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[~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:02:54 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 08:05:46 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.113.137.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:09:42 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.137.222] has joined #openttd 08:13:08 *** Cybert1nus is now known as Cybertinus 08:17:48 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:18:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226192071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:20:01 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@167.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 08:21:42 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 08:30:26 <dihedral> it's a shame brickland kind of vanished from the top threads in the forums 08:30:35 <petern> contribute! 08:36:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.137.222] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:44:52 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:44:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:44:56 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 08:45:42 <dihedral> i would not mind contributing with something else... :-P 08:45:56 <petern> no, we don't want your semen 08:46:19 * planetmaker certainly is not part of that "we" 08:46:31 <planetmaker> err... 08:46:34 <planetmaker> I am 08:46:34 <petern> you do want it? 08:46:42 <planetmaker> I need coffee 08:46:43 <petern> nice job ;p 08:46:46 <planetmaker> :P 08:46:49 * planetmaker hides 08:47:33 <SmatZ> you like milk in your coffee, right? 08:47:48 <planetmaker> wrong :) 08:47:56 <planetmaker> black is beautiful. ;) 08:47:58 <SmatZ> ;-) 09:03:11 <dihedral> SmatZ, that's ugly :-P 09:03:24 <dihedral> petern, i am talking about a socket, not semen 09:06:38 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:06:39 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:06:42 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:09:25 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.22.12.167] has joined #openttd 09:10:11 <insulfrog> hi 09:11:38 <SmatZ> hello trainlover 09:13:12 <insulfrog> I'm having a good go on the latest ottd build at the minute :) 09:13:28 <SmatZ> :) 09:14:22 <insulfrog> if all goes well, I might even post a few screens of my network on the forum 09:15:31 <SmatZ> :) 09:16:49 * Rubidium wonders what insulfrog means with "the latest ottd build" 09:18:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F688.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:21:56 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 09:25:02 <insulfrog> ottd 0-7-1 09:25:30 <insulfrog> (should have said latest stable build :p ) 09:25:53 *** fonsinchen [~alve@Va50a.v.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 09:27:15 <Markk> Yes 09:27:42 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 09:32:43 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 09:37:25 <dihedral> nice guess there Rubidium 09:37:26 <dihedral> :-D 09:40:54 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:42:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.171.225] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:43:10 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 09:43:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@217.23.228.6] has joined #openttd 09:43:35 *** Xyzzy [29c04af2@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:46:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16631 /trunk/src/saveload/ (oldloader_sl.cpp town_sl.cpp): -Fix (r1826)(r1881)(r9613): loading of some town data from old savegames was broken 09:52:39 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16632 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: rename Town::flags12 to Town::flags 10:05:58 *** gleeb [~gleeb@wuthost.net] has joined #openttd 10:08:40 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:08:50 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:16:57 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable160.111-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 10:17:28 <dragonhorseboy> just wondering but how do you add these automatic messages that welcomes new players to a game? 10:17:30 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:20:20 <dragonhorseboy> I can't figure out anything from the console :/ 10:20:54 *** Netsplit over, joins: FloSoft, Markk, Sacro, KingJ 10:20:54 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> kinetic.oftc.net quits: Yexo, Aali, Hirundo, fonsinchen, Default_, Brianetta, Sionide 10:21:06 *** Netsplit over, joins: Sionide, Default_, Aali 10:21:11 *** Netsplit over, joins: Hirundo, Yexo 10:21:11 <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: *.scr or Autopilot 10:21:19 *** Netsplit over, joins: Brianetta 10:22:01 <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, it's documented in the wiki 10:22:11 <dragonhorseboy> oh autopilot...some name... 10:22:13 <dihedral> or you can use something like autopilot or ap+ 10:22:33 <dihedral> however ap+ does not run on windows systems 10:22:44 <petern> if you want a simple message, one of the script files will do that 10:23:01 <dihedral> as i said: that part is documented in the wiki 10:23:07 <dragonhorseboy> hmm .. autopilot or auto pilot doesn't exist on wiki 10:23:17 <dihedral> ... 10:23:27 * dihedral slaps dragonhorseboy left and right and left and right and .... 10:23:37 <dragonhorseboy> me kicks dihedral 10:23:46 <dihedral> cute!! 10:24:02 <dihedral> search for script or scr 10:24:29 *** fonsinchen [~alve@Va50a.v.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 10:24:53 <dragonhorseboy> scr no results again ..but did find some script pages I think 10:25:30 <dihedral> well then have a look at them 10:25:44 <dihedral> you really dont expect us to feed you pre-digested url's do you? 10:25:58 <Yexo> dragonhorseboy: on_client.scr is executed as soon as a client joins 10:26:33 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:26:49 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 10:27:04 <dihedral> Yexo, that is executed whenever you join a server 10:27:08 <dragonhorseboy> dihedral why don't YOU check for yourself next time dunny? http://wiki.openttd.org/Special:Search?search=autopilot&go=Go 10:27:26 <dihedral> i never said that autopilot was mentioned in the wiki 10:27:43 <dragonhorseboy> "in the wiki" you said 10:27:53 <dihedral> now read the next line 10:28:02 <dihedral> i think it starts with the word OR 10:28:03 <Yexo> dihedral: ah, you're right 10:28:08 <Yexo> on_server_connect.scr is the correct one I think 10:28:10 <dihedral> it's the other one :-P 10:28:11 <dihedral> yes 10:28:23 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:29:07 <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, it's not my fault if you seem unable to read my message, or search the wiki, or any other search-able page on the web 10:30:12 <dragonhorseboy> dihedral you clearly said "on the wiki" thats all there is 10:30:45 <dragonhorseboy> http://wiki.openttd.org/Special:Search?search=ap%2B&go=Go << same as autopilot, no further comment 10:30:46 <Yexo> dragonhorseboy: read his messages again 10:30:57 <Yexo> "on the wiki" .... "or use something like autopilot" 10:31:04 *** fonsinchen [~alve@Va50a.v.