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00:00:01 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 00:01:09 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:12:21 *** Leif__ [~Zuu@S0106000f3d50466b.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:17:51 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:27 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:24:28 *** KingJ is now known as kingj 00:32:09 *** goodger_ [~ben@host86-156-58-228.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:39:15 *** goodger [~ben@host86-156-58-228.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:39:29 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:40:58 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 00:42:37 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:44:53 <DaleStan> Rubidium: Does your system need -D__CYGWIN__? Mine is fine as long as I have both -DMINGW and -mno-cygwin. 00:45:19 <Rubidium> DaleStan: yes, after I uninstalled gcc4 and installed gcc3 00:45:40 <Rubidium> it fixes the linking issue I was having 00:46:32 <DaleStan> *shrugs* OK. I'll put it in, then. 00:46:45 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 00:49:06 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 00:49:14 <Rubidium> I'll do a final check whether maybe MINGW added enough so __CYGWIN__ isn't needed 00:50:03 <Rubidium> hmm, MINGW does the trick too... odd 00:50:19 <Rubidium> so __CYGWIN__ isn't needed after all 00:50:55 <Rubidium> what does -DMINGW do for magic that it does the same as __CYGWIN__ for linking? 00:51:35 * Rubidium is so happy that he doesn't have to support the windows compilers for OpenTTD ;) 00:51:46 <DaleStan> Well, the code uses MINGW/_MSC_VER/<none-of-the-above> to decide which files to #include; maybe one of them #defines __CYGWIN__? 00:52:03 <Rubidium> that's plausible 00:54:52 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:58:20 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-129-81-193.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:58:26 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.196.30] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0-rc2] 01:09:26 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:11:28 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 01:11:55 <Rubidium> DaleStan: is there a reason that grfcodec's %.os : %.c rule uses -MD and the %.o : %.c(c) rules use -MMD? Or are they meant to be the same? 01:12:09 <DaleStan> I think they're meant to be the same. 01:14:04 * Rubidium is off trying to get some sleep; night 01:15:02 <DaleStan> The Makefile changes should be committed by the time you get up, then. 01:15:08 <DaleStan> Good night. 01:15:24 <DaleStan> And thanks again for your work, Rubidium. 01:15:48 <Dragoon_Jett> For trains climbing mountains would it be faster for the train to climb two levels at once or two levels and lets say four sqaures inbeteen each height changes 01:16:29 <DaleStan> I've always been fond of the "try it and see" system. May I recommend it to you? 01:16:43 <Dragoon_Jett> Hmm yes that works too 01:16:58 <Dragoon_Jett> So when I want to see if wood burns should I trust other people or just try it? 01:17:39 <Dragoon_Jett> Ive never seen a gun kill someone should I try it, or trust the news and other peoples knowledge 01:18:37 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-144-20-57.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:18:47 <DaleStan> Depends on whether or not you want to know whether or not wood in general burns (Do train climb slopes?) or whether that particular log will burn well. (Which slope is climbed faster?) 01:19:01 <Dragoon_Jett> Which slope is climbed faster 01:19:19 <Dragoon_Jett> For trains climbing mountains would it be faster for the train to climb two levels at once or two levels and lets say four sqaures inbeteen each height changes 01:19:24 <Dragoon_Jett> climbing mountains would it be faster for the train to climb two levels 01:19:29 <Dragoon_Jett> would it be faster for the train 01:19:32 <Dragoon_Jett> faster 01:20:06 <DaleStan> Then try it and see. I can't tell you if a log I have never seen will burn well, and I can't determine the results of an experiment I've never performed any faster than you can. 01:20:52 <Dragoon_Jett> Thanks, I will ask when a bunch of pricks are not on. 01:21:43 <DaleStan> Or you could try it again when you have a Smart Question: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html 01:22:48 <Dragoon_Jett> Choose your forum carefully 01:22:58 <Dragoon_Jett> Oh yes well since I am on IRC and dont have a forums account 01:23:03 <Dragoon_Jett> Web and IRC forums directed towards newbies often give the quickest response 01:23:15 <Dragoon_Jett> Oh look the only irc channel I know of for openttd 01:23:30 <Dragoon_Jett> Write in clear, grammatical, correctly-spelled language 01:23:32 <Dragoon_Jett> Did that 01:23:40 <Dragoon_Jett> Describe the problem's symptoms, not your guesses 01:23:42 <Dragoon_Jett> Did that 01:23:49 <Dragoon_Jett> Describe the goal, not the step 01:23:50 <Dragoon_Jett> Did that 01:24:28 <Dragoon_Jett> It would have been quicker to say, hey just level some land between the hight changes or no dont 01:24:36 <Dragoon_Jett> Than trying to prove a stupid point 01:25:44 <DaleStan> It would have been faster for me to start OpenTTD, build two trains, build some track, send them up the track, record the results, and repeat for every possible train length and weight? 01:25:47 <DaleStan> How do you figure? 01:27:29 *** Baffage [~potetfar@160.80-202-187.nextgentel.com] has quit [] 01:27:35 <Dragoon_Jett> No...Not really 01:28:20 <Dragoon_Jett> Since I have different weights different trains etc etc going along that track and trying it would well I THOUGHT it would be quicker to just ask some veterns 01:28:34 <Dragoon_Jett> Than disrupt my trains 01:29:23 *** FRQuadrat [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 01:30:00 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:31:33 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 01:31:39 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 01:34:39 *** xmakina [~xmakina@87.115.49.116.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [] 01:34:40 *** DPyro [ad4a9c0c@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 01:36:54 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:51:30 *** benben [~ben@i3ED6C628.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Have you tried turning it off and on again?] 02:05:20 *** FRQuadrat [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 02:05:24 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-5-190.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 02:06:19 *** nfc_ [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 02:08:01 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:11:43 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 02:14:22 *** nfc_ [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:19:47 *** DPyro [ad4a9c0c@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:23:51 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 02:57:38 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 03:03:40 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-129-81-193.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:07:44 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 03:08:57 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:44 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:17:59 *** JFBelugas [~jfranc@ip-78.40.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: Wife calls...] 03:39:02 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:05 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 04:21:41 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.195.222] has joined #openttd 04:21:43 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@146.089.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:10:17 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:03:43 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has joined #openttd 06:21:27 <planetmaker> DaleStan: compiling grfcodec: cc1plus: error: -MG may only be used with -M or -MM 06:22:08 <planetmaker> for both, gcc 4.0.1 and gcc 4.5 06:23:20 <planetmaker> on a mac 06:35:30 <DaleStan> If you remove the -MG from Makefile:229, :233, and :252 (But not any of the *.d rules), does that fix things? 06:36:11 <DaleStan> I think that should do the trick, but I don't have gcc 4 installed. 06:36:48 <DaleStan> planetmaker: ^ 06:36:58 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:17:46 <planetmaker> DaleStan: yes, removing it only in that line suffices 07:17:52 <planetmaker> *lines 07:19:36 <DaleStan> Good. 07:21:19 <DaleStan> ... And bother. I failed to audit my changes before committing them. Oh, well. It's not worth the hassle of backing them out. 07:22:30 <planetmaker> hm... I have now (again) a problem with boost... 07:23:29 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:23:39 <planetmaker> I get "make: *** No rule to make target `boost/date_time/gregorian/gregorian_types.hpp', needed by `readinfo.o'. Stop." 07:24:07 <planetmaker> but in Makefile.local "BOOST_INCLUDE = /Users/ingo/Download/boost_1_39_0" 07:24:20 <DaleStan> rm readinfo.o.d && make 07:24:35 <planetmaker> shouldn't make clean then do the trick? 07:25:02 <planetmaker> well, but yes, it works :-) 07:25:05 <DaleStan> clean should, but that'll delete all sorts of other things that don't need cleaning. 