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It was you wasn't it!?] 00:48:59 <CIA-1> belugas * r6730 /trunk/player_gui.c: Fix: Make Build HQ and Relocate HQ buttons of Player window behave as normal placement buttons, and not as push buttons. 00:50:56 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 01:00:38 *** dariius_ [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:04:32 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfdae.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:08:30 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-152-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 01:11:57 *** dariius_ [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has joined #openttd 01:12:48 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:16:03 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:16:07 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-176-139.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:16:16 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 01:23:00 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-142-33.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:28:20 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@p54B36829.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:28:23 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:33:47 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B369C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:34:38 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:36:48 *** ruyasan [~MrWynand@216.19.180.34.novuscom.net] has joined #openttd 01:37:05 <ruyasan> hello everyone 01:37:25 <ruyasan> I saw all these neat screenshots posted in the forums with new stations and cargoes 01:37:32 <ruyasan> i assume these use the intergrated nightly to work? 01:38:09 <ruyasan> is there a list somewhere of all newgrfs known to work with mini-in? I know there is one for the released version (and it's not very big) 01:39:25 <ruyasan> also - one of my favorite GRFs from TTDPatch was the big trucks one - anyone know if there's a way to make it work with ottd? 01:39:34 <ruyasan> i love it when trucks are actually, ya know, useful 01:39:57 *** anboni__ [daemon@ivory.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:40:08 *** anboni__ [daemon@ivory.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 01:46:13 *** anboni__ [daemon@ivory.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:46:25 *** anboni__ [daemon@ivory.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 01:48:15 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 02:05:27 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 02:30:29 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:03 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B760F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:26 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:37:32 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75FCF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:40:11 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 03:14:45 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 03:16:12 <Frostregen> [03:39:35] <ruyasan> I saw all these neat screenshots posted in the forums with new stations and cargoes 03:16:42 <Frostregen> those new stations are in standard nightly already (if you have the newgrf's) 03:20:06 <ruyasan> well i spent about an hour messing with the nightly and i managed to get all sorts of things to work 03:20:21 <Frostregen> ok 03:20:38 <ruyasan> planeset, ships, even some long trucks! : 03:20:39 <ruyasan> :D 03:20:50 <Frostregen> yup 03:21:03 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:21:38 <ruyasan> also the new terrain gen is very neat 03:21:58 <Frostregen> yes, really a good thing 03:22:18 <ruyasan> i've been playing TTD since for ever, and then ttdpatch and ottd - it's nice that after ALL these years there is still enough new stuff to make starting a new game worthwhile 03:23:52 <ruyasan> it would be really nice though is some pre-packeged versions of ottd were offered on the website though 03:24:03 <ruyasan> hunting down grfs and figuring out what works is a huge pain 03:24:14 <ruyasan> not to mention multiplayer 03:24:27 <Frostregen> hmm, multiplayer works fine for me 03:24:33 *** robobed is now known as roboboy 03:24:49 <ruyasan> does it automagically download grfs you don't have? 03:24:50 <roboboy> the problem is most grfs were made for ttdpatch 03:25:11 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:25:32 <Frostregen> no ;) 03:25:49 <roboboy> and ottd doesnt support all the nfo stuff which is the language grfs are coded in 03:26:05 <roboboy> but we are getting better support 03:26:11 <Frostregen> i thought about writing something to auto-download the grf's and activating them 03:26:36 <Frostregen> but in the end it is not really worth it... 03:27:09 <ruyasan> well you gotta admit the entry barrier is a little high for anything but vanilla ottd 03:27:19 <roboboy> the pizzaking wrote a grf manager for activateing them along time ago 03:27:24 <Frostregen> right 03:27:56 <roboboy> its even worse for ttdpatch 03:28:10 <ruyasan> yeah ttdp has it's own problems 03:29:01 <roboboy> although i found it easier for ttdpatch because i had 98 and dos ttd already installed which openttd wouldnt recognise back then, and i dont think it will now 03:29:31 <roboboy> but ive installed it now 03:29:43 <roboboy> ive got both installed 03:29:59 <roboboy> !math 1*1 03:30:50 <roboboy> !calculate 1*1 03:31:17 <ruyasan> also - i noticed one of the ttdp sets had a new industry model where factories experience finite capcity 03:31:33 <ruyasan> is there a way to get that to work right now? are there plans for it mayhap? 03:31:35 *** roboboy is now known as roboshowah 03:31:48 <roboshowah> there are plans 03:37:26 <ruyasan> hey - in the screenshots i saw some farm-themed stations and i cant seem to find them now 03:37:31 <ruyasan> newstationsw.grf right? 03:37:42 <ruyasan> er newstatsw.grf 03:42:39 <ruyasan> ahhh it was a different set - found them (i think) 03:43:09 <ruyasan> are platforms limited by year? is that why some of them are greyed out ? 03:47:00 *** roboshowah is now known as roboboy 03:47:06 <roboboy> they can be 03:50:03 <ruyasan> oh man this stuff is awsome :) 03:50:16 <ruyasan> now if only all these buildings could be made to actually DO something 03:50:24 <ruyasan> like provide loading speed bonuses for their cargo type 03:50:34 <ruyasan> and actually require warehoues to hold cargo 03:50:37 <ruyasan> sigh - i can dream 03:52:12 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-151-137.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:57:27 <ruyasan> is there some super secret way of removing parts of a station without nuking the whole thing? 03:59:46 <roboboy> click the buldoser button while the station button is pressed 04:00:01 <ruyasan> ahhhhhhh 04:12:01 <CIA-1> belugas * r6731 /branches/newhouses/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 04:12:01 <CIA-1> [newhouses] -Codechange: Added a few callbacks definition. No used yet. 04:12:01 <CIA-1> Added property Animation speed, and load it from newgrf. Not used yet. 04:15:09 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Sleep. It's for the wicked. Well, I'm wicked...awesome. So goodnight.] 04:18:00 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 04:23:52 <CIA-1> belugas * r6732 /branches/newhouses/newgrf_callbacks.h: [newhouses] -Codechange: Added a few callback masks 04:52:27 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-68.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 05:58:27 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-68.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:02:52 *** Progman [~progman@p5091DA1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:10:55 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 06:22:15 *** jonty-comp [jonty@88-107-63-84.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 06:45:06 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-68.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 06:46:55 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-68.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:49:22 *** jonty-comp [jonty@88-107-63-84.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC.] 07:03:18 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-68.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 07:04:50 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-208-163.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 07:05:35 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 07:11:32 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-68.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:18:50 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 07:19:04 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-208-163.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:32:15 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-68.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 07:34:32 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: http://iThought.dk/ ] 07:40:33 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 07:47:01 *** zcram [~zcram@88-196-155-96-wifi.est.