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:31:17 <Yexo> in that other, not the other way around 10:31:20 <dihedral> no wonder the readme.txt file never helps people 10:31:53 <Yexo> http://www.google.nl/search?q=autopilot+openttd <- good results 10:31:57 <Yexo> how hard was that? 10:32:22 <dihedral> i should disable highlights on that word :-P 10:32:40 <Yexo> http://www.google.nl/search?q=openttd+script+when+client+joins <- second result mentions: 10:32:42 <dragonhorseboy> yexo..thats not wiki ;) 10:32:48 <Yexo> http://wiki.openttd.org/Running_Startup_Scripts 10:32:56 <Yexo> on_server_connect.scr - This script will be executed by the server whenever a client connects (useful for motd) <- from that wiki page 10:33:14 <dihedral> Yexo, that was exactly what i meant with 'predigested urls' :-P 10:33:23 <Yexo> dihedral: I know 10:33:27 <dihedral> it's like feedint that little kid some milk 10:33:28 <Yexo> just wanted to show how easy it was to ind 10:33:39 * dihedral gives Yexo an f 10:33:43 <dihedral> :-D 10:33:56 * Yexo needs a new keyboard 10:34:12 <Yexo> I have to press the f key harder then all other keys for it to be recognized 10:34:26 <dihedral> ailed 10:34:31 <dihedral> :-D 10:35:37 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-148-150.watf.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 10:35:42 <dihedral> crap - i just clicked the 'clear' button in my ignore list, rather than cancel 10:36:02 <petern> oh, i better watch what i say then 10:36:22 <dihedral> :-D 10:36:39 <dihedral> you were never there iirc - oh yes, once, for 5 mins or so :-P 10:36:40 <Ammler> "note for linux users" seems a bit outdated 10:37:14 <dihedral> then update it 10:37:28 <dihedral> after all, it is a wiki 10:37:29 <Ammler> seems 10:37:46 <dihedral> then test it, and if your assumption is correct, update the wiki 10:38:03 <Yexo> it was correct, and is alread removed :) 10:38:20 *** fonsinchen [~alve@Va50a.v.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 10:38:35 <dihedral> # run rabbit run rabbit run run run ..... 10:38:45 <Chris_Booth> lol 10:41:55 <Eddi|zuHause> this gets more and more insane... because windows 7 ships without ie8, there cannot be an upgrade installation from vista, because ie7 needs to be removed... 10:42:38 * SmatZ doesn't care 10:42:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i shouldn't either... 10:44:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16633 /trunk/src/ (aircraft_cmd.cpp openttd.cpp train_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: remove checks for consistency of newpool 10:46:41 *** fonsinchen [~alve@Va50a.v.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48:50 <dragonhorseboy> !seen ammler 10:49:13 *** fonsinchen [~alve@Va50a.v.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 10:49:35 <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: still here :P 10:50:53 <dragonhorseboy> heh hey 10:51:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i do not remember seeing ammler. 10:51:37 <Eddi|zuHause> (:p) 10:51:57 <dragonhorseboy> ammler btw thanks for creating that basecost.grf ;) 10:51:59 <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of ignore list... 10:52:19 <dihedral> yes 10:52:25 <dragonhorseboy> took me a while to figure out parameters but now heh terraforming costs HECKS compared to the cheap old original prices ;) 10:52:27 <petern> who shall we +q today? 10:52:28 <dihedral> i just cleared mine - need to set it up again 10:52:32 <SmatZ> hehe 10:53:25 <dihedral> petern, are you asking for a single nick or multiple? 10:54:30 <Ammler> basecost.grf is my first grf and you could do it with a 10th of the code :-) 10:54:45 <dragonhorseboy> ammler just wondering, did it matter which order in the newgrf should it be in or it doesn't matter? 10:54:56 <Eddi|zuHause> let's +q CIA, he's only talking rubbish all the time :p 10:55:08 <Ammler> well, as basecosts can be overwritten by every grf again 10:55:15 <Ammler> it "can" matter 10:55:23 <dragonhorseboy> at the top then I guess? 10:55:33 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:55:35 <Eddi|zuHause> no, at the bottom. 10:55:51 <Ammler> depense, which costs you prefer ;-) 10:55:58 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:56:04 <petern> it's spelled depends 10:56:05 <Ammler> but 10:56:21 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:56:32 <dragonhorseboy> thanks..that explained why some prices wouldn't take effect 10:56:37 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it doesn't make sense to allow the changes to be reverted again... just keep it at default then... 10:57:13 <dragonhorseboy> 8 for a piece of erail on flat ground and K on any sloped tile .. heh .. wish foundations and terraforming could be seperated but I guess it doesn't really matter 10:57:15 <Ammler> yes, you can disable the setting of a properitiy with parameter 255 10:57:39 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that is one of the big disadvantages 10:57:48 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.1.159.97] has joined #openttd 10:57:53 <Eddi|zuHause> foundations are tied to terraforming 10:57:58 <Eddi|zuHause> which defeats the point 10:58:31 <dragonhorseboy> well at least very few foundations are really needed so I wouldn't mind it (its only when eg you're trying to squeeze a bridge over busy rails with only space for one raised tile than two at other end) 10:58:41 <dragonhorseboy> eddi...true :S 10:58:45 <Ammler> would the grf spec allow a new properity for foundaitions, or isn't that worth to mention? 10:58:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i use foundations all the time... 10:58:49 <dihedral> talk with DaleStan if you want 'em split 10:59:14 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:59:42 <Eddi|zuHause> foundations are key if you want to avoid heavy terraforming 10:59:44 <dragonhorseboy> ammler..would be a good idea..considering roads are not worth jacking up the prices on (you know that roads don't like curves that much compared to rails heh) 11:00:31 <dragonhorseboy> eddi the problem is many ottd players take the lazy route and terraform literally flat to plop their own "superstraight" or "massive sized stations" rails down .. I guess you can't always win 11:00:47 <dragonhorseboy> not complaining to anyone in here (having seen ottd screenshots of single games) of course 11:01:25 <Ammler> for wwottdgd build, we bound the foundations costs to the related costs of infrrastructure, like rail foundations to rails 11:01:28 <dragonhorseboy> 100x terraforming cost but not affecting foundations could make these particular players rethink their action hopefully 11:01:40 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i remember that patch 11:01:42 <dragonhorseboy> (but being optional of course) 11:01:50 <Eddi|zuHause> it touched lines at all kinds of places... 