07:25:09 <planetmaker> thanks 07:25:15 <DaleStan> The new readinfo.o.d shouldn't have any reference to the boost headers. 07:25:33 <planetmaker> no boost anymore? 07:26:27 <planetmaker> he. make clean doesn't delete *.d 07:26:40 <DaleStan> No, I just informed gcc that boost qualifies as a system header, and that system headers aren't to be mentioned. 07:26:43 <planetmaker> ^ that's why make cleanfailed 07:26:45 <planetmaker> I guess 07:27:08 <planetmaker> aeolusreloaded:~/ottd/grfdev/grfcodec ingo$ make clean 07:27:10 <planetmaker> rm -rf *.o *.os *.bin grfcodec grfdiff grfmerge bundle bundles 07:27:33 <DaleStan> Ah. Yes. I was getting annoyed always rebuilding *.o.d when switching between -mcygwin and -mno-cygwin. 07:28:16 <planetmaker> deleting them sounds like a good idea, though :-) 07:28:33 <DaleStan> mrproper will delete *.o.d 07:28:39 <planetmaker> or maybe adding another target like proper... ok 07:29:23 <DaleStan> It will also delete everything else except *.local that's not under version control. Or it should, anyway. 07:30:38 <planetmaker> Just for curiosity: is that distinction between clean and mrproper some kind of standard or convention? 07:31:14 <planetmaker> that said... I still have a lot of files which svn st shows as ? after mrproper 07:31:54 <planetmaker> rm -f *.d .rev version.h grfmrg.c version.h.tmp <-- but I guess that suffices 07:31:59 *** xmakina [~xmakina@87.115.49.116.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 07:32:05 <DaleStan> OK, "All files possibly generated by make that are not under version control, including ignored files" 07:32:07 <DaleStan> I copied it from ttdpatch. So probably not. 07:32:36 <planetmaker> ah :-) 07:33:08 <planetmaker> btw, what about an additional target like "install" 07:33:25 <planetmaker> which then installs the binaries in the proper path (set in Makefile.local)? 07:33:56 <planetmaker> I could provide a patch which does that, even with some intelligence concerning paths on mac and linux. 07:34:00 <planetmaker> windows is... difficult 07:34:23 <planetmaker> there's no such thing as a default binary path there. 07:35:03 <DaleStan> C:\windows is always in the path, AFAIK. But I can fiddle with that. 07:35:16 <planetmaker> as every time I built the binaries I usually do a sudo cp <binary> /usr/local/bin 07:41:03 <planetmaker> hm... my OS detection depends on - again - "uname -s". 07:42:18 <planetmaker> I guess $(EXE) could be re-used, though 07:46:31 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@81.158.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 07:49:09 <planetmaker> DaleStan: http://pastebin.com/m73630ee6 <-- diff for grfcodec 07:50:56 <planetmaker> DaleStan: http://pastebin.com/m7a070d77 <-- better that. I forgot to svn up. And the -MG is still in there 07:54:47 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.74.135] has joined #openttd 07:54:50 <DaleStan> Then there's the Cygwin and MinGW question: Do I install for Windows, or only for the hosted Linux work-like? 07:55:05 <andythenorth> morning 07:55:47 <planetmaker> morning andythenorth 07:55:49 <DaleStan> I guess I need to see if I can figure out how to access the host with MinGW. 07:55:54 <DaleStan> Morning. 07:56:03 <andythenorth> I am working out a range for ship sizes. 07:56:10 <andythenorth> Smallest useful size? 10t? 20t? 07:56:12 <planetmaker> DaleStan: well... having it accessible in both is best, I guess. 07:56:41 <planetmaker> but I'm using - when in my windows VM - the usual dos command line. And there I just have the usual windows paths (+ mingw / msys) 07:56:59 <DaleStan> Except in the case where Cygwin builds a binary that won't run outside of Cygwin. That case is obvious. 07:57:12 <planetmaker> having it thus in the cygwin / mingw binary path will do as it's then available under windows, too 07:57:26 <planetmaker> ah, ok. I haven't used cygwin. So I didn't know 07:58:13 <OsteHovel> I feel that Mingw is a better way than Cygwin becouse you need the cygwin dll's 07:58:16 <planetmaker> andythenorth: I commited some changes to fish, so that it is sort-of configured 07:58:27 <andythenorth> planetmaker: thanks 07:58:44 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:58:45 <planetmaker> andythenorth: you could just start to add code to header.pnfo and / or add additional pnfos in ids.pnfo 07:58:58 <planetmaker> It might also need adjustment of the grf name etc 07:59:02 <planetmaker> but that should be obvious 07:59:19 <planetmaker> I just put in something which ... makes a little sense, but not too much ;-) 07:59:51 <Rubidium> morning 08:00:02 <planetmaker> moin Rubidium 08:00:06 <andythenorth> morning 08:00:18 <andythenorth> largest useful ship size? I am thinking 1200t 08:00:38 <planetmaker> would be huge but for a starter sounds reasonable. 08:00:42 <planetmaker> after all ships are large 08:00:55 <Rubidium> looks like DaleStan committed in time for the compile run 08:01:09 <planetmaker> :-) 08:01:17 <planetmaker> that's about now soon? 08:01:38 <Rubidium> 05:37 <@DorpsGek> CompileFarm: grfcodec (r2167) completed. 08:01:38 <Rubidium> 06:12 <@DorpsGek> CompileFarm: nforenum (r2168) completed. 08:01:49 <Rubidium> so ~4 hours ago 08:01:56 <planetmaker> ah :-) 08:03:06 <OsteHovel> Can someone be so nice for me and tell me the big diffrence between 0.7 and 0.7.2? 08:03:29 <DaleStan> Have you read the changelog? 08:04:17 <OsteHovel> Nope 08:04:18 <OsteHovel> ;P 08:04:36 <OsteHovel> Are it posible to read it withouth dling the packaes or source? 08:04:36 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 08:04:53 <OsteHovel> (im on a mobile connection right now and it aint realy fast...) 08:05:13 <planetmaker> OsteHovel: yes, it is. Go to vcs.openttd.org 08:05:29 <Rubidium> OsteHovel: you never noticed the "changelog" link on the download page? 08:07:57 <OsteHovel> nope i havent, im sorry for asking a so STUPID question 08:08:15 <OsteHovel> (and i forgot that i just can use "svn changelog" in console(im using linux) 08:08:48 <Rubidium> planetmaker: can you test whether http://rbijker.net/openttd/grfcodec-custom-r2167.zip and http://rbijker.net/openttd/nforenum-custom-r2169.zip work with rosetta? 08:09:19 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:10:25 <planetmaker> both segfault 08:10:33 <OsteHovel> ;( thats a bad thing 08:11:00 <Rubidium> planetmaker: hmm, also with a simple '-h' ? 08:11:19 <planetmaker> have to check. I just unpacked and double clicked the binary 08:11:46 <planetmaker> renum, yes 08:12:00 <Rubidium> planetmaker: does http://rbijker.net/openttd/openttd-custom-r17030-OSX.zip work? (to rule out the compiler) 08:14:30 <planetmaker> Rubidium: that openttd binary successfully loaded one of my savegames 08:15:53 <Rubidium> hmm, guess I need someone with a real PPC proc and OSX to test the grfcodec/nforenum binaries ;) 08:17:30 <planetmaker> he :-P 08:17:36 <Alberth> good morning 08:17:46 <planetmaker> moin Alberth 08:18:28 <Alberth> you replied and my desktop crashed :p 08:18:56 <planetmaker> har har. Damn. Installation of root kit didn't go unnoticed. 08:23:12 <Rubidium> planetmaker: do the PPC nforenum/grfcodec binaries from OTTDcoop work for you? 08:23:15 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95.89.121.65] has joined #openttd 08:23:28 <planetmaker> Rubidium: sure. I compiled them 08:23:42 <Rubidium> planetmaker: but they run in rosetta? 08:23:43 <planetmaker> on this computer. But andythenorth told me that they don't work for him 08:24:45 <planetmaker> What was it again how I could tell? 08:25:14 <planetmaker> I mean... why should they, if I'm on an intel machine... 08:26:21 <OsteHovel> If you need to test OSX binaries on a real PPC aint it posible to use a Emualtor?(If noone got a PPC machine) 08:26:28 <OsteHovel> *Emulator 08:26:41 <Rubidium> OsteHovel: OSX doesn't like emulators 08:26:49 <planetmaker> OsteHovel: Rosetta IS the emulator... kind of 08:27:17 <OsteHovel> You got a Intel MAC? 08:27:21 <planetmaker> yes 08:27:27 <Rubidium> so andythenorth ... you're using a PPC Mac? 08:27:41 <andythenorth> ^ no, intel 08:27:50 <planetmaker> I guess it was 10.4 vs .10.5 issue with libraries 08:28:07 <Rubidium> bummer... 08:28:14 <Rubidium> where's Bjarni when you need him 08:28:16 <planetmaker> dihedral: should have one 08:28:44 <planetmaker> a G4 macbook wasn't available with intel processor 08:29:11 <planetmaker> where's dihedral when one could need him? ;-) 08:29:53 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:32:25 <OsteHovel> Always when you need somebody they not there 08:33:14 <planetmaker> andythenorth: but as you have another system... you might want to try nevertheless. Maybe both, Rubidium and mine, the latest ones. 08:34:14 <andythenorth> I have Leopard 10.5.7 on a 2.5 intel core duo 2 - if that's any help?? 08:34:41 <planetmaker> at least I'd like to know whether the dmg might work for you which I produced yesterday 08:34:45 <Rubidium> planetmaker: talking about testing Intel or PPC binaries? 08:34:59 <planetmaker> both :-) 08:35:27 <planetmaker> In the case of your binaries: whether the ppc one works. In case of mine: whether bundle_dmg levies the library issues 08:35:29 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DF570.