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 07:55:38 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:57:39 <peter1138> morning 07:58:02 <Tron> *yawn*ing 07:58:57 <Darkvater> morning 07:58:57 <peter1138> indeed 07:59:13 <peter1138> 7am - 1am == not enough sleep 08:01:48 <Darkvater> peter1138: 2am - 8am isn't much better either ;p 08:04:49 <peter1138> that's 18 hours! 08:05:32 <Tron> no, -6 hours! 08:06:01 <peter1138> o_O 08:08:14 <Darkvater> you guys are weird 08:08:24 <Darkvater> now where is this meeee-sh+u guy 08:09:05 <Darkvater> dammit 08:09:08 <Darkvater> I fucked up my tea 08:09:21 <Darkvater> forgot the teabag and it's been soaking now for 15 minutes :S 08:10:46 *** JohnUK89 [~d445e7e2@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 08:10:56 <JohnUK89> Morning :) 08:11:20 <Darkvater> ola 08:12:04 *** JohnUK89 [~d445e7e2@mail.thegrebs.com] has quit [] 08:12:39 *** JohnUK89 [~d445e7e2@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 08:12:46 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 08:12:46 <JohnUK89> !logs 08:13:04 <JohnUK89> Darkvater: Morning :) 08:15:07 <peter1138> cocking customers 08:15:44 <Darkvater> loolol 08:15:48 <Darkvater> haven't heard that word before 08:18:33 <peter1138> when did unload orders become transfer orders? 08:18:44 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=503797#503797 08:20:20 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:21:33 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E8B3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:22:22 <Darkvater> peter1138: worst screenshot ever. he should've shown the orders window as well 08:22:48 <peter1138> Darkvater: i just tested it 08:22:55 <peter1138> with just Load & Unload, it shows up as a transfer 08:23:04 * peter1138 fixes 08:23:11 <Darkvater> in 0.4.8 as well? 08:23:14 <Darkvater> huh? 08:23:32 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:23:48 <peter1138> dunno about 0.4.8 08:24:19 <Darkvater> Tested in 0.4.8 and r6616, this happens in both 08:24:44 <peter1138> yeah, i mean i haven't confirmed it in 0.4.8 08:24:47 <Darkvater> ;p 08:25:24 <peter1138> maybe someone thought implicit transfers were a good idea 08:25:38 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:26:08 <Darkvater> ... nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 08:26:11 <Darkvater> excel crashed 08:26:38 <Darkvater> thank god I saved an hour ago.. 08:27:16 <peter1138> heh 08:27:30 <Darkvater> I just love wasting my time 08:27:52 <peter1138> exactly the same code in 0.4.8 08:28:14 <Darkvater> :O 08:28:23 <Darkvater> but, did it happen there as well? 08:29:07 <peter1138> hmmmmmmmm 08:29:12 <peter1138> must be 08:29:23 <peter1138> it's been like that since transfers were introduced 08:29:28 * Darkvater calls upon #openttd to test 08:29:31 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has left #openttd [] 08:29:31 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 08:29:34 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 08:29:36 <peter1138> i wouldn't mind, but it fucks up the AI 08:29:42 <peter1138> mind you, who cares about the AI... 08:29:47 <Darkvater> hmm what happened to the ~100 people 08:29:56 <peter1138> got lost on freenode? 08:29:59 <Darkvater> I don't :) 08:30:12 <Darkvater> no cause in the first few weeks after the change there were about 90 08:30:14 * JohnUK89 would test if he was at home 08:30:23 *** JohnUK89 is now known as lolman 08:30:25 <Darkvater> but perhaps they were convenience users, already on freenode 08:33:07 <roboboy> i just hopped on freenode for no reason to see who was still over there 08:34:00 <roboboy> why did the channel name on freenode change to ##openttd. And now its changed back 08:34:16 <Darkvater> dead guy did that 08:34:17 <Darkvater> lofo 08:34:26 <Darkvater> no what was his name 08:34:27 <Darkvater> nino 08:34:29 <Darkvater> nippo 08:34:32 <peter1138> lilo 08:34:34 <Darkvater> lilo 08:34:35 <Darkvater> that's it 08:34:47 <peter1138> the channel topic is locked though 08:35:29 <roboboy> so he changed it to ## and then back 08:36:57 <Darkvater> roboboy: no he changed it to ## and then died 08:37:09 <roboboy> ok 08:37:20 <roboboy> so how did it get changed back 08:37:30 <Darkvater> damn crappy program I have to work with :(. I press 'next' quickly and after the last next the window closes, I do it slowly and the window stays open 08:37:48 <Darkvater> and I'm supposed to trust billions of euros to this company to manage our assets? 08:37:52 <Darkvater> pfeh 08:39:17 <peter1138> roboboy: who knows how freenode works these days... 08:39:39 *** lolman [~d445e7e2@mail.thegrebs.com] has quit [Quit: http://thegrebs.com/oftc/ (EOF)] 08:40:12 *** JohnUK89 [~d445e7e2@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 08:40:35 <JohnUK89> Which company would that be? 08:41:45 *** JohnUK89 [~d445e7e2@mail.thegrebs.com] has quit [] 08:42:12 *** lolman [~d445e7e2@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 08:42:50 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E8B3.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 08:43:45 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 08:43:45 <lolman> !logs 08:47:19 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E8B3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:48:35 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E8B3.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:48:46 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E8B3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:48:53 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E8B3.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:49:04 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E8B3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:51:16 <lolman> Oh dear TinoM 08:51:17 <lolman> lol 08:52:11 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E8B3.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:55:36 *** lolman [~d445e7e2@mail.thegrebs.com] has quit [Quit: http://thegrebs.com/oftc/ (EOF)] 08:56:01 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 08:56:28 *** lolman [~d445e7e2@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 08:56:59 <Darkvater> Oh dear lolman 08:57:32 <lolman> Stupid school connection >_< 08:57:38 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E8B3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:57:46 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E8B3.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:58:51 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E8B3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:59:11 <TinoM> sorry ;) 08:59:16 <lolman> lol 08:59:19 <lolman> What was wrong 08:59:22 <lolman> ? 08:59:38 <TinoM> i've installed the new silverex xchat build 08:59:45 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 08:59:52 <lolman> Aah 08:59:56 <TinoM> but its total buggy 09:00:15 <TinoM> a click on a url or any action -> it quits simply 09:00:31 <lolman> LOL 09:01:52 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:01:55 <TinoM> but how needs to write anything in an irc-channel anyway *g* 09:02:00 <TinoM> how = who 09:02:37 <lolman> I think Bjarni and Sacro have urges to... 09:07:35 *** Sionide [~sphinx@139.222.202.26] has joined #openttd 09:09:53 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2FCA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:16:10 <CIA-1> miham * r6733 /trunk/lang/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 09:16:10 <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-10-11 11:15:30 09:16:10 <CIA-1> catalan - 17 changed by arnaullv (17) 09:16:10 <CIA-1> galician - 11 fixed, 7 changed by Condex (18) 09:16:10 <CIA-1> greek - 1 deleted, 1 changed by gonik (2) 09:16:11 <CIA-1> polish - 1 changed by meush (1) 09:16:11 <CIA-1> turkish - 6 fixed by jnmbk (6) 09:16:51 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2D3FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:17:58 * lolman decides to get on with his non-existant website 09:33:07 <lolman> Hmm 09:33:14 <lolman> I ate too many Jaffa Cakes last night... 09:35:33 <peter1138> yes, you gave none of them to me 09:36:13 <lolman> Lol 09:36:31 <lolman> I had 24...10 minutes later I had 0 :-X 09:37:10 <lolman> It's too much orangeyness for one man to take!! 09:37:53 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2EveOnline 09:39:37 *** Sionide [~sphinx@139.222.202.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:49:11 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6AFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:50:38 *** Sionide [~sphinx@139.222.203.45] has joined #openttd 09:50:51 <roboboy> peter1138 heh to my highlight 09:51:39 <roboboy> im not even supporting freenode with my ircbot when i get a proper hostas there nick registration breaks my bot entirely 09:53:53 <peter1138> heh? 09:54:02 <peter1138> btw, i've put the ukrs addon on my server 09:54:38 <roboboy> ok 09:54:51 <peter1138> just after ukrs itself, at listed on the webpage 09:55:00 <roboboy> you highlighted me while i was at dinne 09:58:52 *** Sionide [~sphinx@139.222.203.45] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03:48 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:05:56 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Quit: Peace and Protection 4.22] 10:07:42 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:29 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:08:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:18:04 *** Sionide [~sphinx@139.222.202.26] has joined #openttd 10:29:23 *** lolman [~d445e7e2@mail.thegrebs.com] has quit [Quit: http://thegrebs.com/oftc/ (EOF)] 10:29:57 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:31:41 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D8E6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:39:03 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E8B3.