11:01:56 <Eddi|zuHause> a hell to keep updated... 11:01:58 <Ammler> just 8 times higher, iirc. 11:02:15 <Ammler> (<<3) 11:02:16 *** Xyzzy [29c04af2@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:02:17 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, had a lot of "<< 3"s 11:02:23 <Ammler> :-) 11:02:26 <Eddi|zuHause> which is against the code style, btw. 11:02:41 <Ammler> wwottdgd had no style at all ;-) 11:02:42 <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, you will not get a lot of people playing on your server ;-) 11:02:49 <dihedral> Ammler, that is NOT true 11:03:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: that's why it was a "use once" patchpack ;) 11:03:11 <dihedral> YOU have no style, that does not mean that none of the others did not try to make sure style was used where possible 11:03:14 <dragonhorseboy> dihedral...then would you pls explain why blowing 7-tile-high mountain down to flat ground is reasonable when in real life that never even happens one bit at all 11:03:20 <Ammler> yes and will eber be 11:03:25 <Ammler> ever* 11:03:35 <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, i am not talking with you! 11:03:38 <dihedral> my f. word 11:03:44 <Ammler> one day :-) 11:03:59 <dihedral> at least i for my part payed attention to style 11:04:02 <dihedral> phazorx did too 11:04:10 <dihedral> planetmaker pays attention to style 11:04:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F688.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06:48 <Ammler> he, was it bilbo or hackalittlebit, who mentioned a nice patch, where you need rise a tile, if you like lower somewhere else. 11:07:02 <dragonhorseboy> ammler do you think that it could be plausible to check for how close to city the active tile is and adjust road construction price accordingly? 11:07:24 <dragonhorseboy> ammler..that sounds interesting..if you dug up some soil from one place you have to dump it somewhere else :) (my own thought on that) 11:08:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: that was in discussion very very long ago 11:08:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure i had that discussion with Brianetta a few years ago 11:09:02 <Ammler> I can remember Belugas answered but not sure anymore, if it was sarcastic 11:09:11 <planetmaker> dragonhorseboy, that certainly is possible to code. But it isn't quite cheap on the CPU afaik 11:09:11 <Eddi|zuHause> if you can only terraform 10 tiles in one direction, it makes screwing up the map very difficult 11:09:31 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, that patch exists. Even twice. 11:09:52 <planetmaker> Once as a server-side only thing and 2nd as a usual patch which is needed for both, server and client 11:09:57 <Ammler> :-o 11:10:13 <planetmaker> afaik we had the server-side one in wwottdgd/2 11:10:15 <Ammler> oh, you mean the non-tf patch at all? 11:10:23 <planetmaker> with the limitation set to 1 tile 11:10:31 <planetmaker> hard coded that is. But that could be changed 11:10:37 <dragonhorseboy> planetmaker hmm yeah true...I was thinking of on the basis of that a road far out in the lone landscape (eg for small coal mine) would be cheap but as you get closer to city it'll start rising (sidewalks, more maintenance, etc in a sense) to being the most expensive right in middle of the city 11:10:48 <dragonhorseboy> may not always work out ideally but its only a thought 11:10:49 <Yexo> <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, that patch exists. Even twice. <- even more then that 11:10:51 <Eddi|zuHause> 1 tile is quite a pain, i suppose... 11:11:04 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 90 seconds.] 11:11:09 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, well... depends on what you want :) 11:11:19 <planetmaker> If you want a low terraform game. That's fine 11:11:30 <Ammler> did we use the patch on wwottdgd/2? 11:11:35 <planetmaker> It's not like you usually need much tf 11:11:36 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 11:11:39 <Ammler> can't remember 11:11:47 <Eddi|zuHause> <dragonhorseboy> ammler do you think that it could be plausible to check for how close to city the active tile is and adjust road construction price accordingly? <-- i believe there once was a patch that adjusted the clear tile costs like that 11:11:52 <dragonhorseboy> planetmaker...I don't mind terraforming a bit there and there but I hate when entire mountains/etc are levelled just because "its in the way" 11:11:52 <planetmaker> Ammler, it wasn't active. But we could have activated it as it was compiled into the binary 11:12:01 <dihedral> in wwottdgd2 we had the option to disable tf per company 11:12:01 <planetmaker> it was accessible via rcon 11:12:06 <dihedral> and enable it of course 11:12:08 <planetmaker> aye. Even that :) 11:12:17 <dragonhorseboy> eddi hmm .. cost to clear tile .. that could had worked as well 11:12:19 <Ammler> ah, now, indeed 11:12:20 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i rather often need to terraform in order to place a station 11:12:23 <dihedral> well... i think it was in wwottdgd2 :-P 11:12:26 <Eddi|zuHause> other stuff is usually fine 11:12:49 <Yexo> speaking about wwottdgd, are there plans for a third event? 11:12:57 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, but usually one doesn't need big TF for that either. I mean... stations can be placed in steps up a slope, too :) 11:12:59 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, you, yes, but try to do that with 50 people in a multiplayer game :-P 11:13:05 <planetmaker> Yexo, plans: yes. 11:13:16 <Ammler> Yexo: wiki about day 3 exists, but not more :-) 11:13:17 <planetmaker> A person who actually starts working on it: not yet really 11:13:30 <dihedral> aint gonna be me :-P 11:13:33 <Yexo> hehe, it's always the same problem 11:13:42 <planetmaker> I dare say my time currently doesn't allow me to start the patch pack necessary for it. 11:13:55 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:13:57 <Ammler> well, the year isn't over, it might still be possible 11:14:13 <dihedral> planetmaker, it's a nasty amount of work :-) but you know that 11:14:30 <planetmaker> indeed :) 11:14:34 <dihedral> + it'll be hard to top the last 2 11:14:36 <dihedral> patch wise 11:14:39 <planetmaker> I learnt a lot. 11:14:43 <dihedral> :-D 11:14:58 <planetmaker> I now would tackle it completely differently. Especially as I didn't know hg queues back then. 11:14:59 <Ammler> he, I can remember as we did day one, we thought about repeat?ng it multiple times per year :-) 11:15:33 <planetmaker> Using that would have saved me so much time, I don't want to think about it ;) 11:15:39 <dragonhorseboy> hmm...I made the damned plane prices too high 11:15:45 <Ammler> yexo, we still wait for your "killer" feature ;-) 11:15:45 <dragonhorseboy> heh.. *fiddles some more* 11:15:59 <planetmaker> hehe... 11:16:08 <planetmaker> IS2 will be part of it. Has to be. 11:16:12 <Yexo> Ammler: did you check http://hg.openttd.org/developers/yexo/regions.hg/ ? 