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| echo "good morning"; | ....... 08:42:31 <welshdragon> hehe 08:48:20 <lstor> welshdragon: 'morgen' spells with an upper-case M, otherwise correct 08:48:35 <welshdragon> thank you 08:48:40 <lstor> welshdragon: And if you add "God morgen", you have Norwegian/Danish as well ;) 08:48:53 <welshdragon> ooh :D 08:50:19 <lstor> dihedral: putStrLn "good morning" | cout << "good morning"; | print "good morning"; | <complex perl regex formatted as a sun rising over the horizon> | ... 09:03:24 <petern> hah, 4 sprites in my 32bpp pack now ;p 09:04:35 <dihedral> \o/ 09:04:36 <planetmaker> wooah :) 09:04:49 <petern> hmm, actually 5 but i forgot to push the last one to the repo :( 09:05:06 <dihedral> ops 09:05:27 <petern> ne'er mind, plenty of others to work on 09:16:36 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:23:47 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:34:37 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80475.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:34:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:38:34 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 09:44:40 <petern> hmm 09:44:59 <petern> is it me or is it possible to use stations as multipoint waypoints these days, with go via orders? 09:45:30 <Rubidium> it is you ;) 09:45:39 <petern> oh 09:45:41 <petern> ok 09:45:44 <Rubidium> it's been possible for very long ;) 09:45:57 <petern> i never used waypoints either ;p 09:46:10 <Rubidium> as long as you had the 'right' non-stop setting 09:46:29 <petern> but we could remove the bit that ignores waypoint class stations for building stations... 09:46:36 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:49:55 <Rubidium> in 0.2.0 ttdp nonstop, i.e. via, was introduced as an option 09:50:05 <Rubidium> so since 0.2.0 you could use stations as waypoints 09:50:43 <petern> yes 09:50:46 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:50:54 <petern> but ttdp nonstop was shit 09:51:02 <petern> because it broke the meaning of non-stop 09:53:37 <Rubidium> true 09:53:51 <planetmaker> long ago... what did it mean or imply? 09:54:46 <Rubidium> planetmaker: your context parser is broken, please attend to it 09:55:08 <planetmaker> uhm... no? 09:55:27 <planetmaker> but maybe my ability to properly express myself :) 09:56:18 <planetmaker> I was asking whether one could refresh my memory what were the results, if "ttdp-compatible non-stop behaviour" was activated. 09:56:34 <Rubidium> 10:49 <@Rubidium> in 0.2.0 ttdp nonstop, i.e. via, was introduced as an option 09:57:29 <planetmaker> hm... :) You're right. Context parser was broken :P 09:57:38 <planetmaker> ty 09:59:35 * planetmaker slurps more tea 10:02:28 <racetrack> hmm tea, good idea 10:05:33 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:07:16 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:27:38 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:36:39 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226197210.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:38:59 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:40:48 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:42:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15680 /trunk/src/autoreplace_cmd.cpp: -Cleanup: remove redundant comment 10:52:07 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc304-14.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:54:17 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:58:45 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:58:45 <dihedral> redundant comments? :-P 11:01:10 <blathijs> Aren't comments redundant by definition? "The code says it all!" 11:01:33 <SmatZ> there wasn't "wagon_removal" parameter 11:01:34 <SmatZ> hehe 11:04:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15681 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Cleanup: remove unneeded forward declaration. 11:05:45 <SmatZ> Aren't forward declarations redundant by definition? "C doesn't need function declarations" (ok, that wasn't that funny :-p 11:06:48 <Rubidium> blathijs: comments aren't always redundant 11:07:15 <Rubidium> blathijs: e.g. http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/ini.cpp#L157 11:07:18 <blathijs> Rubidium: yeah, you're right :-) 11:07:38 <Rubidium> the code doesn't tell us that Windows is stupid 11:07:44 <[wito]> SmatZ: actually, forward declarations are more like "predundant" 11:08:11 <Rubidium> blathijs: nor that OSX is stupid: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/os/macosx/macos.h#L86 11:08:27 <Rubidium> and there's probably some place where Linux is stupid too 11:08:55 <blathijs> hehe 11:10:36 <[wito]> Well, when you're programming simultaneously for 3 major versions of an operating system, there's gonna be some wiggles. :P 11:11:03 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:11:15 <[wito]> anyway 11:11:35 <[wito]> nice work on the newGRF apply bug 11:13:36 <Rubidium> the 'issues' I've just linked shouldn't be classified as wiggles 11:14:08 <racetrack> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiggles 11:16:22 <dihedral> ^^ 11:17:07 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37C65F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:17:10 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:26 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:28:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15682 /trunk/src/ini.cpp: -Codechange: some coding style 11:34:22 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:36:25 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:36:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15683 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r15670): Removing town-owned bridges was no longer possible. 11:43:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15684 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_event.hpp ai_order.cpp ai_order.hpp ai_order.hpp.sq): -Add [NoAI]: AIOrder::SkipToOrder(). 11:47:35 *** sexten [~sexten@122.84-48-160.nextgentel.com] has quit [] 11:57:16 *** Condac- [~condac@s83-191-224-165.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 11:57:16 *** Burns [~condac@s83-191-224-165.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:36 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:29 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:11:51 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:12:00 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.192] has joined #openttd 12:26:16 <|Japa|> behold, roads shamelessley ripped from Simutrans: http://pix.sparky-s.ie/images/y73k9ngvt89dbbl77277.png 12:27:04 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:30:28 *** Pikita [~sam@84.13.24.100] has joined #openttd 12:33:53 <petern> :o 12:34:19 <petern> behold, http://fuzzle.org/~petern/hg.cgi/comic32.hg/ 12:34:30 <petern> which, incidentally, has the non-town roads 12:36:47 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:36:51 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:37:04 <|Japa|> that site confuses me 12:37:20 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:37:33 <petern> ... 12:37:42 <petern> it's an hg repo, obviously 12:38:10 <|Japa|> yes, I can see that 12:38:20 <|Japa|> <-- noob 12:41:44 <|Japa|> difference is, I'm doing it in 8bpp 12:42:36 <petern> pah 12:42:38 <petern> much harder 12:42:42 <|Japa|> true 12:42:44 <petern> you have to mess around with grf files 12:42:46 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:42:46 *** Combuster is now known as [com]buster 12:42:56 <|Japa|> also true 12:44:10 <Ammler> you need to code the 32bpp sprites too ;-) 12:44:29 <petern> yers 12:45:19 <Ammler> does the "original" version also have comic trains? 12:45:38 <Ammler> (never saw them on screens) 12:45:50 <petern> are you implying i'm copying?!?!?!?! 