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:40:05 *** Sionide [~sphinx@139.222.202.26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40:25 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3DD51.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:43:07 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D8E6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:44:48 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:45:01 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3F355.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:46:31 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387D8E6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:47:12 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 10:47:38 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D8E6.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:48:01 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:48:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:49:28 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D8E6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:53:01 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D8E6.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:55:13 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387D8E6.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:01:56 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 11:14:17 <Zavior> Hmm 11:14:34 <Zavior> I assume I'm doing something wrong, since I cant use newstation in peter1138's server 11:14:50 <Zavior> +s 11:26:44 <Brianetta> You *must* use the same newstations that he's using. 11:26:53 <Brianetta> Any variation, and your game will unsync. 11:27:47 <peter1138> that applies to pretty much any grf 11:28:00 <Zavior> Hmm. 11:28:13 <Zavior> I copied that grf over from coop's game folder 11:28:37 <Zavior> And it seems I dont have rights to download the version that is on your page :p 11:30:03 <Brianetta> They're probably different version. 11:30:37 <Zavior> Now I get desynced right away :/ 11:32:07 <Zavior> Oh well, now I can dl the grfs from fuzzle.org so it should work 11:33:03 <Zavior> Hmhmh. 11:37:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> you also have to list them in the exact same order as on the server 11:38:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> i guess that newgrf saveload is way overdue ;) 11:44:35 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 11:45:15 *** Rens2EveOnline is now known as Rens2Sea 11:46:36 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:50:45 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2: yes, but it works too... 11:52:19 <Brianetta> Anybody here use ReiserFS? 11:53:28 <Brianetta> Hans Reiser's estranged wife is missing, and Reiser has been arrested on circumstantial evidence, charged with her murder 11:53:38 <Brianetta> ReiserFS 4 might be delayed 11:55:47 <Brianetta> It is a killer filesystem, though 11:55:50 <peter1138> o_O 11:57:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> err... 12:02:53 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:21:55 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-207-048.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:22:00 <Darkvater> me 12:22:02 <Darkvater> us 12:22:09 <peter1138> them? 12:22:39 <Darkvater> h 12:23:07 <Darkvater> found the transfer-bug peter1138 ? 12:24:02 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 12:24:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> err... i think that unload behaviour (minus the pseudo-income) was already that way in the original TT 12:25:21 <Darkvater> Eddi|zuHause2: that's funny...don't remember TT/TTD had 'transfer' functionality 12:25:26 <Darkvater> please do fill in the gaps 12:26:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, already in old TT you could tell the train to "unload" at a station which does not accept the goods, to then pick the cargo up with another vehicle 12:26:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> (it also said the "enroute from" thing) 12:27:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> i did a ship->train service from an oil rig that way 12:27:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> i might still have the savegame, but i have no way of opening that, i think 12:28:22 <Darkvater> that is different from transfer 12:33:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, i thought the difference to "transfer and unload" is just that you get this virtual money added to the vehicle, and that you can do it at a station that accepts the goods 12:33:40 <Darkvater> yes and there was no virtual money in tt(d) 12:34:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is what i said... 12:34:17 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2: the issue here is that an unload order is working like a transfer order 12:34:26 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:34:52 <peter1138> Darkvater: yes... 09:24 * peter1138 fixes 12:35:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> so you just want it to not add the money 12:35:26 <peter1138> it confuses the ai 12:35:35 <peter1138> it thinks its route is profitable when it's not 12:36:38 <Darkvater> peter1138: really? 12:36:58 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/unloadnotransfer.diff 12:37:00 <Darkvater> there's no commit ;) 12:37:21 <Darkvater> that's probably why 12:38:05 <peter1138> ah well, noi 12:38:06 <peter1138> -i 12:39:54 <Darkvater> hmm that was weird 12:40:07 <Darkvater> so 'unload' was always transfer... 12:40:10 <peter1138> yup 12:40:26 <Darkvater> is it also ok in the GUI? 12:40:34 <Darkvater> eg does 'unload' say unload? 12:40:38 <peter1138> yes 12:41:23 <Darkvater> brr, the code there is pretty flaky 12:41:33 <peter1138> yes, heh 12:41:34 <Darkvater> but that fix seems aight 12:42:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> gah... i hate programs that discard all setting changes on abnormal program termination... 12:42:10 <Darkvater> one might wonder though why one would even want to use 'unload'? 12:42:24 <peter1138> there is that 12:42:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> Darkvater: at a sawmill with a forest next to it, for example 12:42:33 <Darkvater> perhaps we don't and it's better to fix the AI not to use the 'unload' flag 12:43:03 <Darkvater> Eddi|zuHause2: why wouldn't you use 'transfer' for that? 12:43:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> i want the trains to unload the wood there, to get income, and not pick up any wood there, because i have no way to get rid of it at the other end 12:43:45 <peter1138> ime, transfer doesn't really work very well 12:44:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:02 <Darkvater> Eddi|zuHause2: just 'unload' doesn't give your trains any income...'transfer' does that 12:44:08 <peter1138> but that's due to lack of cargo packets (or whatever system) 12:44:15 <peter1138> Darkvater: it does if the station accepts the goods 12:44:20 <Darkvater> Eddi|zuHause2: if cargo is not accepted 12:44:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> the cargo is accepted... 12:44:42 <Darkvater> ah yes of course.. hehe 12:44:44 <Darkvater> got that 12:44:54 * Darkvater throws head at wall 12:44:58 * peter1138 nods 12:45:02 <Darkvater> | o< < 12:45:07 <Darkvater> | o< < 12:45:18 <peter1138> your head or someone elses? 12:45:18 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:45:18 <Darkvater> | o< < 12:45:18 <Darkvater> |.< 12:45:54 <Darkvater> peter1138: good question. initial intention was to throw mine but I like your idea better 12:45:58 <Darkvater> for some reason ;p 12:46:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... once upon a time, the | character had a hole in the middle... 12:46:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> just make sure it is not Hans Reiser's Wife's head ;) 12:47:07 <Darkvater> she had it coming 12:47:13 <Darkvater> with a name like Nina 12:47:20 <Darkvater> terrorist #1 since 24 hit the streets 12:47:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... i never watched 24 12:48:39 <Darkvater> I've seen the first 3. First season awesome!, Second season good!, Third season boooring same shit all over 12:48:42 <Darkvater> then I quit 12:48:51 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:48:52 <peter1138> heh 12:49:02 <peter1138> i watched about half a season in one sitting once 12:49:05 <peter1138> it was on telly 12:49:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> i think they showed it here in triple and double episodes 12:50:08 <Darkvater> peter1138: I bet you can't hold out as long as JB 12:50:32 <Darkvater> I can't even watch tv for 24 hours, let alone do what he goes through 12:51:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> i disliked the advertising of the first season... it was so over-hyped that it could not possibly be good 12:51:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> so i did not even start to watch it 12:51:49 <Darkvater> well I dl'd it off the internet so had no advertising 12:51:57 <Darkvater> but it was really great, refreshing 12:52:09 <peter1138> JB? 12:52:20 <peter1138> i watched it a long time ago... 12:52:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> Jack Bauer, i presume 12:52:27 <peter1138> ah 12:53:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, that was before i had proper internet 12:54:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> "proper" meaning "flatrate" 12:55:37 <Darkvater> YEAh Bauer 12:56:03 <peter1138> i think it was on BBC 3, or something 12:56:07 <peter1138> so no advertising 12:56:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't mean commercials in between, i mean the actual trailers to the series and stuff... 