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00:00:04 <Bjarni> fjb: have a glass of water and figure it out 00:00:04 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:00:20 <Digitalfox> one friend of mine this weekend was caught with 3.40g/l on blood, he had to go to court and now will be without driver licence, for 6 months 00:00:24 <fjb> Bjarni: Oh, that is really fun. 00:00:50 <fjb> Digitalfox: Now I see the fun. 00:01:02 <glx> Digitalfox: don't drive if you drink 00:01:07 <Bjarni> we count it in â° 00:01:16 <Bjarni> the limit is 0,5â° 00:01:29 <Bjarni> I like the Australian limit better (0,02â°) 00:01:31 <Digitalfox> Bjarni: Well the limit here is 0.5g/l 00:01:36 <SmatZ> we got 0,000 no matter if g/l, %, % or ppm :-p 00:02:15 <Bjarni> SmatZ: how can you tell the difference between 0,005 and 0,000 ppm? 00:02:17 <ln-> Bjarni: what about on rail? 00:02:19 <Digitalfox> The limit here changed because portuguese wines companys made a big fuss over the old limit of 0.2 00:02:36 <glx> 0 may be wrong as some people do "create" alcohol by themself 00:02:38 <SmatZ> Bjarni: if police can prove it, then you lost your driving licence 00:02:47 <SmatZ> *lose 00:03:04 <SmatZ> yes, our laws are bad 00:03:08 <Digitalfox> glx: I don't drive when i drink, i have a girlfriend for that moment 00:03:08 <Bjarni> the Australian limit is due to how well they can measure it and be sure enough of the measurement that it can stand as evidence in a trial 00:03:12 <SmatZ> they scare people for no reason 00:04:08 <Bjarni> <SmatZ> yes, our laws are bad <-- you talk about an awesome law that I would like to have here and then you end the explanation with a statement like this..... odd 00:05:45 <SmatZ> Bjarni: it is bad... as glx said, people have some alcohol in blood naturally 00:06:11 <SmatZ> people with diabetes can have 0,3 promile... 00:06:19 <Bjarni> o_O 00:06:40 <SmatZ> and anyway, sometimes I wake up after a party, maybe I have 0,1 promile in blood... hmm 00:06:59 <Bjarni> only 0,1â°? 00:07:05 <ln-> SmatZ: 0,3 > 0,0, so they should be punished, too. 00:07:15 <SmatZ> ln-: yes, that's the law 00:07:31 <Bjarni> you can actually drink so much to a party that you can't drive the next day even after sleeping 8 hours 00:07:32 <Gonozal_VIII> everybody has >0 00:08:21 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-090-201.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:08:31 <Sacro> i've done that 00:08:47 <SmatZ> actually, if police measures some alcohol in your breath, you go for a blood test... then at the blood test, they tolerate ~ 0,2 promile, as it is usual to have this level in blood 00:08:53 <glx> that's surprising Sacro ;) 00:08:57 <SmatZ> but it is breaking the law 00:08:59 <Bjarni> Sacro: any freaky thing that you haven't done? 00:09:12 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl4-208-49.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:09:20 <Sacro> Bjarni: a fair few 00:09:32 <Sacro> i've never made love to a danish man before 00:09:33 <Bjarni> really? 00:09:38 <Bjarni> o_O 00:09:43 <Bjarni> O_o 00:09:47 <Bjarni> wtf 00:09:52 <SmatZ> lol 00:09:57 <Bjarni> are you coming on to me? 00:10:03 <glx> how can we interpret that? 00:10:13 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 00:10:19 <Gonozal_VIII> [01:08:47] SmatZ: actually, if police measures some alcohol in your breath, you go for a blood test... then at the blood test, they tolerate ~ 0,2 promile, as it is usual to have this level in blood <-- about the same here but legal limit is 0,5... if you don't let them do the blood test they write 1,6 no matter what 00:10:53 <SmatZ> Gonozal_VIII: sometimes 1,6 is lower than the actual value ^_^ 00:11:10 <Gonozal_VIII> yes but punishment doesn't change from 1,6 up 00:11:13 <Sacro> Bjarni: that all depends 00:11:18 <glx> it's still more than 3 times the limit 00:11:56 <Bjarni> I would write 4,0 and then they have to prove me wrong :P 00:12:17 <Bjarni> still lower than some Swede the police picked up in Denmark though 00:12:25 <Bjarni> naturally he was sleeping 00:12:26 <SmatZ> but all the laws are useless... from police statistics, alcohol has very little impact on number of accidents caused (percent of detected alcohol by police control vs. alcohol as cause of an accident) 00:12:28 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't matter if they write 1,6 or 4,0 for the law 00:12:50 * Sacro rings the bell 1, 3-1, and sets the line to clear 00:13:10 <Bjarni> if my phone rings in a moment then I will perm ban Sacro 00:13:20 <SmatZ> :-) 00:13:39 <Gonozal_VIII> [01:12:49] * Sacro rings the bell 1, 3-1, and sets the line to clear ?? 00:13:50 <glx> train sim I guess 00:13:54 <Sacro> glx wins! 00:13:58 <Sacro> well, signalling 00:14:10 <glx> is the line clear for real? 00:14:27 <Gonozal_VIII> less fun then 00:14:27 <Sacro> yeah 00:15:14 <ln-> Bjarni: do you have a secret phone number or something, because i was unable to find it. 00:15:17 <ln-> ? 00:15:26 <Bjarni> yes 00:15:41 <Bjarni> I don't want people to call me for OTTD tech support 00:15:51 * Sacro calls 555-BJARNI 00:16:24 * Bjarni slaps Sacro 00:16:30 <Bjarni> I'm not American 00:16:36 <Bjarni> I'm not that stupid 00:16:40 <glx> lol 00:16:57 <Bjarni> but maybe Sacro is 00:17:04 <Gonozal_VIII> and 555 numbers only exist in films 00:17:37 <SmatZ> 7,94 promile - driver of a truck :) http://zpravy.idnes.cz/krimi.asp?r=krimi&c=A050519_135015_krimi_mad 00:18:34 <Bjarni> damn 00:18:48 <Bjarni> I would fall over before reaching 2â° 00:19:10 <SmatZ> :) 00:19:15 *** flaa [~Matti@dasni2819.ulapland.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:19:19 <ln-> i wasn't able to find Tron's phone number either. 00:19:33 <Bjarni> you wanted to call Tron??? 00:19:39 <Bjarni> WHY???? 00:19:39 <SmatZ> funny things is, that after these new much more strict laws, there are more accidents and more dead people than before it 00:19:43 <SmatZ> strict laws are bad 00:19:48 <Bjarni> no 00:19:58 <ln-> Bjarni: i wanted the rest of you to call him. 00:19:59 <Bjarni> just shoot all law breakers 00:20:04 <Bjarni> then the problems will die 00:20:09 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 00:20:26 <Gonozal_VIII> problem is that strict laws don't help when they are not enforced 00:20:29 <SmatZ> so I hope I will never live in such democratic country as Denmark :) 00:21:07 <SmatZ> people break the law more at places when they suppose police cannot see them 00:21:28 <SmatZ> because they are stressed and angry from the new law 00:21:29 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: oh] 00:21:38 <Gonozal_VIII> spam the roads with cameras then 00:21:55 <SmatZ> and hire millions of policemen to watch all of them :-p 00:22:06 <Gonozal_VIII> nah, automatic 00:22:09 <Bjarni> the politicians agreed that the population don't want that 00:22:20 <SmatZ> I would never live in a country with too many cameras 00:22:27 <Bjarni> they never asked the population though 00:22:37 <Bjarni> define too many 00:22:46 <Bjarni> one aimed at all your windows? 00:23:08 <SmatZ> no... but when I go through the city, there is no moment some camera do not see me 00:23:11 <SmatZ> I do not like it 00:23:18 <SmatZ> that is not freedom 00:23:30 <Bjarni> you have a criminal mind 00:23:37 <Bjarni> they are there for your protection 00:23:49 <Bjarni> imagine that somebody steals your wallet 00:24:04 <SmatZ> then he steals my wallet... 00:24:06 <Bjarni> the cameras can detect that and give a face of the criminal 00:24:20 <Bjarni> and you have a fair chance of getting it back 00:24:26 <SmatZ> there were no cameras few years ago and I have never been robbed 00:24:44 <Bjarni> I have been robbed in the angle that the camera didn't pick up 00:24:48 <Bjarni> somehow I think they knew 00:24:52 <Bjarni> :s 00:25:36 <Bjarni> first they wanted all my money. I told them that I didn't have any on me (the truth) 00:25:44 <Bjarni> then they.... wanted my cloth o_O 00:25:49 <SmatZ> :-x 00:25:51 <Gonozal_VIII> wtf? 00:26:02 <Bjarni> until one of them said that he didn't think that they could sell it 00:26:15 <SmatZ> and finally, they were Czech, weren't they? :) 00:26:19 <Bjarni> no 00:26:27 <Bjarni> I think they came from the Middle East 00:26:34 <Bjarni> at least they looked like it 00:26:42 <Bjarni> but I didn't feel like asking 00:26:56 <SmatZ> :) 00:27:12 <Gonozal_VIII> so they didn't steal anything? 