUDr_wrk> easier to track 14:12:36 *** Carib [~caribou27@AToulon-151-1-31-5.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 14:13:07 <Darkvater> only advantage would be a single number. Otherwise it's just more confusing. Savegames change once in about 400-500 revisions 14:13:25 <KUDr_wrk> hmm, true 14:15:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 14:16:19 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:24:41 <Darkvater> United flight 351 en route to San Francisco from Atlanta was 14:24:41 <Darkvater> rerouted after a backpack and Blackberry not belonging to any 14:24:41 <Darkvater> passengers were found onboard, CNN said. The backpack was found in 14:24:41 <Darkvater> the cargo hold of the plane before departure and removed, and the 14:24:41 <Darkvater> Blackberry was discovered after take off, CNN said. 14:24:44 <Darkvater> idiots 14:24:56 <Darkvater> just pick up the blackberry and put it in your pocket 14:25:01 <Darkvater> yaay for free BB's \o/ 14:25:39 <peter1138> OMG IT MIGHT BE A BOMB 14:26:56 <Darkvater> they should've evacuated the plane. Open the doors and jump out at 10.000 feet 14:27:27 <peter1138> yeah, cos 10' is a lot ;) 14:28:08 <Darkvater> 10K\ 14:28:15 <Darkvater> damn you pointies 14:30:58 <Gonozal_VIII> . <-- not a comma :P 14:31:28 *** Gonozal_VIII was kicked from #openttd by Darkvater [,] 14:31:28 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N910P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 14:35:49 *** robobed [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:39:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82725.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:39:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:40:40 * peter1138 idly wonders about Tron_'s bridge 14:40:42 <peter1138> +work 14:41:37 * Darkvater starts daydreaming 14:42:18 <hylje> oooh, shiny bridges 14:50:26 *** scia_ [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:51:58 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:52:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:57:15 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:59:55 *** Greeny [Greeny@ppp85-140-8-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 15:00:04 <Greeny> hi 15:00:09 <hylje> HI 15:00:19 <Greeny> just 1 question 15:00:49 <Greeny> in new build of TTD i can play with my friends? i mean multiplayer game 15:01:03 <hylje> yes 15:01:10 <Greeny> what protocole? 15:01:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7584E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:10 <hylje> tcp/udp 15:02:25 <glx> !openttd ports 15:02:28 <glx> !openttd port 15:02:30 <_42_> glx: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advsertise) communication (outbound) 15:02:47 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82725.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:03:15 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:06:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7584E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:08:10 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 15:13:33 *** Hagbard_ [~hagbardde@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 15:14:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7584E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:15:00 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 15:17:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B821D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:17:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:20:38 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@gprs-pool-1-023.eplus-online.de] has joined #openttd 15:22:40 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:23:32 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@gprs-pool-1-023.eplus-online.de] has quit [] 15:25:42 <Darkvater> < home 15:43:28 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Au revoir!] 15:47:18 *** _WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 15:47:23 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:49:02 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:51:37 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:52:35 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 15:56:03 *** _WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:00:08 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:25 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:04:51 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176101143.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:04:59 *** KUDr_wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:11:28 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B370AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 16:12:15 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:12:18 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 16:18:22 *** KUDr_wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 16:23:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7584E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:25:04 <CIA-2> miham * r6439 /trunk/lang/catalan.txt: 16:25:04 <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-09-11 18:24:37 16:25:04 <CIA-2> catalan - 102 fixed, 10 changed by arnaullv (112) 16:26:50 <peter1138> so we need to save this yapf stuff, yes? 16:26:51 <peter1138> hmm 16:26:56 * peter1138 fixes the diff 16:27:02 <peter1138> (so it compiles, heh) 16:28:12 <Belugas> that's the magic of compilers : they work even without ADSL ;) 16:30:00 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202.154.145.