13:01:35 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-233.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 13:04:48 *** ruyasan [~MrWynand@216.19.180.34.novuscom.net] has quit [Quit: ruyasan] 13:05:18 <peter1138> ah 13:05:32 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:08:03 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:08:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:16:06 *** smithj [~smithj@asset4it.force9.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:16:10 <smithj> hi 13:16:32 <Darkvater> hi 13:17:28 <smithj> this room is for any sort of OpenTTD chat or something in perticular...? 13:18:06 <Brianetta> this channel's for any OpenTTD chat 13:19:33 <smithj> I have tried project new stations... Is there any way to make it work in o.4.8 13:19:44 <smithj> imodified my openttd.cfg to no avail 13:20:34 <glx> no only in nightlies 13:20:38 <smithj> oh right 13:21:05 <smithj> this is a new feature of o.4.9 then, glx...? 13:21:14 <glx> 0.5.0 indeed 13:21:15 <Darkvater> it's a 0 (zero) 13:21:44 <smithj> good 13:22:09 <smithj> I used to use Chris sawyers version on my old dos machine way back when ;) 13:22:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> there are no plans for a 0.4.9... and if there were, it would not get any of the new features 13:22:49 <smithj> openTTD is better than the original, but still keeps it's gameplay 13:23:08 <Brianetta> OpenTTD is better than the original even where the gameplay differs. 13:23:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, there were quite some complaints about the mandatory use of elrails 13:23:55 <Brianetta> Yes, I didn't understand that, either 13:24:03 <Brianetta> It was a definite improvement 13:24:13 <Brianetta> One of the longest running TT bugs 13:24:16 <Brianetta> fixed 13:24:19 <Brianetta> and people whinged 13:24:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> as long as i can think back my brother complained that electric engines could drive on normal rail... 13:25:17 <Brianetta> It was a valid complaint 13:26:03 <smithj> elrails is good 13:26:20 <Brianetta> elrails needs balance 13:26:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> for sure, but we said balance was after 0.5 13:26:42 <smithj> I'm not quite clear on what they complained it was there or of some bugs...? 13:26:46 <Brianetta> Once an electric loco comes out, there's currently little incentive to build any unelectrified lines 13:27:05 <Brianetta> smithj: Just because it was there. 13:28:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> apparently, some people prefer old gameplay over realistic gameplay... 13:28:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> the problem is, wherever you draw the line, some people will be upset 13:28:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> for some, it goes too far, and for some others, not far enough 13:29:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's just the way the world works... 13:29:18 <Darkvater> that's also the reason ttdp is in such a good position 13:29:37 <Darkvater> since they patch the binary 'runtime' you can really pick what you want and what you don't want 13:30:02 <Brianetta> OpenTTD's architecture could have been made like that 13:30:19 <Brianetta> it just... wasn't. 13:30:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... we do have this ominous page called "patch settings"... which is a real misnomer... 13:33:45 <smithj> surely if they dont want elrails they can ignore them....? 13:34:13 <Brianetta> smith: Only if they want to lose the ability to run electric trains 13:34:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, we did introduce a cheat: "electric engines can drive on normal rail", but that was not enough for some of them 13:34:35 <Brianetta> or, not to build any rails at all until the first electric locomotive is released 13:34:47 <Darkvater> the only problem with tat is that it doesn't work in MP 13:35:20 <smithj> you cant please everyone all of the time i guess... 13:35:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, then they shall use 0.4.8 forever ;) 13:35:25 <Brianetta> As soon as electric track has a very high maintenance cost, and costs much more to build, people will see the beenfit of not electrifying. 13:35:56 <Brianetta> I just wish it was possible to add or remove catenary without having to switch toolbars 13:36:10 <smithj> ;) 13:36:11 <Brianetta> 'cos switching is a faff, and my networks always have a mix of rail types 13:36:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> but we need something with the electric trains that they have benefits over unelectrified 13:36:31 <Darkvater> no smoke! 13:36:36 <smithj> wasnt there a way to upgrade all lines in TTDX, it maybe was a cheat, i'm not sure 13:36:38 <Brianetta> It's reflected in teh stats somewhat 13:36:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> like if i start a game with the dbset, the cost of the electric engine is so high that it is hardly an option 13:36:51 <Brianetta> but higher reliability would be one (justified as no stops for diesel) 13:38:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> plus, there are faster steam engines available very soon, while the next electric engine is quite a while away 13:38:39 <Brianetta> Steam engines cost a fortune to run 13:38:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> the higher upkeep of the steam engine is hardly balanced 13:38:59 <Brianetta> I scrap all my steamers as soon as diesel comes out 13:39:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> especially since money is a non-issue in the current gameplay 13:39:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, i don't know how balanced the values in the ukrs are 13:41:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> the only reason for me to go electric in the beginning of a dbset game is the hugeness of the steam engines 13:42:13 <roboboy> gnight 13:42:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> but that only counts for the later generation of steam engines 13:42:24 *** roboboy is now known as robobed 13:42:36 <smithj> i like the fact new stations and elrails can make the map i created of my local town more accurate. Steam wasn't an option due to all the hills 13:43:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> and not for cargo trains either, because there are short 80km/h engines available 13:45:39 <smithj> the small train isnt so good for such large oil trains 13:46:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> what the game really needs right now is passenger destinations... people that spend horrendous amounts of money for fast long distance trains, while the short distance travellers do not really care for speed 13:46:23 <smithj> i even tried 3 or 4 of them dotted around the tankers, but still no luck. 13:46:53 <smithj> also some new depots and train sheds would be good 13:47:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> and a proper daylength modificator, to spend a lot of time in the steam age 13:47:21 <smithj> canal tunnels too maybe...? 13:47:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> those are probably easy 13:48:23 <smithj> would they be popular though....? 13:48:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, if ships get a major rebalance, probably yes 13:50:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> what also could be cool would be a global road traffic AI and speed limits 13:50:45 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.5/2006091003]] 13:53:03 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:53:51 <smithj> rebalance in which respect...? 13:57:49 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:58:17 <Darkvater> peter1138: about your unload diff... 13:58:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> make them faster/bigger/useful/complicated/... 13:58:40 <peter1138> yes? 13:58:48 <Darkvater> peter1138: doesn't the if() handle the case? It tests for !OF_TRANSFER 13:58:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> like... train ferry... 13:59:03 <peter1138> ... 13:59:59 <Darkvater> peter1138: and I think the diff also doesn't pay you anything when you UNLOAD the cargo 14:00:28 <peter1138> why should it? 14:00:51 <Darkvater> cause it should pay on UNLOAD real money 14:00:55 <Darkvater> if accepted 14:01:02 <peter1138> it does 14:01:46 <Darkvater> does it? you put the whole thing in &OF_TRANSFER guards 14:02:07 <peter1138> if the cargo is accepted, it's handled by the first part, with DeliverGoods() 14:02:16 <peter1138> doesn't matter if UNLOAD is used 14:02:46 <Darkvater> aah, that's what confused me then 14:03:06 * Darkvater shuts up now 14:07:30 <Darkvater> don't mix several things at work childre 14:07:31 <Darkvater> n 14:08:42 <peter1138> hmm? 14:09:35 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 14:09:58 <Belugas> [10:10] <@Darkvater> don't mix several things at work children <--- like rhum and coke, maybe ? 