12:46:30 <Ammler> :-o 12:46:44 <petern> http://www.simutrans-forum.de/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7699 12:46:44 <Rubidium> mentally copying at least ;) 12:46:46 <petern> there's one 12:46:50 <petern> unless that's a tram 12:46:51 <Rubidium> the idea isn't original ;) 12:47:11 <|Japa|> I'm freely admitting that I'm blatantly ripping off the pak64comic set 12:47:46 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:47:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:48:44 <Ammler> |Japa|: when I read the thread there once, you wouldn't be allowed to, did you ask? 12:49:10 <petern> you must've misread 12:49:29 <Ammler> at least something like "not opensource" 12:49:39 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:16 <petern> that's only a problem if you copy it 12:51:38 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:51:49 <Ammler> well, I guess, they would share it anyway, if you ask... 12:51:52 *** Pikita [~sam@84.13.24.100] has left #openttd [] 12:53:08 <|Japa|> I'm pretty sr they're just saying that it can't be directly converted 12:53:29 <|Japa|> I didn't see anything about us doing a set that looks eerilly similar 12:54:25 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-167-190.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:54:41 <Ammler> the comic style would be awesome, it just needs to replace everything. :-) 12:54:53 <petern> gotta start somewhere 12:55:10 <petern> anyway, my stuff is in hg so that others can add their own stuff 12:55:53 <dihedral> i would help if i knew how ^^ 12:55:55 <Ammler> indeed 12:56:00 <petern> dihedral: draw 12:56:03 <|Japa|> I guess I can upload my 8 bit stuff 12:56:19 <|Japa|> grf to html gives nice pings 12:56:50 <dihedral> petern, correct sizes would be helpful to know ;-) 12:57:16 <petern> the correct size is "whatever looks right" 12:57:17 <Ammler> big 12:57:18 <|Japa|> I'm doing origional sizes, naturally 12:57:20 <petern> there's a blank tile template 12:58:07 <|Japa|> actually, I just draw over the origional sprites 12:58:20 <Ammler> reminds me of the lego replacement... 12:58:39 <dihedral> yes - that is awesome 12:58:43 <dihedral> just.... stalled 12:59:11 <petern> "original" 12:59:40 <petern> i decoded opengfx to see what sprite is what 12:59:48 <|Japa|> "spaelerating" 13:00:19 <dihedral> in all honesty, i dont find all opengfx things that pretty 13:00:49 <dihedral> e.g. some vehicles look smaller / thinner when they are displayed in a certain angle 13:00:52 <|Japa|> decoding opengfx results in pre-coded NFOs 13:00:54 <Ammler> you need time to go familiar with the colors 13:00:56 <dihedral> or monorail just looks really wide 13:01:21 <petern> |Japa|, yes, but i'm not interested in making 8bpp sprites 13:01:41 <|Japa|> and I am 13:02:05 <|Japa|> mainly since my CPU can't handle the big zooms on 32bbp 13:02:08 <dihedral> petern, dont the grf's also inlcude data like max speed of vehicle? 13:02:18 <petern> no 13:02:24 <dihedral> how do you do that with 32bpp sprites. as they are sprites and sprites only 13:02:26 <dihedral> oh 13:02:33 <dihedral> ok 13:02:33 <Ammler> |Japa|: zoom isn't in trunk anyway... 13:02:53 <petern> you've always been able to zoom... 13:03:13 <Ammler> (I assumed, he meant the additional levels) 13:04:57 <|Japa|> no, I mean the other direction max zoom 13:05:07 <|Japa|> seeing loads of shit at once 13:06:53 <|Japa|> anyhoo, petern, I feel that I must warn you that I will most likeley butcher your sprites by making them 8bpp 13:07:17 <petern> feel free 13:07:26 <petern> i don't have to use them :) 13:07:59 <|Japa|> they look far better than my first attemopt at sprites ever 13:08:35 <|Japa|> http://pix.sparky-s.ie/images/d8e5fc78fzwfuw1043j0.png 13:09:38 <FauxFaux> Mmm, I like that, very tron. 13:09:59 <FauxFaux> /defcon / any other number of replications. 13:11:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.196.194] has joined #openttd 13:12:15 <petern> heh 13:12:21 <petern> could work 13:12:24 <petern> toyland replacement :) 13:12:35 <petern> do the whole thing in that kind of style and it would work 13:13:12 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:13:23 <racetrack> awesome, my drive-through depots are working 13:13:29 <|Japa|> cool 13:13:31 <racetrack> this code has broken my mind for four days 13:13:32 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.13.227] has joined #openttd 13:13:58 <|Japa|> racetrack, can they be varying lenghts too? 13:14:36 <racetrack> the depots? not in scope for this patch 13:15:31 <Belugas> [09:06] <|Japa|> seeing loads of shit at once <--- easy to remove: just flush the toilet 13:16:25 <Forked> if it's loads .. you might have to doubleflush 13:16:28 <|Japa|> he he 13:16:36 <Forked> and then there are the floaters.. little bastards never going down 13:16:52 <petern> hahahahahah 13:16:54 <petern> hahahahaha 13:17:03 <petern> most of the office has gone out for lunch 13:17:10 <petern> just me and the boss left 13:17:16 <petern> so he's just gone to get us a pizza :D 13:17:28 <Forked> what you want are the dolphins.. they are just perfectly hydrodynamically formed and will flush themself. 13:17:32 <Forked> petern: sweet 13:17:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.203.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:18:23 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:22:35 * petern ponders making more sprites during lunch 13:23:19 * |Japa| decides to not use petern's sprites 13:23:41 <Rubidium> petern: stop wasting time pondering and just do it! :D 13:24:08 <Rubidium> or finish one of those other projects of you, e.g. engine pool 13:24:50 <|Japa|> I'at an advantage here 13:25:07 <|Japa|> nobody expec anything from me, so I won't be letting anybody down 13:25:41 <Rubidium> actually... by talking about it here people WILL be expecting something from you 13:26:21 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 13:26:43 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has joined #openttd 13:26:43 <Forked> I expect to get what I pay for... anything more than that is a bonus :p 13:29:00 <|Japa|> Rubidium, dammit! foiled! 13:29:57 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:30:26 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:30:37 <petern> what needs doing to the engine pool? 13:30:46 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has quit [] 13:30:57 <petern> apart from the newgrf id varaction check, heh 13:31:09 <petern> (but anyone could do that ;)) 13:31:14 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has joined #openttd 13:34:27 <Rubidium> petern: ask the people that keep telling it's flawed 13:36:16 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.99.192] has joined #openttd 13:38:31 <Belugas> the people? like... two individuals? 13:39:32 <petern> heh 13:41:54 <Belugas> [09:26] <|Japa|> nobody expec anything from me, so I won't be letting anybody down <--- "i've done it-i'm working on it" is far more welcome that "i'll do it" 13:41:54 <Celestar> oh my god. 13:42:00 <Belugas> that's the whole deal 13:42:03 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:42:09 <Belugas> Celestar, call me Belugas... 13:42:14 <Belugas> or JF, even 13:42:59 <Celestar> colleage decides to need more RAM. colleage buys ram without asking me first. colleage buys wrong RAM (FBDIMMS cuz 'it's the most expensive'). colleage uses hammer to insert module into DIMM slot. colleage breaks mainboard in two. 13:43:44 <lolman> Celestar, colleague is full of fail? :P 13:44:24 <SpComb> Celestar: get yourself a better collegue 13:44:35 <Belugas> reminds me the frst time i saw a 3.5 floppy. i forced it the wrong side on the computer. broke the disk driver of course... walked innocently out of the lab.. 13:44:56 <Belugas> driver->drive 13:45:06 <SpComb> (and that's three different spellings of 'colleague') 13:46:30 <Celestar> heh. I always forget the u 13:48:28 <Celestar> I mean the people are graduated engineers. And if something doesn't fit, they don't come up with the idea to check whether they're doing the right thing; now, they grab a sledgehammer. 13:49:26 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:49:54 <petern> wait 13:49:58 <petern> literally a hammer? 