11:16:16 <planetmaker> But that alone is not sufficient. 11:16:26 <Ammler> Yexo: :-o 11:16:29 <planetmaker> Yexo, that's one of the things which would be truely nice for it 11:16:49 <Ammler> you didn't have that repo, last time we spoke about :-) 11:16:55 <Yexo> no idea 11:16:57 <planetmaker> But I didn't check it properly 11:17:00 <Yexo> it has been there or quite a while 11:17:06 <planetmaker> Ammler, it's up for... long 11:17:21 <Ammler> I guess, you mentioned to make a repo with. 11:17:34 <Yexo> 6 weeks now 11:18:23 <Yexo> peterns railtypes would be very nice with that 11:18:32 <planetmaker> Yexo, it was my impression, though, that it's not yet quite in a state to be tested. What's it status then actually? 11:18:38 * dihedral give Ammler an 'it' 11:18:48 <planetmaker> Yexo, that, too. 11:18:58 <planetmaker> Though I'm not sure how much newgrf support that needs. 11:19:05 <dihedral> you don't very often end a sentence on 'with' 11:19:20 <Yexo> planetmaker: it works (as far as I know), but the gui is a bit rough 11:19:22 <planetmaker> That's nothing I'm going to bother with ;) 11:19:26 <petern> dihedral, who are you conversing with? 11:19:26 <Ammler> well, we could them "hack" together maybe 11:19:56 <dihedral> petern, see the 'very often' part of my reply, yes? 11:20:04 <planetmaker> Yexo, well... that's not a major problem then, I guess...? 11:20:10 <Yexo> no :) 11:20:22 <petern> dihedral, see my hidden smiley? 11:20:30 <dihedral> always do :-) 11:20:31 <petern> railtypes works 11:20:39 <planetmaker> petern, trunkify it :P 11:20:47 <dihedral> "works" is all Ammler needs to consider it "ready for trunk" 11:21:04 <dihedral> :-P 11:21:09 <petern> tunnels are still an issue as they depend on landscape type. other bits don't. 11:21:16 <petern> level crossings never got done either 11:21:34 <dihedral> *cough* socket *cough* 11:21:41 * dihedral grins 11:21:42 <petern> and some work is needed to increase the number of railtypes, as the config file gives values 4+ special meanings 11:21:51 <planetmaker> petern, you mean as tracks and road graphics didn't get separated? Or...? 11:22:17 <planetmaker> And I don't understand the part with tunnels giving problems either... 11:22:59 <petern> look at the sprites, and you'll see 11:25:59 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:27:59 <Brianetta> Eddi: I remember Belugas' response. It was initially sarcastic until I mentioned actual gameplay benefits. Then the discussion kind of dried up. 11:32:29 <dragonhorseboy> hmm guess the basecost.grf seem to do something funny to want to cause totalbridgerenewal to not load on the map 11:33:00 * dragonhorseboy checks some more 11:35:17 <dragonhorseboy> hm seem to had been a high value glitch..never mind :p 11:35:37 <Ammler> as I said, very early grf, but it shouldn't do more then just some Action0 and Action7/9, maybe disable the costs for bridges 11:36:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Brianetta: that sounds like exactly every other discussion ;) 11:37:00 <dragonhorseboy> well lowering the parameter bought the grf back active so.. nothing for you to worry about ammler ;) 11:37:12 *** Progman [~progman@ds47.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #openttd 11:37:21 <dragonhorseboy> seem I had misread what the default was and I think I must had for a second caused the bridges to cost $$$$$$$$$$$ 11:37:24 <dragonhorseboy> :-S 11:38:33 <dragonhorseboy> now the stone viaduct takes about 4000 pounds to be built about five tiles long ;) 11:39:04 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p54B825F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:39:43 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Peter1138/Railtypes <-- you meant that list of sprites there, petern, yes? 11:41:14 <dragonhorseboy> jeeze..maybe I set this one too high .. 198000 pounds for a city airport :S 11:41:17 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p54B81255.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:41:36 <planetmaker> but there I don't see the climate dependence for tunnels... 11:43:35 <Yexo> planetmaker: "2 sprites for each direction, first sprite is underlay, second sprite is entrance. " <- I think the underlay sprite should depend on the climate 11:44:29 <petern> dragonhorseboy seriously needs to learn the difference between 'had' and 'have' 11:44:40 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm126.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:44:42 <Eddi|zuHause> the entrance depends on climate, too, because there grows grass on the default tunnel entrances 11:45:28 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:9483:403b:26b5:17fe] has joined #openttd 11:45:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:47:22 <planetmaker> Yexo, well... it could. But is it needed? 11:47:36 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-148-150.watf.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:06 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it is. because the default tunnel entrances must be converted to the same internal format as newgrf railtypes 11:48:07 <Yexo> yes, tunnel entrances with grass around it don't it in artic, let alone tropic / toyland 11:50:11 <planetmaker> Yexo, well, yes. But it *could* be drawn climate-independent, just above the slope, IF you restrict yourself to stone only. 11:50:19 <planetmaker> But agreed, it would look better, if it's adopted. 11:51:04 <Ammler> would that also aloow multiple tunnels for same type at once? 11:52:10 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, nope 11:52:15 <Eddi|zuHause> tunnel types as equivalent to bridge types could be useful 11:52:26 <planetmaker> Ammler, not as I understand it :) 11:52:38 <planetmaker> hehe. Tunnel types the same as bridge types :P 11:52:57 <planetmaker> ttrs - not only total town... but also total tunnels... ;) 11:53:11 <Eddi|zuHause> that, and varaction2 for bridges/tunnels, could solve the climate problem 11:53:41 <Ammler> ttes, extend, not just replacement ;-) 11:53:43 <Eddi|zuHause> people have been longing for snowy bridges, too 11:54:07 <Eddi|zuHause> a "total extension" does not make a lot of sense :p 11:54:20 <petern> penis extension 11:54:29 <Ammler> tpe 11:55:06 <Eddi|zuHause> is that what you buy from these email advertisements? 