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:35:44 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/grfcodec-custom-r2167.zip <- PPC with gcc 4.2, http://rbijker.net/openttd/grfcodec-custom-r2170.zip <- PPC with gcc 4.0 08:36:06 <Rubidium> http://binaries.openttd.org/extra/grfcodec/r2167/grfcodec-r2167-macosx-i686.zip <- Intel with gcc 4.0 08:36:25 <planetmaker> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/grfdev/nforenum/nforenum_r2166_macTiger.dmg <-- the dmg I produced. 08:41:00 <OsteHovel> Do someone here know how to test IPv6 connectivity becouse i got a server connected directly to internet so it got both a IPv4 and IPv6 adress, how can i test IPv6? 08:41:24 <Rubidium> OsteHovel: step 1) download openttd-trunk 08:41:52 <OsteHovel> thats not hard 08:42:00 <Rubidium> step 2) open the multiplayer window and see if "AutoNightly IPv6 Server / EoD" is there 08:42:04 <OsteHovel> ok ;D 08:42:58 <Rubidium> or whether you see an unresolved IPv6 address in the list 08:44:16 <Rubidium> (I can't connect to it at the moment so for me it shows up as an unresolved IPv6 address) 08:45:01 <Rubidium> oh, another thing is: go to openttd.org. If the logo (the $) says IPv6 next to is you're using IPv6 08:45:24 <Rubidium> or ping6 www.openttd.org 08:48:39 <OsteHovel> ok 08:51:57 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has joined #openttd 08:56:59 <OsteHovel> I diddent work ;( with ping6 08:57:17 <Rubidium> then you're likely not using IPv6 08:57:33 <OsteHovel> that was i touth too 08:58:46 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has joined #openttd 09:06:14 *** xmakina [~xmakina@87.115.49.116.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [] 09:07:24 *** xmakina [~xmakina@87.115.49.116.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 09:12:31 <OsteHovel> Yeee 09:12:35 <OsteHovel> I got it worrking 09:12:50 <OsteHovel> Using Hurricane Electric's free IPv6 Tunneling 09:16:43 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 09:17:01 <Rubidium> salut Yexo 09:17:13 <Yexo> morning Rubidium 09:17:52 <planetmaker> moin Yexo 09:19:04 <Yexo> hi planetmaker 09:28:41 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.74.135] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:29:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75A61.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:29:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75A61.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:31:06 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 09:33:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.74.135] has joined #openttd 09:38:25 *** PeterT [~Peter@217.20.134.23] has joined #openttd 09:38:43 <planetmaker> hm... 09:38:55 <planetmaker> error 404 when I tried to log in into translator 09:39:20 <planetmaker> or rather when I entered my credentials, the next page showing was the 404 09:40:38 <planetmaker> but obviously I entered the correct credentials as the website shows me as logged in and after going to development and then clicking on webtranslator, I don't need to log in 09:41:34 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:44:48 *** PeterT [~Peter@217.20.134.23] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:45:43 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75A61.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:46:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75A61.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:46:06 <TrueBrain> [00:39] <Eddi|zuHause> a friend had an article about reviving graphics cards by putting them into the oven at 100?C for 30 minutes, could that work with mainboards, too? <- omg ... he didn't really say that, did he? :s :p :p 09:46:19 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: known, browser fucking up redirecting .. shit happens :) 09:46:39 <planetmaker> he... ok. I added a FS entry right this moment 09:51:37 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75A61.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:52:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75A61.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:58:06 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:00:01 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 10:03:43 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@81.158.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has left #openttd [] 10:13:09 *** Forconin [~forconin@s0033-0002.dsl.start.no] has quit [Quit: reboot] 10:14:18 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c399e.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:20:21 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@81.158.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 10:21:12 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@81.158.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [] 10:24:07 <frosch123> hmm, fireworks at 12:25 :s 10:24:43 <Rubidium> yeah, why not? 10:24:55 <Rubidium> otherwise it wakes the elderly 10:25:22 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B823D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:27:24 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B839A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:27:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:41:07 <TrueBrain> ARGH! Why does my speaker set pickup a radio station 10:41:09 <TrueBrain> why :( 10:41:13 <TrueBrain> it is fucking annoying 10:41:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75A61.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:42:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75A61.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:43:04 <LadyHawk> lmao 10:43:14 <LadyHawk> i had that in holland 10:43:27 <LadyHawk> like very quiet music going through your speakers for no reason 10:43:53 <TrueBrain> the reason why is very simple 10:43:56 <TrueBrain> the soluton ... much less 10:44:04 <TrueBrain> I wish they would stop doing analog transmissions :p 10:44:29 <LadyHawk> ah =P 10:48:34 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-544572aa.lns6-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:51:15 <valhallasw> TrueBrain: increase the output volume on your computer and decrease it on your speaker set? :P 10:52:11 <TrueBrain> valhallasw: it doesn't depend on the volume of my amp 10:52:24 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:52:24 <TrueBrain> it runs on its own power :p Stupid airwaves :p 10:52:55 <valhallasw> oh, the pickup happens in the speaker cables? 10:53:26 <valhallasw> sounds reasonable as the input cables are probably shielded :P 10:53:43 <TrueBrain> input is fiber :p 10:54:07 <valhallasw> right :P 10:59:06 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:59:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17031 /extra/ottd_grf/split/ (airports.pcx flags.pcx openttdgui.pcx): [OTTD_GRF] -Fix: warnings about pure white sprites; make them 'unpure' white (FCFCFC) 11:00:48 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.191.144] has joined #openttd 11:04:40 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 11:21:31 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has joined #openttd 11:25:46 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@81.158.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 11:26:27 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@81.158.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has left #openttd [] 11:26:31 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@81.158.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 11:27:20 <TrueBrain> there is a fly on my screen - oh no, it is my mouse 11:30:42 <frosch123> never smash something on your screen 11:32:35 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@81.158.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: null] 11:32:55 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@81.158.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 11:33:10 <TrueBrain> OsteHovel: can you make up your mind? Staying or not? :) 11:40:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17032 /extra/ottd_grf/ (COPYING split/openttd.nfo): [OTTD_GRF] -Fix: make it more clear how the GRFs are licensed (if it would be downloaded as something separate) 11:41:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17033 /extra/ottd_grf/ (Makefile split/shore.nfo): 11:41:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [OTTD_GRF] -Fix: grfcodec warning about number of sprites (0 instead of X) by using nforenum 11:41:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [OTTD_GRF] -Fix: nforenum warning about wrong number of sprites for shores; it's a special-special case, so disable the warning 11:43:20 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-131-58-175.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:44:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17034 /trunk/bin/data/ (5 files): -Update: openttd[dw].grf from ottd grf. 11:45:53 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47:48 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@81.158.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: null] 11:48:05 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@81.158.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 11:49:57 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-156-72-245.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:53:56 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@81.158.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: null] 11:55:44 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 12:00:17 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:01:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-5-190.