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:31:02 <peter1138> heh 16:31:16 <peter1138> it helps if i can get my home copy up to date, though 16:31:52 *** Ajcon [~ajcon2@83.145.59.26] has joined #openttd 16:32:24 <Maedhros> ooh, thunder 16:32:32 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! newsounds! 16:33:43 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:33:52 <Belugas> good luck, Mister Nelson :) 16:36:29 <ln-> admiral? 16:39:53 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176102168.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:41:38 <Born_Acorn> Admiral Peter Nelson. He sailed the seven seas but came home when he ran out of Kentucky Fried Chicken. 16:42:38 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176101143.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:43:49 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p5081959E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:43:53 <AsterixMG> hi @all 16:44:00 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:45:39 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-236-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:46:02 <Wolf01> hi 16:46:58 <AsterixMG> hi Wolf01 17:16:22 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-87.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:19:14 <KUDr> peter1138: should i commit your patch? 17:20:05 <ln-> do you have darkvater's and tron's approval signed in three copies? 17:20:20 <KUDr> hehe 17:20:43 <KUDr> peter1138 is probably working on it so I ask him 17:21:07 * AsterixMG wants his patch committed, too 17:21:13 <KUDr> don't care about approvals otherwise - it is needed to fix 17:21:21 <AsterixMG> but i don' have any approvals signed yet :/ 17:24:10 <Born_Acorn> Once you have them signed in triplicate, you must obtain form 4852b/5, and have that signed in triplicate too. 17:24:50 <Born_Acorn> form 4852b/5 allows you to gain access to form 3245f/9, which is the "New Years Day Parade" form. 17:25:16 <Born_Acorn> Once you've featured in the parade, you can get a commit form. 17:28:30 <CIA-2> KUDr * r6440 /trunk/ (saveload.c settings.c): -Fix: [YAPF] some YAPF settings were not saved (i misunderstood how save flags work). This probably caused some MP desyncs. Thanks Maedhros for noticing and peter1138 for this patch. 17:28:56 <Belugas> The Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging, that is... 17:35:24 *** Hagbard_2 [~hagbardde@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:36:49 *** Hagbard_2 [~hagbardde@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [] 17:37:43 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 17:42:03 <Wolf01> Frostregen: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=491023#491023 adjacent depots, lol 17:42:35 *** Hagbard_ [~hagbardde@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:44:51 <Wolf01> but what i want is a open space depot where you build trains like locomotion, the trains would be long as the depot, so if you want bigger trains, build bigger depots, you want more trains in a depot build more platforms 17:45:03 <hylje> yes 17:45:17 <hylje> and trains would need to wait for some time for repairs 17:45:26 <hylje> so a large network needs a large depot area 17:49:03 <Wolf01> and for backward-player-compatibility you should be able to use both the gui (and you will see the train magically appear in the track inside the depot) and the drag-to-track 17:50:36 *** scia_ [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:50:38 <Wolf01> depots will behave like stations, so you must use the same layouts and signals and you can make RoRo depots 17:52:45 <Wolf01> but what about if a train long 10 tiles enter a depot long 6 tiles? 17:53:39 <Wolf01> ok, brain-shutdown, too much used today 17:54:13 <AsterixMG> hmm, i remember that this was discussed over a year ago, too :) 17:54:42 <AsterixMG> i think the end was maybe at some time later :P 18:06:07 *** znikoz [znikoz@82.207.44.181] has joined #openttd 18:08:45 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:10:33 *** jonty_comp [Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:10:35 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15:07 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B821D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:16:38 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82A73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:16:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:19:00 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-87.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:28 *** jonty_comp [Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Don't follow me] 18:35:48 <CIA-2> miham * r6441 /trunk/lang/catalan.txt: 18:35:48 <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-09-11 20:35:18 18:35:48 <CIA-2> catalan - 2 fixed, 23 changed by arnaullv (25) 18:36:27 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-87.