13:50:06 <Celestar> apparently O_o 13:50:08 <petern> bwahhaa 13:50:09 <Celestar> "but a small one" 13:50:51 <Celestar> at least, there are CRACKS in the mainboard 13:55:48 <Belugas> and they smoked it? 13:55:49 <Belugas> ;) 13:56:50 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:35 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:02:16 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:05:19 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.99.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:05:55 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.99.192] has joined #openttd 14:11:16 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-160-63-111.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:21:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15685 /trunk/src/ (heightmap.cpp heightmap.h landscape.cpp): -Fix [FS#2720]: do not crash when someone substitutes the "map generation" sprites with garbage. 14:22:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15686 /trunk/src/ini.cpp: -Codechange: make it a bit harder for crashes to trash your config file. 14:22:32 <petern> :D 14:22:44 <petern> commit machine 14:23:17 <racetrack> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyndHZ6Bqtk 14:23:22 <racetrack> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/User:Racetrack/Drive-through_depots 14:23:30 <racetrack> wip stuff for the interested 14:23:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15687 /trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2723]: wrong/misleading error message when autorail builds nothing when trying to build over signals in the wrong way. 14:24:08 <[wito]> Rubidium: did you fix the Chi while you were in there? :P 14:24:48 <petern> that's your job 14:24:56 <petern> we're waiting for the new map generator 14:25:04 <Rubidium> what's whom's job? 14:25:14 <petern> heh 14:26:05 <[wito]> is there some sort of interface between the map generator and the rest of the program, or is it just a function that's called? 14:26:14 * Yexo has a nearly-working patch that makes is possible to use a squirrel script as map generator 14:26:31 <[wito]> (e.g. a MapGenerator class to subclass, with callbacks to get configuration options etc. 14:26:37 <petern> not yet 14:27:14 <Yexo> [wito]: it's just a function that gets called, or (in the case of the origianl map generator), some inline code 14:27:20 <NukeBuster> Whats wrong with the current mapgenerator? 14:27:42 <[wito]> NukeBuster: bad Chi 14:28:36 <Belugas> God Bless You 14:29:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15688 /trunk/src/genworld.cpp: -Codechange: unifiy cleaning up the map generation (normal and abort) 14:29:34 <[wito]> once there's a decent interface for it, I'll write a map generator 14:29:49 <Yexo> [wito]: I'll hold you to that promise :p 14:30:25 <[wito]> (DISCLAIMER: Any definiton of "decent" is held at the total description of the party designated "[wito]".) 14:30:39 <[wito]> s/description/discression/ 14:30:53 <Belugas> right... 14:31:07 <Belugas> including a big button "read my mind and do it" 14:32:00 <[wito]> Belugas: exactly that kind of map generator, in fact 14:32:13 <Belugas> prrrrrrt 14:32:16 <Belugas> big mouth 14:33:04 <planetmaker> Yexo: I'm sure that the Kurt's hard goal ressurection people will be interested in it :) 14:33:31 <Belugas> ho.. you mean the KHGR ? 14:33:33 <Yexo> planetmaker: I doubt it (why do they need a special map geneator?) 14:34:02 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.192] has joined #openttd 14:34:04 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] 14:34:07 <planetmaker> Yexo: not exactly that. But to build on the then obviously extended squirrel API to openttd :) 14:34:32 <planetmaker> Belugas: whatever acronyms they fancy currently :P 14:34:32 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:34:35 <Yexo> half my code is copy-paste from the noai code (still needs to unify some of that) 14:34:52 <Yexo> but that doesn't really help to create other squirrel scripts 14:35:14 <planetmaker> despite, they'll know what to copy&paste :) 14:35:18 <Yexo> dihedral worked on a squirrel console, that is the thing that would be useful for them 14:35:39 <planetmaker> but last time I spoke with one of them, Yorick is planning a python interface :D harhar 14:35:43 <Rubidium> planetmaker: like STFUIDCATT? 14:36:54 <Rubidium> or DYKT[HAPOMIL? 14:37:23 <planetmaker> or like tihS 14:37:27 <Belugas> yorick works with them? buwhahahahah!!!! 14:37:42 <Belugas> long life to them ! 14:37:58 <planetmaker> I told them :) They still think, they're in control :D 14:38:00 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:38:07 <Rubidium> live long and get annoyed ;) 14:38:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E85C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:39:13 <planetmaker> hehe :) 14:39:15 <Noldo> who's they? 14:39:43 <planetmaker> have alook at the website... I only recall energetic(?) 14:40:18 <planetmaker> search for KHG, OHG and the above mentioned buzz phrases 14:40:58 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.99.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:58 *** |Japa| is now known as JapaMala 14:41:04 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37C65F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 14:41:15 <planetmaker> They seem to start too ambitious IMO. 14:41:50 <planetmaker> They plan the "eierlegende Wollmilchsau"; but in order to keep that server alife, they'd need something working soon... 14:42:22 <petern> what's their problem? was it all based on 0.6? 14:42:37 <planetmaker> yep 14:42:53 <planetmaker> and Kurt doesn't hand over his stuff and discontinues it with the publishing of 0.7 14:42:58 <petern> and it must be really horrible code because kurt doesn't want to release it 14:43:16 <planetmaker> s/eierlegende Wollmilchsau/jack of all trades device/ 14:45:10 <Belugas> if yorick is on the team, you can bet safely on that 14:45:34 <planetmaker> yep 14:48:09 <petern> ssshhh, you'll summon him 14:50:07 <planetmaker> don't you have an ignore anyway? ;) 14:50:27 <Belugas> yes, and we even have The Power Of Kick 14:50:29 <Belugas> yes, and we even have The Power Of Ban 14:50:45 <planetmaker> yes we can! 14:50:53 <planetmaker> :P 14:51:09 <planetmaker> stupid phrase stealing... ;) 14:56:43 * Belugas hopes his "subtil" last post in comik96 thread might be more fruitfull than previous ones... 15:00:24 <JapaMala> hey, I'm doing my best 15:00:45 <Belugas> mmh? 15:01:05 <JapaMala> spriting 15:01:16 <petern> # you rmind me of the babe 15:01:25 <petern> # (what babe?) the babe with the power 15:01:31 <petern> # (what power?) the power of voodoo 15:01:35 <petern> # (who do?) you do 15:01:43 <petern> # (do what?) remind me of the babe 15:02:34 <[wito]> Hu's next? 15:02:51 <JapaMala> what's on first 15:03:00 <[wito]> What? 15:03:26 <Rubidium> the font 15:03:32 <JapaMala> actually, who's on first 15:03:36 <Belugas> the egg of the chicken? 15:03:36 <Rubidium> I vote for "Comic Sans MS" ;) 15:03:40 <JapaMala> what's on second 15:03:56 <JapaMala> idunno's on third 15:03:59 <Rubidium> the living room 15:04:06 <Belugas> Third Rock From the Sun 15:04:15 <Belugas> The sun is too Loud, actually 15:04:41 <Belugas> ***smells*** 15:05:08 <JapaMala> Belugas, http://pix.sparky-s.ie/images/y73k9ngvt89dbbl77277.png 15:05:36 <Belugas> Thief! 15:05:41 <petern> :D 15:07:42 <JapaMala> he he 15:08:12 * petern ponders a makefile 15:08:27 <petern> to convert 32bpp sprites to 8bpp and build the NFO 15:08:42 <petern> then have a joint 32/8bpp project 15:12:00 <Belugas> nice idea 15:13:25 <Rubidium> good luck with the conversion ;) 15:13:42 <petern> nearest colour 15:13:45 <petern> won't look ideal 15:13:58 <Rubidium> dithering! 15:14:05 <petern> possible :p 15:14:40 <JapaMala> nearest color looks better than dithering, imho 15:14:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15689 /trunk/src/ (genworld.cpp lang/english.txt town_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#2720]: do not crash when the generate map doesn't contain a suitable location for a town. 15:14:48 <JapaMala> then manual color replacement 15:15:18 <Rubidium> or introduce goodgerbits 15:16:18 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet759.