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 12:05:17 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@81.158.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 12:06:23 <TrueBrain> @kban OsteHovel 60 please come back if you have the intentions to stay; thank you. 12:06:24 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~OsteHovel@81.158.16.62.customer.cdi.no] by DorpsGek 12:06:24 *** OsteHovel was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [please come back if you have the intentions to stay; thank you.] 12:07:26 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~OsteHovel@81.158.16.62.customer.cdi.no] by DorpsGek 12:11:33 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: WT3.1 is going to have support for adding cases, right? 12:11:47 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I sure hope so :) 12:11:50 <TrueBrain> oh, I forgot to tell you 12:11:56 <TrueBrain> I redirected a user to you to add him a case 12:12:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17035 /trunk/src/lang/turkish.txt: -Add: case to Turkish 12:12:17 <Rubidium> didn't know you redirected him ;) 12:12:25 *** OsteHovel^PDA [~OsteHovel@32-144-8.connect.netcom.no] has joined #openttd 12:12:29 <TrueBrain> now you do ;) 12:12:40 <OsteHovel^PDA> Ye i found out the client was useless 12:12:49 <OsteHovel^PDA> using another one now 12:13:02 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:13:58 <TrueBrain> from 1:09 to 0:44 12:14:06 <TrueBrain> it is getting into an acceptable range, my import :) 12:14:23 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:17:17 <OsteHovel^PDA> I hope i diddent cause too much damage 12:19:07 <valhallasw> nah, just a dozen joins/parts :p 12:19:25 <valhallasw> parts and/or quits 12:19:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.169.118] has joined #openttd 12:22:31 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 12:26:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.160.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:34:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r17036 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: Split price bases from economy.cpp to table/pricebase.h. 12:37:05 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@81.158.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 12:37:15 *** OsteHovel^EEE is now known as OsteHovel^Atom 12:37:59 <OsteHovel^Atom> What IRC clients do you guys use? (I use Xchat on windows & Linux, and PocketIRC on Windows Mobile) 12:41:02 <xmakina> OsteHovel^Atom: mIRC 12:41:11 <OsteHovel^Atom> ;D 12:41:23 <TrueBrain> why would one even want to use IRC on its mobile .. 12:41:34 <OsteHovel^Atom> Ooo long time since i update last time, that was back in march 12:42:03 <OsteHovel^Atom> (when you have a pda with keyboard and unlimited data plan you need have something to do sometimes) 12:42:25 <TrueBrain> it is the most useless invention, as your connection drops more often than apples fall from a tree 12:42:30 <OsteHovel^Atom> Hmm 12:42:34 <OsteHovel^Atom> That depend on what client you use 12:42:35 <OsteHovel^Atom> ;p 12:42:50 <OsteHovel^Atom> I was testing out Talkonaut with XMPP gateway IRC ;P 12:42:54 <OsteHovel^Atom> and that dident whent so good 12:43:10 <TrueBrain> next time, test on some other channel, and don't bug us with your endless joins and leaves 12:43:15 <OsteHovel^Atom> true 12:43:20 <OsteHovel^Atom> it will not be a nexttime 12:43:46 <OsteHovel^Atom> the problem what that i coudent see that i even was leaving/joining this channel it was like i was into it all the time 12:44:37 <OsteHovel^Atom> But it was useless anyway so, im back to the good old PocketIRC that never reconnects if it loses its connection but it does not loose its connection often either(only when your battery runs out)) 12:45:01 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.74.135] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:45:33 <OsteHovel^Atom> (compiinging the newest trunk of svn on my sucky laptop that has a 1.6 ghz cpu, and it takes AGES...) 12:45:43 <OsteHovel^Atom> (but its worth it becouse openttd is SOO GOOD) 12:47:44 <OsteHovel^Atom> Do the donated cash only go to hold the servers up and running or do some of it goes to the developer of this GOOD game? 12:48:01 <TrueBrain> for now it is only to keep our services up and running 12:48:12 <planetmaker> OsteHovel^Atom, xchat works here. Stable 24/7 12:48:33 <planetmaker> way more stable than firefox. 12:48:34 <OsteHovel^Atom> ;D xchat has never crashed for me ;D 12:48:37 <planetmaker> Or kde itself actually 12:48:40 <OsteHovel^Atom> hehe 12:48:44 <OsteHovel^Atom> way more stable the opera too 12:48:53 <OsteHovel^Atom> than* 12:49:14 <OsteHovel^Atom> gonna donate some of the cash i got left 12:51:08 <TrueBrain> much appreciated :) 12:51:53 <OsteHovel^Atom> (doante finished) 12:52:30 <planetmaker> I tried twice... I don't use paypal and they don't accept a credit card without registering at that damned company 12:52:38 <planetmaker> And I'll rather go to hell than register with paypal. 12:52:45 <OsteHovel^Atom> hehe 12:53:04 <OsteHovel^Atom> i use paypal and i got my credit card registered (i know its a bad company but it works) 12:53:21 <OsteHovel^Atom> tried Bank transfer ? 12:53:24 <planetmaker> I won't register there. Least with my credit card. 12:53:38 <planetmaker> Owen tried to always talk me into using that... 12:53:57 <planetmaker> ... insisting that it works without paypal account. But I didn't figure. 12:54:09 <xmakina> planetmaker - they can't recklessly steal your money - the most evil thing they do is freeze accounts linked to stolen credit cards 12:54:11 *** gasol [~gasol@84.218.50.225] has joined #openttd 12:54:14 <OsteHovel^Atom> what country do you live in? 12:54:18 <planetmaker> DE 12:54:21 <OsteHovel^Atom> hmm 12:54:24 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.74.135] has joined #openttd 12:54:39 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-144-20-57.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:54:46 <planetmaker> xmakina, I don't care what they do. If I'm not a customer of them, they cannot do anything. 12:54:54 <OsteHovel^Atom> i did think they accepted withouth registered 12:55:02 <planetmaker> I just read enought that I know that I don't want business of any kind with them. 12:55:05 <OsteHovel^Atom> i only got my credit card(not debet) registered there 12:55:20 <OsteHovel^Atom> so i can get my money back if they even wanna to try to scam me 12:55:26 <planetmaker> OsteHovel^Atom, maybe it's a shortcoming on my part. But then I just didn't figure out how. 12:55:31 <OsteHovel^Atom> hmm 12:55:47 <OsteHovel^Atom> i will try to read on their complicated webpae 12:56:01 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.74.135] has quit [] 12:57:02 <planetmaker> on the other hand, my bank is bad, too: I cannot do international money transfer online :-( 12:57:17 <planetmaker> I need to go there in person. 12:57:18 <OsteHovel^Atom> ;( 12:57:35 *** Chruker [~no@0x5da34ce4.vjnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:57:57 <OsteHovel^Atom> And for registering your credit card at paypal also takes time 12:57:57 <OsteHovel^Atom> ;p 12:58:58 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd624.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 12:59:06 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 12:59:15 <OsteHovel^Atom> its hopeless to find any information on their page 13:01:50 <OsteHovel^Atom> planetmaker: If you nice i found this picture in the screenshots part of the openttd page and since you live in DE i touth you coud transelate the 2 last lines at the bottom right of the picture: http://media.openttd.org/images/screens/InTheNews/gamestar.png 13:02:07 <OsteHovel^Atom> Do it says that openttd has problems with 64-bit? 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:) 13:18:10 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.74.135] has joined #openttd 13:18:44 <TrueBrain> I mean .. you can run 32bit apps on a 64bit system, but on a 32bit system you can't run 64bit apps 13:18:50 <TrueBrain> does this mean it is not downward compatbile? 13:19:03 <Ammler> yes, this is. 13:19:24 <Ammler> so translated it would mean, you can join ipv4 servers with ipv6 13:19:42 <TrueBrain> FFFF::<ipv4> is a valid IPv6 13:20:05 <TrueBrain> (it depends heavily on your network if you can in fact reach the IPv4, but that is another story I guess 13:20:28 <Ammler> [15:18] <TrueBrain> yup <- so this should be no ;-) 13:20:36 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-131-58-175.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:20:57 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-131-58-175.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:20:59 <TrueBrain> no, I agreed with your statement that you can only join IPv6 servers over an IPv6 connection 13:21:12 <TrueBrain> so it should be 'yup', and I know this because I said 'yup' 13:21:14 <Ammler> it isn't mine :-) 13:22:09 <Ammler> so you need for a time both or some ipv6->ipv4 proxies? 13:22:27 <OwenS> :O 13:22:29 <OwenS> <3 Sun 13:22:35 <OwenS> Solaris rm refuses to do rm -rf / 13:23:15 <Ammler> and why is that good? 13:23:23 *** goodger_ is now known as goodger 13:23:29 <Sacro> iirc you can tell linux not t o 13:23:32 <OwenS> Ammler: Give me one valid reason do do an rm -rf /? 