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00:03:24 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 00:07:58 <Bjarni> LOL 00:07:58 <svip> :> I knew it was your kind of humour, Bjarni. 00:07:58 <Bjarni> you have no idea how many odd things people who up with at hospitals 00:08:08 <svip> But you didn't look at link I posted before? 00:08:43 <svip> And not the dwarf one. 00:08:55 <Bjarni> reminds me of a guy, who was refueling his car and he got his finger jammed in the opening. He ended up at the hospital to get his finger free from the part of the car, they had cut out to move it with him 00:08:55 <TrueBrain> hmm, a girlfriend calling you doesn't help in the: try-to-code-this-as-fast-as-you-can attempt 00:09:11 <Bjarni> heh 00:09:15 <TrueBrain> Bjarni: if you would give me 1 dollar for every time you say: 'reminds me of', I truely would be rich by now 00:09:19 <svip> Hmm, that you have a girlfriend is more surprising. 00:09:27 <TrueBrain> @kick svip go fish 00:09:27 *** svip was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [go fish] 00:09:30 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 00:09:38 <svip> He is too easy. :) 00:10:09 <Bjarni> TrueBrain: hmm.... maybe I say it a bit too often then 00:10:17 <TrueBrain> Bjarni: just maybe, yes 00:10:22 <TrueBrain> anyway, writing a byte-language sucks 00:10:26 <Bjarni> we can't have that you end up getting rich because of something I do :p 00:10:39 <svip> Would be nice though. 00:11:10 <svip> You also nicely refrain from answering my question. :) 00:12:01 <Bjarni> <svip> But you didn't look at link I posted before? <-- the road idea one or ? 00:12:10 <svip> Yes. 00:12:10 <TrueBrain> hmm, creating a byte-language for minesweep is really much more tricky then I assumed :( 00:12:10 <Bjarni> CFTM 00:12:42 <svip> Your recall of the acronym assumes you did. 00:12:57 <Bjarni> I looked briefly at it and then thought "the best idea is the last" 00:13:09 <svip> The Zoning one? 00:13:17 <Bjarni> making some sort of highlight of where you are allowed to build 00:13:23 <svip> Yeah. 00:13:31 * Phazorx recall his mineswepper clone to be 1st computer game he ever made 00:13:35 <svip> I actually wondered when I thought of that why there wasn't one already. 00:13:48 <Bjarni> I wouldn't know how to make it work nicely with the 8 bit graphic engine though 00:14:10 <svip> Border highlighting? 00:14:19 <svip> Like the usual markers. 00:17:21 <Bjarni> it's getting late 00:17:31 <Bjarni> sane people would be sleeping right now 00:17:42 * Bjarni tries to join sanity 00:17:45 <TrueBrain> that explains a few things 00:17:56 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:18:03 <TrueBrain> night 00:18:09 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79ad4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:20:34 *** Tobin [~tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:21:39 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B076672.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:26:28 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:28:39 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493DDBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:30:01 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl4-208-30.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 00:31:02 <Digitalfox> TrueBrain: "creating a byte-language for minesweep is really much more tricky then I assumed" you are trying?? 00:31:24 <Digitalfox> Why? :\ 00:31:44 <TrueBrain> just a littlle experiment I wanted to do for the longest time 00:34:19 <TrueBrain> SetCode(&code, MineSweeper::CODE_DEC_A, 1); 00:34:19 <TrueBrain> SetCode(&code, MineSweeper::CODE_GET, 0); 00:34:19 <TrueBrain> SetCode(&code, MineSweeper::CODE_IF_EQ, 12); 00:34:19 <TrueBrain> SetCode(&code, MineSweeper::CODE_ADD_D, 1); 00:34:20 <TrueBrain> hehe 00:34:42 *** SmatZ__ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 00:34:53 <Digitalfox> I was reading the log, and read that, so i was curious on what you were going to do with it :) 00:34:55 *** SmatZ__ is now known as SmatZ 00:35:08 <TrueBrain> I want to make a Genetic Program that finds a way to solve MineSweeper 00:35:14 <Digitalfox> lol 00:35:23 <TrueBrain> of course it is idiotic 00:35:29 <TrueBrain> but you have to do something when you are bored 00:35:40 <Digitalfox> You are spending time on that? Don't tell me you are bored or you can't win the game ;) 00:36:12 <Digitalfox> ( actually i never won the game, since i only played twice ) ... :) 00:36:26 <TrueBrain> the game is just a random game I picked 00:36:30 <TrueBrain> I assumed the rules would be simple 00:36:35 <TrueBrain> they in fact are, just 3 base commands 00:36:41 <TrueBrain> I just forgot it needs tons of logic-functions 00:37:03 <Digitalfox> :) 00:37:30 <Digitalfox> Did you see this movie already? http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1770138 00:37:40 <Digitalfox> It is perfect for you TrueBrain ;) 00:38:19 *** SmatZ_ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:39:15 <TrueBrain> it does :p 00:40:21 <Digitalfox> You like it? 00:40:33 <Digitalfox> *Did you like it? 00:40:58 <TrueBrain> it is funny 00:42:04 <Digitalfox> I think it's very well done.. Normally videos made by people just for some fun aren't really professional ones, but this one is verry well done IMO :) 00:42:38 <TrueBrain> omg, this minesweeper is going to be so much harder then I assumed :s 00:42:58 <svip> http://www.isarapix.com/pix4/1187570556.png << Dunno if that works. 00:43:37 <Digitalfox> gn 00:43:41 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl4-208-30.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:48:23 <TrueBrain> okay, I can make some logic in this byte-language now 00:48:28 <TrueBrain> would it be sufficient :s 00:49:40 <TrueBrain> oh well, nightynight all! 00:52:02 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:53:40 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0DB63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:57:28 *** _Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0F98A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:01:43 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0DB63.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:02:14 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0E9A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:08:49 *** Hendrix [Tomislav@80.80.49.46] has joined #openttd 01:09:04 <Hendrix> hy 01:09:22 <SmatZ> hi 01:09:41 <Hendrix> what is the newest version of ttd 01:09:42 <Hendrix> ?? 01:10:08 <svip> Depends on what you mean. 01:10:19 <svip> Your question is extremely vague. 01:10:23 <Hendrix> is it ottd or ttd?? 01:10:29 <svip> You said "ttd". I don't think ttd is developed any more. 01:10:33 <svip> "ottd", please. 01:10:42 <SmatZ> depends ... 0.5.2 stable, 0.5.3 rc2 prerelease, r10946 nightly build, r10949 svn build 01:11:17 <Hendrix> can someone give me some patches for graphics and vehicles? 01:12:01 <Hendrix> i've downloaded ottd 0.4.7 01:12:12 <SmatZ> Hendrix: some GRFs are there -> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/GRF 01:12:19 <SmatZ> 0.4.7 is so old 01:12:26 <glx> first update to at least 0.5.2 01:12:38 <SmatZ> I doubt new GRFs will work with that version 01:12:41 <Hendrix> where do i get 0.5.2? 