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00:29:10 *** PandaMojo__ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:56 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:34:12 *** PandaMojo__ is now known as PandaMojo 00:39:28 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 00:55:35 *** PandaMojo__ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 00:56:01 *** Morphy [~morphine@193.220.103.232] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59:56 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:59:56 *** PandaMojo__ is now known as PandaMojo 01:01:47 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7C70.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:09:14 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84627.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:12:25 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84883.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:12:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 01:24:00 *** PandaMojo__ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:28:56 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:29:09 *** PandaMojo__ is now known as PandaMojo 01:41:02 *** PandaMojo__ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:46:54 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:46:56 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:47:09 *** PandaMojo__ is now known as PandaMojo 02:23:15 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:31:04 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77107.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:30 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76D13.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:40:02 *** PandaMojo__ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 02:44:56 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:44:58 *** PandaMojo__ is now known as PandaMojo 02:56:44 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl7-179-28.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Time for Sleeping] 03:07:51 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:18:38 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498F28A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:36:32 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 04:56:06 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:10:54 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498D95E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:20:20 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 06:36:26 *** boekabart_ [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has joined #openttd 07:41:38 <Zuu> Ailure: http://www.jarnvag.net/lokguide/temaRc.asp 07:41:52 <Zuu> Ailure: http://www.jarnvag.net/lokguide/Rc1.asp 07:43:20 <Zuu> Ailure: And yes RC-locos are verry common for goods trains. A few passenger trains still use them, but most of them nowdays are EMUs or just built to fit with their wagons. 07:43:58 <Zuu> /or just/or is just/ 07:44:32 <hylje> zomg, på svenska 07:45:19 <Zuu> A typical passenger train have 3-6 cars here, no german giant trains except for spceial winter sports trains. 07:45:33 <peter1138> has :p 07:45:58 <Zuu> The usual night trains might alsa have more than 6 cars. 07:46:05 <Zuu> peter1138: Dam! :) 07:46:50 <Zuu> hylje: It's a good site, but it didn't seam to have an English translation. 07:47:11 <hylje> its ok 07:47:17 <Zuu> hylje: Just look on the pictures and be a happy boy :) 07:51:01 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C167.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:53:07 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-46-17.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 07:56:55 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C3E7.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:02:49 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-46-17.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 08:04:31 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip35.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 08:04:31 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip35.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:06:22 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 08:06:35 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip35.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 08:10:21 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-46-17.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:12:43 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip35.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:13:16 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:13:16 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 08:15:12 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:19:56 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:23:59 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 08:44:14 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:48:21 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 09:03:56 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has joined #openttd 09:09:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> "german giant trains"? that is the first time i hear about that 09:17:48 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 09:21:16 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-46-17.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 09:28:11 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-46-17.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:02:50 <Ailure> [09:43] <Zuu> Ailure: And yes RC-locos are verry common for goods trains. A few passenger trains still use them, but most of them nowdays are EMUs or just built to fit with their wagons. 10:02:53 <Ailure> few? 10:03:03 <Ailure> Most passenger trains passing through here uses the RC1 as engine 10:03:46 <Ailure> And the only other passenger trains I see is either X2000 or uhm 10:04:19 <Ailure> X3 10:04:46 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:04:46 <Ailure> or rather 10:04:48 <Ailure> x31 10:08:05 <Ailure> http://www.jarnvag.net/Bild/Banguide/Rc1-Hinsnoret.jpg 10:08:12 <Ailure> heh, this is a such common sight where I live 10:10:00 *** Progman [~foo@p57A1DCD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:15:49 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C705.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:18:35 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:21:24 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C167.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:22:33 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.106] has joined #openttd 10:24:14 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-42-54.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:24:56 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Words get written, words get twisted, old meanings change in the drift of time.] 10:25:26 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54ac7f6f.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:38:34 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-42-54.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:47:29 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 11:01:26 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-46-17.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:04:53 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-46-17.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 11:50:20 *** Morphy [~morphine@193.220.103.232] has joined #openttd 11:54:53 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58:50 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 12:00:35 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-84-226-106-127.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:08:42 <ThePizzaKing> is there a way to change 'wait_oneway_signal' in an already started game? 12:20:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> probably not 12:21:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> except if you modify the loading code 12:25:58 <ThePizzaKing> hmm 12:26:07 <ThePizzaKing> I don't particularly want to do that 12:26:11 <ThePizzaKing> oh well 12:33:43 *** thomas001 [~thomas@p54b7e1e3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:34:07 <blathijs> Isn't there some console command to do that? 12:34:12 <blathijs> something like "set" or so? 12:34:22 <blathijs> If not, why not? :-) 12:34:35 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:34:44 <thomas001> hi,i copied all those .gm files to my gm subdir,and there are tracks shown in the music player. but clicking play just skips to the next track. what may be wrong? 12:35:54 <thomas001> openttd 0.5.1-rc2 on linux/amd64 12:36:47 <blathijs> thomas001: Do you have timidity set up properly? 12:37:01 <blathijs> AFAIK timidity is the only way to play midi files one linux atm 12:37:05 <thomas001> huh? 12:37:19 <thomas001> aplaymidi uses my soundblaster wavetable just nicely 12:37:20 <blathijs> though that might have changed since I last looked 12:38:17 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:20 <thomas001> yes,just tested, aplaymidi -p 17:0 somefile.mid does work 12:38:52 <thomas001> perhaps i need to pass a different midi port to openttd? 12:39:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host137-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:40:01 <Wolf01> hello 12:40:15 <blathijs> thomas001: Unsure, when I last looked at midi in openttd, extmidi through timidity was the only option 12:40:27 <thomas001> hmm 12:40:29 <blathijs> I think that may have changed, so I can't really help you here 12:40:47 <thomas001> extmidi is timidity only? 12:40:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 12:41:07 <blathijs> It means, call an external program for playing MIDI, AFAIK 12:41:17 <thomas001> can i specify that program? 12:42:12 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-132-127-75.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:42:44 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:43:06 <thomas001> calling aplaymidi on the gm files seems to work 12:44:07 <blathijs> Last time I checked, the "timidity" part was compiled in 12:44:31 <blathijs> easiest might be to do "ln -s /usr/bin/aplaymidi /usr/bin/timidity" :-) 12:46:10 <thomas001> hmm you need to call it with parameters 12:46:31 <thomas001> there is an extmidi = ... option in openttd.cfg hmm 12:47:52 <blathijs> it seems that extmidi = should work, yes 12:48:18 <blathijs> but passing args to the program isn't supported from looking at the code 12:48:28 <blathijs> that is, only at compile-time 12:48:36 <blathijs> you could make a simple wrapper script 12:48:43 <blathijs> #!/bin/sh 12:48:58 <blathijs> /usr/bin/aplaymidi -args $@ 12:49:02 <blathijs> Something like that 12:50:58 <thomas001> yes just writing that ;) 12:51:28 <blathijs> :-) 12:51:34 <thomas001> hmm openttd could be patched to run extmidi in a shell 12:52:08 <thomas001> sh -c '$extmidi foo.gm' instead of just calling extmidi foo.gm 12:52:45 <blathijs> why would that be better? 12:54:08 <thomas001> you could use arguments and shell stuff for the midi programm 12:54:33 <thomas001> aplaymidi -p `get_my_midi_port` or something ;) 12:54:52 <thomas001> just simpler than the wrapper script,but i guess too less people need that ;) 12:55:38 <thomas001> btw the wrapper script works :) 13:01:04 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-42-54.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:03:19 <blathijs> thomas001: nice :-) 13:03:47 <thomas001> thanks blathijs :-) 13:03:49 <blathijs> thomas001: I agree that it makes it easier to set command name and arguments in one config var 13:03:54 <blathijs> yw :-) 13:05:58 <thomas001> but invoking the shell whould also be more overhead.... 13:12:12 <peter1138> if you're using alsa to play, you don't need a wrapper 13:14:20 <thomas001> how without a wrapper? 13:14:59 <peter1138> you can set the midi port as an environment variable ;) 13:18:11 <thomas001> for aplaymidi? 13:20:28 <peter1138> think so 13:20:36 <peter1138> maybe it's pmidi 13:20:42 <peter1138> which is still for alsa 13:21:12 <peter1138> i tried using a wrapped with aplaymidi and it didn't work properly 13:21:23 <peter1138> song changes would leave the old oen running, heh 13:22:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> For compatibility with pmidi(1), the port specification is taken 13:22:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> from the ALSA_OUTPUT_PORTS environment variable if none is given 13:22:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> on the command line. 13:22:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> [man aplaymidi] 13:27:41 <Belugas> hello 13:29:15 <Wolf01> hi 13:32:31 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:35:27 <Thomas[NL]> strange you ever heard of this, I get a subsidy-order for goods from a sawmill to a town, none brings wood there but last months production was 180 goods... and most strange all trees around it for about 15 squares have disappeared :/ 13:36:18 <Wolf01> tropic? 13:36:26 <antichaos> yeah, sawmills cut trees and produce goods directly now, even in termperate 13:36:30 <Thomas[NL]> nope temperate 13:36:34 <Wolf01> oh :O 13:37:16 <Progman> sawmills cut trees now? any informations about it? 13:37:19 <Thomas[NL]> it looks odd a square of bare land in the middle of a thick forest 13:37:48 <Wolf01> this is good to spend some money :D 13:38:10 <antichaos> it's due to the new industry behaviour thing, but I'm not sure it should apply to temperate sawmills 13:38:10 <Wolf01> when you have too much money, just plant trees at every sawmill 13:39:33 <Thomas[NL]> http://kzmu.nl/sawmill.png 13:41:43 <Progman> hmm 13:41:58 <Wolf01> nice 13:42:02 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp5-162.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 13:42:06 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp5-162.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [] 13:42:10 <Belugas> oups... 13:42:35 <Wolf01> build some sawmills and you don't need invisible trees 13:42:36 <Progman> build it at a town and you can increase the rating without destroying trees ;) 13:43:27 <Thomas[NL]> btw you got any tips on raising your rating? 13:43:54 <Thomas[NL]> busservices and planting trees off course but any more? 13:44:07 <hylje> would a a sawmill like that produce stuff on its own? 13:44:42 <Progman> Thomas[NL]: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Game_Mechanics 13:44:44 <Belugas> my fault... i will correct that in a few moments 13:44:53 <Belugas> sorry 13:45:27 <peter1138> Belugas: nice one :p 13:45:49 <Progman> declare it as "its not a bug, its a feature" ;) 13:45:59 <Wolf01> yeah, like microsoft 13:46:07 <Progman> or maybe even as patch option 13:46:18 <peter1138> sawmills always did that in tropical, of course... 13:46:27 <Thomas[NL]> hmm so just bribe, planting trees and a good service helps :( 13:46:47 <Belugas> yeah... but in the other hand, it proves how well you can change industry behaviour with negrf :) 13:46:56 <Belugas> when all will be implemented, of course 13:47:40 <peter1138> :) 13:47:42 <antichaos> arg - and I just spent the morning fixing my patch to take account of sawmill woodcutting :( 13:48:02 <peter1138> not that you're doing *anything* newindustry related 13:48:04 <peter1138> of course 13:48:04 <Wolf01> lol 13:48:13 *** maad [~emade@82.160.115.202] has joined #openttd 13:51:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9526 /trunk/src/table/build_industry.h: -Fix(9520): a temperate sawmill is not a tropic lumber mill. Thus, it cannot cut trees 13:52:05 <Belugas> no, i'm certainly not doing anything... really oriented toward any specific goal at the moment... 13:52:37 <Belugas> sorry antichaos :) at least, you learned a bit more about the internals :) 13:52:43 <Belugas> so not totally wasted ;) 13:53:00 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C705.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:53:11 <antichaos> yup, I'm getting pretty well aquainted with the industry stuff now 13:54:17 <Belugas> more changes are scheduled, by the way ;) 13:54:59 <Belugas> next step will be the way generation of new industries is done during gameplay. 13:55:01 <Belugas> maybe... 13:55:06 <Belugas> not sure yet 13:56:53 <Thomas[NL]> how far from implanting in the trunk is newindustries? 13:58:14 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C705.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:30 <Belugas> there is a lot of work yet to be done 13:59:42 <Belugas> i cannot produce a calendar 14:00:01 <Belugas> my estimate would be way past summer 14:00:37 <Belugas> that is, if i keep on working at the same paste 14:01:16 <Belugas> maybe more... don't know 14:01:44 <Belugas> the oly thing that is sure, is that newindustries are getting closer. step by step. 14:21:26 <Belugas> anyway, i hate commiting a date... 14:21:38 <Belugas> deadlines and me are never really made for each other :S 14:21:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84883.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:24:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B845FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:24:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:25:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> if i do not have a deadline, i tend to not get anything done at all 14:37:23 <Belugas> i'm too optimistic on mine... always get caugh pants down by something i've not expected 14:37:26 <Belugas> that is why :) 14:46:43 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 15:00:46 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-132-127-75.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 15:06:04 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-84-227-40-211.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 15:08:04 *** boekabart_ [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has left #openttd [Back to work, back to work, everybody, work work work work!] 15:14:46 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has joined #openttd 15:14:51 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has left #openttd [] 15:30:53 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 15:48:07 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-46-17.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 15:50:24 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 16:01:20 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 16:17:11 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 16:21:58 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 16:22:09 *** Progman [~foo@p57A1DCD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 16:25:46 <Belugas> mmmh... 16:25:50 <Belugas> uint16 AircraftDefaultCargoCapacity(CargoID cid, const AircraftVehicleInfo*); 16:26:01 <Belugas> uint16 AircraftDefaultCargoCapacity(CargoID cid, const AircraftVehicleInfo *avi) {...} 16:26:16 <Belugas> why is avi not in the declaration? 16:26:22 <Belugas> is this allowed? 16:26:27 <Belugas> is this a "bug" 16:27:28 <ln-> why should it be? 16:27:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1dcd3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:28:15 <Sacro|Laptop> Belugas: its not needed 16:29:22 <Ailure> so uhm 16:29:23 <Ailure> tell me 16:29:29 <Ailure> temperate sawmill acting like tropical 16:29:32 <Ailure> is that a bug or feature? 16:29:46 <Belugas> bug, created by me, already corrected in trunk 16:29:53 <Belugas> sooory 16:29:55 <Ailure> ok 16:29:58 <Ailure> eh nah 16:30:04 <Belugas> thanks Sacro|Laptop 16:30:05 <Ailure> just asking becuse some friend were all excited over it 16:30:10 <Ailure> I thought it was a kinda weird feature addition 16:30:12 <Ailure> :P 16:30:29 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3E580.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:30:36 <Belugas> tell them that they will be able to duplicate it when newindustries will be finihsed... 16:30:45 <Ailure> lol 16:30:57 <Belugas> if they care of writing the proper grf ;) 16:31:06 <Ailure> eh he took it well 16:31:07 <Ailure> :p 16:31:17 <Ailure> now, a good question 16:31:32 <Ailure> when will newindustries be implented. ;) 16:32:25 <hylje> Belugas! newindustries! 16:32:28 <hylje> :b 16:33:49 <Ailure> athough of course 16:33:53 <Ailure> newCargos needs to be finished first 16:33:54 <Ailure> heh 16:34:13 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has quit [] 16:35:45 <Belugas> Guys, you know the answer... 16:35:47 <Belugas> When 16:35:48 <Belugas> It 16:35:49 <Belugas> Will 16:35:50 <Belugas> Be 16:35:51 <Belugas> Done! 16:36:04 <Belugas> but... 16:36:23 <Belugas> for general information, bits of it are already in trunk, thus the last bug... 16:36:25 <Ailure> Hey, when did the 3Drealms guys get involved with openTTD? ;) 16:36:41 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3F88F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:42 <Belugas> first, clean the data, then start to make it more... manageable 16:36:51 <Belugas> 3d? 16:36:51 <Ailure> And yeah, I had the feeling 16:37:02 <Belugas> what where when how why 16:37:05 <Ailure> 3Drealms 16:37:11 <Ailure> aka makers of "Duke Nukem forever" 16:37:17 <Belugas> they are? 16:37:39 <Ailure> yes 16:37:40 <Ailure> who else? 16:37:41 <Ailure> :p 16:37:45 <Ailure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_nukem_forever 16:37:55 <Ailure> It's been devoloped since 1997 16:38:05 <Ailure> and they always say "It's done when it's done" 16:38:42 <Ailure> It turned into a symbol of a game 16:38:46 <Ailure> that been in devolopment for too long 16:39:21 <Ailure> However to be fair, that's not the case with newIndustries. :P And also, I'm well aware of the diffrence between volountaring people and people who actually get paid for it. 16:40:31 <Belugas> ho... 16:40:33 <Belugas> a joke... 16:40:55 <Belugas> well... 16:41:09 <Belugas> i work on it about an hour per day, more or less 16:41:22 <Belugas> at home, when my kid is put to sleep, 16:41:25 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-42-54.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:41:45 <Belugas> and when my wife let me punch the keyboard... 16:42:01 <Belugas> ain't a student with a lot of free time, unfortunately 16:42:39 <Ailure> heh well 16:42:41 <Ailure> as always 16:42:49 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:42:50 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 16:42:51 <Ailure> If you want something faster in open source projects 16:42:55 <Ailure> you have to write it yourself ;) 16:43:03 <Ailure> or bribe someone to write it 16:46:21 <Belugas> exactly what hapenned with newhouses. I've got that project in progress since day one, then Maedhros came with an almost finished product :) 16:46:27 <Belugas> that does help a LOT! 16:46:44 <Belugas> now... 16:47:04 <Belugas> do i feel like an opportunity here????? 16:47:22 <Ailure> :P 16:47:25 <Ailure> Dunno 16:47:27 <Ailure> and reminds me 16:47:31 <Ailure> I really really need to learn C++ 16:47:36 <Ailure> I'm a Java guy 16:47:42 <Ailure> and pretty much comfortable doing stuff in it 16:47:53 <Ailure> but even things like header files (I think they are called?) confuses me a bit. 16:48:11 * SpComb was starting to feel comfortable with C and then OpenTTD went along and decided to convert everything to C++ 16:48:36 <hylje> im a python head 16:48:50 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 16:48:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:48:58 <SpComb> python is cool but writing C code feels far more empowering 16:49:10 <SpComb> I do enjoy python as well at times, but there's something strange about it 16:49:13 <Ailure> not like I really have much to learn 16:49:17 <SpComb> SpBotII ended up in a really annoying way 16:49:18 <Ailure> as it's pretty much memory managment 16:49:24 <SpComb> took me weeks to recover from it 16:49:26 <Ailure> that is the biggest question mark for me, when it comes to C++ 16:49:37 <hylje> :p 16:49:38 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49:38 <Ailure> and I actually done assembly. D: 16:49:43 <Belugas> Ailure, i'm a Delphi guy, all day... So your argument does not apply 16:49:57 <Ailure> Delphi was my first programming language 16:49:58 <Ailure> :) 16:50:01 <Ailure> I forgot everything about it by now 16:50:12 <SpComb> never done delphi 16:50:22 <Belugas> you'r much closer to C++ then I am Ailure :) 16:50:33 <Ailure> I know 16:50:40 <Belugas> SpComb, it's a nice language, believe me 16:50:40 <Ailure> Java is pretty much based on C++ 16:50:42 <Ailure> as far I know 16:50:43 <Ailure> and heh 16:50:49 <Ailure> [18:47] <MaxKnight> So... that awesome sawmill behavior was just a bug? 16:50:49 <Ailure> [18:47] <Drag> Yeah 16:50:49 <Ailure> [18:47] <MaxKnight> That's too bad... 16:50:49 <Ailure> [18:47] <Drag> Don't feel too bad 16:50:49 <Ailure> [18:47] <MaxKnight> It's like an instant way to make a city love you... 16:50:53 <SpComb> who needs delphi when you have... batch files 16:51:01 <Ailure> lol 16:51:07 <hylje> from what ive seen, python has surprisingly much in common with object pascal 16:51:12 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 16:51:15 * SpComb has several tens of KB of batch file code :P 16:51:35 <Ailure> heh 16:51:43 <SpComb> Nr-TTD has about 1268 lines of it 16:51:44 <Ailure> imagine doing advanced stuff with batch files 16:51:48 <SpComb> :evail: 16:51:49 <Belugas> i should learn python then :) 16:51:50 <hylje> ouch 16:51:52 <SpComb> *:evil: 16:52:03 <Belugas> Poor maxknight :) 16:52:07 <Ailure> I only used batch files for like 16:52:10 <Ailure> infinite program loops 16:52:11 <hylje> but some people have done hueg stuff with bash 16:52:13 <Ailure> so a program would restart itself 16:52:15 <Ailure> incase it crashed 16:52:21 <Ailure> CLI programs 16:52:37 <Belugas> i use batch files for commiting, diffing, updating and all those alike :) 16:52:40 <hylje> Ailure: then you have progs which leave behind a "omg, crash [OK]" window 16:52:51 <Ailure> not really 16:52:55 <SpComb> problem with windows is that if you want to write something for it your options are a) win32 C/C++ b) VB c) batch files d) py2exe/similar e) make the users install the needed language runtime 16:52:58 <Ailure> more like quitting themself when a crash happens 16:53:10 <Ailure> it was some server program for some game 16:53:16 <Ailure> anyway, gonna get snacks 16:53:20 <Ailure> brb 16:53:31 <SpComb> writing Nr-TTD gives me some kind of evil pleasure 16:53:36 <SpComb> it's a horrible language 16:54:18 <SpComb> variable expansion inside of for loops? Naaaah 16:54:33 <hylje> you perv 16:54:40 <SpComb> ya 16:54:53 <SpComb> but it works and does all kinds of interesting things 16:55:05 <SpComb> and it's the only installer for TTD Patch that exists 16:55:42 <hylje> ouch 16:58:56 *** Belugas [belugas@openttd.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:59:07 *** Belugas [belugas@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 16:59:13 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 17:00:34 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.98] has joined #openttd 17:02:48 <UndernotBuilder> should we ask to antichaos if he splits the budgets+workforce patch into budgets and workforce? 17:07:37 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489f043.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:07:49 <UndernotBuilder> but as all cool patch will be rejected :( 17:14:21 <SpComb> yeah, the devs hate you guys :< 17:14:34 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489F46A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:01 <Maedhros> yes, yes we do. 17:15:44 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54ac7f6f.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:01 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176104007.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:16:15 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC78AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:17:17 <UndernotBuilder> damn openttd team 17:17:50 <UndernotBuilder> it should be good for openttdcoop 17:18:08 <UndernotBuilder> specially the workforce part 17:19:00 <Noldo> hey keep at it, whining will surely win the day for you 17:25:27 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 17:26:26 <Belugas> interesting... 17:26:46 <Belugas> what will be the advantage(s)? 17:29:29 <hylje> might anyone have a list of packages to install for building ottd on ubuntu? 17:30:00 <UndernotBuilder> more interesting games... incremented difficult of the game... a better objective... the things that openttd needs 17:30:23 <peter1138> hmm, it's *ginormous* 17:34:41 <hylje> checking psp-config... not PSP, skipping 17:34:42 <hylje> wait, what? 17:36:52 <peter1138> paint shop pro? 17:37:13 <glx> play station portable 17:37:20 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-150-165.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:37:22 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-150-165.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 17:43:53 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5F68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:44:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: miham * r9527 /trunk/src/lang/slovenian.txt: 17:44:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-03-30 19:44:17 17:44:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: slovenian - 2 fixed by Necrolyte (2) 17:46:27 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5F68.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 17:51:02 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:55:38 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:56:56 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C705.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:57:08 <Zuu> In 0.5.0, buses select a bus-station out of available without checking if it is reachable.. I would not say that it is worth fixing. 17:59:00 *** LaPingvino [~joop@82-171-74-245.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:02:34 <Belugas> UndernotBuilder, that's more a salesman pitch than anything else... can you be more descriptive? 18:03:33 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:03:52 <Rubidium> hmm, UndernotBuilder wants to make it harder, XKeeper complains it's already 'too difficult' 18:03:53 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C705.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:32 <hylje> the workforce patch is haaard 18:04:56 <hylje> it involves a one-way bus/train service to every industry 18:05:10 <Noldo> sounds idiotic 18:05:19 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:19 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 18:05:23 <hylje> the industries arent going to run without people 18:05:32 <hylje> no advanced robotics at 195 18:05:33 <hylje> 1 18:06:01 <Noldo> the poor bastards never get to go to home? 18:06:05 <hylje> yep 18:06:06 <hylje> :D 18:06:14 <hylje> they are used there until they die 18:06:17 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176122164.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:06:18 <hylje> i suppose 18:06:28 <hylje> and at least at a coal mine workforce dies quickly 18:06:52 <Belugas> sounds like out of the scope of the game. 18:07:46 <Sionide> errr... why? 18:07:58 <Belugas> this is a transport game 18:08:00 <Sionide> right 18:08:12 <hylje> not an economy management game? :) 18:08:14 <Belugas> not a world management... 18:08:19 <Sionide> you can transport passengers between cities.. 18:08:24 <Belugas> yeah... that's the point 18:08:49 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176104007.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:09:19 <Belugas> anyway, if you want people to be transported to industries, wait for newinduistries, make a grf for it and passengers will be required for the industry to work 18:09:24 <Belugas> my opinion 18:09:43 <hylje> mm.. soylent green 18:09:57 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:10:13 <Noldo> Belugas: and better yet, offer your help with newindustries 18:11:06 <Belugas> well... didn't i offered it already ? 18:12:00 <Belugas> [12:46] <@Belugas> exactly what hapenned with newhouses. I've got that project in progress since day one, then Maedhros came with an almost finished product :) 18:12:00 <Belugas> [12:46] <@Belugas> that does help a LOT! 18:12:00 <Belugas> [12:46] <@Belugas> now... 18:12:00 <Belugas> [12:46] <@Belugas> do i feel like an opportunity here????? 18:12:09 <Noldo> Belugas: I ment that people who want that feature should help rather than just wait 18:12:29 <Belugas> Noldo : look above :) 18:12:50 <Noldo> ah 18:16:07 <Belugas> maybe i should post a todo list somewhere.. 18:16:43 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp83-237-100-168.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:20:46 <Belugas> or maybe a branch... but i don't fancy adding YET another branch 18:26:53 <peter1138> pompiepom 18:27:27 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C3E7.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:30:18 <Sacro> peter1138: :o you killed Purno 18:32:56 <LaPingvino> typo on the website: translator.openttd.org: Online transltor for I18n of OpenTTD 18:33:08 <LaPingvino> transltor > translator 18:35:39 <LaPingvino> in fact, even the link is wrong... 18:35:51 <LaPingvino> it should be translator2.openttd.org ... 18:46:50 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:46:50 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:49:33 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 18:51:02 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:51:02 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:51:08 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 18:54:31 <Zuu> Looks so funny when you forget to attach wagons and send a way a tinny locomotive :) 19:04:35 <hylje> choo choo 19:12:43 <scia> shoo shoo 19:15:57 <UndernotBuilder> well, then to wait for newindustries / newcargos 19:17:19 <Patrick> shoe trains! 19:21:07 *** BJH2__ [~chatzilla@e176118164.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:22:06 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:22:17 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:23:46 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176122164.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:36:37 <Maedhros> Belugas: i'd like to (try to) help with newindustries, so a todo list would be very helpful :) 19:39:22 <Belugas> ok, i'll prepare one. 19:39:58 <hylje> Patrick: yep, newind/cargo will let you do silly transporting 19:47:21 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:49:46 <Belugas> the next step i'm heading out is the generation of ingame/random game , much like the house probability stuff 19:49:50 <Belugas> ingame is easy 19:50:12 <Belugas> random not, since it does not get data from anywhere 19:50:17 <Belugas> purely random 19:51:16 <Belugas> of course, the variactional stuff has to be done 19:51:32 <Belugas> the action 00 prop is laid out, 19:51:44 <Belugas> for both industry and industry tiles 19:52:29 <Maedhros> cool 19:52:50 <Belugas> laid out, not active ;) 19:53:07 <Belugas> mmh... 19:57:21 <Belugas> i'm still struggling on how the sound array could be spec-ed Action 00(industry), prop 15 19:58:01 <Belugas> then, the layaout is not clear , prop 0A 19:58:31 <Belugas> i have not really investigate the latter, to be honest 20:06:30 <Maedhros> hah, yeah, the spec for prop 15 could do with some improvement... 20:06:44 <UndernotBuilder> how far are we of a newindustries / newcargos branch? 20:07:13 <Rubidium> at least one svn cp ;) 20:08:02 <Sacro> whooo, i found 6 quakenets 20:09:51 <Belugas> UndernotBuilder, i would say that it is about 25% done 20:10:54 <UndernotBuilder> 25% done? of the creation or of the completion? 20:10:56 <Belugas> there's already a big job done already in trunk, but it was more about the gathering of the data into workable specs than anything else 20:11:15 <Belugas> same for me... 20:13:00 <Belugas> creation has started a long time ago 20:13:56 <UndernotBuilder> which one has been created? newcargos? 20:15:26 <Belugas> newcargo has been created 20:15:32 <Belugas> but is not finished 20:15:57 <Belugas> although there is not much to do 20:16:15 <Noldo> what is missing exactly? 20:18:39 <peter1138> most of newcargos is in trunk 20:18:51 <Belugas> the magic touch of the Master ;) 20:18:59 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-224-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:19:06 <Noldo> :) 20:29:20 *** LaPingvino [~joop@82-171-74-245.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:28 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-224-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 20:32:44 <Ailure> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Game_Mechanics 20:45:05 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl4-210-222.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 20:45:57 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C705.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:45:59 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 20:55:31 *** thomas001 [~thomas@p54b7e1e3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:58 *** Sacro_ [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:59:58 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:01:24 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 21:18:03 <Belugas> cool, Ailure 21:22:19 <Rubidium> Belugas: what's so cool about it? 21:22:38 <Belugas> documentation... 21:22:49 <Belugas> that is what i findcool, 21:22:56 <Rubidium> from 2005... 21:23:07 <Belugas> oh... 21:23:10 <Belugas> then... 21:23:14 <Belugas> not cool! 21:23:21 <Belugas> i thoug he was making it 21:23:36 <Rubidium> still cool, but Ailure didn't write it 21:23:54 <Ailure> ... 21:23:57 <Ailure> doh it was wrong channel 21:24:05 <Ailure> xD 21:24:34 <Ailure> at least I didn't tell people to check out openTTD in this channel 21:24:35 <Ailure> :P 21:25:17 <Belugas> heheh 21:25:23 <Belugas> anyway, i'm gone 21:25:27 <Belugas> have a nice weekend 21:26:15 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Words get written, words get twisted, old meanings change in the drift of time.] 21:32:24 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl4-210-222.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Time for Sleeping] 21:32:40 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:34:50 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B845FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81DAA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:37:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:39:41 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pd9eb5dbc.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:39:41 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:41:30 <Wolf01> 'night 21:41:34 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host137-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 21:44:24 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:58:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: glx * r9528 /trunk/src/autoreplace_gui.cpp: -Fix r8610: don't try to modify non-existent widgets (many thanks to Bruce Perence, the libefence developer) 22:07:36 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:08:20 *** visitor11 [~visitor11@77.47.7.6.static.cablesurf.de] has joined #openttd 22:12:26 *** visitor11 [~visitor11@77.47.7.6.static.cablesurf.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:17:25 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9529 /trunk/src/players.cpp: -Fix [FS#705]: when 2 clients joined together, the second asserted on the NewCompany command of the first 22:26:00 <ln-> The OS X port probably can't be compiled as 64-bit binary. 22:26:21 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:01 *** PandaMojo__ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:33:35 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:56 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:16 <Rubidium> ln-: why wouldn't it? 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