11:56:08 <Ammler> if they pass the spamfilter, you should seriously consider them... 11:56:25 *** Markk [~markk@rikskriminalen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:56:42 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently, they don't ;) 11:58:29 <dragonhorseboy> yeah I do wish foundations and terraform were seperate prices 11:58:41 <dragonhorseboy> but oh well..I think its reasonably useable for now 11:59:44 <dragonhorseboy> 600 pounds for one straight sloped and one straight rails verus 75000 pounds for both on a foundation 12:03:27 *** Markk [~markk@rikskriminalen.com] has joined #openttd 12:06:21 *** Markk [~markk@rikskriminalen.com] has quit [] 12:06:26 *** markk [~markk@rikskriminalen.com] has joined #openttd 12:07:33 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:09:42 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-514ffcbe.l4.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:09:42 *** markk is now known as Markk 12:11:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16634 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: use Company::IsHumanID() instead of IsHumanCompany() 12:11:57 *** ersi [~ersi@81-233-226-66-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 12:13:59 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15:54 <Yexo> what is the meaning of action0 industries prop 09, the size variable? wiki.ttdpatch says: "D size The size of the whole definition, excluding numlayouts and size". Is that in in bytes or the total number of tiles defined? 12:17:28 *** ersi [~ersi@81-233-226-66-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has left #openttd [] 12:23:14 <glx> industries ? 12:23:43 <glx> prop 09 are overides 12:24:30 <dragonhorseboy> hey glx how're you? :) 12:25:48 <Yexo> sorry, prop 0A 12:26:22 <Korenn> it's a simple byte count, isn't it? 12:26:29 <Yexo> I don't know 12:26:32 <Korenn> of all the bytes that will follow it 12:27:00 <glx> how many bytes in layouts (variable size) 12:27:04 <Yexo> OpenTTD handles it as number of tiles including the terminating 00 80's 12:27:08 <Belugas> hello 12:27:18 <Yexo> ok, so it should be the byte count 12:27:19 <dragonhorseboy> hey belugas 12:27:20 <Yexo> hello Belugas 12:27:26 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wired-78.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:28:23 <Belugas> hello both of ya 12:28:34 <dragonhorseboy> :) 12:28:57 <Belugas> i see i have been highlighted twice. Cool. Don't know what it is about. One day maybe i'll know... 12:29:15 <glx> free hl without text ? 12:29:18 * dihedral also highlights Belugas 12:29:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas is always a highlight 12:30:10 <Belugas> glx, no it had text. just that I could not find the conversation it was linked to 12:30:13 <dragonhorseboy> :p 12:30:17 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... if i installed an apache, how do i start it? 12:30:17 <Belugas> dihedral 12:30:17 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause 12:30:20 <Belugas> dihedral 12:30:26 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause 12:30:28 <dihedral> Belugas 12:30:36 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause dihedral 12:30:40 <dragonhorseboy> dihedral 12:30:44 <Belugas> lol 12:30:47 <dihedral> who asked you dragonhorseboy ? 12:30:47 <Eddi|zuHause> /ignore Belugas 12:30:48 <Belugas> youhou!!! 12:30:52 <dihedral> :-P 12:30:55 <dragonhorseboy> :P 12:31:09 * dihedral starts his ignore list and has his first addition 12:31:21 <Belugas> about the last you'll hear from me, i'm on my way to yet another certification 12:32:05 <dihedral> \o/ 12:32:13 <dihedral> hope for more money this time? 12:35:02 <dragonhorseboy> belugas how many do you have now? 12:35:46 <dihedral> more than you are old :-P 12:36:30 <dragonhorseboy> 20 papers seriously? :P 12:37:15 <dihedral> oh - i would have guessed you somewhere along the lines of 14-16 12:38:07 <dragonhorseboy> you missed way too low then 12:38:08 <dragonhorseboy> ;) 12:41:33 <planetmaker> ho Belugas :) 12:41:35 <Belugas> i do not count the certifications made... only those that i still have to go through 12:41:43 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:41:45 <dragonhorseboy> oh ok 12:41:48 <Belugas> and those are the worse.. 12:42:14 <planetmaker> what kind of certificates is that? Like certified to know his way around... C on an intel processor? :P 12:42:20 <Belugas> like PA-DSS... at the top of the burk... 12:42:33 <Belugas> no... payment processing stuff 12:42:42 <planetmaker> urgs... 12:42:44 *** theholyduck_ [~holyduck@167.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 12:42:52 <Belugas> like i did yesterday evening, instead of having fun with real life 12:44:46 <dragonhorseboy> hmm I just thought of another thing for ottd grfs.. 12:45:16 <dragonhorseboy> a small grf that disables the original station or at least overwrite it to a crude simple low platform instead :p 12:45:26 <dragonhorseboy> it just seem so out of place compared with most custom stations 12:47:03 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@167.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:01 <Yexo> I don't think it's possible to disable it, but you can probably replace the sprites with empty ones / simple low platform ones 12:51:02 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [user@c-76-100-52-121.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:53:59 <insulfrog> gotta go 12:54:01 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.22.12.167] has left #openttd [] 12:59:31 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-514ffcbe.l4.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:00:45 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:01:09 <dragonhorseboy> ty yexo .. going for a while now ;) 13:02:12 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable160.111-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 13:11:59 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:14:35 *** Markk [~markk@rikskriminalen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:23:04 *** Markk [~markk@rikskriminalen.com] has joined #openttd 13:25:59 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm126.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: bathtime orudge] 13:31:52 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.210.172] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:39:59 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:40:56 <Belugas> time for DeathMole, not for PG... 13:58:10 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm126.