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:38:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:55:24 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:58:37 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Quit: <!--#Exec cmd='Quit'-->] 19:04:24 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Lunch] 19:05:36 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B82A73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:09:36 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p54B82A77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:10:31 *** tokai|mdlx is now known as tokai|tv 19:14:57 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B82A73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:10 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82A73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:21:26 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 19:22:04 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:12 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c67.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:30:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:30:30 *** Mucht|zZz [~Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: I'll be back!] 19:30:30 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:30:51 <Bjarni> hi people 19:30:55 <Sacro> hey Bjarni 19:30:58 <Bjarni> how many of you survived today? 19:31:05 <AsterixMG> hi Bjarni 19:31:06 <Sacro> me, just 19:31:07 <Sacro> why? 19:31:14 <AsterixMG> 11.9. 19:32:37 <Sacro> oh...so it is 19:34:17 <Bjarni> so Sacro is unaware of the world around him. Nothing new in that :P 19:35:03 *** Mucht [~Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 19:36:01 * Sacro is ill 19:36:05 <Sacro> bbl going for a walk 19:36:08 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-87.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37:39 <Bjarni> o_O 19:37:45 <Bjarni> outside??? 19:38:12 <Wolf01> no, in the carpet 19:38:19 <Wolf01> around the table 19:38:32 <AsterixMG> well, as he said he is ill... if he was healthy he wouldn't go outside ;) 19:38:35 <Wolf01> sacro is not cord-less like us 19:38:44 <Bjarni> looking at the clock and his neighbourhood, there is a 50% chance that he will return home today 19:39:02 <Wolf01> he must stay at some distance from his computer 19:39:33 <Bjarni> why, is it leaking radiation? 19:40:41 <Wolf01> err... no, i meant distance(sacro,computer)<cord 19:44:40 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:46:02 <Bjarni> ahh 19:47:15 *** tokai|tv [~tokai@p54B82A77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:52:55 <ln-> Bjarni: http://iphone.org/ 19:54:15 <Bjarni> ln-: looks a lot like www.apple.com 19:54:26 <ln-> yes, i know. 19:54:47 <Bjarni> so what is this page? 19:55:01 <Bjarni> a clone with minor adjustments? 19:55:39 <Bjarni> to make people think that Apple don't want to support customers or something? 19:55:51 <Bjarni> somehow I trust the real domain more :P 19:56:34 <ln-> Registrant Name:Apple Computer , Inc. 19:56:42 <Bjarni> hmm 19:56:57 <Bjarni> then I really presume that it is a mirror 19:57:05 <Bjarni> but why? :) 19:57:18 <Bjarni> anyway those 24" iMacs looks cool 19:57:44 <hylje> they look exactly the same as the 20" and 17" iMacs, just larger 19:58:02 <hylje> and iMacs have looked the same for, waht? 3 years? 19:58:03 <Bjarni> I meant the specifications ;) 19:58:38 <ln-> who knows if there will be an iPhone soon... or then not. 19:58:57 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:59:08 <Bjarni> Steve Jobs knows 19:59:42 <hylje> what you say if he reveals a widescreen iPod and a iPhone tomorrow 19:59:59 <Bjarni> "what you say"... 20:00:09 <Bjarni> all your software belong to us? 20:01:16 <hylje> you got the pun, i see 20:01:27 <hylje> but more like somebody set up us the hardware 20:01:46 <hylje> (not according to the ayb tho) 20:02:46 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:04:44 *** znikoz [znikoz@82.207.44.181] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05:37 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:15:02 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:17:39 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:22:51 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp15-26.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 20:26:34 *** orudge [~orudge@host81-132-175-237.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 20:28:59 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-38.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 20:33:29 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B370AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:38:40 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6442 /trunk/ship_gui.c: 20:38:40 <CIA-2> -Fix: ship depots windows now only draws the ships inside the depot instead of all ships in the depot tile 20:38:40 <CIA-2> This bug was visible when a ship left. The window redraw was called, but it still saw the ship since it didn't leave the tile yet and it left a ghost in the depot window 20:40:33 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:31 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 21:02:02 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:03 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:02:55 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387DC50.