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00:01:12 <Xaroth> Rubidium: I take it screenshot creation is basically writing a rendered frame from SDL to <output type>, right? 00:01:53 <Rubidium> no. it renders directly to the png 00:01:57 <Xaroth> hm 00:02:02 <Eddi|zuHause> last time i checked, it was a direct buffer 00:02:12 <Eddi|zuHause> not anything to do with SDL 00:02:17 <Xaroth> so, technically, --enable-dedicated + --with-png might allow for proper screenshots? 00:02:33 <Eddi|zuHause> you need a blitter, too 00:02:51 <Eddi|zuHause> or there would not be anything to buffer 00:02:59 <Rubidium> no 00:03:11 <Rubidium> as --enable-dedicated disables lots of drawing related stuff 00:03:20 <Rubidium> as in: doesn't add them to the binary 00:03:23 <Xaroth> hm, thought so 00:03:39 <Xaroth> saves another compile run and installing useless stuff to server 00:04:14 *** Spoons is now known as FauxFaux 00:05:47 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... this alain guy is on a bumping-spree 00:08:52 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:09:07 <Ammler> well, he reached to merge 2 patches to trunk :-) 00:10:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not followed commits very closely recently 00:10:54 <Ammler> he, ludde has his own wikipedia page 00:11:33 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: I meant his huge patch list with 2 green entries. 00:11:50 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, that... 00:11:53 <Eddi|zuHause> yes... 00:14:20 <Xaroth> I can always just compile -with- all the gfx libraries.. seeing they are already on this machine o_O 00:15:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Xaroth: just compile a normal build and start it with -D 00:15:21 <Eddi|zuHause> and probably -b something 00:18:46 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:19:18 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 00:24:40 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:27:38 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-158-11.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:28:07 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 00:28:30 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: ./openttd -n -b 8bpp-simple -v dedicated -m null 00:28:42 <Xaroth> -D turns -b to null 00:28:46 <Xaroth> which.. messes up screenshots 00:29:06 <Xaroth> with -n and -v dedicated you get the same result 00:29:20 <Xaroth> but with enabled blitters 00:29:53 *** Nathan [~Nathan@5acac752.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 00:30:10 <Nathan> Hello o.O? 00:30:40 *** Nathan [~Nathan@5acac752.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 00:30:57 <Zahl> ... 00:30:57 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. most. certainly. 00:32:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C02.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:02 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:33:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:40 <Zahl> weeeeee 00:35:26 <Zahl> hello Eddie|atHome 00:35:30 <Zahl> how are you doing? 00:36:51 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:40:11 *** smeding [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:41:50 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:45:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-28-138.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:21:36 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:54 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:30:34 *** wallyweb [~chatzilla@CPE00195b4da7c6-CM0012c99eb0fe.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 01:30:43 *** wallyweb [~chatzilla@CPE00195b4da7c6-CM0012c99eb0fe.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #openttd [] 01:31:16 *** Nath [~Nath@5acac752.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 01:31:28 <Nath> Hey, can anybody help me :(? 01:32:56 <Eddi|zuHause> interesting... i have a 4 seconds ping to myself... 01:36:20 <Nath> Could you help me ? 01:36:58 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 01:37:32 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 01:37:38 <glx> just tell what your problem is 01:37:43 <db48x> nath, you may get a better response if you simply ask your questions 01:38:56 <Nath> Well, I was trying to get online and I found that the "join server" button was disabled, so now I have patched and patched until my client doesnt show some graphics 01:39:01 <Nath> and I still cant get online 01:40:20 <Nath> I think I need to scrap and start again, and if someone could help me do this and then get me online. That would be great :) 01:40:34 <glx> usually when "join" is disable there's a reason :) 01:40:55 <glx> first step: what's your version? 01:41:00 <Nath> No idea 01:41:07 <Nath> How do I find out ? 01:41:09 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:41:23 <Nath> Or better still, can I start again and get up to date ? 01:41:29 <glx> it's displayed in main window title (the menu window) 01:41:29 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 01:42:17 <Nath> ok 01:42:29 <Nath> OpenTTD r15510 01:43:32 <glx> so it's a nightly 01:44:04 <Nath> yeah 01:44:11 <Nath> I extracted a nightly on it 01:44:20 <Nath> and everything else rofl 01:44:23 <glx> looking at the server list, there's only 2 compatible servers 01:44:33 <Nath> oooo 01:44:41 <Nath> name one please 01:45:12 <welshdragon> Nath, begging will get you igniored 01:45:14 <glx> they should be on top on the list and have a green dot 01:45:40 <Nath> omg 01:45:43 <glx> and one of them doesn't require any grfs 01:45:48 <Nath> How did I not see this ty! 01:46:06 <Nath> how do I fix my graphics problem ? 01:46:16 <glx> black boxes? 01:46:28 <Nath> yeah 01:46:33 <Nath> on the modern trains 01:46:49 <glx> change base graphics in options 01:47:09 <glx> opengfx is unfinished 01:47:26 <Nath> :) 01:47:32 <Nath> Its all working ^^ 01:47:45 <Nath> Last question, is it hard to host your own server? 01:48:02 <glx> not really 01:48:20 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179058219.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 01:48:23 <glx> the hardest part is firewall/router configuration 01:48:36 <Nath> I was hoping to originally make a small server where 2 friends can play with me 01:48:55 <Nath> I have forwarded ports before if thats what you mean 01:49:06 <glx> that's what I mean :) 01:49:10 <glx> @port 01:49:10 <DorpsGek> glx: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 01:49:59 <glx> if port 3979 is correctly forwarded you can host without any problems 01:50:00 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50:16 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 01:50:20 <glx> (note: you can change the port in openttd.cfg) 01:50:27 <Nath> so just port 3979 or 3978 too ? 01:50:41 <glx> 3978 is for advertising only 01:50:49 <Nath> okey 01:51:37 <glx> ie openttd connects to masterserver on port 3978, telling it on which port it should try (by default 3979) 01:51:38 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:51:49 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 01:52:17 <glx> but you can also make "private" servers (not advertised server) 01:54:00 <Elukka> what confuses me is that i can't host games 01:54:02 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:54:03 <Elukka> well, i can 01:54:06 <Elukka> but people can't join them 01:54:11 <Elukka> are there more ports i need forwarded? 01:54:50 <glx> only 3979 01:54:55 <glx> in UDP and TCP 01:54:59 <Nath> right 01:55:04 <Nath> thats the ports open 01:55:09 <Nath> now what :D 01:55:34 <Elukka> i'm fairly sure i did that port 01:56:05 <glx> Nath: now start a network game :) 01:56:28 <Nath> erm, yeah, what do i type for host address? mt global IP ? 01:56:31 <Nath> my* 01:56:49 <glx> did you press "add server" ? 01:57:00 <Nath> yes 01:57:05 <glx> you failed ;) 01:57:26 <Nath> rofl 01:57:38 <glx> "add server" is to manually add a server to the list (like a private server) 01:57:47 <Nath> so start server 01:58:37 <Nath> LAN/internet yer ? 01:58:43 <Nath> not internet advertise 01:58:44 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet559.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:59:25 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:59:55 <glx> lan/internet is for private servers yes 02:00:00 <Nath> can u see it 02:00:08 <Nath> its called "For adam and jen" 02:00:24 <glx> you need to give the adress for private servers 02:00:31 <Nath> my IP? 02:00:56 <glx> yes 02:00:58 <Nath> 90.202.199.82 02:02:07 <Nath> its there :D 02:02:12 <Nath> its there 3 times lmao 02:02:17 <Nath> but its there ^^ 02:02:50 <glx> you checked locally only no ? 02:03:02 <Nath> whaa ? 02:03:09 <Nath> i put a password on 02:04:09 <glx> I don't see it 02:04:26 <Nath> hmmm 02:05:17 <glx> for a first try you should advertise it :) 02:06:05 <glx> once it's visible in the list (without manual addition) it will work when not advertised too 02:06:17 <Nath> whaaat lol? 02:06:23 <Nath> now u got me all confused lol 02:06:26 <Nath> ok 02:06:30 <Nath> lets go back a stage 02:06:34 <Nath> I have my ports open lol 02:06:53 <glx> if advertising fail then your ports are not open :) 02:07:05 <glx> that's why I suggest this step 02:07:05 <Nath> u told me not to do it for advertising lol 02:07:50 <glx> right :) but I hoped it would work directly 02:08:00 <Nath> ok 02:08:02 <Nath> look not :P 02:09:06 <Nath> stupid thing lol 02:09:19 <glx> you didn't reboot the router? 02:10:29 <Nath> lol ok 02:10:32 <Nath> lets try that 02:10:32 <Nath> brb 02:11:58 *** Belugas1 [~belugas@ip-12.47.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 02:12:34 *** Belugas1 is now known as Belugas_Gone 02:13:25 *** Nathan [~Nathan@5ac07427.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 02:14:20 <Nathan> righty, can you look now ? 02:15:27 <glx> still nothing 02:15:58 <Nathan> yup 02:16:05 <Nathan> back to the router lol 02:16:14 <Belugas> how a joyfull one :) 02:16:14 <Nathan> do I need 2 ports opeN ? 02:16:19 <glx> could be your firewall too 02:16:28 <Nathan> it shouldnt be 02:16:46 <glx> you need 3979 redirected to your machine for UDP and TCP 02:17:43 <Ammler> (and 78 for adv) 02:18:07 <Belugas> 3978, that is... 02:18:10 <Belugas> not just 78... 02:18:13 <Belugas> just in case :S 02:18:21 <glx> Ammler: usually a router allows outbound without needing special config 02:18:25 <Ammler> :-) 02:18:36 *** Nath [~Nath@5acac752.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:18:43 <Ammler> indeed 02:19:04 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 02:19:47 <glx> Nathan: hmm you have a dynamic IP it seems 02:20:27 <Ammler> good night all 02:20:42 <Nathan> I just noticed 02:20:54 <Nathan> my local IP seems to be dynamic :P 02:21:11 <Nathan> as it used to be 198.168.0.5 02:21:17 <Nathan> and now its 0.1 02:21:43 <glx> I mean the public IP too ;) 02:21:59 <glx> your hostmask changed 02:22:07 <Nathan> it shouldnt be :P 02:22:13 <Nathan> and how would u know :P? 02:22:24 <glx> [03:13:30] Nathan [~Nathan@5ac07427.bb.sky.com] a rejoint #openttd 02:22:30 <glx> [03:18:41] Nath [~Nath@5acac752.bb.sky.com] a quitté IRC : Ping timeout: 480 seconds 02:22:47 <Nathan> hmmm 02:23:03 <Nathan> does that mean im not getting a server online :P? 02:23:04 <glx> anyway that doesn't matter for now :) 02:23:10 <Nathan> few ^^ 02:23:16 <Belugas> 198.168.0.x seems to to local address, although a bit strange. local network are usuall 192.168.0.x 02:23:17 <Nathan> ok then 02:23:26 <Nathan> lets try this 02:23:32 <Nathan> if it doesnt work ill reboot router 02:23:35 <Nathan> and then try agen lol 02:24:03 <glx> Belugas: yes it's the private IP :) 02:24:30 * Belugas_Gone nods 02:25:22 <Nathan> have a look now plz 02:26:15 <glx> http://www.openttd.org/en/servers <-- if it's not here then something is still wrong :) 02:26:29 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:27:25 <Nathan> on connection, iys internet (advertise) right ? 