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:59:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.171.225] has joined #openttd 14:00:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.171.225] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.171.225] has joined #openttd 14:01:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.171.225] has quit [] 14:01:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.171.225] has joined #openttd 14:03:26 *** [wito] [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 14:03:33 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 14:04:05 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:06:34 *** williham [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:54 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [user@c-76-100-52-121.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: .] 14:17:37 *** Progman [~progman@ds47.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:40 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 14:27:56 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 14:32:37 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 14:36:13 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:37:01 *** Luette [~kvirc@HSI-KBW-078-043-033-160.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 14:37:30 <Luette> wiki 14:40:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F688.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:40:34 <Rubidium> heh, haven't heard that German greeting before 14:40:58 <dihedral> well, at least he knows where to find his answers :-P 14:41:31 <Luette> :) 14:41:36 <Luette> hi everyone 14:43:57 <dihedral> yes, and now? :-P 14:44:27 *** rortom [~rortom@p508EC31A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:44:44 <dihedral> now that is a nick one gets to see very seldom 14:44:47 <dihedral> hello rortom 14:51:40 <Belugas> sery veldom? 14:51:49 <Belugas> mery seldov? 14:52:06 <Belugas> dery selvom? 14:59:35 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wired-78.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 15:00:39 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:47 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:05:37 *** fonsinchen [~alve@Va50a.v.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:06 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:08:57 *** Tim_O [~chatzilla@port-92-192-116-162.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:09:04 *** Tim_O is now known as Timmaexx 15:14:30 *** Timmaexx [~chatzilla@port-92-192-116-162.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]] 15:20:48 *** [com]buster is now known as [gone]buster 15:34:32 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:35:05 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 15:36:27 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@167.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 15:38:00 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:38:04 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:08 *** [com]buster is now known as [gone]buster 15:40:44 *** Timmaexx [~chatzilla@port-92-192-116-162.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:42:17 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:42:34 *** theholyduck_ [~holyduck@167.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:59 <Timmaexx> Good Evening 15:43:07 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43:08 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 15:43:19 <dihedral> you are missing a k and an f 15:43:56 <Luette> maybe even two Fs 15:44:08 <Xaroth> o_O 15:44:10 <Xaroth> heh 15:44:59 *** Mettalhead [~Mettalhea@dslb-088-077-086-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:45:08 <Timmaexx> Hi Mettalhead 15:45:14 <dihedral> yes :-P 15:45:19 <dihedral> 2 Fs 15:45:19 <Mettalhead> hi 15:46:06 <Mettalhead> dich 15:46:50 <Mettalhead> sry 15:47:18 * dihedral gives Mettalhead an o and another r 15:47:41 <Mettalhead> thank you 15:47:43 *** tiba666 [tobias@h59ec3945.dkkosun.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:02 *** tiba666 [tobias@h59ec3945.dkkosun.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has left #openttd [] 15:49:52 <Timmaexx> dihedral? Why can't join your Auto Nightly Server? Is it offline? 15:50:08 <Xaroth> it's a trap! 15:51:57 *** Timmaexx [~chatzilla@port-92-192-116-162.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]] 15:53:20 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:54:19 <dihedral> how should i know what problems you have?? 15:54:49 <Mettalhead> i don't know what you meen 15:54:58 <Mettalhead> mean 15:55:01 <valhalla1w> dihedral: is your crystal sphere broken again? 15:55:06 <valhalla1w> you should be more careful 15:55:08 *** valhalla1w is now known as valhallasw 15:55:40 <dihedral> hehe 15:55:43 <Mettalhead> lol 15:56:12 *** Timmaexx [~chatzilla@port-92-192-116-162.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:56:14 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 15:56:38 <Belugas> #crystal ball 15:57:15 <svip> Woo 15:57:26 <svip> I win at graph design. 15:57:37 <svip> In your face, Belugas. 15:58:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdd43.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:59:09 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:01:10 *** Mettalhead [~Mettalhea@dslb-088-077-086-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #openttd [] 16:01:44 *** Timmaexx [~chatzilla@port-92-192-116-162.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]] 16:03:46 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:10 <Korenn> I have a question about beginner level newindustries nfo coding. anyone who could help me? 16:08:00 <Yexo> only if you ask your question (but probably I can't help you anyway) 16:09:33 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a198.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:09:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:12:07 <Belugas> Korenn, ask, and whenever someone (much requested one) can answer, he/she (yes yes yes, there are some ladies now and then) will 16:13:30 <Korenn> that's true. alright then: 16:13:33 <Bjarni> using plain text as a way to communicate is a clever way to hide the fact that women exists 16:13:59 <Bjarni> for all we know half of the channel are women 16:14:15 <Bjarni> btw hello everybody :) 16:14:39 <Korenn> I have a new industry in an nfo that changes the printing works to accept cargo. this all works nicely and the industry window in-game shows the new requirements. But how do I now update the industry tiles so that the map actually accepts the cargo? 16:14:54 <Korenn> to accept new cargo* 16:15:38 <Korenn> I tried updating the relevant industry tiles, but that doesn't seem to do anything. I seem to be missing a link 16:19:01 <valhallasw> svip: what did you create? a graphviz plugin that outputs openttd maps? 16:20:06 <Bjarni> o_O 16:20:14 <Bjarni> that would be really interesting 16:20:45 <Belugas> iirc, Korenn, you need to override the old indutiles with new ones, holding new cargo 16:21:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@217.23.228.6] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 16:21:27 <Korenn> Belugas: override, not substitute? 16:21:35 <frosch123> override :) 16:21:43 <frosch123> resp. both 16:22:15 <frosch123> alternatively you can replace the tilelayout of the industry to use the new tiles, instead of the original ones 16:22:44 <Yexo> if I understood it correctly, substitute only sets the tile that will be displayed if you newgrf is no longer available. Can someone confirm that? 16:23:01 <Korenn> I'd prefer to start with only changing the existing tiles and tackle new layouts as a later step :) 16:23:03 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 16:23:15 <frosch123> correct, and it initialises your new with the properties of the old one 16:24:27 *** [gone]buster is now known as [com]buster 16:24:28 <frosch123> [18:23] <Korenn> I'd prefer to start with only changing the existing tiles and tackle new layouts as a later step :) <- but note that overriding the tiles might affect other grfs, so when you later define a layout you would likely remove the tile-override again 16:24:38 <frosch123> so your way is not the straight-forward one :) 16:25:23 <Korenn> yes, I understand that changing layouts later might undo what I'm doing now, but this is a learning process :P 16:26:58 <Korenn> so, if I get this correctly: below my industry definition, I should add a new action 0, feature 09, that sets for tiles 2b..2e (printing works) properties 08 and 09 for that tile, and set the acceptance? 16:27:58 <frosch123> sounds correct 16:28:25 <Korenn> ok, thanks. I'll muck around some more then :D 16:29:44 *** fonsinchen [~alve@Va50a.v.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 16:30:12 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-514ffcbe.l4.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:31:42 <Korenn> yay, progress \o/ 16:31:43 <Korenn> thanks 16:32:36 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-514ffcbe.l4.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:40 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-514ffcbe.l4.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:38:03 * Belugas takes a little bit of his time to eat up the meal 16:39:54 <svip> valhallasw: Unfortunately not. 16:40:10 <svip> valhallasw: It's a graph that shows over time the incidents of when persons have eaten to our lunch group. 16:40:16 <svip> As well as tracking the average price for the meals. 16:40:24 <svip> valhallasw: http://spiltirsdag.dk/~svip/eggs/graph_timeline.py 16:40:28 <svip> And what's more; it's SVG! 16:41:44 <valhallasw> I have no idea what is charted there 16:41:49 <valhallasw> but it looks pretty nice 16:42:10 <valhallasw> except the fact there are two vertical and horizontal axis 16:42:17 <valhallasw> with no description 16:42:51 <valhallasw> I mean, horizontal is time 16:42:55 <valhallasw> that much is obvious 16:43:28 <svip> valhallasw: Descriptions are intended for coming. 16:44:07 <valhallasw> lol 16:44:15 <valhallasw> your site kills google translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=nl&js=n&u=http://spiltirsdag.dk/~svip/eggs/&sl=da&tl=en&history_state0= 16:44:33 <svip> Brilliant. 16:45:13 <svip> valhallasw: Just like IE, Google needs to support SVG. 16:45:33 <valhallasw> this is just the main EggsML site http://spiltirsdag.dk/~svip/eggs/ 16:45:49 <svip> Well, it contains SVG. 16:46:14 <svip> The indicates below "gennemsnitlig stuff" is embedded SVG. 16:46:25 <valhallasw> ah, right 16:49:34 <svip> valhallasw: In addition, the graph uses JavaScript to allow you to hover over the lines. 16:50:15 <valhallasw> javascript in svg 16:50:23 <valhallasw> I'm not quite sure if I find that creepy or neat 16:50:44 <svip> Javascript is awesome. 16:51:06 <valhallasw> yes 16:51:14 <valhallasw> but.. in an image? 16:55:26 <svip> valhallasw: SVG is so much more than image. 16:55:46 <svip> valhallasw: If illustrations cannot be interactive, what's the point in living? 16:56:10 <valhallasw> svip: if that was true, we would be extinct by now ;) 16:59:42 <Belugas> #IIIIIIIIIII'm a Dinosauuuuuuur 16:59:51 <Belugas> #Somebody's digging my bonnnnnes 17:06:31 <Bjarni> valhallasw: tip of the day: when google translate fails then you have to do like me 17:06:37 <Bjarni> read the original language 17:06:40 <valhallasw> learn danish? 17:06:45 <Bjarni> it's not that tricky 17:06:47 <Bjarni> I just did 17:06:48 <valhallasw> I know :P 17:07:10 <valhallasw> what I would like is a google translate overlay on the original page 17:07:19 <valhallasw> instead of the opposite 17:07:34 <valhallasw> so you can just find the meaning of the words you don't recognise easily 17:07:44 <Bjarni> interesting idea 17:08:11 <valhallasw> but.. I have to go :) 17:08:12 <Bjarni> you mean like you have the original page and then if you put the mouse over a word it looks up the word? 17:08:16 <valhallasw> yes 17:08:22 <valhallasw> the opposite of the normal google translate 17:08:24 <Bjarni> I think there is a firefox plugin, which can do that 17:08:35 <valhallasw> where you get the translated page with a hover popup with the original text 17:09:08 <valhallasw> anyway, /gone :) 17:09:13 <Bjarni> bye valhallasw 17:09:21 <Bjarni> have a nice time learning Danish 17:09:25 <Bjarni> :P 17:10:05 <Bjarni> svip: bf ate 20 times and never paid anything??? 17:10:12 <Bjarni> looks like you get cheated 17:15:25 *** rortom [~rortom@p508EC31A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:55 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm126.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: no me] 17:30:32 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-148-150.watf.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:33:29 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:33:45 * Prof_Frink pinks Belugas' floyd 17:40:56 <Belugas> hehe 17:41:24 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43:53 <Korenn> How do I change the sprites associated with an industry tile? 17:45:43 *** theholyduck_ [~holyduck@167.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 17:46:19 <Rubidium> action 1 or action A depending on how you do it (I think) 17:47:03 <Korenn> I don't want to overwrite the sprites, I just want a different sprite ID to be drawn 17:48:49 <Rubidium> oh, so instead of the coal tower you want the copper tower (as analogy) without changing sprites? 17:49:11 <Korenn> yeah 17:51:04 <Rubidium> you need to make a new tile layout where you use the different sprite ID 17:51:21 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@167.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:51:23 <Korenn> there's a sprite id in the layout? *goes to look again* 17:51:39 <Rubidium> isn't there? 17:52:12 <Yexo> prop 0A 17:52:15 <Korenn> as far as I can see, there's only the offset the industry tile 17:52:17 <frosch123> in action2 for industry tiles you can refer to default ttd sprites and to sprites of action1 17:52:47 <Korenn> yexo: prop 0a of what? 17:52:57 <Yexo> industries, you give a TileID 17:53:08 *** rortom [~rortom@p508EC31A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:53:10 <Yexo> B oldtile An old tile type to be put on the given tile 17:53:11 <Korenn> frosch123: ah right, so I need to make a new sprite set that refers to the old ttd sprites? 17:53:35 <frosch123> either that, are you use the old tiles as yexo said :) 17:53:37 <Belugas> a pseudo sprite, that is... 17:54:39 <Korenn> Yexo: yeah but with that approach I can't change the cargo acceptance, nor refer to non-industry sprites (say, houses) 17:54:54 <Yexo> I just realised that 17:55:23 <Yexo> so do what frosch123 said 17:56:51 <Korenn> frosch123: so then I need an action3 to link the sprite set to the industrytile? 17:59:12 <glx> usual 0/1/2/3 chain 17:59:49 <Korenn> except if I'm using the old TTD sprites I can dispense with the action 1. I think I get it :) 18:04:52 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:08:49 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C350.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:09:20 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C350.versanet.de] has quit [] 18:09:59 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C350.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:11:58 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 18:13:29 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C350.versanet.de] has quit [] 18:14:33 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C350.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:14:37 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C350.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:48 *** rain``` [rain@24-183-138-238.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:35 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C350.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:16:13 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-514ffcbe.l4.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:21 <frosch123> Korenn: yes, action1 is only needed for custom sprites 18:20:34 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:33:27 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 18:33:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-31-55-189.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 18:40:39 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:00:27 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:03:48 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:08:06 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:06 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 19:20:12 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-148-150.watf.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 19:23:45 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5C350.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:28:55 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:28:55 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:58 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 19:29:36 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C350.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:39:48 *** rortom [~rortom@p508EC31A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 19:44:49 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:50:56 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:50:56 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:05:01 *** fonsinchen [~alve@Va50a.v.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22:45 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:23:02 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:23:14 <SmatZ> hello 20:23:32 <Nite_Owl> Hello SmatZ 20:25:39 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-115-180.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:25:41 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:01 *** stuffcor1se [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 20:28:25 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16635 /trunk/src/settings.cpp: -Fix: a couple of MSVC 64 bits warnings 20:31:20 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 20:33:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16636 /trunk/src/ (station.cpp station_base.h): -Codechange: no need to initialize already zeroed variables by zero in station and rs constructors, remove debug output 20:34:26 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5C350.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:39:53 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16637 /trunk/src/ (debug.cpp debug.h): -Cleanup: remove unused _debug_station_level 20:49:01 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16638 /branches/0.7/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 20:49:01 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 20:49:01 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Loading of some town data from old savegames was broken (r16631) 20:49:01 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Some of the var action 2 80+ variables contained wrong values from NewGRF perspective (r16615, r16613) 20:49:01 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Antialiased fonts broken; 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23:32:51 <z-MaTRiX> were some extra multiplications? 23:33:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C64.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C94.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:22 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:33:25 *** sdafsdf [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:33:46 *** fonsinchen [~alve@Va50a.v.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:42:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16642 /trunk/src/genworld_gui.cpp: -Codechange: use map size limits enum at one more place 23:44:22 <SmatZ> z-MaTRiX: if x+y > 7, x*x+y*y can't be <= 25 23:44:37 <SmatZ> positive, integer numbers 23:45:13 <Sacro> Yes it can 23:45:19 * Sacro has got 24.5 23:45:31 <glx> integer? 23:45:34 <SmatZ> where did your integers go? 23:45:35 <Sacro> oh no 23:45:37 <Sacro> not integener 23:45:41 <Sacro> *integer 23:46:00 <Sacro> oh yes it can 23:46:15 <SmatZ> show me 23:46:21 <Sacro> if x = 3 and y = 4 23:46:30 <SmatZ> 3+4 !> 7 23:46:35 <Sacro> hmm 23:46:37 <Sacro> true that 23:46:41 * Sacro has got confused 23:52:33 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52:49 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:59:18 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@BAE9cb4.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:59:34 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a198.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving]