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00:12:07 <Felicitus> Yexo: are you still here? 00:12:22 <Yexo> I'm still here 00:12:48 <Felicitus> i'm wondering why exceptions are printed in the console if they were caught 00:13:43 <Rubidium> probably because exceptions are printed once thrown instead of when not caught by the AI 00:13:54 <Yexo> iirc it wan't possible to disable printing it when the error was caught. It was either printing all of them or printing no errors at all 00:14:03 <Felicitus> hmm 00:14:07 <Felicitus> thats a little problem for me :) 00:14:19 <Felicitus> seems that i have to avoid exceptions 00:15:11 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:15:38 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@cpe-72-225-228-60.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:15:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15518 /trunk/src/ (npf.cpp pathfind.h ship_cmd.cpp yapf/yapf_destrail.hpp): -Fix [FS#2631]: use distance to closest station tile as estimate for YAPF too (NPF already does so). This makes it behave 'better' with wide stations. 00:19:13 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:22:44 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:25:27 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 00:26:03 *** Elukka [~elukka.el@bb-89-166-45-150.dsl.phnet.fi] has joined #openttd 00:26:42 <Felicitus> hmm...would it be possible to add a method to AIError to temporarly suspend printing exception messages to the console? Something like AIError.debugExceptions(true|false) ? 00:31:30 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@cpe-72-225-228-60.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:32:36 <Bjarni> night 00:32:39 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:33:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74571.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:05 <Yexo> Felicitus: that is possible, but imo unwanted behaviour 00:33:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:29 <Eddi|zuHause> the ignore function on the forum goes not far enough... by... err... far... 00:34:37 <Rubidium> tlue vely tlue 00:34:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i do not want threads of ignored persons to appear on the forum listing 00:35:08 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35:08 <Eddi|zuHause> and i want to ignore any threads which have "mac os" in their title 00:35:17 <Eddi|zuHause> and i want to ignore certain subforums... 00:35:39 <Rubidium> like suggestions? 00:36:02 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:36:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, anything that is tempting to click on it, when it says "new posts here" 00:36:21 <Felicitus> Yexo: the problem is, my station builder uses alot of this.assert2(this.BuildRailTrack(-1,0, 2)); - and assert2 simply throws an exception if the tile cannot be built, so i can catch that exception later and see if something went wrong. the other way would be to add an if-check to each of the build steps, but that is alot of overhead for the programmer 00:36:49 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.93] has quit [Quit: mikl] 00:37:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Felicitus: asserts are not for exception handling 00:37:23 <Eddi|zuHause> asserts are for programming mistakes 00:37:28 <Yexo> Felicitus: "if (!functioncall()) return false;" or "this.assert2(functioncall());" <- not much difference 00:37:30 <Eddi|zuHause> not for checking 00:37:30 *** Felicitu1 [~timo@p3EE3F937.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:37:35 <Felicitu1> whoops 00:37:39 <Felicitu1> Eddi|zuHause: i know. but its easiest to throw an exception in the assert2 method 00:38:06 <Yexo> and about not printing the call stack: as some point someone will forget to enable it again and his AI will crashing without him knowing 00:38:38 <Felicitu1> hmm good point 00:39:14 <Felicitu1> but to print out each and every exception is also a littlebit pointless...it overflows the debug console even if the exceptions are caught 00:40:01 <Felicitu1> and to make things worse, the ai debug console seems to limit at some point - that's why i didnt see my debug print statements and because of that i got confused, failing to see that the real problem is at another position 00:40:48 <Yexo> you can redirect the output to the ingame console, that one has a much higher limit (it won't split messages from other AIs though) 00:41:16 <Yexo> and if you really think exceptions generate too much output, simply don't use them :p 00:41:22 <Felicitu1> yes, but it seems that the ingame console doesn't receive print() and AILog.*-messages 00:41:45 <Felicitu1> well, i really have no clue how to solve it cleanly. exceptions provide a pretty nice control flow at that point 00:41:45 <Yexo> use "debug_level ai=5" first 00:42:48 <Yexo> and mind that using print() is discouraged 00:43:03 <Felicitu1> yes, i use it only for quick debug hacks 00:43:17 <Yexo> it works now, but it's not in the api docs, and if the regression test didn't use it I'd already have removed it 00:43:41 <Felicitu1> ah okay, now i got the stuff in the ingame console. that helps 00:44:05 <Felicitu1> but i have to avoid exceptions now...makes no sense to spam any log full with caught exceptions :( 00:44:26 <Felicitu1> that means...at least 20 statements per station type wrapped around with if's :( 00:44:41 *** Felicitus [~timo@p3EE3F640.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:45:13 *** Felicitu1 is now known as Felicitus 00:45:23 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 00:46:45 <Rubidium> why does this make me think of people coding like: http://paste.openttd.org/179784 00:47:25 <Felicitus> thats really horrible 00:48:17 <Felicitus> that's how it look in the station builder: http://paste.openttd.org/179785 00:49:10 <Felicitus> the station builder supports a test mode, which makes assert2 to throw an exception, avoiding to execute the other build statements because they are not needed anymore, and the test returns false 00:49:12 <Yexo> Felicitus: I still fail to see the problem with "if (!function) return false;" there 00:49:48 <Eddi|zuHause> eh? "who needs len(array) when you can catch boundary exception"? 00:49:54 *** smeding_ [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:50:13 <SmatZ> hehe :) 00:50:16 <Felicitus> Yexo: of course, it's valid, but the station you see there is just a simple station...imagine a larger station, wrapping each and every build command with an if is well...impractical 00:50:27 <Rubidium> doesn't http://paste.openttd.org/179786 look nicer? 00:50:42 <Yexo> so instead of wrapping every buid command with an if you have no problem wrapping it with "this.assert2"? 00:51:01 <Felicitus> good point yexo 00:51:03 <Eddi|zuHause> the funny thing about that is, it will also catch out-of-bounds exceptison in "ToString()", and you'll never know 00:51:55 <Felicitus> Rubidium: does it stop executing the calls if one of them returns false? 00:52:00 <SmatZ> :-D @ Eddi 00:52:06 <Yexo> Felicitus: yes it does 00:52:15 <Felicitus> thats an idea 00:52:37 <Felicitus> and it would be easy to implement in the station parser 00:54:42 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:54:52 <Felicitus> oh that now that i talk of it: it isn't possible to write to external files with the AI, right? because i dump the commands required for the station to the console, but everything is prefixed with dbg: [ai] [1] [P] 00:55:24 <Eddi|zuHause> you can redirect the ingame console to a file 00:55:25 <Felicitus> -that 00:55:39 <Yexo> you can use a simple sed script to rememove that prefix 00:55:49 <Rubidium> | sed 's/dbg: .ai. .1. .P.//' 00:55:54 <Felicitus> oh thanks 00:56:00 <Felicitus> i'm not into regular expressions at all 00:56:33 <Eddi|zuHause> that's alright, you could as well use AWK ;) 00:56:45 <Felicitus> hehe 00:56:56 <Rubidium> or perl 00:57:20 <Eddi|zuHause> well, technically, perl is one huge regexp :p 00:57:25 <SmatZ> :o) 00:58:31 <Rubidium> or cut 00:59:14 <Rubidium> or any text editor with block selection 01:00:34 <Felicitus> i think block selection is on the wishlist for eclipse for a very long time 01:01:06 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, night 01:01:13 <Felicitus> good night 01:02:03 <Felicitus> jesus 01:02:17 <Felicitus> block selection is on the wishlist for eclipse since 2002 :) 01:08:46 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 01:09:02 <Yexo> good night all 01:11:01 <Felicitus> good night Yexo 01:16:35 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 01:16:56 <Sacro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nCaWsRB8JU&feature=related 01:16:59 * Sacro headbangs 01:24:56 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:25:27 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 01:25:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-156-72.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:40:37 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:41:52 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177226131.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 01:43:27 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 01:49:21 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177238157.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:13 <welshdragon> anybody here that can help me with PBS? 01:52:31 <welshdragon> i think i may have done it wrong xD 01:52:52 <Elukka> maybe 01:52:59 <Elukka> what are you having problems with? 01:53:11 <welshdragon> -i'll show you 01:53:20 <Sacro> welshdragon: course you've done it wrong 01:53:24 <Sacro> 'tard :P 01:53:32 <welshdragon> wow 01:53:44 <Sacro> mwahahaha :D 01:53:52 <welshdragon> way to gett me back for earlier Sacro 01:54:00 <Sacro> i forgot about earlier 01:55:47 <Sacro> hehe 01:55:50 * Sacro yawns 01:56:01 * Sacro cuddles up to Belugas 01:56:32 <welshdragon> Elukka, http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1942516&l=7e361&id=513001408 < ALL PLATFORRMS ARE BI DIRECTIONAL 01:56:37 <welshdragon> oops, caps 01:57:08 <Elukka> umm, it's way too small to see the signals 01:57:15 <Sacro> ouch 01:57:19 <Sacro> fail 01:57:24 <Elukka> but i'll show what i did 01:57:25 <welshdragon> it shouldn't be 01:57:31 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:57:36 <Sacro> facebook has compressed the image 01:57:42 <Elukka> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/ttd.png?t=1235008650 01:57:44 <welshdragon> sigh 01:57:46 <Elukka> see beathwaite springs 01:57:50 <Sacro> http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2284/61/9/513001408/n513001408_1942516_9065.jpg 01:57:58 <Elukka> normal PBS signals towards the station platform in both ends 01:58:25 <Felicitus> uhm 01:58:30 <Elukka> the one-ways on the outgoing and incoming tracks are only to make sure they dont go on the wrong rails 01:58:37 <Felicitus> that reminds me of getting started with pbs :) 01:58:49 <Elukka> pbs is easier than normal signals 01:58:54 <Elukka> in my experience anyway 01:59:10 <Felicitus> i only placed 2 pbs in my whole life :) 01:59:12 <Felicitus> so far 02:00:10 <Felicitus> but i dont think there's a way around pbs for my ai :) 02:01:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B8EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03:52 <welshdragon> Elukka, thanks, uit worked 02:04:02 <welshdragon> noew to resatrt services :) 02:21:44 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 02:26:50 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 02:30:19 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 02:38:06 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad4569b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:38:30 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d1bd.