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:07:35 *** Ajcon [~ajcon2@83.145.59.26] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 21:14:25 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.145.18] has joined #openttd 21:17:56 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC69B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:20 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p5081959E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 21:31:36 <Bjarni> hmm 21:31:47 <Bjarni> either this channel is dead or I'm not as popular as I used to be 21:32:00 <Bjarni> nobody started celebrating my great commit :s 21:33:21 <Kjetil> All hail the glorious Bjarni 21:33:27 <blathijs> hurrah, hurrah 21:33:47 <Bjarni> what took you so long? 21:34:34 <Bjarni> and you mean that you always was bothered by this "serious" bug and is really happy that it's finally fixed, right? 21:34:47 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:54 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:36:59 <Bjarni> man, this channel have really gone downhill lately :( 21:37:22 <mikk36> :P 21:38:10 <mikk36> ok, off to bed now to watch last year's gumball rally :) 21:38:21 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 21:38:27 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i just found this in a configuration file 21:38:28 <Eddi|zuHause> if [ "$AUTHNAME" = 'BillGates' ]; then 21:38:29 <Eddi|zuHause> /sbin/isdnctrl hangup $IFNAME 21:38:29 <Eddi|zuHause> fi 21:41:29 <mikk36> lol ? 21:42:28 <Bjarni> we should add that to our makefile :P 21:43:00 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D4F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:43:25 *** Tuck [~norespons@p57A2F033.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:43:29 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-187-203.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 21:43:45 <Bjarni> maybe without the if, since ISDN sucks :P 21:44:27 <Bjarni> "we wanted to prevent your computer to use too much CPU power on the internet to improve compiletime" 21:44:38 <Tuck> where i can get the newgrf's ?¿? 21:45:06 <Bjarni> symtax error 21:45:11 <Bjarni> incorrect usage of ¿ 21:45:13 <Bjarni> :P 21:45:44 *** izhirahider [~izhirahid@izhirahider.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46:16 <Bjarni> http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/ 21:47:38 <Tuck> Thanks 21:48:13 *** Guest56 [Gono@N898P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:49:09 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:49:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-236-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 21:49:16 <mikk36> night 21:49:24 <mikk36> blah :P 21:49:35 <mikk36> 1 sec late 21:50:32 <Bjarni> you type too slow :P 21:51:35 <mikk36> i thought too much 21:51:49 <mikk36> also i'm sideways compared to the keyboard 21:52:04 <Rexxie> "night" sure takes a lot of thinking 21:52:20 * Rexxie hides 21:52:27 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N910P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:32 <Bjarni> trying to simulate an SD-40 cab by sitting sideways? 21:52:43 <mikk36> in bed u know 21:53:18 <Bjarni> ohh I like the sound of that... bed+locomotive... sounds almost like real life :P 21:53:41 <Guest56> you sleep in a locomotive? 21:53:58 <Bjarni> not me 21:54:00 <Bjarni> other people 21:54:19 <Bjarni> how else will you explain the "failure to stop at platform" incidents? :) 21:54:39 <Brianetta> Like the driver of the steam train here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewisham_rail_crash 21:56:12 <Guest56> doesn't a train stop when the driver doesn't press a special button every x seconds? 21:56:33 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 21:56:39 <Brianetta> Well, nowadays, sure 21:56:46 <Brianetta> but that was a steam loco 21:56:59 <Bjarni> I don't think that driver was asleep 21:57:04 <Bjarni> it was foggy 21:57:08 <Brianetta> No, he wasn't 21:57:13 <Brianetta> but he was very inattentive 21:57:19 <Brianetta> I read the entire report last week. 21:57:25 <Brianetta> I was up till 3 /-: 21:57:55 <Bjarni> why? 21:58:16 <Brianetta> um 21:58:31 <Bjarni> Helen was moving a lot in her sleep? 21:58:38 <Brianetta> um 21:58:40 <Bjarni> kicking you out of bed? 21:58:41 <Brianetta> I was just reading it 21:58:58 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 21:59:05 <Brianetta> It's part of my psychological makeup 21:59:12 <Brianetta> a need to inhale information 21:59:17 <Bjarni> err 21:59:21 <Bjarni> ahh 21:59:24 <Brianetta> I huffed that report 21:59:53 <Bjarni> did you read about the GG1 incident in Washington in 1953? 22:00:01 <Brianetta> no 22:00:29 <Bjarni> brake failure at 80 mph 22:00:30 <Brianetta> It sounds like a US train 22:00:38 <Brianetta> I know the Lewisham line 22:01:00 <Brianetta> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRR_GG1#A_GG1_crash 22:01:02 <Brianetta> hehe, photo 22:01:05 <Eddi|zuHause> someone please tell me what of last nights 2GB system update broke my dsl connection... 22:01:50 <Brianetta> Shouldn't brakes fail safe? 22:02:08 <Bjarni> http://www.thejoekorner.com/rrfolklore/fedexp.shtm 22:02:57 <Brianetta> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CrashedGG1.jpg 22:03:02 <Bjarni> they are failsafe for technical issues, but not human errors, aka forgetting to connect the brakes and then forgetting to test if the brakes works 22:04:52 <Brianetta> I thought they required a constant vacuum or pressure to be maintained 22:05:06 <Brianetta> Seems to me that sticking valves int he brake lines is asking for trouble 22:05:24 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:51 <Bjarni> no 22:07:07 <Bjarni> because if you didn't, how would you close the pipe in the end of the train? 22:07:13 <Brianetta> With a cap 22:07:25 <Bjarni> you can't do that at that pressure 22:07:31 <Brianetta> Most use vacuum, it's lighter 22:07:38 <Bjarni> no 22:07:41 <Brianetta> no? 22:07:44 <Brianetta> oh dear 22:07:46 <ln-> aaand we have a conflict in video/cocoa_v.m (conflict with blackis's patch) 22:07:49 <Bjarni> most use compressed air. GB is different 22:08:07 <Brianetta> Vacuum can't explode 22:08:21 <Bjarni> AFAIK compressed air is faster to apply brakes 22:08:26 <mikk36> implode then ? :D 22:08:39 <Gonozal_VIII> oil is faster than air 22:08:49 * Bjarni never heard of a train with exploded air pressure brakes 22:08:53 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09:03 <Bjarni> the pressure is only 5-6 bars (country dependant) 22:09:28 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: oil is no good since there is no return pipe ;) 22:09:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought modern trains use electromagnetic brakes 22:09:50 <Brianetta> Eddi: Yes, light rails and electrics even use regenerative ones 22:10:08 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 22:10:32 <Brianetta> but for unpowered rolling stock, a failsafe break that's released bya vacuum or pressure line is simple and effective 22:10:41 <Bjarni> by law, all trains here have to be brakes by air pressure. We got one exception (using oil) and it's still an issue because even though it's safe, it can't be approved due to the lack of air 22:11:03 <Gonozal_VIII> gibt wirbelstrombremsen (don't know the english word) 22:11:12 <Brianetta> Tyne and Wear Metro uses regenerative brakes. The heat generated by them is used to heat the cabins 22:11:40 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> i thought modern trains use electromagnetic brakes <-- modern trains usually got air, electro magnetic (only efficient at high speed) and that induction brake where it supplies power back into the catenary 22:12:05 <Eddi|zuHause> regenerative breaks have kind of a problem... their effectivity lowers exponentially with low speed 22:12:17 <Eddi|zuHause> so you need conventional breaks to eventually stop 22:12:23 <Bjarni> usually the last is the only one used, air is applied if needed and the electro magnetics are only turned on when they emergency brake since they break the tracks 22:12:47 <Bjarni> yeah, hence the need for air brakes 22:13:16 <Bjarni> also diesel mechanics don't have regenerating brakes ;) 22:13:50 <Bjarni> diesel electric locomotives do have them though since they wear less on the wheels 22:14:18 <Bjarni> they then got vented power resistors on the roof to kill the generated electricity 22:14:33 <Bjarni> the energy have to go somewhere 22:15:16 <Eddi|zuHause> s/have/has/g 22:15:26 <Bjarni> http://crcyc.railfan.net/locos/elec/gg1/cr4800bicen1.jpg <-- wtf. GG1 in freedom colours (or did they call them liberty colours... I can't remember) 22:15:26 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 22:16:51 <Bjarni> well, the fact remain that they do need to have either air or oil brakes to be reliable at all speed, but they prefer the regenerating brakes if possible 22:19:05 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp15-26.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:21:43 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:38 <Bjarni> oh btw, in that GG1 accident, if anybody in the last 13 (almost all of them) cars had pulled the emergency brake, then the train would have stopped and nothing happened 22:23:54 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7584E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:08 <glx> can't the driver action emergency brake himself ? 22:29:09 <Bjarni> It has been said that the 237-ton GG-1 locomotive had flat spots on its wheels over 5 inches long! <-- time to get new wheels o_O 22:29:44 <glx> square wheels are bad :) 22:29:55 <Bjarni> <glx> can't the driver action emergency brake himself ? <-- he can, but the issue was the brake system was cut into two parts and the locomotive could only access the front part of it 22:30:20 <Neonox> crashed iron ore train in germany: http://www.reisc.de/trainpic.jpg 22:32:42 <glx> ouch! 22:32:50 <glx> lot of work to repair tracks 22:33:06 <Neonox> yeah. the track was closed for two months 22:33:06 <Bjarni> 15) When the brakes were first applied, the train was at legal speed of 80 MPH or so. In the two miles of mostly sliding down a slight downgrade into the station, the train had slowed, by most estimates, to a speed of 35-50 MPH. 22:33:06 <Bjarni> When the brakes were first applied, the train was at legal speed of 80 MPH or so. In the two miles of mostly sliding down a slight downgrade into the station, the train had slowed, by most estimates, to a speed of 35-50 MPH. <-- since it was only the engine and the front 3 cars (of the 16 cars), that braked, no wonder the wheels showed signs of a powerful braking 22:34:02 <Bjarni> Neonox: well, the iron survived, so it's not that bad. It's not like the ICE accident 22:34:49 <Neonox> Bjarni: yes. the iron is not alive. so it is not so bad..... 22:34:50 <Bjarni> a lady commuter disembarked from the rear of the train, totally unaware of the events which had just unfolded with the comment "That's the roughest stop I have EVER had!" <--- no kidding. The front of the train just derailed :D 22:42:02 <Bjarni> also remember that we will not get a copy of the GG1 accident in Europe. If we close a valve, it's closed towards it's own car, but it's completely open towards the next car, which means it's emergency brakes right away 22:43:12 <Neonox> http://www.reisc.de/trainpic2.jpg -- http://www.reisc.de/trainpic3.jpg 22:44:05 <Bjarni> crap... the bogie looks damaged on the last pic 22:44:20 *** izhirahider [~izhirahid@squareroot.divisionbyzero.net] has joined #openttd 22:44:43 <Bjarni> Neonox: how did it happen? 22:44:54 <Neonox> bogie? don't understand that :( 22:45:34 <Bjarni> bogie = the little "wagon" under the wagon chassis, that holds the wheels 22:45:41 <Neonox> ah. ok. 22:46:18 <Neonox> there was a stone in a switch. that's because the train crashed 22:46:30 <Bjarni> o_O 22:46:45 <Bjarni> usually the stone just gets smashed to powder 22:47:57 <Bjarni> even on the manually controlled switches, the force is great enough to totally crush stones 22:48:00 <Neonox> usually. but not this. the stone blocked the switch so that the switch won't get completly in the correct position. but the computer didn't recognized it 22:48:14 <Bjarni> weird 22:48:20 <Neonox> train over switch, train out of track 22:48:28 <Neonox> track killed 22:48:39 <Bjarni> it's replaceable 22:48:57 <Bjarni> it's actually a serious condition that the sensors failed to pick that one up 22:49:44 <Neonox> yes 22:49:58 <Neonox> but that can happen...... 22:50:04 <Bjarni> we had an incident where a track reported blocked even when it wasn't because the sensor got in conflict with something, but the actual track in the switch was just fine 22:50:52 <Bjarni> that's the way it should work. Railroad sensors are more or less paranoid, or rather, the computers to read the output are paranoid 22:54:21 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 22:59:34 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 23:06:22 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:06:22 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 23:08:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76CA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:09:12 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:09:36 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:11:42 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-187-203.vodafone-net.de] has left #openttd [muss wech] 23:12:19 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77556.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:14:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> grrr... there is absolutely no logical reason why this does not work... 23:14:30 <Bjarni> cut the red wire and it will work a whole lot better 23:14:44 <Bjarni> haven't you watched TV? 23:14:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> and the worst thing is, it says it is working, even though it isnt 23:14:59 <Bjarni> the agents always cut the red wire and everything will be good 23:15:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> tv... right... 23:15:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> at least that is still working ;) 23:15:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> there's an even greater problem there... nowhere here is a red wire 23:16:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have a few black, white, grey and a yellow wire 23:16:46 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: http://iThought.dk/ ] 23:17:05 <Bjarni> oh, that reminds me of a TV commercial I once saw (pre 11/9 2001). A security guy at an airport spots a bag with no owner, opens it and finds a bomb. He then thinks back to his bomb disarm class at nightschool, that told him to cut the red wire. He did and everybody became happy 23:17:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76CA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:17:17 <Bjarni> and then it said "it pays off to go to nightschool" 23:17:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> hehe ;) 23:17:54 <Bjarni> I don't think they will ever use that one again 23:18:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> i heard they even cut the crash in the intro of Futurama out in east coast broadcasts 23:19:13 <Bjarni> :) 23:19:55 <Bjarni> btw did you hear that they arrested 7 people for terrorism in Denmark? 