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00:01:49 <UnderBuilder> there is a trouble... ship depots and road depots opengrfs have got the same grfid 00:02:22 <Gonozal_VIII> you already wrote that 00:03:17 <Gonozal_VIII> those grfs are only temporary anyways i guess, afaik they will be combined to one when everything is finished 00:06:15 <dekan> hmm, i wonder if i can reproduce the problem i had eearlier .. i've actually got an idea what it could be 00:06:20 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07:09 <Gonozal_VIII> with pavels server i got a new list entry with different port everytime i tried to join 00:09:17 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:11:15 <UnderBuilder> I think that the filenaming for openttd's opengrf set should be one per climate 00:11:38 <UnderBuilder> erm... 00:12:01 <Gonozal_VIII> btw how do grf artists decide grf id? is that just something random? 00:12:27 <dekan> gonozal, yeh same for me 00:12:39 <dekan> but i restarted with -d hoping to get debugging and it worked normally 00:13:21 <UnderBuilder> well, it is already one per climate but what I want to highlight is that now trg1r holds elements from other climates 00:13:48 <UnderBuilder> maybe there would be also a shared elements grf 00:15:18 <UnderBuilder> and maybe create a function to add more climates without replacing current ones 00:16:02 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:16:11 <Gonozal_VIII> i think there are lots of sprites that are used in more than one climate 00:16:16 <Sacro> grr 00:17:51 <Belugas> [19:17] <Gonozal_VIII> btw how do grf artists decide grf id? is that just something random? <--- they are suposed to forge something that will be unique 00:17:58 <UnderBuilder> something that would be nice is a multiclimate world 00:18:02 <Belugas> GRF ID 00:18:02 <Belugas> This is a series of 4 bytes. It's a convention to use the first two bytes for the creator's initials in ASCII code, e.g. 54 57 for "TW". The last two bytes should be numbers, typically the first number identifying which of the author's sets this is, and the second number being a version number. 00:18:20 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:18:44 <Gonozal_VIII> ah i see 00:19:06 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: went pillowhuggi'n] 00:19:09 <Belugas> [19:16] <UnderBuilder> I think that the filenaming for openttd's opengrf set should be one per climate<--- if i understnad it correctly, you're talking about the original data files 00:19:24 <Belugas> we do not touch them, they stay as they are 00:19:35 <Gonozal_VIII> so 01 03 03 07 is not a good grfid? 00:20:07 <Belugas> it is a convention. not an enforced rule 00:20:19 <Belugas> do whatever you want, but make sure it is unique... 00:20:20 <UnderBuilder> one question... what should I use to see pcx files in windows? 00:20:37 <Belugas> what goggle dopes say about that UnderBuilder? 00:20:43 <Belugas> does, note dopes... 00:20:54 <UnderBuilder> propietary solutions maybe? 00:21:03 <Belugas> search... you'll see 00:21:05 <Gonozal_VIII> picture and fax viewer or paint... 00:21:10 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1B77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Windows shutdown) ((~_~]"] 00:23:09 <Gonozal_VIII> with the codec... 00:23:29 <Belugas> [19:20] <UnderBuilder> and maybe create a function to add more climates without replacing current ones <---- you have NO idea at all of what you're asking... really not 00:24:27 <DeGhost> all i want for christmas is more variations :D 00:24:31 <DeGhost> and you life!! 00:24:34 <Gonozal_VIII> you can already have 5 climates since a long time 00:24:37 <DeGhost> to work on ottd 00:24:38 <DeGhost> :) 00:24:48 <Gonozal_VIII> just activate/deactivate the toyland to mars grf 00:25:20 <Gonozal_VIII> there's no limit to how many climates you can have that way 00:26:04 <Belugas> [19:29] <DeGhost> and you life!! <--- you can't have my life for a whole month, you will not be able to sustain it! 00:26:05 <UnderBuilder> you are replacing toyland with it 00:26:13 <Gonozal_VIII> no 00:26:15 <UnderBuilder> that is not adding a new climate 00:26:17 <Gonozal_VIII> toyland is still there 00:26:30 <Belugas> toyland is disguised in mars 00:26:42 <UnderBuilder> the industries are the same... 00:26:52 <Gonozal_VIII> grf can change them too 00:27:10 <Belugas> the grf have not gone far enough 00:27:37 <Gonozal_VIII> in theory you would only need one climate and some grfs 00:27:38 <dekan> mm, if i want to unload something to route it somewhere else, then how do i make the smae train not just pick it right back up again, if i want to load other cargo onto it afterwards? 00:27:55 <Gonozal_VIII> you can't dekan 00:28:20 <Belugas> man.... takes forever to compile :S 00:28:33 <Gonozal_VIII> use a seperate dropoff and pickup station for two way transfers... doesn't work any other way unfortunately 00:28:49 <dekan> oh, hmm 00:29:25 <dekan> well it seems to work if something's already waiting .. but not if it's not 00:29:31 <UnderBuilder> and what about the multiclimate suggestion? 00:29:50 *** GhostBear [~a@90.188.221.228] has quit [Quit: Houses and trams, fucks and sluts, bitches, scums, tits, butts!] 00:29:58 <Belugas> i'd say screw it for now 00:30:28 <UnderBuilder> so... in a map you have desert and artic simultaneously 00:30:43 <Gonozal_VIII> that's been suggested several times 00:31:04 <UnderBuilder> for example, at north and south extremes you have artic 00:31:13 <UnderBuilder> at centre, you have tropical 00:32:01 <Gonozal_VIII> we know what you mean, the idea is not new 00:32:34 * Belugas nods 00:33:23 <UnderBuilder> and whats better, a big central server which can handle a rich quantity of clients or a high quantity of small servers? 00:33:35 <Belugas> and ... if it was so 1) appealing 2) doable, it would already been made 00:34:16 <Gonozal_VIII> many small servers becaus everything that runs on the server has to run on the clients too 00:34:19 <Belugas> UnderBuilder, get yourself a very good book of C++, learn thelanguage, then learn what OTTD has under the hood, and then, DO IT 00:35:43 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:35:55 <UnderBuilder> I prefer the former because the players are more nearer 00:36:11 <Gonozal_VIII> huge map with lots of players wouldn't work for clients without highspeed internet and high end pcs 00:36:42 <pv2b> Gonozal_VIII: it could, if the server sent them just enough information to render whatever they are looking at at any point in time 00:36:54 <pv2b> Gonozal_VIII: that'd require *major* redesigning of openttd though 00:37:05 <pv2b> as in a complete rewrite from the ground up of the network code 00:37:08 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... truelight was working on something like that 00:37:18 <UnderBuilder> but then, how can interact the players? 00:37:25 <pv2b> not just the network code, in fact 00:37:27 <pv2b> the entire game code 00:38:47 <UnderBuilder> the players in a server can't talk with others of other server 00:39:19 <Gonozal_VIII> well, to transfer chat text would be the easiest part i guess 00:40:15 <Wolf01> 'night 00:40:17 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host150-157-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:40:19 <Gonozal_VIII> night 00:42:21 <Gonozal_VIII> chat between clients on different servers... irc does that all the time 00:42:49 <UnderBuilder> but irc chat doesn't include openttd chats 00:43:13 <UnderBuilder> maybe include a irc client in openttd? 00:43:38 <Gonozal_VIII> why do you want to chat ingame with players on different serversà 00:43:57 <UnderBuilder> maybe there is someone you know in other server 00:44:09 <UnderBuilder> imagine you have a friend playing ottd 00:44:17 <UnderBuilder> how do you localize it? 00:44:26 <Gonozal_VIII> icq ;-) 00:44:41 <DeGhost> irc 00:44:44 <DeGhost> ? 00:45:00 <Gonozal_VIII> yes irc too... 00:45:03 <UnderBuilder> maybe he isn't on irc and you haven't his icq 00:45:15 <Gonozal_VIII> but you can try to include an irc client in openttd 00:45:24 <Belugas> [19:48] <UnderBuilder> maybe include a irc client in openttd? <--- lol ! getting better every time :D 00:45:43 <DeGhost> that makes no sense 00:46:00 <UnderBuilder> and the biggest quantity of IM people uses microsoft's network 00:46:01 <DeGhost> why would i waste bw connecting with ppl on chance i might know them? 00:46:04 <dekan> it'd be pretty easy to do a bot kind of system 00:46:16 <dekan> that looks at what the dedicated server gets .. or somehow else bounces it 00:46:30 <dekan> and then get in game chat .. but you don't really need it :) 00:46:44 <DeGhost> yea 00:46:51 <DeGhost> we use signs in openttd coop 00:46:54 <DeGhost> lol 00:46:59 <dekan> it reminds me of when i sent icq messages using micq and screen somehow sending to the console. 00:47:08 <dekan> openttd coop i haven't done that yet. 00:47:20 <Gonozal_VIII> i also communicate through signs a lot^^ 00:47:42 <dekan> i find the problem with openttd is that playing versus other players you kind of have to "expect" that people wont' be idiots. 00:47:48 <dekan> and on the net you don't know who you'll find 00:48:10 <DeGhost> yea 00:48:14 <DeGhost> airplane ftw 00:48:23 <DeGhost> and mass landscape for 1 really long train 00:48:28 <DeGhost> lol 00:53:49 *** wiese [~w_w@cm142-140.liwest.at] has left #openttd [] 01:00:39 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:03:08 <Gonozal_VIII> nothing really matters 01:03:12 <Gonozal_VIII> anyone can see 01:03:22 <Gonozal_VIII> nothing really matters, nothing really matters to me 01:03:42 <Gonozal_VIII> for great justice!^^ 01:07:04 <Sacro> http://www.1chan.net/rail/src/1199142852099.jpg <- WHOAH THAT AIN'T RIGHT 01:08:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> just a supersized tram ;) 01:08:32 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: the back wheels :p 01:08:40 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm there should be some people around to secure the crossing for that.. 01:09:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> what about them? 01:09:19 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: follow the rails 01:09:25 <Sacro> (they should) 01:10:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> just because you don't see the rails below the wheels doesn't mean they are not ther 01:10:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> e 01:10:09 <Gonozal_VIII> i think there are rails around the curve 01:10:19 <Sacro> so you hope 01:11:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> sure there are, hence the warning side... 01:11:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> *sign 01:11:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> *sign on the side 01:16:00 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:20:29 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:22:08 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 01:22:45 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:27:13 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:28:32 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-158-61.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:31:00 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77C0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:37:28 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77DB9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:44:28 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 01:57:47 <UnderBuilder> will be generic tram set included with openttd someday? 01:58:02 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 01:58:13 <UnderBuilder> so, if you don't have got one, at least you can use some trams 02:00:47 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:02:45 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-134-18.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:06:54 <Sacro> !seen egladil 02:06:57 <Sacro> @seen egladil 02:06:59 <DorpsGek> Sacro: egladil was last seen in #openttd 9 hours, 31 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <egladil> LordAzamath: will do :) 02:07:08 <Sacro> ooh, he still lives 02:07:23 <UnderBuilder> @seen Zephyris 02:07:24 <DorpsGek> UnderBuilder: I have not seen Zephyris. 02:07:38 <UnderBuilder> heh 02:09:37 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:10:27 <UnderBuilder> question: is possible to create a rv set where you purchase the engine and after you add to it the trailer with the desired cargo? 02:10:27 <Sacro> night all 02:11:37 <Gonozal_VIII> should be underbuilder 02:14:03 *** KUDr_afk [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:14:53 <Gonozal_VIII> it's pi o clock 02:16:38 <UnderBuilder> other question, how do I build articulated rvs? it doesn't appear on the wiki 02:17:22 <Gonozal_VIII> no idea... decode a grf and look :-) 02:31:19 <UnderBuilder> would be nice as a parallel proyect to the opengrf proyect a set that adds to every climate some new industries and optimizes the already existant 02:31:53 <UnderBuilder> I'll make a graphic with the proposed new industries 02:32:19 <Gonozal_VIII> there are some sets that offer different new industries 02:34:30 <UnderBuilder> maybe some optimizations to the existant industries, like steel mills accepting coal 02:36:49 <Gonozal_VIII> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=ECSMVSteelMill <-- steel mill that accepts coal 02:40:37 *** Arbitrary [me@morgoth.alfar.co.uk] has joined #openttd 02:41:10 <Belugas> Gonozal_VIII: pretty cool, don't you think? 02:41:50 <Gonozal_VIII> i use it since ecs works with openttd 02:41:50 <Belugas> UnderBuilder, do you know where to look for informations on newindustries? 02:42:03 <Belugas> good ^_^ 02:44:22 <Gonozal_VIII> wouldn't want to use the old industries anymore, georges vectors are so much better imho 02:44:39 <Gonozal_VIII> even the alphas 02:45:19 <mikegrb> Sacro: we had a heavily used track down the street for about half a mile in dowtown pensacola, fl 02:45:45 <Belugas> i have to say, to be honest, that i prefer pikka, as its style fits more with ttd style 02:46:05 <Belugas> george is a bit hem... adventurous :) 02:46:07 <mikegrb> most of the rail traffic was at 2-4 am thoough 02:46:37 *** Arbitrary [me@morgoth.alfar.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 02:46:52 <Gonozal_VIII> i replaced most of the game graphics with various grfs, so not much ttd style left^^ 02:49:21 <Belugas> hehe 02:49:24 <Belugas> good point 02:49:46 <Gonozal_VIII> http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/newgrf.htm <-- that's my grflist 02:50:11 <Gonozal_VIII> for some of them i have my own modified versions 02:50:45 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm only trees and water edges 02:52:07 <Gonozal_VIII> ah.. that reminds me that i wanted to modify a better tram grf to work with 4lv without replacing the trucks 02:52:22 <Belugas> noted... next time you'll come around with a bug, i'll know i will not touch it, sice there are way too many grfs involved :D 02:53:32 <Gonozal_VIII> nonono... when i find a bug i always narrow it down 02:54:04 <Gonozal_VIII> and the last 3 bugs i found had nothing to do with grfs^^ 02:54:39 <Belugas> ;) 02:55:44 <Gonozal_VIII> i did a lot of testing with all the grfs i could find in grfcrawler and in the forum and in the german forum and i even tried to search in the russian^^ 02:58:27 *** Arbitrary [me@morgoth.alfar.co.uk] has joined #openttd 03:00:53 <Gonozal_VIII> hi arbitrary, got some bridges/tunnels? 03:05:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> <UnderBuilder> question: is possible to create a rv set where you purchase the engine and after you add to it the trailer with the desired cargo? <- road vehicles cannot be put together like trains, but it might be possible to add trailers through refit options, although i do not remember a grf doing this 03:05:59 <UnderBuilder> then, how do you build aRVs? 03:06:36 <Gonozal_VIII> 4rv has different trailers for different goods... default that to no trailer and you get what you want 03:06:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> the grf specifies that a certain vehicle is articulated, if you buy that vehicle, it automatically adds the articulated parts 03:30:43 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB5260.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 03:36:24 <Belugas> klunk 03:36:36 <Belugas> sound of me going to bed 03:36:45 <Belugas> wave good night 03:37:00 <Gonozal_VIII> always first in bed despite timezone^^ 03:37:06 <Gonozal_VIII> night 03:37:34 <Belugas> having a wife... you know... don't upset her ;) 03:37:36 <Belugas> gone 03:40:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=35497&p=652452#p652452 <- that turned out to be quite some essay... 04:00:42 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5260.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:00:48 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i59F54BA5.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:04:35 <Gonozal_VIII> hausmeister krause :-) 04:05:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> you act like you were the first one to imagine that association... 04:05:24 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm not? 04:05:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> almost :p 04:06:25 <Gonozal_VIII> but much more people on irc know me 04:06:33 <Gonozal_VIII> the evil connection resetter :-) 04:07:07 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F56377.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:07:49 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 04:09:24 <Gonozal_VIII> [all:the:time] *** everybody has signed off IRC (Read error: Connection reset by Gonozal_VIII). 04:09:42 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498F99D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:09:43 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498EABE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:14:41 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.69] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 04:30:24 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5260.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 04:44:08 <Gonozal_VIII> bakerman is baking bread 04:52:38 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:04:00 *** Arbitrary [me@morgoth.alfar.co.uk] has quit [] 05:08:47 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 05:12:12 *** HMage [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 05:12:37 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-30-72.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:20:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> the night train is coming 05:21:08 <Gonozal_VIII> :D 05:25:16 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-11-20.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 05:26:17 <murray> toot toot 05:29:27 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-29-75.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:31:48 *** HMage [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:38:23 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N732P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:49:13 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-188-173.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 06:00:00 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-105-192.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 06:02:49 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N747P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 06:03:50 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-188-173.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:04:27 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm 06:06:52 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-105-192.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:22:02 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:1f07:16c:240:f4ff:fe52:a74e] has joined #openttd 06:37:53 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:1f07:16c:240:f4ff:fe52:a74e] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:38:04 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:1f07:16c:240:f4ff:fe52:a74e] has joined #openttd 06:38:21 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmmm 06:39:11 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:1f07:16c:240:f4ff:fe52:a74e] has quit [] 06:43:09 <Gonozal_VIII> you know what really sucks? 06:43:19 <Gonozal_VIII> vacuum cleaners 06:43:31 <Gonozal_VIII> <-- bored 06:43:39 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@r75-110-56-184.gvllcmtc01.gnvlnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #openttd 06:44:56 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 06:52:58 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:55:03 *** divoafx [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 06:56:39 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:59:03 <egladil> Sacro: did you highlight me just for fun or did you want something? :p 07:00:48 <Gonozal_VIII> that was 5h ago... 07:01:35 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:03:23 <egladil> well i was asleep 07:03:33 <Gonozal_VIII> why would you do that? 07:03:59 <egladil> because it's a good way to spend your time ;) 07:04:15 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm you may have a point there 07:04:53 <egladil> of course i have 07:05:05 <egladil> :) 07:14:04 *** HMage [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 07:18:58 *** peter__ [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 07:19:36 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 07:19:36 <peter__> !logs 07:35:41 *** HMage [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:40:55 *** G [~njones@202-154-147-109.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:41:38 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 07:52:16 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-183-087.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:57:55 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-188-173.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:57:56 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 08:11:33 <Gonozal_VIII> 23 08:13:01 <peter__> 24 08:13:18 <Gonozal_VIII> :-) 08:13:57 *** Bastiaan [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 08:35:54 *** peterbrett [~peter@cpc2-oxfd6-0-0-cust544.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:39:16 *** peter__ [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: peter__] 08:43:45 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm time to get some sleep 08:44:10 <Gonozal_VIII> night all 08:44:28 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N747P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 08:45:13 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 08:53:24 *** peter_ [~peter@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:56:45 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:03:21 <nairan> mornin 09:06:53 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 09:06:56 <pavel1269> hi 09:08:43 *** peterbrett [~peter@cpc2-oxfd6-0-0-cust544.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:09:54 *** Bastiaan is now known as Guest1926 09:17:48 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:25:07 *** dihedral [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 09:25:50 <dihedral> hi 09:44:40 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 09:47:21 *** GT [~GT@adsl-dc-4664d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:49:31 *** GT [~GT@adsl-dc-4664d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 09:52:53 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 09:53:38 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064120.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:55:31 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-56-142.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 09:55:43 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 09:58:17 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 10:00:21 *** LordAzamath [~chatzilla@ip221.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 10:11:00 <peter_> hey hey 10:19:33 <dihedral> 'allo 10:22:10 <peter_> hey 10:22:13 <peter_> i have a dual core machine 10:22:20 <peter_> how is openttd using all of *both* cores? 10:24:17 <TheMask97> peter_: answer is probably: not :) 10:24:36 <peter_> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 10:24:36 <peter_> 4139 petern 16 0 56328 10m 5768 R 149 0.5 1:16.10 openttd 10:24:38 <peter_> 149% 10:24:45 <peter_> the rest is being used by X 10:24:59 <peter_> 4139 petern 16 0 56328 10m 5768 R 171 0.5 1:43.16 openttd 10:24:59 <peter_> 9150 root 15 0 79660 61m 15m S 25 3.0 17:41.10 Xorg 10:25:01 <peter_> for example 10:25:24 <TheMask97> so much cpu %? how is that possible? 10:25:26 <peter_> wait 10:25:44 <peter_> hmm 10:25:49 <peter_> thought it might be the autosave thread 10:25:51 <peter_> but it's not 10:29:31 <dihedral> autosave runs in a separate thread? 10:30:03 <peter_> yes 10:30:23 <peter_> ah ha 10:30:35 <peter_> if i turn off the sound driver it only uses 1 cpu 10:30:41 <dihedral> i thought autosave was run in the same thread and doCommands were queued in that time 10:30:54 <peter_> er, no 10:31:03 <dihedral> sure? 10:31:06 <peter_> yes 10:31:22 * dihedral is at work so he cannot check for himself... :-( 10:31:30 <peter_> autosave saves the game into memory (quick) and then spawns a thread to compress and save it to disk (slow) 10:32:11 <dihedral> ok - that makes sense 10:42:34 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-247-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:55:21 *** Ozgu [~ozgu@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe1efa00-96.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:58:39 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 11:07:32 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:07:41 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 11:08:13 *** LordAzamath [~chatzilla@ip221.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 11:10:05 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 11:15:26 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:19:09 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@82-169-94-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [] 11:29:56 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F54BA5.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:30:23 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:31:01 <dihedral> !seen Bjarni 11:31:22 <dihedral> @seen Bjarni 11:31:24 <DorpsGek> dihedral: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 17 hours, 17 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: actually I was thinking about human beings 11:36:13 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i59F54BA5.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:36:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DCBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:36:49 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N747P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 11:39:53 <peter_> ah ha, export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=pulse works well 11:41:48 <blathijs> incidentally, I've been toying around with pulseaudio for the past weeks as well 11:42:04 <blathijs> in particular getting it to compile in embedded gentoo against uclibc :-) 11:42:36 <peter_> er, ok :p 11:42:50 <peter_> i just lazily use binary packages ;) 11:43:18 <peter_> well, now i can mute ottd's audio without muting everything else 11:43:21 <peter_> which is nice 11:44:18 <peter_> hmm, or set the volume to 0% and it remembers it next time. handy. 11:44:22 <blathijs> I tried that, but I only have 100M of storage :-) 11:44:33 <peter_> ouch 11:44:39 <peter_> but flash is so cheap these days... 11:45:16 <blathijs> Hmm, setting volume per audio stream, didn't think of that yet :-) 11:45:31 <dihedral> blathijs: what kind of hardware are you using? and how much space in total on which type of medium do you have? 11:45:43 <blathijs> Yeah, I'm doing my testing on a 512M (or is it 1G?) USB stick that I plug in the back 11:46:03 <dihedral> your computer? 11:46:07 <blathijs> But I want to put the end result in the device's DiskOnChip (100M internal flash device) 11:46:16 <blathijs> dihedral: It's an old thin client 11:46:19 <dihedral> nice 11:46:27 <blathijs> dihedral: 400Mhz K6-II IIRC 11:46:31 <dihedral> ouch 11:46:38 <blathijs> With no moving parts :-) 11:46:40 <dihedral> there are nicer things than that 11:46:49 <blathijs> Yeah, but this one was free 11:46:51 <dihedral> i.e. VIA 1GHz 11:46:56 <Gonozal_VIII> 400 mhz is much for openttd 11:47:13 <dihedral> yes - but not for it's trains :-) 11:47:14 <Gonozal_VIII> ok, maybe not for open... but for ttd 11:47:26 <blathijs> But I'm not intending to run openttd on it, really 11:47:33 <Gonozal_VIII> played it a lot with 166 mhz 11:47:33 <dihedral> shame 11:47:47 <blathijs> Might be fun to get Xorg to fit, though :-) 11:48:00 <blathijs> But I have no screen to attach to it and it has no tv out 11:48:02 <dihedral> i used to play ttd on a 486 dx2 90 11:48:05 <dihedral> or was it dx4? 11:48:26 <blathijs> I want to put it in the living room here so I can stream audio over the network to the living room stereo 11:48:42 <dihedral> blathijs: have a look at the neo systems :-) 11:49:16 <Gonozal_VIII> why don't you attach the stereo directly to your pc? 11:49:45 * Rubidium_ had a dx four hundred ('sounds' soo much better when written that way) 11:50:19 <dihedral> lol 11:50:23 <dihedral> that is cheating :-) 11:51:34 <Gonozal_VIII> why am i not sleeping? 11:51:44 <Gonozal_VIII> night again... 11:52:28 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i59F7D216.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:01 <Rubidium_> dihedral: it would be cheating if I would've written dx400 ;) 11:53:39 <dihedral> :-P 11:54:00 <dihedral> blathijs: http://www.lex.com.tw/index1.php 11:54:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7D216.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:55:09 <peter_> "dx four one hundred" is normal english 11:57:00 <blathijs> Gonozal_VIII: Because my PC is not in the living room :-) 11:57:24 <blathijs> Gonozal_VIII: And also because I only use a laptop, so I don't want to plug in yet another cable 11:58:42 <peter_> bah, flightgear hits the sndrv_pcm_hw_params bug :( 11:59:22 *** Guest1926 [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.137] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:59:48 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N747P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:59:55 <peter_> i found streaming with pulseaudio was very choppy :( 12:00:17 <blathijs> dihedral: I should really use something ARM based for this, I guess, but that's more work :-) 12:00:25 <peter_> but that could've been the wifi or the cisco 7940's passthrough ethernet port 12:01:09 <blathijs> Dunno, haven't tried it with wifi yet 12:01:23 <blathijs> Directly over ethernet worked fine for me 12:02:02 <peter_> daap was fine over both but that's not realtime 12:02:52 <blathijs> daap? 12:03:09 <peter_> itunes style sharing 12:03:12 <blathijs> Ah, airport express thingy 12:03:57 <peter_> that supports it also 12:05:22 <peter_> oh crap 12:05:29 <peter_> along with a payrise, and paying of a loan 12:05:31 <peter_> i'm going to be 12:05:39 <peter_> £666 better off 12:06:33 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7F8E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:09:24 <blathijs> That's more than I make a month :-) 12:12:22 <peter_> :o 12:13:14 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-133-215.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 12:23:56 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@workstation.freenull.net] has joined #openttd 12:28:32 *** peterbrett [~peter@cpc2-oxfd6-0-0-cust544.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:30:47 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-56-142.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:49 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 12:33:23 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has joined #openttd 12:38:42 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.82] has joined #openttd 12:40:59 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:41:56 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-56-142.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:42:01 <UnderBuilder> is possible to make a rct-like game by forking openttd? 12:43:49 <peter_> probably 12:43:52 <peter_> a lot of work though 12:44:02 <peter_> might well be better off starting from scratch 12:44:40 <hylje> you'd need a new map 12:44:53 <hylje> because one can't fit that stuff on the current map array 12:45:13 <hylje> so why doesn't one make a more freeform map and *then* fork? :-) 12:46:00 <peter_> well there is that, heh 12:49:35 *** Farden [~jk3farden@workstation.freenull.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:49:35 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 12:51:57 <UnderBuilder> I like rct, but what I kind of dislike is that it is objective based 12:52:23 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:53:01 <UnderBuilder> you play a fixed map and when the objective is done, you go to next level 12:53:09 <hylje> :o 12:53:45 <UnderBuilder> a random map generator with a 'play until filled' gameplay will rock 12:54:05 <peter_> it has a sandbox mode though, doesn't it? 12:54:59 <UnderBuilder> I hadn't saw it 12:55:45 <UnderBuilder> I have the first one (not the expansion, the first first) 12:58:01 <peter_> i never played it much 12:58:17 <peter_> like locomotion the build system is annoying 12:59:57 <hylje> ./configure && make 13:01:03 <UnderBuilder> yes, but it has got a powerful flexibility 13:03:02 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064120.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:25 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7F8E.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Ping timeout: Hmm ping sucks :D] 13:21:35 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:22:30 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 13:23:47 <roboman> gnight 13:26:15 <Digitalfox_> roboman: From what country are you? 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Australia or something? 13:26:52 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 13:27:44 <roboman> yep 13:29:35 <Digitalfox_> Your like the fist country to celebrate new year? 13:30:09 <roboman> yep 13:30:11 <peter_> you're 13:30:22 <roboman> New Zealand is before us 13:31:03 <Digitalfox_> New Zealand is the first country in the planet to celebrate new year? 13:31:29 <Noldo> there are some small islands before that 13:31:42 <Digitalfox_> oh, ok.. 13:38:30 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-149-227.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:42:10 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:42:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:59:08 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:06:25 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5391.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:23:59 *** LordAzamath [~chatzilla@ip221.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:28:18 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:49:34 *** LordAzamath_ [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:53:52 *** LordAzamath [~chatzilla@ip221.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:54:02 *** LordAzamath_ is now known as LordAzamath 14:58:17 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-133-215.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:08:55 <UnderBuilder> LordAzamath: there is a trouble with the road depot replacement grf 15:09:05 <LordAzamath> yes? 15:09:31 <LordAzamath> what kind of trouble 15:10:32 <UnderBuilder> it has the same grfid that the ship depot 15:10:48 <LordAzamath> haha 15:11:49 <LordAzamath> Funny thing is that I only drew it 15:12:07 <LordAzamath> and gave five lines of code 15:12:18 <LordAzamath> I had no idea they changed grfid :D 15:12:53 <LordAzamath> I suggest to wait for Zephyris to include it to infrastructure set 15:13:06 <LordAzamath> then there will not be any grfid confusion 15:13:53 <UnderBuilder> there is an issue with toyland roads: it is hard to recognise trams in tracks 15:14:40 *** Arbitrary [me@morgoth.alfar.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:16:45 <Hendikins> Hrm, I need to get myself a USB mouse. Then I can play openttd online at work :p 15:16:52 <LordAzamath> have to contact Zephyris in that case...better make a reply to the thread with problems 15:16:52 <reto> lol 15:17:39 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:17:52 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-30-72.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:19:13 <UnderBuilder> also, paved roads in toyland look different than outside ones 15:20:05 <UnderBuilder> idea for toyland roads: why not make it checked like the terrain? 15:20:46 <LordAzamath> btw we haven't made toyland roads yet ;) 15:21:56 <dihedral> Belugas: you around by any chance? 15:22:04 <LordAzamath> only thing that is done is terrain and deniyng of road depots 15:22:18 <UnderBuilder> I said that so before doing them you had an idea of how will you do it 15:22:39 <LordAzamath> I resay, make a reply or I'll forget 15:23:34 <LordAzamath> but now g2g 15:23:38 *** LordAzamath [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 15:24:14 <UnderBuilder> instead of electric pylons for elrails / trams there should be some odd replacement to it 15:25:29 <Arbitrary> third rail in "not enough pixels" shocker? 15:28:06 <UnderBuilder> maybe a post that throws rays to the locomotives? 15:28:10 <UnderBuilder> or trams 15:37:28 * glx is still looking for buildottd, mingw or cygwin users 15:40:48 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-194.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:44:57 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-56-142.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:45:40 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-194.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:51:57 *** KUDr [KUDr@83.240.28.50] has joined #openttd 15:59:58 *** KUDr [KUDr@83.240.28.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:11:37 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 16:13:05 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-56-142.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:13:58 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.107] has quit [Quit: Caught signal 15, Terminated] 16:14:04 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.107] has joined #openttd 16:14:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7D216.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:17:13 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 16:25:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7D216.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:26:24 *** caladan [~caladan@161-bem-18.acn.waw.pl] has joined #openttd 16:34:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:45:28 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B809D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:06 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80270.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:47:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:02:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:03:10 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:16:44 <UnderBuilder> I should do the fences but my damn xp refuses to load pcx files 17:18:11 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:18:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DCBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:52 <glx> what are you using to open them? 17:22:53 <UnderBuilder> I have no programs installed 17:23:00 <UnderBuilder> erm 17:23:06 <hylje> :o 17:23:18 <peter_> psp will load them 17:23:29 <UnderBuilder> xp's viewer should have function to read it 17:24:34 <peter_> pcx is rather obsolete 17:24:53 <Ammller> UnderBuilder: gimp 17:25:15 <UnderBuilder> the latest version for win is outdated 17:25:31 <hylje> good luck on making sprites with no software 17:27:27 <UnderBuilder> I should use paint to make the fence 17:36:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host122-238-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:36:32 <Wolf01> hello 17:37:14 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 17:39:54 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:39:54 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:49:07 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:50:52 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 17:51:40 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-111-164-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 17:52:12 <Draakon> hi 17:52:24 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 17:52:34 *** peter_ [~peter@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:54:31 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:18 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest1948 17:55:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.13.70.192] has joined #openttd 18:00:18 *** Guest1948 [~wolf01@host122-238-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:16 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest1950 18:04:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host211-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:04:33 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:07:21 <Draakon> looks like nobody is home 18:08:25 <hylje> :o 18:08:27 <hylje> really? 18:08:50 <Draakon> yes 18:09:02 <Draakon> as nobody answerd to my hi 18:10:23 *** Guest1950 [~wolf01@87.13.70.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:17:17 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 18:19:03 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-212-195.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:41 *** dihedral [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: have been replaced by dih :-)] 18:22:08 <Sacro> tits or gtfo :p 18:23:07 <Draakon> weee, i found the world scenario i was looking for :P 18:24:31 <pavel1269> Draakon: hi :o) 18:28:43 <Wolf01> we should call you not sacro, but sexro 18:29:34 <Sacro> :o 18:29:41 <Sacro> bloomin italians :p 18:41:31 <DeGhost> you know what i need? 18:41:38 <DeGhost> a signal that's always green 18:41:39 <DeGhost> :) 18:42:36 *** peter__ [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 18:42:59 <Wolf01> i need a presignal always red instead 18:43:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11744 /trunk/src/string.cpp: -Codechange: don't redefine snprintf when using MinGW Runtime 3.14 or superior, as it now have snprintf() and vsnprintf conform to C99 18:44:41 <UnderBuilder> I started my own coop server 18:45:11 <UnderBuilder> well, pretended to be a coop because nobody joined yet... 18:45:38 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-183-087.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 18:50:55 <pavel1269> DeGhost: no problem, i am making patch ... Programmable signals ... and one version ... well, signals won't turn red at any chance :)) 18:53:15 <DeGhost> yea cuz a always green signal i know there is always a free track ahead and i just want em to move forward!! 18:53:42 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 18:55:03 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-134-76.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 18:56:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> what sense does an always green signal have? 18:56:12 <Wolf01> crash the trains 18:56:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> it can't be green while a train is passing 18:57:24 <Wolf01> in this case... it asserts, or the game crashes directly 18:57:36 <Sacro> DeGhost: i've done that 18:57:58 <Wolf01> you done all, sacro 18:58:07 <Sacro> Wolf01: with what? 18:58:19 <dih> http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/01/02/atari-goes-list-list 18:59:19 <UnderBuilder> seems that noone wants to join my server :( 19:00:24 <hylje> nyah 19:02:03 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 19:02:30 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 19:03:41 <dih> UnderBuilder: how long has been up for? 19:03:59 <UnderBuilder> 5~10 minutes 19:04:53 <dih> then be pacient and stop wining 19:05:50 <UnderBuilder> one entered but now leaved 19:05:53 <hylje> why did dih forgot how to spell 19:06:04 <hylje> forget 19:06:07 <SmatZ> ahahah 19:06:08 <SmatZ> :) 19:21:57 <UnderBuilder> seems that all the players are running out when they join 19:22:09 *** koexistens [~koexisten@c-6474e455.23-2-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 19:22:27 <koexistens> Hey, I'm just wondering, is there anyone here who is running OS X Leopard? I can't seem to get build r11719 to run. 19:22:58 <koexistens> Btw, the latest build doesn't run either. 19:23:05 <koexistens> Stable and beta does. :) 19:23:46 <koexistens> In system.log: 19:23:48 <koexistens> Jan 2 20:06:08 c-6474e455 com.apple.launchd[76] ([0x0-0x12b12b].org.openttd.openttd[2114]): posix_spawnp("/Applications/OpenTTD/OpenTTD.app/Contents/MacOS/openttd", ...): Bad executable (or shared library) 19:23:52 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 19:24:42 <koexistens> Tried to build r11719 from source also, which failed with linking errors.. 19:27:49 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> Bjarni doesn't seem to be here 19:30:49 <peter__> 719? 19:31:00 <peter__> 11744 is the latest revision.. 19:31:22 *** peterbrett [~peter@cpc2-oxfd6-0-0-cust544.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:05 <murray> is the guy who calls himself Maarten here? 19:33:34 <koexistens> I need 719 to run the games at #openttdcoop 19:34:19 *** pv2b [~pvz@c213-89-144-30.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:35:34 *** pv2b [~pvz@c213-89-144-30.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 19:40:33 <Sacro> @seen Maarten 19:40:34 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Maarten was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 1 day, 22 hours, 52 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <Maarten> BiA|pavel-css: A written test I did about 5 years ago, and about 2 years ago I did one online, but I can't remember where. 19:42:21 <pavel1269> 19:57 <Wolf01> in this case... it asserts, or the game crashes directly --- no, trains crash ... no assert failed, no game crash 19:42:52 <pavel1269> why DorpsGek said my name :/ 19:43:58 <Draakon> it dint 19:44:18 <pavel1269> BiA|pavel-css --- thats my old nick 19:44:38 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-247-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:44:53 <Draakon> oh 19:44:59 <pavel1269> ahh, last maarten message 19:45:10 <pavel1269> :( 19:45:11 <pavel1269> *:) 19:49:02 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 19:50:19 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N779P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 19:56:50 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 19:56:50 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:57:39 *** caladan [~caladan@161-bem-18.acn.waw.pl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:59:00 <Wolf01> !seen leviath* 19:59:16 <Wolf01> @seen leviath* 19:59:16 <DorpsGek> Wolf01: leviath* could be Leviathan (2 weeks, 2 days, 3 hours, 53 minutes, and 38 seconds ago) or LeviathNL (2 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 39 minutes, and 58 seconds ago) 19:59:28 <Wolf01> :/ 20:01:37 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:09:37 *** dekan [~ben@202-74-203-90.ue.woosh.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:12:23 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i59F7FC7E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:13:03 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:18 <Draakon> question: how can cargo waiting to be processed amount increase without a train unloading coal to a station? 20:16:25 <Draakon> i am talking about power station 20:16:29 <Draakon> > is it because of a nearby coal mine? 20:16:40 <Gonozal_VIII> no 20:16:54 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't take coal from a mine by itself 20:18:09 <Gonozal_VIII> are you sure that it increased? 20:18:38 <Draakon> yes 20:18:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7D216.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:58 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm did the production increase? that also increases the stockpile size, that could possibly also increase the ammount stored 20:24:27 *** d_ [~d@ip-89-103-38-27.karneval.cz] has joined #openttd 20:26:51 *** peterbrett [~peter@cpc2-oxfd6-0-0-cust544.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:26:53 <Draakon> i am talking about power station here 20:27:41 <Gonozal_VIII> i know? 20:28:47 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-158-255.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:29:36 <Draakon> i dont understand then what are you asking 20:30:02 <Gonozal_VIII> i think the stockpile size is increased with a multiplier 20:30:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DCBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:32:38 <Draakon> which means? 20:33:19 <Gonozal_VIII> that the multiplier could also increase the ammount stored 20:35:18 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-149-227.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:20 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-105-192.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:36:40 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-105-192.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:38:33 <Draakon> k 20:38:37 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-111-164-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 20:40:14 <pavel1269> bye 4 now 20:40:54 *** pavel1269 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seconds] 21:12:44 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:17:42 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai 21:25:11 <glx> koexistens: does r11708 works? 21:25:31 <koexistens> Will try, wait! 21:25:54 <glx> @openttd commit 11709 21:25:57 <DorpsGek> glx: Commit by bjarni :: r11709 trunk/config.lib (2007-12-27 15:05:46 UTC) 21:25:58 <DorpsGek> glx: -Fix [FS#1385 FS#1386]: [OSX] Compiles on Leopard with the default settings 21:25:59 <DorpsGek> glx: -Change: [OSX] configure will no longer enable static by default 21:26:00 <DorpsGek> glx: Turns out that Leopard can't handle static builds without the user installing extra libs 21:26:01 <DorpsGek> glx: The tradeoff is that now people might have to enable static manually if moving the binary around 21:26:21 <glx> because your problem may be related to this commit :) 21:27:02 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest1968 21:27:02 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host192-232-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined 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21:38:13 <koexistens> BlitterFactoryBase::GetBlitters() in 8bpp_debug.o 21:38:50 <koexistens> And then the list goes on for pages with missing links... 21:38:53 <koexistens> :) 21:39:07 <glx> tried to reconfigure ? 21:39:50 <koexistens> I just did the initial configure? 21:39:59 <koexistens> Did I miss any arguments? 21:40:11 <koexistens> Maybe --disable-static? 21:40:36 <koexistens> But as you said, that sould be disabled by default. 21:40:55 <glx> after r11709 they should yes 21:41:09 <koexistens> Hmm.. 21:41:30 <koexistens> This strange link error is not one that I've found in the bug tracker.. 21:41:46 <glx> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1385 21:42:17 <koexistens> Ah, I know! 21:42:34 <koexistens> It tries to link with my iPod touch dylibs!! 21:42:58 <koexistens> Can I get it to not look for libstdc++.dylib in /usr/local/lib first? 21:43:42 <glx> LDFLAGS=/where/to/look ./configure 21:44:02 <glx> well -L/where/to/look :) 21:44:12 *** stillunknown 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