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 02:45:18 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:45:21 * Sacro peruses the gsoc site 02:48:06 * Sacro goes to bed 02:48:08 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 03:01:45 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:01:45 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:01:48 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 03:04:05 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-61.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 03:09:08 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:41 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:32:58 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 03:38:58 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:02 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:47:01 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 04:00:54 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226192195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 04:07:14 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 04:34:38 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 04:41:38 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:21:22 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:31:36 <Felicitus> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 05:31:48 <Felicitus> there seems to be no API call to get the power of an engine :( 05:37:48 <Forked> morning 05:43:20 <Felicitus> good morning Forked 06:00:43 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:04:34 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 06:06:24 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:14:55 *** SJrX [~none@S01060008029e1eb2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 06:15:25 <SJrX> Hmmmmm I have copied the data/ and gm/ folders from my windows copy to my ~/.openttd/ file but openttd says they can't be found? 06:17:54 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:21:47 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:21:47 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 06:29:51 <Rubidium> maybe the files/directories use strange capitalisation 06:30:06 <SJrX> yeah it's possible 06:30:44 <Rubidium> or you don't have read access to the files (can sometimes happen when copying stuff from a non-unixy file system) 06:31:22 <Rubidium> Felicitus: add whatever you're missing to http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/AI:APISuggestions 06:31:55 <SJrX> Your 'OPENTTDW.GRF' file is corrupted or missing! This file was part of your installation. 06:32:41 <Rubidium> that file shouldn't be in your home directory's data dir 06:33:30 <SJrX> weird 06:33:30 <Rubidium> you probably copied that from Windows and the version you were using there differs 06:33:34 <SJrX> no I didn't 06:34:05 <SJrX> b6689105405fa3ea34cb8a5543633d29 OPENTTDW.GRF 06:34:10 <SJrX> that's the md5 06:35:25 <SJrX> Time to not use the deb 06:35:33 <Rubidium> that's 0.7.0-beta1/recent trunk 06:37:33 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:39:29 <SJrX> Yeah 06:39:47 <SJrX> If I want music I just put the gm file either in the gm subdirectory or in ~/.openttd? 06:40:12 <Rubidium> gm file? singular? 06:40:21 <SJrX> folder* 06:40:40 <Rubidium> the folder called gm should be in .openttd 06:40:55 <Rubidium> and make sure you've got timidity installed if you want it played 06:41:21 <Rubidium> and be *very* aware that timidity uses a *LOT* of CPU 06:41:52 <SJrX> really? 06:42:00 <SJrX> that sucks 06:45:53 <Rubidium> just do timidity gm_tt00.gm and see it 'waste' CPU 06:47:45 <Felicitus> Rubidium: too late, i already filed a feature request:) 06:48:39 <Yexo> good morning 06:48:45 <Felicitus> good morning yexo 06:49:18 <Felicitus> but until such a function is available, the ai is pretty lost in evaluating the trains :( 06:49:23 <Yexo> Felicitus: "This function is not exhaustive; a true here does not mean that the vehicle can pull the wagons, a false does mean it can't.". So what needs to be done from the AI programmer's side? <- You should call that result, if it returns false, it can't be attached 06:49:33 <Yexo> if it returns true, you should try and see whether it works 06:49:41 <Felicitus> Yexo: oh ok :) 06:50:12 <Felicitus> in simple words: trust "false", don't trust "true" 06:50:19 <Yexo> that's not perfect, but implementing a perfect function is impossible, since the newgrf can base it's decisions on a lot of things 06:50:27 <Yexo> Felicitus: exactly :) 06:50:27 <Felicitus> yes i guessed that 06:50:54 <Felicitus> i learned two weeks ago that newgrfs can do alot of things 06:51:17 <Yexo> about the power of a train engine, do you only need that in AIEngine or also in AIVehicle? (only for new engines or also the total value for an existing train?) 06:51:33 <Felicitus> i was playing on a modded server, of course i picked the train which had a good reliability, good power and was cheap - until i found out that i cannot attach coal waggons to it :) 06:52:01 <Felicitus> well, for now i just need the power of the engine for new vehicle 06:52:13 <Felicitus> so that the ai can estimate how performant it is 06:52:29 <Felicitus> but i think i need to dig into the openttd core, especially on where the acceleration is calculated 06:52:29 <SJrX> wow lol it's using 25% of my CPU 06:52:31 <SJrX> why is it so bad 06:52:49 <Rubidium> refitting may change power too, but there's no way to find out how much until you do it 06:53:25 <Felicitus> yes, but usually the value which the "new engine" window shows is the one to use in the calculation 06:53:32 <Rubidium> SJrX: when you know, please tell us 06:54:06 <SJrX> lol touche 06:54:08 <SJrX> You guys do good work 06:54:50 <SJrX> Damn I remember having this problem, that I wanted to fix with PBS, but now I can't find the save game, and since I named all my companies the same in all it's just a nightmare 06:54:59 <SJrX> it's weird I remember some of these games from over the years 06:55:31 <Felicitus> SJrX: i noticed that also. i still remember some of my games on kurt's 06:56:35 <SJrX> Found it 06:57:13 <SJrX> Hmmmm I think it's time to start a new game 06:59:31 <Felicitus> Yexo: now that i think of it, it might be also a good idea to retrieve the weight also. i guess it's taken into the calculation how quick a train accelerates, right? 07:00:22 <Rubidium> yes, but depending on the model it's done differently 07:00:40 <Rubidium> but then, so is maximum tractive effort 07:00:46 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 07:01:16 <Felicitus> well i dont need exact numbers, just a rough estimate 07:02:56 <Felicitus> so the power should be enough to start off with 07:02:57 <Rubidium> max tractive effort can be very important for acceleration 07:03:33 <Felicitus> hmm, i never had a detail look at that 07:03:51 <Yexo> Felicitus: I don't like half work, so I'll take a look and add several functions, ie GetPower, GetMaxTractiveEffort, GetWeight, etc. (dunno if there is more) 07:03:59 <Felicitus> Yexo: that's great 07:04:59 <Felicitus> Rubidium: if the AI would take *everything* into account, it would never be beatable, so i want to beheave it not so precisely 07:05:23 <Rubidium> if the AI takes everything into account it'd be way too slow 07:05:31 <Felicitus> yes, probably 07:06:32 <Felicitus> but it already beat me in picking the starting spots around 9/10 times :) 07:07:09 <Felicitus> and the one time i won was because a new power station at the opposite map corner was built 07:08:33 <Rubidium> just play like 'rondje (om de kerk)' and you'll beat the AI (assuming you can handle that strategy) 07:08:54 <Felicitus> what's that exactly? 07:09:15 <Rubidium> an AI that's like a parasite 07:10:03 <Felicitus> uhm where can i find information about that? google only spits out dutch sites 07:10:30 <Felicitus> ah 07:10:31 <Felicitus> found it 07:10:51 <Rubidium> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22rondje+om+de+kerk%22+site%3Att-forums.net&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= ? 07:13:36 <Felicitus> well, i consider selling vehicles at the end as abuse, and neither i nor my engine will do that :) 07:14:06 <Felicitus> how about adding an initial worth loss of the vehicle? :) 07:14:34 <Felicitus> s/worth/value 07:15:59 <Rubidium> has been propose a few times already 07:16:04 <Felicitus> wow, gentoo has a current ebuild for openttd! yay! 07:16:10 <Rubidium> need to implement it in a proper way 07:16:34 <Rubidium> what do you mean with proper? 07:17:13 <Felicitus> that would be great. its already forbidden to sell trains at the end of the line (also called one-way trains) on many servers, but it can't be checked properly by the server :( so many people abuse the rule 07:17:24 <Felicitus> Rubidium: huh? 07:17:55 <Rubidium> s/proper/current/ :) 07:18:36 <Felicitus> current=0.6.3 07:19:02 <Rubidium> yeah, took only 4 months to get through their political games 07:19:19 <Felicitus> ah, thats why 07:20:05 <Felicitus> usually i play on windows, but now i'm on gentoo for the ai development and i havent played a single game for like one week now 07:20:11 <Felicitus> my ranking on kurt's is...well...bad :) 07:20:44 <Rubidium> still dislike gentoo's mutilations 07:21:29 <Felicitus> hmm i'm used to it. as i need unusual configurations on a daily basis, i'm sticking with it since several years now 07:21:42 <Felicitus> if i need some kind of standard configuration, i pick windows ;) 07:21:47 <Rubidium> http://packages.openttd.org/gentoo/ <- for if you want something that doesn't take 4 months to update 07:22:03 <Rubidium> or rather, it took 6 months to get updated, but that's another story 07:22:14 <Felicitus> :) 07:22:38 <Felicitus> well i use trunk for ai development, so i dont really need the overlay 07:23:17 <Felicitus> hmm how does that sound? reliability 70%, speed 10%, cost 20% when valuating trains? 