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00:00:15 <fjb> No, that is no bug in OpenTTD. It is a problem how road vehicles work in TTD. 00:00:18 <Bjarni> if you are lucky then you will gain an awesome new feature 00:00:25 <Bjarni> but odds are that it will not work 00:00:31 <fjb> No, I think I knew what I did. 00:00:46 <fjb> Some thinks I did wrong first. :-) 00:01:23 <fjb> The dutch tram set and long vehicles 4 have somne problems with each other. 00:02:38 <fjb> LV4 sets a multiplier for all costs. The trams get very expensiv. Some of the trams an some truck from LV4 are using the same vehicle id. 00:03:31 <Eddi|zuHause> complete vehicle sets were never meant to be compatible with each other... 00:04:04 <fjb> I made a patch for the nfo file of the tram set. The pacht divides all costs by the value George uses in his LV4 and I moved some trams to other ids. 00:04:42 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: I don't mind. I just did an awfull hack to make them compatible. :-) 00:04:48 <Ammlller> yeah, Foobar said, he will make his set compatible with 4lv 00:05:36 <fjb> I didn't want to wait that long. So I read a bit of the nfo documentation and got some hints from Dale Stan. 00:05:59 <fjb> The trams are just too cute. I had to have them in the game. :-) 00:06:33 <fjb> Now some people bug me to release the modified grf, but the licence forbids that. 00:06:49 <Ammlller> just pm it 00:07:09 <Ammlller> or ask foobar 00:07:32 <Ammlller> I guess he would give you the permission until he has its own fix 00:08:12 <fjb> Somebody in the german forum wantedt to change the grf. I told him what I had done and I released the diff of the nfo file. And I wrote a description how to patch the grf-. But the guy doesn't understand how to do it... 00:08:37 <fjb> Pm ist kind of release, I guess. 00:09:09 <Ammlller> hmm, distribute with grf and readme is allowed I thing 00:09:17 <fjb> The funny thing is that the guy had the plan to manipulte the grf. And now he is unable to use the ready made kit. :-) 00:09:35 <Ammlller> including it in the pack like #openttdcoop pack isn't 00:09:46 <Ammlller> thats what I have done :) 00:10:06 <Ammlller> but he gave me permission today... 00:10:33 <fjb> The licence states: 00:10:33 <fjb> This new grapics set is delivered 'as is' and comes without warranty of any kind. 00:10:33 <fjb> This new grapics set is intended for personal use and may not be used for commercial purposes. 00:10:35 <fjb> Use of (parts of) this new graphics set in other graphics sets is not allowed without prior written permission of the authors. 00:10:37 <fjb> Third party distribution of this new graphics set is restricted to redistribution of the original package containing (and only containing) unmodified versions of dutrmsxx.grf, DutchTramSetW_rxx.grf and README.txt (this file). 00:10:39 <fjb> Distribution in GRF Packages is not allowed without prior written permission of the authors. 00:11:13 <Ammlller> a 2. last 00:11:27 <fjb> Only the distribution of the unmodified grf is allowed. 00:11:43 <Ammlller> ok 00:12:16 <Ammlller> did he comment your patch? 00:12:18 <fjb> I can only release the diff and tell the people how to aply that. And that is really easy. 00:12:33 <fjb> No, didn't say anything about it. 00:12:45 <Ammlller> but you could make the diff that it is useable with or without 4lv 00:12:52 <fjb> But he must know about it. He wrote in both treads. 00:13:20 <fjb> I could if I could. :-) 00:13:37 <fjb> I just started to read the nfo documnetation yesterday. 00:13:37 <Ammlller> imo, you can just add all your new lines to the end 00:14:08 <fjb> I even don't know how to if LV4 is loaded yet. 00:14:19 <Ammlller> and then make a break if 4lv not loaded 00:14:25 <Ammlller> action 7 00:14:32 <fjb> I only don't know if it is possible to move the ids or change the costs based on that. 00:15:06 <fjb> I have toread more of the documentation. 00:15:10 <Ammlller> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action7 00:15:30 <fjb> I had some funny bugs yesterday. A tram pulling a truck trailer. :-) 00:16:02 <fjb> I will enhace the patch the next days. 00:16:17 <Ammlller> fjb: http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/Nothing.grf 00:16:27 <fjb> It initially was just intended for me to have both sets in the game. :-) 00:16:47 <Ammlller> nothing2.grf checkes if nothing.grf is loaded 00:17:54 <fjb> Funny. 00:18:05 <fjb> Ok. 00:18:13 <Ammlller> :) 00:19:28 <fjb> I should learn nfo aniway. 00:20:23 <Ammlller> fjb: grf2html is also helpful 00:20:55 <fjb> I didn't get it to compile with Free Pascal yet. 00:21:09 <Ammlller> ah yeah, I recall 00:21:48 <Ammlller> I have made HTML pages of all GRFs in the pack, if you are interested 00:21:48 <fjb> Why do people always use strange things like Delphy or C++? :-) 00:22:14 <fjb> Tat would really be interesting. 00:22:27 <Eddi|zuHause> use brainfuck? :p 00:22:43 <fjb> Oh no... 00:23:44 <fjb> Everybody chases buffer overflows an segmantation faults. They would not happen with modern programming tools. 00:24:30 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.93.98] has joined #openttd 00:24:36 <Ammlller> But then we had still to play with 256 map 00:24:57 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@82.152.205.117] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:24:57 <fjb> Why that? 00:25:20 <Ammlller> they use much more resources 00:25:22 <Ammlller> ? 00:25:35 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@82.152.205.117] has joined #openttd 00:27:19 <fjb> Not much. 00:27:52 <fjb> They will never loose a pointer, so they will never loose some memory. 00:28:33 <fjb> Try it with C. Make a loop, allocate memory and never free it. :-) 00:28:50 <fjb> Try to do that with Eiffel. :-) :-) 00:29:32 *** Ammlller is now known as I 00:30:32 *** I is now known as II 00:30:50 *** II is now known as III 00:31:06 <fjb> 1, 2, 3,... :-) 00:31:07 *** bluebear [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db37e34.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:31:12 *** III is now known as Ammler 00:32:06 <Ammler> I & II have been registered 00:32:12 <Ammler> but III is mine 00:32:28 <fjb> :-) 00:33:15 <Ammler> hmm 00:33:49 *** Ammler is now known as l 00:34:08 <fjb> People don't like diffs... 00:34:20 *** l is now known as | 00:34:58 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB6961.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 00:35:01 *** | is now known as ] 00:35:34 *** Eddi|zuHause is now known as NuHoerAberMalAufMitDemBloedsin 00:35:40 <fjb> Action 6 looks usefull. 00:35:41 <]> How do you mean? 00:35:48 *** NuHoerAberMalAufMitDemBloedsin is now known as Eddi|zuHause 00:35:49 *** ] is now known as Ammler 00:36:02 <Ammler> ok :) 00:36:10 <Eddi|zuHause> one letter short :p 00:36:15 <Ammler> ist fÃŒr den Gamerserver 00:36:16 <fjb> Nobody did a download of my errorfree patch. 00:36:38 <Ammler> fjb: das habe ich gesehen, das werde ich bestimmt ausprobieren 00:36:59 <Ammler> wenn du bis dahin noch keine "unabhÀngige" version gemacht hast :) 00:37:55 <Eddi|zuHause> this is still an english channel... 00:38:07 <Ammler> oh sry 00:38:11 <fjb> I knew somebody would say that. :-) 00:38:30 <Ammler> was on a german channel... 00:38:33 <fjb> I will work on a better version, but that will last some days. 00:38:48 <fjb> or take some days 00:39:02 <Ammler> but is nice, it was a german speaker who said it... 00:39:51 <Ammler> same on coop, sometimes we are 3-4 germans and speak english 00:40:42 <Ammler> thats why I like to fix the english flag 00:41:26 <fjb> At least germans understand my german kind of english. :-) 00:41:34 *** Hendikins is now known as Hendikins|Work 00:42:29 <Ammler> in Australia is morning... 00:42:50 <Ammler> they already began to work... 00:43:14 <fjb> I didn't even begin to slepp. 00:44:06 * AntB wonders what sleep is 00:44:19 <fjb> Ants never sleep. :-) 00:44:27 <AntB> :P 00:45:35 <fjb> Does everybody write nfo files by hand? 00:47:21 <AntB> no idea 00:49:06 <fjb> I always wondered why it takes that long to enhace a grf. Now I know... 00:49:23 <Ammler> fjb: mostly but with help of makefiles 00:49:56 <Ammler> and maybe GRFMaker 00:49:57 * AntB has never used a makefile (i think) 00:50:21 <Ammler> hmm, me too 00:50:25 <AntB> all i got is Notepad2, GRF Codec and NFO Renum 00:50:29 <fjb> Hm, better use m4. :-) 00:50:54 <AntB> NFO Renum not being as much help as i expected... but maybe thats due to my not knowing GRF too well 00:51:18 <Ammler> Madhros published his dev pack for industrie Stations, maybe that shows you, how they do that... 00:51:39 <fjb> Oh, where did he publish it? 00:51:48 <Ammler> in the thread 00:52:23 <Ammler> its one of the top threads in graphic atm 00:53:51 <Bjarni> Ammler: please post that savegame as a bug report 00:54:58 <Ammler> oh, yeah I will 00:56:00 <Bjarni> lol, I just got an email with a subject about president Bush's visit to California... when I opened it (I really wondered what this was about) it was a standard viagra salesspeech 00:56:22 <Bjarni> now they are using Bush to sell viagra... how low can you go? :D 00:56:37 <AntB> lol 00:57:08 <fjb> :-) 00:57:39 <fjb> Who reads things about Bush? :-) 00:57:52 <fjb> Ammler: This thread? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=27112&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=300 00:59:19 <Bjarni> <fjb> Who reads things about Bush? :-) <-- some people voted for him. You know if just 5% of the people who voted for him might buy this based on this mail, then they will see to a few people for every 1000 mails they send 00:59:29 <Bjarni> which is fairly good for spam mail 00:59:51 <Bjarni> remember that they don't expect many people to reply to those mails 01:00:38 <fjb> I know... Thats why they make big money even if less than one percent of the people buy it. 01:01:11 <Bjarni> it's crazy that anybody will buy what they sell 01:01:29 <Bjarni> there is a bash quote about a mail that sells penis enlargement pills for dogs 01:01:34 <Bjarni> wtf 01:01:41 <fjb> :-) 01:01:43 <AntB> lmao! 01:01:58 <AntB> these guys will do anything for money :D 01:02:43 <Bjarni> I like the one I once got about radiation protection pills 01:02:59 <AntB> ok... XD 01:03:00 <fjb> The TTD world looks to be a very dangerous place. Every town builds a prison... 01:03:10 <Bjarni> according to that mail, the risk of a nuclear accident is extreme but the government is hiding that fact 01:03:18 <fjb> Hey, I want that funny spam too. :-) 01:03:39 <Bjarni> and if it happens then everybody who didn't eat those pills will die 01:03:55 <fjb> I only get the borng things. Or chinese spam... 01:04:19 <Bjarni> I get those too 01:04:51 <Bjarni> in fact my homemade spam filter catches more than 100 spam mails every single day 01:04:56 <fjb> Maybe I should learn chinese. So I know if the chinese spam is more funny. 01:05:17 <fjb> Thats a usual number. 01:05:22 <Bjarni> are you sure it's Chinese? 01:06:28 <Bjarni> can you prove that it isn't Japanese or Vietnamese? 01:06:37 <Bjarni> or something else like that 01:08:02 <fjb> Hm, looks chinese. 01:08:17 <AntB> Mandarin or Cantonese? :P 01:08:37 <fjb> Japanese contains a bigger amout of simplified characters. 01:11:10 <Ammler> Bjarni: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1376 01:12:25 <fjb> I's nice to have a heliport next to my head quarter. So I can fly home later. :-9 01:12:29 <Ammler> fjb: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=629337#p629337 01:13:31 <Ammler> Bjarni: you can also load the save without dutchset, include it and wait 01:13:38 <Ammler> it will happen 01:13:52 <Ammler> and without it runs nice... 01:16:50 *** |fjb| [~frank@W81d5.w.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 01:17:27 <|fjb|> Ammler: Thank you. I feel like being in the stone age of computer programming... 01:17:38 *** Thiniad [~Thiniad@dh207-20-124.xnet.hr] has joined #openttd 01:17:41 <Ammler> :) 01:18:30 <Ammler> I hope they will have public release of GRFMaker soon 01:19:09 <|fjb|> GRFMaker look like Windows only. 01:19:22 <Ammler> hmm, wine :) 01:19:33 <|fjb|> Wine hates me. :-( 01:22:16 <|fjb|> It always complains about missing libraries. 01:22:52 <DaleStan> Wine and I have an agreement. I won't drink it, and it won't give me a hangover. 01:23:07 *** fjb [~frank@W8c3b.w.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:23:26 <Ammler> :) 01:23:31 <|fjb|> :-) 01:23:53 <|fjb|> DaleStan: Thak your for your help with grfcodec. 01:24:07 <DaleStan> You're welcome. Sorry about the bug. 01:24:27 <Ammler> DaleStan: possible that a GRF can make a secmentation fault? 01:24:59 <Ammler> I have a save where I can include Dutch Tram an after about 30 sec the game crahes... 01:25:31 <|fjb|> The version from svn works great. 01:25:41 <|fjb|> Now I have to learn more nfo. 01:26:30 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@82.152.205.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:26:37 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-134-139.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 01:26:44 <DaleStan> Ammler: As far as I'm concerned, any crash is a bug, and should be reported. 01:26:56 <Ammler> its already 01:27:08 <|fjb|> The funny thing about Ammler's problem ist, that the suspicious vehicle number doesn't get accessed by the tram set grf. 01:28:37 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@91.84.73.129] has joined #openttd 01:29:02 *** |fjb| is now known as fjb 01:30:29 <Ammler> good night all 01:30:52 <fjb> Ammler: good night 01:30:55 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7799D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:33:37 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-200-35.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:37:42 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74B39.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:45:56 *** Thiniad [~Thiniad@dh207-20-124.xnet.hr] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 01:46:12 <Bjarni> goodnight 01:46:22 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:48:18 *** Polleke [Polleke@mar065.athome225.wau.nl] has quit [] 02:08:13 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:11:52 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B78884.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:37:09 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-130-232.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:40:05 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.93.98] has quit [Quit: *poof!* I am gone -=- Using ChatZilla] 02:45:33 <DaleStan> Belugas, Maedhros: Action 7 var A1 docs still do not agree with example. Docs say "80000h is *added*". 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09:18:24 <TrueBrain> dihedral|work: doubtful 09:18:29 <dihedral|work> :-S 09:18:34 <dihedral|work> why is that? 09:18:35 <TrueBrain> the devlist was stopped long long ago 09:18:40 <dihedral|work> great 09:18:52 <TrueBrain> most because of the amount of spam 09:18:53 <dihedral|work> bjarni told me the other day to send an email to it 09:18:59 <TrueBrain> then bjarni is an idiot 09:19:04 <dihedral|work> lol 09:19:05 <TrueBrain> that shouldn't come as a suprise :p 09:19:10 <dihedral|work> lol 09:19:18 <TrueBrain> (kidding :)) 09:19:24 *** bluebear__ [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db3017f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 09:19:27 <dihedral|work> he also said that it had been very quite for some time :-D 09:19:37 <TrueBrain> yeah, as I made it a /dev/null 09:19:43 <dihedral|work> lol 09:19:48 <dihedral|work> dev-null@... 09:20:00 <dihedral|work> well 09:20:17 <dihedral|work> we were wondering if you could cname worldwide.openttd.org :-D 09:20:33 <dihedral|work> "you" (the dev's) 09:21:00 <TrueBrain> email me (truelight@) with a GOOD reasoning why that should be done 09:21:07 <TrueBrain> CNames btw are totally out of the question 09:21:18 <dihedral|work> why? 09:21:26 <TrueBrain> (okay, those 2 lines are confusing :p) 09:21:33 <TrueBrain> we want quality control over openttd.org subdomains 09:21:38 <dihedral|work> ah 09:21:39 <dihedral|work> ok 09:21:41 <TrueBrain> so long ago we said: no redirects, no cnames 09:21:43 <dihedral|work> makes sense 09:21:58 <dihedral|work> 100% understand that :-P 09:21:59 <TrueBrain> say we do that, you dislike us, you put on it: YOU SUCK! :p 09:22:16 <TrueBrain> nah, that was a joke :) The problem is, the questions people have 09:22:22 <dihedral|work> TrueBrain: we would never :-) you should at least know that by now 09:22:25 <TrueBrain> currently we control ALL subdomains :) 09:22:31 <dihedral|work> yes 09:22:32 <TrueBrain> I do, as said, was a joke ;) 09:22:43 <dihedral|work> you beat me to it with that line 09:22:45 <dihedral|work> :-) 09:22:50 <Tefad_> grfs really break things 09:22:57 <Tefad_> such as.. sound? 09:23:01 <dihedral|work> nope 09:23:02 <TrueBrain> Tefad_: it also adds things 09:23:06 <TrueBrain> so I think it is a good 50-50 :) 09:23:26 <Tefad_> it makes the clang clang sounds in the title sound like really loud farts 09:23:36 <dihedral|work> lol 09:23:50 <Tefad_> yeah. i guess i'm getting the bad 50. 09:24:03 <TrueBrain> I always start openttd with -snull 09:24:10 <Tefad_> heh 09:24:12 <TrueBrain> so I truly wouldn't know how it is supposed to sound :) 09:24:22 <Tefad_> aren't you a dev 09:24:29 <TrueBrain> dunno, you tell me? 09:24:46 <Tefad_> cocks to you, sir. 09:24:55 <TrueBrain> I realyl don't know 09:25:21 <TrueBrain> anyway, Tefad_, make a bug-report out of it 09:25:21 <Tefad_> i think i remember reading your handle in the data that gets spewed by svnup.sh 09:25:24 *** phao [phao@201.19.154.218] has joined #openttd 09:25:30 <Tefad_> the problem is, i don't know what's causing it 09:25:38 <Tefad_> i'm trying out ottdc's grfpack 09:25:48 <phao> where do i get TTD ? 09:25:57 *** bluebear [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db37b4c.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:26:00 <TrueBrain> phao: www.openttd.org (who would have guessed) 09:26:01 <Tefad_> and like an idiot i'm throwing them all in there and crossing fingers with horrible luck 09:26:09 <Tefad_> well, that's where you get openttd 09:26:21 <TrueBrain> Tefad_: don't you find the sounds annoying after a short while? In general? 09:26:24 <Tefad_> though i'm sure if you look hard enough.. 09:26:25 <phao> TrueBrain i've dwonload openttd there, but when i install it asks for TTD directory. 09:26:35 <TrueBrain> phao: which, as the documents state, you need 09:26:42 <TrueBrain> to own, like buy, in a real shop 09:26:47 <Tefad_> TrueBrain: i grew up with them, they're almost comforting 09:27:04 *** boekabart [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has left #openttd [] 09:27:10 <Tefad_> however yes, the clanging and the like get annoying after some time 09:28:08 <phao> ok 09:28:08 *** phao [phao@201.19.154.218] has left #openttd [] 09:29:50 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-172-57.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 09:29:50 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 09:31:37 *** boekabar1 [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has joined #openttd 09:31:50 *** Tino|R152 [~tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32:42 <Tefad_> however yes, the clanging and the like get annoying after some time 09:32:46 <Tefad_> er. 09:32:52 <Tefad_> bad window. 09:33:27 *** bluebear__ [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db3017f.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:08 <TrueBrain> at least you make full english sentences in wrong windows 09:34:11 <TrueBrain> I always have things like: 09:34:12 <TrueBrain> ls 09:34:13 <TrueBrain> top 09:34:13 <TrueBrain> :p 09:34:16 *** boekabar1 [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has left #openttd [] 09:34:20 <Tefad_> i hit up then enter . . 09:34:42 <Tefad_> i was going for "./openttd" but that came out 09:34:53 <TrueBrain> hehe :) 09:34:57 <TrueBrain> so you are not that different ;) 09:35:02 <Tefad_> ok it's a really bitchy problem 09:35:12 <Tefad_> it seems to only happen when N grfs are loaded 09:35:19 <Tefad_> and N might be a variable 09:35:27 <Tefad_> or some combination of grfs. 09:35:41 <Tefad_> it doesn't seem to be a specific grf. 09:36:31 *** mucht_work [~martin@143.50.125.77] has joined #openttd 09:36:39 <Tefad_> hah, if i load N+1 i get a straight segfault 09:37:10 <TrueBrain> see, that is useful :) 09:37:14 <TrueBrain> run a gdb over it ;) 09:37:19 <Tefad_> ugh man 09:37:46 <Tefad_> yeah, so far its N is fine, N+1 causes sound screwups, and N+2 causes segfault 09:37:48 <Tefad_> wooo. 09:38:12 <Tefad_> and i tried with some variations of grfs 09:38:46 <LeviathNL> I had the same problem a couple of times, I also could not find the cause of the problem 09:39:10 <Tefad_> N = 47 presently 09:40:53 <Tefad_> wow don't have gdb. 09:41:00 <Tefad_> been a while. 09:42:03 <blathijs> Sounds like a buffer overflow somewhere... 09:42:11 <Tefad_> that's my guess 09:42:32 <LeviathNL> ok now i have also 'activated' the sound issue 09:42:44 <blathijs> Since the sound subsystem uses malloc/free _a lot_ that's where buffer overflows get "detected" first 09:42:45 <Tefad_> fart-tastic. 09:42:56 <LeviathNL> 46 grf's 09:43:08 <Tefad_> that causes the sound problems? 09:43:57 <LeviathNL> can we help by running ottd in debug mode? 09:44:23 <Tefad_> i had no idea gdb was such a huge project. 09:44:27 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-130-232.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 09:44:52 <Tefad_> if i'm not mistaken, a full PC emulator has less baggage. 09:46:59 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-60-229-4-136.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47:03 <LeviathNL> what is gdb ? 09:48:13 *** Gekz [~gekko@60.229.4.136] has joined #openttd 09:48:40 <blathijs> LeviathNL: A debugging program 09:49:05 <blathijs> LeviathNL: But I don't think there is anything you can do to help out 09:49:21 <blathijs> If someone would file a bug report, that would help though 09:49:36 <blathijs> (First check if this bug hasn't been reported yet) 09:51:09 *** Tino|R152 [~tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 09:54:03 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-172-57.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 09:56:50 <LeviathNL> Tefad_, is this the same segfault you're experiencing? http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1376 09:57:35 <Tefad_> huh? 09:57:54 <Tefad_> all i'm doing is starting the program 09:58:00 <Tefad_> *boom* instant segfault 09:59:12 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-172-57.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 10:02:36 *** Tino|R152 [~tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 10:03:24 <Celestar> morning 10:03:57 *** Tino|R152 [~tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 10:04:42 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:04:48 <Ammler> morning all 10:05:08 <Ammler> Tefad_: but you don't have any GRFs loaded? 10:06:00 <Tefad_> i get corrupt sound with 48 loaded, segfault with 49 10:06:22 <Tefad_> i don't molest the UI at all 10:06:28 <Tefad_> i add/remove via cfg file 10:06:32 *** bubersson [~bubersson@stechovice.eurosignal.cz] has left #openttd [] 10:11:04 <LeviathNL> flyspray task added, Tefad_ can you add your openttd.cfg? 10:16:10 <Tefad_> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/blog/files/downloads/grfpacks/ottdc_grfpack.cfg those are the grf's i'm playing with 10:16:37 <Ammler> hmm. all? 10:17:04 <Ammler> some needs to be loaded exlusive 10:17:58 <Tefad_> still shouldn't cause segfaults 10:18:10 <Ammler> this cfg is only meant as template, you need to comment out grfs from same type. 10:18:50 <Ammler> I had a segfault because of using dutch tramset on a existing map. 10:18:53 <Tefad_> as obviously there are users stupid enough out there to try it. 10:19:44 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-92-14.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 10:19:50 <Tefad_> when i play openttd i do it more to try to break it than to have "fun" 10:19:57 <Tefad_> though i end up having fun while trying to break it ; ) 10:20:10 <Tefad_> like last night i had over 1000 road vehicles doing crazy things 10:20:45 <Tefad_> hardly using any CPU too 10:26:04 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:26:16 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-172-57.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:26:37 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-92-14.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 10:26:47 <Gekz> Please to be having Vista. 10:26:57 <Gekz> LOL, I hate Vista so much, and I haven't used it -_- 10:27:00 <Gekz> Anyone using it? 10:29:32 <Ammler> I used "native" windows much more before I got a pc with vista, now I can't remember last time I booted windows 10:30:10 <Ammler> (Somtimes I use windows with VirtualBox.) 10:30:26 <Ammler> but thats XP of course 10:31:09 <Tefad_> i haven't had a windows install since august 2004 (or was it 2003) 10:33:15 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-92-14.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:36:40 <LeviathNL> Just to be sure i'm not the only one, the ECS Town vector Beta 3 Industries do not accept or generate anything? (You can't build a station/stop to pick/drop something)? 10:43:54 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc404-38.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 10:49:32 *** Belugas [belugas@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 10:49:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 10:50:10 *** Tino|R152 [~tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:50:18 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180066179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:50:21 <Belugas> [22:47] <DaleStan> Belugas, Maedhros: Action 7 var A1 docs still do not agree with example. Docs say "80000h is *added*". 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Hope it fits better 14:16:52 * dihedral|work greets Belugas 14:17:17 * Belugas salutes dihedral|work 14:20:41 *** denny577 [~denny577@cp44190-b.landg1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 14:20:52 <denny577> hi everyone 14:21:55 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-86-96.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:23:09 *** denny577 [~denny577@cp44190-b.landg1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] 14:23:59 *** Cystem [~Cystem_@gprs20.vodafone.hu] has joined #openttd 14:28:20 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-141-191.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:31:57 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-86-96.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:32:26 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:33:45 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-86-96.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:02 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 14:37:01 *** prakti [~prakti@dhcp-73-198.uni-paderborn.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:39:43 *** prakti [~prakti@dhcp-73-198.uni-paderborn.de] has joined #openttd 14:40:22 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43:03 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB765F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:43:25 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-224-229.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 14:45:19 *** pv2b [~pvz@c213-89-144-30.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 14:45:54 <pv2b> is it just something with me, or is the openttd metaserver down? 14:46:37 *** Cystem [~Cystem_@gprs20.vodafone.hu] has quit [Quit: [netZ] Dolgozni mentem - tÃz perc múlva jövök. (vécé ajtaján)] 14:48:02 *** TrueBrain [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:49:02 *** LeviathNL [LeviathNL@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 14:54:38 <Rubidium> pv2b: looks like it 14:54:57 <pv2b> www.openttd.org/servers.php kinda works though 14:55:00 <Rubidium> TrueBrain's gone too, so that's a bad signs as the bouncer runs on the same server IIRC 14:55:11 <Rubidium> pv2b: two distinct servers 14:55:19 <pv2b> where does the php get its data? 14:55:45 <glx> in a DB 14:55:56 *** TrueBrain [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 14:56:15 <hylje> the grammar! 14:56:31 <pv2b> glx: and where does that db get its data? :-) 14:56:40 <dihedral|work> the master server? 14:56:44 <pv2b> which is down. 14:56:53 <dihedral|work> where does the master server get it's data from? 14:57:03 <pv2b> servers tell them they're online. 14:57:10 <pv2b> s/them/the master server/ 14:57:29 * dihedral|work pats pv2b on the back 14:57:31 <dihedral|work> well done :-D 14:57:48 <pv2b> ah, it would make sense if the DB cached responses from the master server periodically. 14:58:06 <pv2b> instead of grabbing new data from the master server on each page load. 14:58:18 <dihedral|work> the db does not grab data 14:58:34 <pv2b> instead of the php script grabbing new data. 14:58:39 <dihedral|work> :-) 14:58:58 <dihedral|work> the php script grabbes the data from the db - which is sort of a cache 14:59:20 <dihedral|work> you basically want a redundant master server? 