01:12:43 <SmatZ> *all 01:12:50 <svip> www.openttd.org 01:12:55 <svip> Click the "download" link. 01:13:34 <Hendrix> thnx 01:14:44 <Hendrix> OpenTTD requires the original version of Transport Tycoon Deluxe data files in order to function. 01:14:49 <Hendrix> what that means? 01:15:22 <SmatZ> Hendrix: OTTD needs original graphic and sound files 01:15:50 *** Dark_Link^sleep [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:15:50 <SmatZ> copy your *.grf and sample.cat into ottd/data directory 01:16:23 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0E9A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:16:43 <Hendrix> my ottd works good without anything else 01:16:49 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0FABF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:17:45 <SmatZ> Hendrix: well I don't know where you have your ottd copy from... maybe it contains the required files, but distributing that is most likely illegal 01:18:32 <Hendrix> khm 01:18:41 <Hendrix> ok 01:22:01 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B65D7A.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [] 01:26:51 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@82.152.222.90] has joined #openttd 01:31:26 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76BAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:31:36 <Hendrix> does someone haves some interesting savegames? 01:37:54 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:58 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0FABF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:39:34 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6156.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 01:44:41 <Hendrix> where do i have to put *.grf files that i could used them in game? 01:47:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> lots of places... easiest would be a subdirectory of the data directory 01:48:02 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-232-40.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:48:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> i.e. go to the data directory, create a directory called newgrf (or whatever you like) and put the grf files there 01:48:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> then the game should detect them and you can choose them from the newgrf settings dialog 01:49:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> assuming you really did get 0.5.2 01:49:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> this will not work in 0.4.* 01:49:42 <Hendrix> can i get grf files for buildings? 01:50:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, support for them is not in 0.5, but will be in 0.6 (or the nightlies) 01:50:44 <Hendrix> thanx 01:51:03 <Hendrix> whot about for roads? 01:51:08 <Hendrix> or railways? 01:51:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, those should work 01:52:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> and no, industry grfs will not work... 01:52:33 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:52:51 <Hendrix> where can i get road grfs? 01:53:36 <Hendrix> i put the grf files in newgrf file but ottd cennot recognize them 01:53:47 <Hendrix> only in data folder 01:54:02 <Hendrix> newgrf folder* 01:56:10 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:56:14 <Ammller> Hendrix: is the newgrf folder a subdir of data? 01:57:25 <Hendrix> of what data? 01:57:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: richk * r10950 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: Helicopters need slightly different rotated position data to pinpoint their landings on the rotated helipads. 01:58:57 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: richk * r10951 /branches/NewGRF_ports/bin/data/ (airportsextended.grf sprites/airportsextended.nfo): [NewGRF_ports] -Add: Three alternative rotations for Helidepot. 02:00:30 <Hendrix> CIA-2: i don't understand you 02:00:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> i kinda doubt he will care :p 02:27:06 *** Hendrix [Tomislav@80.80.49.46] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 02:28:19 *** Dephenom [~paul@81-178-15-211.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:28:41 *** Dephenom [~paul@81-178-15-211.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 03:00:46 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387C842.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 03:07:27 *** G [~nigel@202-154-146-112.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:58 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C644.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:14:19 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 04:15:44 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-33-195.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:56:22 *** Smoovious [~imp486@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:59:44 <Smoky555> hi all :) 05:00:21 <Smoky555> is diagonal crossing patch available for the last trunk? 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11:03:12 <OJ> the wiki seems to lack info on that... 11:03:37 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-69.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:04:04 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-69.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:08:02 <Maedhros> OJ: 8 companies, and 10 (or possibly 11) clients 11:08:33 <OJ> bummer okay 11:08:35 <OJ> Cheers 11:10:20 *** alex_ [~joe@62-249-237-101.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #openttd 11:22:33 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-165-021.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:24:15 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-165-021.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:24:43 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 11:30:29 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:30:56 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 11:34:12 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-103-180.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:40:04 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-103-180.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:40:04 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 11:48:04 <OJ> Another Q 11:48:51 <OJ> ah, I got it 11:54:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76BCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:54:50 *** Leif_ [Leif@c-a3c5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 11:56:23 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 11:56:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:01:33 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-a3c5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:09:09 *** Leif_ [Leif@c-a3c5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:10:07 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:17:36 *** YOYO-NL [~MSN@ip51cc9a76.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:17:39 *** YOYO-NL [~MSN@ip51cc9a76.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 12:18:47 *** YOYO-NL [~MSN@ip51cc9a76.