13:24:06 <Rubidium> OwenS: when there are multiple rogue directories of one character in the root 13:24:09 <Ammler> dunno, but if I want do it, why should it refuse? 13:24:32 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:25:00 <OwenS> Because people rarely intend to do it but scripts often do rm -rf $var/$var2, then end up without var and var2 defined 13:26:27 <Alberth> 'set -u' to protect against that in bash :) 13:26:56 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.195.222] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:28:03 <Alberth> is there a simple way to get the AI debug window opened? 13:28:21 <TrueBrain> click on the menu :p 13:28:22 <Ammler> start without ai 13:28:23 <TrueBrain> hehe 13:28:45 <Yexo> start an AI with empty start function 13:29:01 <Yexo> or load a savegame with such an AI 13:29:30 <Rubidium> remove all AIs and start one 13:29:58 <Alberth> price for the best solution goes to Ammler and Rubidium :) 13:30:47 *** tdev [~udev@p508EAB60.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:31:32 *** Azrael [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:31:38 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd624.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31:40 <Rubidium> hmm, I think I've added the 1905 dependencies in the wrong order :( 13:31:58 <OsteHovel^Atom> ;( 13:32:44 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:11 <Alberth> I can solve them the other way around :) 13:34:23 <OsteHovel^Atom> a good benchmarking tool of cpu is infact to compile openttd ;D 13:35:28 <Rubidium> there, reversed the dependencies ;) 13:35:32 <Alberth> you should take something, like KDE or gcc :p 13:35:41 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:37:30 <Rubidium> grr... my laptop doesn't like water cooling... stupid rain! 13:37:38 <TrueBrain> rain? 13:37:39 <LadyHawk> lmao! 13:37:48 <LadyHawk> oh wait, that's not funny 13:37:57 <TrueBrain> LadyHawk: yes it is 13:38:01 <LadyHawk> lol 13:41:08 <OsteHovel^Atom> ;P 13:45:04 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.74.135] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:48:42 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.74.135] has joined #openttd 13:48:45 <OsteHovel^Atom> Hmm do anyone of you know how to force SDl to use a spesific output mode? 13:49:52 <Rubidium> using environment variables 13:49:53 <OsteHovel^Atom> no worries i found out 13:51:29 <TrueBrain> you have the tendancy to ask a question and have a second later the answer .. maybe you should delay the asking part 13:51:34 <OsteHovel^Atom> true 13:51:35 <OsteHovel^Atom> ;p 13:51:42 <OsteHovel^Atom> or maybe not ask at all and try to ask google insted 13:51:55 <Rubidium> that's still asking 13:56:17 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 13:56:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r17037 /trunk/src/ (economy.cpp economy_type.h table/pricebase.h): -Fix (r17036): 'Polygonal Capabilities' are a core feature of windows. 13:57:46 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-5-190.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17038 /trunk/src/network/network_content.cpp: -Fix (r17015): don't download the stuff we already have 13:58:44 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95.89.121.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:07 <OsteHovel^Atom> Its sooo cool 14:02:15 <OsteHovel^Atom> ive joined the IPv6 server ;D 14:04:18 <OsteHovel^Atom> What compiler do you use to make the MAC binaries for OpenTTD? 14:05:39 <TrueBrain> gcc 14:10:09 <OwenS> Is there any choice besides GCC and LLVM-GCC? :p 14:11:01 <Rubidium> yes, build your own compiler 14:13:31 <OwenS> I suppose maybe TCC? :p 14:15:48 <Rubidium> unlikely 14:16:58 <OwenS> Now you have made me curious as to whether OpenTTD builds with Open64... 14:17:15 <Rubidium> that's very well untested 14:18:51 <OwenS> AMD Open64, SunCC... I could have a field day of testing with weird compilers :p 14:22:03 <OsteHovel^Atom> someone tested icc (intels compiler)? 14:22:28 <planetmaker> someone did. 14:22:34 <planetmaker> The commit log tells you who :-P 14:26:24 <OsteHovel^Atom> ooo look what i found: 14:26:25 <OsteHovel^Atom> r16298 | rubidium | 2009-05-13 19:46:41 +0200 (on., 13 mai 2009) | 2 lines 14:26:25 <OsteHovel^Atom> -Change: silence some pointless/unsolveable ICC warnings/remarks (multicharacter character literal potential unportable/autovectorised this loop) 14:27:10 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 14:27:52 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-144-20-57.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:36 <Rubidium> and it warns again; can't be bothered to fix it though 14:30:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-5-190.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:42 <OsteHovel^Atom> hehe 14:31:50 <OsteHovel^Atom> you use ICC as default? 14:32:11 <Rubidium> no 14:33:26 <Rubidium> though over night I run a script that updates gcc-trunk, gcc-4.4, gcc-lto, llvm and after that compiles a few repositories with those compilers 14:34:14 <OsteHovel^Atom> ;D 14:45:23 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has joined #openttd 14:52:47 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-131-58-175.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:54:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17039 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r16988): segfault when removing rail with waypoint remover and vice versa 15:08:24 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-131-58-175.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:08:32 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:01 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has joined #openttd 15:13:48 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-149-127-97.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:14:08 <OwenS> Hallelujah for spare routers 15:25:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-183-230.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 15:26:19 *** OwenSX48BD [~oshepherd@host86-128-47-195.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:26:27 *** OwenS is now known as Guest266 15:26:27 *** OwenSX48BD is now known as owens 15:26:32 *** owens is now known as OwenS 15:28:57 <OwenS> OK 15:29:08 <OwenS> Hallelujah for spare routers, but expect some funny business? O_o 15:30:08 <OwenS> "DownStream Connection Speed 224 kbps" Though I wasn't expecting *that* kind of funny business 15:30:21 <TrueBrain> poor OwenS 15:30:45 <OwenS> I think my connection issues may be explained by the fact that my BT router just died however 15:32:54 *** Guest266 [~oshepherd@host86-149-127-97.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:56:41 *** OsteHovel^PDA [~OsteHovel@32-144-8.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57:49 <OsteHovel^Atom> You use BlueTooth for internet? 16:00:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly certain he meant "British Telecom" 16:00:27 <OsteHovel^Atom> Aaaa 16:00:27 <OsteHovel^Atom> ;P 16:00:28 <OsteHovel^Atom> Lol 16:00:29 <OsteHovel^Atom> ;P 16:00:33 <OsteHovel^Atom> Im so stupid sometimes 16:00:42 <TrueBrain> I couldn't have said it better myself 16:02:30 *** Chruker [~no@0x5da34ce4.vjnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:53 <Ammler> and you aren't alone :-) 16:05:33 <TrueBrain> Ammler: you feel yourself included in that group of stupid people? :) 16:05:45 <Ammler> yes, very much. 16:05:56 <TrueBrain> hihi 16:05:58 <TrueBrain> you are silly 16:06:00 <Ammler> well "sometimes" 16:06:11 <TrueBrain> you sometimes feel yourself included 16:06:15 <TrueBrain> but other times you don't? 16:06:16 <Ammler> :P 16:06:20 <TrueBrain> you can't play both ways 16:08:35 <Eddi|zuHause> so... the HDD works again, but the question is for how long? 16:08:45 <TrueBrain> 5 minutes, 3 seconds and 12 msec 16:08:50 <TrueBrain> give or take 16:08:58 <Eddi|zuHause> there are 425GB on there, and i only have 290GB free on the other devices 16:09:18 <TrueBrain> so time to buy a new HD :p 16:09:28 <TrueBrain> can I suggest a WD 1 TB 32mb cache? 16:09:31 <TrueBrain> external, if you prefer 16:09:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i did that already 16:09:36 <Eddi|zuHause> half a year ago 16:09:53 <Eddi|zuHause> it's already full ;) 16:10:37 <OwenS> TrueBrain: WD? I agree. 16:10:52 <OwenS> By choice I'll always pick WD hard disks 16:10:53 <TrueBrain> all ours servers run on WD .. rarely any problems :) 16:11:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i agree... 16:11:13 <OwenS> I have a many year old 16GB WD here, thats still working fine 16:11:17 <TrueBrain> (and we use the RAID III, so you can expect a bit of quality I guess ;)) 16:11:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i'll never buy anything else again 16:11:35 <OwenS> Seagate 80GB has died on me 16:11:36 <Ammler> RAID III doesn't need quality ;-) 16:11:58 <TrueBrain> Ammler: this being one of those moments you feel included, I guess? 