02:27:35 <glx> yes 02:27:42 <Nathan> right thne 02:27:47 <Nathan> lets restart teh router :P 02:27:54 *** Nathan [~Nathan@5ac07427.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 02:29:38 *** Nathan [~Nathan@5ac074b8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 02:30:01 <Nathan> any luck ? 02:30:45 <glx> still not visible on http://www.openttd.org/en/servers 02:31:29 <Nathan> I give up then lmao 02:31:40 <Nathan> ive done everything! :P 02:31:43 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 02:31:55 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:32:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.200.141] has joined #openttd 02:33:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.200.141] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:35:38 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 02:35:38 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 02:35:38 <glx> are you sure a firewall is not blocking it ? 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06:48:10 <Forked> morning 06:48:20 <Forked> dihedral: steal his stuff and push him over the edge? 07:03:30 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-124-186-132-32.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 07:14:11 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust620.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:14:39 *** Elukka [~elukka.el@bb-89-166-45-150.dsl.phnet.fi] has quit [] 07:19:22 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 07:22:12 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust620.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:43:34 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 08:04:45 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-31.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 08:10:45 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 08:12:44 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9F4B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:12:47 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:12:53 <Roest> mrng 08:15:04 <Xaroth> hm, how do you summon your console anyhow 08:15:37 *** |Japa| [~Japa@218.248.70.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:16:25 <Xaroth> nm 08:36:24 <planetmaker> good morning 08:36:39 <dihedral> oi 08:36:45 <dihedral> o/\o 08:36:52 <planetmaker> :) 08:38:26 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:41:07 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:48:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B8EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:05:12 *** LordAzamath [~chatzilla@82.131.18.18.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 09:10:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15512 /trunk/src/newgrf_industrytiles.cpp: -Cleanup: Codestyle fixes. 09:11:22 <DASPRiD> planetmaker, lair, this morning wasn't good :P 09:11:32 <dihedral> src/yapf/../misc/blob.hpp:369: warning: assuming signed overflow does not occur when assuming that (X - c) >= X is always false 09:11:41 <dihedral> LordAzamath, how nice to see you 09:12:01 <LordAzamath> how nice to see you too dih 09:12:03 <LordAzamath> t:D 09:12:13 <DASPRiD> how nice to see you both 09:12:57 *** LordAzamath is now known as LA 09:13:13 <dihedral> LA = Local Authority 09:13:32 <DASPRiD> yeah like Los Angeles ;) 09:13:39 <LA> ;) 09:14:06 <planetmaker> hihi 09:14:23 <DASPRiD> By the way, translation of "Los Angeles" was "City of dead people", correct? 09:14:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15513 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Cleanup: Unavailable varaction variable value does not matter, but at least it can be consistent. 09:15:07 <petern> city of angels 09:15:28 <DASPRiD> angels are dead people 09:15:29 <DASPRiD> so ;) 09:15:34 <petern> no 09:15:39 <petern> angels are fictional 09:15:40 <LA> angels are not dead ppl lol 09:15:54 <dihedral> what is ppl? 09:16:01 <DASPRiD> short for people 09:16:09 <dihedral> duh - it was a friendly hint! 09:16:19 <DASPRiD> oh :( 09:16:30 <LA> well sorry, my MTA time has made me talk in leetspeek a bit:P 09:16:49 <DASPRiD> LA, that is not leetspeek :P 09:16:55 <LA> th1s 1s 09:16:57 <dihedral> your Mail Transfer Agent time? 09:17:09 <LA> no, Multi Theft Auto: San Andreas 09:17:26 <dihedral> is that not GTA? 09:17:26 <DASPRiD> so you TTL? 09:17:37 <LA> Multi as in multiplayer 09:17:52 <LA> ;) 09:18:06 <DASPRiD> LA, did you play gta4 yet? 09:18:19 <LA> I have 09:18:22 <LA> but I don't have it 09:18:39 <dihedral> btw - this Alain is annoying - he revived how many threads last night - just saying eithe 'nice' or 'update for me' 09:18:41 <LA> because my pc sucks way too much for it 09:18:49 <dihedral> one of the threads was nearly 3 years dead 09:18:57 <dihedral> what an ***** 09:19:05 <DASPRiD> sowe must renice him 09:19:33 <DASPRiD> dihedral, by the way, we should meet another day again for a beer or such 09:19:49 <dihedral> aye 09:20:46 <DASPRiD> argh i want my small monitor replaced, stupid comboboxes use to get into the dead area of the bigger rectangle 09:21:02 <petern> hehe 09:21:40 <petern> align at the bottom, then that won't happen 09:21:49 <DASPRiD> it is 09:22:06 <DASPRiD> but phpmyadmin database dropdown goes to top :/ 09:22:11 <petern> lol 09:22:26 <DASPRiD> anyway, second 30 inch arrives the next days, then the problem is solved :) 09:22:40 <petern> dlol 09:22:41 <petern> yeah 09:22:46 <petern> it does it for me too :( 09:23:01 <DASPRiD> thats a pitty problem 09:23:07 <DASPRiD> are you on linux as well? 09:23:31 <dihedral> no he's a windows guy 09:23:55 <DASPRiD> i never thought that windows, with currently the best multi-monitor support, has this problem as well :x 09:24:36 <DASPRiD> petern, you should throw windows out of the window 09:24:41 *** Scuanor [~Scuanor@Pde46.p.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 09:24:44 <Scuanor> hi 09:24:58 <dihedral> DASPRiD, he does the win port of OpenTTD..... 09:25:04 <dihedral> that would be a real bummer if he did 09:25:07 <DASPRiD> oh 09:25:20 <DASPRiD> who needs win ports? ;) 09:25:26 <petern> ... 09:25:33 <Scuanor> people with winputes? 09:25:36 <planetmaker> 75% of the users according to download, DASPRiD ... 09:25:43 <planetmaker> or something of that number 09:26:01 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a pretty low number 09:26:04 <DASPRiD> you should package the ubuntu iso with the windows-download, problem solved ;) 09:26:19 <dihedral> DASPRiD, there are a few devs who develop on windows systems, no imagine them not deving for OpenTTD just because there were no win port ;-) 09:26:22 <petern> *yawn* 09:26:40 <KingJ> Yes, because that uses hardly any bandwidth DASPRiD ;) 09:26:44 <DASPRiD> ah well, ok, petern may go on ;) 09:26:47 * dihedral hands petern a huge mug of yummy-coffee 09:26:59 <DASPRiD> KingJ, it's accomodable 09:28:09 <dihedral> KingJ, if bandwidth is a problem, then start spending less time on irc (all other chat systems), any p2p app....... 09:28:12 * DASPRiD steals petern's yummy-coffee 09:28:20 <Scuanor> "hey folks, now all new : openttd with ubuntu-OS included, sorry, you cant do ANYTHING else then anymore with your pc than playing openttd, but seriously, all you do now is bad stuff anyways, so we packaged it really tiny just for you, to switch the OS just for us " yummy idea ;o) 09:29:06 <Scuanor> did i heard someone yelling "censorship!!!" ? naaah... 09:29:14 <DASPRiD> Scuanor, well, they can still play all idTech* games ;P 09:30:23 <Scuanor> whatr about the MSvc project im developing since 2 years? 09:30:44 <Scuanor> or my daughters playskool-learning programs? 09:30:45 <Scuanor> ;o) 09:31:38 <planetmaker> such is life, Scuanor :P 09:31:39 <DASPRiD> native alternatives or wine... or in the worst case virtualbox with seemlesss-mode ;P 09:32:04 <Scuanor> okay. and how much money do i have to pay you to teach me that? 09:32:27 <DASPRiD> Scuanor, i'm fine with 45$/hour 09:32:49 <Scuanor> phew.. im lucky i guess ;o) 09:33:07 <DASPRiD> he, thats still cheaper than windows :P 09:33:35 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=427422#p427422 <- last 3 posts ;-) 09:33:41 <Scuanor> however, at least you package ubuntu with it, adn not a debian raw "selfcompile"distro 09:35:00 <Scuanor> oh my... OO 09:35:08 <petern> ... 09:35:10 <Scuanor> there are bridges now in ottd??? 09:35:26 <petern> you mean gentoo, i guess, not debian... 09:35:30 <DASPRiD> omg 09:36:07 * DASPRiD hands Scuanor an LFS manual 09:36:13 <KingJ> dihedral, thankfully bandwidth isn't an issue for me 09:36:28 * Scuanor gnaws on it 09:37:15 <DASPRiD> hm, somebody should publish a WFS ;P 09:37:25 <Scuanor> °then smiles, as he sees the additional "n" at the articleword° 09:38:06 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:38:11 <DASPRiD> the n fits pretty well there :P 09:38:29 <Scuanor> it was an expression of appreciation 09:38:57 <DASPRiD> :x 09:39:14 <Scuanor> its always nice to see people who actually know their language. 09:39:21 <dihedral> Scuanor, /me ? 09:39:30 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103f2.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40:07 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103f2.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 09:40:21 <DASPRiD> Scuanor, sorry, that's not my language :| 09:41:06 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:41:18 <Scuanor> DASPRiD: funny, isnt it? 09:41:27 <Scuanor> dihedral: im not sure i get, what you refer to now 09:41:34 <DASPRiD> Don't know, I didn't laugh ;) 09:41:41 <dihedral> /me is happy 09:41:44 * dihedral is happy 09:41:52 * DASPRiD pets dihedral 09:42:08 * dihedral slaps a large trout with DASPRiD 09:42:13 <Scuanor> DASPRiD: i mean, funny that often not.natives speak better english than natively "speaking" people. ( not very weird though, kinda logical even ) 09:42:29 <DASPRiD> Scuanor, ah, yeah, indeed 09:42:41 <DASPRiD> Probably because we learned it the straight way in school 09:42:50 * DASPRiD stabs dihedral with a rusty nuclear sub-marine. 09:43:07 <Scuanor> DASPRiD: even more so because we try to be correct, so natives can understand us. 09:43:16 <DASPRiD> Hehe yeah 09:43:20 * dihedral shoves the sub up DASPRiD ass 09:43:33 <dihedral> SIDEWAYS, no Vaseline 09:44:20 * DASPRiD poops 09:44:46 <DASPRiD> Scuanor, but rally, "a LFS" sounds a bit weird ;) 09:45:02 <DASPRiD> s/ra/rea 09:46:02 <Scuanor> hm, not only that, but it makes this awful, hard "A AL EFF ESS" phonetical noise. compared to the smooth, jellylike "annalfes" 09:46:37 <Scuanor> damn... jelly and anal in one sentence... not good, we just had that topic 09:47:32 <DASPRiD> That's what i meant :) 09:52:30 <dihedral> http://sulai.ammler.ch/plugins/autoIN/collision.html <- trying to patch the same thing in twice (2 different versions) those are signs of AS 09:52:35 <dihedral> AS = Alain Syndrome :-P 09:53:19 <DASPRiD> Action Script :x 09:53:57 *** Pikka [~user@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 09:54:42 <dihedral> chu 09:55:44 <Pikka> I say I say 09:55:53 * Pikka pokes petern with a spanner 10:01:07 <petern> hello there sonny jim 10:01:15 <Pikka> good evening madam 10:01:17 <petern> heh, vserver pisses of chkrootkit :D 10:01:38 *** mikl [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 10:01:52 <Pikka> petern: your server, brick chain, out of date 10:01:59 <petern> oh dear 10:02:19 <Pikka> hence, no joinie! 