23:20:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> i heard a lot of things lately 23:20:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> but yes, one of them was about terrorism in denmark ;) 23:20:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't remember the details, though 23:22:01 <Bjarni> well, they were not allowed to tell anything due to investigation and then some politicians and media started talking about how it was wrong to arrest them now that they didn't have anything against them 23:22:31 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:22:44 <Bjarni> now somebody at random found a classified report on the street (still a mystery how it ended up there), that tells that the police found explosives when they arrested those guys 23:22:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> gnah... this day is bad... my father shouted me out of bed at 8AM, because the net did not work 23:23:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> in trying to fix the net, i broke sound 23:23:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> in trying to fix sound, i broke KDE 23:23:44 <Bjarni> ever found the original problem? 23:23:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> no 23:23:51 <Bjarni> :P 23:24:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have a workaround for the net 23:24:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> i appear to have fixed sound 23:24:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have no clue how to repair KDE 23:24:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> i might just trash the entire system and do a reinstall 23:25:39 <Bjarni> good luck 23:25:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i'm gonna watch TV in the meanwhile... to relax 23:26:00 <Bjarni> remember to back up stuff 23:26:16 <Bjarni> or you might lose your stuff 23:26:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> most of the important stuff is on the 500GB disk in the other computer anyway 23:26:42 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@80.159.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 23:26:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> and by important i mean anything called .mpg and .avi ;) 23:28:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> or... i could try to install the ati drivers again (and probably break TV as well ;)) 23:31:20 *** Ammler [~Ammler@80.159.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:36:04 <Bjarni> http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/ <-- awesome :D 23:36:30 <Bjarni> that's actually commercials where you don't think "what a piece of bullshit" and they are still funny 23:36:49 <GoneWacko> They are also terribly old 23:37:28 <Bjarni> well, we don't have them on TV here, so they aren't that old to me 23:37:40 <GoneWacko> Same here :p Teehee 23:37:43 <GoneWacko> but whatever 23:37:45 <Bjarni> like, they doubled in number since I last saw that page 23:37:51 <GoneWacko> it's late and I have to get up at 7 AM so I'm off to bed 23:38:17 <Bjarni> only a wacko person would be up at this time and get up at 7 O'clock 23:38:35 <Bjarni> that's less than the recommended 15 hours of sleep 23:38:48 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:28 <mikk36> 15 hours ? 23:43:34 <mikk36> ok, i'm off to sleep 23:43:38 <mikk36> 4.5 hours to sleep 23:43:59 <mikk36> then to school 23:44:03 <mikk36> C programming :) 23:44:09 <mikk36> and other stuff 23:46:11 <Tuck> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-6006654542816998260&sourceid=zeitgeist <- thats awesome ;P 23:48:30 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:50:36 <Bjarni> Tuck: it would be hard to play though 23:51:18 <Bjarni> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=1143402144528561190 <-- this is what the Simpsons should watch on TV :D 23:51:23 <Tuck> ehehe... if i remember the quake3 trickstunt freaks its a awesome feature 23:51:28 <Bjarni> now that would be funny 23:51:44 <Bjarni> never played quake 3 23:51:55 <Bjarni> tried quake 1. Didn't like it 23:53:17 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-143-012.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:53:21 <Tuck> http://www.own-age.com/vids/video.aspx?id=9117 ;( 23:54:51 <Bjarni> let's head back into 2D world 23:55:01 <Tuck> *grin 23:55:16 <Bjarni> or even better: the real world 23:57:07 <Bjarni> http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1424122291045461488&q=train <-- this is how the real world works 23:57:38 <Bjarni> maybe the pilot thought it was a simulation though 23:58:47 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-145-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:58:58 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 23:59:07 <Tuck> ó Ò 23:59:13 <Bjarni> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7166330178234459087&q=carrier&hl=en <--- maybe he learned to fly here