07:24:18 <Rubidium> depends on the settings 07:24:31 <Rubidium> breakdowns turned off: reliability 0% 07:24:39 <Felicitus> that's a good point 07:27:34 <Felicitus> thanks for the pointer :) 07:28:19 <Eddi|zuHause> imho, the reliability should not decrease when breakdowns are off 07:28:31 <Eddi|zuHause> solves other things like suggestions for station rating 07:29:57 <Eddi|zuHause> and letting a vehicle leave the depot should reduce value by 20% 07:40:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15519 /trunk/ (14 files in 4 dirs): -Add [NoAI]: support for waypoints by adding AIRail::Build/Remove RailWaypoint, AIWaypoint and AIWaypointList. 07:46:14 <Felicitus> yay 07:46:18 <Felicitus> much thanks Yexo 07:46:42 <Felicitus> $beers["yexo"]++ 07:58:34 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-61.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has left #openttd [] 08:02:43 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust620.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:07:39 <Felicitus> urx - squirrel has got pow() defined in its standard libraries :( 08:08:10 <Yexo> Felicitus: that doens't mean it's available for an AI 08:08:24 *** sanderbackus [~sanderbac@5ED17A81.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:08:24 <Yexo> nearly all of the standard squirrel libraries are disabled 08:08:38 <Felicitus> yes, thats why i wrote "urx" :) 08:13:33 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:15:32 <planetmaker> good morning 08:17:13 <Rubidium> afternoon planetmaker ;) 08:19:18 <dihedral> morning 08:21:47 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-work 08:24:28 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:31:14 *** sanderbackus [~sanderbac@5ED17A81.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: sanderbackus] 08:32:21 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765847#p765847 <--- hehe @ dihedral . You're absolutely right 08:32:34 <Felicitus> i hate squirrel 08:32:38 <Felicitus> quote: Statics are read-only. 08:33:04 <Felicitus> do i have to use globals? :( 08:33:36 <dihedral> Felicitus, are you a php guy by any chance? 08:34:09 <Felicitus> dihedral: yep 08:34:16 <Felicitus> oh you mean because i used the term static? :) 08:34:17 <dihedral> planetmaker, i only had intended to write the first to lines, but then the thoughts just started flowing :-P 08:34:31 <dihedral> Felicitus, no, not just :-P 08:34:45 <dihedral> and the term static is used in many languages 08:34:50 <Felicitus> why else, dihedral ? 08:35:29 <dihedral> but you asked if you had to use globals, because of $beers["yexo"]++, and other stuff 08:35:32 <dihedral> just kinda sticks out 08:35:36 <Felicitus> :) 08:35:51 <dihedral> and you should avoid globals in php also ;-) 08:35:56 <dihedral> just a wee hint on the side :-P 08:36:15 <Felicitus> well, i have grown up with basic and then c/c++, but i did alot of php development recently - primarly for business purposes 08:36:28 <Felicitus> dihedral: well, i want to AVOID globals, that's why i was wondering that statics are read only 08:36:49 <dihedral> it's just a trade of a language ;-) 08:37:02 <Felicitus> and when i have a look at other php projects, i believe i am the only guy who writes OO code 08:37:10 <dihedral> ...? 08:37:20 <dihedral> then i you are looking at the wrong stuff 08:37:36 <dihedral> and for sure you have not met DASPRiD 08:37:53 <Felicitus> well, look at phpmyadmin, contenido, typo3, phpbb etc etc 08:37:54 <dihedral> besides, if it's OO for php4, it sucks :-P 08:38:08 <dihedral> typo is OO! 08:38:10 <Felicitus> its not even procedural code, it's...well...mixed up 08:38:11 <dihedral> as is typolight 08:38:11 <Felicitus> it is? 08:38:24 <dihedral> typolight in fact will blow your mind 08:38:41 <Felicitus> last time i looked at typo3 (i have to admit it was several years ago) i found functions everywhere 08:38:48 <Felicitus> but almost no classes :) 08:39:20 <DASPRiD> Just writing OOP ist nothing special, having a good MVC structure is important. 08:39:34 <Felicitus> yes, DASPRiD 08:39:47 <Felicitus> and a good object model 08:40:18 <Felicitus> by the way, dihedral, i'm still waiting for a CMS which uses the ExtJS library 08:40:36 <DASPRiD> all those named projects are simply old, in that time, neither OOP nor MVC was important in any kind 08:40:44 <DASPRiD> ExtJs... 08:41:00 <Felicitus> i'm using that for my current project - http://www.netwatch24.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ 08:41:28 <DASPRiD> 403 Forbidden - One of the most interesting projects ;P 08:41:48 <Felicitus> whoops 08:41:56 <dihedral> yes, there seem to be quite a few of them, or of their parent project 404 08:41:57 <Felicitus> http://www.netwatch24.com/blog/ 08:42:13 <Felicitus> copy'n'paste for beginners - dont try that at home, kids 08:42:22 <Felicitus> (a shame i dont know my own URLs :) 08:42:45 <dihedral> device manager for switches? in php? 08:42:47 <dihedral> ..... 08:42:49 <dihedral> right 08:43:36 <DASPRiD> Looks weird / wired 08:43:41 <Felicitus> dihedral: what you see is where you can design the switch. and actually that piece runs 100% in the browser. saving/loading devices is done via ajax 08:44:38 <DASPRiD> ajax is so 1990' :/ 08:44:55 <Felicitus> what would you use? ;) 08:44:59 <DASPRiD> json 08:45:11 <Felicitus> uhm... 08:45:13 <Felicitus> aha 08:45:15 <db48x> ajaj is the new thing 08:45:23 <DASPRiD> db48x, correct 08:45:25 <dihedral> i wrote a hardware configurator for appliances once 08:45:30 <dihedral> for the last company i worked for 08:45:33 <Felicitus> well, yes, actually it is ajaj then 08:45:41 <dihedral> it's online 08:45:46 <Felicitus> now that you say 08:45:48 <dihedral> it runs 100% with oo js 08:46:03 <dihedral> only downside, the company never populated it with the data 08:46:07 <DASPRiD> talking about oo js: http://home.dasprids.de/projects/klotski 08:46:34 <Felicitus> dihedral: that's what I'm heading for also. i started the project a few years ago, and did stuff here and there, but now it's time to put the whole thing on a completely new platform 08:47:02 <Felicitus> for example, the canvas support for the device editor is oo, but the rest of the platform isn't 08:47:16 <dihedral> my highscore has been saved, Darkvater 08:47:17 <dihedral> ops 08:47:18 <dihedral> DASPRiD, 08:47:27 <DASPRiD> dihedral, first level? ;) 08:47:42 <Felicitus> by the way, if someone wants to try that device editor yourself: http://www.netwatch24.com/alpha/netwatch24/trunk/frontend/register.php then http://www.netwatch24.com/alpha/netwatch24/trunk/frontend/login.php 08:47:55 <Felicitus> DAMN 08:48:12 <Felicitus> http://www.netwatch24.com/alpha/netwatch24/trunk/frontend/registration.php even 08:49:06 <db48x> otoh, ajaj is a really terrible name 08:49:18 <db48x> it's a name for a thing that doesn't need a name 08:49:20 <DASPRiD> db48x, that's why everyone just calls it json 08:49:30 <DASPRiD> frddy vs json 08:49:40 <Felicitus> ciwyw :) 08:51:22 <DASPRiD> heh i made dihedral addicted i guess 08:54:34 <Felicitus> hmm, so let's get back to the original topic: if i have a squirrel class with a static function, and i need to cache data between the calls of that function, how would i do that? i dont want to use globals 08:54:40 <Felicitus> DASPRiD: yes its nice :) 08:56:05 <DASPRiD> yet nobody solved the last level ;) 08:56:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B61A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:57:50 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9CA0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:58:53 <Yexo> Felicitus: you'll have to use a global in some way or another 08:59:03 <DASPRiD> not actually 08:59:21 <DASPRiD> The registry design pattern helps you out at that point 08:59:28 <DASPRiD> at least until namespaces come into game 08:59:37 <Felicitus> hmm 09:00:05 <Rubidium> a variable of a static class is in effect a global too 09:00:38 <Felicitus> Rubidium: yes, but i see it as some kind of "private" to that class, more or less protected from the rest 09:01:00 <Rubidium> true 09:01:44 <Felicitus> and even php5 supports private static on attributes, which makes it exclusive to that class 09:01:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15520 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (15 files): -Cleanup [NoAI]: Fix some typos, unify the comment style and update some documentation since a few enums have been renamed. 09:03:55 <DASPRiD> correct, take a look at Zend_Registry: http://framework.zend.com/svn/framework/standard/trunk/library/Zend/Registry.php 09:06:42 <Felicitus> and i can't await php 5.3 - finally they introduce namespaces 09:08:15 <Felicitus> and i can start my new project. until then i need to wait until php 5.3 builds on my box or continue working on the felicitusAI :) 09:09:49 <DASPRiD> dihedral, are you trying to solve the sunshine level? 09:10:01 <DASPRiD> Felicitus, heh, probably learn something useful until then... like zend framework ;) 09:10:52 <Felicitus> DASPRiD: i know the zend framework 09:11:21 <Felicitus> but since i was using portions of contenido as base for my work, i could not use it 09:11:47 <DASPRiD> well, you can always use single components of zend framework, thanks to it's use-at-will structure 09:12:42 * DASPRiD listens to: Amon Amarth - Varyags of Miklagaard 09:12:48 <Felicitus> yes and no - many patterns of what zend provides are already implemented in contenido 09:13:26 <DASPRiD> yeah and so you can use the components of ZF which supply the missing patterns 09:16:18 <planetmaker> DASPRiD: what's the aim of this klotski-game? 09:16:28 <Felicitus> there's nothing that comes into my mind which could be replaced by zf easily, and the last projects i did were pretty much implemented without any modifications to the core 09:16:59 <Felicitus> and as i see, there's still no ORM provided by zend :( 09:17:04 <DASPRiD> Felicitus, don't know, how about for example Zend_Uri? 09:17:11 <DASPRiD> or ZendX_Console_Process_Unix ;) 09:17:15 <DASPRiD> planetmaker, guess :) 09:17:45 <planetmaker> some kind of final configuration... 09:18:14 <Felicitus> DASPRiD: actually no. the only thing where URIs are processed is actually on the client (js) side - the rest goes via web services, and the web service is integrated within contenido 09:18:31 <DASPRiD> planetmaker, move marked block to green area 09:18:55 <planetmaker> ah... the marked block... :) 09:18:58 <DASPRiD> ;) 09:20:10 <Felicitus> hmm...there's no platform where someone can start working with (like a PHP-based system) and then evolve to a better performance platform later (like java or c/c++) when the business grows? 09:20:51 <Felicitus> and the actual application logic is implemented in some kind of meta-language? 09:20:51 <DASPRiD> well, java-bridge? 09:21:21 <Felicitus> no that's not what i mean 09:22:07 <DASPRiD> ah i c what you mean 09:22:20 <DASPRiD> the interpreter beeing written in language a) and b)? 09:22:27 <Felicitus> yes 09:22:37 <Felicitus> plus the environment, like persistence and application layer 09:22:39 <DASPRiD> tho, why should you start with the slowest interpreter 09:22:59 <DASPRiD> there's not persistence in web ;) 09:23:03 <Felicitus> because the business is small and you can't afford an own server 09:24:01 <Felicitus> i have had the problem myself - i'm currently implementing the network monitoring system in PHP, because I a) want to run it on my web server, b) i probably want to license it to customers and c) i maybe want to give it out as open source 09:24:06 <DASPRiD> well i don't know such a platfrom 09:24:34 <Felicitus> most people only have PHP on their server, but customers want to be sure that the software also runs well, and they don't really want a PHP cluster :) 09:25:03 <Felicitus> the pattern which would describe my approach is "implement once - serve many" :) 09:27:18 <Felicitus> or some kind of meta-language, which can generate code automatically - just like the UML->(language XY) generators, but not for the class design, but for the actual implementation 09:28:21 <DASPRiD> then you could simply write a php2cpp converter ;) 09:28:46 <Felicitus> ;) 09:29:02 <Felicitus> and what if my customer already has a big java cluster running? :) 09:29:15 <DASPRiD> then you go on with your next projects: php2java 09:29:18 <DASPRiD> simple, eh? ;) 09:29:21 <Felicitus> :P 09:29:40 <Felicitus> or i embed squirrel everywhere :) 09:29:53 <DASPRiD> or you write everything in brainfuck 09:30:04 <DASPRiD> writing brainfuck interpreters is easy 09:30:07 <Felicitus> hehe 09:30:24 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765861#p765861 <- Roest: Uh Uh Uh.... i wanna play too :-D 09:30:38 <DASPRiD> dihedral, wb ;) 09:31:13 <DASPRiD> you didnt solve the last level :x 09:32:58 <dihedral> i was close, but i need to work 09:33:05 <dihedral> well 'close' being on a very good way :-P 09:33:10 <DASPRiD> hehe 09:33:13 <DASPRiD> you will get more levels later 09:33:18 <dihedral> had all the little blocks down by the big fat boy 09:33:22 <DASPRiD> klotski.de is yet reserved ;) 09:33:24 <DASPRiD> nice 09:33:26 <dihedral> i will not try later ;-) 09:33:31 <DASPRiD> :D 09:33:43 <Felicitus> DASPRiD: http://www.meta-language.net 09:33:49 <Felicitus> that's what i described :D 09:33:51 <dihedral> i need to work (aka looking at openttd source or tcl stuff :-P) 09:33:52 <DASPRiD> you could try to cheat into the highscore 09:34:02 <DASPRiD> but thats not possible, the server validates all your moves ;) 09:34:18 <dihedral> sure i can cheat into the highscore 09:34:20 <dihedral> that is very easy 09:34:41 <dihedral> just need a http proxy :-P 09:34:51 <dihedral> and then resend the data with invalid time stamps 09:35:00 <dihedral> (manipulated rather) 09:35:07 <DASPRiD> dihedral, doesnt work ;) 09:35:17 <dihedral> and why would that not work? 09:35:20 <DASPRiD> you have to send a valid movement-list to the server 09:35:42 <DASPRiD> because it tests all moves and checks if the goal is met 09:36:49 <dihedral> DASPRiD, that is what i just described to you - a simple http replay with manipulated timestamps 09:37:17 <DASPRiD> how does that get you into the highscore? :x 09:37:30 <dihedral> sending valid moves, in very short time 09:37:34 <dihedral> ;-) 09:37:42 <DASPRiD> well for valid moves, you first have to solve the puzzle ;) 09:37:55 <dihedral> .... did you read what i said or did you just reply? 09:38:07 <DASPRiD> probably either i or you dont get it :) 09:38:20 <dihedral> you can capture sent packets and resend them! 09:38:37 <dihedral> so you solve the puzzle in as much time as you like, whilst caputuring the communication between you and the server 09:39:03 <dihedral> all you then need to do is manipulate the packets and resend them, while your session is still valid 09:39:24 <dihedral> so you have then solved the puzzle in less time, with valid moves. 09:39:39 <dihedral> and it would look very funny if i solve the puzzle with 3k moves and 2 seconds ;-) 09:39:39 <DASPRiD> i dont get the sense of the resend packets somehow 09:39:51 <DASPRiD> ah i c what you want 09:40:01 <DASPRiD> nope that doesnt work :) 09:40:19 <DASPRiD> the time counter runs on server side, connected with a game id, which you get at start of the game 09:40:39 <dihedral> so i start the game from the proxy, then replay my moves 09:40:52 <DASPRiD> that could actually work 09:41:23 <DASPRiD> but still you have the problem in solving the puzzle itself ;) 09:41:25 <dihedral> Roest is funny 09:41:39 <Roest> what why 09:41:41 <dihedral> while he is connected to irc he reads less of the conversations than when he is not :-D 09:42:04 * dihedral chuckles 09:42:27 <Roest> sure you talking about me? 09:43:48 <dihedral> ^^ 09:45:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15521 /trunk/src/ (build_vehicle_gui.cpp engine.cpp engine_base.h): -Codechange: add helper function to get the display tractive effort of a vehicle. 10:05:57 <Felicitus> wow - seems that the SpiderMonkey js engine is supported in all major programming languages, it seems that a PHP pecl module is also prepared :) 10:13:43 <dihedral> now that will make your app widely used! relying on a pecl module! 10:14:56 <dihedral> http://media.ongein.nl/getItem.aspx?file=2009/n619225168_161452_6684[1].jpg 10:15:30 <Felicitus> yes, that's what i thought also now 10:15:43 <Felicitus> if it was in the core - yes 10:17:41 <petern> hmm, Rubidium, where does that patch lead? i have an already working "realistic" acceleration patch... 10:18:29 <Rubidium> giving AIs the possibility to compare on maxte 10:18:38 <petern> arrr 10:18:47 <petern> cool 10:19:07 <Rubidium> hmm, probably should've written engine instead of vehicle 10:21:09 <Rubidium> it's just to prevent duplication of some code from the build vehicle gui 10:23:34 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 10:31:08 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has joined #openttd 10:34:40 <dihedral> planetmaker, how about we start a 'user flaming' thread :-D 10:38:44 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:39:37 <dihedral> is distant join station available to AI's? 10:41:12 <Rubidium> yup 10:43:55 <dihedral> nice 10:46:12 <petern> hmm? 10:47:34 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:54:03 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:37 <dihedral> what is this silly JacobD88-thing anyway? 11:13:04 <Felicitus> ok that's nice - felicitusAI now picks the best available train available based on cost, reliability and max speed 11:13:19 <Felicitus> as soon as Yexo has implemented the power thing, it's nearly perfect :) 11:14:36 <dihedral> enjoying your progress it seems ;-) 11:15:10 * dihedral wait's for 'scotty beam me up' AI, which uses the advantage of station_spread + distant join stations to the full 11:15:51 <Felicitus> well, i actually already use portions of that to calculate the maximum station length and when it upgrades/extends one station type to another 11:18:34 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765885#p765885 <- can _anybody_ make heads or tails of this? 11:19:22 <Noldo> no 11:19:22 <Rubidium> dihedral: yes; you just need to invert the online-translator and ask a Hungarian 11:19:54 <dihedral> does somebody have a hungarian i could ask? 11:20:13 <Rubidium> no, don't own one (yet) 11:20:38 <dihedral> when you have one, could you let me know what that guy is trying to express? 11:20:43 <petern> Darkvater? 11:21:31 <dihedral> he's no hungarian is he? :-P 11:22:46 <dihedral> http://translate.google.de/translate_t?hl=de#en|de|The%20%22%20Downloadable%20contents%20be%20%22%20window%201%20such%20button%20%22%20designate%20the%20designation%20beside%20%22%20button%20what%20every%20either%20(for%20instance.%3A%20His%20every%20designation). 11:23:19 <dihedral> makes a wee bit more sense, but on a scale from 1 to 10, with 1 being the least sense it makes it's still at -90 11:25:15 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d1bd.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25:52 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d1bd.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:25:54 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765888#p765888 <- well then i take it that's a friendly response :-P 11:26:53 <Rubidium> I think he wants a "select all" button 11:27:43 <dihedral> " designate the designation beside " <- you get that out of this? 11:27:45 <Forked> wow. I have a grand total of 22 posts.. I rock 11:27:59 <dihedral> or "button what every either" 11:28:30 <dihedral> "window 1 such button" <- that kinda sais nothing either 11:28:56 <dihedral> a window with only one button? a window that looks just like one button? he has a button in a window? 11:29:03 * dihedral is totally confuddled 11:29:13 <Forked> dihedral: I responded to that thread with a suggestion. 11:29:38 <Rubidium> I really think he wants 1 button to select everything in the download content window 11:33:56 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d1bd.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:34:29 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad456b5.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:35:04 <dihedral> some advertising....: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/WWOTTDGD3 11:35:09 <dihedral> thank you :-P 11:35:39 <dihedral> Rubidium, now please mangle a response that he will understand :-D 11:39:03 <Rubidium> no, non, nein, nee, never, n3v4h, nooit, ... 11:39:35 <dihedral> noite? 11:39:45 <dihedral> :-P 11:39:58 <dihedral> Rubidium, quite simple, reverse the steps you did to find out what he means 11:40:08 <dihedral> or pipe it through 'kenny' :-P 11:40:21 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:32 <dihedral> mmm = a, mmp = b, mmf = c, mpm = d ....... 11:40:42 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:43:12 <DASPRiD> dihedral, o.0 11:43:24 <DASPRiD> mfm = e? 11:44:30 <DASPRiD> or mpp = e? 11:46:35 <FloSoft> I have one crash here: Depot, in front of it I have a pbs signal - soon as a train goes into the depot, it crashes in TrainMovedChangeSignals with an assertion in IsValidTile 11:47:07 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:48:05 <dihedral> lovely 11:48:25 <FloSoft> okay it crashes before trainmovedchangesingals 11:48:34 <FloSoft> i'll try to find it exactly 11:52:17 <FloSoft> aaah - it was a sharedinfrastructure-patch-error ;) 11:52:43 <dihedral> you report bugs on patched games?? 11:53:02 * dihedral applauds 11:53:17 <FloSoft> dihedral: yea i first used the wrong binary, sorry 11:53:30 <FloSoft> thought i used the non patched binary to debug 11:54:50 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-179.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:06:41 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:20:09 *** smeding_ [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:20:21 *** smeding_ [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:20:31 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:24:39 *** valhalla1w is now known as valhallasw 12:31:23 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-179.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 12:51:47 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad456b5.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51:49 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad456b5.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:04:39 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:06 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:07:09 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:27 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:09:14 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226192195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:10:54 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:11:33 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:16:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:20:49 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad456b5.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20:51 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad456b5.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:23:37 <dihedral> Roest, i shall try to make you 'smile': http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765918#p765918 13:30:15 *** Felicitus [~timo@p3EE3F937.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:31:33 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.39] has joined #openttd 13:48:05 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:49:58 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:50:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:53:31 <Roest> dihedral lol 13:53:55 <NukeBuster|laptop> :) 13:57:24 <dihedral> LapBuster|nuke :-P 14:01:00 <NukeBuster|laptop> :) 14:07:31 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:13:16 <NukeBuster|laptop> dihedral, i notice you are really busy with that Alain guy. 14:29:00 <Sacro> hmm... what happened to Karen 14:31:17 *** mucht_home [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:19 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet628.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:34:51 <petern> who? 14:35:49 <Rubidium> when? 14:36:27 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 14:37:22 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:37:42 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:44:39 <Sacro> openttd.info! 14:45:56 <Rubidium> looks kinda like hungarian to me 14:47:24 <petern> grr, the backlight on my small monitor is flickering :/ 14:47:26 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:47:32 <petern> seems to be dependent on screen changes though 14:47:46 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:49:04 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has joined #openttd 14:49:31 <dihedral> NukeBuster|laptop, Alain is quite annoying 14:51:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.160.8] has joined #openttd 14:55:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15522 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/contentserver/ (contentserver.h handler.cpp main.cpp tcp.cpp): [MSU] -Change: uncomplexify the content server a bit, but use a more memory (and hope it doesn't get OOM-killed ;)). 14:55:33 <Sacro> Rubidium: that's not a word 14:55:52 <Forked> and I think you're missing the word "bit" (more memory) :-) 14:55:54 <Sacro> "uncomplicate" is what you mean 14:56:13 <Rubidium> Sacro: what's a word and what isn't? 14:57:11 <dihedral> a word of one syllable is a primitive :-P 14:57:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.184.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:57:39 <Sacro> Rubidium: "uncomplexify" 14:58:00 <Rubidium> dihedral: Guy Steele? 14:58:36 <dihedral> Rubidium, yep 14:58:51 <dihedral> after all, you posted the link 14:58:55 <Rubidium> so uncomplexify is both a word and not a word, interesting 14:59:21 <dihedral> just needs defining :-P 15:00:34 <Rubidium> uncomplexify: the process of making something less complex. 15:00:45 <dihedral> complex then also needs defining 15:00:47 <Rubidium> so, now it's in Sacro's vocabulary 15:00:49 <dihedral> it's 2 sylibils 15:00:58 <dihedral> oh no Rubidium 15:01:07 <dihedral> Sacro is a wimp :-D 15:01:19 <Rubidium> I've chosen the primitives to be 'simple english words' 15:01:27 <petern> jessica alba is in sacro's "vocabulary" 15:01:44 <dihedral> primitives 15:04:07 <DASPRiD> dihedral, http://home.dasprids.de/projects/klotski 15:04:12 <DASPRiD> inserted all levels 15:04:44 <Rubidium> oh, the primitives are even part of Charles K. Ogden's Basic English 15:14:52 <petern> uncomplexify? 15:16:48 *** Sedontane [~sedontane@autodns-194-80-154-57.staffs.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:16:48 *** dsoxygen [user@p5B0A4674.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:16:53 <Sedontane> Hiya 15:17:02 <Rubidium> petern: you know I like to introduce new words, right? 15:17:16 <dsoxygen> hi there 15:17:23 <petern> introducify 15:17:43 <petern> while we're at it 15:17:44 <Sedontane> Can anyone instruct me on how to get my compiled version of OpenTTD to stop saying norev000 15:18:02 <dsoxygen> is there any possibility to manage a openttd ded sever by a other program with DDE? 15:18:30 <Rubidium> Sedontane: easiest is using a subversion checkout instead of downloading the sources from the website 15:18:47 <Sedontane> I did use svn 15:18:53 <Sedontane> TortoiseSVN 15:19:05 <petern> dsoxygen, no 15:19:11 <petern> (does DDE still exist, even?) 15:19:18 <Rubidium> what is DDE? 15:19:27 <dsoxygen> not realy ;) 15:19:28 *** George34 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 15:19:32 <Rubidium> Devil's Disaster Environment? 15:19:39 <dsoxygen> lol 15:20:00 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21:08 <Rubidium> to use DDE you need to write a DDE <-> OpenTTD console wrapper application 15:21:28 <Rubidium> Sedontane: what compiler? 15:21:44 <Sedontane> Vis Studio 2009 Professional 15:22:24 <planetmaker> dsoxygen: you might want to take a look at autopilot or ap+ and the openttdlib 15:22:34 <Rubidium> it should be able to detect tortoise, unless it's registry settings are screwed up 15:22:59 <Sedontane> only reason im compiling is there seems to be no way to get old nightlies now - and coop has a (recent) old nightly 15:23:19 <dsoxygen> ok thx for the hints 15:23:19 <dsoxygen> by 15:23:24 <Rubidium> binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk doesn't have it anymore? 15:23:25 <petern> http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/ 15:23:26 <petern> yeah 15:23:29 <petern> none there :o 15:24:02 *** dsoxygen [user@p5B0A4674.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 15:24:07 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:08 <petern> do you need r1? hehe 15:24:09 <Sedontane> ah 15:24:16 <Sedontane> lol 15:24:30 <Rubidium> petern: more than ~2-3 months old are only the sources 15:24:36 <Sedontane> couldnt find it - there is no obvious link to there on the site 15:24:36 <petern> :D 15:24:40 <petern> which are a lie 15:24:50 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.39] has joined #openttd 15:24:57 <petern> because there weren't proper nightlies in those dark ages 15:25:30 <Rubidium> true; we kinda reconstructed it 15:27:47 <Sedontane> got it 15:28:13 <Sedontane> cheers guys 15:29:11 <planetmaker> DASPRiD: ha, "success" was really a success :P 15:30:06 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:30:26 <DASPRiD> hehe 15:35:06 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35:23 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:43:35 <petern> HUGE SUCCESS 15:55:41 <DASPRiD> orly? 15:58:45 <petern> what svn clients are there for windows other than tortoise? 15:58:56 <Sacro> svn 15:59:05 <Sacro> ankhsvn 15:59:12 <Sacro> well, that's VS plugin 15:59:21 <Roest> subversive, but that's an eclipse plugin 15:59:21 <DASPRiD> rapidsvn 15:59:31 <DASPRiD> (standalone gui) 15:59:41 <DASPRiD> and svn console client itself for sure 15:59:57 <petern> ankhsvn's shit :D 16:00:00 <petern> and not what i need 16:00:43 <Roest> i have yet to find a way to apply a patch and edit conflicts with ankh 16:02:37 <dihedral> petern, what you wanting to do? 16:03:18 <DASPRiD> petern, and what about my suggestions? 16:05:56 <petern> trying it 16:09:14 *** Sedontane [~sedontane@autodns-194-80-154-57.staffs.ac.uk] has left #openttd [] 16:09:39 <Belugas> VisualSVN 16:11:01 <glx> but it doesn't work with express versions 16:11:57 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 16:16:00 <Belugas> ho... 16:16:07 <Belugas> that's ... unfortunate 16:17:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:19:02 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:12 <Roest> hmm interesting, who's that alain guy dihedral is speaking of 16:22:37 <dihedral> what me? where? 16:23:47 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:23:47 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 16:26:58 <Roest> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=41859 16:33:53 <dihedral> Roest, yes? :-P 16:34:38 <petern> yeah well i'm not using MSVC 16:35:12 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1A80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:35:15 <petern> i need it on a server where i don't want all tortoise's bloat in there 16:35:28 <glx> then just use svn CLI 16:35:40 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D7B1.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:35:59 <petern> well rapidsvn already did the trick 16:39:47 <dihedral> all gui stuff is 'bloated' :-D 16:42:17 <DASPRiD> dihedral, but rapidsvn is nice and cross-platform :P 16:43:32 <glx> svn is too 16:48:20 <DASPRiD> glx, no argument against rapidsvn ;) 16:49:06 *** caladan [~chatzilla@161-bem-18.acn.waw.pl] has joined #openttd 16:50:37 <dihedral> DASPRiD, cli counts 16:51:40 <DASPRiD> anyway, i prefer subversive in zsfe :) 16:53:32 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@e224212.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:53:44 <dihedral> svn gui clients is only for people who cannot read unified diff format and dont know how to edit conflicts in vim 16:53:57 <dihedral> :-P 16:54:51 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:56 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad456b5.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:02 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad51a45.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:55:07 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:55:43 <Sacro> hehe 16:55:45 <Sacro> <3 vim 16:56:41 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet628.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:56:47 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:58:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15523 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 16:58:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-02-19 16:58:17 16:58:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 3 fixed, 8 changed by Ludslad (11) 16:58:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: estonian - 14 fixed by t2t2 (14) 16:58:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: latvian - 1 changed by v3rb0 (1) 16:58:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: luxembourgish - 336 fixed by Gubius (336) 17:00:42 <Sacro> that's not a real language 17:01:22 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fddf6.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:06:29 <NukeBuster|laptop> There should be a swedish shef language ;) 17:08:26 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@silver.liacs.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:09:40 <Mortomes> Make it happen 17:10:49 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:10:53 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:13:40 <Belugas> i solve conflicts in Notepad++, in Tortoise, in VisualSVN... am i a bad person?? 17:14:07 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15:22 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 17:16:02 <glx> I use notepad++ too :) 17:16:12 <glx> svn starts it directly 17:20:28 <Eddi|zuHause> you use windows, you can only be evil :p 17:20:33 <Eddi|zuHause> or mad 17:20:37 <Eddi|zuHause> or both 17:21:09 <Belugas> I love Notepad++ :D it's quick, it's simple, it has nice highlights... 17:21:33 <Belugas> i'm not ONLY using windows, Eddi|zuHause :) My laptop is on Ubuntu 17:21:44 <Belugas> AND Xp 17:21:47 <Belugas> but... 17:22:07 <Belugas> it's recent ;) 17:25:12 *** caladan [~chatzilla@161-bem-18.acn.waw.pl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009021207]] 17:27:02 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.39] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:27:07 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:33:09 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:15 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:26 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 17:38:26 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38:29 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:39:56 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 17:48:41 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51:13 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:51:25 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 17:52:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:52:23 <Wolf01> hello 17:53:45 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 17:54:15 <dihedral> 0118 999 881 999 119 725 17:54:41 <Eddi|zuHause> that's an awfully long phone number 17:55:12 <glx> lol 17:56:17 <dihedral> 3 17:56:38 <dihedral> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK4Xye7AErE 17:58:23 <glx> nice one 17:59:01 *** dfox [~dfox@rb5cm232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:59:48 <Eddi|zuHause> see... it actually WAS a phone number :p 18:02:03 <dihedral> i just want those number sung out, as a ringtone for my mobile.... 18:02:09 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes i think i am psychic... when watching that sketch i though "they need to make a joke about '911', too" 18:02:39 <dihedral> it was your female intuition 18:03:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, even my maths teacher told that to me 18:05:30 <dihedral> HAHA 18:05:34 <dihedral> you bitch :-P 18:10:18 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226192195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:10:18 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226192195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:18 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:16:19 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 18:28:04 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.30.178] has joined #openttd 18:28:31 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:32:32 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:32:32 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 18:32:57 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:33:25 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41:50 <el_en> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7899171.stm 18:46:06 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad51a45.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:46:39 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3484b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 18:53:11 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:58:11 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 18:58:16 <energetic> any past efforts for a scrpting system to make ur own levels? 18:58:30 <energetic> (or level sequences) 18:59:07 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 18:59:25 <Yexo> energetic: I don't know about any 18:59:38 <Belugas> i don't even know what you are talking about 19:00:07 <energetic> like the NOAI system, only for level scripting instead of creating AIs 19:00:31 <Belugas> what is level scrpting? 19:00:38 <Yexo> energetic: you're talking about creating scenarios goals right? 19:00:51 <planetmaker> g'evening 19:00:57 <Yexo> hello planetmaker 19:01:02 <energetic> level scripting -> create a system where you can make interactive scenarios 19:01:19 <energetic> eg goal is to make 10 trains, earn 2M/y 19:01:46 <energetic> hi 19:02:10 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:02:37 <energetic> Yexo: yes :) 19:02:53 <energetic> Belugas: U understand it now? 19:03:13 <Belugas> YOU 19:03:15 <Belugas> not U 19:03:24 <energetic> y not? 19:03:31 <Belugas> Yo MAN, watsup? 19:03:37 <Belugas> pffff 19:03:56 <Belugas> yes, i do understand now. no, nobody cared on working on this 19:03:57 <energetic> its just chatlanguage? often used words making them very short? 19:04:15 <Belugas> no, it's american slang and it's not welcome in here 19:04:25 <energetic> "wtf r u talkin bout" is nicely short :P 19:04:35 <planetmaker> energetic: you may understand it. None native speakers may not. 19:04:59 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-61.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 19:05:11 <Belugas> do you find a kick nice? 19:05:23 * planetmaker hugs Belugas 19:05:27 <Mortomes> It's also a nice sore to the eye. 19:05:44 <Alberth> and very difficult to read 19:06:00 <energetic> do you find a kick nice? -> that was for me? 19:06:15 <energetic> well, I have no problem conforming to some standard whatsoever 19:06:29 <energetic> but I was under the impression that this _was_ the standard :P 19:06:44 <glx> not here :) 19:06:52 <planetmaker> luckily :) 19:07:54 <Alberth> energetic: the only other scripting effort I am aware of, is an attempt to implement NewGRF callbacks in a script. It didn't get very far (luckily imho) 19:08:37 <energetic> are there any plans or opinions about such an effort? 19:08:39 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet628.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 19:09:22 *** Jolteon [~jolteon@5acb31bd.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 19:09:25 <Jolteon> Howdy. 19:09:28 <Jolteon> I need some help. 19:09:34 <Jolteon> I can't build planes D: 19:09:44 <Jolteon> Just says "can't build aircraft" 19:09:44 <Jolteon> d: 19:09:49 <planetmaker> set the maximum allowed number of planes to > 0 19:10:04 <planetmaker> and make sure that the game year is such that planes are available 19:10:16 <planetmaker> 1850 obviously there won't be planes 19:10:17 <Alberth> energetic: not sure what the gain would be, everybody gets very rich in a few years, so what kind of goals are left then? 19:11:09 <energetic> thats exactly the reason why you want such a system, I think. e.g. create levels where you can set custom goals with custom metrics 19:11:24 <energetic> ie. make an island with coal mines impossible to start with 19:11:34 <energetic> and have a goal transporting x coal/month 19:12:30 <energetic> or like a newbie system where you can start with a 64x64 level explaining basics 19:12:57 <energetic> when he connected the two coal mines, the level becomes an 128x128 sized one with the network still on it. 19:13:34 <energetic> when he successfully meets goal2, level is again elnarged, goal harder (or based on current network) 19:14:04 <energetic> adaptive decisionmaking for ie disasters (player is going well -> more disasters, bad player-> less disasters 19:14:12 <planetmaker> btw, Jolteon , plane availability depends upon the plane newGRF(s) loaded - if any. 19:14:17 <Alberth> energetic: a script for demo-ing some things (eg laying down rails) would be nice. newbies get heavily confused with the basics. 19:14:43 <Mortomes> Wasn't there a basic demo for that in the original ttd? 19:14:54 <Alberth> yes, there was 19:15:02 <energetic> yeah. this way they can learn it all while having fun and a concise nice goal to motivate them 19:15:24 <energetic> yapf, yapp, junctions, etcetc 19:15:37 <Alberth> not sure whether you should dynamically set new goals, but I guess it is possible. 19:15:49 <energetic> well a lot is possible 19:15:59 <Ammler> iirc, Truebrain has a patch for 19:16:03 <energetic> but i would love to see some very challneging maps 19:16:20 <Ammler> quite old rev, but :-) 19:16:20 <energetic> maps who are hard for very experienced players 19:16:55 <energetic> eg have company value of 10M within ten year on a given map 19:18:28 <energetic> but also a lot of ingame gimmicks, such as different town authorities some very reluctant to change, some dont care 19:19:12 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-61.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 19:19:34 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-61.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 19:21:45 <Alberth> personally, I don't care much for goals, so no idea whether such goals are useful 19:22:30 *** Eoin [Eoin@92-233-181-117.cable.ubr08.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:22:37 <welshdragon> is there a server that can host a map for me and Eoin? 19:22:58 <Eoin> or can i increase the connection tick limit? 19:31:44 *** DorpsGek is now known as Guest613 19:31:52 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 19:31:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 19:33:51 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:33:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:34:27 *** Guest613 [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:36:26 *** DorpsGek is now known as Guest614 19:37:54 *** Guest614 [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:20 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 19:38:23 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 19:38:26 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83BDA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:19 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83B48.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:40:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:41:21 <Sacro> Eoin: you can increase the tick limit 19:41:36 <Eoin> ive already figure out how 19:41:36 <Eoin> :) 19:44:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15524 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Add [NoAI]: AIEngine::GetPower, AIEngine::GetWeight and AIEngine::GetMaxTractiveEffort. 19:45:32 *** edeca [~david@lenny.lionserver.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:45:42 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226192195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:45:42 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226192195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:42 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 19:45:51 <Sacro> I found a bug in 0.7.0-beta1 :D 19:45:55 * Sacro dances 19:46:02 * Sacro wants Bjarni to fix it 19:49:48 <Eoin> what is it xD 19:52:31 <petern> @seen bjarni 19:52:31 <DorpsGek> petern: bjarni was last seen in #openttd 19 hours, 19 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <Bjarni> night 19:53:05 <svip> @seen svip 19:53:05 <DorpsGek> svip: svip was last seen in #openttd 6 days, 22 hours, 9 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <svip> :S 19:53:15 <svip> Man, I have been gone a long time. 19:53:27 <petern> @seen peter1138 19:53:27 <DorpsGek> petern: peter1138 was last seen in #openttd 20 weeks, 0 days, 9 hours, 5 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <peter1138> Hmm, seems OpenTTD's config rewrites the files that stall... 19:55:13 <Bjarni> hello petern 19:55:35 <Sacro> @seen Karen 19:55:35 <DorpsGek> Sacro: I have not seen Karen. 19:55:45 <Sacro> @seen patchbot 19:55:46 <DorpsGek> Sacro: I have not seen patchbot. 19:55:48 <Sacro> hmm 19:55:49 <Bjarni> @seen boobs 19:55:49 <DorpsGek> Bjarni: I have not seen boobs. 19:55:54 <Sacro> @seen Bjarni 19:55:54 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 4 seconds ago: <Bjarni> @seen boobs 19:56:02 <Sacro> i do love boobs 19:56:03 <Bjarni> looks like that bot is blind 19:56:12 <Bjarni> it's on the internet after all and still.... 19:57:05 <frosch123> Bjarni: wrong question 19:57:11 <frosch123> @seen someone 19:57:11 <DorpsGek> frosch123: someone was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 3 weeks, 5 days, 1 hour, 4 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: * Someone here is gay 20:00:22 <welshdragon> lol 20:02:32 <petern> # don't give up, cos you have friends 20:03:02 <welshdragon> can we ave speed limits? 20:03:24 <Roest> who'd want that? 20:03:34 <welshdragon> me :P 20:03:41 <planetmaker> speak slower, please, welshdragon - you're beyond the speed limit of talking ;) 20:04:03 <welshdragon> planetmaker: haha 20:05:29 <Eoin> welshdragon 20:05:30 <Eoin> save game 20:05:37 *** George34 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05:39 <welshdragon> Eoin: in a sec 20:05:44 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 20:05:44 <welshdragon> i'm on t'loo 20:05:50 <Eoin> oo errr 20:07:06 <Jolteon> kthx. 20:08:12 <welshdragon> o_O 20:08:49 <Eoin> save already! 20:08:50 <Eoin> i got praccie 20:09:53 *** bayo_O [~bayo@mut38-5-82-246-189-168.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 20:10:16 <bayo_O> hello 20:11:14 <bayo_O> iv got problem to use OpenTTD with OpenGFX is anybody can help me? 20:11:56 <Alberth> bayo_O: don't ask to ask, just ask 20:12:36 <Wolf01> http://www.camspace.com/ I wonder if I can use it to play OTTD 20:13:06 <Alberth> welshdragon: there is a speed limit setting for railroad cars in 'advanced settings' 20:13:30 <glx> bayo_O: is your problem the black boxes? 20:14:23 <bayo_O> i install 0.7.0-beta1, copy the OpenGFX_Alpha4.2.tar into /data 20:14:26 <welshdragon> Alberth: i wast thinking of setting by signals 20:14:47 <glx> why not use content downloader instead? 20:14:58 <bayo_O> it said "cannot open the file sample.cat" 20:15:13 <glx> you still need this file from TTD CD 20:15:26 <Yexo> doesn't an empty sample.cat file work too? 20:15:27 <Alberth> welshdragon: we need to have traffic light signals 20:15:30 <glx> opengfx is only about graphics, not sound 20:15:52 <bayo_O> hooo ok :D 20:15:59 <glx> Yexo: yes empty sample.cat works, but then we'll get complains about no sound ;) 20:16:21 <welshdragon> Alberth: yes, those would be good too 20:17:13 <bayo_O> well it work with a dummy file... thanks a lot for your help 20:18:58 <Alberth> welshdragon: we don't have speeding signals 20:20:37 <welshdragon> Alberth: i thought it might be easier than having a separate speed limit sign 20:20:44 <petern> # big time 20:20:46 <welshdragon> although they could be quite easy to draw 20:20:55 <petern> # i'm on my way, i'm making it (big time) 20:21:31 <el_en> what are the black boxes anyway? they make opengfx look like a japanese porn movie. 20:21:47 <petern> they are censorship boxes 20:22:02 <Alberth> welshdragon: we should have ones with a camera that flash when a train goes too fast, so we can bill the player 20:22:38 <welshdragon> Alberth: that's too far 20:22:47 <Alberth> el_en: also known as black holes that the graphic artists didn't fill in yet 20:22:47 <welshdragon> maybe for RV's 20:23:49 <Alberth> welshdragon: we could use Roujin's city traffic light 20:25:21 <welshdragon> Alberth: hmm 20:26:24 *** octernion [~octernion@hermes.mae.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 20:28:19 <glx> el_en: they are just TODO sprites 20:29:06 <glx> better have black boxes than big red questionmarks :) 20:33:23 <Belugas> or big crashes... 20:33:37 <petern> the bulge 20:33:38 <petern> in my 20:33:46 <petern> big big big big big big big big crahes 20:33:51 <Belugas> :) 20:33:54 <petern> CRASHES 20:34:09 <Belugas> ain't PN, It;s PG! 20:34:17 <petern> yeah 20:34:23 <petern> he has a cool first name :D 20:34:48 *** bayo_O [~bayo@mut38-5-82-246-189-168.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: ...bisoir] 20:35:11 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:38:54 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:40:48 <el_en> oh no, Bjarni crashed. 20:41:27 <Belugas> i know quite a few Peter in the music industry.... 20:42:03 <frosch123> does Moby count as a belugas? 20:42:39 <Rubidium> year, with a bit of royal plural it does ;) 20:42:42 <Belugas> not at all you young man! 20:43:15 <Belugas> in french, it's a cachalot 20:43:17 <Belugas> albinos 20:43:22 <Belugas> not a beluga 20:43:39 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:43:59 <Belugas> ah... yes... a sperm whale 20:44:03 <el_en> Airbus Beluga is a cool plane. 20:45:58 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fddf6.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:38 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3484b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:53:45 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3484b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:57:14 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-18-119.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:58:03 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:00:38 *** Eoin [Eoin@92-233-181-117.cable.ubr08.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 21:00:48 <planetmaker> he, yeah. 21:00:59 <planetmaker> Quite impressive, if you've been standing in one. 21:01:36 <el_en> I've seen one irl, twice. 21:01:59 <el_en> Over here, in Turku, Finland. 21:02:27 <svip> Why does everyone live in Turku?! 21:03:58 <el_en> Not everyone on this channel. 21:04:33 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D7B1.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:05:35 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:05:58 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 21:07:00 *** Brantwan [Brandon@hlfxns0145w-142167139206.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has joined #openttd 21:07:48 *** Jolteon [~jolteon@5acb31bd.bb.sky.com] has left #openttd [] 21:08:06 *** Brantwan [Brandon@hlfxns0145w-142167139206.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has quit [] 21:08:27 *** Brantwan [Brandon@hlfxns0145w-142167139206.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has joined #openttd 21:11:23 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:16:16 <KingJ> My network card (bge0) is listed in Assign Interfaces, but if I do a ifconfig it only shows fwip0 and lo0 21:16:58 <KingJ> Of course i'm talking in completely the wrong channel, sorry 21:17:54 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:18:33 *** Brantwan [Brandon@hlfxns0145w-142167139206.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 21:26:21 <Belugas> i've seen quite a few belugas, this summer. As well as some megapteres. But never sperm whales. they do not come deep enough 21:26:23 <Belugas> too bad 21:27:04 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3484b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:27:42 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3484b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:30:52 <Wolf01> about that topic with the strange language: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=41908 there are other translation suggestions? 21:31:39 <Wolf01> I think that "dog I icecream have want Obama, button example, what" could be more understandable 21:32:20 <Rubidium> translate it back into hungarian and then to your language; might give a better translation 21:32:42 <Sacro> my god... 21:32:53 <Sacro> limitation disturbs me very sprites :( 21:33:58 <Wolf01> I once tried to translate a text 5 or 6 times from italian to english and back to italian... the meaning of the resulting sentence had nothing to do with the starting sentence 21:35:29 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:37:46 <NightKhaos> Hey everybody 21:39:45 <Wolf01> google translator speaks like Yoda 21:39:52 <Wolf01> hey NightKhaos 21:41:32 <Rubidium> Wolf01: do it correctly if you do it; like Yoda Google translator speaks 21:41:45 <Wolf01> ahaha 21:42:48 <Wolf01> AH! got it! Rubidium you are a genius 21:43:36 <Rubidium> yes, a genius I am 21:43:48 *** Eoin [Eoin@92-233-181-117.cable.ubr08.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:44:09 <Wolf01> "The content should be "similar to a window, press 1" to designate designate "button, or by all (for example: He is the description for each)." 21:44:35 <Wolf01> english->hungarian->italian->english eheh :D 21:45:14 <Wolf01> it still doesn't mean anything, but at least it's readable :P 21:54:58 <dihedral> ;-) 21:56:55 <Eddi|zuHause> if you want that they build it for you, press 1 22:00:18 *** ArmEagle [~armeagle@cc193001-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:27 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9CA0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:05:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-77-67.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:08:13 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226192195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:08:13 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226192195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:08:13 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 22:11:23 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:54 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:44 <NightKhaos> I wish there was a copy and paste function... or have I missed it? 22:12:56 <Rubidium> yes 22:13:28 <NightKhaos> erm which one? 22:13:36 <Wolf01> A or B, yes 22:13:41 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=766005#p766005 22:13:42 <dihedral> :-) 22:13:47 <dihedral> hihi 22:14:27 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:14:29 <Rubidium> the former isn't a question 22:15:02 <NightKhaos> ... okay, is there a missing copy or paste function? 22:15:29 <Eddi|zuHause> if there was, it wouldn't be missing 22:18:18 <smallfly> dihedral, SirkoZ seemed to have some good arguments. why do you prefer excluding the copy&paste function? 22:18:19 <NightKhaos> ahh it's in miniN... 22:19:16 <Yexo> NightKhaos: MiniIN is ancient 22:20:42 <NightKhaos> "apparently" it's in MiniN. 22:20:56 <Wolf01> 'notte 22:21:39 <Rubidium> it's kinda in the forum too 22:21:46 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g228072143.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:22:07 <Wolf01> ok, you understood... I greet the italian channels in english and the english channels in italian... I'm really tired 22:22:17 <Wolf01> 'night 22:22:23 <Rubidium> night 22:22:24 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:25:14 *** octernion [~octernion@hermes.mae.cornell.edu] has quit [Quit: woop woop] 22:25:55 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:28:54 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:22 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226192195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:22 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 22:37:16 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1A80.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 22:41:01 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:41:31 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:49:18 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:50:07 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765953#p765953 <- LOL 22:50:21 <dihedral> just darn right great! 22:51:09 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:14 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-61.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 22:54:36 <Elukka> what? 22:58:37 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:01:36 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:49 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:52 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:31 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:10:35 <el_en> did they (the germans) dub the korean and/or french in Lost? 23:10:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15525 /trunk/src/saveload/ai_sl.cpp: -Fix: Don't try to find the AIs the server runs when joining a mp server. 23:13:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15526 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_order.cpp ai_order.hpp ai_order.hpp.sq): -Add [NoAI]: Support for conditional orders. 23:16:14 <el_en> haben die deutschen die koreanisch oder französisch im Lost gedubben? 23:22:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15527 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_order.cpp: -Fix (r15526): A ')' too much. 23:22:58 <Eddi|zuHause> el_en: no 23:23:08 <Eddi|zuHause> they subtitled it 23:24:01 <Eddi|zuHause> also, "dubben" is a weak verb, so it is "gedubbt" ;) 23:24:31 *** hipahyl [~hipahyl@193.43.249.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:25:06 <Eddi|zuHause> (there are more oddities in that sentence) 23:25:10 *** hipahyl [~hipahyl@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 23:25:43 <el_en> ah, they're not completely out of their minds then, despite Heroes. 23:26:30 <glx> here they subtitled japanese in Heroes 23:26:53 <glx> same goes for korean in Lost 23:27:05 <Eddi|zuHause> let's not think about heroes... 23:27:17 <Eddi|zuHause> we bury that far far away in our minds 23:27:22 <el_en> glx: what about the french in lost? (season 5 episode 4, 5) 23:27:38 <glx> hmm I will see this summer :) 23:28:08 <Eddi|zuHause> there were french parts before... 23:28:31 <Eddi|zuHause> like the broadcast message 23:28:44 <el_en> oh yes 23:29:11 <Eddi|zuHause> and when Rousseau first appeared 23:29:15 <glx> oh the message was in german IIRC :) 23:29:55 <el_en> what's "the french chick" in french? :) 23:30:44 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: if the message was german, and the message was from Rousseau, what was Rousseau speaking then? 23:31:21 <el_en> "the french chick" is how hugo called rousseau. 23:32:57 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:33:09 <glx> she's german 23:33:23 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:33:24 <el_en> is she even Rousseau? 23:33:30 <glx> yes 23:33:33 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i presume that's close enough ;) 23:36:55 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:37:12 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 23:37:19 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone else getting timeouts on the forum? 23:37:57 <Nite_Owl> I just left it - no problems here 23:38:10 <dihedral> can someone create a forum for Alain ;-) 23:38:57 <dihedral> or do you think a thread is enough :-P 23:39:03 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:39:25 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:41:50 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-61.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 23:41:52 <Rubidium> dihedral: IGNORE HIM AND DO NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT HIM HERE EVERY SINGLE FRACKING DAY 23:41:54 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:42:18 <Rubidium> because constantly complaining about him is equally annoying 23:42:24 <Eddi|zuHause> well... someone decided to encourage him... that's what's the outcome of this is 23:42:34 <dihedral> sorry ;-) 23:42:49 <Nite_Owl> Let him play out his patch pack fantasy and like all of the others it will die a slow, agonizing death due to upkeep problems 23:43:21 <Eddi|zuHause> the miniin did not die slowly 23:43:36 <Eddi|zuHause> it was a definite and controlled end 23:44:55 <Rubidium> well... 23:44:58 <Nite_Owl> that is true - I revise the above to read "like a majority of the others" 23:45:04 <dihedral> you did have a few more poeple working on it 23:45:16 <dihedral> and they did have a bit more understanding of what they were doing 23:45:19 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:45:34 <Rubidium> MiniIN was dead quite long before the real end 23:45:44 <planetmaker> [00:42] <Eddi|zuHause> well... someone decided to encourage him... that's what's the outcome of this is <--- he, sorry 23:45:49 <Rubidium> it was just 'backporting' 0.6 bugfixes 23:46:45 <dihedral> i've followed SmatZ' advice ;-) 23:46:51 <glx> and the "author" of miniin often ask us to do his job ;) 23:47:02 <dihedral> really? 23:47:03 <dihedral> ouch 23:47:26 <glx> he was usually unable to do a sync correctly 23:47:31 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i remember back when i ported the bridge patch, it was not accepted because "the end" was already decided 23:48:09 <glx> even worse when we introduced the new window system 23:48:42 <Rubidium> new window system during miniin? 23:49:13 <glx> there was big feature during miniin but maybe it was not this one 23:49:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i though "new window system" was a C++ thing 23:49:30 <Rubidium> oh, maybe the widget accessor functions 23:49:55 <Eddi|zuHause> the whole "made a class of the XYZ window" stuff 23:49:55 <glx> and c++ move definitely killed it 23:50:18 <glx> ha right it was widget accessors 23:51:08 <glx> btw miniin was just unmaintainable 23:51:20 <dihedral> too fat 23:51:38 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the "mini" part was a misnomer, really ;) 23:51:38 <glx> worse patch in it was infrastructure sharing 23:51:52 <glx> conflicts everywhere when syncing 23:51:58 <dihedral> hehe 23:52:28 <planetmaker> he... 23:52:42 <planetmaker> that feature is indeed a bitch when it comes to syncing 23:53:09 <Eddi|zuHause> you shoul commit it to trunk already ;) 23:53:21 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: in the current form?! 23:53:24 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 23:53:29 <glx> no way :) 23:53:38 <dihedral> that'd be pretty bold.... and ... well... stupid :-P 23:54:10 <el_en> infrastructure sharing should be in trunk to avoid unnecessary patching and conflicts. 23:54:30 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, perhaps it's less work to commit truck to the IS patch :-D 23:54:35 <Eddi|zuHause> buut!!! it is so community wanted patch!!! 23:54:37 <planetmaker> el_en: did you read the patch's source code?! 23:54:54 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, hehe 23:54:55 <Eddi|zuHause> and it is "well tested" :p 23:55:03 <glx> even in MP ;) 23:55:05 <el_en> planetmaker: nope, and i don't mean that particular patch would be the one, but i mean infrastructure sharing as a concept. 23:55:10 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: it IS well tested. 23:55:14 <dihedral> did SirkoZ write it? 23:55:17 <dihedral> :-P 23:55:22 <planetmaker> But... test results are not always what you hope for :P 23:56:47 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:58:10 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:58:31 <planetmaker> el_en: it's an intriguing feature, for sure :) 23:58:45 <planetmaker> as is cargodest :P