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:18:27 <JapaMala> http://pix.sparky-s.ie/images/l5ut19ts74ns57tm2zqt.png 15:19:01 <petern> heee 15:20:28 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:26:28 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.99.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:32:03 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 15:34:00 * Belugas jumps of joy! 15:34:07 <Belugas> We're No Here! 15:34:09 <petern> :D 15:37:48 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.85.25.80] has joined #openttd 15:40:49 <taisteluorava> hm, is there a easy way to increase load interest rate higher than 4% which is maximium in difficult settings 15:41:13 <Yexo> change the code and recompile 15:41:17 <Yexo> should be an easy change 15:41:40 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.192] has joined #openttd 15:41:47 <Belugas> not so easy, Yexo 15:42:00 <Belugas> it seems it can not go higher than 4 % 15:42:10 <Belugas> from what i remember that tron told me 15:42:21 <Belugas> it has to do with integer arithmetics (iirc) 15:42:32 <Yexo> that can be the case 15:43:38 <Noldo> it overflows? 15:44:10 <taisteluorava> so there is no easy way to do that. it will make game way more challenging and interesting :/ 15:44:30 <Yexo> a quick test with 20% did work as expected 15:44:40 <Yexo> not saying there aren't any problems 15:44:42 <Rubidium> inflation doesn't make the game more interesting 15:44:57 <Rubidium> actually... higher inflation makes it easier to earn gazillions 15:45:20 <Noldo> taisteluorava: there is a grf that makes building more expencive 15:45:42 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@f054020224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:45:52 <Rubidium> what will make the game harder is decoupling the income increase from the inflation 15:46:32 <Noldo> is there any gameplay point to inflation anyway? 15:47:06 <Rubidium> income rising with 19% and costs with 20% is much easier than income rising with 0% and costs with 2% 15:47:35 <Rubidium> Noldo: yes, it makes the relative distance between income and costs higher 15:47:44 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80475.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:47:49 <Noldo> ahaa 15:48:52 <Yexo> Rubidium: the question was about loan interest, not inflation 15:48:55 <Rubidium> the 'fun' thing is that with 4% inflation the prices grow by 3%; with 2% inflation the prices grow 1%. Relatively 1.04/1.03 < 1.02/1.01 so with lower inflation the game gets harder 15:49:02 <Yexo> you're right thought that higher inflation doesn't help that much 15:49:11 <Rubidium> Yexo: those are all related 15:49:27 <Yexo> hmm, forgot that point :) 15:49:30 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B841AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:49:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:50:00 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm131.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:50:32 <Rubidium> even so, high interest ONLY makes the begin harder. Once you've got enough money it doesn't get harder at all 15:51:24 *** sailo [~simon@hyundai.csn.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52:08 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.192] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 15:55:54 <Belugas> [11:45] <taisteluorava> so there is no easy way to do that. it will make game way more challenging and interesting :/ <--- that, i truely doubt. On what logic do you base your assertion? please... not the realistic one... 15:58:51 <taisteluorava> becose when you can earn some cash, first think is start to pay loan back, not to take more loan becose its so "cheap" 15:59:00 <taisteluorava> it will be realistic 15:59:26 <Rubidium> there's an easy way to make a game more challenging: make a 128x128 map that transports at least 1 000 000 cargo a year 15:59:30 <taisteluorava> "because 16:00:16 <[wito]> average station rating as a 100 point entry on the performance rating? :P 16:00:29 <taisteluorava> yeah, play a lot multiplayer in lan. 128x128 map in multiplayer is pretty fun 16:02:25 *** ecke [~ecke@pc149-18.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 16:04:29 <Belugas> [12:00] <taisteluorava> it will be realistic <--- right... FALSE! 16:05:03 <Belugas> right now, since we are in crisis, the loans are getting down to boost economy 16:05:18 <Belugas> since you are starting , you need a boost. 16:05:24 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:05:37 <Belugas> so your logic is flawed by your desire of a more difficult game 16:06:11 <Belugas> basically, you're throwing a rock in the water and see how it would behave 16:07:47 <el_en> viva la réalism! 16:08:14 <Belugas> 3 16:08:21 <Belugas> 2 16:08:26 <Belugas> 1 16:08:34 <Rubidium> lunch! 16:08:44 *** el_en was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [viva le QUICK!] 16:08:48 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:08:53 <Belugas> that too :D 16:09:15 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 16:09:41 <el_en> it was quite realistic to assume someone could consider kicking because of such a comment. 16:10:48 <Belugas> # so don't play with me 'cause you're playing with fire 16:10:56 <Belugas> Mick Jagger is often right :) 16:14:49 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:14:49 *** Combuster is now known as [com]buster 16:15:53 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.192] has joined #openttd 16:17:04 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19:29 *** ecke [~ecke@pc149-18.upce.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:06 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.192] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 16:28:29 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:31:54 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:07 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]] 16:37:13 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:38:52 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 16:39:16 <OsteHovel^EEE> Someone here have any knowledge about compiling Binutils & GCC to crosscompile? 16:39:17 *** const86 [~const@213.178.38.239] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:37 <OsteHovel^EEE> Im trying to build GCC to target = i686-pc-linux-gnu on a Cygwin host... 16:42:41 <Rubidium> TrueBrain does 16:48:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15690 /trunk/src/intro_gui.cpp: -Feature(tte(tte)): CTRL-"New Game" skips the "World generation" window. 16:49:06 <[wito]> nice 16:49:17 <OsteHovel^EEE> Nice... 16:51:16 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet759.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:53:28 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm131.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 16:53:43 <Belugas> YOU LAZY BUNCH! 16:56:59 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@ip565bdd29.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 16:57:11 <Belugas> whoo... prissi enters the ring 16:57:17 <Belugas> interesting 16:57:35 <Belugas> so.. back to work going i now am 16:58:58 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:05:16 <petern> "graphics Georg got for the ECS are from simutrans (albeit he did not scaled them properly, imho)" 17:05:19 <petern> hehehehheh 17:06:32 *** williham [~wito@212251244230.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 17:06:32 *** [wito] [~wito@212251244230.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:06:38 *** williham is now known as wito 17:07:00 *** wito is now known as [wito]_ 17:07:49 <[wito]_> crud 17:07:59 <[wito]_> now I have to wait for my old nick to timeout 17:08:32 <Yexo> just register with nickserv, and when you identify you directly get your old nick back 17:08:58 <[wito]_> Yexo: problem is 17:09:04 <[wito]_> I didn't register any group nicks. :P 17:09:15 <[wito]_> so there is no nick I can use to identify so that I may ghost 17:09:23 <Yexo> [wito]_: use /msg nickserv identify <password> <username> 17:10:42 <Yexo> not that it really matters now anymore, since [wito] already left before you said you had to wait 17:11:22 *** [wito]_ is now known as [wito] 17:11:39 <[wito]> did not know that. :P 17:15:57 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdc9d.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:26:51 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:27:03 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.192] has joined #openttd 17:27:18 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.85.25.80] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31:41 *** williham [~wito@212251244230.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 17:32:42 *** [wito] is now known as Guest771 17:32:42 *** williham is now known as [wito] 17:36:54 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:11 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 17:38:37 *** Guest771 [~wito@212251244230.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:52 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DADE.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:42:27 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-26.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 17:42:48 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-26.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 17:44:54 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng22-2-0-cust533.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:47:31 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:51:51 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:31 <petern> raa 17:59:34 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 17:59:34 <petern> so 18:00:07 <Sacro> faa? 18:00:22 <petern> re 18:01:30 <Belugas> lovely 18:01:37 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:01:50 <Belugas> Zuu, it might be way TMWFTLB 18:01:55 <Belugas> but thanks for answering 18:02:04 <Belugas> hello, by the way :) 18:02:09 <Belugas> manners.. manners... 18:02:11 <Zuu> TMWFTLB? 18:02:19 <Zuu> Ah, 18:02:22 <Belugas> too much work for too little benefit 18:02:34 <Zuu> I realized that but you were faster on the keyboard :) 18:03:27 <Zuu> My idea with the container I think is not that much work actually, compared to trying to make it OOP. 18:04:34 <Zuu> But if you though adding multiple edit boxes would be a quick fix, then you would ineed be disappointed :) 18:04:41 <Belugas> well... honestly, i briefly read it, i printed it out for the bus ride home tonight 18:04:51 <Zuu> Ok 18:04:55 <Belugas> i am a little bit, yes :) 18:05:08 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 18:05:44 <Belugas> but i think it couldbe made relatively simple 18:05:52 <Belugas> dunno how clean that would be, honestly 18:06:32 <Zuu> The main challenge would be to add storage of the editbox string and caret position for each edit box. But once you have sorted that I think it shouldn't be that hard. 18:06:49 *** Nevah [~Neva@77.223.33.112] has joined #openttd 18:06:54 <Nevah> Hi guys 18:07:10 <Zuu> And that can certainly be quick fixed or made in a very clean way. 18:07:41 *** Nevah [~Neva@77.223.33.112] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:42 <Zuu> Depending on how *much* time one want to spend on it. :) 18:07:56 *** Nevah [~Neva@77.223.33.112] has joined #openttd 18:08:06 <Nevah> gahh 18:08:06 <planetmaker> hey Nevah 18:08:11 <Nevah> hey 18:08:15 <Zuu> Hello 18:08:27 <Belugas> agreed Zuu 18:08:54 <Belugas> let say that the feature will use query input box for the time being :) 18:08:56 <Zuu> Cleanest would probably be OOP Widgets, but thats a lot of work if you want to revamp the widgets table also. 18:09:19 <Zuu> Belugas: That is the way fastest way to do it :) 18:09:22 <Nevah> when I start the game I can't build train tracks 18:09:31 <Nevah> or airports 18:09:43 <Zuu> Nevah: At what year are you? 18:09:47 <planetmaker> ^^ 18:09:50 <Belugas> Nevah, it might be because at the time you start, no trains nor airports are abvailable 18:09:56 <Belugas> -b 18:10:14 <Nevah> ok i check out that 18:11:02 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:11:56 <petern> bah, nothing wrong with the widget tables 18:11:59 *** Neva [~Neva@77.223.33.112] has joined #openttd 18:12:10 <Neva> Yeah that was the problem, thanks :D 18:12:44 <Zuu> petern: Didn't say it was bad, or did I? 18:13:19 <Neva> thank you for help, cya 18:13:25 *** Neva [~Neva@77.223.33.112] has quit [] 18:14:13 <petern> i dunno, i wasn't really paying attention :D 18:15:16 <Zuu> I just said that if one wants to make it more OOP, one might want to change that table. But I don't think making the GUI OOP, just for making it OOP is worth the effort. 18:15:33 * Belugas 's opinion is that said data might be better held in the window, but he's not too sure about that 18:15:39 <Zuu> (OOP on widgetlevel that is) 18:16:00 <Belugas> it would only benefit some special corners, like that one 18:16:24 <Belugas> on the other hand, logically... it's a differnt story 18:18:17 *** Nevah [~Neva@77.223.33.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:45 <Belugas> and another happy customer 18:26:03 <Zuu> Ok :) 18:30:16 <Belugas> no kidding.... nrg -> energy 18:30:20 <Belugas> DAMNED!!!! 18:30:32 <Belugas> stupid stupid stupid 18:30:44 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 18:31:01 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [] 18:31:24 <Zuu> Hmm, there is quite a lot interaction with the edit box related variables in QueryString and QueryStringBaseWindow class. 18:31:43 *** George3 is now known as George 18:31:56 <Rubidium> Zuu: some OOPifying of the widgets is needed to nicely support RTL (see FS#1905) 18:33:14 <Zuu> RTL = right typing language? 18:33:26 <Zuu> typed* 18:33:29 <glx> right to left 18:35:18 <Zuu> Af of course :) 18:35:25 <Zuu> Ah* 18:37:32 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.192] has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 18:37:41 <Belugas> hoo.... there is finally hope... WE NEED A GERMAN SPEAKING GUY!!! http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=40304&start=40 18:37:59 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm131.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: orudge] 18:39:09 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 18:41:53 *** Dr_Jekyll [R4R@p57B0C2D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:42:30 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.192] has joined #openttd 18:42:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15691 /trunk/src/lang/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:42:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-03-12 18:42:18 18:42:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 1 fixed by glx (1) 18:42:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 fixed by alyr (1) 18:42:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: luxembourgish - 258 fixed, 3 changed by Gubius (261) 18:42:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: persian - 146 fixed by ali sattari (146) 18:42:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 1 fixed by Smoky555 (1) 18:44:09 *** Wolle [R4R@p57B0E160.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:49:06 <[wito]> Upgrading an inner city line from 2->4 tracks is a right pain. :P 18:53:19 <Zuu> Which I am sure it is IRL too :) 18:54:56 <[wito]> indeed 18:57:09 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.192] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet] 18:57:30 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:57:32 <el_en> Zuu: shhhhhh. sounds like a reference to realism. 18:58:12 <Zuu> Sorry, I should do my traffic simulation assigment instead of talking about reality in here. :) 18:59:49 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:19 <el_en> does someone speak fluent latin? 19:00:22 <Zuu> Interesting orig_str_buf in QueryStringBaseWindow seams unused. At least visual studio did not find any references to it. And compilation has not failed so fare. 19:01:47 <Zuu> hmm, it was indeed used. 19:03:03 <Rubidium> Windows lesson #42: not being able to find something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means that the searching algorithm is incompetent. 19:03:53 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 19:04:38 <Zuu> Actually it is not used, failure to compile was due to some other edits I made. 19:04:45 <Belugas> Windows Lesson #130: close it when it rains 19:04:56 <Zuu> hehe 19:05:42 <Rubidium> Belugas: 130? Isn't that like lesson #3? 19:05:46 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [] 19:05:56 <Rubidium> lesson 1: walking through a closed window hurts 19:06:16 <Rubidium> lesson 2: if it's cold outside and inside, close the window you dimwit 19:06:22 <Belugas> lol 19:08:49 <Forked> hrm. I wish I could make the transparancy settings remember that I always want to see the percentage load on trains when they are loading/unloading. It resets every time I press 'x' 19:09:38 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 19:10:39 <petern> el_en: stephen fry 19:12:17 <Zuu> hmm, I don't really see any reason why we having QueryString and QueryStringBaseWindow clases/structs separated. (where QueryString now is a public base class of QueryStringBaseWindow) 19:13:55 <Zuu> QS is only used as base class for QSBW and used as pointer at one instance. This pointer can easily be promoted to a QSBW-pointer. 19:15:05 <frosch123> Forked: ctrl-click the train icon in transparency options? 19:15:10 <Zuu> But I guess I should take a look on FS#1905 before starting out with anything serious. 19:15:49 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 19:16:31 <db48x> hmm 19:16:42 <db48x> town names aren't choosen using the same random seed as the rest of the map generation 19:17:47 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:17:58 <Rubidium> db48x: what makes you think that? 19:19:32 <petern> you get a different layout 19:19:41 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 19:19:43 <db48x> if they were, then the town names would be the same from run to run on the same seed 19:20:00 <pavel1269> hi 19:20:27 <Yexo> db48x: you've got a good point there 19:20:31 <Rubidium> hmm... I guess someone broke that part ;) 19:20:38 <Yexo> guess that clasifies as bug, since restart doesn't work as it should 19:20:51 * Rubidium blames SmatZ ;) 19:21:01 <Yexo> that was my guess too :) 19:21:34 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-165-64-89.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 19:22:57 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 19:23:05 <Rubidium> but then... the town name doesn't really matter for the layout 19:23:06 <Pikka> oh shi 19:23:10 <Pikka> I see what I did there 19:23:18 <db48x> not very much, no 19:23:29 <Yexo> town_cmd.cpp:1440 uses InteractiveRandom instead of Random 19:23:43 <db48x> also, the seed setting in the config file doesn't seem to work 19:23:48 <Yexo> Guess that was part of the attemt to make it work in-game 19:24:01 <Rubidium> Yexo: yup 19:24:15 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 19:25:23 <Rubidium> I don't see any reason for the seed in the config file 19:25:51 <db48x> it would really make testing easier 19:25:57 <Rubidium> why? 19:26:10 <Yexo> db48x: iirc you can start openttd with -g seed, or something like that 19:26:11 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 19:26:27 <db48x> because I could set the seed to a constant value, and then run the map generation many times on the same seed, with different tweaks to the code 19:26:30 <db48x> hmm 19:26:31 * db48x tries 19:27:03 <Rubidium> actually -G and -g is new game 19:27:03 <db48x> hmm, not -g 19:27:37 <Rubidium> but -G 42 -g starts reliably a game with seed 42 19:27:51 <db48x> cool 19:28:07 <db48x> perfect 19:28:10 <db48x> thanks :) 19:28:55 <petern> so have you fixed Chi? 19:29:26 <goodger> petern: I think it needs to be measurable and defined before it can be fixed >.< 19:29:38 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:08 <Rubidium> I got a big Χ and a small Ï. Both seem unbroken to me 19:30:09 <petern> well 19:30:09 <db48x> nah, I don't care about Chi 19:30:12 <petern> i chose horses 19:30:40 <db48x> I just noticed that it's only ever using 6 octaves of noise 19:31:03 <db48x> on big maps that's suboptimal 19:32:06 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 19:33:24 <db48x> also, the code is very silly 19:33:52 <db48x> it starts out by calculating the number of octaves based on the map size, but then it clamps it to just 0 through 6 19:34:03 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has joined #openttd 19:34:41 <petern> :D 19:34:48 <petern> improve it 19:34:51 <petern> please 19:36:25 <Belugas> seconded 19:40:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15692 /trunk/src/autoreplace_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2721]: Just sell the old engines after autorenew/replace. Don't bother about trains exceeding the trainlimit, which will be sold anyway. 19:40:59 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 19:41:21 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:06 <frosch123> [20:37] <db48x> it starts out by calculating the number of octaves based on the map size, but then it clamps it to just 0 through 6 <- haha, before it was clamped, it looked up the octave is a table filled with zeros :) 19:42:40 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37DD69.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:51 <petern> so what's an octave in landscape generation terms? 19:43:30 <frosch123> you increment the octave if you double the frequency, resp. half the stepsize 19:44:36 <petern> frequency of what? 19:44:37 <petern> stepsize? 19:44:55 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:45:15 <frosch123> tgp first calculated the heights at the map corners, i.e. in four points 19:45:36 <Noldo> petern: noise I guess 19:45:55 <frosch123> then it halfes the stepsize and computes the height in 5 additional points, so you get the heights on a 3x3 grid 19:46:11 <frosch123> then you half the stepsize again... 19:46:31 <frosch123> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multigrid_method <- similiar to those methods for solving PDE 19:46:36 <frosch123> so I did not read the article :) 19:46:42 <frosch123> s/so/though/ 19:47:50 <frosch123> you can also read tgp.cpp lines 286 to 298 19:51:46 <pavel1269> if i have patch which contain lines "diff --git a/src/command.cpp b/src/command.cpp" .... its only for linux use? no windows program understand that? 19:52:20 <Yexo> pavel1269: the program patch also runs under windows 19:52:29 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@ip565bdd29.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:52:30 <Yexo> it's just tortoisesvn that doesn't understand it 19:52:43 <frosch123> pavel1269: or do search&replace and remove the a/ and b/ 19:52:43 <pavel1269> program patch? 19:52:59 <Yexo> yes, patch 19:53:03 <frosch123> be careful to not change anything else, especially not whitespace 19:53:27 <pavel1269> i would like program, which will apply patch and when conflict ... it will create .rej file :-) 19:53:44 <Yexo> patch does exactly that 19:53:50 <pavel1269> grat, ty 19:54:00 <Yexo> install mingw or cygwin 19:54:18 <pavel1269> i had cygwin ... 19:54:24 <pavel1269> lets try mingw :-P 19:55:53 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:58:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15693 /trunk/projects/ (langs_vs80.vcproj langs_vs90.vcproj): -Fix (r15691): The msvc project files weren't updated to include luxembourgish. 20:08:01 <Belugas> planetmaker, you beat me... 20:08:19 <planetmaker> uh, ? 20:09:02 <planetmaker> not that I mind, but I have no idea what you're talking about :) 20:09:38 <planetmaker> oh, tt-forums? :) 20:09:53 <db48x> I don't like this implementation of perlin noise, either 20:10:40 <db48x> it's not properly composable 20:10:52 <planetmaker> working implementation is better than fictious one ;) 20:11:10 <Noldo> or even planned 20:13:25 <Belugas> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=40304&p=772452#p772452 20:13:37 <Belugas> that indeed 20:14:05 <planetmaker> now he can be sure :) 20:14:31 <planetmaker> and he'll feel more that there's some real interest :) 20:15:13 <planetmaker> what palette would you actually want the comic style in? 32 or 8? 20:15:23 <planetmaker> s/palette/colour depths/ 20:15:46 <planetmaker> and maybe s/want/like/ :) 20:17:30 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has joined #openttd 20:19:27 <Belugas> 32 wold be better, i guess 20:19:30 <Belugas> would 20:19:47 <Belugas> damned... i've grown an allergy to the U letter now... 20:20:54 <Belugas> more freedom and all 20:21:57 <frosch123> restricts recolouring though :) but you can always use the alpha channel, also with recolouring 20:24:48 <planetmaker> :) 20:26:00 <pavel1269> Belugas: why do u hate "U" so much? :-P 20:26:21 <pavel1269> *you ^^ ... :D 20:27:04 <goodger> :S 20:27:06 <Belugas> i think you know exactly why :) 20:27:24 <Forked> see 20:27:30 <Belugas> same as for Sensational Lover... 20:27:30 <Belugas> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=42156 20:27:30 <Forked> frosch123: thank you. 20:27:36 <Rubidium> r wi 1 o ur 1337 frndz? 20:27:39 <pavel1269> i see, you are in good mood today :-) 20:27:44 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:44 <Belugas> boy... is he on a big ride... 20:28:22 <frosch123> so, R word, S word, U word, ... hmm, i thought there was one more... 20:28:44 <planetmaker> e should be banned, too 20:28:46 <Yexo> S word? /me wonders what that was 20:28:48 <planetmaker> and maybe n 20:29:41 <Belugas> even more n+r+g 20:32:49 <pavel1269> just downloaded mingw ... 20:32:52 <pavel1269> installed ... 20:33:21 <pavel1269> gonna get cygwin :-) .... do i understand right, that mingw is just some headers? 20:33:31 <NukeBuster> what is that patchfile from? 20:33:39 <OsteHovel^EEE> PNG 32bit :P 20:33:50 <frosch123> ah, yes, the BBB word 20:33:51 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:33:53 <Yexo> pavel1269: no, mingw should include several executables 20:34:05 <OsteHovel^EEE> Mingw is a GCC built for compiling Windows .exe files 20:34:28 <pavel1269> i have to install C++ compiler to be able to aply patches? 20:34:38 <pavel1269> *apply 20:34:48 <Yexo> pavel1269: not to apply patches, but you do have to do that if you want to do anything usefull with the resulting code 20:34:49 <OsteHovel^EEE> you can infact just download mingw+windows api headers and lib and download ordinary binutils & gcc and compile it under cygwin/or real linux (i did that yesterday) 20:35:08 <pavel1269> Yexo: i have MSVS :-) 20:35:29 <Yexo> then you already have a compiler installed 20:35:32 <OsteHovel^EEE> i use mingw under cygwin + mingw under linux and distcc for both to speedup compiling times... 20:35:36 <pavel1269> y 20:35:48 <pavel1269> but how the hell i apply patches with that nwo? 20:36:05 <Yexo> open a shell and type "patch -p1 < patchfile.diff" 20:36:05 <petern> patching isn't compiling 20:36:17 <pavel1269> shell? ... :-) i am in win :-D 20:36:30 <petern> yes, windows has a shell 20:36:30 <OsteHovel^EEE> you have cygwin? 20:36:33 <pavel1269> petern: i compile under MSVS ... i just need to apply patch 20:36:37 <pavel1269> OsteHovel^EEE: no 20:36:47 <petern> cmd.exe, you may have heard of it 20:36:50 <OsteHovel^EEE> Start->Run and type: cmd then you get shell in a ordinary windows 20:36:51 <OsteHovel^EEE> :P 20:36:51 <pavel1269> OsteHovel^EEE: but gonna download him in 5mins :P 20:37:00 <OsteHovel^EEE> use cygwin or MSYS 20:37:00 <OsteHovel^EEE> :P 20:37:01 <pavel1269> lol ahhh :-) 20:37:06 <OsteHovel^EEE> i dont know witch one is the best 20:37:07 <Rubidium> you could try tortoises patch apply thingy, but that only works on a very small subset of patches 20:37:08 <Yexo> pavel1269: better open bash, you'll get that with either msys or cygwin 20:37:32 <OsteHovel^EEE> i have cygwin becouse it has more features but its SLOWER than mssys 20:37:33 <OsteHovel^EEE> *msys 20:37:35 <pavel1269> Rubidium: i am trying this, cos i have now only tartoise :-D 20:37:56 <pavel1269> that editor is ugly, and dont work at all patches at all 20:38:23 <Rubidium> wubi to the rescue! ;) 20:38:31 <pavel1269> whats wubi? ^^ 20:38:33 <Rubidium> faster than both cygwin and msys ;) 20:38:41 <pavel1269> sth like Chi? :P 20:39:00 <Rubidium> http://wubi-installer.org/ ;) 20:39:39 <pavel1269> oh ... ubuntu emulation? :-) 20:40:23 <Rubidium> kind of-ish 20:40:25 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet759.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:42:16 <[wito]> Is 206MB Vmem a lot? 20:42:46 <pavel1269> problem ... my shell dont know patch command :-) 20:43:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15694 /trunk/src/gfxinit.cpp: -Codechange/feature/fix: invert the order in which base graphics sets are queried making it fairly unlikely that downloaded graphics sets override the original graphics. 20:43:20 <Rubidium> pavel1269: your problem is that you don't know how to query application for their manual/howto 20:43:42 <pavel1269> my problem is that my english is really bad 20:44:35 <pavel1269> because i dont understand the second half of your sentence :-) ..... i dont know how can i find their manual? 20:44:43 <Belugas> keep on practiving, you're not so bad :D 20:44:53 <Belugas> -v+c 20:45:00 <pavel1269> :O 20:45:03 <Belugas> vmem... ho... virtual memory 20:45:04 <Belugas> pffffff 20:45:05 <Rubidium> pavel1269: for command line tools try -h or --help 20:45:10 <Noldo> practivating 20:45:18 <Noldo> now that's a word 20:45:23 <pavel1269> :-D 20:45:30 <OsteHovel^EEE> lol 20:45:31 <OsteHovel^EEE> :p 20:45:32 <OsteHovel^EEE> a new one 20:45:48 <pavel1269> Belugas: but you all will have to repair my poor gramar ^^ 20:46:01 <OsteHovel^EEE> Im thinking of compiling my gcc with --host=i586-mingw32 to get more performance... 20:46:03 <pavel1269> otherwise i will still talk like ... you know :-D 20:46:06 <OsteHovel^EEE> but i dont thing i get much 20:46:40 <OsteHovel^EEE> good nite everybody! 20:47:10 <pavel1269> Rubidium: "-h" "--help" "patch -h" "patch --help".... all unkown 20:47:19 <planetmaker> -? 20:47:31 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:47:37 <pavel1269> planet: <Rubidium> pavel1269: for command line tools try -h or --help 20:47:59 <planetmaker> pavel: try -? 20:48:24 <pavel1269> ? i dont get it 20:48:25 <Rubidium> "patch --help" works for me, "patch -h" tells me to use "patch --help". If your patch doesn't then you're screwed and probably have some broken patch 20:48:38 <planetmaker> or /help ... 20:48:49 <pavel1269> i dont even know if i have patch .-D ... i jsut installed mingw 20:48:54 <planetmaker> but Rubidium knows the tools on win - me not 20:49:07 * planetmaker bangs head against wood 20:50:24 <pavel1269> :-) .... looks like i am ..... hopeless 20:50:40 * pavel1269 's downloading cygwin 20:51:36 <frosch123> on certain crappy systems "gpatch" might also help :) 20:51:57 <pavel1269> too late :-) 20:52:12 <SmatZ> @seen Celestar 20:52:12 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Celestar was last seen in #openttd 7 hours, 1 minute, and 20 seconds ago: <Celestar> at least, there are CRACKS in the mainboard 20:52:34 <Belugas> and he was there smoking da stuff! 20:54:19 <[wito]> anyone care to comment on station design? http://totlandweb.info/4-track-double-station :à P 20:54:48 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-165-64-89.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 20:55:56 <pavel1269> i must stay, it look ugly for me 20:56:01 <pavel1269> *looks 20:56:44 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DADE.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:58:13 <planetmaker> looks like usual through-stations to me 20:58:48 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 21:01:00 <[wito]> this was the PITA 2->4 line, btw. ;P 21:02:41 <pavel1269> how much you paid, that i cant download cygwin :-) 21:06:52 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has joined #openttd 21:07:36 <Rubidium> the 100 000 pounds I started my game with 21:07:59 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:09:16 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has joined #openttd 21:15:20 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:45 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:16:30 <pavel1269> gn 21:16:38 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20:08 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:30:23 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:33:23 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:34:46 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:45:44 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:04 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:38 <racetrack> am I right in thinking that its impossible for the original pathfinder (not ntp) to be used for trains? nowhere in the code does FollowTrack get called with tt = TRANSPORT_RAIL, so I think not 21:55:38 <planetmaker> did you actually try it? 21:55:54 <racetrack> yes :P 21:55:55 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:58 <petern> why would you want to? 21:56:12 <racetrack> but there's a lot of code, a lot of things to test. easier to ask incase somebody already knows 21:56:18 <racetrack> I don't 21:56:19 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:56:36 <glx> 3 rail pathfinders are enough :) 21:56:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdc9d.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:49 <racetrack> my drive-through depot patch needs to patch anything that looks to see if a train can enter/exit a tile by a particular direction 21:56:54 <glx> and indeed the original one has been removed a long time ago 21:57:00 <petern> ahh 21:57:01 <racetrack> CanAccessTileInDir in pathfind.cpp has such a test 21:57:04 <racetrack> but never gets called 21:57:13 <racetrack> and from my reading of the code, can never be called (anymore) for trains 21:57:19 <racetrack> which is why I'm asking 21:57:22 <racetrack> should I bother patching that function 21:57:34 <racetrack> particularly since it doesn't seem that I can ever test my change 21:57:41 <glx> hmm but it's still used for signals IIRC 21:57:47 <SmatZ> racetrack: it used to be used for signals 21:58:17 <racetrack> used to be? is not anymore? 21:58:59 <racetrack> gtg breakfast, back soon 21:59:43 *** genclay [~mind@cpc2-rdng22-2-0-cust533.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:02:01 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng22-2-0-cust533.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:57 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:31 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 22:17:19 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:17:50 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 22:18:07 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-28-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:19:36 <goodger> hello Nite_Owl 22:19:58 <Nite_Owl> Hello goodger 22:33:39 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:23 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 22:36:25 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:36:48 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:45:25 * db48x scowls at fixed-point math 22:48:38 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:52:12 <[wito]> stations "on" lines, Insanity? 22:52:14 *** guru3 [~guru3@81-235-164-45-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:02 <goodger> [wito]: what? 22:54:44 <[wito]> You have a city A and a city B 22:54:49 <[wito]> between them lies town C 22:54:59 <[wito]> so you have a railway line that goes A->C->B 22:55:21 <[wito]> with an ICE running between A and B, and a local train running A-C-B-C 22:56:13 <[wito]> Is, in this situation, having the station C on the line (requiring the ICE to run (non-stop, of course) through station C) a good idea, or insanity? 22:57:59 <goodger> [wito]: if the ICE is never going to stop there, then it's stupid, of course 22:59:24 <[wito]> so how would you build the network in such a situation? 23:03:05 <goodger> er, I would run the ICE line directly between A-B, assuming this is a shorter route than A-C-B, and then put A-C and B-C in separately 23:06:18 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-160-63-111.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:20 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:51 *** genclay is now known as Yeggzzz 23:07:07 *** Yeggzzz [~mind@cpc2-rdng22-2-0-cust533.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:00 <[wito]> well, let's posit constraining terrain 23:14:20 <goodger> o..k.. 23:14:28 <goodger> then route the A-B line around the station 23:15:49 <[wito]> k 23:17:15 <goodger> _or_ add new platforms to the station such that the B-C/A-C trains can also access said platforms 23:25:11 <MrFrans> [wito], the local train would hold up the ice, on the line and when it is stopped at the station. 23:26:38 *** guru3 [~guru3@81-235-164-45-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 23:38:31 <[wito]> woo! 23:38:39 <[wito]> I'm the king of Unnecessaryland! 23:38:44 <svip> :o 23:38:55 <svip> That must be the greatest land of all. 23:39:30 <[wito]> 15 maglevs running in circles around a ziggurat built in a lake topped with my HQ 23:40:05 <goodger> joy 23:40:11 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:40:14 <svip> ;-; The greatest land of all, indeed. 23:40:48 <[wito]> now all I need to do is to drain the lake and fill it with a mammoth maglev snaking around an exessively intricate pattern 23:41:15 <[wito]> (what else can you do with 200 million pounds in 2047? :P) 23:41:17 <svip> Reminds me of the Copenhagen metro project. 23:41:52 <goodger> [wito]: you could cure world hunger 23:42:11 <svip> After the collapse in Cologne, they are now putting the project on hiatus. 23:42:26 <svip> Because the "OMG WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE" routine. 23:42:39 <svip> One of the more crazy politicians have said we should stop the metro project, because God has spoken! 23:42:59 <svip> Hm, I find it odd that God kept silent for all these years since London build their subway. 23:43:30 <goodger> not really, the early london underground was riddled with collapse 23:43:48 <svip> But no one called out craziness like this back then. 23:44:07 <svip> Besides our equipment have become far more superior than back then. 23:44:17 <svip> And the already existing line have had no issues. 23:44:19 <goodger> isambard kingdom brunel himself nearly died when one of the underwater tunnels was flooded 23:44:32 <svip> Eek! 23:44:41 <[wito]> in hindsight, I probably should have drained the lake before building the ziggurat. :P 23:44:46 <[wito]> oh well, live and learn 23:54:42 <goodger> [wito]: you'll find that the water mysteriously disappears if you raise the land high enough 23:54:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r15695 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 23:54:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Feature [FS#2672]: Allow the number of towns that will be generated in the generate world window to be customized. 23:54:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Some warnings: 23:54:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -the maximum number of towns to be accepted is set to 5000 23:54:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -the minimum number of towns to be accepted is set to 1 23:54:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -the number that is specified is NOT guaranteed to be the exact number of towns generated. The normal mechanism of town creation has not been modified. So town placement can still fail. 23:54:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -setting a custom number of town will change your difficulty settings to custom as well 23:56:30 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:56:49 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:59:56 <[wito]> goodger: not very helpful if you want to preserve the outline of the lake