00:27:31 <Bjarni> I had the best defence ever: I didn't have anything worth stealing 00:27:41 <SmatZ> they could kill you anyway 00:27:44 *** init100 [~init@c83-250-152-190.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:27:53 <Bjarni> I only had my old worn cloth and nothing else 00:28:22 <SmatZ> I think robbers should be punished more 00:28:26 <Bjarni> <SmatZ> they could kill you anyway <-- now that would be something... being killed at 11 O'clock (during the day) at the train station 00:28:33 <SmatZ> there is nothing like 'unintentional robbery' 00:28:38 <SmatZ> :-x 00:29:00 <Gonozal_VIII> before you can punish them you have to catch them 00:29:10 <Bjarni> oh that's easy 00:29:24 <Bjarni> just go to the station and pick up the gang 00:29:35 <Bjarni> they are known criminals 00:29:40 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 00:29:46 <SmatZ> it is a bit racist 00:29:53 <Gonozal_VIII> why are they still there then? 00:29:58 <SmatZ> "they are in a gang, so they are bad" 00:30:17 <Bjarni> the newspapers calls them gangs... I just quoted them 00:30:19 <Gonozal_VIII> they were trying to rob him, so they are bad 00:30:36 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> they were trying to rob him, so they are bad <-- that's the basic idea 00:30:43 <SmatZ> yes 00:31:44 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:10 <ln-> what would you figure about this guy without trying to interpret the finnish texts: http://xs321.xs.to/xs321/07466/mustafa1.jpg 00:32:57 <SmatZ> ln-: average guy 00:32:58 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has joined #openttd 00:33:54 <Bjarni> <ln-> [...] without trying to interpret the finnish texts <-- don't ask for the impossible 00:34:07 <glx> ln-: isn't he the killer ? 00:34:11 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-145-121.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:34:26 <ln-> glx: nope 00:34:58 <SmatZ> ln-: what's so interesting about him? 00:35:17 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 00:35:22 <Bjarni> he is named Mustafa and has Finnish relatives? 00:35:22 <ln-> SmatZ: the fact that he looks like an average, non-dangerous guy. 00:35:37 <ln-> he's turkish citizen, but that's not relevant. 00:35:42 <Bjarni> he rides a moped without a helmet... he looks dangerous 00:35:58 <Bjarni> to himself 00:36:26 <Gonozal_VIII> sooooo... normal guy... what's so special about him? 00:36:40 <Bjarni> he is on the internet? 00:36:45 <Gonozal_VIII> wow 00:36:47 <SmatZ> :-D 00:36:48 <ln-> well, the newspaper article between the pics says "almost five years of prison to a man who raped a 10-year-old" 00:37:20 <Bjarni> they should keep him 00:37:24 <Bjarni> or fry him 00:37:24 <SmatZ> hmm he seems to like girls 00:37:29 <Gonozal_VIII> only five years O_o 00:37:38 <ln-> additionally, attempted to rape one adult and forced another one to sexual act, the article also says. 00:37:54 <SmatZ> hmm yes, rape is very wrong, too... but sometimes, it is very hard to prove :-x 00:37:55 <glx> and only five years? 00:38:17 <ln-> if he's a first-timer and behaves good, he'll be out after something like 2.5 years... :/ 00:38:18 <Gonozal_VIII> rapists should get that tatooed on their foreheads if they ever leave prison 00:38:19 <Bjarni> it shouldn't be hard to prove when the victim is only 10 00:38:56 <SmatZ> Bjarni: true... if you have DNA tests 00:39:22 <Bjarni> there is a case in Denmark about a pedophile being beaten up in prison.... for some reason they claim that to be illegal 00:39:38 <SmatZ> bad things about laws : they are unifying people too much, they are not dynamic 00:39:50 <SmatZ> Bjarni, it is illegal 00:40:07 <Bjarni> but it's not dishonouring to do.... 00:40:12 <SmatZ> :) 00:40:13 <glx> laws apply in prison too 00:40:32 <Gonozal_VIII> and for honorable actions 00:40:52 <SmatZ> Bjarni what kind of pedophile s/he was? like had sex with some 14-years old, very sex experienced girl? 00:41:08 <Bjarni> I have no idea 00:41:25 <Bjarni> but somebody in prison didn't like whatever he did 00:41:44 <SmatZ> that's a problem - the girl can be 14 or 4, you are still pedophile 00:42:12 <SmatZ> or ... speed limits are still the same, no matter how free/jammed streets are 00:42:23 <Bjarni> no 00:42:26 <ln-> someone interested in 14-year-old girls isn't a pedophile really. there may be another term for that, and it is still illegal to implement that interest. 00:42:33 <Bjarni> we have speed signs that changed due to traffic 00:42:44 <SmatZ> going 80 on highway in night just because sometimes 80 is safer (sometimes jams) is ... bad 00:43:22 <SmatZ> Bjarni: we have, but they are changing just 50/70 :-) it has mostly 70 if streets are not really jammed... 00:43:49 <Bjarni> ours can show more or less everything 00:44:19 <Gonozal_VIII> -10 00:44:25 <SmatZ> Bjarni: then you are more advanced... we have cameras on highways, but signs are solid usually 00:44:41 <Bjarni> also there is a law that states that you are never allowed to driver faster than the conditions allow... a blocked road means that the conditions gives a max of 0 00:44:53 <SmatZ> :-D 00:45:11 <Bjarni> so if somebody hits another car in theory they were speeding 00:45:21 *** exe [~zgibhy@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 00:45:45 <SmatZ> yeah, when you break your car because there was hole in the road, then it is your fault, because you didn't drive attentively enough... no matter it was in night without any signs 00:46:16 <glx> if there's a hole in the road then someone didn't do his job 00:46:32 <SmatZ> someone didn't have money to fix it... 00:46:41 <glx> we pay taxes for that :) 00:46:42 <Bjarni> that law applies to curved roads, fog, snow, darkness, rain... basically everything that could result the need for lower speed 00:46:48 <SmatZ> :) 00:47:03 <SmatZ> Bjarni: we have this law too 00:47:08 <ln-> Bjarni: what's your alcohol limit on rail? 00:47:15 <Bjarni> <SmatZ> yeah, when you break your car because there was hole in the road <-- this is poorly maintained roads and then the people who should maintain it has to pay because it's due to their missing work 00:47:22 <SmatZ> also, it is the most often reason for an accident :) 00:47:50 <SmatZ> Bjarni: yes, but the law says different 00:47:56 <Bjarni> <ln-> Bjarni: what's your alcohol limit on rail? <--- they changed it not long ago to state "the same as when driving a class B (normal) car" 00:48:37 <SmatZ> isn't driving a train much more responsible than driving a car, so shouldn't it have '0' limit? 00:48:57 <Bjarni> they changed it from "you are not allowed to be so drunk that people can clearly see that you are drunk" 00:49:08 <SmatZ> :-D 00:49:09 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 00:49:12 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:49:14 <Bjarni> they changed it after a train nearly ended up in the ferry landing... without a ferry in it 00:49:29 <SmatZ> :-D 00:49:35 <Gonozal_VIII> yay train ferry want that ingame 00:49:50 <SmatZ> :) 00:50:06 <Bjarni> when the train was driving too fast passed the platform (it should stop), it got two emergency brakes at the same time 00:50:11 <glx> <Gonozal_VIII> yay train ferry want that ingame <-- code it then ;) 00:50:19 <Bjarni> car crew didn't like the situation 00:50:19 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has joined #openttd 00:50:24 <SmatZ> :)))) 00:50:29 <Gonozal_VIII> can't code good enough for that 00:50:50 <ln-> last time i suggested ferries that could carry trains for OTTD, some australian told me that there are no such ferries in the world. 