14:10:15 <Belugas> or tekila and lime juice :) 14:12:01 <hylje> gunpowder and napalm 14:12:02 <hylje> mmm.. 14:13:35 <smithj> my work just called 14:13:35 <smithj> nice speaking to you guys 14:13:38 <smithj> cheerio 14:15:00 <Darkvater> Belugas: it'd be great if I could find rhum to mix ;p 14:16:17 <Belugas> store next door :) 14:16:30 <Belugas> that is, of course, if you are living in a decent big city ;) 14:17:16 <Brianetta> Stuck in time, half way between lunch time and home time 14:17:23 <Brianetta> It's been 17 minutes past 3 for hours 14:17:32 <Brianetta> and I'm bored and peckish 14:17:36 <Brianetta> but I shouldn't snack 14:17:39 <Brianetta> I snack too much 14:19:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:20:19 <Darkvater> 16:20 here 14:20:21 <Darkvater> one more hourd 14:20:23 <Darkvater> \o/ 14:20:25 <Darkvater> -d 14:21:16 <hylje> hoard 14:21:26 <Brianetta> I'm going to go to the shop outside with my money and look at the chocolate bars without buying one. 14:21:31 <Brianetta> I expect mission failure. 14:21:41 *** smithj [~smithj@asset4it.force9.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:22:39 <hylje> mission failed[Bfission mailed 14:22:43 <hylje> :o 14:24:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> kentucky schreit ficken! ;) 14:25:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> Die Boxer aus der Meisterklasse 14:25:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> schlugen sich zu Kleistermasse 14:25:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> und aus dem ganzen Massenkleister 14:25:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> stieg hervor der Klassenmeister 14:33:09 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause2, fait bien attention... c'est pas plaisant tu tout ce que tu fait. Il se pourrait que j'use de mes droits et que tu le regrette 14:33:56 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-250-87.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 14:34:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, it was just a response to hylje's statement... 14:34:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> and... je ne regrette rien ;) 14:35:46 *** ZzztarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:36:26 <Brianetta> Mission failed. 14:36:32 * Brianetta crams his face with chocolate 14:39:15 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:43:05 <Darkvater> :O the dark side 14:46:32 <Brianetta> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/chatlog/log.php?game=14 14:46:35 <Brianetta> That's a LOL 14:46:55 <hylje> :> 14:47:12 <peter1138> ba 14:47:25 <peter1138> the last machine i build doesn't boot :/ 14:47:40 <hylje> you're doing it wrong 14:47:57 <peter1138> the others worked 14:48:18 <peter1138> this one gives no monitor sync 14:49:12 <hylje> check gfx card 14:49:16 <peter1138> it's onboard 14:49:25 <hylje> try a spare one 14:49:35 <Brianetta> Swap the box bit out with a new one. 14:49:42 <Brianetta> You know, the bit with the wires and disks 14:49:51 <peter1138> oh, that bit 14:52:50 *** Sacro [~chatzilla@87.102.21.76] has joined #openttd 14:53:17 <Sacro> !seen Bjarni 14:53:17 <_42_> Sacro, Bjarni (~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) was last seen quitting #openttd 16 hours 45 minutes ago (10.10. 22:07) stating "Quit: Leaving" after spending 14 hours 11 minutes there. 14:53:55 <Sacro> !seen lws1984 14:53:57 <_42_> Sacro, lws1984 (~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net) was last seen quitting #openttd 10 hours 38 minutes ago (11.10. 04:15) stating "Quit: Sleep. It's for the wicked. Well, I'm wicked...awesome. So goodnight." after spending 1 hour 34 minutes there. 14:54:08 *** KUDr_wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 14:55:10 *** Sacro [~chatzilla@87.102.21.76] has quit [] 14:55:41 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:56:22 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 14:56:27 <MeusH> hi 14:56:39 <peter1138> mr meushh 14:56:42 <MeusH> someone here was looking for 32bpp tiles, right? 14:56:46 <MeusH> or at least outlines 14:56:48 <MeusH> I found them 14:56:55 <MeusH> hi peter1138 14:57:50 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00:50 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 15:01:15 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 15:03:28 <Brianetta> re KUDr 15:05:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> <MeusH> someone here was looking for 32bpp tiles, right? <- yeah, that was ben_something, iirc 15:05:51 <MeusH> thanks Eddi|zuHause2 15:05:55 <MeusH> ben_smedding IIRC 15:05:55 <Darkvater> MeusH: well lookie who's here :) 15:06:03 <Darkvater> MeusH: wanna do something of a real importance for me? 15:06:09 <MeusH> Measure :) 15:06:27 <Darkvater> I want you to compile and test the following patch 15:06:31 <Darkvater> but I mean really test 15:06:51 <Darkvater> test every combination, with every tool, especially for extreme cases (eg map edges (all 4)) 15:07:00 <MeusH> okies 15:07:01 <Darkvater> it'll take a time...I think 1-2 hours 15:07:05 <Darkvater> up to it? 15:07:10 <MeusH> yes 15:07:55 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.openttd.org/highlight_measure_3.diff 15:08:11 <Darkvater> I want a GOOD job testing not some 2 second stuff ;) 15:08:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> Ben_123 was his name 15:09:01 <MeusH> I'll feel shitty if I miss some bug 15:09:31 <Brianetta> Darkvater: If you're here when I get home, I'll test for you 15:13:45 <MeusH> make && make install && make clean 15:14:48 <peter1138> just make, ta... 15:16:47 <Darkvater> MeusH: make install? wtf 15:17:05 <MeusH> it copies the required files to the other directory 15:17:12 <Darkvater> Brianetta: thanks. I especially need testing on map edges with autorail/rectangle (dynamite)/point tool (level land) 15:17:35 <Darkvater> I think most others are ok, but testing normall to see if size and height difference are correct are also appreciated 15:17:39 <Darkvater> MeusH: why would you do that ;) 15:19:06 <MeusH> Darkvater: well, I just got used to typing make install. Seems it's compiled. Play time 15:26:42 <Darkvater> << home.setstatus(0.2) 15:33:38 <Brianetta> Do you want different map sizes testing? 15:35:20 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:21 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-63-84.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:44:37 <MeusH> Darkvater! 15:48:25 <MeusH> I spotted a strange bug. Hopefully it's not related to the measurement tool 15:52:00 *** xyz [~ss@MTL-ppp-146065.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #openttd 15:52:41 <xyz> can anyone tell me what is the SVN link? 15:52:57 <xyz> for openttd source 15:52:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> topic? 15:53:01 <MeusH> svn://svn.openttd.com/trunk 15:53:08 <xyz> thx 15:53:11 <MeusH> np 15:55:34 *** dirty_ice [~chatzilla@84.236.50.38] has joined #openttd 15:57:33 <peter1138> .org 15:57:35 <peter1138> not .com 15:57:53 <peter1138> MeusH: what's the strange bug, then? 15:57:53 <xyz> the .com is working 16:00:00 <MeusH> sorry for .com 16:00:08 <MeusH> peter1138, I'll put it on flyspray ok? 16:00:13 <peter1138> or here 16:00:33 <peter1138> i might already know about it 16:04:28 *** Progman [~progman@p5091DA1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:22 <MeusH> Game freezes when building rainforest industries in desert, near eastern slopes, away from grass, in scenario editor only 16:08:59 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:09:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:09:04 <MeusH> hi Bjarni 16:09:12 <Bjarni> hi MeusH 16:09:15 <MeusH> !seen Ben 16:09:15 <_42_> MeusH, Ben (~Ben_Robbi@82.152.204.219) was last seen quitting #openttd 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours 33 minutes ago (23.09. 01:35) stating "" after spending 1 hour 29 minutes there. 16:09:19 <MeusH> !seen Ben_123 16:09:21 <_42_> MeusH, I found 2 matches to your query: Ben_, Ben_123. Ben_ (~Ben_Robbi@82.152.210.113) was last seen quitting #openttd 1 week 16 hours 5 minutes ago (04.10. 00:03) stating "" after spending some time there. 16:09:52 <Bjarni> !seen sacro 16:09:53 <_42_> Bjarni, Sacro (~chatzilla@87.102.21.76) was last seen quitting #openttd 1 hour 14 minutes ago (11.10. 14:55) stating "" after spending 2 minutes there. 16:10:11 <Bjarni> o_O 16:10:23 <Bjarni> he showed up, used seen on me and then left 16:11:20 <MeusH> peter1138, http://bugs.openttd.org/task/364 16:11:30 <MeusH> +screenshot 16:15:09 <peter1138> hmm 16:15:10 <peter1138> ok 16:28:57 <MeusH> peter1138, what do you think about this? 16:29:19 <peter1138> it's seeing if it can terraform 16:29:21 <peter1138> but... 16:29:49 <MeusH> it's gets into a big loop? 16:30:51 <peter1138> yeah 16:42:23 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176106077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:51:35 *** fusee [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 16:55:58 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:58 *** fusee is now known as fusey 17:01:05 *** xyz [~ss@MTL-ppp-146065.qc.sympatico.ca] has left #openttd [] 17:06:15 *** xyz [~ss@MTL-ppp-146065.