10:02:34 <Pikka> although since my internet is screwed at home I doubt I could play anyway :) 10:03:08 <petern> the perils of paths 10:03:19 <Pikka> oui 10:04:53 <petern> and i can't just restart it as i have a (a!) player 10:05:01 <petern> hmmz 10:05:19 <petern> i had a lovely simple patch for grf id inside varaction chains 10:05:24 <petern> then i remembered it wouldn't work 10:05:44 <Scuanor> sorry, petern: that should be "an a-player" ;oP 10:05:57 <petern> Scuanor, no it wouldn't 10:06:03 <Pikka> but if you're using an obsolete grf that no-one else has, you won't be getting any more players. ;) 10:06:10 <Scuanor> yes, it would. 10:06:32 <petern> no 10:06:57 <Scuanor> you cant just contradict me. 10:07:17 <Pikka> yes he can 10:07:57 <Rubidium> and a /ignore is just won by... 10:08:13 <Forked> not me! : 10:08:20 <Pikka> who said that? 10:08:38 <Rubidium> Pikka: who said what? 10:09:03 <petern> Scuanor is clearly not acquainted with english very well 10:09:27 <petern> wait a minute 10:09:29 <Pikka> *very goodly. 10:09:41 <petern> is this brick chain not on banananananananas? 10:09:59 <Pikka> non 10:10:06 <Forked> rincewind knew how to spell the word banana, he just didn't know when to stop (not the exact quote, but pretty close?) 10:10:11 <Scuanor> petern, then iwouldnt know what aquainted means ;o) so i explain my poor joke... it IS "a (a!) player", but not "a a-player". ( i just reinterpreted your (a!) 10:10:13 <petern> Rubidium, with the tar files, how does one specify a grf inside one, manually, in the newgrf list? 10:10:28 <Pikka> the current version of PBI has some problems with OTTD I think... the scenario editor? 10:10:34 <Pikka> and there won't be a new version for a while 10:10:41 <Rubidium> foo.tar/bar.grf IIRC 10:10:42 <Pikka> so I decided not to banananananana it yet 10:12:08 <Rubidium> hmm, or without the .tar 10:12:21 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 10:12:54 <petern> heh, need newgrf gui for dedicated servers... 10:13:21 <Rubidium> for foo.tar: foo/bar.grf 10:13:32 <petern> mmm, right 10:13:44 <dihedral> Scuanor, a joke in the need of explanation aint no good joke 10:14:02 <dihedral> <petern> heh, need newgrf gui for dedicated servers... <- lol 10:14:55 <Eddi|zuHause> always take a banana to a party. 10:17:08 <dihedral> petern, would it be possible to, when openttd is started and no data files are found, not not display the error message until the game tried to download opengfx from bananas? 10:17:48 <dihedral> that way, openttd would (if a net connection was available) always be able to start 10:18:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i really don't like programs which unaskedly connect to the internet 10:18:56 <Eddi|zuHause> (is "unaskedly" even a word?) 10:18:58 <dihedral> well, ok, prompt them :-D 10:19:21 <Eddi|zuHause> no, rather make that a feature of the installer 10:19:25 <Pikka> they connect to the internet unbidden! 10:20:26 <dihedral> feature of installer would mean it's only supported by a single os 10:21:30 <petern> which program is that? 10:21:54 <petern> New mail received Wed Feb 18 02:00 2009 (GMT) Unread since Thu Jul 13 09:24 2006 (BST) 10:21:58 <petern> pom te pom 10:22:08 <Pikka> porn te porn 10:23:33 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103f2.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23:39 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103f2.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:27:41 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103f2.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:28:17 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103f2.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:38:18 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103f2.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:38:22 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f850.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:38:38 <Pikka> bleepy you card... 10:40:18 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 10:40:26 <petern> hmm, user data is a byte, isn't it? 10:40:41 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:47:18 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:47:55 <petern> prop 25 10:54:06 *** nib [~arrgg@145.25-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 10:57:36 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f850.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:58:13 <nib> updated to the new version, (installed over the 0.5) getting savegame errors in joining multiplayer games, and at every monthly save. Anything i can do to correct this, or better wipe and full install? 10:59:10 <Scuanor> nib: is the error gone, if you save yearly? ( aka is it related to saving or the monthly stuff that happens ) 10:59:58 <nib> kept playing with it, for a while. I had the idea it could be patch related, but nothing in the configfile to be found regarding a savepath 11:00:42 <Rubidium> the save path is where the config file is 11:00:58 <Rubidium> and apparantly you don't have the rights to write where the config file is 11:01:55 <Rubidium> and yes... even if you can write there with Windows Explorer another program might not have rights to write there (welcome to the world of Vista) 11:02:36 <Scuanor> yikes! °mnamkes a note to never switch to vista... ( the 347653rd of such notes ) 11:02:58 <Scuanor> one can though specifiy a different path and drive for saving, right? 11:03:11 <petern> yeah, security is something not desired in an OS 11:03:17 <dihedral> Scuanor, where your config is 11:03:18 <Scuanor> ( within the save game dialog i mean ) 11:03:28 <petern> chmod 777 -R / 11:03:33 <dihedral> the save game dialog is not related to autosave 11:03:33 <nib> worked correct prior with the 0.5 under vista. That location did not pose a problem at that time. Manually saving works fine though. 11:03:45 <Scuanor> dihedral: args, my fault 11:04:04 <dihedral> perhaps vista does not just see OpenTTD, nib, but OpenTTD 0.5.0 and 0.7.0 11:05:20 <Scuanor> or your harddrive is full °giggles° 11:05:52 <nib> probably things are running through eachother after updating. Scuanor, in theory maybe. 11:06:30 <Scuanor> nib, not in practice though i think, you woul certainly get more obvious results in windows, if C: were totally full even to save such small files 11:07:43 <nib> Correct, and i've just a week ago upgraded my laptop from 160 to 320 gig, and adjusted the ratio for linux usage. Maybe i should see if i can get it to work under linux instead. 11:08:00 <Scuanor> it was more a pun onthose situation where we seek for hours at detailed, deep reasons and oversee a very simple cause "my network is not working" then seeking for 5 hours the reason until we find out, the plug fell out 11:08:31 * nib knows... works on an adsl hel(l/p)desk. 11:08:32 <Scuanor> ( happened to me exactly that way ) °sighs° 11:08:32 <SmatZ> nib: it would be nice, our secret plan is to convince people to start using linux ;-) 11:09:16 <Scuanor> SmatZ: is that, why many building in ottd are shaped like L, I, N, U and X's? ;oP 11:09:25 <SmatZ> Scuanor: hehe :) 11:09:54 <SmatZ> nib: try finding and deleting openttd.cfg 11:10:20 <Scuanor> and for trains which, regardless how i set the signals, always seem to paint "linux" across the land while they decide to follow tracks i had laid out, but not for that reason? ;o) 11:10:40 * nib i never give linux to lamers that get manage to get themselves infected within hours again. I say linux is too complicated, i will give you knoppix for if you need the internet. 11:11:08 <nib> that's an idea worthwhile Smatz. 11:12:20 <SmatZ> nib: probably you will also need to move openttd/save directory to $HOME\OpenTTD\save ... or so 11:12:33 <petern> s/need/want/ 11:12:35 <Scuanor> °agrees partly with nib on the too complicate issue° "however, i downloaded ubuntu 8.10 and its really more like windows reagrding installing and setting it up 11:12:39 *** Pikka [~user@58.173.248.50] has left #openttd [] 11:12:49 <nib> looks promising i all of a sudden can join a game as a spectator. 11:13:30 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765640#p765640 <- "do this patch still in dev" :-D 11:13:33 <dihedral> lovely 11:13:41 <Scuanor> SmatZ: "try finding" now thats just mean °winks and smiles° 11:13:50 <dihedral> that is not even correct if translated directly into german 11:14:45 <nib> yep, downloading online content works now as well. 11:14:45 <SmatZ> Scuanor: my English is getting worse every day... 11:15:03 <Scuanor> dihedral: i bet he simply missed typing "work" after "still" 11:15:34 <Scuanor> SmatZ: i didnt meant it that way. more like "try finding that file in windows vista" 11:16:02 <SmatZ> ok :) 11:16:18 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad498.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:16:23 <Scuanor> which isnt that weird, if i think about windows xp already blocking the whole C:\ folder from tzhe users eyes on default settings 11:16:53 <Scuanor> ( dpocuments settings is a subfolder of C:\ though, i know ) 11:17:00 <dihedral> http://www.openttdblog.de <- oh my word 11:17:37 <dihedral> Scuanor, that still makes no sense 11:17:40 <SmatZ> :o) 11:18:20 <nib> Scuanor, yep that's a live cd now as well. I even gave someone a cd with amithlon, an amingaskin so to say, but perfect to convince peaple a couple of years ago that they were not using the complicated linux... But ubuntu is an excellent choice. Since the ibex it even installs directly on my laptop without having to worry about stange lockups anymore. /me blames packard bell, not canonical 11:19:38 <petern> SmatZ, how do i add stuff to the gamelog? 11:19:42 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765641#p765641 <- LOL - asking Alain if he has grf coding experience :-P 11:20:32 <Scuanor> nib, yip, im always positively amazed how knoppix works. throw it in and within a tenminute you have a full working ( although slow ) system and can just fire up the browser and the chatclient 11:21:44 <Scuanor> "does this patch still "work" in dev?" sure, it may not be oxfordian english, but i see its meaning 11:22:02 <dihedral> Scuanor, --toram 11:22:18 <Scuanor> dihedral: iie, wakarimasen ;o) 11:22:35 <dihedral> makes knoppix a wee bit faster ;-) 11:22:40 <Forked> lots of old threads waking up in the dev section of forum these days? 11:23:05 <Scuanor> dihedral: ah, now i get the context 11:23:29 <Scuanor> dihedral: that with 768 mb ram? 11:23:30 <dihedral> Forked, all due to a lovely Alain 11:23:39 <Forked> I'm sure he means well :) 11:23:39 <dihedral> Scuanor, that's your own fault 11:23:40 <Scuanor> °grins° i know theres a word missing °winks° 11:23:51 <dihedral> Forked, he means well for his patchpack 11:24:01 <dihedral> however is not doing any work of his own 11:24:11 <Forked> alot easier to make your own patchpack if everybody else does it for you 11:24:16 <dihedral> but i still could imagine him spending hours on end for that thing 11:24:29 <dihedral> Forked, nope - because not everybody will :-P 11:24:46 <SmatZ> petern: you have to call GamelogStartAction, then you can log something (GamelogGRFUpdate, GamelogSetting) - basically anything what calls GamelogChange -, and finally call GamelogStopAction 11:24:52 <dihedral> + up 2 date patches does not mean they perfectly apply to an already patched source :-P 11:24:56 * dihedral looks forward to that 11:25:24 <Scuanor> Question: wouldnt it be nice, if one could dismiss any window just by rightclicking on its titlebar? 11:26:00 <Scuanor> ( not demanding such a change i am though, not even asking for it ) 11:27:28 <dihedral> why - because you are used to it, as your window manager supports it? 11:28:20 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:28:26 <Scuanor> dihedral: actually, no. as i use windows ;o) reason is becaue it "would" be easier and faster ( im not sure though, how that works on a mac then ) 11:28:36 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet708.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 11:29:29 <dihedral> why do people always assume that mac's have no right click? 11:29:35 <Scuanor> i mean, easier and faster than clicking on a tiny widget ( especially at high resolutions (?) ) 11:30:04 <dihedral> i think people are used to it, because they have to do that with every window? 11:30:18 <Scuanor> dihedral: i do that, because i do not know better, i do remember though, theres jsut one button ( not saying there IS jsut one, just that i remember it that way ) 11:30:21 <petern> ok 11:30:51 <dihedral> you have not had a lot of contact with mac's have you? 11:31:13 <Scuanor> and such a dismissing of windows is already in the code, at the red errorwindows, right? 11:31:32 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad498.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: brb, trying to fix something] 11:31:32 <Scuanor> dihedral: not really. hence my not knowing better 11:31:47 <dihedral> can you stop highlighting me please?, i can read the lines you write perfectly well 11:31:59 <dihedral> i know you are talking to me! :-P 11:32:44 <dihedral> laptops just started to have the right mouse button directly available, else the system emulates it via ctrl+click 11:33:15 <dihedral> and external mouse has expected handling 11:33:28 <Scuanor> of course. it wasnt meant like "you need to be highlighted to know im talking to you because you dont focus" or so. i just got used to that from channels where people ask "???" at stuff that wasnt adressed to them and as this channel is pretty full always... :o) 11:33:34 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:34:27 <dihedral> thankfully those people do not reside here :-P 11:34:35 <Scuanor> ??? 11:34:38 <Scuanor> ;oP 11:34:58 <dihedral> and if there should be some of those guys, everybody here can still extend there ignore list ;-) 11:35:06 <Scuanor> ( i just did that, so no one else would have to do it ) ;o) 11:35:24 <Eddi|zuHause> or even better, their ignore list! 11:35:34 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, yes :-P 11:35:47 <Scuanor> or even "their ignorelist" ;oP 11:35:50 <dihedral> but there is a setting that would be set once for all :-P 11:36:10 <dihedral> +q :-P 11:37:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Scuanor: where did you learn that english people would concatenate words? 11:37:39 <Scuanor> nah, ignorelists are for weak people ;oP i rather suffer, but re-evaluate on a sentence-by-sentence base. its bad to judge people on just a mere sentence or 5 11:37:39 * nib has verified things, seems like all is working now. Now it's back on getting the skills back up again.... 11:37:52 * nib thanx the 'crew' 11:38:00 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:38:02 <Scuanor> °looks up the word "concatenate"° 11:38:08 *** weltende [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6] 11:38:10 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 11:38:18 *** nib [~arrgg@145.25-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [] 11:38:51 <Scuanor> ah. that is does mean. 11:39:16 <Scuanor> it just seems natural to do so. 11:39:46 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but why would english people do something that appears natural? 11:39:58 <Eddi|zuHause> they are not germans ;) 11:39:59 <Scuanor> args. you got point there. 11:41:10 <Scuanor> wouldn't that has to be (!) "they ain't germans"? 11:41:25 <dihedral> Scuanor, i doubt you suffer from yourself in a way that you would add yourself to your own ignore list 11:41:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Scuanor: no, "ain't" is AE 11:41:58 <Eddi|zuHause> (at least that is what i learned) 11:42:10 <dihedral> ain't no fun? :-P 11:42:24 <Scuanor> its okay to highlight me. i have sound off. 11:42:43 <Scuanor> AE... ah... yes, makes sense 11:43:44 <Scuanor> sometime though, i would like to ignore what was written by me, as it comes out fidderently than i thought it out. 11:43:52 <planetmaker> [12:17] <dihedral> http://www.openttdblog.de <- oh my word <-- it's a fabulous article?! 11:44:06 <Forked> it's in some foreign language me no habla comprende 11:44:23 <Scuanor> must be spanish then 11:44:33 <Scuanor> +it 11:45:00 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 11:45:11 <Scuanor> no, wait, as you understand spanish, it must be... french 11:48:30 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:52:55 <Eddi|zuHause> [12:43] <planetmaker> [12:17]<dihedral>http://www.openttdblog.de <- oh my word <-- it's a fabulous article?! <--- it looks very well written to me 11:53:09 <planetmaker> indeed 11:53:58 <Scuanor> it is. yes. sticks nicely out of the mass of degraded internet-text-posts 11:56:34 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:56:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:58:05 <Ammler> why do you need a empty sample.cat, btw.? 12:01:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:02:42 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:03:50 <Scuanor> 1. http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41212 12:03:58 <Scuanor> 2. http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Nightly 12:05:55 <dihedral> planetmaker, i did not mean the article ;-) 12:06:50 <petern> ahh, new monitor arrived :D 12:07:20 <dihedral> petern, \o/ what is it? 12:08:41 <Ammler> Scuanor: the wiki says, you don't need it. 12:09:26 <Ammler> "sample.cat (As of svn r14527 the sample.cat file is not required to play the game. Ofcourse, without it you will not have any sound effects.) " <-- that is wrong, but would be a good idea, imo. ;-) 12:12:01 <Scuanor> hm... 12:13:11 <Scuanor> 070 still needs it, yes. 12:13:52 <Scuanor> an empty one will do though, yes 12:15:24 <Scuanor> something like an OpenSFX thingy would be nice then 12:16:28 <dihedral> stuff an empty sample.cat into the source :-P 12:17:08 <Scuanor> that filename is still hardcoded? woldnt it be easier to de-reference it, if it isnt? 12:17:52 <Scuanor> °sighs° see? 12:18:06 <Scuanor> °tries to set himself on ignore° 12:19:01 <Scuanor> @ <Scuanor> sometime though, i would like to ignore what was written by me, as it comes out fidderently than i thought it out. 12:19:14 <dihedral> right - i'll help you with being added to ignore lists 12:19:18 <dihedral> starting with my own 12:19:26 <petern> what is "#openttdcoop NewGRF package" doing on bananas? 12:19:35 <dihedral> it's not the package 12:19:43 <dihedral> it's a single grf which contains a string 12:19:47 <Scuanor> dihedral: its noted. 12:20:35 <dihedral> petern, it makes it easier when checking which grfpack is required to join servers 12:20:51 <dihedral> does not really make sense to put it on bananas 12:20:55 <Ammler> petern: not really much. 12:20:56 <dihedral> as it's in the grfpack 12:20:57 <petern> ah, it doesn't provide anything anyway 12:20:59 *** hackalittlebit [~hackalitt@195.23.22.130] has joined #openttd 12:21:20 <Ammler> it has Action0 code 12:21:27 <petern> what is the point of it? 12:21:33 <dihedral> Ammler, tbh it makes no sense to put it up there 12:22:13 *** LA [~chatzilla@82.131.18.18.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 12:22:37 <dihedral> http://www.openttdcoop.org/blog/public-server/ <- it's not even loaded in the current game Ammler... cute 12:22:44 <Ammler> dihedral: read the text. 12:23:14 <dihedral> i have - it makes no sense 12:23:21 <dihedral> even TB had to think twice about it 12:23:30 <Ammler> well 12:23:44 <Ammler> I would like to hide from the page, but dunno how. 12:24:03 <Ammler> I just could hide it from the client. 12:24:19 <dihedral> not really needed there anyway 12:24:32 <dihedral> you have it in the pack, and it's only required for the pack 12:24:47 <dihedral> and the server sends the name of the grf to the client if the client does not know the name of the grf 12:25:34 <planetmaker> makes sort-of sense for savegames 12:25:39 <dihedral> anyway.... it's bananas, and it does not violate any lisences :-D 12:25:47 <dihedral> planetmaker, lovely point 12:25:51 <planetmaker> It's the grf you can obtain from bananas. And it will direct you where to obtain the other missing ones 12:25:58 <dihedral> however you will have issues loading the other grfs :-D 12:26:07 <dihedral> ah 12:26:09 <planetmaker> yes. But you'll see the grf message 12:26:24 <dihedral> true 12:26:36 <planetmaker> :) 12:26:40 <dihedral> did not think in terms of savegames 12:26:50 * Ammler still misses the web download link btw. 12:27:01 <planetmaker> for new games it doesn't add benefit, I grant that easily :) 12:27:18 <dihedral> Ammler, i though about a OpenTTDLib like thing to communicate with bananas for exactly that purpose :-D 12:27:32 <Ammler> hehe, the dummy grf has a lot downloads already. 12:27:37 <dihedral> and to show the description etc 12:31:46 <Ammler> petern: you should rather ask what TTO graphics do on banans ;-) 12:32:29 <Ammler> but they are licensed 12:42:51 <petern> heh 12:43:09 <petern> where do you draw the line? 12:43:09 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:43:29 <petern> mb and pikka both reuse parts of the original graphics, iirc 12:44:26 <Ammler> dunno, how much needs changed to call it your own. 12:44:51 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765648#p765648 <- hehe Roujin :-P 12:45:02 * dihedral assumes Roujin is reading the logs right now 12:45:12 <petern> technically everything :) 12:46:25 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861ca9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 12:46:32 <Roujin> thou assumest rightly 12:46:33 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861ca9.pool.einsundeins.de] has left #openttd [] 12:46:44 <Forked> ..okies 12:46:45 <Ammler> maybe it should just be renamed to something like old graphics 12:47:32 *** TinoM [~Tino@89.245.235.0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:47:33 <Ammler> so it isn't that obvious 12:47:51 <petern> ... 12:47:56 *** TinoM [~Tino@89.245.235.0] has joined #openttd 12:48:11 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:51:16 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:40 <dihedral> Roujin: i shall now also assume you are not supposed to be on irc when at work - and just sneak in to get rid of a comment :-P 12:51:57 * dihedral wait's for a quick join, comment, part 12:52:31 <Forked> he might just connect, msg and disconnect too 12:53:34 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861ca9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 12:54:19 <petern> is he going to stay now? 12:54:24 <Eddi|zuHause> you are lacking the comment and part part ;) 12:54:45 <Roujin> actually I just wanted to seem somehow mystical, after coincidentally I _did_ read the logs just right after you wrote that line 12:56:48 <Roujin> you have some impressive instinct, guessing I'm reading the logs right at that moment... oO 12:57:03 <Roujin> that, or a trojan on my pc *hmmmmmmm* 12:57:05 <petern> might not've been talking about you 12:57:49 *** Scuanor [~Scuanor@Pde46.p.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: ( de-rezzing in 3...2...1... )] 12:58:25 <dihedral> Roujin, hehe 12:59:28 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:59:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:00:34 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:01:02 <dihedral> has openttd ever had a person donate money and then believe he therefor had a say in what you guys do? 13:04:11 <Roujin> heh, I'm telling them what to do "Include my patches!" without having donated money :P 13:04:30 <petern> who what? 13:05:33 <dihedral> i was just wondering if you guys ever came across that kind of person 13:07:06 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@62.199.64.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:35 <glx> they can try, but no money goes to the devs :) 13:13:12 *** smeding [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:13:45 <planetmaker> you could start an activity like "rent a dev" ;) 13:14:26 <planetmaker> prices start at 100â¬/h with minimum 4h periods ;) 13:14:36 <dihedral> that sounds gay 13:15:06 <planetmaker> that's capitalism. Prostitute for money :P 13:15:28 <planetmaker> note the smileys though ;) 13:15:45 <Ammler> # New base graphics system (essential for the Graphics Replacement project) (r14197) <-- major Feature, IMO 13:15:57 <planetmaker> true 13:17:02 <glx> Ammler: but not very useful for now (as many users report bugs about black boxes ;) ) 13:17:18 <Ammler> oh well :-) 13:17:25 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-9.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 13:17:26 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-9.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:18:10 <dihedral> glx: the black boxes have nothing to do with the feature, but users would not know that :-P 13:18:53 <glx> they just notice the black boxes when "updating" base grf 13:19:16 <Ammler> I hope it will be finished until 0.7 release 13:19:33 <Ammler> but the main devs already began a new project. :-) 13:19:40 <glx> I'm quite sure it won't :) 13:20:12 <Ammler> sadly. 13:21:00 <Rubidium> same that the 32 bit replacement stuff will never be finished 13:21:00 <Ammler> glx: close FIRS thread until opengfx is finished ;-) 13:23:19 <planetmaker> lol 13:23:35 <DASPRiD> huhu pb! 13:25:14 <dihedral> same as cargodest ;-) 13:26:01 <glx> probability to get finished cargodest > probability to get finished opengfx I think :) 13:26:32 <glx> but not for 0.7.0 13:26:41 <Timitry> Yeah, that FIRS is really distracting, FooBar and Zephyris already contributed to that, while there is unfinished work for OpenGFX laying around... 13:26:51 <Timitry> How can they dare! :D 13:32:14 <Ammler> glx: I bet against 13:32:30 <Ammler> :-) 13:34:20 <petern> Rubidium: started, don't you mean? 13:38:50 <Ammler> that is rude, some 32Bit graphics are awesome. 13:40:11 *** Mortomes__ [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:40:23 *** Mortomes__ is now known as mortomes 13:40:25 *** mortomes is now known as Mortomes 13:42:07 <petern> what i've seen would not work as direct replacements 13:42:13 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:43:10 <Ammler> yeah, they more work for the zoom thing, now. 13:46:23 <Eddi|zuHause> which is nowhere even close from getting into the main development branch... 13:47:39 *** hackalittlebit [~hackalitt@195.23.22.130] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 13:48:39 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 13:48:40 <dihedral> glx: it's still a very vague statement (cargodest prob > opengfx prob) 13:49:26 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it doesn't mean anything as long as you do not add an absolute reference point 13:49:31 <Eddi|zuHause> as in "dnf" ;) 13:55:19 <dihedral> what were the reasons for Draakon getting warnings and in the end being banned from the forums again? 13:55:46 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:56:03 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a draakon? 13:56:39 <Eddi|zuHause> (that was rhethorical) 13:57:13 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861ca9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 14:01:47 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 14:02:22 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861ca9.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:02:24 *** Roujin_ is now known as Roujin 14:03:53 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: I can quit whenever I want!] 14:04:32 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet708.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:11:35 <Belugas> Draakon is banned? 14:11:41 <Belugas> who is draakon? 14:13:00 <Ammler> best forum friend of dih. 14:13:10 <dihedral> NOT 14:13:14 <Ammler> :-) 14:13:17 <dihedral> :-P 14:16:53 <glx> it's an asshole IIRC 14:17:37 <dihedral> aye 14:17:43 <dihedral> he was on my server the other day 14:17:48 <dihedral> but not for very long 14:18:13 <dihedral> ran some rcon commands and then he decided to leave 14:18:29 <dihedral> rcon move 12 255; reset_company 4 14:18:37 <dihedral> :-P 14:24:06 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*@*.nc.res.rr.com] by petern 14:24:08 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*god@*.nc.res.rr.com] by petern 14:24:11 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*anthony@*.nc.res.rr.com] by petern 14:29:07 <DASPRiD> heh 14:30:35 <planetmaker> do you think that that's a good idea, petern? 14:30:56 <petern> well, the first one was the whole isp... 14:31:03 <petern> if it comes back i'll be more specific 14:31:29 <planetmaker> he's persistant, showing up with different host masks. But the exact same words betray him. 14:31:42 <Forked> hm. I missed out 14:31:56 <planetmaker> Not really, Forked. He's a bloody rasicst. 14:32:01 <dihedral> planetmaker, which explains why Thraxian was never in this channel 14:32:06 <dihedral> (same isp) 14:32:09 <planetmaker> :P 14:32:24 <Forked> does this network have that most excellent +e mode for channels? 14:32:32 <dihedral> i have no idea for whom that ban was :-P 14:33:37 * dihedral is running profiling on openttd 14:34:47 <Forked> another oldie thread up up up :) 14:35:00 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179058219.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:35:37 <dihedral> yep - quite annoying 14:35:42 <dihedral> hint hint 14:39:53 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765685#p765685 <- ... wtf ... ? 14:40:11 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:40:57 <Ammler> planetmaker: that domain is already on "our" banlist 14:42:03 <planetmaker> huh? openttdblog? 14:42:55 <Ammler> ah, he removed the ban :-) 14:43:05 * Rubidium dislikes most openttd 'related' blogs 14:43:28 <Ammler> openttdblog has about 1 (or 2?) posts :-) 14:43:44 <Ammler> .de 14:43:48 <petern> at least it's advocating opengfx instead of distributing the original data... 14:44:17 <Rubidium> most of the other blogs do EXACTLY the opposite 14:44:17 <planetmaker> yep. With the best instruction I found so far on how to install them. 14:44:44 <petern> yeah, unfortunately openttd won't automatically download them if no graphics sets are found... 14:44:47 <petern> hmm new feature? :p 14:44:54 <planetmaker> :) 14:45:05 <petern> i suppose i could remove the original data from my server now... 14:45:15 <Ammler> well, IF they would be finished, you could distribute them directly 14:45:20 <petern> using opengfx is not known to cause desyncs, is it? 14:45:28 <planetmaker> not afaik 14:45:55 <planetmaker> which doesn't mean much, though :P 14:46:11 <petern> :D 14:50:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.184.162] has joined #openttd 14:50:56 *** kjetil [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has joined #openttd 14:51:09 <kjetil> oh really 14:51:28 *** Forked is now known as Guest254 14:51:28 *** kjetil is now known as Forked 14:56:38 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:56:53 *** Guest254 [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:57:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.200.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:01:43 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:03:02 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861ca9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:09:22 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861ca9.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:24 <planetmaker> one out of best of Allain: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765690#p765690 15:12:35 <Forked> he could be a master in c++ programming by now.. if only he spent his time on that rather than digging around on page 551 in that section of the forum :\ 15:12:37 <Roest> i guess my forum ignore file will get a second entry after drakon 15:13:33 <planetmaker> I'm not sure whom I add 2nd after SirXavius: NekoMaster or him 15:14:37 <Rubidium> planetmaker: BOTH 15:14:37 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:14:44 <planetmaker> :D 15:14:47 <Rubidium> and don't forget batti5 15:14:57 <planetmaker> haven't seen the latter lately. 15:15:41 *** smeding_ [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:15:55 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 15:16:11 *** smeding [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:17:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15514 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Fix: make the join/spectate command require to be connected to a network game; in SP it could lead to crashes. 15:21:07 *** Nathan [~Nathan@5ac074b8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:22:47 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:23:46 *** Nathan [~Nathan@5ac074b8.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 15:26:54 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 15:28:48 <Eddi|zuHause> interesting bug ;) 15:30:11 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> haven't seen the latter lately. <- i have stumbled across the line "this post of batti5 is currently ignored" lately 15:30:35 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure if that was only because of alains digs though 15:31:15 <planetmaker> probably... He now asks in pm what to do with the boost zip file he downloaded! arg 15:31:43 <Rubidium> eat it? 15:32:00 <Rubidium> oh... he's using windows, right? 15:32:09 <planetmaker> yeah. Good advice. I think that's a decent answer he could get :) 15:32:12 <Rubidium> he should 'plug it and pray to it' 15:32:18 <planetmaker> hehe :) 15:32:26 <Ammler> pm, now you need to addmit, that you aren't able to compile cargodest self, either ;-) 15:32:42 <planetmaker> I guess I'll send him another link to letmegoogleitforyou 15:32:53 <planetmaker> Ammler: yes :) 15:33:04 <planetmaker> I haven't tried with my new install yet, though 15:33:27 <planetmaker> But the difference, Ammler, is: I know it's my path settings for include and lib. 15:33:34 <Ammler> he should ask Truebrain, if he adds the patchpack to the compile farm. 15:33:36 <planetmaker> He doesn't know what to do with a zip :P 15:33:51 <planetmaker> He already asked where and how he could upload it to openttd... 15:34:18 <Ammler> hehe 15:35:37 <Roest> his pm's stopped after i didn't answer anymore 15:37:09 <planetmaker> he... probably a good idea :) 15:37:24 <planetmaker> For now he got another reference to RTFM. 15:47:45 <Roujin_> he asked me once where he could read up on what all the c++ stuff means.. 15:48:08 <Roujin_> I just pm'd him the google result page for "c++ tutorial"... 15:48:49 <planetmaker> :) 15:48:59 <planetmaker> It's incredible what kind of things he asks... 15:49:53 <planetmaker> Well... certainly I also ask stupid questions from time to time :) 15:52:32 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:55:25 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 15:58:48 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 15:59:49 <energetic> "discussion of realism is now a quietable offense"? 16:00:30 <NukeBuster|laptop> He said the r word ;-) 16:00:32 <petern> yes 16:04:27 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 16:06:13 <energetic> i quoted it :D 16:09:01 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861ca9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:09:59 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861ca9.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [] 16:11:17 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:14:01 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: you're right. Batti is stilll active... 16:14:30 <Rubidium> too much information! 16:15:22 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861ca9.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:15:26 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=22850&start=40 <--- hehe 16:18:04 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:18:07 *** taff75 [~taff75@91.108.144.189] has joined #openttd 16:20:10 <Eddi|zuHause> <Rubidium> he should 'plug it and pray to it' <- plug & pray? you might have spent too much time in Japan :) 16:20:38 *** taff75 [~taff75@91.108.144.189] has quit [] 16:25:06 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:42 <glx> no that's p'n'p on windows 16:27:16 <glx> mostly on win9x though 16:27:18 <planetmaker> and he starts to make suggestions again on how you devs should decide on what you work on :D 16:27:59 <Belugas> who ? when? why? where? 16:28:10 <Rubidium> what? 16:28:32 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 16:28:38 <Belugas> true.. forgot that one 16:28:54 <planetmaker> Belugas: your friend batti5 16:29:26 <Belugas> ho... him... 16:30:08 <Belugas> he's a good guy, truely. his motivation is high, just the means are not totally there 16:30:13 <Belugas> if you see what i mean... 16:30:51 <Belugas> and he does not have a very good idea on how the development works. he pretty much think we are accepting everything and are working on all suggestions 16:30:56 <Belugas> last time i checked, anyway 16:38:47 <planetmaker> Belugas: yeah. That doesn't seem to have changed :) 16:40:17 <planetmaker> but probably you're right in that he's probably more naive than nasty :) 16:41:53 <Belugas> indeed 16:41:59 <Belugas> that's my perception, anyway 16:42:57 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i have the feeling that dosbox is slow... 16:43:39 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone familiar enough with dosbox to tell me whether there is a switch for "double" resolution? 16:43:55 <Eddi|zuHause> dosbox windows tend to get really tiny ;) 16:43:57 <SmatZ> there is (I am almost sure about that) 16:44:28 <SmatZ> [render] 16:44:30 <SmatZ> scaler=hq2x 16:44:32 <SmatZ> maybe 16:44:48 <Eddi|zuHause> is that possible to enable while running? 16:45:20 <SmatZ> I don't know - try ctrl+F1 to show key binds 16:45:26 <SmatZ> maybe there is a key shortcut for that 16:46:26 <Eddi|zuHause> that shows a confusing screen with a keyboard layout (which is not even german) 16:51:54 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, now i killed it... 17:11:21 <Eddi|zuHause> there is the setting, but i cannot get it to actually multiply the window size 17:14:37 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 17:18:30 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@195.23.22.130] has joined #openttd 17:20:20 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177238157.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:25:11 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@195.23.22.130] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 17:34:09 *** lobstar is now known as lobster 17:35:04 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff679.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:38:02 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-65-115.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:41:13 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 17:43:25 <Maarten> Congrats on 0.7.0-beta1, quite an accomplishment :) 17:44:33 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-77-67.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:47:11 <SmatZ> :o) 17:48:39 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 17:48:41 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [] 18:06:26 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:09:08 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:12:24 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:12:42 <Ammler> do the Maarten Servers still exists? 18:13:02 <Ammler> (or do I have someone else in mind?) 18:14:41 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:16:07 <Belugas> I've got GEORGIA on my mind... 18:16:45 <glx> missing # ;) 18:17:07 <Belugas> lol 18:17:11 <Belugas> yeah :D 18:17:19 <Eddi|zuHause> a propos georgia... wasn't there supposed to be a dead like me movie? 18:17:50 <glx> dunno, but the show was nice 18:21:45 <Belugas> dunno what you are all talking 18:28:21 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:32:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15515 /trunk/src/lang/ (14 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:32:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-02-18 18:31:54 18:32:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 10 fixed, 1 changed by Ludslad (11) 18:32:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 6 fixed by ferrerow (6) 18:32:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 11 fixed by Ar4i (11) 18:32:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hungarian - 13 changed by alyr (13) 18:32:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 3 fixed by adjayanto (3) 18:32:36 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 18:40:32 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:51:06 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e179058219.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:51:06 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179058219.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:51:06 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:59:31 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 19:06:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:06:21 <Wolf01> hello 19:06:37 <Alberth> hello Wolf01 19:09:04 <Belugas> hello Wolf01 19:09:07 <Belugas> hello Alberth 19:09:13 <Belugas> hello Belugas 19:09:25 <Wolf01> hello Alberth 19:09:27 <Wolf01> hello Belugas 19:09:30 <Wolf01> hello Wolf01 19:09:31 <Alberth> Good evening Belugas 19:09:43 <Alberth> Wolf01: speaking to self? 19:09:49 <Alberth> I see we have new rules 19:09:54 <Belugas> :) 19:10:10 <Alberth> got tired of the discussion, I guess 19:11:53 <Eddi|zuHause> we have rules? 19:12:32 <Belugas> I HAVE TWO. one in cm, the other in inches 19:12:55 <Wolf01> are they long the same? 19:12:57 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:57 <Eddi|zuHause> weird, i once had one which had both scales 19:13:18 <Eddi|zuHause> and i never ever used the inch scale... 19:13:31 <Roest> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41733 19:13:59 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: you should move to a country with inches :) 19:14:16 <Roest> uh 19:14:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Roest: i fail to see the relevance 19:14:52 <Roest> not for the current conversation, but hilarious statement imo 19:15:01 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:41 <NukeBuster|laptop> Alain2007 has very similar posts... 19:16:01 <Wolf01> I have one with 5 scales, I use that to measure the rows and columns for a pre-printed paper with text fields :D 19:16:03 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 19:16:11 <Rubidium> http://www.ohesso.com/essays/essay006.htm <- finally a good reason to take a pet 19:18:29 <Eddi|zuHause> EULAs are void in germany anyway, they are not viewable when you purchase a product, so they cannot be part of the contract 19:19:07 <Roest> my cats only order cat food online :( 19:20:27 *** mikl [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:21:07 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a beautiful cat, anyway 19:27:25 <Wolf01> eulas are void in italy too, here you should sign a contract with your signature, not with a button... but many do these things (phone companies for first) and you'll get literally fucked :) 19:27:57 <Sacro> i doubt literally fucked 19:29:45 <Wolf01> here when you want assistance, replacement of the item or something like it, you have 75% of probability that the dealer will place you on a table, bent at 90° and without pants 19:36:41 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 19:36:44 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 19:38:07 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B837A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:39:50 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83BDA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:39:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:44:44 <Belugas> beautiful cat? 19:44:49 <Belugas> well... 19:44:54 <Belugas> cute maybe? 19:56:19 <el_en> in other words, nice pussy 19:56:38 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:56:56 <Noldo> har har 20:03:06 <Maarten> Ammler: Yes, they are running on 0.7.0-beta1 (sorry delayed reaction) 20:04:41 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:11:38 *** TinoM [~Tino@89.245.235.0] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:11:43 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 20:12:25 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:29 <frosch123> I assume noone here has a testgrf for livery-override for road vehicles 20:18:04 <Belugas> now that is a cute cat -> http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/pictures/Mina.JPG 20:18:34 <Wolf01> ooooh your wonderful and giant cat :D 20:18:56 <el_en> your >1280-pixel high cat 20:19:14 * Prof_Frink gets out his captioning kit 20:21:20 <Belugas> yup yup 20:21:36 <Belugas> nice as a background image on the desktop :D 20:21:45 <Belugas> two screens of furr and beauty! 20:22:25 <Prof_Frink> "fur and beauty"? What is this? #tycoon? 20:23:57 <Belugas> well... 20:24:08 <Belugas> got contaminated? ;P 20:28:48 <Alberth> My parents had a cat for as long as I can remember, I am hooked for life, I am afraid :) 20:30:20 <el_en> allow me to paste my first and last ice hockey-related link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gfXty29k7Q 20:30:44 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:30:47 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:31:55 <Prof_Frink> They call 'im Bjarni, 'cause that's 'is name 20:35:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15516 /trunk/src/newgrf_engine.cpp: -Fix (r10097): Livery overrides for articulated parts of roadvehicles were not applied. 20:36:50 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet708.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:37:11 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet708.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:37:11 <Belugas> Alberth, this is our very first cat. before that, we had dwarf rabbits and canaries. So let's call it a "big" change for us :) and yes, we are totally infatuated :D 20:37:38 <Bjarni> wow 20:37:42 <Bjarni> Belugas got a cat 20:38:06 <Bjarni> I knew he had a thing for pussies :P 20:40:07 <Wolf01> oh a Bjarni 20:40:29 <el_en> Semi-Master Bjarni 20:40:31 <Alberth> Belugas: The current cat of my parents is 18+ years old, so all she does is sleep all day, have some food, and sleep more :) 20:40:34 <Bjarni> "a Bjarni"? 20:40:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15517 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_engine.cpp vehicle.cpp): -Fix [FS#2642](r6455): Wagonoverrides and articulated engine parts use the colour scheme of the engine, but not its recolour callback, nor its 2CC flag. Same applies to roadvehicles. 20:40:38 <Bjarni> there can be only one 20:40:47 <murr4y> The Bjarninator 20:41:11 <el_en> hmm, that quote would indicate Bjarni has actually watched a movie. 20:42:21 <Eddi|zuHause> you can easily know that quote without ever having seen the movie that is quoted 20:43:33 *** NightKhaos [~NightKhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:43:38 <Bjarni> but I do have it... somewhere 20:43:45 <Bjarni> ... on VHS 20:43:52 <el_en> Christopher Lambert is a native french speaker, btw. 20:45:01 *** NightKhaos [~NightKhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 20:46:12 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:46:28 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 20:46:38 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:46:54 <NightKhaos> Ahh got it setup. 20:46:57 <NightKhaos> Yay! 20:47:23 <Belugas> chaotic arrival, to say the least ;) 20:47:25 <Wolf01> OpenTTD: someone * r20000 /trunk/src (too much files): -Fix (r1): fixed a bug which avoided do develop new features such custom bridge heads, bridges over bridges, fully flexible tunnels, new map array, Belugas for president, petern and Rubidium too for their own countries, underground stations, signals on bridges, tunnels and junction tiles... [10 more lines] 20:47:38 <NightKhaos> Well I'm here now. 20:47:54 <KingJ> Amazing, i've somehow managed to fit 10,000 people into a bus stop 20:47:55 <NightKhaos> reason I'm here is any advice on a project I'm starting... 20:48:06 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-156-72.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:48:53 <frosch123> "0.7.0beta1 is not stable enough, I am going to switch back to the nightly and wait for beta2" <- quite comprehensible... 20:49:36 <Bjarni> yeah 20:49:47 <Bjarni> nightly builds tend to be much more stable than betas :P 20:50:01 <NightKhaos> Basically it's going to be a fully functioning custom map, which will include preexisting rail network, tram network, etc. It'll use the DB set, TTTv3, and a few other GRFs. 20:50:11 <NightKhaos> Bjarni: odd... 20:50:46 <Bjarni> ... 20:50:54 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:51:03 <NightKhaos> Well you'd think nightlies would be UNSTABLE... lol 20:51:09 <NightKhaos> anyway brb 20:51:13 <Bjarni> I was being ironic.... 20:51:15 <Belugas> o_O 20:51:38 <Bjarni> actually people comment on how stable our unstable builds tend to be 20:52:02 <Sacro> Wolf01: damn i thought that was real for a minute 20:52:37 <Bjarni> looks like it takes too little to fool Sacro o_O 20:52:56 <NightKhaos> back 20:53:03 <Wolf01> and I did not use words like pr0n, xxx and sex 20:53:07 <Bjarni> I bet Sacro updated his source and compiled only to discover that nothing changed in the game :P 20:53:09 <Sacro> Bjarni: i read the message and not the poster 20:53:12 <Sacro> :( 20:53:12 <NightKhaos> So any advice for my project? 20:53:43 <Sacro> NightKhaos: don't let Bjarni help 20:53:46 <Sacro> he breaks things 20:53:51 <Wolf01> especially the part of making people president, eh? 20:54:28 <NightKhaos> lol 20:54:31 <Bjarni> Sacro: if you refer to yourself as a thing then yes after that statement 20:54:57 <Sacro> actually, now i have a macbook i need his 'expertise' to get it working :( 20:55:31 <NightKhaos> I take it by cheating I can take control of the other AI's when I get to the station building stage, and build competing networks, or rather "local networks" and a "nationalised rail" 20:55:32 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: You're fallen to the shiny side of the force? 20:55:39 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: oh yes :) 20:55:43 <Sacro> <3 my macbook 20:56:05 <NightKhaos> Hehe... I'd have the build the entire network in pause mode too. That'll be fun. 20:56:17 <Prof_Frink> I prefer the dark side personally. 20:56:44 * lolman is happy with Arch :p 20:57:34 <Bjarni> <Sacro> <3 my macbook <-- normally people <3 other people, but just as long as you do not inform me of what you do with it, I don't care 20:57:42 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:57:48 <Sacro> Bjarni: i lay on my bed and rub it against myself 20:58:04 * lolman is not using Sacro's MacBook ever again. 20:58:05 <Bjarni> do you feel hot while doing so? 20:58:10 <Bjarni> err 20:58:10 <Wolf01> last words of sacro were "grab your dick and double click" so I don't expect anything normal 20:58:12 <Sacro> Bjarni: oh yes 20:58:12 <Bjarni> wait 20:58:16 <Bjarni> I don't want to know 20:58:50 <Sacro> and wtf does 'quietable' mean? 20:58:52 <Bjarni> Wolf01: LOL, did he say that recently? I missed that 20:58:59 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 20:59:05 <lolman> Sacro: that's an orudge-ism, or sounds like one 20:59:20 <Bjarni> Sacro: it means that "it" is able to be quiet... go figure :P 20:59:52 <Bjarni> bahh 21:00:01 <Bjarni> waiting for compilers sucks 21:00:17 <Sacro> indeed 21:02:04 <Prof_Frink> <insert xkcd here> 21:02:15 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:02:19 <Bjarni> well 21:02:52 <Bjarni> I'm thinking about the assignment I got today while I wait 21:02:59 <Bjarni> it's a stupid one :( 21:03:42 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:42 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 21:04:15 <NightKhaos> Stage 1, build the landscape, planning the rail/tram/stations as I go. Stage 2, build the rail/tram networks with rail. Stage 3, build and route plan buses/trucks/trams, Stage 4, build (using temporary depots) all of the trains at "useful" starting positions and route plan, Stage 5, delete temp depots, replace with rail and signals... and then I'd be done. Wahoo! 21:04:35 <NightKhaos> When I put it like that... it seems easy. -_- 21:07:47 <NightKhaos> For the planning and building stage, i.e. Stage 1, I'll need two different sessions open, so that I can quickly save the draft, and build the station, see how it looks, then I'll have to somehow "note" how I have built that station... either by a screenie or labeling every tile... probably labelling. 21:07:52 <Bjarni> it is easy 21:07:56 <NightKhaos> Both would be more effiecent. 21:07:57 <Eddi|zuHause> <el_en> Christopher Lambert is a native french speaker, btw. <- i'm very bad with connecting names to faces, which one is christopher lambert? 21:07:57 <Bjarni> I think 21:08:03 <Bjarni> but it's nowhere fast to do 21:08:42 <NightKhaos> Bjarni: I know... I know... but is the a way I can build a network... while STILL working on the terrian? 21:10:14 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: LOL, when you say it like that you remind me of when I called for a taxi and requested it to show up at station X on the east side and the lady in the phone went "I'm very bad with world directions. Can you tell me if it is the side with ..." and it sounded like she was reading that like she was told to say it like that 21:10:20 <Bjarni> it sounded so fake 21:10:42 <Bjarni> like they think people calling can't figure it out but they don't want to tell people that 21:11:09 <NightKhaos> *sigh* doesn't look like it. 21:11:11 <NightKhaos> Oh wells. 21:11:17 <Bjarni> NightKhaos: well.... you need a whole lot of cash and then there is terraforming 21:11:38 <NightKhaos> Bjarni: aye... and building cities and primary industry. 21:11:41 <Bjarni> but you can't make the map in the scenario editor and then build tracks and then go back to the editor 21:12:07 <NightKhaos> That's what I thought. 21:12:14 <NightKhaos> *yay* 21:13:44 <NightKhaos> So I'd need to record my "plans" for each "custom station" and any significant rail networks somehow on the map, probably using signs, and screenies. 21:14:17 <NightKhaos> And build up the map in one go, then when I'm happy, I go an actually PUT the planned track/stations in it. 21:14:28 <NightKhaos> A nightmare for a large map. 21:15:45 <NightKhaos> Doable though 21:16:29 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 21:16:56 <NightKhaos> I do wonder I I have used to many GRFs 21:17:22 <petern> if you don't know what they all do, then yes 21:17:32 <NightKhaos> Oh I know what they do... 21:17:36 <NightKhaos> It's just, there are a lot 21:19:37 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 21:20:41 <NightKhaos> petern: http://files.me.com/nightkhaos/kvgmpz 21:22:30 <petern> tiff? haha 21:22:45 <NightKhaos> pfft. default "grab" 21:22:57 <NightKhaos> I would change to ",png" but CBF 21:23:22 <De_Ghost> or 21:23:22 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff679.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:23:28 <De_Ghost> you can make butt load of monery 21:23:31 <De_Ghost> and do it in game 21:23:42 <NightKhaos> Primary Industry and Cities? 21:23:50 <petern> monery! 21:24:52 <NightKhaos> Can't build Primary Industry and Cities where I want them. 21:25:01 <Eddi|zuHause> is that like a monastery? 21:25:57 <Eddi|zuHause> NightKhaos: there is a "found a town" patch, and there is a setting for funding primary industries directly 21:26:04 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-77-67.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 21:27:29 <NightKhaos> Hmm... useful... but what about laying rocky ground, and starting with no towns? 21:27:40 <el_en> [23:07] <Eddi|zuHause> <el_en> Christopher Lambert is a native french speaker, btw. <- i'm very bad with connecting names to faces, which one is christopher lambert? <-- highlander, connor macleod 21:28:12 <Eddi|zuHause> of course, giving another name will help with the whole name problem... 21:28:58 <el_en> want me to draw his portrait in ascii art? 21:29:26 <NightKhaos> Honestly, given what I want to do, it'll be easier, (not by much through) to do it this way... 21:29:30 <Wolf01> http://scifipedia.scifi.com/images/8/8d/Lambert1.jpg <- ascii art to picture :D 21:32:23 <Bjarni> isn't it McLeod? 21:33:03 <Bjarni> no, they added the a 21:33:08 <Bjarni> that's funny 21:33:45 <Bjarni> he is supposed to have this name from Scotland so I would have presumed the McLeod spelling 21:33:57 <Wolf01> http://www.geocities.com/coxkxv/pictures/macleoddetail.jpg <- it is MacLeod 21:34:00 <Bjarni> but maybe they didn't think the Americans would understand such a spelling 21:39:33 *** Nath [~Nath@5ac074b8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:47:57 <dihedral> hi 21:48:20 <dihedral> thank you for the fix Rubidium 21:48:29 <el_en> hihedral 21:48:35 *** Nath [~Nath@5ac074b8.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 21:52:54 *** Felicitus [~timo@p3EE3F640.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:52:55 <Felicitus> hello 21:53:47 <Felicitus> one simple question about squirrel: how exactly does try/catch work in the squirrel context? i tried try { expression(); } catch (e) { print (e); }, but whenexer expression() throws an exception, it doesn't get catched...what am i missing? 21:54:29 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:20 <dihedral> is it not documented in the squirrel docs? 21:55:31 <NightKhaos> Wow you can make the cities real big... 21:55:43 <NightKhaos> I got one city covering a 512/512 map 21:55:53 <Felicitus> dihedral: well, the squirrel documentation is...uhm...some kind of meta-documentation :) 21:56:21 <dihedral> i know the squirrel docs ;-) 21:56:33 <Felicitus> try/catch is documented as: stat:= 'try' stat 'catch' '(' id ')' stat 21:57:20 <Yexo> Felicitus: The code you posted should work, so I'm doing some tests right now 21:57:26 <Felicitus> hey Yexo 21:57:49 <Yexo> hello Felicitus 21:58:07 <Felicitus> hmm it seems that the exception is catched, but somehow the engine still puts out an error 21:58:08 <Rubidium> no AI seems to be using catch 21:58:18 <Felicitus> maybe it's a problem on the openttd side, not the squirrel language 21:58:37 <Yexo> Felicitus: that's very good possible 21:58:39 <Felicitus> Rubidium: yes. i need the try/catch for my station builder, as it is heavily OO based 21:59:00 <Yexo> Rubidium: I remember someone using it, but there were some problems with printing the call stack iirc 21:59:50 <Yexo> Felicitus: it seems to work here as expected 22:00:04 <Yexo> the exception is catched, but also printed in red in the debug panel 22:00:15 <Felicitus> hmm 22:00:23 <Felicitus> let me check 22:00:32 <TinoDidriksen> Argh...two people. catched ... caught. 22:00:49 <Felicitus> TinoDidriksen: you are right ;) 22:00:58 <Felicitus> maybe i got confused by all the red stuff in the console 22:02:03 <NightKhaos> How big should I make my map? 22:02:08 <Yexo> http://paste.openttd.org/179781 <- test ai, the funciton "test" does not exists 22:02:36 <Yexo> output: a, b, (in red: stack), d, (in black: error message), e 22:03:53 <Felicitus> yes, it works when i put the construct in my main function, but for some reason it doesn't work in the statio builder code 22:04:01 <Wolf01> 'night 22:04:05 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:05:38 <Yexo> Felicitus: can you provide some code were it doesn't work as you expect (preferably as small as possible?) 22:05:50 <Belugas> booo.. bye 22:05:51 <Felicitus> hmm what happens if i try to build a station in test mode and ERR_PRECONDITION_FAILED occured? the function is supposed to return true or false, right? 22:06:06 <Yexo> it'll return false 22:06:06 <NightKhaos> Do you think 512x512 is to small? 22:06:14 <Felicitus> yes, false in that case, of course 22:07:48 <Yexo> but in general a precondition can be due to 3 things: 1) An error in your AI (most likely) 2) A user changes companies (via cheats) and is messing with your AI. 3) You've got very bad luck, ie some vehicle you're trying to clone has just dissappeared. 22:08:33 <Felicitus> no, most probably the preconidion fails because my ai is trying to build a station where something is in the way 22:09:52 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:08 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 22:10:16 <Yexo> Felicitus: that is no precondition 22:10:36 <Yexo> http://noai.openttd.org/docs/classAIRail.html#b45d8589600f9cdc952fc44e9583cb4c <- see there for a list of things that can cause a precondition error 22:10:41 <Felicitus> oh yes, you are right 22:11:20 <Felicitus> well, the station builder does an assertion on the function, and throws an exception if the assert failed. and then the script stops, instead of being caught 22:11:30 <Felicitus> so i'm trying to debug if it is maybe a problem in my script 22:14:07 <Felicitus> i think i got something 22:14:43 <Felicitus> Yexo, can you have a look at http://paste.openttd.org/179782 ? 22:16:45 <Felicitus> hmm 22:16:47 <Felicitus> wait 22:16:51 <Felicitus> something is odd here 22:17:21 <Yexo> pasting the lines "local test = B(); untill 'end of script'" in the Start function, and it prints "Should jump into there" just as expected 22:17:35 <Felicitus> yes, i noticed that also after i ran the script a second time 22:18:01 <Felicitus> i am pretty confused right now 22:21:44 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226192195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:26:10 <Felicitus> hmm, is there a size restriction of the AI debug console? 22:29:02 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179058219.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:02 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 22:29:28 *** sanderbackus [~sanderbac@5ED17A81.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:33:46 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:36 <NightKhaos> My god this looks pretty crap right now... 22:35:35 <dihedral> ... 22:35:45 <NightKhaos> let me get a screenshot ;) 22:35:57 <Felicitus> HA i think i found the problem :) 22:36:19 <NightKhaos> ... http://files.me.com/nightkhaos/g38qhk 22:36:32 <Felicitus> if i'm in test mode, and test-build a rail track, and then would try to place a signal on the rail track - it would always fail, because the rail track isn't actually built, right? 22:39:55 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:42:10 <Yexo> Felicitus: that's right 22:42:29 <Felicitus> and it would raise ERR_PRECONDITION_FAILED? 22:43:58 <Felicitus> YIKES! damn. i tricked myself :( 22:44:19 <Yexo> http://noai.openttd.org/docs/classAIRail.html#7441a7e3f7b7bcbb55497590245d0f9f <- as can be seen here, a precondition for BuildSignal is IsRailTile(itle) 22:44:26 <Felicitus> yes 22:44:35 <Felicitus> if the program is better than the programmer ;) 22:44:41 <Yexo> IsRailTile(tile) fails if you didn't build it yet (in execute mode), so it'll indeed raise an ERR_PRECONDITION_ERROR 22:45:21 <Felicitus> actually the exception i was expecting at the one point as actually never thrown :( 22:45:30 <Zuu> Yexo: Impresive to see your AI doing some teraforming for placeing road stops :-) 22:45:47 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:45:47 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 22:45:51 <Yexo> thanks Zuu :) 22:46:00 <Felicitus> because another exception was caught at another place due to the signal placement :( 22:46:05 <Eddi|zuHause> something is wrong with my mouse... 22:46:14 <Felicitus> eddi: cat? :) 22:46:30 <Zuu> My AI easily win the competition of number of stations in the first months, unfortunally that is not what the game is about. ... :-) 22:47:14 <Eddi|zuHause> the mouse pointer moves when i move the mouse, but when i click somewhere, it takes the click always at the same position 22:47:27 <Eddi|zuHause> also, the mouse-move-focus does not work anymore 22:47:34 <Felicitus> Eddi|zuHause: sounds more like an OS problem than a hardware problem :) 22:47:56 <Eddi|zuHause> brb 22:48:04 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:48:33 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 22:48:42 <Yexo> hello Nite_Owl 22:48:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:58 <Nite_Owl> Hello Yexo 22:49:00 <dihedral> huu 22:49:47 <Nite_Owl> Hello dihedral (yes - I have become accustom to the Owl sounds) 22:49:56 <dihedral> hihi 22:51:14 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9F4B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:51:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:52:34 <Eddi|zuHause> restarting X did obviously not help 22:52:41 <Felicitus> :) 22:52:46 <Felicitus> does it work again ? 22:53:10 <Eddi|zuHause> what part of "does not help" is ambiguous? 22:53:26 <Felicitus> i guessed that you did a complete reboot 22:54:08 <Eddi|zuHause> no, doing that now 22:54:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76CD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:57:13 <Eddi|zuHause> nope... 22:58:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76CD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:39 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74571.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:02:43 <Eddi|zuHause> appears to be better now 23:02:52 <Felicitus> thats odd 23:03:45 <Felicitus> nevermind :) 23:04:25 <dihedral> usb handling 23:04:38 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: yes, but even after a reboot? 23:04:52 <Eddi|zuHause> and moving the mouse pointer for one operation, but not the other? 23:05:13 <dihedral> what you do in the end? 23:05:20 <Eddi|zuHause> it's definitely the weirdest experience i had since... i "discarded" windows 23:05:29 <dihedral> :-P 23:05:32 <Felicitus> ;) 23:05:40 <dihedral> + you used a windows method to fix the issue 23:05:51 <Felicitus> i have to admit (and i really like linux better) that vista runs pretty well for the business 23:05:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i shut down the computer, unplugged the USB reciever, took the batteries out of the mouse 23:06:13 <dihedral> ahhh.... 23:06:14 <dihedral> yes ok 23:06:41 <Felicitus> i remember such a thing also, now that you mentioned a wireless mouse :) 23:06:43 <Eddi|zuHause> the other one was "only" a soft reboot 23:07:02 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.93] has joined #openttd 23:07:37 <Eddi|zuHause> the batteries are down so quicly, the "wireless" part is not even true most of the times... 23:08:10 <Felicitus> i used one of these wireless logitech mouses (that one which was shaped like an egg) like 10 years ago 23:08:16 <Felicitus> since then i never touched a wireless mouse again :) 23:08:35 <Eddi|zuHause> the technology evolved since 10 years ago ;) 23:08:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a wireless logitech mouse here, too 23:08:48 <Felicitus> but it seems to have similar problems :) 23:08:55 <Eddi|zuHause> it might be even older than 10 years 23:09:01 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's not the one that i use right now 23:09:16 <Felicitus> i had to replace batteries very often and sometimes the cursor did crazy things 23:09:37 <Felicitus> but the worst thing was the keyboard 23:09:45 <Felicitus> some keys sometimes didnt respond, others did 23:10:10 <Nite_Owl> the only problem with wireless stuff comes when your system has a problem and the drivers do not get loaded properly 23:10:14 <Eddi|zuHause> the only real problem that i have, when the mouse is recharging, it appears to drain power from the reciever, so it loses reception range 23:11:02 <Nite_Owl> you then are forced to resort to wired stuff to restore the system 23:11:17 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i know that problem, sometimes the reciever does not initialise itself on startup, so i sometimes can't get to the boot menu or the bios setup when i shut down improperly 23:11:52 <Eddi|zuHause> it's usually fine when i soft reboot, or when i shut down properly 23:12:27 <Zuu> Hmm, it helps to run the correct OpenTTD installation when trying out changes to ones AI :-D 23:12:39 <Nite_Owl> I will stayed wired for now 23:13:03 <Yexo> Zuu: hehe :) What were you trying? 0.6.3? 23:14:21 <Zuu> Nope, trunk, but my "clean trunk" installation which uses the standard config file and stuff. My "last nightly" installation has an own config file and own AI directories. 23:16:17 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 23:21:54 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 23:33:16 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:33:26 *** tneo [~tneo@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 23:33:35 *** tneo [~tneo@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 23:40:21 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:45:59 <Zuu> LOL: those Handely Page H.P.42 planes that PAXLink love to build when it has little money runs at same speed when broken down as when not broken down :-) 23:46:05 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad4569b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 23:49:57 <Felicitus> lol 23:50:04 <Felicitus> i didnt knew that 23:50:09 <Felicitus> never play with planes :) 23:50:40 <Zuu> It goes in 167 km/h 23:50:57 <Zuu> * 1/4 which is really slow 23:51:05 <Felicitus> oh well 23:51:20 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:51:21 <Felicitus> by the way, i noticed a funny thing in multiplayer 23:51:34 <Felicitus> everybody can rename the vehicles in the vehicle list 23:51:38 <Felicitus> so you can confuse people 23:52:20 <Zuu> Now, that is an interesting MP trick :) 23:52:25 <Felicitus> i don't know if the rename is still global for all players in 0.7.0, but in 0.6.3 its valid 23:52:40 <Felicitus> i love to rename the paper truck in subarctic to "toilet paper truck" :) 23:52:51 <Felicitus> but others love to rename similar looking trains 23:52:58 <Felicitus> and cargo waggons 23:53:00 <SmatZ> :-) 23:55:09 <Zuu> Poor AdmiralAI, built a truck crasher for its own trucks :) 23:55:50 <Zuu> At least with advanced signals the road crossing goes red much earlier. 23:56:26 *** sanderbackus [~sanderbac@5ED17A81.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: sanderbackus] 23:57:36 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:57:39 <Felicitus> thats crazy - a router/switch manufacturer named a switch "pizzaport"