00:51:17 <SmatZ> :-p 00:51:24 <Gonozal_VIII> well... not for austrailian 1000000000 km long trains^^ 00:51:35 <Bjarni> that very same harbour... at one time a guy drove onto the ramp when there was no ferry and due the weight of his train (two locomotives and no cars), the cables broke and the train ended up in the water 00:51:35 <glx> they have road trains 00:51:50 <Bjarni> that was two freight engines with V20 engines 00:51:55 <Bjarni> and brand new engines 00:51:58 <Bjarni> .... not good 00:52:06 <SmatZ> :-p 00:52:12 <SmatZ> hope he was insurred 00:52:38 <glx> not worse than the A340-600 last week 00:52:46 <Bjarni> actually at that time the railroad had this policy "we don't make accidents so we will not pay for insurance" 00:52:56 <SmatZ> :-x 00:53:11 <ln-> wtf happened to the airbus? 00:53:16 <SmatZ> I wonder what happened to his family 00:53:19 <ln-> or rather: why? 00:53:19 <Bjarni> they had that policy for more than 100 years but not anymore 00:53:40 <Bjarni> what A340 incident? 00:54:38 <Gonozal_VIII> "we don't make accidents so we will not pay for insurance" <-- DB has that too 00:55:10 <Bjarni> I think it's cheaper that way 00:55:20 <Bjarni> for big railroads 00:55:54 <ln-> probably is 00:56:34 <Bjarni> small railroads needs to be insured. It's the law... you can't drive a train unless you can be sure to pay a certain amount in case of an accident and small railroads has to get help to ensure that 00:58:47 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl5402B356.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00:07 <Bjarni> anyway 01:00:09 <Bjarni> time for bed 01:00:13 <Bjarni> well way past that :P 01:00:18 <Bjarni> goodnight 01:00:20 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:03:09 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-106.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:31:30 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B779DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:32:16 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:37:57 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77ACF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:44:26 *** LucasRulz [~LucasRulz@client-86-31-56-119.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 01:45:21 *** fjb 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and 13 seconds ago: <Bjarni> goodnight 09:46:48 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 09:48:44 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-54.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 10:03:23 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 10:30:49 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 10:31:03 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:34:18 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-54.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:38:01 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:38:09 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:40:36 *** G_ is now known as G 10:48:48 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 10:51:45 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 10:54:03 <dihedral> doCommand packets are pretty small right? 10:54:25 <dihedral> would it be possible to add a byte at the end of that packet (where normal servers do not expect to read anything, and dont read it) 10:54:40 <dihedral> talking communication from client to server 10:55:12 <dihedral> so for example, the copy and paste patch could set a flag if the doCommand comes from a paste or not 10:55:16 <blathijs> I think the server would instantly drop you because you're packet is malformed 10:55:32 <dihedral> why would it be 'malformed' ? 10:55:42 <blathijs> Because it's lenght does not match its content 10:55:43 <dihedral> if it is 'after' the last expected byte 10:55:59 <blathijs> But, go on? 10:56:14 <dihedral> as far as i know the server only checks if the length is the same as the size of the content 10:56:21 <dihedral> and then does it's reading 10:56:32 <dihedral> it does not check if a packet type has a certain length 10:57:01 <dihedral> IIRC that is 10:57:22 <blathijs> I would expect you to be wrong, but I have hardly ever looked at the network code :-) 10:57:30 <blathijs> But do go on about what you want to do :-) 10:57:38 <dihedral> Rubidium: my network guru - can you give a hand? 10:58:01 <dihedral> i want to ask Frostregen to set a flag at the end of a doCommand packet 10:58:11 <dihedral> if the doCommand was constructed by the copy and paste patch 10:58:27 <dihedral> and the flag is not set, if the command was constructed by using the tools oneself 10:58:42 <dihedral> that way - a server could check if someone is pasting or building by hand 10:58:43 <Frostregen> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=25037&p=440743#p440743 10:58:55 <Frostregen> i made a note 10:59:24 <dihedral> yes, but that does not stop people :-P 10:59:27 <Frostregen> any of those changes can easily be removed 10:59:38 <Frostregen> it is ottd not cs ;) 11:00:14 <dihedral> but if you set a flag and we (ottd) read that flag 11:00:25 <dihedral> and if 'normal' servers would not pay attention to that flag 11:00:28 <dihedral> all would be goo 11:00:29 <dihedral> d 11:00:47 <Frostregen> it would be more easy to change the revision string 11:00:48 <dihedral> as for example, we could allow c/p then on the sandbox, disallow on ps games 11:00:50 <Frostregen> which ammler suggested 11:00:59 <dihedral> the revision string is too simple 11:01:02 <dihedral> and affects all games 11:01:11 <dihedral> i.e. i dont mind people useing c/p on my own servers 11:01:15 <Frostregen> oh 11:01:30 <Frostregen> currently you could do the following: 11:01:33 <dihedral> and i dont think it is a ceat 11:01:34 <Frostregen> patch the server 11:01:48 <Frostregen> set paste-speed to slowest value 11:01:53 <Frostregen> thus making c&p useless 11:01:59 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 11:02:19 <dihedral> but the paste speed on the server has nothing to do with the speed a client sends it's doCommands 11:02:29 <Frostregen> yes it has 11:02:35 <dihedral> is it a server setting? 11:02:38 <Frostregen> yup 11:02:41 <dihedral> nice 11:03:09 <Frostregen> (but can be circumvented too, but not as easy as revision string) 11:03:09 <dihedral> can that 'paste speed' be 0? i.e. dont paste? or disable pasting 11:03:13 *** oh is now known as oh_ 11:03:23 <dihedral> yes - of course it can be 11:03:26 <dihedral> anything can be 11:03:42 <Frostregen> currently it can only be set to very very slow 11:03:44 <dihedral> but it's a step towards a goal 11:03:48 <Gonozal_VIII> wouldn't say it's useless when it's very slow, you can paste a station entry or something and while it builds build the connection to the other station 11:04:00 <Frostregen> try it :D 11:04:13 <dihedral> Frostregen: explain the 'very very slow' setting please 11:04:32 <Frostregen> i can't remember the max setting 11:04:48 <Frostregen> something like one command every 20-60 ticks 11:06:12 <Frostregen> 200 is the maximum value 11:06:18 <Frostregen> 1 command every 200 ticks 11:06:45 <Gonozal_VIII> ok, that's very slow^^ 11:08:20 <dihedral> can you include 0 or -1 for no pasting? 11:08:30 <dihedral> as copying is ok i think 11:09:45 <dihedral> as i dont think one can abort an ongoing paste, right? 11:10:00 <Frostregen> by disconnecting 11:10:04 <Frostregen> from the server 11:10:34 <Frostregen> hmm, ok 11:10:51 <Frostregen> should be easily possible. will be included in next release 11:10:58 <dihedral> well - then i guess a 0 or -1 value for paste speed is easier 11:11:09 <Gonozal_VIII> 0 = no delay, 254 = crawling slow, 255 = off :-) 11:11:44 <Frostregen> is there a comparable patch setting? 11:12:04 <Frostregen> which displays numbers, and some text fpr a specific value? 11:12:12 <dihedral> dont think there is :-( afaik 11:12:24 <dihedral> double knotted :-P 11:12:46 <Frostregen> then 255 will be off 11:12:51 <Frostregen> for a first go 11:13:18 <Frostregen> hehe, my simple track switcher ist still building =) 11:13:40 <dihedral> LOL 11:14:38 <dihedral> Frostregen: could you make a server side patch, that will only have the setting and nothing else? 11:14:48 <Frostregen> yup, thought about it 11:14:51 <dihedral> :-) 11:15:03 <dihedral> thank you very much - i really appreciate it :-) 11:15:17 <dihedral> uh - and dont mention it in the change log :-P 11:15:20 <Frostregen> :) 11:15:29 <Frostregen> i'll just leave the note 11:15:35 <dihedral> yes 11:15:38 <dihedral> :-) 11:15:47 <dihedral> word will spread fast enough as it is :-P 11:15:48 <Gonozal_VIII> i think i still have some old layouts from miniin somewhere on my hd, are they compatible? 11:15:56 <Frostregen> yes 11:16:08 <Frostregen> the format did not change since beginning 11:16:13 <Gonozal_VIII> nice :-) 11:16:31 <Frostregen> i think 11:16:32 <Frostregen> =) 11:16:33 <dihedral> :-D 11:16:34 <dihedral> lol 11:17:03 <Frostregen> but it has to... 11:17:15 <Frostregen> 2 different signals on one tile 11:17:26 <Frostregen> but nobody noticed so far ;) 11:18:03 <Frostregen> ok, off for work 11:18:04 <Frostregen> cya 11:18:32 <dihedral> cu 11:18:37 <dihedral> and thanks again :-) 11:21:51 <Gonozal_VIII> 2 different signals on one tile <-- what how where since when :O didn't notice that 11:22:19 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-99-161.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 11:23:33 <Gonozal_VIII> i was so used to that restriction that i didn't even try 11:24:12 <dihedral> that sounds like 2 diagonal tracks on one tile with 2 different signals then 11:24:28 <dihedral> where only one signal type was possible before... 11:24:36 <Gonozal_VIII> yes :-) 11:24:37 <dihedral> heh - never noticed either 11:24:50 <dihedral> never even read a log message about that on svn 11:26:44 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-52-42.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:28:18 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has joined #openttd 11:33:35 <Gonozal_VIII> i know why i didn't notice... i got used to building all signals on diagonal tracks only on the right or lower halftiles 11:33:47 <dihedral> :-P 11:36:11 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 11:40:28 <dihedral> i will be able to have a 10.3.9 os x system tomorrow or the day after to test building 11:43:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7EEA0.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:49:03 <Gonozal_VIII> "So I right clicked the executable..." <-- how is it possible to right click with only one mouse button? 11:51:04 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i59F7F61A.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:15 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 12:00:38 <Gonozal_VIII> digging out an old thread to write about borg cubes that carry trains... there are some strange people on the forum^^ 12:06:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DFCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:06:36 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-99-161.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:06:59 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.184.124] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:12:02 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:12:29 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-163-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:12:56 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.184.124] has joined #openttd 12:13:17 <dihedral> Gonozal_VIII: 1. macs can use any usb mouse 12:13:25 <dihedral> 2. macs can do command+click 12:13:30 <dihedral> i.e. right click 12:14:14 <Gonozal_VIII> not nice to use both hands for an action that would require a single finger 12:14:36 <dihedral> you say that to women too? 12:14:55 <dihedral> sorry - slightly below belt line there 12:16:37 <dihedral> Gonozal_VIII: you mostly dont need a rightclick anyway 12:17:12 <dihedral> and a mighty mouse has a few more buttons to press 12:17:44 <Gonozal_VIII> but i see lots of macs with a mouse that has nothing but a single large button 12:17:53 <Gonozal_VIII> i wouldn't want that 12:18:47 <dihedral> yes - on laptops 12:18:49 <Gonozal_VIII> no scrollwheel, no rightclick no open-link-in-tab-mousewheel-click... 12:19:32 <dihedral> you scroll using 2 fingers on the mousepad 12:19:37 <dihedral> touch pad - sorry 12:20:01 <dihedral> on laptops the button is also close enough to the command key so you only need one hand 12:22:07 <Gonozal_VIII> my touchpad has right and left mousebutton and scroll buttons for x and y axis... 12:22:34 <dihedral> using 2 fingers on the touch pad i can scroll smovly in any direction i want 12:23:14 <Gonozal_VIII> how does that work with 2 fingers? 12:24:33 <Gonozal_VIII> if i use 2 fingers there, the cursor jumps around 12:25:09 <dihedral> it's a mac 12:25:30 <dihedral> and if it does not work on yours you have a pretty old mac 12:25:40 <dihedral> if you have a mac at all 12:26:01 <Gonozal_VIII> no not a mac but i can't imagine how you would use 2 fingers 12:26:21 <dihedral> what is there not to understand? 12:26:51 <Gonozal_VIII> you place 2 fingers on the touchpad... ok... how does that lead to scrolling? 12:27:00 <dihedral> driver? 12:27:17 <Gonozal_VIII> yes but how do you move your fingers? 12:27:27 <dihedral> both in the same direction 12:27:47 <Gonozal_VIII> aaah 12:29:16 <dihedral> :-P 12:31:04 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 12:41:06 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4D3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:44:53 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:49:18 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has joined #openttd 12:50:38 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:55:58 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B043229.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:57:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r11483 /trunk/src/ (map.cpp pathfind.cpp): -Codechange: Replace codeparts with functions that do the same to increase readability 12:59:34 <dihedral> go go go skidd13 13:00:36 <skidd13> dihedral: wrong game ;) 13:02:40 <dihedral> :-D 13:02:44 <dihedral> skidd13: do you play ET? 13:03:53 <skidd13> dihedral: Nope 13:04:38 <dihedral> :-( 13:04:47 <dihedral> c'mon :-P 13:04:54 <dihedral> you know you like shooting :-D 13:05:23 <skidd13> I played MOHAA a while ago and sk-gaming offered me a place in their team... You'd lose :P 13:08:01 <dihedral> :-D 13:08:08 <dihedral> that's beside the point 13:08:28 <dihedral> and skidd13 if i lose i learn 13:08:37 <dihedral> so i actually win again :-D 13:09:27 <skidd13> No further discussion! Or you'll learn what the kick command is able to do ;) :P 13:10:14 <skidd13> This room is about OpenTTD and not ET! 13:10:43 <dihedral> kicks dont scare me - TB used to kick me occansionally :-P 13:11:16 <skidd13> Hmm what about the ban command :P 13:11:27 <dihedral> and my aim was not to move to ET, my aim is more to have a game of something else with guys from ottd :-) 13:11:44 *** mode/#openttd [+o skidd13] by ChanServ 13:11:44 <dihedral> skidd13: a ban is up to you - still would not scare me 13:12:09 <skidd13> Hmm IMO an ignore would be enough for me :P 13:12:14 <dihedral> lol 13:12:29 <dihedral> sometimes 'power' does strange things to people does it not? 13:12:29 * skidd13 ignores dihedral :P 13:13:03 <dihedral> :-P 13:13:14 * dihedral ignores skidd13 ignoring him 13:13:15 <skidd13> come on the dark side young fellow 13:13:35 <dihedral> neva 13:13:38 <dihedral> :-P 13:13:51 <skidd13> :D That's enough.... 13:15:23 <dihedral> you getting annoyed with me? 13:16:19 <skidd13> Do you have any real friends or just some on IRC... Find a girlfriend is my advice (this time for free) 13:16:28 <dihedral> LOL 13:16:39 * dihedral pats skidd13 on the head 13:21:18 <dihedral> i am at work - and i think it would be too obviouse if i sat in some cornor with my friends :-P 13:31:00 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-230-66.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:36:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r11484 /trunk/src/ (45 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Remove the doubled function SetBitT and rename the remaining to fit with the naming style 13:37:41 <dihedral> skidd13: what was the renameing you renamed? 13:38:27 <skidd13> SETBIT -> SetBit and SetBitT -> SetBit then remove SetBitT :D 13:41:45 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:41:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:46:09 <dihedral> lol 13:46:15 <dihedral> what does the T at the end stand for? 13:47:47 <hylje> a capitalized t 13:48:14 * dihedral spaps hylje 13:48:15 <dihedral> :-P 13:48:21 <dihedral> nice type dih 13:48:23 <dihedral> well done 13:48:29 <dihedral> yes - perfect 13:48:35 * dihedral pats himself on the shoulder 13:49:46 <TheMask96> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/spap 13:50:04 <TheMask96> it is actually something, to spap ;) 13:54:38 <hylje> yayt 14:01:05 <dihedral> skidd13: are you then just applying the codeing guideline or ore you up to something else too? 14:02:11 <skidd13> dihedral: please be patient and stop asking me all the questions you'll see! 14:02:33 <dihedral> lol 14:02:59 <dihedral> 5 commits and already stressed :-( 14:03:27 <hylje> :p 14:03:38 <hylje> well maybe thats because you keep poking him 14:03:55 * dihedral starts pocking hylje instead 14:04:19 <dihedral> i actually have not pocked him an awful lot 14:04:24 <hylje> c c c c 14:06:10 <dihedral> yes 14:06:12 <dihedral> :-S 14:06:22 <dihedral> s/pocking/poking/ 14:07:41 <hylje> http://www.planebuzz.com/2007/11/we_knew_this_was_going_to_happ.html 14:11:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r11485 /trunk/src/ (15 files): -Codechange: Remove the doubled function ToggleBitT and rename the remaining to fit with the naming style 14:26:02 * dihedral assumes skidd13 has some log message template :-P 14:28:24 *** exe_ [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:33:39 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6D46.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:37:51 <dihedral> hello Osai 14:41:38 <orudge> !seen peter1138 14:41:56 <orudge> or not 14:42:22 <Rubidium> @seen peter1138 14:42:22 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: peter1138 was last seen in #openttd 9 weeks, 2 days, 23 hours, 51 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <peter1138> _minime_, looks good to me 14:42:40 <orudge> hm 14:42:50 <dihedral> uh 14:43:05 <dihedral> hello orudge 14:43:10 <dihedral> hello Rubidium 14:43:14 * dihedral waves 14:43:14 <orudge> Hello dihedral 14:47:18 <TheMask96> 9 weeks?... thats a long time for a holiday... 14:49:34 <dihedral> i was thinking the same thing 14:59:27 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-106.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:02:32 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 15:02:43 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has left #openttd [] 15:06:15 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-106.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 15:06:42 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E789.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:06:47 <fjb> Moin 15:07:15 <dihedral> hi 15:07:49 <fjb> Oh, smebody is alive and awake. :-) 15:07:57 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4D3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 15:12:32 <fjb> Too bad that you can not build a station on a bridge... :-( 15:13:13 *** oh_ [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: oh_] 15:16:29 <Sacro> indeed 15:16:33 <Sacro> we need a new map array 15:16:46 <fjb> Is there a way to measure the distance between two tiles? 15:17:07 <Rubidium> fjb: yes, somewhere under configure patches 15:17:29 <fjb> I thought somebody is working on a new map array. I saw a picture with trains circling in a tunnel with signals. 15:27:48 <hylje> fjb: pythagora? 15:28:50 <Belugas> not the new map array. just a new feature. 15:29:31 <Belugas> new map array means a new way of organizing the map, and not just another byte/whatever the size 15:29:53 <hylje> well you gotta push that tunnel somewhere 15:34:34 *** strongfrakk [~frakk@62.77.209.74] has joined #openttd 15:34:39 <fjb> hylje: I thought my computer could do the math for me... :-) 15:35:48 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35:59 <fjb> You need some kind of "stacking" when you want to build tunnels with signals and switches. 15:36:14 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 15:38:28 <Belugas> that and a good gui change ^_^ 15:39:53 <dihedral> hey Belugas :-) 15:40:54 <Belugas> hello Diabolic-Angel 15:40:56 <Belugas> ops... 15:41:02 <Belugas> hello dihedral 15:41:05 <Belugas> sorry 15:41:15 <fjb> :-) 15:41:53 <fjb> Hm, you need a gui where you can select a laer. How does locomotion do it? 15:42:33 <Belugas> i don't want to know :) 15:42:51 <Belugas> i would rather see original new approaches 15:43:55 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:43:58 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 15:44:13 <Bjarni> anybody in here who knows SQL? 15:44:27 * fjb does know it a bit. 15:44:34 <Bjarni> good :) 15:44:53 <Belugas> i know it too 15:44:55 <Bjarni> SELECT DISTINCT * FROM pc i, pc j WHERE i.RAM = j.RAM AND i.speed = j.speed AND i.model != j.model; <-- how do I make it show i,j, but not j,i? 15:44:57 <fjb> Don't know if good enough... 15:45:04 <Bjarni> it shows the same pair twice :( 15:46:39 <fjb> Hm, moment, I'm not ggod enough to geve a short answer. Maybe you should do e select distinct on the result. 15:46:48 <fjb> Kind of nested select. 15:47:15 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 15:47:15 <Bjarni> hmm 15:47:35 <fjb> It's not possible with all databases. Maybe a virtual or temporarly table could do it. 15:47:37 <dihedral> SELECT i.* FROM pc i INNER JOIN pc j ON i.ram = j.ram AND i.speed = j.speed WHERE i.model != j.model 15:48:19 <SmatZ> hello 15:48:22 <dihedral> hi 15:48:31 <Bjarni> hi SmatZ 15:48:36 <Bjarni> dihedral: that didn't work 15:48:49 <dihedral> then just use i.* instead of * in your select 15:48:49 <Belugas> damnd.... dihedral beat me 15:48:55 <SmatZ> hi dihedral , evening Bjarni :) 15:49:04 <Rubidium> Bjarni: don't those items have a unique ID or so? 15:49:25 <Rubidium> then just do i.ID < j.ID and you should only have one instance of each pair 15:49:29 <Bjarni> model is the unique ID 15:49:40 <Bjarni> good idea :) 15:50:02 <Bjarni> that works 15:50:50 <Bjarni> the answer is always more simple than you expect when you get stuck :s 15:51:11 <Rubidium> that reminds me of physics 15:51:53 * Rubidium always used way too many functions and such to compute something (the answer was usually right though) 15:52:16 *** strongfrakk [~frakk@62.77.209.74] has left #openttd [] 15:52:37 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:04 <Bjarni> Rubidium: a ball is at location 0 at time 0 and it's at location 1 meter at time 1s. How would you calculate the speed? :) 15:53:57 * Bjarni looks forward to seeing differential equations 15:54:24 <Rubidium> Bjarni: you can't 15:54:30 <SmatZ> Bjarni: ^_^ in 1D space? 