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #openttd 17:08:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host38-232-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:09:06 <Wolf01> hi 17:15:26 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:20:35 <MeusH> hi Wolf01 17:20:44 <Wolf01> lo MeusH 17:25:43 <CIA-1> miham * r6734 /trunk/lang/ (catalan.txt estonian.txt finnish.txt): 17:25:43 <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-10-11 19:25:04 17:25:43 <CIA-1> catalan - 12 changed by arnaullv (12) 17:25:43 <CIA-1> estonian - 13 fixed by vermon (13) 17:25:43 <CIA-1> finnish - 179 fixed, 13 changed by kerba (192) 17:28:36 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6735 /trunk/newgrf_engine.c: - Codestyle: Just some tidying up... 17:29:13 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-250-87.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:31:11 *** dirty_ice [~chatzilla@84.236.50.38] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:01 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-63-84.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:33:59 *** Progman [~progman@p5091DA1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:34:46 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:43:28 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 17:58:12 <MeusH> peter1138, any progress with the bugfixing? 18:04:29 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-63-84.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:10:02 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 18:10:35 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp15-239.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:16:27 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 18:23:48 <Darkvater> MeusH: tell me 18:23:53 <MeusH> hi Darkvater 18:24:15 <Darkvater> MeusH: non measurement bug 18:25:24 <MeusH> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/364 18:25:56 <MeusH> I encountered it when trying to determine whether "place industry" should display the area. I was randomly clicking over the map and suddenly it froze 18:26:18 <Darkvater> that is of no interest regarding tile measurement 18:26:22 <Darkvater> what'd you find there ;) 18:26:25 <peter1138> heh 18:27:02 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-201-29.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:27:21 <Darkvater> strange industry bug. Seems someone extended/increased the search-loop? 18:28:15 <MeusH> IIRC, industries tend to level land around them since TGP 18:28:44 <MeusH> I think that because since TGP I see +1 tile artificially leveled land around industries 18:29:39 <peter1138> no, it's because tgp generally doesn't leave enough flat areas for industries 18:29:46 <peter1138> so it tries to level 18:30:22 <MeusH> well, I think that industries didn't flat land like that before TGP 18:30:25 <MeusH> now back on the measurement: level land tool was suggested to show a decreased value (by 1) 18:31:08 <Darkvater> ? 18:31:12 <Darkvater> elaborate 18:32:52 *** zcram [~zcram@88-196-155-96-wifi.est.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:32:57 <MeusH> level land tool highlights corners, not the tiles 18:33:30 <MeusH> hence someone proposed to decrease the result 18:33:42 <Darkvater> I don't get it 18:33:54 <MeusH> highlight six corners 18:33:55 <Darkvater> so if I drag 2 tiles it should only show length 1? 18:34:01 <MeusH> you will see "area 3x2" 18:34:10 <MeusH> someone proposed to show "area 2x1" 18:34:16 <Darkvater> you need to speak clearly 18:34:18 <MeusH> no, I mean level land tool only 18:34:23 <Darkvater> you are talking about the point-tool right? 18:34:29 <Darkvater> eg level-land 18:34:39 <MeusH> "level land tool was suggested"... yes, the point tool 18:35:02 <Darkvater> ok like that 18:35:05 <Darkvater> point taken 18:35:14 <Darkvater> this is only graphical :) 18:35:17 <Darkvater> hmm but wait 18:35:21 <Darkvater> no you're not right 18:35:34 <MeusH> well I'm just forwarding what has been suggested 18:35:35 <MeusH> but go on 18:35:38 <MeusH> speak 18:35:44 <Darkvater> see if I highlight the 6 (points) 3x2 it will terraform more than just the 2 tiles 18:35:46 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6736 /trunk/ (newgrf_engine.c newgrf_engine.h): - Add a function to get the list position of an engine ID, for use with sorting. This is basically a reversed version of GetRailVehAtPosition() 18:37:09 <Darkvater> MeusH: just think if I highlight a 3x1 area. eg 3 points in a single line 18:37:24 <Darkvater> hmm, tricky 18:37:45 <MeusH> well, he suggested to show amount of tiles "inside" the points 18:37:46 <MeusH> I think 18:38:10 <Darkvater> I see what you are getting at. The only "problem" is that the point-tool operates on tile-edges not on tiles 18:38:25 <peter1138> hmmz 18:38:26 <MeusH> that would be amount of tiles converted in 100%, while rest of them may get sloped 18:40:27 <Darkvater> well I donnu. what do the masses think? 18:40:34 *** xyz [~ss@MTL-ppp-146065.qc.sympatico.ca] has left #openttd [] 18:40:46 <Darkvater> I went with the #points since that is what you see and select and operate on 18:42:44 <Darkvater> MeusH: besides this graphical confusion, has the tool crashed? 18:43:13 <Darkvater> or produced not-to-be-expected results? 18:43:29 <MeusH> no, it didn't 18:43:37 <MeusH> it even works fast with tunnels 18:43:46 <MeusH> autorail and height difference seems to work properly 18:43:56 <MeusH> let's just commit it and see if someone comes and complains :P 18:43:57 <Darkvater> are you sure? really sure? 18:44:07 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 18:44:08 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6737 /trunk/train_gui.c: - Codechange: Sort train engines by their NewGRF specified list position instead of plain EngineID. This brings us back the custom order that was lost when generalized sorting was introduced. 18:44:09 <MeusH> well, I'm never 100% sure 18:44:23 <Darkvater> cause I feel I'll be disappointed by you since I do know of a certain combination... 18:44:34 <Darkvater> peter1138: gogo OT_TRANSFER 18:44:46 <peter1138> hmm? 18:44:52 <Darkvater> unload fix 18:44:54 <peter1138> ahh 18:45:09 <MeusH> Darkvater, well, give me some more time 18:47:02 * Darkvater wonders how long until MeusH discovers I just said something to look harder even in the most extreme cases... 18:47:08 <Darkvater> sorry MeusH :) 18:47:22 <Darkvater> but if you do like a bit more I'd appreciate it, even more if you find something :P 18:47:26 <Belugas> Don't work under pressure, MeusH : Take Alll the time required! 18:47:29 <Darkvater> bb in 90-120min 18:47:39 <MeusH> okies 18:55:27 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:57:06 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6738 /trunk/economy.c: - Fix (r2441): Only apply the virtual transfer profit if the order is a transfer order, rather than to any unload order. This fixes an issue where the AI doesn't know that a route is unprofitable. 18:58:08 <peter1138> only a few revisions old... 18:58:26 <peter1138> hopefully AIs will behave better now ;p 18:59:28 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-201-29.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:09:02 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387D8E6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:14:40 <MeusH> curse you Darkvater! 19:15:32 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-200-64.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 19:15:43 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-224-221.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:16:22 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D8E6.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:17:57 <Sacro> !calc 6*60*60*8*1024 19:17:57 <_42_> Sacro: 176947200; 19:18:17 <Sacro> hmm, is that right 19:18:34 <Sacro> no... 19:18:47 <Sacro> !calc 7*6*60*60*8 19:18:47 <_42_> Sacro: 1209600; 19:18:59 <Sacro> damn 19:19:24 <Sacro> 7 days in a week, 6 peak rate hours, 8Mbps max speed... whats the most you can download 19:19:39 <Sacro> !calc 7*6*60*60 19:19:41 <_42_> Sacro: 151200; 19:19:53 <Sacro> 15GB a week... 19:20:02 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:21:12 <hylje> pretty weak 19:21:13 <hylje> :] 19:22:25 <Sacro> hmm, this pizza should not be frozen in the middle 19:27:06 <Wolf01> sacro, do the calc: 24/7, 7kbps max speed, how much downloads i can miss? 19:27:15 <Sacro> ? 19:27:38 <Sacro> well ma'd 19:27:41 <Sacro> *max'd 19:27:54 <Sacro> it'd be 7*24*60*60 19:28:00 <Sacro> !7*24*60*60 19:28:04 <Sacro> !calc 7*24*60*60 19:28:05 <_42_> Sacro: 604800; 19:28:11 <Sacro> 640GB 19:28:20 <Sacro> thats like the amount of hard drive my new pc has 19:28:27 <Wolf01> ehm, 7 kilobits 19:28:39 <Sacro> why 7? 19:29:14 <Wolf01> because i sell the dsl to my provider -.- 19:29:51 <Sacro> oh 19:30:06 <guru3> people can talk faster than 7kbps 19:30:43 <hylje> define the bitrate of talking 19:31:17 <guru3> saying 1 and 0 as fast as you can 19:32:00 <hylje> i doubt anyone can say [10]*7000 in a second 19:32:06 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-68.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:09 <guru3> oh yeah 19:32:11 <guru3> forgot about the k 19:32:13 <guru3> never mind 19:32:20 <hylje> :D 19:32:35 <Sacro> guru3: :p 19:32:42 <guru3> altho if you try to sound like an old modem 19:32:49 <guru3> maybe you could by accident 19:34:27 <Wolf01> oh finally! i downloaded the latest nightly 19:43:40 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:48:07 <Wolf01> 'night all 19:48:13 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host38-232-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 19:52:37 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 19:57:38 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-233.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 19:58:40 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:49 *** LeJaune [~genest@ANantes-156-1-56-227.w90-12.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:06:29 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:08:10 *** LeJaune [~genest@ANantes-156-1-56-227.w90-12.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.11.3 : http://kopete.kde.org] 20:15:56 *** ruyasan [~MrWynand@216.19.180.34.novuscom.net] has joined #openttd 20:17:48 <Darkvater> so.... 20:17:50 <Darkvater> hmm 20:17:50 <Darkvater> me 20:17:51 <Darkvater> us 20:17:54 <Darkvater> H 20:17:56 <Darkvater> is gone 20:17:58 <Darkvater> oh well 20:18:15 <Darkvater> anyone, Belugas, comments? 20:18:36 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.openttd.org/highlight_measure_3.diff 20:18:56 <Sacro> mr Darkvater! 20:19:25 <Darkvater> yes lord Sacro 20:19:36 <Sacro> ooh, i sound all important! 20:19:48 <Darkvater> on a different topic I figured out why gdb won't work with openttd 20:19:56 <Darkvater> it's that cursed timidity which I don't even have 20:19:59 <Sacro> hmm, i wonder if i can do OpenTTD development at college, instead of crappy VB 20:20:04 <Darkvater> if I start with -m null I can debug 20:22:13 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:27:23 <Belugas> [16:21] <@Darkvater> anyone, Belugas, comments? <--- yeah... the day is almost over 20:27:46 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw5-0-0-cust493.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:28:55 <Darkvater> he 20:29:02 <Darkvater> eh I mean brianetta ;p 20:31:42 *** __A [~atokhy@hc6526bc1.dhcp.vt.edu] has joined #openttd 20:31:52 *** __A [~atokhy@hc6526bc1.dhcp.vt.edu] has left #openttd [] 20:35:23 *** eleusis [~eleusis@l2-202-89-174-73.arach.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:28 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:40:34 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 20:40:41 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 20:40:41 <MeusH> !logs 20:40:57 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-63-84.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Never look down on someone unless you're helping them up.] 20:41:24 <MeusH> Darkvater! 20:41:46 <MeusH> Can you give me a clue, a little hint, where's the bug? What's triggering it? 20:42:05 <MeusH> I tried doing various things at the edges of the map 20:42:22 <MeusH> but it didn't crash 20:50:43 <Darkvater> :O 20:51:05 <Darkvater> OMG 20:51:06 <Darkvater> typo 20:51:19 <Darkvater> sorry MeusH to my knowledge there is no crash 20:51:24 * Darkvater feels really silly now 20:51:38 <Sacro> lol 20:51:48 <Darkvater> I said that earlier, well at least wanted to say it but somehow a crucial word got lost :s 20:51:53 <MeusH> okay :) 20:52:11 <Darkvater> MeusH: thanks a lot though for double/triple-checking 20:52:20 <MeusH> or you wanted to encourage me to do a better bughunting? 20:52:25 <MeusH> np :) 20:52:39 <MeusH> so it's about to be commited? 20:52:41 <Darkvater> no, I wuld not be so cruel 20:53:10 <Darkvater> I think we can 20:53:55 <Darkvater> hmm only question remains... 20:54:08 <Darkvater> calcheightdiff is always executed even if area/height is not shown 20:56:23 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Probably doing something else] 20:57:12 <Darkvater> hmm I wonder if I should guard against this before a call to the function 20:57:18 <Darkvater> three extra times in the code 20:57:21 <Darkvater> or just leave it 20:57:24 <Darkvater> anyone smart ideas 20:57:25 <Darkvater> ? 20:58:47 <MeusH> "is not shown" - do you mean the whole thing is off in "configure patches", or length=1 so it isn't displayed? 20:59:12 <Darkvater> whole thing is off like it used to be 20:59:55 <MeusH> either check for it before calling calcheightdiff, or make one check inside calcheightdiff 21:00:09 <MeusH> but you probably want more advanced and smart answers... 21:00:20 <Darkvater> yes, you are right 21:00:27 <Darkvater> I am not asking on how to implement it :) 21:00:41 <Darkvater> but _IF_ I should implement it 21:00:59 <Darkvater> the check, if any, would be outside of calcheightdiff as that function can be useful for other stuff 21:02:41 <MeusH> IMO it depends on memory usage. I don't think that function takes many CPU, but it won't hurt to have it, will it? 21:03:06 <Darkvater> memory usage? hehe there is none 21:03:25 <Darkvater> CPU-wise well... it does add some and being constantly held while you keep the mouse down 21:03:29 <Darkvater> but it's not that a biggie 21:03:39 <Darkvater> will ask peter1138 for input tomorrow and then decide ;) 21:03:54 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:04:05 <MeusH> so don't implement it. Do it later if someone wants it 21:04:39 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 21:04:51 <Belugas_Gone> night all 21:05:05 <Darkvater> gn 21:05:31 <Darkvater> great... /me slaps truelight 21:07:44 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176106077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 21:14:22 <Darkvater> hmm when a farm gets removed doesn't it look weird that the land turns barren? 21:14:29 <Darkvater> shouldn't it be at least 2/3 grass? 21:17:05 <Darkvater> yes much better 21:20:10 <peter1138> commit! 21:20:28 <Darkvater> easy on the trigger there boi 21:20:34 <Darkvater> I need an exact blame :) 21:20:58 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6739 /trunk/ (clear_cmd.c industry_cmd.c): 21:20:58 <CIA-1> -Fix (r6001): Crash on removing farmland belonging to a farm. The search would loop 21:20:58 <CIA-1> around the edges causing some troubles. Also make sure that the land after 21:20:58 <CIA-1> farm removal is not barren but 2/3rd grass. Better suited. 21:21:23 <Darkvater> commit quality is really going down the drain lately. All I can see is Fix (r...) and not even revisions of that long ago :/ 21:21:43 <Darkvater> peter1138: so whaddaya think of tile-measurement? Should I disable calcheightdiff when it is not shown at all? 21:25:24 <peter1138> dunno, what is it? 21:25:53 <Darkvater> this thingie http://darkvater.openttd.org/height_difference.png 21:25:58 <Darkvater> (very old pic) 21:26:34 <Darkvater> to correctly calc that that picture heightdiff would be 50M (1 lvl) I needed a whole function doing lotsa magic 21:26:36 <Bjarni> didn't it use to have a delta z shown? 21:26:45 <Sacro> Bjarni! 21:26:49 <Bjarni> Sacro! 21:26:53 <Darkvater> but if the tooltip is not shown then the whole code shouldn't execute 21:26:57 <Darkvater> Bjarni: 23:25 <@Darkvater> (very old pic) 21:27:19 <peter1138> hmm 21:27:26 <Bjarni> I can remember that I wanted the delta z so it was clear if it is a valid location for a bridge 21:27:54 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> peter1138: (...) Should I disable calcheightdiff when it is not shown at all? 21:27:54 <peter1138> the enhanced bridge highlight that lucaspiller did was nice 21:27:56 <peter1138> when it worked 21:28:30 <Darkvater> like tunnel? 21:28:42 <Darkvater> this just shows a tooltip 21:28:45 <Bjarni> what did _luca_ code? 21:31:24 <peter1138> showed a preview of the bridge 21:31:30 <peter1138> in highlight style 21:31:35 <peter1138> or red if it's invalid 21:31:44 <peter1138> it also liked to be wrong 21:32:02 *** jez [splitch@du213-130-143-106.as15444.net] has joined #openttd 21:32:02 <Bjarni> :p 21:32:06 <jez> ugh. 21:32:16 <Born_Acorn> oh noes! 21:32:20 * Born_Acorn runs for cover 21:32:20 <peter1138> good evening to you to :) 21:32:34 <Born_Acorn> *too 21:32:41 <peter1138> shush 21:32:45 <Bjarni> wow, what a great greeting jez just got :p 21:33:00 <Sacro> Bjarni: remeber the qdb'd one you gave me 21:33:13 <Bjarni> maybe 21:33:15 <jez> Bjarni: most people get no greeting. i am honoured. 21:33:22 <Darkvater> ok so no suggestions? 21:33:37 <Bjarni> Darkvater: maybe if I realised what the issue is.... 21:34:03 <Darkvater> it's about 10 lines up 21:34:26 <Bjarni> do you mean like showing delta z only if delta z != 0 instead of showing delta z = 0? 21:34:47 <Sacro> Bjarni: http://qdb.us/56883 21:35:10 <Darkvater> it's about code Bjarni. should the calculation for z,x,y still be executed if it is not shown 21:35:10 <Bjarni> lol, that one 21:35:16 <Bjarni> now that was a great typo :D 21:36:35 <Bjarni> Darkvater: you mean like there is a on/off switch for the calculations.... then it should not be calculated if it's not displayed 21:36:55 <Bjarni> calculating GUI only stuff that will never reach the screen is a waste of CPU power 21:37:31 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 21:37:52 <Darkvater> why do you think I'm asking? :) 21:38:35 <Bjarni> because you want to test if we want to waste CPU power? 