16:12:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i have 80MB WD here, but i don't know if it still works ;) 16:12:13 <Ammler> well, you need good disks, if you don't use RAID 16:12:36 <OwenS> You want good disks with RAID anyway 16:12:46 <TrueBrain> Ammler: LOL! Yeah ... maybe for your workstation; besides that, it is a typo of disk WD produces 16:12:51 <Ammler> but that isn't a sign of quality 16:12:55 <TrueBrain> typo = type 16:12:58 <Eddi|zuHause> so... i have about 150GB in unconverted videos and 150GB in uncut videos... i really need get them done... 16:13:03 <Eddi|zuHause> +to 16:13:38 <TrueBrain> Ammler: http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=503 16:13:40 <TrueBrain> those to be exact 16:13:44 <TrueBrain> they have a MUCH higher MMTF 16:13:51 <TrueBrain> MTBF 16:13:54 <TrueBrain> sigh, typing is so hard today 16:14:03 <Eddi|zuHause> must be the weather 16:14:38 <OwenS> I love how all hard disk pictures are taken with the cover off 16:14:57 <TrueBrain> last time I opened a HD here to show my roommates how it looked 16:15:00 <TrueBrain> they were more than suprised 16:15:24 <Ammler> my private server runs without RAID since aroud 5 years from time to time, I add a a disk to the LVM 16:15:54 <TrueBrain> Ammler: not using RAID for servers is not an option 16:16:01 <TrueBrain> that is stupid, in a category I don't even want to start talking about :) 16:16:01 <Ammler> agree 16:16:53 * TrueBrain picks up to phone and calls a random customer: "yes, sorry sir, all your data was lost because one disk crashed. Yes, we do have backups, but they are 48 hours old. I hope it is not a problem that you lost 150 very important emails and all your customer orders of the last 48 hours? No? Pfew. Well, good day" 16:16:55 <OwenS> Anyone else wonder what the profit model is for Gravatar? :p 16:16:59 <Ammler> well, the server is just an even older desktop 16:17:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17040 /trunk/src/lang/ (45 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#3081]: inconsistency between signs of stations and waypoints 16:17:36 <TrueBrain> OwenS: none, I guess? 16:17:41 <Ammler> my backup for those data is the Internet ;-) 16:17:52 <OwenS> TrueBrain: I guess the same :p 16:17:52 <KenjiE20> OwenS: not really, it obviously comes off the back or moveabletype's revenue 16:18:07 <Rubidium> the "1) X, 2) ???, 3) profit"-model 16:18:08 <TrueBrain> obviously, yes 16:18:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i have "backup" as well, but not for the uncut and unconverted recordings 16:18:22 <OwenS> KenjiE20: You mean Automaitc, aka wordpress.com 16:18:27 <KenjiE20> yea them 16:18:41 <KenjiE20> whichever, they pretty closely tied now 16:19:00 <OwenS> Yes. But it's still entirely a loss maker! 16:19:26 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a gravatar and a moveabletype? 16:20:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i feel like i'm getting old and these young people talk about their version of a "computer" (who needs this modern shit anyways?) 16:21:17 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently, my great-grandmother was afraid of washing machines 16:21:48 <OwenS> Movable Type: 1 of the first blogging platforms 16:21:55 <OwenS> Gravatar: www.gravatar.com 16:22:06 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:22:22 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what i'm telling... i'm afraid of blogs :p 16:22:42 * KenjiE20 doesn't blog on his blog :P 16:23:51 <KenjiE20> blog is a daft phrase anyway, it's just reverse chornological posts, which is pretty much every site ever 16:24:47 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it needs a fancy 2.0 name 16:24:59 * KenjiE20 wanders back to poking review text into readable-ness 16:24:59 <Eddi|zuHause> else it isn't hip 16:26:25 <OwenS> Out of curiosity... Anyone know of a Linux tool which will listen for RIP advertisements and add them to it's routing table? :p 16:26:57 <andythenorth> grr cargo refits 16:26:59 <Rubidium> why did they use that TLA? 16:29:33 <andythenorth> how can I ensure a vehicle is refittable to *all* cargos? 16:29:48 <andythenorth> I have FF FF for refittable cargo classes 16:30:03 <andythenorth> I have 00 00 for non-refittable classes 16:30:17 <andythenorth> I have 00 00 00 00 for cargo types available for refitting 16:30:24 <andythenorth> I have FF for cargo type 16:30:44 <andythenorth> This seems to work, but I have no quick way of proving it 16:30:54 <andythenorth> (for all sets that define cargos) 16:31:21 <DaleStan> That works for all cargos that are a member of at least one class. 16:31:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-5-190.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31:49 <DaleStan> Including Pikka's dummy "regearing" cargo. 16:31:56 <andythenorth> hmm 16:32:03 <andythenorth> I have a translation table in this set btw 16:33:03 <Ammler> how long do you keep nightly binaries? 16:35:06 <DaleStan> The translation table does not affect the class-based-refit properties, and since the bitmask makes no changes, any affects the translation table has on it are moot. 16:35:28 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-128-47-195.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:35:47 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-131-58-175.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:36:16 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: a month or so... 16:36:28 <andythenorth> DaleStan: ok thanks. FF 03 seems to exclude Pikka's Gear Ratio cargo. Pikka has explained all of this to me at least once before, but I simply find refitting baroque :| 16:36:54 <Ammler> more so :-) it looks like the cleanup is a manual taks 16:37:10 <Ammler> or 5 monts 16:38:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-5-190.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:57 <andythenorth> 'nother dumb nfo question - when engine pool is active, how does a newgrf disable default TTD vehicles? 16:40:22 <andythenorth> ^^ I never wanted that for HEQS. Ships are different 16:40:39 <DaleStan> I think it doesn't. Not directly, anyway. 16:40:58 <andythenorth> eGRVTS 'does' but maybe not intentionally. 16:41:09 <Ammler> it does, afaik, but you can enable them again 16:41:13 <Rubidium> just replace all ships 16:41:18 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-131-58-175.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:23 <Rubidium> (I think) 16:41:28 <Rubidium> otherwise you've got to ask petern 16:41:37 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-131-58-175.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:41:45 <Ammler> isn't that the reason for the default engine grf 16:42:10 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-131-58-175.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:42:14 <andythenorth> Rubidium: yup if I use ID 01 in my grf, default ship 01 goes away....so that'll do it. 16:45:52 <frosch123> just zero the climate property for all vehicles 16:46:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17041 /trunk/src/graph_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3083] (r14735): graphical glitch with graph key 16:47:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-5-190.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:47:54 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.4.182] has joined #openttd 16:49:32 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-5-190.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:55 <andythenorth> Should modern cargo ships (small coasters and riverboats) be refittable to passengers? 16:52:11 <andythenorth> i.e. what do you guys think? 16:57:03 <Brianetta> I think they should be refittable to restaurants 16:58:09 <planetmaker> andythenorth, why not? 16:58:30 <planetmaker> after all, even the conversion from, say, piece goods to bulk is a similar expensive endeavour 16:59:32 <andythenorth> planetmaker: ok I'll run with it. Wonder if I need to adjust the capacity though. 1200 passengers on a coaster is a lot...even for people smugglers :0 17:00:14 <planetmaker> andythenorth, well. A refit can change capacity, can't it? 17:00:21 <andythenorth> believe so 17:00:22 <planetmaker> I'd go with 1/3 or so. 17:00:30 <planetmaker> or even less. 17:00:43 <andythenorth> given a choice of default cargos, any preference? Coal is the usual 17:01:00 <Rubidium> yeah, stacking of passengers isn't as good as stacking coal 17:01:19 <Rubidium> usually only ~2 meter of people can be stacked 17:04:04 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-149-127-150.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:05:12 <andythenorth> 'Barge Tow' or 'Barge Train' ?? - this is for tug + n barges 17:05:45 <andythenorth> Actually, I think 'Tow Boat' is my favourite 17:10:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i think there should be "water types" like "rail types", so ocean liners couldn't go through rivers or regular channels, and riverboats would have reduced stability on ocean 17:12:52 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: there are speed properties for canals / open ocean 17:13:20 <andythenorth> if we're inventing new types, I think we could make more use of road types ;) 17:13:32 * KenjiE20 pushes the publish button, that'll do for that review I think 17:13:35 <andythenorth> meanwhile, I can limit the speed of canal boats at sea, and vice versa 17:14:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i presume the introduction of road types does not need to be discussed ;) 17:14:39 <andythenorth> ach, unpopular question. I'm *pretty* certain that there is still a limit of 15 ships in current trunk, despite having been told otherwise on the forums 17:14:47 *** OwenSX48BD [~oshepherd@host86-129-10-77.