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00:08:02 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13531 /branches/noai/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 00:08:02 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add [API CHANGE]: when building a bridge/tunnel for road/tram, the 00:08:02 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: BuildBridge/BuildTunnel function will now also make two half-road/half-tram 00:08:02 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: pieces on both ends of the bridge/tunnel, so it is easier for you to connect 00:08:02 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: them to your network. This give a more consistant behavior for road. 00:08:03 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Note: if the road pieces failed to build, but building the bridge/tunnel succeeded, the function still returns true (for the obvious reasons) 00:29:47 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-165-98-32.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:33:11 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77771.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:39:57 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77A94.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:54 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::ea7:beef] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:52:45 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-146-18-220.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 00:59:17 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-151-172-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [] 01:09:52 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37e25.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:12:29 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-207-35-180.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 01:18:49 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 01:24:18 *** 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<planetmaker> good morning everyone 07:32:54 *** mikl [~mikl@host-n133-18.homerun.telia.com] has joined #openttd 07:34:20 <ln> good morning, slartibartfast 07:37:22 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B831DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:38:43 *** Tefad_ [~tefad@c-75-75-0-69.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:39:05 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B81D98.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:40:19 *** Tefad_ is now known as Tefad 07:50:46 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F551A9.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:53:17 *** mikl [~mikl@host-n133-18.homerun.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:54:03 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 07:57:46 <peter1138> oh really 08:14:34 *** mikl [~mikl@81-232-111-34-no16.business.telia.com] has joined #openttd 08:17:31 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C1CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:20:42 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 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[~chatzilla@p5088BC7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:36:17 <McChicken> hi there 09:36:47 <McChicken> is there anyone who could help me 09:36:50 <McChicken> ?? 09:37:59 <McChicken> hello 09:38:00 <McChicken> ???????? 09:40:26 *** McChicken [~chatzilla@p5088BC7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 09:42:32 *** dR3x4cK2313 [~Miranda@p5499ED21.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:42:38 *** McChicken [~chatzilla@p5088BC7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:42:41 <Ammler> funny Chick 09:44:59 <McChicken> hi 09:44:59 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:45:53 <Ammler> Hey 09:47:38 <ln> McChicken: learn to behave on irc. 09:48:28 <McChicken> could anybody help me please 09:48:44 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:48:45 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 09:48:52 <ln> McChicken: that is the wrong question, you won't get answers like that. 09:49:59 <ln> McChicken: i'll tell you. 09:50:22 <Tefad> McChicken: on IRC you just ask your question. if anyone is around that can answer, they will. 09:50:33 <Tefad> otherwise you're just flapping in the breeze. 09:50:41 <ln> 1. Don't ask if you can ask, just ask. 09:51:12 *** McChicken [~chatzilla@p5088BC7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]] 09:51:14 <ln> 2. Then *wait* patiently. 20 minutes at least, preferably an hour.... 09:51:18 <Tefad> oh well 09:51:29 <ln> how about a ban? 09:51:32 <Tefad> impatient person is impatient 09:51:39 <Tefad> reminds me of my wife 09:51:45 <Tefad> impatient AND inattentive 09:52:19 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 09:53:12 <ln> btw, McChicken also talked to me privately without being asked to. 09:55:40 *** Sionide- [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 09:55:46 *** ob0t_ [andyf@dangermouse.pod4.org] has joined #openttd 09:56:01 *** ob0t [andyf@dangermouse.pod4.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:56:02 <ben_goodger> probably some ten-year-old 09:56:15 <ben_goodger> I was similar to that, without the multiple ?s 09:56:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> the internet -- where ten-year-olds are FBI agents 09:56:50 <ben_goodger> indeed 09:56:56 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37eb8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 09:57:08 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:57:27 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 09:57:40 *** Sionide- is now known as Sionide 09:58:19 <Gekz> I love idiots. 09:58:33 <ben_goodger> most people do 09:58:39 <ben_goodger> they continually vote for them, for instance 10:06:28 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.63.72] has joined #openttd 10:07:08 <Gekz> lol. 10:07:25 <Gekz> Vote for the turd sandwich or the giant douche! 10:11:08 <ben_goodger> or indeed don't vote for the giant douche; he'll get elected anyway thanks to a few defective floridian balloting machines 10:12:09 *** shodan [~user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 10:15:00 <Gekz> "defective" 10:16:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> you haven't watched futurama yet, have you? :p 10:17:19 <ben_goodger> bender's big score was an awful attempt to gain fan loyalty by cramming in as many references to the previous series as possible 10:17:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> so? 10:18:13 <ben_goodger> ...although I recognise the possibility that a killer robot from the year 3007 could have come back in time to kill his best friend, and accidentally erased all of gore's votes simultaneously 10:19:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> how else would that have happened? 10:19:08 <ben_goodger> I think it was more likely the voting machines 10:22:52 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499ED21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:24:43 *** LiNo [~li-On@p4FCE8503.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:24:57 *** LiNo is now known as Li-On 10:26:37 <planetmaker> maybe he'll get on it; orders are bothering me ever since we got all those options. 10:26:49 <planetmaker> oh, nvm :P 10:28:34 * Rubidium wonders what functionality requires more clicks than the 'old' GUI except for setting up transfers 10:31:43 <planetmaker> Without meaning to complain: if you play with conditional transfers, time tabled waiting times on stations and then transfer and no load or full load orders, it takes a lot of time to set up a schedule 10:31:50 <planetmaker> and a lot of clicks. 10:32:15 <ccfreak2k> Damn. That fifty dollars could have gotten me 10:32:16 <planetmaker> But I have so far also no good idea how to make the UI better 10:32:17 <ccfreak2k> ONE GALLON OF GAS. 10:32:28 <Gekz> lol 10:32:33 <Gekz> Learn to walk again 10:32:41 <Gekz> I don't have a driver's licence 10:32:47 <Gekz> so i can't get addicted to oil :P 10:33:14 <planetmaker> with better = setting up a schedule with less clicking and less sub menues without getting an ugly and cluttered GUI 10:33:34 <Rubidium> planetmaker: for all 'basic' things you don't need sub menus 10:33:56 <Rubidium> full load: single click, unload: single click, default non-stop: single click 10:34:10 <Rubidium> goto: single click 10:34:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Gekz> so i can't get addicted to oil :P <- how many things made of plastic do you own? 10:34:22 <planetmaker> Rubidium: yes, but even then for a normal order like goto xy with full load and goto ab with unload you need two 4 per order entry 10:34:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> s/own/use/ 10:34:34 <Vikthor> Gekz: You surely grow your own food using only animal or human force then. 10:34:58 <ben_goodger> ccfreak2k: hundred dollars, you philistine :P 10:34:59 <planetmaker> e.g. those clicks: goto, station, load menu, full order 10:35:11 <Gekz> Vikthor: I use 6 africans 10:35:12 <Vikthor> And certainly you do NOT shop at the supemarket ;) 10:35:46 <ben_goodger> ccfreak2k: and I think we'll be lucky if it stays below 100 by 2012 10:36:17 <Rubidium> planetmaker: there isn't a more efficient way of doing that, except using keyboard shortcut 10:36:20 <Rubidium> which already exist 10:36:24 <ccfreak2k> Yeah it was one of those. 10:36:49 <ben_goodger> no, it was 100 10:36:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> like 10 years ago, i read estimates that the oil reserves run out by 2020 10:36:55 <planetmaker> hm... they must have eluded me so far. Can you point me to a place where they're summarized for the orders menues? 10:37:05 <ben_goodger> Eddi|zuHause2: that's pretty much on track 10:37:21 <ben_goodger> might be 2025 if we're lucky. 10:37:39 <ben_goodger> uranium will be about 2030-2035, and then we're screwed 10:37:42 <planetmaker> besides that, I'm pretty sure there *is* a more efficient way - but I just don't know how, given the boundary conditions 10:38:29 <planetmaker> e.g. the functionality of the quick goto patch is IMO a step in the direction of a quicker orders GUI. 10:39:13 <Rubidium> that's only for the first order 10:39:39 <planetmaker> for the first time you give orders. Not the first order only 10:39:43 *** dR3x4cK2313 [~Miranda@p5499ED21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:40:29 <planetmaker> e.g. keeping the goto button selected continues to work until you close the orders window 10:42:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> what i found an annoying usability regression (i think since the moving of orders got in (long time ago)) was that when you click on "go to" and then on an order where you want to insert a new order, it looses the "go to" selection 10:44:25 <ccfreak2k> That seems like a five second fix. 10:44:43 <planetmaker> 5 10:44:45 <planetmaker> 4 10:44:46 <planetmaker> 3 10:44:48 <planetmaker> 2 10:44:50 <planetmaker> 1 10:44:57 <planetmaker> can you show me, ccfreak2k ? 10:45:32 <ccfreak2k> I don't have the code. 10:45:38 <ccfreak2k> Or the will. 10:45:47 <planetmaker> svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk 10:45:47 <ccfreak2k> I've just learned to work around it. 10:45:57 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499ED21.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:46:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't want to "work around" stuff 10:46:37 <planetmaker> things are not necessarily as easy as they may seem... 10:47:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> i used the order list like that for 10 years... 10:47:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> or more 10:53:54 <ccfreak2k> Maybe it's order_gui.cpp 10:54:14 <ccfreak2k> /** @file order_gui.cpp GUI related to orders. */ 10:54:27 <ccfreak2k> I see they value descriptive comments. 10:55:19 <planetmaker> I'm pretty sure it's in that file :) 10:56:24 <Maedhros> that comment is pretty much only there so Doxygen parses the file 10:57:03 <ccfreak2k> Maybe it's OrderClick_Goto() 10:58:20 <ccfreak2k> Now if only I knew what was happening inside that function. 11:00:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm sure it is well documented :p 11:01:03 <Gekz> I be hating 11:01:10 <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause2: why is there a pipe symbol in your name 11:01:14 <Gekz> I've always wondered 11:01:29 <Gekz> Eddi at home 2? 11:02:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> because just "Eddi" is likely to be taken in almost any network 11:02:01 <ccfreak2k> Eddi|zuHause2, it's not the lack of documentation (the code explains itself, really), it's the lack of my knowledge of C. 11:02:20 <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause2: it's not taken here. 11:02:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> languages are all alike... 11:03:45 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F551A9.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 11:08:55 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:09:46 *** echinos_ [brian@208.80.96.34] has left #openttd [] 11:13:16 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37eb8.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:14:11 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37eb8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:14:11 *** dR3x4cK2313 [~Miranda@p5499ED21.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK2313] 11:15:20 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 11:21:16 <Ammler> # und heut Abend 11:24:37 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:33:46 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl4-210-190.dsl.telepac.pt] 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Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7763C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:00:07 <ccfreak2k> Coincidentally, 65,535 KPH is about mach 53. 14:00:42 <Ammler> ccfreak2k: I made it for logic gates: http://www.myimg.de/?img=not88242.png <-- not 14:01:19 <Pikka> Maedhros: the speed unit for trains in TTD is mph*1.6, not km/h 14:01:20 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78979.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:01:31 <TiberiusTeng> ahh ... get the texture atlas & palette animation done, then I probably put an 'alpha' build of OpenGL blitter for test ... 14:01:34 <Pikka> it was km/h for a while in OTTD, but I think that got fixed. ;) 14:01:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> 53 = 42+10+1; 2*10+4-1=23 14:01:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> now THAT is a coincidence :p 14:03:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> imho that "fix" is stupid 14:03:08 <TiberiusTeng> I finally discovered that switching textures are the cause of slowdown on OpenGL blitter, what a shame ... 14:03:50 <Maedhros> Pikka: aha, that makes sense :) 14:03:55 <peter1138> combine sprites? heh 14:04:01 <Vikthor> Eddi|zuHause2: It has to be so to maintain compatibility with existing NewGRF 14:04:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is a questionable design goal 14:05:28 <ccfreak2k> Ammler, what kind of gate is in that image? 14:05:33 <Ammler> NOT 14:05:48 <ccfreak2k> Neat. 14:07:55 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm10.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 14:08:05 <TiberiusTeng> peter1138, I think a 2048x2048 can accomodate original TTD sprites 14:08:21 <TiberiusTeng> but not so sure for many NewGRF sets ... 14:08:35 <Pikka> Eddi: whereas arbitrarily and pointlessly changing the meaning of widely-used values is good practice? 14:09:14 <TiberiusTeng> and for now it seems spritecache will reload every sprites when loading game, creating a new game or returning to the title screen (i.e. pass them to blitter's Encode() function) 14:09:34 <TiberiusTeng> but not releasing them at all (only depend on memory usage I believe?) 14:09:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> Pikka: no, but reducing the amount of arbitrary and pointless conversions to clean up the code is 14:09:53 <peter1138> well you'll need a clean up routine, heh 14:10:28 <peter1138> the conversions are only for display porpoises anyway 14:10:59 <TiberiusTeng> I haven't dig into NewGRF, GFX, scriptcache parts yet! the blitter part is already complex enough ... 14:11:15 <Pikka> if it's in mph it has to convert to show kph, if it's kph it has to convert to show mph. same amount of conversion either way. 14:11:22 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 14:11:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:11:43 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [] 14:11:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> but it is in neither mph nor kph 14:11:56 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:12:10 <TiberiusTeng> I'm using blitter's Encode() to transform sprites into OpenGL textures ... seems not the best choice, but I don't think fitting OpenGL texture management into spritecache is a good solution 14:12:13 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 14:12:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:12:30 <peter1138> probably not, no 14:13:18 <Pikka> with mp*1.6, 0x80 = 80mph, etc. :P 14:13:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's the most stupid reason you could come up with... 14:13:54 <TiberiusTeng> anyway, I'm wondering why spritecache keep re-encoding the same sprite without releasing the old version 14:14:13 <TiberiusTeng> (after NewGRF settings has changed, loaded a game, returned to title screen, etc.) 14:14:29 <Pikka> well, actually the reason is because that's the way it's coded in TTD, so changing it breaks the default vehicles (and every grf set ever). but whatever. 14:14:46 <peter1138> TiberiusTeng: for the current blitters the memory is freed, and no additional clean up is necessary 14:15:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> imho, shifting a few values by 1 is not such a big deal that it should be considered "breaking" 14:15:48 <TiberiusTeng> yes. I added a hook near spritecache's free() part to call up my OpenGL blitter, but I never come across it actually 'releasing' sprites 14:16:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> besides, sets like DBSetXL would actually benefit from changing speeds from 59, 69, 99 to 60, 70, 100 km/h 14:17:03 <TiberiusTeng> I think spritecache's using (only) LRU and memory size limit to cleanup sprites ... 14:19:04 <TiberiusTeng> ... ahh, I found it. a big free() in GfxInitSpriteMem() ... 14:19:06 <TiberiusTeng> that's too bad 14:19:27 *** shodan [~user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 14:35:57 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:35:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:36:01 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37eb8.bb.sky.com] has left #openttd [] 14:40:34 *** birdspider [~birdspide@chello062178009208.4.11.tuwien.teleweb.at] has joined #openttd 14:43:42 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13532 /branches/noai/src/ai/ (ai_threads.cpp api/ai_object.cpp): [NoAI] -Fix: in MultiPlayer SignID wasn't set correctly, causing weird effects. Code is now more unified, which should avoid simular effects in the future (tnx to glx for initial patch) 14:46:32 *** Nite [~anonym@chello062178193175.3.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Dana] 14:48:26 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 14:50:13 *** birdspider [~birdspide@chello062178009208.4.11.tuwien.teleweb.at] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 14:54:41 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4392.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:57:07 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 14:58:27 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:01:38 <peter1138> TiberiusTeng: as i said, you'll need to add stuff there :) 15:03:04 <ccfreak2k> TiberiusTeng, is OpenGL supposed to improve performance, or is it just an alternate video driver? 15:06:28 <TiberiusTeng> I hope it can improve performance, but for now it's slower than 32bpp-optimized/32bpp-anim. 15:06:55 <TiberiusTeng> it's some kind of proof-of-concept/pre-alpha now ... 15:08:15 <TiberiusTeng> well prettier transparent view, station roof and newspaper's a plus too ;) 15:09:01 <TiberiusTeng> but it's meaningless if it's still (or even more) CPU-bound 15:09:28 <peter1138> what would be nice is to use z-index 15:09:39 <peter1138> to remove the need for sprite sorting 15:09:45 <peter1138> but that would need a lot more changes 15:10:15 <TiberiusTeng> yep ... for now I try to constrain myself at blitter level 15:12:32 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37eb8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:12:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 15:26:38 <ln> does "X bought the farm" mean "X died"? 15:27:04 <Belugas> that is a very strange question... 15:27:15 <SmatZ> hey I bought the farm ! :-D 15:27:15 <Belugas> i fail to see thr connection 15:27:32 <ln> not at all, it's related to English, which is on topic. 15:28:48 <Pikka> yes, it does ln 15:29:27 <ccfreak2k> In typical slang, yes. 15:29:32 <ln> great. thank you. 15:31:02 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:31:46 <Swallow> Hello 15:32:14 <Pikka> hello 15:32:50 <Swallow> I'm doing some experimenting with editing the openttd scource... 15:33:17 <Swallow> is it possible to write stuff to the console? 15:34:01 <Swallow> if it is, please tell me how :) 15:34:29 <SpComb> the debug functions? 15:35:05 <Swallow> i don't know exactly 15:36:04 <Swallow> i just need something like print() in php 15:36:46 <Maedhros> which OS are you using? 15:36:48 <SpComb> it depends on what kind of stuff you're trying to write 15:36:52 <Touqen> You can do printf, or you use DEBUG to print to the debug console. 15:37:19 <Swallow> k thanks i'll look some stuff op later, going to dinner now 15:40:35 <Belugas> ln, i was referring to the relationship of the two sentences. That is waht i found strange 15:40:49 <Belugas> now, i was not aware it was slang 15:40:57 <ccfreak2k> It's an idiom. An old one. 15:41:06 <skidd13> Swallow: Hmm printf 15:41:08 <ccfreak2k> Dates back to at least WWII, probably earlier. 15:41:48 <Pikka> WWI-ish 15:41:54 <skidd13> Swallow: -> http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/clibrary/cstdio/printf.html 15:42:52 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:57 <Pikka> a conflation of "to buy it" and "to become a landowner" (where the land in question is a cemetary plot), apparently. 15:43:00 <SpComb> if OpenTTD provides some kind of debug-output layer, then you should use that instead of printf directly 15:43:52 <ln> "X bought the farm" was used occasionally in Robert Heinlein's novel Starship Troopers. 15:44:21 <ccfreak2k> Another possible history is the fact that death benefits would be paid, which could be enough to pay off a mortgage for a house...or farm. 15:44:41 <skidd13> SpComb: true... but that's mostly used for "ingame" debug... printf is IMO faster for dev debug, but thats personal ;) 15:48:55 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37eb8.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 15:49:14 <peter1138> ln, yes 15:59:29 <ccfreak2k> YAPP looks really cool. 15:59:31 <ccfreak2k> :( 15:59:43 <peter1138> it is. why ":(" ? 16:01:35 <ccfreak2k> Because I'd have to patch openttd to use it. 16:01:48 <Belugas> Someone told me during the weekend that it has desynched, on a coop game 16:02:10 <ccfreak2k> Well I play offline anyway. 16:03:51 <Belugas> that is irrelevant. If there is a problem, it has to be fixed. We can not release something that works only for offline players. I hope you do understand that :) 16:04:27 <ccfreak2k> I never asked/demanded it to be released. 16:04:40 <Belugas> note that said desynch report might not be related to YAPP at all, for what it's worth... 16:04:41 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499ED21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:19:03 <michi_cc> Belugas: a desync directly related to YAPP is rather unlikely because there isn't any randomness in YAPP. It's of course entirely possible that I'm using some pre-existing functionallity in a not-quite-as-designed way leading to desyncs. 16:19:23 <peter1138> well 16:19:23 *** xintron [xintron@titan.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:32 <peter1138> i reckon committing it will find it quicker ;) 16:19:47 <michi_cc> of course, it would help if such errors are actually reported to me. and without any savegame there's exactly zero I can do 16:19:55 *** xintron [xintron@titan.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 16:23:42 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499ED21.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:27:55 *** Touqen_ [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:29:40 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:30:19 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498DE09.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:35:36 <Belugas> GRANTED michi_cc 16:35:37 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 16:35:39 <Belugas> MMH... 16:35:45 <Belugas> granted michi_cc 16:35:48 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41648.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:35:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:36:25 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 16:37:41 <Belugas> toolbar_gui is a nest of hardcoded nyumbers 16:37:58 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 16:38:41 <Dr_Link> So, Chris Sawyer's Locomotion or the original Transport Tycoon Deluxe. Which one do you find more fun? 16:39:36 <Belugas> OpenTTD all the way :) 16:39:59 <Prof_Frink> Well, seeing as I played TTO (Not even D) for more than ten minutes, TTD. 16:40:42 <peter1138> oin te oin 16:40:43 <peter1138> er 16:40:45 <peter1138> pom te pom 16:41:42 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:41:48 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 16:42:05 <Dr_Link> Locomotion wasn't that bad 16:42:14 <Dr_Link> in fact, it got me into The TT series. 16:43:29 <Dr_Link> Why does everyone seem to think that Locomotion was bad? 16:43:42 <Dr_Link> That's like saying... "Dig Dug" was bad when it first came out. 16:43:50 <SmatZ> why do you think so? 16:44:29 <Dr_Link> why do I think so what? 16:44:59 <Belugas> why do you think everything seem to think Locomotion was bad? 16:45:06 <SmatZ> why do you think people dislike Locomotion? 16:48:52 <Dr_Link> because everywhere I look up Locomotion related information, it usually says somewhere that the author preferred TT(D) more. 16:49:29 <Dr_Link> I liked Locomotion a lot, though, and most people didn't like it because of the interface. I guess it came naturally for me because I played Chris Sawyer's RollerCoaster Tycoon first. 16:49:43 <Belugas> good point 16:49:52 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:55 <Belugas> most of the time, people complain about the interface 16:50:03 <Dr_Link> screw that, it was EASY For me. 16:50:10 <Dr_Link> And TTD wasn't that hard to figure out either. 16:50:46 <Belugas> screw what? people judgment and experience of playing? 16:50:51 <Belugas> sorry, but srew you then 16:51:14 <Belugas> don't judge people based on your own perception 16:51:21 <Dr_Link> no, screw the opinion of people who said it was the most horrible game ever because of one or two design flaws. 16:51:22 <Belugas> this is silly 16:51:43 <Dr_Link> I found one that was 1/5 stars on the game because they didn't like the lack of sub-toolbars. 16:51:45 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 16:51:47 <Dr_Link> I'd say the new system is a bit better because you have an idea of where it goes in a linear form (because trains do move in a linear fashion) instead of just laying down random track... it also prevents those terrible mis-alignment mistakes. 16:51:54 <Dr_Link> that's why it came natrually for me. 16:52:02 <Dr_Link> I had a bit of a learning curve learning TTD. 16:52:36 <Belugas> you are entirely entitled to like it. it is your opinion and your right. do not deny those who are not in accordance with your views, please 16:53:00 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0009b3.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:11 <Dr_Link> I suppose I did deny it. But, on the same token, if they were in my position they would have done the same to me. 16:53:18 <Dr_Link> Anyway. 16:56:00 <Belugas> granted, but they are not in your position. for the record, i tried loco before touching ttd. it did not felt as natural as ttd was. and my gaming experience was one of Myst (and others of the series). And other games back in the 1980s, if ou see waht i mean 16:56:54 <Belugas> so i sticked to ttd because i wanted to play long hours with an interface that was nice and clean for me. that's how i felt and still do 16:57:04 <Belugas> so, really, a personnal situation 16:58:04 <Dr_Link> I suppose, from my standpoint, there are a lot of diverse personal situations out there 16:58:14 <Dr_Link> I started with Sawyer's RCT series. 16:58:35 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:50 <Dr_Link> But I jumped to the TT series when RCT3 came out because... well, I say the interface sucks on this game just as much as what other people think about Locomotion's!! 17:01:45 <Belugas> so this is why debates over personnal preferences is basically not sane at all 17:02:09 <Belugas> yu can argue about something that is based on logic 17:02:12 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B81693.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:02:48 <Belugas> but as soon as the emotional part kicks in, it's useless 17:03:05 * Bjarni wonders about a system to enforce proper speaking on TV 17:03:31 <Bjarni> they just talked about the US state of Missiffifi (or something like that) 17:03:48 <Bjarni> >_< 17:03:56 <Belugas> close the TV, then :) 17:04:00 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B8370E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:04:30 <Bjarni> Belugas: actually I was thinking about other people 17:04:32 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5353F911.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04:47 <Belugas> don't care about them. care abuot yourself 17:04:58 <Bjarni> I know how to speak but I bet when some people hear it incorrect then they will speak incorrect 17:05:30 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r13533 /trunk/src/ (bridge_gui.cpp town_gui.cpp): -Codechange: Replace direct class member access of GUIList with the appropriate function calls 17:05:47 <Bjarni> you see somebody got the idea to replace a certain word by another word (a made up one that sounded somewhat like it) and now it's fairly common that people can't figure out to say the right one 17:05:51 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@53560DA2.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:05:54 *** Mchl [~mchlpl@abfi63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 17:06:12 <Bjarni> I mean you hear politicians and other important people on TV/radio using the incorrect one 17:06:22 <Mchl> hello 17:06:41 <Bjarni> Hello Mchl 17:06:44 * peter1138 plays with ZynAddSubFX 17:07:04 <Bjarni> btw how do you say Mchl? 17:07:21 <Bjarni> My Polish isn't good enough to figure it out on my own :( 17:07:39 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1DBA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:08:40 <peter1138> how do you pronounce bjarni? 17:08:52 <Zahl> like byarny 17:08:56 *** gousty [gousty@silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #openttd 17:08:58 <Bjarni> like it's spelled :) 17:09:17 <peter1138> buh-jar-nee then 17:09:25 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::ea7:beef] has joined #openttd 17:09:28 <Bjarni> buh? 17:09:42 <peter1138> bee-jar-nee? 17:09:49 <peter1138> j is not y in english 17:10:01 <Mchl> Bjarni: You spell it 17:10:04 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r13534 /trunk/src/ (group_gui.cpp vehicle_gui.cpp): -Codechange: Replace the main part of VehiclesListBase sorting with GUIList function calls 17:10:10 <Zahl> yeah thats why i replaced it :P 17:10:20 <Mchl> it's my name stripped of vowels 17:10:35 <peter1138> mochul! 17:10:43 <Bjarni> so you are named Amichel? 17:10:50 <Mchl> err... not really 17:10:54 <Zahl> mochool 17:11:03 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 17:11:08 <Prof_Frink> peter1138's real name is peteriieb, but the's trying to be 1337. 17:11:14 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r13535 /trunk/src/sortlist_type.h: 17:11:14 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Protect GUIList internals 17:11:14 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Fix: VL_FIST_SORT should be set after list rebuild too 17:11:14 <peter1138> yes 17:11:15 <Bjarni> Macahala? 17:11:25 <pavel1269> hi 17:11:29 <Mchl> not good 17:11:30 <peter1138> skidd13: separate commits! 17:11:35 <Belugas> michel 17:11:45 <Mchl> that's closer 17:11:50 <Prof_Frink> Dave. 17:11:50 <peter1138> mikhala? 17:11:53 <glx> michal 17:11:54 <Zahl> my nick is my name stripped of consonants 17:11:57 <skidd13> peter1138: .... :( sorry 17:11:58 <Zahl> err wait... 17:12:02 <Mchl> Michel is my name in French 17:12:11 <Bjarni> French? 17:12:11 <Belugas> Michou! 17:12:12 <Prof_Frink> Michelle. 17:12:22 <Bjarni> why French? 17:12:25 <Mchl> in polish it's Micha³ 17:12:37 <Belugas> because some people might be French... 17:12:44 <pavel1269> so glx was right 17:13:08 <Mchl> yeah 17:13:17 <Mchl> apart from l-³ issue 17:13:18 <peter1138> Prof_Frink is really prof-underscore-frink 17:13:23 <Bjarni> <Mchl> in polish it's Micha³ <-- then why isn't your nick Micha? 17:13:33 <peter1138> ³ is not a letter :D 17:13:34 <glx> my keyborad doesn't have weird chars 17:13:39 <Bjarni> --- micha :No such nick/channel 17:13:49 <Mchl> lol 17:13:56 <pavel1269> i cant type "³" ... only with ctrl + c ... ;) 17:14:07 <Prof_Frink> You mean mmb 17:14:11 <Bjarni> <glx> my keyborad doesn't have weird chars <-- like Ï and ° and ? 17:14:19 <Maedhros> i can't even see ï¿œ ;) 17:14:22 <Maedhros> 'tis not in my font 17:14:29 <Prof_Frink> I can see it. 17:14:35 <SmatZ> yeah, I see it, too 17:14:36 <Prof_Frink> It's a question mark in a diamond. 17:14:43 <SmatZ> nice square 17:14:52 <Mchl> try to pronounce that 17:15:01 <SmatZ> s-q-u-a-r-e 17:15:06 <glx> Å 17:15:06 <Prof_Frink> mishasplat 17:15:28 <Mchl> rofl 17:15:36 * Prof_Frink straightens out glx's character 17:15:36 <Prof_Frink> t 17:15:57 <Mchl> here's article about strange letter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%81 17:16:17 <glx> that's what I typed 17:16:17 <Prof_Frink> Well, why didn't you say that? 17:16:17 <Mchl> and if you wan't to pronounce my name say: me how 17:16:20 <Mchl> in english 17:16:27 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai^Kendo`off 17:16:27 <Prof_Frink> Mchl is a cat. 17:16:42 <Mchl> a cat? 17:17:04 <Prof_Frink> Miaow. 17:17:20 <Mchl> that's how my cousins from USA call me... yes...' 17:18:05 <Sacro> SmatZ: it's not a square 17:18:34 <Bjarni> http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/chars.png <-- this is what it looks like on my monitor 17:18:48 <Bjarni> and yes all the chars I wrote are on my keyboard 17:19:11 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: The char you copypasta'd came out as superscript 3 17:19:35 *** Osai^Kendo`off is now known as Osai 17:19:47 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.9.233.252] has joined #openttd 17:19:51 <Bjarni> ? 17:20:33 <Wolf01> hello 17:20:36 <Mchl> yeah, that happens 17:20:49 <Bjarni> looking at the png I noticed a typo >_< 17:20:58 <Bjarni> which I didn't notice until now 17:21:07 <Bjarni> *keyboard 17:21:12 <Mchl> it's ISO-8859-1 and ISO-8859-2 compatibility 17:21:16 <Bjarni> in case you are unable to figure it out :P 17:21:34 <Prof_Frink> http://alanblanchflower.co.uk/images/flobble.png 17:21:36 <Mchl> or lack of it actually :P 17:22:05 <Bjarni> oh like that 17:22:39 <glx> Mchl: topic says UTF8 17:22:48 <Mchl> once I got my debit card with 3 superscript instead of proper letter 17:23:07 <Bjarni> nice 17:23:12 <Prof_Frink> That'll be you UTFail8ing. 17:23:14 <Bjarni> specially if they were the pin code 17:23:30 <Prof_Frink> numbercode! 17:24:06 <Mchl> my client says it's UTF-8... 17:24:09 <Mchl> :( 17:24:59 <Prof_Frink> How murky. 17:25:26 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 17:25:47 <Mchl> I'll just stick to ASCII, to avoid further confusion... 17:25:53 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:26:56 <pavel1269> can anyone help me with getting squirrel to work? :X i am confused about that very much ... 17:27:03 <Prof_Frink> Feed it nuts. 17:27:28 <Bjarni> only a dick would do that 17:27:57 <Sacro> Bjarni: you'd know 17:28:27 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: belugas * r13536 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: 17:28:27 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Bit shifting is not really required when you know exactly the value to use. 17:28:27 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: Even more when it's a parameter. 17:31:19 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498DE09.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 17:35:14 <pavel1269> noone here works in squirrel or trying to make own AI? :/ 17:35:41 * dih has  too ;-) 17:36:05 <dih> pavel1269: whats the matter? 17:36:11 <dih> got issues with sq? 17:36:54 <glx> pavel1269: there's #openttd.noai for that 17:37:13 <pavel1269> oh, thx 17:37:52 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:40:37 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499ED21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:47:53 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]] 17:50:42 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499ED21.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:51:25 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 17:52:19 *** Dr_Link [~TMS@71-12-20-070.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has quit [Quit: reboot] 17:55:26 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-105-225.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:58:33 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host86-146-18-220.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:59:17 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 18:03:42 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-105-225.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:01 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-146-18-220.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:05:25 <Belugas> there... refreshed -> http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/patches/toolbar_enumifying.diff 18:13:08 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4392.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 18:17:29 * peter1138 checks 18:17:57 <peter1138> yay, less magic :D 18:18:21 <peter1138> though that GfxFillRect is a bit mystic 18:18:27 <Belugas> true 18:18:29 <peter1138> unrelated to the patch of course :) 18:18:42 <Belugas> many more are needed to be fixed and documented, by the way 18:18:51 <Belugas> all that drop down stuff, for instance 18:19:03 <Belugas> Gfx... got to scratch it a bit now... 18:19:15 <Belugas> next patch tough 18:23:59 <peter1138> :) 18:45:40 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:53:46 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has left #openttd [] 18:54:31 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:42 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:56:58 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 18:59:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.170.253] has joined #openttd 19:31:54 <peter1138> hm 19:31:58 <peter1138> in my profiling 19:32:04 <peter1138> of pile transport 19:32:16 <peter1138> for 1000 ticks 19:32:20 <peter1138> trunk: 8.23 seconds 19:32:24 <peter1138> yapp: 6.11 seconds 19:32:51 <Ammler> how to change that, so we would also see the train number? assert(IsFrontEngine(v)); 19:33:00 <peter1138> what? 19:33:09 <Ammler> we have asserts with yapp all the time 19:33:27 <Ammler> I think, It would help, if we know, which vehicle that was. 19:33:36 <peter1138> if (!IsFrontEngine(v)) error("somethingsomething %d", v->unitnumber); or something like that 19:33:53 <Ammler> would you print something else? 19:34:20 <Ammler> can I include that only serverside? 19:34:22 <Belugas> what about "whateveryouwant" ? 19:34:31 <Ammler> hmm? 19:34:45 <Ammler> what do you want? 19:35:03 <Rubidium> peter1138: odd results, I got the opposite result (using gprof) 19:35:09 <ln> http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/a-remarkable-photo-from-tornado-country/ 19:36:28 <peter1138> trunk: 1.94 3.46 0.16 12679237 0.00 0.00 Train::GetImage(Direction) const 19:36:34 <peter1138> yapp: 3.03 2.13 0.19 12676062 0.00 0.00 Train::GetImage(Direction) const 19:36:42 <peter1138> some things are different 19:36:47 <peter1138> but overall it's less 19:36:54 <peter1138> maybe more than a 1000 ticks is needed 19:38:30 <peter1138> oh, and more than one run each? heh 19:38:54 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13537 /trunk/src/ (14 files in 3 dirs): -Fix [FS#2090](r13523): QSortT won't work this way, use Dimension instead of uint16[2] for resolutions 19:38:57 <Rubidium> yup 19:39:08 <peter1138> what save did you profile? pile? 19:39:17 <Rubidium> my conclusion was: about 20% extra time used by TrainController 19:39:26 <Rubidium> peter1138: one of the pile's yes 19:39:38 <peter1138> hmm 19:39:44 <peter1138> 5.83% for traincontroller itself in trunk 19:39:51 <peter1138> 5.89% for traincontroller in yapp 19:39:54 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:14 <peter1138> but i haven't looked at what's change inside the function 19:40:17 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 19:40:19 <peter1138> it could be half as long for all i know :) 19:40:49 <Rubidium> did you run with the same config? 19:41:15 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 19:41:52 <Ammler> would it also help, if we create a save right before the assert? 19:42:24 <peter1138> yes, same config 19:42:51 <peter1138> everything common is all in ~/.openttd 19:43:25 <Rubidium> or michi_cc silently reduces the impact 19:44:07 <glx> Ammler: a save right before an assert is always good 19:44:08 <peter1138> using ./configure --enable-profiling=1 19:44:58 <Ammler> glx: can I include a function to create that? 19:45:15 <Ammler> or is that too late then? 19:45:40 <peter1138> if you know it's going to crash then it is already too late 19:45:56 <Rubidium> move autosave to daily and don't thread it 19:46:06 <glx> the best way is to use an msvc release 19:46:16 <glx> on assert it creates a dump 19:46:34 <Ammler> michi_cc: asked for save, but we are not albe to reproduce it, it just happens areound every 3-4 h 19:47:15 <Ammler> glx: server is the only one, which asserts, afaik 19:47:50 <Ammler> and that is a linux one. 19:49:02 <Ammler> Rubidium: how do I "not thread it"? 19:49:32 <glx> the assert should happen on clients too 19:50:19 <Ammler> but we just lose connection and go back to start screen 19:50:39 <Ammler> oh, it might be some clients crahses too 19:50:59 <Rubidium> that sounds like a desync too 19:51:24 <Rubidium> if the server dies in an assert in the 'game code', then the clients must die too 19:51:29 <Rubidium> otherwise they are in desync 19:52:52 <Ammler> Rubidium: well, I am not sure anymore 19:52:58 <Ammler> myself wasn't connected. 19:56:01 <Bjarni> hmmm.... great route planning tool. I just typed in that I need to go from station A to station B (basically) and I want to know which departure that fits my time needs. It would take 6-8 minutes by train but it did manage to recommend a 20 minute bus ride o_O 20:03:33 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:15 <Wolf01> 'night 20:06:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.9.233.252] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:07:25 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 20:08:42 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: frosch * r13538 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Fix (r12740)[FS#2087]: ChildSprites of foundations are not necessarily consecutive. 20:08:54 <Ammler> Rubidium: daily autosave? 20:09:40 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@53560DA2.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:09:46 <pavel1269> gn 20:11:55 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 20:13:20 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 20:16:55 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r13539 /trunk/src/video/win32_v.cpp: -Fix (r13537): signed/unsigned warnings 20:20:02 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-207-35-180.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:26:00 * Belugas yawns 20:26:05 * Belugas stretches 20:26:14 * Belugas wants to go home 20:27:11 <Touqen_> Want to quit my job for me? 20:27:15 *** Touqen_ is now known as Touqen 20:27:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:28:17 <Belugas> you would not be able to sustain it a week ;) 20:28:37 <Belugas> plus, you need to know Delphi! 20:28:43 <Belugas> and payment processing 20:28:50 <Belugas> and that is a bitch ;) 20:29:57 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:30:32 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-207-35-180.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 20:35:05 <Bjarni> Belugas: yeah... a whole lot of people understands shit about payment processing and considers it a bitch 20:35:31 <Bjarni> but I guess the latter is mainly due to their own economical skills.... or lack hereof :P 20:36:04 * Belugas nods 20:36:49 <Bjarni> a fellow student once told me that students are so poor that all of them have to have negative amounts on the bank account 20:37:06 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:37:09 <Bjarni> which has to be positive on the first every month 20:38:02 <Bjarni> I don't get that.... wouldn't it be wiser to use the same amount every month and then make sure it would not reach negative values so you will avoid the not so nice fees they charge? 20:38:32 <Bjarni> I mean the fee for using more money than you have is really nasty.... you should really work on avoiding it 20:39:33 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 20:40:30 <Bjarni> wow..... I just found some "special" desktop wallpapers online... They are special in the way that they work on both windows and mac 20:40:47 <Bjarni> err.... are there any wallpapers that are windows only or mac only? :) 20:41:06 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76783.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:41:07 *** Zealotus [~Ping@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:17 <Bjarni> last time I checked it's just an image so it would work with any OS 20:41:25 <Bjarni> except freeDOS :P 20:41:47 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:47 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:41:52 <Chrill> Bjarni, do not underestimate the power of special desktop wallpapers 20:42:15 <Bjarni> I just downloaded one 20:42:26 <Bjarni> turns out to be an 800x600 jpg 20:42:35 <Chrill> Wow, that is truly impressive 20:42:53 <Chrill> (wasn't that a normal computer screen 15 years ago?) 20:43:29 <ln> Bjarni: are those wallpapers compatible with both intel and ppc, too? 20:43:38 <Bjarni> err 20:43:47 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 20:44:07 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-178-43.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:44:14 <Bjarni> considering they show stuff of Spore, which is for Intel OSX only I don't think they tested it on PPC 20:44:17 <Bjarni> :P 20:45:00 * Rubidium wonders whether my 6637 by 3787 tiff background image would work on OSX or Windows 20:45:03 <Eddi|zuHause> my computer is totally fucked up today... 20:45:29 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 20:45:30 <Bjarni> <Chrill> (wasn't that a normal computer screen 15 years ago?) <--- I upgraded to 640x400 14 years ago 20:45:32 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76639.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:46:13 <Bjarni> didn't get anything bigger than 640x480 until 10 years ago (but then I changed the max resolution to 1600x1200) 20:49:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the first screen that i remember could already do 640x480 20:50:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that must have been in the early 90's 20:50:34 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem was graphics cards back then 20:51:14 <Eddi|zuHause> they could do 640x480 only in 16 colours, so most games did 320x200 with 256 colours instead (like civ) 20:53:04 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-137-64-250.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:54:04 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... can i remount / as ro on a running system? 20:56:08 <Rubidium> mount -o remount,ro /dev/?d?? 20:58:52 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:58:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58:54 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:59:15 <Eddi|zuHause> that says it's busy (of course) 21:00:27 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 21:00:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a bad feeling that one of my harddisks is going to fail very soon 21:01:26 <Eddi|zuHause> but i have an important presentation tomorrow, so i don't have a lot of time to take care of it 21:02:31 <Eddi|zuHause> so i wanted to take a backup of / before it's too late, and i'd rather have it ro before dd-ing 21:04:53 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0009b3.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:00 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:07:18 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:09:31 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78979.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:10:52 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> they could do 640x480 only in 16 colours <-- heh... I used 640x400 in monocrome 21:10:59 <Bjarni> aka 1 bit colours 21:11:09 <Bjarni> it actually looked nice 21:11:15 <Bjarni> believe it or not 21:11:54 <Bjarni> * Rubidium wonders whether my 6637 by 3787 tiff background image would work on OSX or Windows <-- it would work on OSX as it has a feature that allows it to scale images to fit the screen :) 21:12:41 <Rubidium> but does it support tiffs ootb? 21:13:14 <Bjarni> I think there is tiff support 21:13:30 <Bjarni> what is ootb? 21:14:23 <Rubidium> out of the box 21:14:29 <Bjarni> ahh 21:14:30 <ln> out of the bjarni 21:14:37 <Bjarni> then I would say yes 21:14:42 <Bjarni> and ignore ln :P 21:15:58 * Rubidium slaps Bjarni for mentioning someone on an ignore list 21:16:12 <Bjarni> ignore list 21:16:15 <Bjarni> now you are talking 21:16:22 * Bjarni updates his ignore list 21:16:49 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:57 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 21:17:34 <ln> in denmark, ignore lists are written on papyrus. 21:17:39 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@93-80-82-102.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:21:18 <Eddi|zuHause> <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> they could do 640x480 only in 16 colours <-- heh... I used 640x400 in monocrome <- of course nobody cares for my _real_ problems :p 21:21:48 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 21:22:20 <Bjarni> I learned ages ago not to care for people's issues if they show up online to talk about them 21:23:52 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-178-43.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:41 <Bjarni> for all I know you are getting online from a mental institute where some doctor is experimenting in getting mentally unstable people to become mentally stable by caring for people on IRC 21:26:46 <Touqen> The interwebs is a great place to vent. 21:26:57 <Touqen> It's like a "Anonymous Anonymous" 21:42:14 <Eddi|zuHause> <Bjarni> for all I know you are getting online from a mental institute where some doctor is experimenting in getting mentally unstable people to become mentally stable by caring for people on IRC <<- for all I know, that could be an exact description of you. 21:48:45 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:54:08 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: no way 21:54:15 <Bjarni> I'm coding stuff 21:54:24 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 21:54:51 <Bjarni> so if that were really true then I would either not be able to code or I would code full time 21:55:26 <Bjarni> I can code and I lack time to code which means that I got other stuff to do 21:55:31 <Bjarni> so I'm not locked up :) 21:55:45 <Bjarni> and right now I have something else to do 21:55:50 <Bjarni> which is called sleep 21:56:06 <Bjarni> or regenerating depending on your race 21:56:10 <Bjarni> goodnight 21:56:12 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41648.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:00:42 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:00:42 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:44 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 22:00:56 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:02:15 *** Mchl [~mchlpl@abfi63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: night] 22:08:18 *** ecke1 [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 22:09:57 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11:27 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37eb8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:17:47 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:53 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-151-172-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 22:25:24 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:30:05 <Ammler> oh, error does also asser, hmm 22:33:48 <Ammler> v->unitnumber gave 0 22:34:05 <Ammler> is there something else to identify "v"? 22:34:45 <Rubidium> unitnumber is not something that identifies a vehicle 22:34:59 <Rubidium> you could use the VehicleID though 22:35:04 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host86-146-18-220.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:45:05 <SmatZ> Ammler: you may use v->First()->unitnumber 22:45:13 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 22:45:16 <SmatZ> to know what was the "unitnumber" of the consist 22:45:26 <SmatZ> but yeah, v->index is unique 22:46:41 <Ammler> SmatZ: I thought, if I know, which train is quilty for the assert, if would be easier to reproduce 22:46:53 <Ammler> :-) 22:47:27 <SmatZ> Ammler: v->index identifies vehicle (it can be a loco, wagon, road vehicle, ship, effect vehicle, invalid vehicle ,. ...) 22:47:40 <SmatZ> v->First()->unitnumber is the number in game 22:47:44 <SmatZ> like "Train 650" 22:48:03 <SmatZ> v->unitnumber is zero for non-front engines (and wagons) 22:51:46 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:02:27 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:45 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:09:19 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:10:14 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 23:15:00 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18:06 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:33:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BF41.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:06 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.63.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:28 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499ED21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:40:13 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai^zZz`off 23:40:50 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:17 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:44:48 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:48:15 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 23:57:17 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37eb8.bb.sky.com] has quit []