21:38:51 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Dinner] 21:39:02 <MeusH> What's with Luca? Lost interest in OpenTTD, too many RL things or something else? I remember he was very helpful sometimes 21:39:03 <Bjarni> I can't see any arguments for calculating it in this case 21:39:23 <Bjarni> MeusH: well, something like that 21:39:44 <Bjarni> RL is like hell for open source projects 21:39:45 <Bjarni> :p 21:40:07 <Sacro> RL? 21:40:23 <glx> yeah Sacro the thing you don't have (Real Life) :) 21:40:28 <Bjarni> well, we always knew that Sacro didn't have a life :p 21:40:35 <Born_Acorn> Sacro doesn't know what Real Life is! 21:40:40 <Sacro> glx: its cold in real life 21:41:24 <Bjarni> Sacro: real life is when you leave the computer to go to the bathroom and back again 21:41:43 <Bjarni> at least, I hope you go to the bathroom once in a while 21:42:32 <Sacro> Bjarni: yes, and occasionally i go to the kitchen 21:42:32 <Bjarni> http://qdb.us/69240 <-- ok, he got what he asked for... sort of... that's IRC for you ;) 21:42:43 <Bjarni> Sacro: don't overdue this 21:43:54 <Sacro> i only tend leave for GIGO related operations :( 21:47:31 <jez> major internet connection 'teething problems' 21:47:42 <jez> if you're in the uk, i can only say, stay away from ntl if you can 21:47:55 <jez> im connecting now on a dialup modem 21:47:56 <jez> :-\ 21:47:59 <Bjarni> http://qdb.us/68888 <-- awesome 21:48:08 <Bjarni> and bad luck :p 21:48:31 <Bjarni> jez: could be worse 21:48:36 <Bjarni> could be 28.8 21:48:55 <jez> heh 21:49:06 <jez> Bjarni: my password hint is always, "I know my password." 21:49:26 <jez> one time i phoned up my credit card company about online banking, i'd forgotten it 21:49:41 <jez> and they said "there's a prompt here but it just says, I know my password" 21:49:41 <jez> lol 21:50:33 <Bjarni> I have a history of having more broken accounts than lost passwords :/ 21:52:06 <Bjarni> at one time, they closed my account at uni because I had too much and they gave me 2 weeks to clean it up (I had like max 5% too much). Due to a script error, I never got that message and got listed as a bad guy, who ignored them and they locked my account... 21:52:59 <Bjarni> I called them and it was reopened, but nothing about the lost emails or anything.... 21:54:08 <Bjarni> oh well 21:54:10 * Sacro is thirsty 21:54:17 <Sacro> lets also have a toilet break too... brb 21:54:19 <Bjarni> Sacro: that's a real life thing as well 21:54:32 <MeusH> thirsty and toilet? 21:54:41 <MeusH> Sacro you're kinky 21:54:53 <MeusH> you... urinesucker 21:57:44 <Bjarni> ... 21:58:10 <Bjarni> the kitchen appears to be too far away 21:58:35 <Bjarni> well 21:58:39 <Bjarni> goodnight 21:59:06 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:00:19 <MeusH> goodnight guys 22:00:27 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 22:01:27 <Sacro> right, back 22:01:29 <Sacro> and everyones gone :( 22:04:48 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6740 /trunk/rail_gui.c: -Fix: if a rail is not available, don't show toolbar even with hotkey 'A' 22:06:01 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6741 /trunk/ (4 files): - Codechange: Simplify and unify resolving of station groups, and use the first available cargo type instead of only the default. 22:06:36 <peter1138> argh 22:06:41 <peter1138> lost the newgrf tag ;p 22:06:53 <jez> tag? 22:07:10 <peter1138> well, just to say that it's newgrf related 22:07:30 <jez> ah 22:08:11 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:08:40 <Sacro> lws1984! 22:08:43 <lws1984> Sacro! 22:20:37 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:21:36 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.5/2006091003]] 22:24:28 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26:42 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-200-64.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 22:27:58 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw5-0-0-cust493.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:32:23 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:32:59 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:37:33 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:28 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw5-0-0-cust493.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:55:20 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 22:57:10 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-207-048.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: YOU! It was you wasn't it!?] 23:00:01 *** jez9999 [andreis@du213-130-143-80.as15444.net] has joined #openttd 23:00:11 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:04:38 *** jez [splitch@du213-130-143-106.as15444.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:21 *** jez [postit@du213-130-143-24.as15444.net] has joined #openttd 23:09:37 *** jez9999 [andreis@du213-130-143-80.as15444.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:09 <jez> .as15444.net 23:10:10 <jez> gwahaha 23:10:18 <jez> brings back the memories, tons of dialup ISPs 23:10:28 <jez> but needs must when ntl are incompetent and can't setup your goddamn broadbadn 23:13:43 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6AFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:36 <Darkvater> hmm question 23:23:02 <Darkvater> should dropdown toolbars restrict themselves to the width of the top toolbar? 23:23:24 <jez> in TTD's traditional interface, i'd say yes 23:25:01 <Darkvater> eg 23:25:11 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.homeip.net/~tfarago/toolbar.png 23:25:38 <Darkvater> left vs right 23:26:09 <jez> again i'd say yes, in the traditional interface 23:26:19 <jez> unless your question was asking whether that behaviour should be changed 23:26:30 <Sacro> Darkvater: left 23:26:40 <Sacro> gn all 23:26:48 <jez> bye 23:26:59 <Darkvater> I'm asking which one looks better 23:27:04 <jez> left i'd say 23:27:12 <jez> but maybe that's because im used to it :-) 23:27:30 <jez> anyway i thought we wanted to try and keep to the original as much as possible 23:27:37 <jez> that's changing rather thanextending 23:27:39 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-224-221.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:24 <Darkvater> that is besides the point 23:28:33 <jez> i dont think so 23:28:45 * Belugas_Gone Darkvater 23:28:45 <Darkvater> but I do also think left looks better... the interface looks more 'belonging' 23:29:11 <jez> Belugas_Gone: why'd you use a /me? 23:31:48 <Darkvater> jez: to highlight me for an important message 23:34:59 <peter1138> if it ain't broke... 23:35:01 <jez> im zonked 23:35:34 <jez> back tomorrow, hopefully with a working broadband connection. 23:36:16 *** jez [postit@du213-130-143-24.as15444.net] has quit [] 23:36:24 <Darkvater> g 23:36:26 <Darkvater> eh gone 23:36:26 <Darkvater> nvm 23:42:17 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@p54B36829.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 23:43:32 <Born_Acorn> All the scientists in the world say never listen to jez. ever. :p 23:44:20 <Darkvater> so what do you say then Born_Acorn ? 23:44:39 <Born_Acorn> Left. Definately left. 23:45:01 <peter1138> RIGHT 23:45:02 <Darkvater> jez also said left 23:45:06 <peter1138> just to be different 23:45:07 <Darkvater> it cannot be right 23:45:18 <peter1138> so what's the question for then? 23:45:35 <Darkvater> hehe, this reminds me of a great John Cleese movie where he's head of a nunnery or something 23:45:48 <Serriaromeo> hola everyone 23:45:51 <Born_Acorn> yes. But just never listen to jez. Jez managed to get kicked twice in his/her first day in here. :p 23:46:04 <Darkvater> and goes to a car ride with one of them. He constantly affirms his actions with 'Right' and the girl turns right instead of left :P 23:46:08 <Born_Acorn> Also, he/she really really wants commit access to commit the face patch! 23:46:15 <Darkvater> peter1138: http://darkvater.homeip.net/~tfarago/toolbar.png < this is the question 23:46:32 <peter1138> i know what the question is. i'm asking why :) 23:46:53 <Serriaromeo> darkvater, are you still wanting that patch tested? 23:46:56 <Darkvater> peter1138: why am I asking, or why am I bothering to look at it? 23:47:00 <peter1138> both 23:47:02 <Darkvater> Serriaromeo: always good 23:47:20 <Darkvater> peter1138: cause I wasn't sure and I'm looking at it because 'electric railway' sticks out the window 23:47:54 <Darkvater> so I'm making the length depend on the length of the string and make it look better. Eg the dock dropdown sticks out at the end which is ugly 23:48:03 <peter1138> "dock construction" pokes off the right 23:48:07 <peter1138> yeah 23:48:37 <peter1138> make it depend on the width, and prefer align left with the icon, unless it would overflow the iconbar 23:48:42 <Darkvater> so I'm clamping all the dropdowns to window size (right) or toolbar size (left) 23:48:57 <Darkvater> peter1138: left then :) 23:49:18 <peter1138> yeah 23:49:20 <peter1138> right, bye 23:49:49 <Darkvater> right then 23:49:50 <Darkvater> ;p 23:49:51 <Darkvater> gn 23:49:51 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [] 23:50:07 <Darkvater> wow serriaromeo must've really tested the patch :) 23:55:48 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 23:59:50 *** Progman [~progman@p5091DA1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]