15:54:44 <Bjarni> yeah... it's a 1D question 15:55:21 <hylje> we have no idea whether it is accelerating or at static speed 15:55:22 <Rubidium> it could've been stationary for a while and then start moving, or it could be decelerating 15:55:42 <Bjarni> you are already making this too complex :P 15:55:48 <SmatZ> :) 15:55:48 <Bjarni> but in a sane way 15:56:02 <Bjarni> if you just wrote a number then I would have said stuff like that 15:56:03 <Bjarni> :P 15:56:35 <SmatZ> if it has constant acceleration and speed(t=0) = 0, then you can use the well-known s=a*t^2/2 15:57:07 <Bjarni> I like this one. "A rock is thrown into the air (completely vertically) and at time 0 it has a speed of 30 m/s. What is the speed at time 3s and how high will it go?" 15:57:07 <Rubidium> Bjarni: the answer is either 42 or e 15:57:16 <Bjarni> we had that when I was 16 or something 15:57:16 <fjb> I would say the speed is 1m/s. 15:57:36 <Bjarni> more than half the class wanted the rock to increase speed and then they couldn't figure out how high it would go before returning 15:58:23 <SmatZ> Bjarni: about the rock... acceleration is constant, g=-9,81 m/s.s ... so after 3 sec, is has 0,57m/s speed 15:58:25 <SmatZ> doesn't it? 15:59:00 <Bjarni> sounds right 15:59:11 <Bjarni> I didn't actually calculate the numbers I just made up 15:59:21 <Bjarni> I could if I bothered :P 15:59:29 <SmatZ> ah... and how high... s=a*t^2/2 + v0 * t :) = -9,81*4,5+90 ~ 45m 16:02:59 <Bjarni> I get 45,82m 16:04:01 <Bjarni> in this example there is no loss of energy so 0,5*m*v^2=m*g*h and you can divide with m on both sides (assuming the mass of the rock is different from 0) 16:04:11 <Bjarni> and then it's a fairly simple equation 16:04:46 <Bjarni> both solutions should produce the same result 16:04:50 <SmatZ> yes 16:05:26 <SmatZ> Bjarni: ah... you mean the maximum height it gets 16:11:52 <hylje> sqrt(2gh) 16:12:12 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:13:15 <Bjarni> <SmatZ> Bjarni: ah... you mean the maximum height it gets <-- yeah... you could also say the location where speed is 0 16:13:26 <Bjarni> well, I went back to SQL 16:14:03 <dihedral> when it it's the ground again 16:14:05 <dihedral> :-P 16:14:43 <Bjarni> luckily this example is so simple that it will not hit the ground 16:15:02 <Bjarni> not very realistic but simple to calculate 16:23:14 <Bjarni> now I have two tables with just a single object (an int) and they are called the same. How do I merge them into a table containing all of them? 16:23:20 <Bjarni> (still SQL) 16:23:47 <Sacro> CREATE VIEW? 16:24:34 <SpComb> what was this thing about paused openttd servers not using up CPU? 16:25:26 <hylje> join 16:26:49 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7E26.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:27:24 <Bjarni> I don't see how CREATE VIEW can solve this task :( 16:28:04 <Sacro> oh 16:28:12 <Sacro> well it depends if you want to copy them into a new table 16:28:14 <Sacro> or just link them 16:30:11 <Bjarni> now the really good question is... what do I really want? :) 16:34:32 <Sacro> i use joins and i use views 16:34:37 <Sacro> depending on the circumstance 16:35:34 <Bjarni> well 16:36:22 <Bjarni> basically I want a table containing both of them but with only one int, not two as normal join would give 16:36:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DFCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:17 <Sacro> how do you want to combine them? ocncatenate? 16:37:36 <Bjarni> like one long list 16:38:05 <Bjarni> basically I just want all tuples in the same table without modifying them 16:38:40 <Sacro> should be possible 16:39:04 <Bjarni> this is not theory... HOW? 16:39:05 <Bjarni> :) 16:39:14 <dihedral> do they not have id's 16:39:16 *** exe_ [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 16:39:59 <Sacro> heh 16:40:01 <Bjarni> they have unique ints and they are used as IDs (I think) 16:40:22 *** exe_ [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 16:40:27 <dihedral> well - have a table with 2 fields 16:44:14 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:35 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has joined #openttd 16:51:19 <Bjarni> you guys are not really helpful right now 16:51:26 <Bjarni> nor is the book or the faq :( 16:52:10 <SmatZ> :-( 16:52:27 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:53:38 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-99-161.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 16:54:10 <Bjarni> ahh now I figured out how 16:54:30 <Bjarni> INSERT INTO a (SELECT * FROM b); 16:54:35 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-234-99.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 16:54:37 <Bjarni> that inserts everything from b into a 16:58:02 <dihedral> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/insert-select.html 16:59:23 <Bjarni> that looks kind of like what I figured out on my own 16:59:41 <Bjarni> except the docs has more advanced usage for this feature 16:59:44 <dihedral> gues what 16:59:51 <Wezz6400> oooh 17:00:00 * Wezz6400 just found out 0.6.0-beta1 is out 17:00:01 <dihedral> that page will have more stuff of what you _could_ figure out on your own 17:00:18 <dihedral> but you _could_ also just read up on it :-P 17:00:28 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:00:42 <Bjarni> actually I already read stuff on that site but I didn't find this page :/ 17:01:22 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-235-144.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:49 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02:27 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-008-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has 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source code 17:33:35 <Bjarni> but 17:33:41 <Bjarni> what is MyOTTD? 17:33:48 <Bjarni> a fork? 17:34:00 <SpComb> the current next-big-step is to kill the console/udp-based interaction with OpenTTD, and replace it with an IPC protocol + my own control code in OpenTTD 17:34:02 <SpComb> myottd.net 17:34:16 <SpComb> front page's a bit slow because caching is for weak people 17:34:20 <Brianetta> The carbon-metabolizing physical presence that currently houses my conscious and those physical manefestations of my comrades all possess as our common residential abode the interior of a mid-visible spectrum double hulled buoyancy controlled ship of war 17:34:25 <Brianetta> a yello submarine 17:34:25 <Brianetta> a yello submarine 17:35:15 <Bjarni> none of the servers has any clients :P 17:35:21 <SpComb> what a silly way to word "We all live in a yellow submarine" 17:35:37 <Sacro> Brianetta: i like it 17:35:44 <Brianetta> Not guilty: http://qdb.us/7848 17:35:46 <SpComb> Bjarni: there's one or two servers with clients on them every now and then, and quite a few of them have companies, some of which may even be turning a profit 17:35:54 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host91-236-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:36:03 <SpComb> but indeed, it's alpha, and I don't really intend for people to be using it that much 17:36:11 <SpComb> esp. as with how little time I've had recently to work on it 17:36:47 <Wolf01> hello 17:37:14 <Sacro> lo Wolf01 17:37:43 <SpComb> I've also started a project with a couple friends of mine to co-lo our own hardware out and then use it as a shared server, MyOTTD would be one of the things I'd run on it 17:38:04 <SpComb> and one of the reasons that I started said shared-server-project 17:39:05 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7E26.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 17:40:05 <SpComb> giving up on the console-based approach would mean that MyOTTD would go even further from a general purpose web-based OpenTTD controller to a specialized myottd.net thing, but hmm 17:42:40 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:46:07 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50:50 <Sacro> SpComb: use the AGPL! 17:51:05 <SpComb> I probably will, and not just for MyOTTD 17:51:14 <SpComb> but that's not really what I'm bothered about at the moment 17:53:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:59:16 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 18:00:24 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-152-50-202.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:00:28 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-152-50-202.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:01:24 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-152-50-202.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 18:11:11 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:11:19 *** Farden 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#openttd 18:42:46 <chu_> Belugas: are you there? 18:43:58 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 18:44:18 *** oh is now known as oh_ 18:52:08 <chu_> can me someone explain, what that means: 18:52:10 <chu_> Industry *i = new (index) Industry(); 18:52:40 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:53:31 <BigBB> what exactly? the "new" ? 18:54:34 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 18:54:59 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:55:18 <chu_> BigBB: the entire expression 18:55:51 <chu_> i have learned, that "new ClassName()" creates a new instance of "ClassName" on the heap 18:56:11 <chu_> but what does the "(index)" does in that construct? 18:56:24 *** Diabolic1Angel is now known as Diabolic-Angel 18:57:03 <chu_> (btw. it's from industry_cmd.cpp:2341) 18:57:10 <BigBB> new/delete you allocate a new variable/delete a variable; Industry *i pointer 'i' from type Industry and Industry() the value 18:57:26 <BigBB> it's c++ 18:57:27 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 18:59:50 <chu_> BigBB: ok. that would be my understanding too, if there was no (index) 19:00:03 <chu_> but there is (index) 19:03:20 <LeviathNL> I think it makes an a new object of class Industry and stores the pointer to it in *i 19:05:01 <LeviathNL> and index is the typedef of a pointer 19:06:21 <chu_> but index is defined as "int index" shortly before that line 19:06:38 <chu_> so index is a variable and no type 19:07:21 <chu_> i have never seen a construct like that before, and i have seen a lot code recently at work *G* 19:09:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:13:43 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:15:29 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has joined #openttd 19:19:14 <Rubidium> chu_: it's an overload for the 'new' parameter. 19:19:28 <Rubidium> the 'normal' new parameter just allocates a piece of memory 19:19:40 <Rubidium> the overloaded new operator gets some memory from a memory pool 19:20:18 <Rubidium> and (suprisingly) it gets the memory of the indexth entry of the memorypool 19:22:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> i would search for a "operatornew" function 19:22:54 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6D46.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 19:29:24 <fjb> Did anybody break the road vehicle refitting between r 11445 and r11474? All cargos are transportated in a box in r11474, e.g. oel. In r11445 it is transported in a tanker, like it should be. 19:29:49 <fjb> I happens with Long Vehicles 4. 19:34:10 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6D46.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:34:28 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6D46.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 19:42:00 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-158-173.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:43:00 <fjb> The bug still exists in r11485. 19:45:44 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-157-219.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:45:44 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-146-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:54 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 19:46:08 <fjb> Can anybody confirm that bug? 19:50:53 <Rubidium> fjb: I think George can 19:52:54 <chu_> Rubidium: ah. thanks 19:54:44 <fjb> It's the same grf. It is working in r11445 and not working in r11474. 19:55:09 *** KaareMai [~MaXx@0x55530063.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 19:55:21 <KaareMai> Is there any way to remove grf's from a scenario?? 19:56:20 <Rubidium> load the scenario editor -> (some of the drop down menus at the top) -> newgrf settings 19:56:41 <KaareMai> Thanks :) 19:56:43 <Rubidium> *but* it might be that the scenario does not work correctly once you remove them 19:56:57 <KaareMai> It's just some train sets and such 19:57:17 *** chu_ [~chu@250.255.80.212.static.versanetonline.de] has quit [Quit: bye] 19:57:32 <Rubidium> fjb: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=642429#p642429 <- as I said, George can 19:58:22 <fjb> Rubidium: Ok, sory, I missunderstood you. Any idea where the problem is? 20:00:04 <Rubidium> yes, but I've got no idea how to solve it; not my alley 20:01:31 <fjb> Ok 20:14:05 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@h2n2fls308o838.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:17:33 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 20:20:34 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:52 *** Stoffe [~mirc@h2n2fls308o838.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:52 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 20:27:46 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30:25 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:32:06 <Sacro> rawr 20:42:20 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42:21 *** Vini [~gmvini@blk-7-174-245.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 20:43:06 <Vini> hi 20:43:44 <glx> fjb: I know why it happens, but I don't know how to fix it yet (btw it's caused by 11450) 20:44:57 <fjb> Why was it too early in the first place? 20:46:42 <Vini> uhm. got a question. i want to login and take a lok at the oublic server but cant find the password. on the web it says that it should be on the public server page. but i cant find it for some reason 20:46:56 <Vini> oh dear god. sorry for all of the typos... 20:48:32 <fjb> Which server are you talking about? 20:48:39 <Vini> Public Server 20:49:01 <fjb> There are many public servers. 20:49:02 <Vini> the .6.0 beta1 20:49:24 <Vini> "#openttdcoop - The Public Server (openttdcoop.ppcis.org) (0.6.0-beta1)" 20:49:38 <Vini> ok. wrong channel ey 20:49:43 <Vini> :| 20:49:48 <fjb> :-) 20:50:06 <Vini> yea. for some reason i'm slow today... 20:50:49 <Bjarni> we didn't notice any change in your behaviour :P 20:51:00 <Vini> uh huh 20:51:25 <Vini> thxnks for all your help :) 20:51:30 <Bjarni> in fact... who are you? :) 20:51:58 <Vini> Me? Just some n00b who likes ttd 20:52:04 <Bjarni> ok 20:52:29 <Vini> used to play it way back. and now liking openttd very much 20:53:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DFCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:53:05 <glx> <fjb> Why was it too early in the first place? <-- because it was done during initialisation and action7 are not handled then, causing use of wrong translation table for given climate 20:53:14 *** KaareMai [~MaXx@0x55530063.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]] 20:53:15 <Belugas> if i'm not mistaken, going on #openttdcoop, and typing !password will give you what you need, Vini 20:53:36 <Vini> thanks. already found that. 21:01:23 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Quit: Getting off stoned server - dircproxy 1.0.5] 21:01:57 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 21:01:58 <fjb> glx: Thank you. 21:03:50 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 21:04:47 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 21:05:18 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 21:10:46 <Wolf01> 'night 21:10:49 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host91-236-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:14:22 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 21:15:50 *** chu_ [~chu@250.255.80.212.static.versanetonline.de] has joined #openttd 21:15:53 <chu_> re 21:16:03 <chu_> belugas? 21:17:00 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 21:17:42 <Belugas> there 21:19:01 <Belugas> chu_? 21:19:35 <chu_> i just type a reply to the enhancement-request you closed recently 21:25:02 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.107] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:25:20 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.107] has joined #openttd 21:30:36 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 21:32:07 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180067170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:32:23 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5D29.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:32:44 *** Priski- [priski@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 21:33:05 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:05 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 21:33:06 *** Priski [priski@xob.kapsi.fi] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 21:33:06 *** Priski- is now known as Priski 21:33:09 *** DorpsGek` [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 21:33:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek`] by ChanServ 21:35:02 *** DorpsGek` is now known as DorpsGek 21:37:07 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 21:41:34 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:18 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 21:44:58 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 21:48:14 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 21:51:37 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5D29.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 21:55:39 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 21:59:44 *** oh_ [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: oh_] 22:04:16 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... 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(without password) 23:23:31 <Ammler> like dihedral.de 23:23:35 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 23:23:39 <dihedral> ? 23:23:40 <Peter1986> does it have trams? 23:23:42 <dihedral> Peter1986: wow 23:23:50 <dihedral> that is a surprise to see you :-) 23:24:01 <Peter1986> hm :) 23:24:06 <Peter1986> xD 23:24:08 <Peter1986> lol 23:24:12 <Ammler> you know each other? 23:24:13 <Peter1986> nice :) 23:24:25 <Peter1986> i'm playing recently on servers sometimes... 23:24:34 <Peter1986> but i always miss the trams :\ 23:24:36 <dihedral> not on mine sofar 23:24:48 <Peter1986> you are German, right? 23:24:51 <dihedral> Peter1986: i am about to upgrade to 0.6.0-beta1 23:24:53 <dihedral> yes 23:25:08 <Peter1986> what version do you run? ah... 0.6.0beta1 23:25:10 <Peter1986> i have it 23:25:11 <dihedral> and i am planing on useing grf's to make use of new features 23:25:20 <Peter1986> will you include generic trams? :) 23:25:27 <dihedral> 'about to upgrade' is the trick on that one 23:25:36 <Ammler> :) 23:25:40 <dihedral> i would love to include one tramset or another 23:25:44 <Peter1986> cause generic trams were developed to be 'generic' :) 23:25:53 <dihedral> LOL 23:26:05 <dihedral> what landscape do you like playing 23:26:08 <Peter1986> it's purpose is to be the basic tramset 23:26:10 <Ammler> dihedral: its in the pack 23:26:16 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A726E.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 23:26:19 <dihedral> good 23:26:34 <Peter1986> i like all type... 23:26:56 <dihedral> k 23:27:11 <dihedral> you like competative of peacefully quite games? 23:27:33 <Peter1986> if i were the 'big Boss' i will include the generic trams and add it to newgrfs by default, so if you download it, you already have trams (of course if the author of trams agree) 23:27:57 <Peter1986> when the Miniin existed, i like to cooperate with the othr companies :) 23:28:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DFCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28:05 <Peter1986> 6 company using same mainline 23:28:05 *** oh is now known as oh_ 23:28:07 <Peter1986> lol 23:28:13 <dihedral> then you want wwottdgd 23:28:21 <dihedral> :-D 23:28:25 <Peter1986> i don't know that... 23:28:30 <Peter1986> what's that? :D 23:28:38 <dihedral> World Wide OpenTTD Game Day 23:28:46 <dihedral> search wiki.openttd.org 23:28:47 <Ammler> :) 23:29:00 <Peter1986> OTTD wiki write about it? 23:29:06 <dihedral> or actaully http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/WWOTTDGD 23:29:07 <Gonozal_VIII> or you just look for some nice people and host yourself 23:29:26 <dihedral> Gonozal_VIII: an instance of himself ;-D 23:30:27 <Peter1986> lol i have a p4 laptop... 23:30:38 <Peter1986> and no money to rent a server... 23:30:48 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't have to be a server 23:30:54 <Peter1986> and i'm not in campus... i live at home :] 23:30:59 <Ammler> Peter1986: and check #openttdcoop 23:31:12 <Peter1986> i'm not good enough to do that 23:31:19 <Gonozal_VIII> i play a lot with some of my friends and i host with my amd sempron laptop 23:31:47 <Peter1986> i'm Hungarian... from East Europe, so i like rusty old crappy things, old 40-50 years old vehicles, never replace it, and 'realistic' things 23:31:56 <Ammler> yeah, the server isn't the problem , its more the network speed 23:31:56 <Peter1986> i hate destroying big mountains 23:32:46 <Peter1986> so i never level too bigammount of terrian... 23:33:01 <Peter1986> i instead climb up, and climb down, or use small tunnels etc. 23:33:03 <Peter1986> :) 23:33:32 <dihedral> feel welcome on any openttd.dihedral.de / Fair Play <something> :-) 23:33:37 <Gonozal_VIII> you should try the serbian rail set :-) 23:34:10 <dihedral> and if you meed one who's nick starts with S and ends with irkoZ and he should bother you - just jot me a note :-P 23:34:23 <Peter1986> hehehe :) 23:34:36 <Peter1986> sadly, Hungarian trains aren't made as grf yet... 23:34:43 <dihedral> make them 23:35:02 <Peter1986> why? SirkoZ is not bothering... he's okay person :) 23:35:21 <Peter1986> lol i can't draw bmps that good... 23:35:27 <dihedral> thanks - i was trying to keep google away 23:35:32 <Peter1986> i'm a lamer :) 23:35:51 <dihedral> :-P 23:36:01 <dihedral> just he has his moments ;-) 23:36:12 <Peter1986> so, nowdays, you're using 0.6.0beta1 right? 23:36:14 <Phazorx> take 3: night dihedral 23:36:22 <dihedral> night Phazorx, lol 23:36:28 <dihedral> no - i am about to upgrade 23:36:32 <Peter1986> goodnight :) 23:36:37 <Phazorx> i can see what you meant by gradual now 23:36:47 <dihedral> :-D 23:37:05 <Peter1986> aha... but you had nightly server before, right? or paralell project, nightly servers and 0.6.0beta1 servers? 23:37:17 <dihedral> i prefer checking things out myself before 'going live' with upgrades 23:37:27 <dihedral> nightly is running 23:37:29 <Peter1986> aha... 23:37:30 <dihedral> i host 4 games 23:37:46 <dihedral> Fair Play 1-3 and Nightly 23:37:57 <dihedral> anyhow - i need to get to bed 23:38:59 <Peter1986> by the way, i find a server where are newgrfs 23:39:06 <Peter1986> it is using older nightly build 23:39:21 <Peter1986> but i need an early version of modern trams 23:39:23 <Peter1986> grf 23:39:45 <Peter1986> cause this r3 is not compatible with server's version... :( 23:39:49 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:11 *** exe_ [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 23:41:02 *** dihedral [~dihedral_@dslb-084-056-218-234.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]] 23:41:41 <Ammler> Peter1986: most time, there is a homepage for "good" servers 23:41:54 <Ammler> and you find there links to the grf etc. 23:42:01 <Peter1986> i know 23:42:13 <Peter1986> grfcrawler drop the link 23:42:32 <Peter1986> but the modern tramset thread has only 1 file which is named r3 23:42:36 <Ammler> no, I mean a homepage from the server self like dihedrals 23:42:46 <Ammler> http://openttd.dihedral.de 23:42:50 <Peter1986> and the server is Yet Another OpenTTD Server 23:42:57 <Peter1986> where i saw that 23:44:19 <Peter1986> anyway, i saw in his site, that the nightly server use grfs... 23:44:29 <Peter1986> even trams... 23:44:42 <Peter1986> so i upgrade my nightly to r11444 23:44:49 <Peter1986> and try the server 23:45:10 <fjb> Modern tram set is not that usefull yet. It is still in an early stage. 23:45:33 <Peter1986> yeah but 1 server needs an early variant of it 23:45:46 <Peter1986> and that's the only missing one from the list :( 23:46:00 <Peter1986> of that yetanotgerottdserver thing... 23:46:35 <Peter1986> and i'm angry that one single b*stard grf prevent me to play trams at OTTD online... 23:49:02 <fjb> My server is not fast enough to run OpenTTD. 23:50:42 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:58:33 <Peter1986> looks like he don't want unwanted guests at nightlyserver...