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:14:51 <andythenorth> evidence is that I can't get more than 15 ships to appear in buy menu 17:14:52 <andythenorth> :( 17:15:15 <andythenorth> not complaining, just saying the documentation might be out of sync with the implementation 17:15:19 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-149-127-150.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:22 <Eddi|zuHause> make a bug report and give a sample grf 17:16:43 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the general rule with grf errors, the authors need to tell about them, the developers can't test every corner case 17:18:10 <andythenorth> still testing, might be something I've done 17:18:48 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:21:51 <frosch123> there is no such ship limit anymore 17:22:02 <frosch123> and afaik the canal/ocean speed fraction is ttdp only 17:24:14 <andythenorth> ^^ 'ship limit' non-existent. My fail. 17:24:30 <andythenorth> I can live without the ocean / canal business 17:24:34 *** OwenSX48BD [~oshepherd@host86-129-10-77.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:36:28 <bb10> Will we be able to install openttd with opengfx straight from the installer? :P 17:37:04 <Rubidium> if opengfx is complete enough that might eventually become reality 17:37:17 <Rubidium> although that depends on what installer you're talking about 17:37:33 <Sacro> ho hum 17:37:41 <bb10> the openttd installer 17:38:48 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95.89.121.65] has joined #openttd 17:39:38 <Rubidium> bb10: there are installers (to varying degrees) for different platforms 17:40:07 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95.89.121.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40:09 <Rubidium> e.g. for Debian and Gentoo 17:40:09 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-544572aa.lns6-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:40:43 <Rubidium> and depending on how you install with those systems it might or might not install opengfx 17:40:48 <bb10> win32 and win64 :P 17:41:06 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-544572aa.lns6-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:41:57 <keoz> on gentoo, I could install opengfx without problems 17:41:58 <Rubidium> that installer might get the ability to download OpenGFX, but likely not before it's finished 17:42:17 <keoz> (but using the built-in downloader of openttd) 17:42:20 <Rubidium> keoz: it's in emerge? 17:42:49 <keoz> openttd can be installed via emerge, but opengfx has to be installed manually 17:43:05 <keoz> (i mean, I can do it via the built-in resources downloader) 17:43:31 <Rubidium> keoz: that isn't available if you don't have a base graphics set, like the original graphics or OpenGFX 17:44:24 <bb10> ^ 17:44:30 <Rubidium> and what bb10 asked was "install openttd with opengfx straight from the installer", not "install openttd with the installer and then manually download opengfx and put it in the right place" 17:45:02 <keoz> oh, sorry, didn't read the entire discussion 17:45:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17042 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:45:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 35 changes by arnaullv 17:45:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 3 changes by silentStatic 17:45:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: english_US - 30 changes by agenthh 17:45:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frisian - 133 changes by huddekul 17:45:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 6 changes by Roujin 17:53:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-183-230.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-211-214.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 17:58:03 <TrueBrain> # stop this beat is killing me 17:59:04 <Eddi|zuHause> missing interpunctation 17:59:34 <TrueBrain> there are a lot of things missing here 18:00:12 <Rubidium> yup, my cookie for you has gone missing 18:00:43 <Eddi|zuHause> the word you seek is "eaten" :) 18:00:59 <Rubidium> I am not aware that it has been eaten 18:02:38 <TrueBrain> then where is it?! 18:03:03 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe not by yourself? 18:03:22 <Rubidium> it ascended into a higher plane of existence 18:03:28 <TrueBrain> poor thing 18:03:31 <TrueBrain> I feel sad for it 18:04:29 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0F144.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:09:58 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 18:10:09 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:16:29 *** Azrael is now known as Guest281 18:26:08 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:26:40 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.4.182] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 18:26:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17043 /trunk/src/ai/ai_instance.cpp: -Change [NoAI]: Load the API before compiling an AI script so AIs can subclass API classes and use API constants as part of their own constants 18:28:09 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.4.182] has joined #openttd 18:48:09 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd624.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 18:55:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17044 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Codechange: ai windows use nested widget tree. 19:04:41 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.4.182] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 19:05:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r17045 /trunk/src/train_gui.cpp: -Fix (r16867) [FS#3084]: Also 'p's can be important. 19:05:42 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 19:07:09 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.4.182] has joined #openttd 19:18:55 <andythenorth> nfo...have coded a bunch of ships that will go to a dock, but won't load cargo (which is available). Can't see anything obviously wrong with my code. Help?! 19:20:41 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/entry/sprites/nfo/utility_vessels.pnfo 19:20:58 <Eddi|zuHause> set loading rate to 0? 19:23:33 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: well I've just set loading rate 20, and that seems to solve the problem. I thought prop 07 would default to 10 for ships? Anyway, that seems to be the fix. 19:24:10 <Eddi|zuHause> well, about defaults you have to discuss with the devs and the specs ;) 19:24:56 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, once that was a problem with wagon overrides where the defaults were set to 0 instead of that of the original wagon 19:25:45 <andythenorth> well it solved it thanks ;) 19:28:26 <frosch123> andythenorth: if you use ids above the default (i.e. more than 14?), you have to set _all_ properites 19:28:39 <andythenorth> interesting thanks, that's useful 19:28:46 <frosch123> no defaults :) 19:29:22 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/files 19:29:27 <andythenorth> new ships!! 19:29:41 <andythenorth> 'fraid they are not graphically very interesting :D 19:29:43 *** Svish [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has joined #openttd 19:30:00 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:30:41 *** gasol_ [~gasol@84.218.48.79] has joined #openttd 19:32:32 *** gasol [~gasol@84.218.50.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:34:17 *** Svish [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has quit [] 19:34:21 <TrueBrain> # everytime we touch 19:34:35 <Eddi|zuHause> ieehh... 19:34:36 *** Svish [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has joined #openttd 19:42:02 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.191.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r17046 /trunk/src/newgrf_house.cpp: -Fix (r11411) [FS#3085]: Trigger house trigger 02 only for the north tile. 19:49:27 <TrueBrain> but the sun on the south is so much more pretty! 19:49:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r17047 /trunk/src/newgrf_house.cpp: -Fix: Mark house tiles dirty when triggers were triggered. 19:54:25 *** Svish_ [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has joined #openttd 19:58:41 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.4.182] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 20:01:10 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.4.182] has joined #openttd 20:08:12 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.139.64] has joined #openttd 20:10:57 <Eddi|zuHause> not during summer 20:11:24 <andythenorth> Just *how* many passengers should a large passenger steamer carry? 1200? 1500? 20:11:36 <andythenorth> Real life says up to about 4,000 20:11:39 <TrueBrain> why *how*" 20:11:42 <TrueBrain> why "*how*"? 20:12:07 <andythenorth> good question. no idea, seemed right 20:13:51 <Eddi|zuHause> pherhaps he wanted the pattern to also match "showtime" 20:14:33 <Eddi|zuHause> oh how i hate everything today... 20:17:38 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 20:17:47 <TrueBrain> ./usr/lib64/python2.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py:84: Warning: Field 'revision' doesn't have a default value 20:17:53 <TrueBrain> could it at least tell me WHICH table? :( 20:20:22 *** OsteHovel^Atom [~OsteHovel@81.158.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:45 <Eddi|zuHause> no, error messages are not supposed to be readable 20:24:58 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 20:26:07 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:26:46 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 20:31:50 *** Svish__ [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has joined #openttd 20:31:56 *** Svish [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has quit [Quit: Quit] 20:31:57 *** Svish_ [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has quit [Quit: Quit] 20:32:14 *** Svish__ [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has quit [] 20:32:30 *** Svish [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has joined #openttd 20:32:48 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4eb:69e1:ab99:94b1] has joined #openttd 20:32:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 20:38:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c399e.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39:58 *** xmakina [~xmakina@87.115.49.116.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [] 20:41:19 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:42 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.4.182] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 20:45:10 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.4.182] has joined #openttd 20:45:19 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:52:08 <Eddi|zuHause> so... now i have 100GB that i don't know where to put... that is exactly the same as last time i wanted to send in the HD 21:04:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17048 /trunk/src/airport_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Airport toolbar and airport builder window use nested widgets. 21:05:50 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:07:36 *** Guest281 [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17049 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_tile.hpp: -Fix [NoAI]: documentation of AITile::LevelTiles was wrong 21:08:09 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:08:48 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 21:11:09 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.74.135] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:15:23 <TrueBrain> WT3.1 is getting shape :) Subversion import seems finished :) 21:15:32 *** Osai [~Osai@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:47 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:49 *** gasol_ [~gasol@84.218.48.79] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:17:07 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:17:42 <Yexo> good night 21:17:45 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 21:21:05 *** DPyro [ad4a9c0c@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:21:12 <Ammler> FastBrain 21:21:46 <Eddi|zuHause> how much would it take to teach wt3.1 the civ4 file format? 21:21:54 <Eddi|zuHause> (aka xml) 21:22:02 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: a simple module, I say 21:22:12 <TrueBrain> I prepared the system for it (without really knowing the format, but okay) 21:23:02 *** tneo [~tneo@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:24 *** Svish [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has quit [Quit: Quit] 21:23:44 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.4.182] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.1/20090715094852]] 21:24:15 *** Osai [~Osai@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 21:24:35 *** tneo [~tneo@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 21:25:32 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:28:55 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 21:33:55 *** SmatZ- [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 21:33:58 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:35 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I guess some day soon you should make a ticket at http://www.noaddedsugar.net/ with details on the format 21:42:00 *** Patrick [~quassel@mikearthur.co.uk] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 21:43:12 *** Svish [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has joined #openttd 21:45:56 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: Feature idea: make it 'guess' the format design based on a 'sample' format? 21:47:09 <TrueBrain> why would that be useful? 21:47:17 <TrueBrain> would there ever be a case you don't know the format? 21:47:28 <TrueBrain> "oh, I don't know, is this a gettext format, or openttd format"? :p :) 21:48:12 <Xaroth> no, but why make a module if the system can do that for you? 21:48:24 <TrueBrain> 'make a module'? 21:48:33 <Xaroth> TrueBrain]: Eddi|zuHause: a simple module, I say 21:48:38 *** Svish_ [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has joined #openttd 21:49:00 <TrueBrain> so you want to make a plugin that 'guesses' what format the civ4 stuff comes in? 21:49:13 <Xaroth> no, not a plugin, the system by default 21:49:16 <TrueBrain> LOL! 21:49:27 <TrueBrain> yeah .. lets make a system that selfadjust magicly given a few settings 21:49:33 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: we are not that far in AI design :) 21:49:40 <Xaroth> it's not AI design 21:49:55 <TrueBrain> sorry Xaroth, no system can 'guess' what format OpenTTD is, without very explicit programming it 21:49:57 <TrueBrain> neither for Gettext 21:50:00 <TrueBrain> neither for civ4 21:50:02 <Eddi|zuHause> let's make it automatically parse a video of me reading the texts! 21:50:27 <TrueBrain> you might be able to make something that autosenses XML .. but I doubt that would work 21:50:28 * Xaroth shrugs 21:50:29 <TrueBrain> too many variables 21:50:31 <Rubidium> and translate flawlessly to all thousands of languages known to the ISO 21:50:57 <TrueBrain> it is like making something that can 'guess' the format of a programming language 21:51:06 <TrueBrain> without ever telling it what they are .. so sorry Xaroth, I don't get your suggestion :( 21:51:11 <TrueBrain> (but that might be me at this late hour :)) 21:52:17 <TrueBrain> damn, we have too many languages, takes for ever to do simple manipulations on it :( 21:53:41 <TrueBrain> takes about 1 minute to do a single language from scratch .. 40 minutes to import r7787 :( 21:54:19 *** planetmas [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 21:55:11 *** DPyro [ad4a9c0c@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:55:29 *** Svish [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:30 *** planetmas is now known as planetmaker 21:59:01 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:39 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:09:43 *** Svish_ [~Svish@84.20.108.53] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:13:16 <TrueBrain> good night all 22:18:57 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:50 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-211-214.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:33:35 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75A61.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:54 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75A61.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:57:07 *** Elton04511 [~Delphi@201008145180.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 22:59:05 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:01:10 *** Elton04119 [~Delphi@201008145180.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 23:01:35 *** Elton04119 [~Delphi@201008145180.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:40 *** Elton04511 [~Delphi@201008145180.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:07:35 *** tdev [~udev@p508EAB60.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 23:07:36 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:13:43 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-5-190.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 23:14:21 *** Elton09060 [~Delphi@201008145180.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 23:15:41 *** Elton09060 [~Delphi@201008145180.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:22:59 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 23:29:12 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:29:26 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@BAE9705.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 23:33:45 *** Elton08918 [~Delphi@201008145180.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 23:34:05 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77C5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:11 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DF570.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Raubgut ist vom Umtausch ausgeschlossen!] 23:35:12 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd624.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75A61.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:41:01 *** Elton08918 [~Delphi@201008145180.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:50:29 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-544572aa.lns6-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:51:18 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B839A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. 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