14:59:28 <Rubidium> uhmmm... 14:59:44 <pv2b> i don't want anything, i was just curious to why servers.openttd.org showed data when the master server was dow 15:00:02 <Rubidium> the masterserver receives "new" servers from the actual game servers, which the masterserver then puts in a DB 15:00:02 <dihedral|work> refresh your page...? 15:00:12 <pv2b> it loads pretty slow though. 15:00:13 <Rubidium> the websites gets the data directly from that DB 15:00:28 <pv2b> Rubidium: ah, that makes sense. 15:00:37 <dihedral|work> pv2b: clear your browsers cache and try again :-D 15:00:55 <pv2b> it loads about half the time for me 15:00:59 <Rubidium> and there's a second process that periodically checks whether the servers are still online *and* fills the database with actual useable information (like game date, version, GRF, etc). 15:02:34 <dihedral|work> Rubidium: the prob btw with that assertion we had on sat 15:02:35 <pv2b> dihedral|work: i tried with wget (Which to my knowledge uses no cache) and it loads some of the time -- sometimes it just times out tho. 15:02:59 <Rubidium> the masterserver itself does virtually nothing but queueing the new servers for a visit by the previously mentioned "update" process. 15:03:04 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 15:03:12 <Rubidium> oh... and sending IPs to clients that get a list of servers 15:03:22 <TrueBrain> via a cache ;) 15:03:33 <dihedral|work> it came from both SERVER_CLIENTS_DETAIL_INFO 15:03:57 <pv2b> doesn't openttd itself gets it metadata direct from the running servers though, rather than said database? 15:04:04 <dihedral|work> so i removed the code that was informing the lobby of any clients in the companies or spectators 15:04:08 <dihedral|work> and all was fine 15:05:13 <dihedral|work> so i thought of something 15:05:33 <dihedral|work> including sequence numbers in the packet 15:06:06 <dihedral|work> so you would have [packetsize][packettype][sequencenumber] at the beginning of each packet 15:06:16 <dihedral|work> and [nextsequencenumber] at the end of each packet 15:06:46 <dihedral|work> if next sq > sq then data is following in the next packet 15:06:46 <Rubidium> dihedral|work: happy (re)writing TCP with resends and assembling and such... 15:07:07 <dihedral|work> and rather than processing the packets and all data in them at the same time 15:07:16 <TrueBrain> dihedral|work: there are easier ways... like a simple bit that says: expect an other packet of this type 15:07:22 <TrueBrain> or better: put in the first packet the length 15:07:37 <dihedral|work> :-) 15:07:41 <TrueBrain> pv2b: it needs to know which servers to contact directly ;) 15:07:56 <dihedral|work> well - basically anything that allows spreading data over multiple packets 15:08:07 <TrueBrain> sequence numbers is stupid 15:08:10 <TrueBrain> TCP takes care of that 15:08:29 <TrueBrain> your are 100.00000% sure packets arrive in order of sending 15:08:46 <pv2b> TrueBrain: unless there is data corruption that the CRC doesn't pick up. 15:08:59 <pv2b> pretty unlikely though :-) 15:09:00 <TrueBrain> pv2b: still the packets are in order 15:09:10 <pv2b> TrueBrain: not if the packet sequence numbers were corrupted. 15:09:16 <TrueBrain> they might contains garbage, but they are in order :) 15:09:28 <dihedral|work> :-) 15:09:30 <TrueBrain> pv2b: then it re-requests the packet 15:09:42 <TrueBrain> as the seq number isn't correct :) 15:09:56 <pv2b> TrueBrain: not if the corruption means the sequence number was accidentally correct ;-) 15:10:03 <pv2b> but for a different packet. 15:10:04 <dihedral|work> that is what i was thinking of 15:10:05 <TrueBrain> lol! That chance is like... 0.000000000 :) 15:10:06 * Rubidium thinks dihedral|work has absolutely no idea what the reason is why UDP is used for the game query-like commands and not TCP 15:10:10 <dihedral|work> tcp sequence numbers 15:10:13 <dihedral|work> and i was thinking 15:10:21 <Rubidium> and has absolutely no idea how many packets get lost 15:10:27 <TrueBrain> pv2b: but okay, it _can_ happen :) In VERY rare situations :p Lol :) 15:10:55 <dihedral|work> Rubidium: i know tcp and udp differences 15:10:58 <pv2b> TrueBrain: i'd have to calcualte whether it actually is imporibable enough to round to 0.0000000% ... after all 100.0% can be less than 100% :-) 15:11:02 <dihedral|work> what i do not understand is 15:11:06 <TrueBrain> CRC check needs not to detect the sequence corruption, and the sequence need to fit in perfectly in the sequence of an existing flow :) 15:11:13 <dihedral|work> why put more importance on getting all data into one packet 15:11:19 <dihedral|work> rather tahn getting data to the client 15:11:50 <TrueBrain> pv2b: but nothing can be more than 100.000000000000000<..>% 15:11:54 <DaleStan> Belugas: Example and documentation still don't match. "Bit 19 is set" does not imply that the other 19 bits get cleared. If that is what happens, you need to say "80000h is used instead". If that is not what happens, then the example needs to reflect the fact that the low bits contain a non-zero value. 15:12:36 <pv2b> wouldn't it be cool if every single openttd server ran as a master server. problem is, you couldn't be certain the list is accurate. instead of trusting the openttdm aster server, you trust some random person. 15:12:39 <dihedral|work> imo, trying to squish all company data and all clients data in one single packet 15:12:54 <TrueBrain> pv2b: and: where to find all those master servers? :) 15:12:56 <dihedral|work> just makes no sense 15:13:02 <pv2b> TrueBrain: cache from a previous session. 15:13:13 <glx> dihedral|work: you can try to do it like newgrf data packet 15:13:16 <Rubidium> dihedral|work: then what do you want from us? 15:13:19 <TrueBrain> pv2b: so I am a new client, where to find a masterserver? :) 15:13:41 <dihedral|work> Rubidium: distribution of data over multiple packets 15:13:43 <pv2b> TrueBrain: the master server would still exist, but mainly just to bootstrap that client list. so i'd be able to connect somewhere now, so would most other people. 15:13:46 <Rubidium> a) make the openttd pre-game-network protocol about a factor 100 more complex due to retransmission and such 15:14:02 <dihedral|work> Rubidium: games have asserted because of it 15:14:03 <TrueBrain> pv2b: but okay, as you said, means trusting random people ;) 15:14:26 <Rubidium> b) use TCP and make it impossible to run a server for more than an hour under Windows because then it can't accept any new TCP connections? 15:14:43 <TrueBrain> dihedral|work: no, the game asserted because you tried to have 55 clients in one server, while official we advise you to use just 11 :) 15:14:55 <pv2b> TrueBrain: though that wouldn't really be a big problem. worst that can happen is they get some ip address to some server that isn't actually an openttd server -- and then they just don't get any response back 15:15:02 <dihedral|work> TrueBrain: the game asserted BEFORE even 12 clients were in the game 15:15:12 <dihedral|work> and they were ALL spectating at the time of assertion 15:15:13 <TrueBrain> pv2b: or they find a leak in the code, and can exploit all running OpenTTD clients ;) 15:15:28 <TrueBrain> spectators are also clients 15:15:30 <pv2b> which they can do anyway with the current master server :-) 15:15:43 <TrueBrain> pv2b: no, as we protect that :) 15:15:50 <TrueBrain> a client-side exploit can't be abused :) 15:16:02 <pv2b> just make a server which responds maliciously to a SERVER_CLIENTS_DETAIL_INFO 15:16:07 <TrueBrain> in worst case, only by a game-server you join :) 15:16:16 <TrueBrain> pv2b: okay, that is true :) 15:16:43 <TrueBrain> but in theory, we could make the MasterServer filter those servers :) 15:16:48 <dihedral|work> i am happy to do the work with rewriting the network part 15:17:05 <dihedral|work> just would like your thoughts towards it 15:17:14 <pv2b> TrueBrain: what if the exploit returns innocent data to the master server when it asks for SERVER_CLIENTS_DETAIL_INFO, but malicious informatio nto any one else? 15:17:17 <dihedral|work> i.e. me wrapping stuff with sq numbers 15:17:17 <TrueBrain> dihedral|work: I think, just a thought, you just received them 15:17:26 <dihedral|work> lol 15:17:26 <TrueBrain> and I think it was like: BAD BAD BAD BAD idea 15:17:36 <TrueBrain> so I hope this statement makes it a bit more clear what the thoughts towards it are 15:17:42 <TrueBrain> pv2b: you win :) 15:17:44 <dihedral|work> then how would you want to go around removing all these assertions? 15:17:56 <TrueBrain> ha, I know thatone :) Not! 15:17:58 <TrueBrain> and keep 11 clients :) 15:18:05 <dihedral|work> lol 15:18:20 <dihedral|work> coop asserted in the same way before 15:18:26 <glx> but maybe something like newgrf packets could work 15:18:29 <dihedral|work> and they do not have that many clients 15:18:33 <TrueBrain> show me a trunk way that asserts on it, and we will look into it 15:18:42 <TrueBrain> glx: for UDP, indeed 15:18:48 <TrueBrain> send each company in a seperate packet 15:18:50 <dihedral|work> like i said TrueBrain 15:18:50 <TrueBrain> if it arrives, it arrives 15:18:53 <TrueBrain> if not, then not 15:18:58 <dihedral|work> coop has already had asserts 15:18:59 <TrueBrain> but I personally dislike it 15:19:09 <TrueBrain> dihedral|work: and as I said: 15:19:11 <TrueBrain> show me a trunk way that asserts on it, and we will look into it 15:19:34 <pv2b> TrueBrain: so really, the only bad thing about letting every random server being a master server would be the potential of a few thousand (how many openttd users are tehre?) users sending unsolicited SERVER_CLIENTS_DETAIL_INFO messages to people not running serverrs. 15:19:59 <TrueBrain> pv2b: yup! Still, not worth the effort :) 15:20:07 <TrueBrain> the MS has an uptime of 99.97% last time I checked 15:20:36 <glx> and you still can play without MS 15:20:44 <TrueBrain> and that allows us to have a servers.openttd.org, and keep track of things :) 15:20:45 <glx> but you need to know IP and ports 15:22:39 <TrueBrain> which you can get via servers.openttd.org ;) Lol :) 15:23:06 <dihedral|work> Truebrain: 16:20 <+glx> and you still can play without MS 15:23:21 <TrueBrain> (the chance the MS is down, and the http is up, is very slim :)) 15:23:27 <TrueBrain> dihedral|work: you can read! I am impressed! 15:23:44 <pv2b> i've had a thought earlier by the way to make some kind of third party server browser, that lets you search for different cool stuff - like players on certain servers, or even patch settings. 15:24:06 <TrueBrain> pv2b: we wanted to add the first in the MS long long ago 15:24:10 <TrueBrain> in fact, it was for a while 15:24:12 <pv2b> i wonder though -- is it possible to get for example patch information without having to log in as a spec on every server? 15:24:23 <TrueBrain> but it was a bit more tricky, so removed :) 15:24:26 <pv2b> actually, even getting it without having to download the map. 15:24:33 <TrueBrain> pv2b: currently, no 15:24:42 <TrueBrain> but of course one can make a new packet for it 15:24:43 <dihedral|work> TrueBrain: tell me, servers. can show ip's and ports of servers that are not advertised? 15:24:55 <dihedral|work> or started servers while MS is down? 15:25:04 <pv2b> TrueBrain: new packet isn't neccessary... TCP to gather that specific information should be enough really. 15:25:13 <TrueBrain> dihedral|work: we were talking about the case the MS goes down; the http uses the 'cache' data, so it will show servers for a while 15:25:28 <TrueBrain> pv2b: which would mean a new packet :) 15:25:51 <pv2b> how is the patch information transmitted now anyway? is it part of the map data? 15:26:00 <TrueBrain> yup 15:26:08 <pv2b> what about patch changes? 15:26:31 <TrueBrain> via DoCommands 15:26:56 <pv2b> ok. is the patch data transmitted close to the beginning of the map data at least? :-) 15:27:16 <TrueBrain> undefined 15:27:53 <pv2b> ok. i'm going to have to take a look at the openttd network code - see if it's worth the effort. 15:29:24 <pv2b> guess what. the svn is down. :-) 15:29:50 <TrueBrain> no it isn't :) 15:30:42 <pv2b> pvz-powerbook:~/src/openttd pvz$ svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk 15:30:42 <pv2b> svn: Kan inte ansluta till vÀrden "svn.openttd.org": Operation timed out 15:30:50 <TrueBrain> blame your ISP :) 15:31:07 <pv2b> new dns entry? 15:31:14 <TrueBrain> nope 15:31:35 <TrueBrain> on the server end, everything is green 15:31:43 <TrueBrain> but okay, fair enough, there seem to be some routing issues :) 15:31:49 <pv2b> PING master.openttd.org (81.171.98.111): 56 data bytes 15:31:49 <pv2b> 64 bytes from 81.171.98.111: icmp_seq=0 ttl=49 time=33.011 ms 15:31:50 <pv2b> not routing 15:32:12 <pv2b> icmp is getting through at least. 15:32:12 <TrueBrain> svn info svn://svn.openttd.org 15:32:12 <TrueBrain> Path: svn.openttd.org 15:32:18 <TrueBrain> So svn is really working :p 15:32:38 <pv2b> that's strange. svn info works. svn co doesn't. 15:33:06 <TrueBrain> $ svn update 15:33:06 <TrueBrain> U os/debian/changelog 15:33:08 <TrueBrain> :) 15:35:49 <TrueBrain> funny, a minor amount of people complain they can't reach it, but the bandwidth statistics don't show anything abnormal :) 15:36:25 <pv2b> something is strange, though i'm beyond blaming the svn for being down right now. 15:37:50 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178247246.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:38:53 <pv2b> TrueBrain: maybe because you have an svn account, and, i guess, are using something like svn over ssh. 15:39:13 <pv2b> i'm just using it as an anonymous user. and yeah, i checked that the SVN_RSH variable is clear. 15:39:57 <TrueBrain> no svn over ssh 15:40:09 <pv2b> or maybe the version of svn that comes with os x is a lemon. i'm going to try from another version on a linux machine i have here. 15:40:31 <TrueBrain> pv2b: also, you might just try it in, say, 10 minutes 15:40:39 <TrueBrain> it wouldn't be a suprise if then it would work :) 15:41:49 <TrueBrain> as if 'svn info' works, it is silly 'svn checkout' gives a time out error.. 15:41:54 <TrueBrain> anyway, bbl 15:42:02 <TrueBrain> pv2b: let me know in 30 min if you still haven't fixed it ;) 15:42:06 <pv2b> i will. 15:47:36 <pv2b> now not even svn info is working. 15:47:48 <pv2b> it might be because i'm getting high packet loss though. 15:47:58 <pv2b> to just that server. 15:49:09 <pv2b> ah, svn info works, but only intermittently. yeah. probably a network issue. 15:53:03 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54:29 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-73-208.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:01:00 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-86-96.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:08 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-249-196.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:31 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-73-208.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:03:40 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-73-208.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:05:22 <TrueBrain> pv2b: still having problems? 16:05:34 <pv2b> nope, it's working now 16:05:43 <pv2b> must have been some kind of network issue as you said. 16:05:44 <TrueBrain> so indeed routing problems :) 16:05:51 <TrueBrain> it happens 16:06:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> wtf... 16:06:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> i got an email from ebay 16:06:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> ... it's in spanish 16:06:24 <pv2b> you sure it's not a phish? 16:06:24 <TrueBrain> well.. maybe it is fake :) 16:06:27 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-126-64.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:06:44 <TrueBrain> and there is Farden again with his endless joins and leaves 16:07:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> it does start with a line like "by giving your real name we prove that this is not spam" 16:07:32 <pv2b> and is tat your real name? 16:07:43 <TrueBrain> and that isn't in your email when you sent someone a mail? :) 16:07:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes 16:08:04 <pv2b> also i'm pretty sure ebay doesn't use your real name, they use something else to prove real e-mails. 16:08:23 <TrueBrain> like links that really go to ebay ;) 16:08:25 <pv2b> realnames are easy to snoop from address books. 16:08:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, i'm gonna look up some real ebay mails 16:10:08 <huma> Eddi|zuHause2: does it say something like "enlargo el peniso"? :) 16:10:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> more like "MARATÃN VENDEDOR DE EBAY" 16:11:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> and the links all start with "rover.ebay.com" 16:11:30 *** Tino|R152 [~tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:11:44 <pv2b> do they actually start with that or do they just appear to? 16:12:29 <pv2b> my last legit email from ebay is from 2005... so i can't really help you. 16:12:33 <pv2b> it was in german, incidentally :-) 16:12:45 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-73-208.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:12:50 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 16:13:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's a text message, there is not much to fake about links :p 16:13:37 <pv2b> is it actually a text message or does it masquerade as being a text message? ;-) 16:14:41 <Brianetta> eBay messages appear in My Messages when you log in to eBay 16:14:52 <Brianetta> If it's not there when you log in, they didn't send it. 16:15:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> it has a text and a html part 16:15:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> like all other ebay messages i ever got 16:15:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> apart from it being in spanish, it looks genuine... 16:16:10 <Brianetta> well, log in and see! 16:16:22 <Brianetta> Delete the email, and read it ont he web site 16:16:53 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6FB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:18:36 * dihedral|work greets skidd13 16:19:07 <skidd13> Hi 16:20:30 *** prakti [~prakti@dhcp-73-198.uni-paderborn.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:50 <skidd13> Has anyone of the devs read the recent posts of FS1341 ? 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Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 16:31:51 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:33:03 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6FB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 16:36:03 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:36:53 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-104-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:37:09 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 16:47:35 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-181-253.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 16:53:55 *** LeviathNL [LeviathNL@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:54:29 <Digitalfox> Could someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong? :\ 16:54:30 <Digitalfox> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=34668 16:56:35 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 16:58:19 <mcbane> Roujin answered 17:00:58 <Digitalfox> yes mcbane, i now posted a new order is it correct now? 17:04:02 *** dihedral|work is now known as dihedral|away 17:04:39 <mcbane> town,basic, chemical,machine woood,construction,agricultur 17:05:22 <Digitalfox> Are you sure thats a better order? 17:05:45 <Digitalfox> Or the order isn't important/doesn't make difference? 17:06:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:08:06 <mcbane> it do 17:09:57 <mcbane> i have 28 insdustries. 17:10:48 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-109-253.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 17:11:15 <mcbane> but i cant get ecd and town replacement work together. 17:11:33 <mcbane> *ecs 17:13:26 <mcbane> hmm wiki sais there is no needed order.. 17:13:34 *** bluebear__ [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db3017f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:13:39 *** bluebear__ is now known as bluebear 17:15:59 <Digitalfox> Well it seems TTRS must be in the end 17:16:11 <Digitalfox> since i now have petrol stations working 17:17:24 <mcbane> i have it in the end and it gets disabled. when i have it after esc vector grfs i get only tourist center and bank.. 17:18:08 <Digitalfox> Well in my topic that order seems to work well 17:19:33 <mcbane> town ned to be in first place adn i get 32 insustries 17:19:43 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:19:43 <mcbane> heh 17:21:34 <mcbane> ok it works with ttrs and now i have 34 industries. 17:22:59 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 17:28:09 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 17:28:09 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28:37 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:29:03 <BiA|pavel-css> i have a prob :( ... in my built ottd, there is a 50% chance that, you will get desync in multyplayer when bu try to built a industry :( any suggests? :/ 17:30:16 *** fjb [~frank@W81d5.w.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 17:30:22 <fjb> Moin 17:30:57 *** Hendikins|ZzZ is now known as Hendikins|Work 17:31:30 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host117-20-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:32:18 <Wolf01> hello 17:34:49 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.93.98] has joined #openttd 17:35:59 <fjb> Hello Wolf 17:36:07 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178247246.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: #idlerpg] 17:36:17 *** Ailure [Cat@194.47.44.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:12 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-225-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:52 *** bluebear__ [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db33d10.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:49:45 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0088.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: edgepro: There are two kinds of people, those who finish what they start and so on.] 17:51:36 *** Stoffe [~mirc@h2n2fls308o838.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Peace and Protection 4.22.2] 17:54:20 *** mucht_work [~martin@143.50.125.77] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:55:17 *** bluebear [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db3017f.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:55:33 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:56:51 <LeviathNL> Wolf01, I stumbled upon this site: http://returntoblockland.com/ . It comes with some very interesting graphics (look for the data-map). I'm not sure if you can use it, you should ask the creators of the mod. download -> http://www.xs4all.nl/~eddykui/RTB1045full.exe 18:01:56 <Wolf01> uhm, i prefer to use my own skill(z) to make "teh brickland climate" instead of grabbing the sprites around ;) 18:02:54 <LeviathNL> just some inspiration :) 18:04:13 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-221-79.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 18:04:22 *** fjb [~frank@W81d5.w.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:05:15 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-68-26.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:05:46 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-130-232.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:40 <Ammller> back 18:07:47 <Ammller> dihedral, still testing? 18:08:33 <dihedral> yes 18:10:09 <BiA|pavel-css> what r u testing dihedral? 18:12:10 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-68-26.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:14:42 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@pc211.host25.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:15:44 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 18:24:04 <dihedral> TrueBrain and Rubidium: i just did a test, with maxing out company names and client names (11 clients) 18:24:12 <dihedral> it did not assert 18:24:13 <dihedral> :-( 18:24:41 <dihedral> just wanted to let you know that i at least tried :-D 18:25:30 *** fjb [~frank@A8831.a.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 18:25:39 <fjb> Moin. :-) 18:28:09 <LordAzamath> @dihedral.. any chance of you guys needing some additional grfs for 2WWOTTDGD? :D I just started to like pixel-drawing :D 18:28:34 <LordAzamath> ..and have some WIP's already :D 18:28:37 <dihedral> pretty good chance 18:29:06 <LordAzamath> that's good 18:29:37 <dihedral> just at the moment we are still needing our rest 18:29:41 <dihedral> :-) 18:30:05 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 18:30:10 <LordAzamath> =) 18:30:12 <dihedral> i am still k.o. 18:30:15 <LordAzamath> that's good 18:31:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:32:05 * dihedral greets Brianetta 18:32:11 <LordAzamath> anyway, if I complete something interesting, I'll let you guys know..maybe..it will get a good use :D 18:38:03 <Brianetta> hi Diabolic-Angel 18:38:05 <Brianetta> er 18:38:08 <Brianetta> hi dihedral 18:38:39 <Ammller> ah, thats the source of the name? :)$ 18:38:59 <dihedral> ?? 18:41:50 <dihedral> how is the unique_id or network_id generated? 18:42:09 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:40 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 18:43:14 <Wolf01> is ((sacro's birth date + real name) rot13) base 64 encoded 18:43:54 <dihedral> no 18:44:00 <dihedral> i am asking seriously 18:44:04 <dihedral> because i deleted it from my config 18:44:09 <dihedral> and got the same one back again 18:44:19 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-160-233.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:45:35 <Wolf01> Maedhros knows it, don't you, Maedhros? 18:46:00 <Maedhros> probably 18:46:04 <Maedhros> what do i know, though? :p 18:46:17 <Wolf01> the mistery of [19:41:55] <dihedral> how is the unique_id or network_id generated? 18:46:25 <dihedral> how the _network_unique_id is generated 18:47:07 <Maedhros> ah, in that case, i don't have a clue ;) 18:49:07 <LordAzamath> usual... 18:49:13 <Maedhros> well, a couple of seconds of grepping has given me NetworkGenerateUniqueId() 18:49:49 <Maedhros> which is an md5 hash of Random() + "OpenTTD Unique ID" 18:50:46 <dihedral> and... 18:50:58 <dihedral> how on earth can that then give me the same id twice? 18:51:17 <dihedral> i mean - removing it from the config file should be enough to get it generated again right? 18:52:06 <Maedhros> did you do anything between deleting it and getting it regenerated? start a new game, play for a while, anything? 18:52:52 *** bluebear___ [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db33d10.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 18:52:56 *** bluebear__ [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db33d10.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:52:57 *** bluebear___ is now known as bluebear 18:53:15 <dihedral> i quit the game, removed the line from cfg, saved, started openttd, joined a test server 18:53:26 <dihedral> opened the cfg 18:53:28 <dihedral> and back it was 18:55:04 <TinoDidriksen> Maybe the random part isn't seeded properly. 18:56:40 <TrueBrain> dihedral: that's why I say: in trunk it doesn't happen as far as I can tell, and if so, I like ot know ;) 18:56:58 <dihedral> :-) 18:58:34 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 18:59:46 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176099086.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:04:35 *** bluebear___ [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db33e50.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 19:10:17 *** bluebear [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db33d10.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:10:27 *** bluebear___ is now known as bluebear 19:11:14 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13:23 <Maedhros> Ammller: (re: bug 1376) did you load the dutch tramset into an existing game? 19:13:45 <Ammller> YES 19:13:47 <Maedhros> because you now have a road vehicle in a loading bay that thinks it's a tram 19:13:57 <Ammller> sorry for caps look :) 19:14:00 <Maedhros> which causes the segfault when it starts moving 19:14:05 <LeviathNL> r11353 does not clone orders while if you clone with ctrl pressed 19:14:13 <Maedhros> (tile 15183, by the way) 19:14:42 <Maedhros> and the newgrf window popup does say quite clearly that making changes to a running game can cause crashes :p 19:15:04 <Ammller> oh, never mind, I know, its a bad idea :) 19:15:16 <Maedhros> yeah, just a bit :p 19:16:13 <Ammller> so, if you like to insert a set in a running game, you could send them all to depot 19:16:41 <Ammller> and then inserting the set, that should work, shouldn't? 19:17:00 <Maedhros> it might, but it's still a pretty big risk 19:17:48 <Ammller> so, you close the task with pointing to not doing it? 19:18:17 <Maedhros> yup 19:18:22 <Ammller> its ok with me, I thought, its bad, now I know :) 19:22:49 <fjb> I guess Ammler's problem was my fault. :-( 19:23:42 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-135-100.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:23:47 <Ammller> fjb: nay, I said you already, didn't use your patch... 19:23:58 <Ammller> maybe with your patch it would work :) 19:25:08 <fjb> With the latest version it will work. 19:26:06 <fjb> I had abroken version that gave me a tram with a truck trailer. That combination crashed the game when it tried to enter the tram depot. But that was a bad combination anyway. :-) 19:27:10 <fjb> I feel like a computer caveman while editing nfo files. 19:27:39 <LordAzamath> BUGGER...BUGGER! 19:27:44 * LordAzamath comes flying 19:27:58 <dihedral> LordAzamath: make a MacDonalds GRF :-D 19:28:04 <LordAzamath> ok 19:28:07 <dihedral> lol 19:28:12 <LordAzamath> but I want to say about a bug first 19:28:21 *** Ailure [Cat@194.47.44.201] has joined #openttd 19:28:23 <dihedral> replace shopping center 19:28:24 <LordAzamath> Pavel found it 19:28:33 <LordAzamath> yes, yes...but wait 19:28:39 <LordAzamath> :D 19:28:44 *** _Bastiaan_ [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 19:28:50 <Sionide> McDonalds 19:29:05 <Ammller> dihedral / LordAzamath thats already done... 19:29:17 <dihedral> :-S 19:29:18 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:30 *** pecisk [~pecisk@78.84.139.234] has joined #openttd 19:29:33 <LordAzamath> If you join a MP game, get into a company and try to fund industry..game desyncs for client 19:29:41 <LordAzamath> but not for server 19:29:50 <LordAzamath> I just tried it 19:29:55 <Ammller> yes, we can approve that too 19:30:07 <Ammller> just happen on our server too 19:30:14 <LordAzamath> and it's present in your WWOTTDGD bin too 19:30:32 <Ammller> hmm, don't hunt bug in WWOTTDGD bin 19:30:36 <LordAzamath> :D 19:30:42 <dihedral> yes 19:30:45 <LordAzamath> I just didn't have newer one 19:31:00 <LordAzamath> but it "works" in all later nightlys 19:31:10 <LordAzamath> Pavel tested it 19:31:35 <Wolf01> bah.. 512t of coal (64% transported), purchased 10 new trucks -> 352t of coal (76% transported) 19:32:24 <LordAzamath> I now have a newer one..going to test it again :D 19:32:26 <fjb> Where are the coal trams? :-) 19:32:42 <Wolf01> i played too much ottd, i keep pressed the tab key to accelerate the time you take to answer me 19:33:23 * fjb always does a right click to move the content of a window. 19:37:38 <LordAzamath> ok.... if server makes new industries, clients desyncs... tested with 11353. If clients make new industries, they desync too..Server never desyncs 19:38:09 * LordAzamath will go drawing McDonalds for Dihedral ;) 19:38:26 <dihedral> [20:29] <Ammller> dihedral / LordAzamath thats already done... 19:38:38 <Maedhros> LeviathNL: i'm not understanding bug 1380... how can it be refitted to passengers if that's the default? 19:39:04 <LeviathNL> I'll post a screen 19:42:05 <Ammller> LordAzamath: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=56333&sid=5aba085bc4d4f317e6bbf7a6211dcf41#p56333 19:42:11 <LeviathNL> Maedhros, see comments on the bug-report 19:42:27 <Ammller> maybe you can do something not commerce 19:43:15 <glx> LeviathNL: you mean "livery" refit 19:44:59 <LeviathNL> I guess :) 19:47:49 <huma> LordAzamath: draw starbucks too :) 19:48:22 <Ammller> LordAzamath: I will include them in the coop pack only, if they donate to openttd.org... 19:48:59 *** bubersson [~bubersson@stechovice.eurosignal.cz] has joined #openttd 19:49:23 <LordAzamath> I go away for a second, and coming back...thay are asking for starbucks, donations..what else? :D 19:49:32 <Ammller> maybe you do somthing for the ECS Tourist vector: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=ECS 19:49:46 <LordAzamath> I actually wasn't going to draw Mcdonalds ;) 19:53:28 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:53:47 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:54:31 <LordAzamath> BUT..now for serious...is there anything really I could draw? 19:54:39 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:11 <BiA|pavel-css> :) 19:55:19 <BiA|pavel-css> new trains ;) 19:55:56 <LordAzamath> I'll start from buildings...there are lots...lots of trainsets avilable 19:55:59 <fjb> Is it possible to just add new buildings or does every new building replace another one? 19:56:32 <LordAzamath> with newhuses...I think it's possible...am I right? 19:57:10 <mikegrb> ~an 19:57:20 <fjb> LordAzamath: Make an erotik shop. Georges busses are already doing the advertises. :-) 19:57:35 <LordAzamath> unfortunatly, I have to spend a year studying at specs to be able to make something lie that 19:57:39 <LeviathNL> I think so, ttrs3 add buildings by default 19:57:47 <LordAzamath> @fjb....I'm a minor 19:58:02 <LordAzamath> so no *erotic shops* from me 19:58:04 <LordAzamath> :D 19:58:10 <fjb> LordAzamath: Then don't look at the busses. :-) 19:58:11 <Belugas> fjb, you can either replace some houses by your own or you can add new ones. 19:58:24 <fjb> Belugas: thank you. 19:58:25 <Belugas> you're free to do whatever you want 19:58:29 *** Barry [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has joined #openttd 19:58:33 <BiA|pavel-css> what about Mcdonalds? :) 19:58:38 <BiA|pavel-css> :D :P 19:58:41 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.93.98] has quit [Quit: auto-sign in makes things sooo much easier] 19:58:43 * dihedral slaps BiA|pavel-css 19:58:47 <Belugas> i prefer A&W 19:58:53 <BiA|pavel-css> i prefer KFC 19:58:56 * fjb prefers chinese food. 19:59:07 <LordAzamath> [21:38] <dihedral> [20:29] <Ammller> dihedral / LordAzamath thats already done... 19:59:20 * LordAzamath breaks out the slapping rod and looks sternly at BiA|pavel-css 19:59:57 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 20:00:15 * BiA|pavel-css is whistilng 20:00:17 <BiA|pavel-css> O:-) 20:00:22 <LordAzamath> macdonalds when the char-set is anything like western...Chinise food for chinise charset :DD 20:00:32 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:33 <Sionide> it's "mc" 20:01:34 <Ammller> I would rather like chinese food then mc donald 20:01:50 <LordAzamath> Hesburger is better than MC 20:01:51 <Sionide> chinese food restaurant with a dodgy neon sign would look cool 20:03:45 <Barry> Hello 20:03:54 *** gigi31 [~gigi31@ANantes-257-1-140-170.w90-32.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:03:58 <LeviathNL> draw a playing ground or a park :) a bit more space in the cities. 20:04:05 <BiA|pavel-css> or simple bilboard :) with ........ somethink original .... like http://www.mcdonalds.cz/img/u/logo_mcd.gif 20:04:05 <hylje> draw withering cities 20:04:06 <dihedral> 4x4 20:04:11 <LordAzamath> http://www.citynoise.org/upload/8144.jpg 20:04:19 <LordAzamath> @sionide 20:04:19 <hylje> dark, dodgy, hideous 20:04:26 <Sionide> yessss 20:04:30 <Sionide> a dodgy sign that flickers 20:05:13 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e182093022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:05:42 *** gigi31 [~gigi31@ANantes-257-1-140-170.w90-32.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 20:05:58 <LordAzamath> I think, I'll emerge back to Mandriva 2008, now and install IRC client there...or use kopeete. the Vista is uselessly slow :( 20:06:01 <BiA|pavel-css> some advertisment .... 20:06:02 <BiA|pavel-css> http://cerocoma.files.wordpress.com/2006/04/mcdonal%20CL.jpg 20:06:26 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@pc211.host25.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:49 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:07:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:10:05 <ln-> he dared to return 20:12:20 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176099086.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:33 * dihedral slaps Bjarni 20:13:51 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:28 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 20:14:55 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@pc12.host26.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 20:15:07 <LordAzamath> now back :D 20:20:03 <Bjarni> what did I do? 20:20:14 <fjb> He changed the os. 20:20:42 <dihedral> you told me to mail to the dev maillist 20:21:12 <Bjarni> did you do that? 20:21:58 <dihedral> yep 20:22:05 <dihedral> talk to TrueBrain about that maillist 20:22:19 * Bjarni wonders why he didn't get that mail 20:22:31 <fjb> Why does the newspaper always tell me unimportant this like closing industries that are already closed, but never tells me about a crashed airplain and almost never about a crash at a road / railroad crossing? 20:22:45 <dihedral> Bjarni: that is _exactly_ what you should ask TB about 20:22:46 <hylje> it does but it's buried in all that industry talk 20:23:01 <LordAzamath> because you havent touched the messages settings? 20:23:15 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:23 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:23:35 <hylje> "you mean ottd has message settings?" 20:23:40 <ln-> Bjarni: i don't know what others are fererring to, i was merely talking about the pressure for resolving the two compilation errors on leopard. 20:23:55 <fjb> I just checked the settings. It should be in the news. But I never see it. 20:24:34 <LordAzamath> "you mean ottd has message settings?" yes 20:26:52 <Belugas> do you see those news in the history? 20:30:53 <fjb> No, or at least I sometimes miss a vehicle. I asume that it had an accident, but that usually isn't in the news history anymore. 20:32:12 <fjb> Three concodes, vour tracks, a tram and two busses diappeared. 20:39:05 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 20:41:47 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-109-253.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: alive or dead, you don't bother me] 20:50:18 *** _Bastiaan_ [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:55:34 *** Barry [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.8/2007100816]] 20:59:16 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 21:01:44 <LordAzamath> ok...I have drawns SOMEthing...help me find out what it is :D 21:01:46 <LordAzamath> http://www.hot.ee/madisaasmae/pilt.png 21:02:31 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-221-79.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 21:02:32 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-221-79.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:55 <LordAzamath> anyone? 21:02:55 <Belugas> a trophee? 21:03:20 <Belugas> a nice fruit basket? 21:03:21 <LordAzamath> it looks more like a house 21:03:39 <ln-> LordAzamath: what happened to dvdmedia.ee? 21:03:48 <Belugas> a military building? 21:03:59 <ln-> LordAzamath: err.. nothing, it seems. 21:04:02 <Belugas> it has an helipad on the roof? 21:04:08 <LordAzamath> a pool 21:04:19 <Belugas> ^_^ 21:04:21 <Belugas> ok 21:04:25 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 21:04:29 <LordAzamath> I thought it would be helipad, but then rethought it 21:04:40 <LordAzamath> actually, I don't know what it is 21:04:56 <Belugas> it is strange looking, to say the least 21:05:03 <Belugas> and now, i'm going home 21:05:05 <Belugas> see you 21:05:11 <Belugas> and good night 21:05:11 <dihedral> cu 21:05:12 <LordAzamath> see you too...bye 21:05:53 <dihedral> LordAzamath: how about thinking of something to draw 21:06:18 <LordAzamath> http://www.hot.ee/madisaasmae/pilt.png 21:06:34 <dihedral> rathen than drawing something and then finding out what it is supposed to be 21:06:40 <LordAzamath> :d 21:06:49 <LordAzamath> I don't know.... 21:07:54 <LordAzamath> give me a good ide 21:07:54 <LordAzamath> a 21:08:03 <LordAzamath> :) 21:13:34 <LordAzamath> ummm... I'll draw a...mall next time....tomorrow I think 21:14:10 <LordAzamath> but I guess then that one wasn't so good. :( Try better next time :) 21:14:35 <LordAzamath> anyway, I'll go to sleep now 21:14:38 <LordAzamath> bye 21:16:13 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@pc12.host26.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 21:16:20 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-224-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:17:10 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-224-229.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 21:17:17 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:18:49 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:19:08 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:19:26 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:20:41 *** bluebear___ [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db302d7.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 21:24:12 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0088.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 21:25:06 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 21:26:09 <Maarten> :) 21:26:17 *** bluebear [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db33e50.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:28 *** bluebear___ is now known as bluebear 21:39:38 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-224-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:42:02 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 21:42:46 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:33 *** pecisk [~pecisk@78.84.139.234] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:47:47 *** Knightmare [~smithj@77-97-50-77.cable.ubr03.cast.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:47:54 <Knightmare> hey guys 21:48:45 <Knightmare> is anyone available to confirm the existence of a bug for me? 21:51:57 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 21:53:51 <Knightmare> NOT_REACHED triggered at line 152 of /compile_farm/openttd/nightly/compile_sir/src/slope.h 21:57:25 <Rubidium> well... make it reproducable by loading a savegame and doing something specific or (even better) nothing. Then post the savegame at bugs.openttd.org 21:59:29 <Wolf01> 'night 21:59:34 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host117-20-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:59:47 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-224-229.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 22:02:43 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:38 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:05:18 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 22:05:33 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.93.98] has joined #openttd 22:07:09 <dihedral> night 22:07:33 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-225-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: still ko from wwottdgd] 22:07:55 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: http://tinodidriksen.com/] 22:08:16 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-160-233.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:13:06 <Knightmare> this is happening when i load a game i saved against last nights SVN ok 22:15:37 *** MarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 22:15:45 *** LordAzamath[Baltica] [~chatzilla@pc12.host26.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 22:15:52 *** LordAzamath[Baltica] is now known as LordAzamath[Cant 22:16:06 *** LordAzamath[Cant is now known as Lord 22:16:39 *** Lord is now known as Lord[cant_sleep] 22:20:17 *** Markkisen [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:17 *** MarkSlap is now known as Markkisen 22:23:57 *** Knightmare [~smithj@77-97-50-77.cable.ubr03.cast.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 22:24:12 *** bubersson [~bubersson@stechovice.eurosignal.cz] has left #openttd [] 22:25:00 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:24 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:08 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:21 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:29:17 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:31:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11354 /trunk/src/airport.cpp: -Codechange [FS#1379]: one variable wasn't freed whereas all others were. It's not causing any problems as it happens during the shutdown of OpenTTD. So basically it is only for consistency. 22:38:57 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5C2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:39:11 <skidd13> Hi 22:40:49 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 22:43:17 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 22:43:17 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:43:17 *** NW|Aerandir is now known as RamboRonny 22:46:38 *** Lord[cant_sleep] [~chatzilla@pc12.host26.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.8/2007100816]] 22:49:52 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:51:09 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-75.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:59:07 <skidd13> Is the misplacement of the trams (modern tram set) in the group_gui a bug in OTTD or in the grf? 23:00:24 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-126-64.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 23:00:46 <Rubidium> misplacement? 23:01:20 <Rubidium> you mean something like wrong alignment or so? If that's the case, it's most likely the GRF as the others seem to work. 23:02:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11355 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#1377]: loading too many GRFs was not handled gracefully causing crashes and such. 23:03:00 <skidd13> Some sprites seem to go out of bounds. I think it's the GRF too but I'm not sure that's why I'm asking. 23:04:30 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-126-64.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:30 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 23:07:29 <fjb> The modern tram set is in very early development. The graphics are there, but almost none of the vehicle statistics. I would guess that there is much more to do. 23:12:07 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-126-64.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 23:21:24 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-135-100.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:23:19 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5C2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 23:29:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11356 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp industry_gui.cpp): -Fix (r11305): funding industries in MP game was causing desync 23:36:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D920.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:41:43 <Ammlller> nice fix glx, we realized that just today 23:41:50 <Ammlller> thank you. 23:43:07 <Ammlller> fjb: I guess, this guy is looking for coder..., job for you? 23:45:46 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 23:50:30 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:53:28 <Sacro> grr 23:58:28 <fjb> Ammlller: ME, Coder? No. :-) 23:59:00 <Ammlller> oh, why not? 23:59:12 <fjb> I'm lucky I found the values that I had to change. 23:59:36 <fjb> I'm not cool enough to be a coder. :-P