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:18:56 <YOYO-NL> hello 12:26:32 *** Netsplit cation.oftc.net <-> synthon.oftc.net quits: manveru, lolman, Ailure, Frostregen, ThePizzaKing, DaleStan, Ammler, Jezral, peter1139, OJ, (+36 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 12:26:46 *** Netsplit over, joins: G, mikegrb, +glx, DaleStan, Vikthor, Frostregen, alex_, ThePizzaKing, OJ, Ammler (+36 more) 12:26:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 12:26:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 12:26:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 12:28:31 *** simon444 [~simon@124-170-53-151.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:30:08 <simon444> just saw the simpsons movie 12:30:12 <simon444> I want a refund 12:31:46 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 12:34:14 <alex_> has anyone has shit sleep the last couple of days? 12:34:20 <alex_> had* 12:34:32 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@Yda64.y.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 12:34:32 * ThePizzaKing always sleeps bad 12:34:41 *** skidd13 is now known as skidd13|uni 12:34:57 <ThePizzaKing> too much running through Maths and Physics in my head 12:35:01 <ThePizzaKing> It's great 12:36:02 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-69.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:36:10 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-250-177.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 12:38:12 <simon444> alex_, is that when you poop in your sleep? 12:39:01 <Noldo> simon444: can you remember when was the lastime you had an on-topic and meaningfull contribution to this channel? 12:39:45 <simon444> Noldo, yes. However, I don't think alex_'s comment was any more offtopic than me. 12:44:55 <YOYO-NL> anyone has an idea which package works on Suse linux? 12:45:13 <glx> source should 12:45:19 *** skidd13|uni [~skidd13@Yda64.y.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:21 <glx> but you need to compile it 12:45:22 <YOYO-NL> ty 12:45:25 <YOYO-NL> hmm 12:45:41 <YOYO-NL> lawl that could be fun never have done that :) 12:49:31 *** Leif_ [Leif@c-a3c5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 12:49:33 <Eddi|zuHause> iirc celestar did attempt to create suse packages once... might have been for the nightlies... 12:49:37 *** Leif_ is now known as Zuu 12:49:52 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-39-155.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 12:50:35 <Eddi|zuHause> but compiling should work fine... remember to install the -devel versions of sdl and stuff... 12:50:48 <YOYO-NL> yeah im reading the wiki 12:50:54 <YOYO-NL> says i need quite a lot 12:51:06 <YOYO-NL> sure i need that in order to maka a server? 12:51:22 <glx> you don't need sd for a server 12:51:35 <glx> you can build a dedicated only version 12:52:19 <Noldo> ./configure will tell 12:52:21 <YOYO-NL> thats what i want :) so if i understand correctly i dont need a sd package then? 12:52:29 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but zlib at least :) 12:52:47 <YOYO-NL> hmmm k 12:52:51 <glx> zlib is a must :) else the savegames will be very big 12:52:57 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-39-155.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:53:07 <YOYO-NL> lol 12:56:13 <YOYO-NL> hmmm you need to do this with every update of Openttd>? 12:56:49 <Noldo> if you use the source package,yes 12:57:16 <Maedhros> well, you only need to install the libraries / headers once 12:57:22 <Noldo> true 13:01:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76BCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76BCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:02:12 <YOYO-NL> k when the packages are in then open a terminal and type $ ./configure 13:02:29 <YOYO-NL> does it give me a choise on where i can put it? 13:02:37 <glx> ./configure --dedicated 13:02:59 <glx> ./configure --help qill show you the options 13:03:10 <YOYO-NL> k 13:05:41 <simon444> you don't need to compile 13:06:05 <simon444> just use the precompiled tarballs for your libc 13:07:17 <glx> simon444: these files just don't exist 13:08:57 <YOYO-NL> ah crap my HD doenst want again 13:09:06 <YOYO-NL> need to fix that first 13:10:44 <simon444> glx, I'm to old then\ 13:11:01 <simon444> much simplier in the unix days 13:32:06 *** Zuu [Leif@c-a3c5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:43:38 <YOYO-NL> ok it does something strang 13:43:38 <YOYO-NL> e 13:43:52 <YOYO-NL> i placed the zip on the disk im gonna use for it 13:43:54 <YOYO-NL> unpacked it 13:43:59 <YOYO-NL> went to terminal 13:44:06 <YOYO-NL> moved to the according map 13:44:18 <YOYO-NL> said /configure --help 13:44:24 <YOYO-NL> then it says no such file 13:44:33 <YOYO-NL> but it is in the list :s 13:44:34 <Eddi|zuHause> ./configure 13:45:12 <svip> :) He forgot the dot. 13:45:23 <glx> you used zip or tar to get the source? 13:45:25 <Eddi|zuHause> not /configure 13:45:36 <YOYO-NL> recieved back: bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied 13:45:42 <YOYO-NL> tar 13:45:56 <svip> :/ what did you download it as? 13:46:12 <YOYO-NL> tar file 13:46:19 <YOYO-NL> tar.bz2 13:46:19 <svip> I meant user. 13:46:28 <YOYO-NL> as normal 13:46:33 <YOYO-NL> install using root 13:46:36 <svip> :< 13:46:42 <svip> Install? 13:46:47 <svip> You haven't even configured it yet. 13:47:06 <YOYO-NL> yeah lol :) i explain better 13:47:22 <svip> No need to use root though. 13:47:35 <svip> You only have to use root for "make install". 13:47:35 <YOYO-NL> i downloaded the file as tar.bz2 as the normal user called YOYO 13:47:46 <svip> In capital letters? :| 13:47:48 <YOYO-NL> then i switchd to root in order to prevent 13:48:02 <svip> Prevent what? 13:48:02 <YOYO-NL> wrong permissions ect 13:48:08 <YOYO-NL> then i start the terminal 13:48:18 <YOYO-NL> go to the according map 13:48:28 <ln-> don't use your system as root. 13:48:28 <YOYO-NL> where i unpacked the tar.bz2 13:48:36 <svip> Indeed, ln-. 13:48:48 <YOYO-NL> root only used in order to do things to the system 13:48:55 <YOYO-NL> its not in use for common tasks 13:49:07 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:49:20 <Eddi|zuHause> unpacking and compiling are "common tasks" 13:49:20 <svip> That is not true. 13:49:43 <Eddi|zuHause> just "make install" should require root 13:50:05 <YOYO-NL> ok but why do i get permission denied 13:50:21 <glx> what are the rights of configure? 13:50:21 <svip> Try unpacking it again as your usual user. 13:50:25 <Maedhros> have you got the partition you're trying to compile on mounted noexec? 13:50:29 <svip> ls -lh configure 13:50:51 <svip> Better check his mtab. 13:51:06 <svip> Meh, that doesn't say it. 13:51:22 <YOYO-NL> ok i need to add to my story that Suse is running on a small disk wich has the original partition type and that OpenTTD is on a NTFS disk 13:51:32 <svip> :] NTFS? 13:51:37 <YOYO-NL> yeah :) 13:51:50 <YOYO-NL> there is a program that coupels those 2 systems 13:51:59 <YOYO-NL> although not bug free yet 13:52:05 <svip> No wonder it won't work. 13:52:08 <Maedhros> you could try `sh configure`, instead of ./configure 13:52:22 <svip> Yeah, try that. 13:52:43 <YOYO-NL> @swip well it works i can read write ect only from the oudside is a bit problemmatic 13:52:59 <svip> "w" and "v" are quite far apart on the keyboard. 13:53:09 <YOYO-NL> ah works 13:53:13 <svip> :) 13:53:26 <YOYO-NL> oops :) 13:53:27 <YOYO-NL> hehehe 13:54:47 <YOYO-NL> then again a lot of errors saying command not found 13:54:56 <YOYO-NL> but says its completed 13:55:23 <Eddi|zuHause> your system configuration is probably fishy... 13:55:30 <Maedhros> depending on what hasn't been found, the result might not be very useful... 13:55:53 <YOYO-NL> hmmm all the errors are syntax errors 13:56:25 <YOYO-NL> saying syntax means to me that there is a big chance it wont work. as the same goes for PLC's 13:56:36 <Maedhros> can you put the output on paste.openttd.org ? 13:57:48 <YOYO-NL> uhhm yes one moment 13:59:14 <YOYO-NL> done 13:59:31 <glx> paste the url :) 13:59:53 <glx> http://paste.openttd.org/203 14:00:17 <glx> ok do you have gcc installed? 14:00:18 <YOYO-NL> srry (A) 14:00:32 <glx> gcc --version 14:01:04 <YOYO-NL> bash: gcc: cmd not found 14:01:08 <YOYO-NL> meanss no 14:01:17 <glx> you need to install it 14:01:21 <glx> it's the compiler 14:01:28 <YOYO-NL> makes sense 14:05:10 <YOYO-NL> ok when she is done retry that cmd? 14:11:24 <YOYO-NL> k errors have been cleared 14:11:48 <ln-> are you root? 14:12:16 <YOYO-NL> yup 14:12:19 <ln-> don't be 14:12:52 <YOYO-NL> k whats the reason for that? 14:12:56 <YOYO-NL> would like to know :) 14:13:23 <Maedhros> it makes it far too easy to accidentally destroy your system 14:14:34 <YOYO-NL> k so the lesson of the day when you make a compile never do that again as root right? 14:14:58 <Maedhros> not just that; don't log in as root unless you really need to 14:15:18 <YOYO-NL> k 14:16:01 <YOYO-NL> but for the next step root is needed right>? 14:16:18 <ln-> depends what is your next step 14:16:32 <YOYO-NL> according to the wikki use make cmd 14:16:49 <ln-> "make" doesn't need rootness either. 14:17:08 <YOYO-NL> k then i move out root 14:17:41 <ln-> before you do, do a "chmod -R youraccount openttdDir" 14:17:46 <ln-> sorry 14:17:50 <ln-> chown 14:17:55 <ln-> instead of chmod 14:18:26 <YOYO-NL> this makes youraccount the owner of openttdDir 14:18:39 <ln-> yes... 14:18:48 <ln-> although.. if you're still on NTFS, i don't know what happens. 14:18:57 <YOYO-NL> hmmm 14:21:22 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip79.cab15.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 14:21:31 <YOYO-NL> k sh make ends in cannot execute binary file 14:22:34 <YOYO-NL> nvm make seems to be 14:22:39 <YOYO-NL> the sollution 14:22:47 <YOYO-NL> but again returns errors 14:22:55 <YOYO-NL> Permisson Denied 14:23:54 <Maedhros> your user doesn't have the permissions to write to the current directory, presumably 14:24:25 <YOYO-NL> hmmm strange so root is the only one who can 14:31:52 *** OJ [Oliver@psynegy.com] has left #openttd [] 14:34:32 <YOYO-NL> both root and normal user are giving Permission Denied 14:34:53 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip79.cab15.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:41:52 <YOYO-NL> why is it all denied :S doenst make sense all permission set to 777 to test it but still no response 14:42:26 <glx> ntfs is not the best filesystem for linux 14:43:54 <YOYO-NL> i know 14:44:05 <Priski> i heard that on linux you should not write to NTFS filesystem since it propably cause broblems 14:44:14 <YOYO-NL> but the disk contains things i cant trow away 14:44:29 <YOYO-NL> well a set of programmers is working on it 14:44:30 <Priski> well convert to FAT-32 somehow? 14:44:42 <YOYO-NL> and they have come a far way but still its buggy 14:45:11 <YOYO-NL> hmmm is that possibel? as far as i know when you change file type it resets youre disk losing all data 14:46:11 <Maedhros> fat32 doesn't support permissions at all 14:46:28 <ln-> Priski: there's a safe NTFS implementation nowadays. 14:46:29 <Maedhros> so apart from the fact that reading and writing is well supported, it's even worse than ntfs 14:47:07 <ln-> YOYO-NL: buy a cheap 1 GB usb stick and format it as ext3. 14:47:07 <Priski> ln-, there is? thats good. 14:47:26 <ln-> YOYO-NL: if you cannot format your hard disk partitions. 14:48:07 <YOYO-NL> hmmm 14:48:25 <YOYO-NL> well it needs to offer support to 125 GB of music (A) 14:48:34 <Maedhros> ln-: i though ext3 was a bad idea for flash disks? 14:48:40 <YOYO-NL> not a single HD in my network has even close to that capacity 14:48:47 <hylje> journaling is bad for flash disks 14:49:14 <hylje> YOYO-NL: i suggest resizing the ntfs partition to be just enough for the priceless data you have there, and use the rest of the space for the real stuff 14:49:21 <hylje> *OR* get a new disk 14:50:19 <YOYO-NL> hmmm 14:50:26 <ln-> Maedhros: could be, but shouldn't be a big loss on a 10⬠stick. 14:51:43 <YOYO-NL> so basicly you will need to lose all the data and then reform the disk and put it back.... will that work without loss of save capacity... i know win aint verry pleased when you change back to FAT 32 14:54:33 <hylje> generally you dont need to reformat for resizing 14:58:55 * YOYO-NL thinks that permissions that came with the mounting arnt correct 15:01:31 *** Farden [jk3farden@81.56.247.196] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 15:01:33 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7E3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 15:02:32 *** Farden [jk3farden@81.56.247.196] has joined #openttd 15:02:51 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6EF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:07:41 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-105-165.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:09:57 <YOYO-NL> ah well solved the external approach problem 15:10:39 <YOYO-NL> but not the make 15:11:46 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 15:14:34 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-165-021.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:14:51 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 15:15:10 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B60E7C.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 15:16:38 *** svip_ [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:16:39 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: glx * r10952 /branches/0.5/ (7 files in 4 dirs): 15:17:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r10877, r10890, r10892, r10942, r10948): 15:17:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Some isocodes were wrong (r10877) 15:17:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Removing road with the road removal tool would also work with a negative bank account, making the bank account even more negative than it was [FS#1125] (r10890) 15:17:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Trains would not get flooded when they are at the lower part of a tile that would become a coast tile after flooding [FS#1127] (r10892) 15:17:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Make the AI not crash when it has ships as the AI does not support them [FS#1133] (r10942) 15:17:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Add: [Windows] crash.dmp support for MSVC release builds (r10948) 15:19:30 <alex_> why can i tunnel under water? :D 15:19:39 <alex_> cant* 15:21:53 <Maedhros> because sea level is the lowest level currently possible 15:22:18 <alex_> why? 15:22:23 <alex_> can it be hacked? 15:22:40 *** svip_ [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:55 *** svip_ [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:23:43 <Maedhros> someone was working on a patch at one point 15:23:45 <Belugas> boekabart has started to work on that. Don't kow how far he has gone, but i feel he was quite close 15:24:12 <Belugas> and, no, a hack is not an option 15:24:17 <Belugas> do it right, or not at all 15:24:27 <Belugas> and it wold not be a small hack, by the way 15:24:55 <Phazorx> will it be different level of water where applicable or alltegether higher? 15:25:15 <alex_> make water = level 0 15:25:21 <alex_> underground -1 ++ 15:25:27 <alex_> overground 1++ 15:26:51 <Maedhros> sounds so easy 15:27:02 <Maedhros> but don't you think there might be a reason it hasn't been done yet? ;) 15:27:02 <SmatZ> Phazorx: it was change of sea level on whole map 15:27:39 <Phazorx> SmatZ: and it will be posisble to dry out some areas to be able to dig tunnel entrances? 15:32:15 <Belugas> there is a forum topic on that. 15:32:34 <Belugas> don't have the url of it, you can dig it up, if you wisj 15:32:44 <Belugas> i odn't have time for that right now anyway 15:32:49 <simon444> because people are stooopid 15:32:56 <SmatZ> Phazorx: I dont know, this is in the forum http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=31576 15:33:01 <simon444> like jezus 15:33:12 <simon444> jeeeezzzus 15:36:10 *** nckomodo [nck_TEST@64-246-97-239.lemoyne1.pppoe.amplex.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:36:10 *** nckomodo [nck_TEST@64-246-97-239.lemoyne1.pppoe.amplex.net] has joined #openttd 15:39:58 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*simon@*.dyn.iinet.net.au] by peter1138 15:39:58 *** simon444 was kicked from #openttd by peter1138 [simon444] 15:43:39 *** svip__ [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:43:39 *** svip_ [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59:42 *** Tino|Home is now known as Tino 15:59:44 *** Tino is now known as TinoM 16:17:54 *** svip__ is now known as svip 16:26:00 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: Dinner time! :9] 16:28:52 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B0757C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:32:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host98-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:33:00 <Wolf01> hello 16:33:57 <hylje> http://www.supermagnete.de/eng/magnets.php?group=blocks_big 16:34:01 <hylje> i wanna a DEATH MAGNET 16:36:32 <Prof_Frink> hylje: I'd get two if I were you 16:36:44 <hylje> how the fuck am i supposed to separate them? 16:37:00 <Prof_Frink> You don't stick them together in the first place 16:37:06 <hylje> fine 16:37:12 <Prof_Frink> You need to leave space for the rails 16:37:24 <hylje> hmm 16:37:30 <hylje> how many of them would i need for a passive maglev 16:37:41 <Prof_Frink> No, not a maglev 16:37:51 <Prof_Frink> Railgun. 16:38:07 <hylje> railgun's maglev which just happens to crash every time 16:39:09 <Prof_Frink> Well no, maglevs tend to work like a coilgun 16:39:13 <hylje> fine 16:43:16 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-39-155.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 16:51:19 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-39-155.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:27 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:58:32 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*simon@*.dyn.iinet.net.au] by peter1138 17:12:06 <Prof_Frink> What'd you do that for peter1138? 17:12:23 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:18 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:20:16 <svip> peter1138 has gotten sweet on Australians, Prof_Frink. 17:22:09 *** nckomodo [nck_TEST@64-246-97-239.lemoyne1.pppoe.amplex.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:23:25 *** nckomodo [nck_TEST@64-246-97-239.lemoyne1.pppoe.amplex.net] has joined #openttd 17:25:04 <Noldo> ARGH! 17:31:22 *** marc-andre [~marc-andr@84.4.120.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:51 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6EF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 17:35:35 <Noldo> It took me a while to find out why my changes to CommandCost and related stuff affects drawing of strings with money values 17:37:01 <Noldo> now I finally found out that CommandCost is used for multiplying the value with the currency rate 17:40:17 <Maedhros> no, the conversion between currencies is done in the string drawing code 17:41:30 <Noldo> it is 17:41:39 <Noldo> but CommandCost object is used there 17:42:37 <Maedhros> hmm, ok 17:43:38 <Noldo> the CommandCost::MultiplyCost just happens to have overflow protection 17:45:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CE95.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49:16 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0FAE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:52:23 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 17:52:49 *** alex__ [~email@78.86.117.217] has joined #openttd 17:53:04 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0E248.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:06:00 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:10:18 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0FAE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:10:27 *** Dephenom [~paul@81-178-15-211.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:10:51 *** Dephenom [~paul@81-178-15-211.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 18:12:17 <Noldo> hey are the currency rates floating points? 18:13:02 <Belugas> nope 18:13:07 <Noldo> good 18:13:40 <hylje> one euro is 1.4444433333 dollars 18:14:35 <Belugas> Noldo was (as i am sure) talking of the handling of curencies in OTTD, hylje :P 18:15:00 <hylje> i was remarking at the relative inaccuracies of floats 18:15:25 *** Zuu [Zuu__@c-a3c5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:17:16 <Belugas> ha :) ok 18:17:35 <Noldo> I still don't quite get why this gets broken 18:17:38 <Zuu> TrueBrain: I'm trying to bring Clueless (my AI) up to current version of NoAI branch when I found that some company related functions now take company index as paramater but GetLoanAmount does not. To me that seams like a minor mistake. Or am I wrong? 18:17:55 <Zuu> Ref document: http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/aidocs/classAICompany.html 18:18:55 <Noldo> but maybe I will be able to convince Rubidium that there is a better way 18:21:16 * Belugas wonders when would the currencies will be big enough to never cause problems anymore... looks like never 18:23:45 <Mark> got a small question 18:24:10 <Mark> seems i pressed some "key combination" that changed my screen resolution 18:24:22 <Mark> probably was alt+enter, but i cant get it back 18:24:50 <Bjarni> alt+enter should switch between window and full screen mode 18:25:19 <Mark> i already had window mode, but it somehow zoomed in or something 18:25:42 <Mark> it didnt actualy change the resolution, just looks like i can only see the middle part of the screen now 18:26:03 <Maedhros> control+d, maybe? 18:26:16 <Mark> nope.. 18:26:24 <Mark> oh 18:26:27 <Mark> it did 18:26:29 <Mark> thanks alot 18:26:49 <Maedhros> no problem :) 18:28:15 <Ammlller> Is it possible to reset a password of a company? 18:28:43 <Noldo> :DD 18:28:45 <Ammlller> (with rcon) 18:28:47 <Noldo> found it 18:29:21 <peter1138> yes 18:29:34 <peter1138> save game then load game, heh 18:29:52 <Ammlller> only possiblity? 18:30:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CE95.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:31:46 <Noldo> Construction CommandCost with just Money value actually not call CommandCost(Money cst) contructor, but CommandCost(StringID str) instead 18:32:36 <Noldo> there must be something wrong with my keyboard again as there are words missing from that 18:41:02 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489FCC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:41:05 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 18:45:46 <Noldo> plaah, now I remembered that I removed the Money Contructor because I thought it was not needed 18:48:04 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489B9A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:00:58 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 19:01:44 *** ln- [lauri@ksenos.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:01:46 *** ln- [lauri@ksenos.fi] has joined #openttd 19:04:27 *** Ailure [Ailure@194.47.44.201] has joined #openttd 19:06:33 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6764.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:23 <svip> What source file controls the top panel? 19:12:10 <glx> main toolbar? 19:12:38 <svip> Ah, that's its name? Thanks. 19:12:56 <glx> should be in main_gui.cpp 19:15:20 <svip> What is the menu called, where you can configure the patches, etc., the one on the right of the "floppy disk"? 19:15:40 <blathijs> svip: What are you looking for? 19:16:04 <svip> I want to add an item to the Options button. 19:17:00 <svip> Just like the transparent buildings item. 19:17:25 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:22:38 *** qfh [~qfh@static-ip-62-75-161-163.inaddr.intergenia.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:22:48 *** qfh [~qfh@static-ip-62-75-161-163.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #openttd 19:22:58 *** YOYO-NL [~MSN@ip51cc9a76.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: Gaat weer verder met leven. :)] 19:24:44 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7E3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:27:32 <svip> blathijs, where is the file that store the "list" of items in the Options menu? 19:29:44 <Bjarni> you mean options or patches? 19:30:13 <ln-> "patches"... 19:30:14 <svip> Options. 19:30:20 <ln-> CAN'T IT BE CHANGED TO SOMETHING ELSE? 19:30:42 <Bjarni> that's another really good question 19:30:44 <blathijs> svip: You want to add a menu item, not really an option then 19:30:56 <blathijs> Not sure where that is defined, somewhere in main_gui I suppose 19:31:05 <svip> But I don't want another button on the top-toolbar. 19:31:18 *** Nickman [~nn@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:31:22 <blathijs> yeah, a menu item, not a new menu 19:31:36 <blathijs> or a submenu item, if you like :-) 19:31:38 <svip> Isn't that what I said? O_o 19:31:47 <Nickman> hi all ;) 19:32:06 <blathijs> svip: Yeah, it is, I was trying to clarify what you meant 19:32:10 <svip> blathijs, having an item below "Transparent signs". 19:32:11 <blathijs> and failed :-) 19:32:19 <svip> That would be the best deal. 19:32:34 <Bjarni> hi Nickman 19:32:53 *** Ailure [Ailure@194.47.44.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:34:22 *** Farden [jk3farden@81.56.247.196] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 19:34:30 <Bjarni> ln-: so since you disagree with the name "patches", can you think of something better? 19:35:01 <svip> What about "awesome thingies"? 19:35:06 *** Farden [jk3farden@81.56.247.196] has joined #openttd 19:39:23 <Bjarni> but they aren't :/ 19:39:47 <Maedhros> svip: i'd try looking up the string in lang/english.txt, finding out the corresponding StringID, and search for that 19:39:59 <blathijs> Maedhros: Clever :-) 19:40:00 *** Farden [jk3farden@81.56.247.196] has quit [] 19:40:48 <Nickman> Is TrueBrain here? 19:41:11 <Zuu> I don't think so, but I could be wrong. 19:41:15 <Bjarni> <svip> What about "awesome thingies"? <-- how about "do not press this button".... then only awesome people would use this feature :P 19:41:58 <ln-> Bjarni: let's see... "Additional game settings", "Advanced game settings", "Advanced [game] options", "Things that really ought to be on by default", "Some stuff" 19:44:17 <Zuu> Nickman: How goes your AI? 19:45:05 <Nickman> havn't worked on it since about 2 days? :D 19:45:34 <hylje> plotting against the users again? 19:45:48 <ln-> yes, "Advanced game options" is a lot better than "Configure patches" 19:45:51 <Nickman> I'll be posting my AI when my pathfinder is implemented like it should and it makes a little progress :D 19:46:09 <Zuu> I haven't worked on mine since 4 months except an hour now, porting it to a recent revision of NoAI-branch. :) 19:46:28 <Nickman> what does it do, your AI? 19:46:34 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:46:50 <Zuu> Build bus connections between two cities. 19:47:04 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6764.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 19:47:06 <Nickman> ah, mine does to :D 19:47:10 <Prof_Frink> ln-: Better would be to add game options and difficulty settings as tabs on the configure patches window and call that "options" 19:47:13 <Nickman> does it make the road connections to? :) 19:47:30 <ln-> Prof_Frink: that requires more than a simple rename operation. 19:48:42 <Zuu> My road builder works okay unless there is evil cities or evil industries in the way. (or if the landscape is to evil it will fail too) 19:49:40 <Zuu> You can see a shot and download it at page 5 in the AI-thread, though that is the 4 month old version. 19:50:55 <Zuu> But the road building algoritm is kinda stupid... so it is likely your is better. :) 19:51:11 <Nickman> I wouldn't call mine verry smart :D 19:51:11 *** Farden [jk3farden@81.56.247.196] has joined #openttd 19:51:12 <Nickman> very 19:51:59 <Zuu> I think it is kinda stupid if it can't go around industries... :D 19:52:02 *** hylje [hylje@c214.myrootshell.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:52:04 *** hylje [hylje@c214.myrootshell.com] has joined #openttd 19:52:34 <Zuu> But at least it have an aporite name - Clueless :p 19:53:09 <Nickman> ah, I downloaded that one a while ago ;) 19:53:17 <Nickman> took a look a the code a bit ;) 19:55:15 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@wolf.projectjj.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55:44 <ln-> any objections? 19:58:30 *** nckomodo [nck_TEST@64-246-97-239.lemoyne1.pppoe.amplex.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:46 <svip> :o 20:00:05 <svip> No, just wondering where I should put this overlay in. 20:00:06 <Zuu> Nickman: Then you know how to not do the road building PF. ;) 20:00:17 <Nickman> hehe :D 20:00:22 <Nickman> I made my very own so ;) 20:00:35 <Nickman> but it isn't perfect :) 20:01:19 *** nckomodo [nck_TEST@64-246-97-239.lemoyne1.pppoe.amplex.net] has joined #openttd 20:01:30 <ln-> Bjarni: since there are no objections, you can go ahead 20:02:15 <Bjarni> I object 20:02:34 <ln-> obj-C 20:02:39 <Bjarni> I was busy looking at git, so right now I'm not sure what you mean I should go ahead with :p 20:02:55 <ln-> Bjarni: you have the freedom to choose what you want to go ahead with 20:03:20 <ln-> but this time i was referring to renaming "Configure patches" to "Advanced game options" 20:03:36 <Bjarni> oh you decided on "Advanced game options" 20:03:44 <Bjarni> sounds reasonable 20:03:50 <Bjarni> and way better than patches :) 20:04:04 * Zuu agrees 20:04:11 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@wolf.projectjj.com] has joined #openttd 20:04:18 <Zuu> if that matter ... :p 20:05:08 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 20:10:34 <Nickman> :p 20:14:18 <svip> :/ Man. 20:14:31 <svip> I fail at putting this menu item in the Options menu. 20:17:47 <Nickman> Hmm, in the NoAI Branch when you make a Pathfinder yo u need to supply the function "FindRoute" wich returns "internal structure about how to make the route, or NULL if no route was found." 20:18:06 <Nickman> So I have to return for example an array of point to connect with straight lines or something? 20:18:17 <Nickman> (I know, I can choose...) 20:22:53 <glx> svip: add the string in english.txt after the strings of the menu and update main_gui.cpp:980 20:23:11 <svip> I did that. 20:23:22 <glx> it should show it 20:23:44 <Rubidium> Nickman: you have to return a pointer to whatever data structure you need for to be able to build the route 20:24:13 <Nickman> so that means I need to store my route in between the operations ;) 20:24:20 <Nickman> how do i return a pointer in Squirrel? :) 20:24:27 <Nickman> with the * like C++? 20:25:42 <nckomodo> hello, I was wondering if anyone had a good knowledge of both luasocket/lua and the protocol etc used in OpenTTD. I'm looking to make a script that gets the basic information for a specified server. I'm sort of a noob when it comes to network stuff (I've written an lua IRC bot and thats about it) 20:25:57 <Rubidium> Nickman: good question; I wouldn't know, maybe TrueBrain knows 20:26:14 <Zuu> Nickman: Maybe, maybe not... :) Squirrel is not like the most documented language out there. :) 20:26:21 <svip> Awesome, glx. Now it works. 20:26:45 <Nickman> glx, do you know how to return a pointer in Squirrel? :) 20:26:53 <glx> Nickman: no 20:27:02 <Nickman> hmmmm :) 20:27:03 <Nickman> damn 20:27:04 <Nickman> :p 20:27:14 <Zuu> Nickman: Have you checked the official documentation? 20:27:25 <Nickman> nope, don't even know where to find it ;) 20:27:46 <glx> squirrel-lang.org 20:27:51 <Nickman> ;) 20:27:53 <Nickman> found it :D 20:27:57 <Nickman> I'll be looking around :) 20:27:58 <Zuu> On the official website of squirrel, which requires basic google skills to find. 20:29:00 <Rubidium> nckomodo: the basic protocol for the "basic" information is described in src/network/core/udp.h. The implementation in C(++) is in src/network/core/udp.cpp line 200 and further. There is a PHP implementation that reads the data too (somewhere on the forum). But I know absolutely nothing about lua 20:29:26 <Belugas> good night guys 20:29:41 <svip> But but... it's 22:30. 20:29:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10953 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Fix [FS#1139, FS#1143]: stations would not get a rating when there were already two stations with a "more than default" rating as no cargo would be moved to the station to be picked up. 20:30:28 <Rubidium> svip: rather 17:30-ish for Belugas (or even 16:30-ish) 20:30:37 <svip> Indeed. 20:30:41 <svip> That is early to go to bed. 20:30:54 <svip> Now to draw my overlay. 20:30:56 <glx> that is not to go home ;) 20:30:59 <nckomodo> okay thanks Rubidium, I'll check it out 20:31:04 <svip> But he said "good night". 20:31:52 <glx> because you will probably not see him when you'll go to sleep 20:32:14 <Wolf01> 'night 20:32:17 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host98-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:32:18 <svip> Hm... I'll probably need some newGRF to allow for my zoning overlay. 20:33:54 <svip> But I have no idea how to write newGRF. 20:34:24 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34:30 <DaleStan> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=NewGraphicsSpecs 20:34:52 <svip> Ah, the only guy who actually replied to my topic. 20:34:55 <Rubidium> I see no reason why you need a NewGRF for your zoneing overlay 20:36:00 <Nickman> I can't seem to find the pointer thingie... 20:36:08 <DaleStan> But Rubidium's right; you can just as easily use a pure-graphics GRF, since it's going to be an Open-only thing. 20:37:16 <svip> Hm. 20:37:26 <svip> That is good though. 20:37:39 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:38:14 <svip> But should I create a new cpp for it, or modify landscape.cpp 20:40:52 <Zuu> I guess you should keep as much as possible of your functionality in seperate functions and then it don't matter that much which way you go. The functions can easily be moved to/from landscape.cpp. 20:41:21 <svip> I just need to find out where it draws the tiles. 20:42:30 <svip> And then check if zoning is on, then call the "zone-drawer" function if true for that tile, and continue onward to the next tile. 20:42:43 <svip> Should be simple enough. 20:46:20 *** KageDragon [~a@69-17-144-254.kingkom.com] has joined #openttd 20:46:45 <KageDragon> Hello 20:47:59 <Zuu> Hello 20:48:20 <KageDragon> Quick question, in WindowDesc, what is the diff between minimum width\height, and default width\height? 20:48:50 <Zuu> I would guess that minimum width/heigth set the minumum size of the window. 20:49:04 <Zuu> While default width/heigth would set the default size. 20:49:33 <Zuu> Just as it works in Delphi :) 20:50:04 <Maedhros> KageDragon: some windows can be resized to smaller than the default, e.g. for things with very small screens 20:50:27 <KageDragon> Ahh, ok.... 21:05:39 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B60E7C.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [] 21:05:41 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B60E7C.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 21:14:30 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 21:27:41 *** Ailure [Ailure@194.47.44.201] has joined #openttd 21:28:08 <svip> Where is the information about each tile stored? 21:29:44 *** Stoffe [~mirc@h2n2fls308o838.telia.com] has joined #openttd 21:29:51 <Maedhros> _m[tile] and _me[tile]. but use map accessors rather than acessing them directly in code 21:30:12 <svip> Hm? 21:30:40 <svip> I am not sure I understand your suggestion. 21:31:10 <Stoffe> Does anyone know a good webhost? I don't mind paying a little for it - my current one seems to be experiencing a slow death. All I really need is php/mysql. 21:31:14 <Phazorx> Stoffe: do you care about geo location? 21:31:22 <Stoffe> Not really 21:31:26 <Phazorx> kk 21:31:46 <Stoffe> Current one is transatlantic and that works just fine anyway 21:31:47 <Maedhros> svip: what are you trying to do? 21:31:57 <svip> I am trying to make a zoning overlay. 21:32:05 <svip> I'll give you the topic, for more information. 21:32:09 <svip> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=33701 21:32:55 *** th_gergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B60E7C.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 21:32:56 <Phazorx> Stoffe: long time ago i used www.nexpoint.net they were quite decent 21:33:05 <Maedhros> i've seen the thread, but what exactly do you want to get out of the map? 21:33:23 <svip> Wither or not it is controlled by a local authority. 21:33:28 <svip> And if so, what do they think of the player. 21:33:32 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@wolf.projectjj.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:48 <svip> And then of course, if the location is controlled by someone else. 21:34:03 <svip> Or some "indestructible" building is taking up the location. 21:34:22 <Maedhros> then you need to check the tile type 21:34:45 <svip> And? 21:35:06 <svip> How do I do that... 21:35:12 <Maedhros> GetTileType(tile) 21:35:22 <svip> And a "tile" is a special type? 21:35:29 <svip> -a 21:35:30 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7E3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 21:35:42 <svip> Sorry, this is the first time I have been working the openttd source. 21:35:54 <Maedhros> well, TileIndex is just a typedef 21:35:59 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 21:36:37 <Maedhros> basically, look at docs/landscape.html :) 21:37:40 <svip> Kay. 21:40:01 <orudge> Stoffe: www.zernebok.com 21:40:43 <orudge> may be of some interest to you 21:41:18 <Stoffe> sure, thanks 21:41:28 <orudge> any questions, just /query me 21:41:32 <orudge> Zernebok hosts the forums and suchlike ;) 21:42:06 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B60E7C.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [] 21:43:40 <Ammlller> orudge: your company or do you work for it? 21:44:00 <orudge> the former 21:44:22 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@wolf.projectjj.com] has joined #openttd 21:44:30 <svip> Maedhros, how do I get that "byte-string" (forgot the correct term)? 21:44:34 <svip> With GetTileType()? 21:45:01 <svip> But I still need to get a location, right? 21:46:29 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:19 *** Zuu [Zuu__@c-a3c5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:12:59 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B0757C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:25 <svip> Maedhros? 22:25:33 <svip> And shouldn't your name be "MÊdhros"? 22:26:15 *** alex__ [~email@78.86.117.217] has quit [Quit: ircN 8.00 for mIRC (20070730)] 22:27:05 <glx> svip: try to write it with an english keyboard 22:27:23 <svip> :( I don't have any. 22:27:30 <Maedhros> svip: you need to know what tile you're highlighting anyway 22:27:37 <Maedhros> and i only have english keyboards ;) 22:27:41 <svip> :o 22:27:43 <svip> You have us intl? 22:27:48 <Maedhros> no, gb 22:28:03 <svip> :/ Pity. 22:28:16 <svip> As you can see, Maedhros; http://sviip.dk/keymaps/ 22:28:34 <svip> Wait, try Alt Gr + a, Maedhros. 22:29:36 <svip> I am not sure what would be wisest, Maedhros. 22:29:48 <svip> Does OpenTTD "draw" the whole map at once? 22:29:52 <svip> And just move around over it? 22:30:02 <svip> Or does it get "refreshed"? 22:30:12 * Maedhros wonders what on earth just happened to his X session 22:30:37 <Maedhros> only the part of the map that you can see is drawn 22:30:53 <glx> svip: it is wrong for AZERTY 22:31:22 <svip> Hm. 22:31:31 <glx> or maybe it's windows :) 22:31:34 <svip> And does it loop through all the tiles doing this progress, Maedhros? 22:31:58 <Maedhros> yes 22:32:07 <Maedhros> and calls DrawTile_<tile type> 22:32:28 <Maedhros> in fact, no. it doesn't loop through all the tiles 22:32:29 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 22:32:56 <Maedhros> just the ones in a viewport somewhere (not just the main screen, also the train windows etc) 22:33:19 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip79.cab15.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 22:33:28 <svip> Hm. 22:33:46 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip79.cab15.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 22:35:41 <svip> Hm, Maedhros, where is this? 22:35:48 <Maedhros> viewport.cpp 22:36:02 <svip> I figured as much. 22:36:06 <Maedhros> but if you can follow all of it, you're doing better than i am ;) 22:37:22 *** Farden [jk3farden@81.56.247.196] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 22:37:53 <svip> ViewportDoDraw? 22:40:31 *** Tobin [~tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:40:43 <Maedhros> yup 22:40:53 <Maedhros> time i was asleep though 22:40:55 <Maedhros> good night 22:41:26 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:48:08 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:54:33 <Bjarni> svip: cool page about keymaps, but it didn't answer what I have been wondering. What does Asian keyboards look like? :) 22:54:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CE95.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:45 <Bjarni> I mean, I don't think they have 2000 keys 22:54:52 <svip> Nah. 22:54:56 <svip> They use Latin keyboards. 22:55:01 <svip> Then type the names of their charcaters. 22:55:04 <svip> characters* 22:55:14 <glx> and they select the result 22:56:45 <Bjarni> sounds like a nasty solution 22:56:55 <Bjarni> but in lack of better solutions... 22:57:28 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 22:59:37 <svip> Is there a struct for cities, Bjarni? 23:01:37 <Bjarni> errr 23:01:45 <Bjarni> that's a very good question 23:01:48 <svip> Towns, local authorities. 23:01:49 <glx> Town 23:01:52 <svip> Something I can refer to. 23:02:13 <glx> but I don't remember what is in it 23:02:32 *** Dark_Link^ is now known as Dark_Link^sleep 23:02:40 <Bjarni> there is a town struct called Town.... or so I'm told ;) 23:03:22 <Bjarni> but it would be odd not to have any way of storing town info. I presume it contains stuff like a name pointer and stuff like that 23:03:50 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-250-177.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:05:05 <Bjarni> goodnight 23:05:15 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a3c.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:33 <Nickman> goodnight all 23:21:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: richk * r10954 /branches/NewGRF_ports/bin/data/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [NewGRF_ports] -Change: New minipic pictures for seaplaneport and San Francisco. Many thanks to MeusH for the conversions. 23:31:37 *** Nickman [~nn@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 23:39:46 *** th_gergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B60E7C.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [] 23:39:50 *** Tobin [~tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 23:50:39 *** phryx [~phryx@c-ada5e355.1811-6-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:56:41 *** phryx [~phryx@c-ada5e355.1811-6-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd