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Log for #openttd on 10th September 2009:
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00:04:47  <Fast2> Good Night
00:04:59  <SmatZ> good night, Fast2
00:05:27  <Fast2> Thanks
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00:36:44  <PeterT> @seen yorick
00:36:44  <DorpsGek> PeterT: yorick was last seen in #openttd 7 weeks, 1 day, 3 hours, 45 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <yorick> also, don't listen to me
00:37:12  <SmatZ> is he banned?
00:37:43  *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~BlackCrys@201.170.185.175.dsl.dyn.telnor.net] by SmatZ
00:37:45  *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] by SmatZ
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00:37:49  *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~IndioCabr@200.79.144.187.dsl.dyn.telnor.net] by SmatZ
00:38:15  <SmatZ> lifetime bans are too cruel :(
00:38:22  <SmatZ> 2 months is more than enough ;)
00:38:53  <Yexo> and likely not effective as they might get another dynamic ip anywa
00:39:38  <PeterT> why would he be banned?
00:39:47  *** mode/#openttd [+e +o!*@*] by DorpsGek
00:41:28  <Yexo> what was that? the dutch translation of that action in x-chat makes no sense
00:41:57  <PeterT> same here in english
00:42:07  *** mode/#openttd [+o Yexo] by SmatZ
00:42:09  <SmatZ> I wanted to op you
00:42:12  * PeterT can't understand his "Mother tongue"
00:42:19  <Yexo> SmatZ: what's wrong with @op?
00:42:20  <SmatZ> but somehow, it did strange things
00:42:27  <Fuco> what is +emode
00:42:40  <PeterT> Yexo: because thats to op oneself?
00:42:42  <Fuco> we dont have that on quakenet ;d
00:42:50  <SmatZ> PeterT: can you disconnect and reconnect here please?
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00:42:57  <Yexo> PeterT: not really
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00:43:03  <SmatZ> ok
00:43:05  <SmatZ> thanks
00:43:06  <Yexo> PeterT: it can also be used to op others
00:43:06  <Fuco> nice timing yexo
00:43:07  <Fuco> ;d
00:43:08  <PeterT> whats up?
00:43:13  <SmatZ> it doesn't mean autoope for everyone :)
00:43:20  <Yexo> @op PeterT
00:43:22  *** mode/#openttd [+o PeterT] by DorpsGek
00:43:22  <Yexo> @deop PeterT
00:43:25  *** mode/#openttd [-o PeterT] by DorpsGek
00:43:25  <SmatZ> haha
00:43:34  <Fuco> enjoy your 2 sec op
00:43:35  <PeterT> oh
00:43:36  <Fuco> next please!
00:43:37  <PeterT> thanks :)
00:43:41  <PeterT> i did enjoy it
00:43:48  <PeterT> @op
00:43:49  <Fuco> you should make a screenshot, then edit the -o out
00:43:54  <PeterT> @op PeterT
00:43:55  <Fuco> and show to everyone
00:43:58  <PeterT> :P
00:44:02  <Fuco> ;D
00:44:06  <Fuco> there was a guy on our channel
00:44:08  <PeterT> SmatZ: why did you need my hostmask?
00:44:09  <Fuco> who did that
00:44:10  <Fuco> kind of
00:44:23  <SmatZ> I didn't
00:44:44  <Fuco> you can simply /w nick for hostmask
00:44:59  <Fuco> or even /dns
00:45:03  <Fuco> my client can do that ;p
00:45:17  <PeterT> so why did I dis connect and reconnect?
00:45:26  <Fuco> to test autoop i guess
00:45:32  <Fuco> or something
00:45:41  <PeterT>  /w doesnt work for me, but /dns does
00:45:48  *** mode/#openttd [-e +o!*@*] by DorpsGek
00:45:48  <PeterT> Fuco: 188.123.106.105
00:45:49  <Fuco> try whois then
00:45:50  <SmatZ> ah finally
00:45:58  <PeterT> what does that do?
00:46:04  <SmatZ> I don't know
00:46:06  <Fuco> /w is shortcut for /whois
00:46:09  <SmatZ> but nothing anymore
00:46:15  <PeterT> you could just use /msg Chanserv list #openttd add Yexo MASTER
00:46:29  <PeterT> then turn auto-op on
00:46:36  <SmatZ> I can't
00:46:42  <Fuco> chanserv is one hell of a fail service ;D
00:46:44  <PeterT> why no?
00:46:47  <Fuco> i dont like it a bit
00:46:48  <PeterT> *not
00:46:56  <Yexo> PeterT: because SmatZ is not master fo the channel either?
00:47:02  <Yexo> but there is no need for that
00:47:02  <Fuco> Q/X is so much better
00:47:14  <PeterT> ok, then replace MASTER with CHANOP
00:47:17  <Yexo> I really don't care whether I'm op or not, as long as DorpsGek does the dirty work
00:47:25  <SmatZ> I can't
00:47:29  <SmatZ> hehe
00:47:35  <Yexo> PeterT: you have to be master for that too
00:47:48  <PeterT> weird, I only have to be op
00:51:23  *** mode/#openttd [+q PeterT!*@*] by SmatZ
00:51:26  <SmatZ> wonder what this does :-)
00:51:43  <Yexo> it makes this channel quiet :)
00:51:54  <SmatZ> what a peaceful place :)
00:52:01  *** mode/#openttd [-q PeterT!*@*] by SmatZ
00:52:16  <PeterT> hello
00:52:18  <PeterT> ?
00:52:21  <SmatZ> oh :(
00:52:29  <SmatZ> hello PeterT
00:52:31  <PeterT> yexo: can you go to #megaindustrytycoon
00:52:37  <PeterT> i want to try to autoop you
00:55:44  <PeterT> kicking me on my own channel? harsh yexo
00:55:58  <SmatZ> hehe
00:55:58  <Yexo> I didn't do anytying, you left yourself
00:56:38  <PeterT> did I?
00:56:41  <Yexo> sep 10 02:54:40 *	PeterT (~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) heeft #OpenTTDMegaclan verlaten (Leaving) <- yes
00:56:52  <PeterT> hmm
00:56:56  <PeterT> strangen
00:57:05  <SmatZ> indeed, strangen
00:57:24  <PeterT>
00:57:24  <PeterT> Zaj?malo by m? ...
00:57:38  <SmatZ> huh?
00:57:43  <PeterT> SmatZ se mluv? ?esky?
00:57:43  <PeterT> search
00:57:50  <SmatZ> :-P
00:57:57  <SmatZ> PeterT is a bot
00:58:18  <PeterT> SmatZ: Command misunderstood. Please retry command.
00:58:22  <SmatZ> :-p
00:58:32  <PeterT> SmatZ: Command misunderstood. Please retry command.
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00:58:49  <SmatZ> :-D
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00:58:57  <PeterT> SmatZ: Type /msg PeterT HELP for help
00:59:03  <PeterT> :P
00:59:14  <PeterT> oh, I thought I was authorised
00:59:40  * Yexo goes to sleep
00:59:41  <Yexo> gn all
00:59:52  <PeterT> goodnight Yexo
00:59:54  <SmatZ> nn Yexo
01:00:04  * SmatZ does the same
01:04:24  <Fuco> night
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01:28:05  <PeterT> @seen Born_Acorn
01:28:05  <DorpsGek> PeterT: Born_Acorn was last seen in #openttd 9 weeks, 1 day, 10 hours, 42 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <Born_Acorn> Bbl
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04:20:12  <Pikka> I think not
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07:05:18  <pavel1269> hello
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07:16:17  <Pikka> hello pavel
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07:18:12  <pavel1269> problem :-( ... in one header i have defined class and extern of that class, in another unit, i include this header and want to use that extern in header (inline function) why i cant? in .cpp file i can  use it :-/
07:19:10  <pavel1269> it reports undefined symbol when in header :-/
07:19:41  <Pikka> I have no idea, you'll have to wait for others to wake up, sorry :)
07:20:44  <pavel1269> i know, you would tell me that 08 AA 00 ... :-)
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07:38:18  <TinoDidriksen> extern inline? Impossible.
07:40:08  <pavel1269> no
07:40:23  <pavel1269> class in extern
07:40:40  <pavel1269> but cant use in header
07:40:57  <pavel1269> will copypaste :-))
07:41:00  <pavel1269> better
07:41:43  <pavel1269> fortunately, function is private so no problem, simply put definition of inline to .cpp file
07:42:07  <dihedral> mornings
07:43:32  <Pikka> says you
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07:44:42  <pavel1269> http://paste.openttd.org/216805
07:44:49  <pavel1269> i must be missing some basic i think
07:45:10  <TinoDidriksen> Where is your TMainForm *MainForm; ?
07:45:25  <pavel1269> main.cpp
07:46:03  <pavel1269> btw, whats that exactly for? i just know that i type it where i define functions of that class :P
07:47:08  <TinoDidriksen> extern TMainForm *MainForm; just makes sure that other places can find the global variable TMainForm *MainForm; provided you have such a global variable...I suspect a spelling or case-sensitive issue.
07:48:20  <pavel1269> so when using extern, the variable must exist?
07:48:29  <TinoDidriksen> Of course...
07:48:38  <pavel1269> oh, another mssing piece :D
07:48:55  <TinoDidriksen> extern does not declare the variable, merely tells others that it's declared somewhere...
07:49:30  <pavel1269> when i move definition of that function to clientlist.cpp, everythings is okay
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07:56:24  <Terkhen> good morning
08:06:35  <Pikka> that's what dihedral said
08:06:39  <Pikka> but where's the evidence?
08:07:22  <dihedral> http://msp253.photobucket.com/albums/hh51/tinkerbell02158/good-morning.jpg
08:07:24  <dihedral> right there
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08:11:49  <TrueBrain> crazy dihedral :p
08:11:53  <TrueBrain> good morning to you too :)
08:12:08  <dihedral> :-)
08:12:47  <Noldo> morning!
08:19:10  <TrueBrain> hmm .. Venz XL! WHOHO!
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08:23:16  <planetmaker> morning folks
08:24:58  * TrueBrain hugs planetmaker
08:25:00  * TrueBrain runs
08:25:02  <TrueBrain> hihi
08:25:24  <TrueBrain> "What are we going to do today Brain" - "The same thing as we do every night Pinky! TAKE OVER THE WORLD!"
08:26:12  <TrueBrain> (in case you were wondering about my sanity, it just went down the drain)
08:27:11  <Terkhen> sanity is overrated
08:27:14  <Vikthor> hi guys
08:27:26  <TrueBrain> howedie Vikthor
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08:28:58  <Vikthor> Is that some slang version of "How do you do?" If so, than fine, thanks
08:29:56  <cscsaba> whats going on mastering the english language ?:)
08:31:20  <TrueBrain> but I wonder about the use of then and than in this case :p
08:31:25  <TrueBrain> and I can't figure it out :'(
08:32:03  <planetmaker> TrueBrain, I don't bite :-)
08:32:15  <planetmaker> howdy Vikthor
08:32:23  <TrueBrain> planetmaker: pfew :)
08:32:36  <planetmaker> ^ usually ;-)
08:33:16  <Ammler> m?h
08:40:40  <Tefad> if you are comparing things you use 'than'
08:40:47  <Tefad> if youre sequencing events, you use then
08:41:06  <TrueBrain> that is book work, not helping :p As I can't figure out if it is a comparing or a sequence :p
08:41:18  <Tefad> oh?
08:41:43  <TrueBrain> well, you have the line in your IRC too :p
08:41:54  <Tefad> i am tired point it out
08:42:00  <Rubidium> but what when you're comparing events or sequencing things?
08:42:14  <TrueBrain> "Is that some slang version of "How do you do?" If so, than fine, thanks"
08:42:26  <Tefad> you're not comparing anything
08:42:36  <TrueBrain> well, we can debate that :)
08:42:39  <Tefad> comparing would be more like "if this is greater than that"
08:42:49  <Tefad> THEN kill yourself
08:42:50  <TrueBrain> depends how you depend the 'comparing' part )
08:42:55  <Tefad> no it doesn't
08:43:05  <Tefad> it's clearly not part of the condition
08:43:08  <TrueBrain> oh, sorry mister know it all, didn't know I couldn't have my own opinion :p Ghehehe :)
08:43:18  * TrueBrain hugs Tefad :)
08:43:33  <Tefad> hey, i'm an asshole no need to hug
08:43:40  <TrueBrain> NO!
08:43:41  <TrueBrain> :p
08:44:05  <TrueBrain> either way, the compare was between my "howedie" and "how do you do" ;)
08:44:25  * Rubidium wonders whether TrueBrain would like Harajuku bridge
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08:44:35  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: who? Can I eat it? Then yes please! :)
08:44:54  <Tefad> also, in just about any instance of "if" you can put a "then"
08:45:02  <TrueBrain> Tefad: like C?
08:45:11  <Tefad> it's common to have the "then" understood/omitted
08:45:18  <Tefad> or the whole then phase omitted
08:45:25  <Tefad> much like "than" phrases
08:45:39  <Tefad> but with those "than" isn't omitted..
08:45:48  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: not who, but what or where. You can probably eat it, didn't try though
08:46:12  <TrueBrain> lol :)
08:46:34  <Tefad> example: "are you going to this restaurant?" "only if you pay (then i will go)!"
08:47:05  <TrueBrain> I will go if you pay
08:47:06  <Rubidium> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwctFjyR7ms <- coworker of TrueBrain ?
08:47:16  <Tefad> example: "i have more beans than he (has)"
08:47:30  <Tefad> "(Then) I will go if you pay."
08:47:34  <Vikthor> I wouldn't have guessed my stupid mistake would spawn such long debate
08:47:37  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: yes
08:47:48  <TrueBrain> Vikthor: I am bored, nothing to worry about
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08:48:18  <Rubidium> "I had more beans than he had" or "I had more beans then he had" :)
08:50:03  <TrueBrain> the latter needs a pause before then :p
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08:50:36  <Tefad> HOWDY!
08:50:49  <Tefad> Rubidium: it's never then in that case
08:51:12  <TrueBrain> Tefad: sure it is! I had more beans. Then he has beans.
08:51:53  <Tefad> right but that's two predicates
08:52:09  <TrueBrain> it misses a ',', but that is all :p
08:52:38  <Rubidium> heh, it's IRC... everyone omits punctuation
08:52:58  <Tefad> yeah capitalization and punctuation go out the window
08:53:05  <Tefad> unless emphasis is required
08:53:08  <TrueBrain> spacesoftentoowhichmakeseverythingunreadable
08:53:19  <Tefad> typingwithoutthespacebariskindofweird
08:53:28  <Tefad> mythumbsarelikewhatthefuckigotnofuckingdukesman
08:53:39  <SmatZ> ,I,don't,omit,punctuation,!
08:53:54  <Rubidium> thoughtheearliestwritingdidnothavespacesandverylittlepunctuationsowerejustgoingbackawhileinevolution
08:55:46  <pavel1269> lol
08:55:54  * Rubidium joins TrueBrain in boredom
08:56:02  <Tefad> well the languages that had no spaces also had crazy word endings
08:56:14  <TrueBrain> I think I am going to try out another boredom.. CLASSES!
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08:56:18  <pavel1269> fix something then :-)
08:56:26  <Tefad> COGITOERGOSVM
08:58:03  <Rubidium> hmm, why did I parse that like 'cogito' = 'source version management'
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08:59:21  <Rubidium> and later parse that as the 'original' Latin writing style?
08:59:44  * Rubidium blames pasky
08:59:56  <Vikthor> No that I know Latin, but didn't Latin already had U by the time Descartes did write this?
09:00:53  <Rubidium> could be, yet Tolkien used eleventy in his books even when it wasn't used anymore in his time
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09:01:26  <Sacro> isn't that one hundred and eleventy?
09:01:42  <Sacro> or 110
09:01:44  <Sacro> hmm
09:02:08  <TinoDidriksen> 110
09:02:24  <TinoDidriksen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleventy
09:02:24  <Rubidium> well, he actually used elevetyone. For more info, read the log of a few days ago
09:03:05  <Xaroth> I almost thought I had my irssi scrolled up to that discussion from a few days ago :o
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09:18:43  <SmatZ> @calc 0 ** 0
09:18:43  <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 1
09:18:46  <SmatZ> @calc 0. ** 0.
09:18:46  <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 1
09:18:52  <SmatZ> @calc -0. ** -0.
09:18:52  <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 1
09:19:55  <planetmaker> it knows it ;-) - just not generally :-P
09:20:02  <planetmaker> @calc n ** 0
09:20:02  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Error: 'n' is not a defined function.
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09:20:24  <Akoz> @calc 1 / 0
09:20:24  <DorpsGek> Akoz: Error: float division
09:20:49  <Akoz> @calc 9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9
09:20:49  <DorpsGek> Akoz: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
09:21:02  <planetmaker> @calc log( 10 ** 10 )
09:21:02  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 23.0258509299
09:21:11  <planetmaker> @calc log( 10 ** 10,10)
09:21:11  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 10
09:21:18  <Akoz> @calc exp(10, 10)
09:21:18  <DorpsGek> Akoz: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
09:21:21  <Akoz> @calc exp(10 10)
09:21:21  <DorpsGek> Akoz: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
09:21:25  <Akoz> @calc exp(10 ** 10)
09:21:25  <DorpsGek> Akoz: Error: The answer exceeded 1.79769313486e+308 or so.
09:21:28  <planetmaker> Akoz, ^  --> **
09:21:31  <SmatZ> hehehe
09:21:45  <Akoz> @calc exp(9 ** 999999999999999999999999999)
09:21:45  <DorpsGek> Akoz: Error: The answer exceeded 1.79769313486e+308 or so.
09:21:59  <SmatZ> @calc 10 ** 10
09:22:00  <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 10000000000
09:22:03  <Akoz> @calc exp(10 ** 2)
09:22:03  <DorpsGek> Akoz: 26881171418161356094253400435962903554686976
09:22:27  <Akoz> @calc exp(1)
09:22:27  <DorpsGek> Akoz: 2.71828182846
09:22:42  <Akoz> @calc 10 * 10
09:22:43  <DorpsGek> Akoz: 100
09:22:44  <planetmaker> and now cout up to that number, starting with 0 with step size 1. ;-)
09:22:53  <Akoz> lol
09:22:56  <planetmaker> and I meant the result of exp(10 ** 2)
09:22:58  <SmatZ> @calc exp(j)
09:22:58  <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Error: 'j' is not a defined function.
09:23:01  <SmatZ> @calc exp(i)
09:23:01  <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 0.540302305868+0.841470984808i
09:23:15  <SmatZ> ^^^ now count to that with step e R
09:23:22  <planetmaker> :-D
09:23:25  <Akoz> @calc planetmaker ** SmatZ
09:23:25  <DorpsGek> Akoz: Error: 'planetmaker' is not a defined function.
09:23:28  <SmatZ> :-D
09:23:47  <Akoz> planetmaker please define yourself
09:24:13  <planetmaker> I don't dare. If I measure myself, my wave function would collapse.
09:24:26  <SmatZ> :-D
09:24:50  <Akoz> @calc null ** SmatZ
09:24:50  <DorpsGek> Akoz: Error: 'null' is not a defined function.
09:24:55  <Akoz> @calc NULL ** SmatZ
09:24:55  <DorpsGek> Akoz: Error: 'null' is not a defined function.
09:24:57  <planetmaker> nor am I actually a function. I have several different outputs associated with one input.
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09:25:30  <Xaroth> @calc PI^2
09:25:30  <DorpsGek> Xaroth: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
09:25:31  <SmatZ> :-D
09:25:36  <Xaroth> @calc PI ^ 2
09:25:36  <DorpsGek> Xaroth: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
09:25:39  <Xaroth> @calc pi ^ 2
09:25:39  <DorpsGek> Xaroth: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
09:25:41  <Xaroth> o_O
09:25:44  <planetmaker> **
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09:25:52  <Akoz> @calc 3.1415 ** 2
09:25:53  <DorpsGek> Akoz: 9.86902225
09:25:56  <planetmaker> @calc pi ** 2
09:25:56  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 9.86960440109
09:25:57  <Xaroth> @calc pi ** 2
09:25:58  <DorpsGek> Xaroth: 9.86960440109
09:26:01  <Xaroth> ah
09:26:02  <Xaroth> ta
09:26:32  <Akoz> why is it not ^ instead of ** ?
09:26:41  <Xaroth> @calc 123*456*789+28830302
09:26:41  <DorpsGek> Xaroth: 73083734
09:27:04  <planetmaker> Akoz, ask the supybot's math plugin programmers
09:27:24  <Akoz> stupid math ppl
09:27:37  <Akoz> should've know they were behind it
09:27:43  <TinoDidriksen> Akoz, ^ is typically the XOR operator in computers.
09:27:51  <planetmaker> if it = you, then you might be right.
09:28:09  <Xaroth> @calc 1^0
09:28:09  <DorpsGek> Xaroth: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
09:28:16  <planetmaker> And only since a person is paranoid, it doesn't mean that THEY are not after him/her.
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09:28:47  <Akoz> well.. if someone is really inside the brick wall behind me they're long dead so I dont worry
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10:04:23  <Fast2> Hello
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10:11:31  <dihedral> dum-di-dum
10:17:20  <Fast2> ba-ding-ding-ding-dum
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10:23:28  <Sacro> http://www.computerpowertest.com/
10:27:43  <fonsinchen> whodathunk!
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10:29:16  <TrueBrain> I just spoke to DorpsGek, and he feels abused
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10:37:42  <dihedral> must have been Sacro then :-P
10:37:53  <TrueBrain> ghehe
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10:48:59  <welshdragon> sodding connection
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11:01:13  <dihedral> well well well
11:03:09  <TrueBrain> woepliedoeh!
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11:19:51  <Muxy> Goulp Kiss
11:20:05  <TrueBrain> ieuw
11:20:08  <TrueBrain> why do you do that?
11:20:36  <Muxy> it's a way to say Hello from Goulp
11:20:44  <TrueBrain> still ieuw :p
11:20:46  <TrueBrain> ghehehehehe
11:20:59  <Muxy> but if you dont know goulp, you cant understand
11:21:07  <TrueBrain> nope :)
11:21:25  <Muxy> goulp maxim, in french is "pourquoi faire simple quand on peut faire compliqué"
11:21:56  <Muxy> why do simple when you can complicate
11:22:20  <TrueBrain> crazy french people :p
11:22:24  <Muxy> which is in english : Keep It Simple (And) Stupid
11:22:34  <Muxy> abreviated with Kiss
11:23:04  <Muxy> you see the power of crazyness ?
11:23:12  <TrueBrain> every day when I look in the mirror
11:24:11  <Muxy> yeap, that's a point of vue.
11:24:24  <Muxy> i prefer look behin the mirror
11:24:38  <Muxy> *behind
11:25:21  <TrueBrain> there is nothing behind my mirror
11:25:24  <TrueBrain> but a rock solid door
11:25:27  <TrueBrain> a bit boring, if you ask me
11:25:29  <Muxy> and to finish with goulp : The Goulp is Hell
11:25:43  <Muxy> but it's still better in french
11:25:50  <Muxy> "Le goulp c'est l'enfer"
11:26:10  <Muxy> "parce que les shadock sont enfermés dedans"
11:26:23  <Muxy> not translatable
11:27:24  <Muxy> hum about the mirror, you look from behind the mirror ;)
11:28:10  <TrueBrain> I always look in the mirror, what you do with mirrors is your business
11:29:11  <Muxy> none, i'm trying to make the computers go right
11:29:27  <TrueBrain> mine tend to go left, not so much fun I tell you
11:29:32  <Aankhen``> <Muxy> which is in english : Keep It Simple (And) Stupid # isn't that the opposite of "pourquoi faire simple quand on peut faire compliqu?"?
11:29:53  <Muxy> Anankehn: absolutely
11:30:19  <Aankhen``> Okay.  I got confused since you said the latter is the former.
11:31:24  <Muxy> But it comes from "Les Shadocks" which is a french old tv show from 1970's
11:31:29  <Aankhen``> Ahh.
11:31:44  <Aankhen``> Les Shadoks, non ?
11:31:46  <Muxy> very nice stupid story
11:31:50  <Muxy> may be yes
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11:37:36  <Muxy> found on en wiki : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Shadoks
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11:38:03  <Aankhen``> Je l'ai trouv? d?j? ? fr.wikipedia.org : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Shadoks
11:38:09  <Aankhen``> ?a semble int?ressant.
11:38:27  <Aankhen``> Whoops, English only.
11:38:28  <Aankhen``> My bad.
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11:48:29  <PierreW> gesundheit.
11:48:33  <PierreW> oh, english only :>
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12:04:32  <Eddi|zuHause> gesundheit IS an english word.
12:05:12  <SmatZ> yeah, one can find it in ENG->GER dictionary :-p
12:05:39  <SmatZ> prosit hmm
12:05:41  <SmatZ> interesting
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12:06:09  <Eddi|zuHause> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesundheit
12:07:12  <SmatZ> my dictionary was wrong then
12:09:45  <dihedral> jawohl ^^
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12:36:16  <fjb> Hello
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12:37:53  <Rubidium> "Pigeon transfers data faster than South Africa's Telkom" <- makes me laugh :)
12:43:47  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: if Pigeons carry 1TB HDs, it even holds in Europe :p
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12:44:38  <Rubidium> @calc 100/8*3600*2/1024
12:44:38  <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 87.890625
12:45:27  <Rubidium> 80 GB/hour at 100 Mbit/s
12:45:42  <Rubidium> uhm, 2 hour :)
12:46:12  <TrueBrain> sorry, I can't parse that
12:46:20  <TrueBrain> like saying: 100 Mbit/s at 100 Mbit/s
12:47:03  <Rubidium> having numbers in an order to compare them is useful
12:47:28  <TrueBrain> I fail to see what you were trying to say
12:47:32  <Rubidium> like you might get 40 GB/h at 100 Mbit/s internet (due to overhead and such)
12:47:37  <TrueBrain> that at 100 mbit/s you can transfer 80 GB in an hour?
12:47:49  <TrueBrain> well, if you talk overhead, you should have said /10, not /8
12:48:05  <TrueBrain> (on average, you need 10 bits to send 1 byte on the Internet)
12:48:13  <Rubidium> @calc 100/8*3600/1024
12:48:13  <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 43.9453125
12:48:22  <Rubidium> vs
12:48:28  <Rubidium> @calc 100/10*3600/1024
12:48:28  <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 35.15625
12:49:01  <Rubidium> where in the former I just rounded it down with ~10%
12:49:02  <TrueBrain> so, on that math, a pigeon has 30 hours to fly from A to B, and is still faster than 100 mbit/s connection
12:49:35  <Rubidium> assuming writing and reading the 1TB HD is instant, yes
12:49:49  <TrueBrain> no, it was about transfering data
12:49:52  <TrueBrain> not about reading or writing it
12:50:18  <Rubidium> Including downloading, the transfer took two hours, six minutes and 57 seconds.
12:50:30  <TinoDidriksen> I believe the saying goes, never underestimate the bandwidth of a truck filled with harddrives.
12:50:31  <Rubidium> the 11-month-old pigeon, Winston, took one hour and eight minutes to fly
12:50:55  <TrueBrain> TinoDidriksen: it is BIG! :) I remember that when we had a telescope make some shots
12:51:02  <TrueBrain> we had to wait 2 weeks for the HD to arrive to read those images :p
12:51:14  <TrueBrain> sending a few GB of data over the connection they had at the telescope was impossible :)
12:51:36  <TinoDidriksen> Ah...
12:51:38  <TinoDidriksen> "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. --Tanenbaum, Andrew S. (1996)"
12:53:09  <Rubidium> still, to make a useful comparison you need to transfer data onto the tapes and from them
12:53:46  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: why? We talk about transfer of data! Not reading/writing them .. bandwidth is just moving data, not analyzing it
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12:54:09  <TrueBrain> the throughput of a waterpipe is not defined by the nossel at the end
12:54:24  <TrueBrain> by the lack of the nossel :p
12:54:26  <TrueBrain> ghehe
12:54:35  <TrueBrain> or how ever you write that in English :)
12:54:54  <TrueBrain> the speed of a train is not defined by the time it takes people to get in or out of the train
12:55:16  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: but the travel time of the people taking the train from point A to B *is*
12:55:26  <TinoDidriksen> It is a valid concern for the overall picture...
12:55:27  <TrueBrain> really? I think the NS would disagree on that very much :)
12:55:59  <Rubidium> I want to get 1 TB from here to you. What's fastest way?
12:56:08  <TrueBrain> often when I take a train, it is already at the station
12:56:13  <TrueBrain> it is there for 15 minutes before it leaves
12:56:17  <TrueBrain> is my trip extended with 15 minutes?
12:56:35  <TrueBrain> (it has no delay, it is just how Dordrecht in this case works :p)
12:56:43  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: by pigeon! :p
12:57:00  <Rubidium> well... the fastest is the hard disk at (near) the speed of light, so sub milliseconds
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12:57:19  <TrueBrain> I can beat that: instant, via 'quantum-verstrengeling'
12:57:22  <TrueBrain> (fail to translate, sorry
12:57:37  <TinoDidriksen> Entanglement?
12:57:38  <Rubidium> ofcourse the gazillion Gs to accelerate and decelerate it completely trash the HD, but that doesn't matter
12:57:49  <TrueBrain> TinoDidriksen: I guess :)
12:58:19  <TrueBrain> would require quite a lot of work to make 1TB worth of bits in entanglement, but okay, that is besides the point  I guess
12:58:58  <TrueBrain> (mind you that in such case there is no 'transfer' in the classic way. Hence the possibility of instant 'transfer')
12:59:54  <TrueBrain> [14:55] <Rubidium> TrueBrain: but the travel time of the people taking the train from point A to B *is* <- btw, time == latency. speed == bandwidth
13:01:26  <Rubidium> and both can be compared with 'faster'
13:02:00  <planetmaker> https://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/EventOverview/MouseTrackingEvents/MouseTrackingEvents.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/10000060i-CH11-SW1 <-- would it make sense to use a method which is called "legacy" on newer systems ,but works on all, or should there be two methods, one for older systems and one for newer ones?
13:02:30  <planetmaker> as far as I see 'legacy' doesn't imply deprecated so far.
13:02:36  <Rubidium> the internet is faster than a pigeon if you talk about latency, but the pigeon has for the given distance and data amount a higher bandwidth
13:02:50  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I can have lower latency with no increase of bandiwdth. I can have bigger bandwidth without the increase of latency. So I miss your point. They are not correlated
13:03:06  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: and we talked about the 'transfer of data', which is bandwidth, very good :)
13:03:22  <TrueBrain> we never talked about the 'fastnesst' of internet :)
13:03:26  <Rubidium> the transfer of a specific amount of data over a specific distance
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13:03:49  <Rubidium> which basically means you're talking about the whole picture
13:04:29  <TrueBrain> planetmaker: 'legacy' tends to be phased out
13:04:39  <planetmaker> TrueBrain, that's why I'm asking ;-)
13:04:57  <planetmaker> but it still works. Probably w/o warning.
13:05:28  <TrueBrain> so keep the legacy till it starts to warn :p
13:05:29  <TrueBrain> hahaha
13:05:36  <planetmaker> :-P
13:06:15  <TrueBrain> (which is a bit sad :p)
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13:08:04  <Rubidium> luckily the legacy behaviour changes in newer versions, which makes it equally well testable
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13:09:58  <Rubidium> "Also see "Compatibility Issues," below, for a discussion of the current behavior of legacy methods." <- oh, the legacy behaviour might even change
13:10:15  <Rubidium> lovely... testing it in each version of OSX... that's going to be fun!
13:10:40  <TrueBrain> lucky for us, OSX has very well predefined versions
13:10:56  <Rubidium> hahahahahaha!
13:10:59  <TrueBrain> where in general (with the exception of 10.4.9 I believe) there really is only one such version :)
13:11:25  * Rubidium points at the OpenTTD doesn't start on (some) versions of OSX 10.5 saga
13:11:52  <TrueBrain> very good: versions of OSX, you can point your finger to the version
13:12:10  <Rubidium> *SOME*!!!!
13:12:18  <TrueBrain> plural, I don't care
13:12:25  <TrueBrain> I already used plural
13:13:40  <Rubidium> well... some installations of a SPECIFIC version of OSX caused OpenTTD to fail, where other installs from the SAME disk did not fail
13:13:59  <TrueBrain> I think it is time for your pill Rubidium
13:14:55  <Belugas> hello
13:14:55  <Rubidium> guess so...
13:14:57  <TrueBrain> but so you want to tell me that if on computer A I installed version 10.5.0, OpenTTD failed, and when I reinstalled on computer A the same version 10.5.0 it worked?
13:15:02  * TrueBrain hugs Belugas
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13:15:56  <Yexo> hello Belugas
13:21:12  <Belugas> hey guys :)
13:22:30  <Eddi|zuHause> gnah... i can't distinguish planetmaker from TrueBrain from this far away... they both have the same colour :(
13:22:39  <Eddi|zuHause> i need more colours :(
13:22:43  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: we should patch Konversation to fix that problem
13:23:12  <Eddi|zuHause> but i'm afraid to join freenode to make a request ;)
13:25:00  <TrueBrain> hehehehe :) I can see that to be a problem :p
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14:08:41  <dihedral> i am looking for an english word.....
14:08:47  <dihedral> use at your own .......
14:08:50  <dihedral> not regression.....
14:08:53  <dihedral> any hints???
14:09:07  <Eddi|zuHause> disgression?
14:09:12  <dihedral> thank you :-)
14:09:16  <Aankhen``> Discretion.
14:09:22  <Eddi|zuHause> or something :)
14:10:05  <Aankhen``> Close enough.  You could pretend you had a cold when you wrote it. ;-)
14:10:47  <planetmaker> :-D
14:10:53  <TrueBrain> lol :)
14:11:18  <planetmaker> I would rather write "use at your own risk" ;-)
14:11:36  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that was my first thought, too ;)
14:12:00  <planetmaker> discretion doesn't mean anything else anyway. Or rather "use your own judgement".
14:12:18  <dihedral> your conference is accessible through following telephone numbers, you may uses these at your own rist??
14:12:25  <dihedral> *risk
14:12:27  <planetmaker> sure.
14:12:28  <planetmaker> :-P
14:12:30  <TrueBrain> hahaha :)
14:12:34  <TrueBrain> that is horrible english :)
14:12:48  <planetmaker> uhm... conference? accessible via phone?
14:12:56  <dihedral> phone conference :-)
14:13:00  <dihedral> tada
14:13:26  <Aankhen``> dihedral: What are you trying to say there?  Why's it risky to you the numbers?
14:13:27  <planetmaker> In order to take part in the conference call any of these numbers: <blub> <bluh> <blah>
14:13:30  <Aankhen``> To use, even.
14:14:13  <planetmaker> dihedral, video conference! way better ;-)
14:14:14  <dihedral> Aankhen``, i was making 'fun' of the word 'risk' at that place
14:14:20  <dihedral> planetmaker, we do that too
14:14:28  <Aankhen``> Ah, heh.
14:14:30  <dihedral> and web application sharing conferences
14:14:34  <dihedral> online presentations etc.
14:27:55  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17492 /trunk/src/ (road_cmd.cpp road_map.h saveload/afterload.cpp town_map.h): -Codechange: don't store the town index for road depots.
14:30:00  <TrueBrain> almost 17500
14:30:11  <TrueBrain> whos home time?
14:33:20  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17493 /trunk/ (11 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: store the depot index on the map
14:34:05  <TrueBrain> +this
14:34:08  <TrueBrain> darn, my english sucks
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14:36:50  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17494 /trunk/src/ (depot.cpp depot_base.h): -Codechange: improve algorithmic complexitiy of Depot::GetByTile from O(n) to O(1)
14:38:21  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17495 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: replace 'Depot::Get(GetDepotIndex(tile))->index' with GetDepotIndex(tile)
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14:49:24  <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=816798#p816798 <-- Yexo, is my understanding correct, that the AI is anyway (only) running on the server in a MP game?
14:49:41  <Yexo> yes
14:50:13  <planetmaker> hm, then I don't understand entirely the logic why floating point in the AIs must be avoided
14:50:43  <planetmaker> IIRC the argument for int operations only is to stay in sync with clients in MP situations for path finding etc.
14:51:20  <planetmaker> The only advantage I see is that an AI will give on another computer with the same savegame and setup otherwise also guaranteed the same result
14:51:28  <planetmaker> That might be different, if float is allowed.
14:52:41  <planetmaker> or do I miss something substantial? :-)
14:52:48  <Yexo> no, seems you are right
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14:56:08  <Yexo> #seen Phoenix_the_II
14:56:14  <planetmaker> :-) I just wonder what might be the reason for the near-fundamental rejection of float ops :-)
14:56:14  <Yexo> @seen Phoenix_the_II
14:56:14  <DorpsGek> Yexo: Phoenix_the_II was last seen in #openttd 31 weeks, 2 days, 23 hours, 39 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <Phoenix_the_II> right :)
15:00:34  <Ammler> Yexo: our lovely host ;-)
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15:36:33  <Belugas> might just be by traditions and to avoid claims like "if it's good for AI, it should be good for other operations" and open up the door to misuses and wonderful long and nasty arguments...
15:36:44  <Belugas> users are sooo good when arguing...
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15:39:14  <planetmaker> :-)
15:39:19  * planetmaker hugs Belugas
15:40:44  * Belugas feels like a big teddy bear with all thses hugs :D
15:41:24  <planetmaker> :-) Bel-huggy-lugas :-P
15:42:04  <Eddi|zuHause> huggy-lass?
15:42:21  <Eddi|zuHause> sounds weird :p
16:03:57  <Eddi|zuHause> yay, i successfully repaired a signal ;)
16:18:04  <Sacro> Unicode is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you might think it's a long way down the codepage to ?, but that's just peanuts to Unicode.
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16:28:50  <Eddi|zuHause> # U i vethed na i onnad.
16:28:51  <Eddi|zuHause> # Si boe u-dhanna.
16:28:53  <Eddi|zuHause> # Ae u-esteli, esteliach nad.
16:29:46  <dihedral> hehe - strip poker? http://farm1.static.flickr.com/70/175243018_ffd93f8624.jpg
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16:37:23  <_ln> http://fin2.naurunappula.com/nn/0/494/315/o_501817.jpg
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17:05:12  <De_Ghosty> is modular ui in the road map?
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17:10:57  <Xaroth> why do you want a modular ui?
17:12:37  <_ln> what do you mean by modular ui?
17:16:17  <MyCatVerbs> why do you want a ui?
17:16:32  <MyCatVerbs> Does your imagination not work or something?
17:16:54  <Belugas> we have a road map?
17:16:55  <Belugas> cool...
17:17:05  <Belugas> first a tile map, a new map, then a road map
17:17:50  <MyCatVerbs> Sure, it's just that, this being a game project, it's called the "wishlist" instead.
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17:25:03  <Belugas> De_Ghosty, making a modular user interface does not serves any good, in my mind
17:25:14  <Belugas> making you could explain a bit more what concept you have in mind
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17:45:35  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r17496 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed)
17:45:35  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:35  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: catalan - 39 changes by arnau
17:45:35  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: english_US - 2 changes by agenthh
17:45:35  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: italian - 4 changes by lorenzodv
17:45:36  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: romanian - 5 changes by kkmic
17:45:36  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: russian - 3 changes by Lone_Wolf
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17:50:13  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
17:50:37  <Yexo> hi Nite_Owl
17:50:55  <Nite_Owl> Hello Yexo
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18:00:48  <Ammler> Does someone else than skidd13 work with the rpm spec from openttd.org?
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18:33:58  <Aankhen``> Is there any technical reason why signs, station names, etc. are limited to such short lengths?  Or is it just that people are too busy doing other things to fiddle with that?
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18:35:23  <Eddi|zuHause> yes.
18:35:33  <Aankhen``> Yes to which question?
18:35:42  <Nite_Owl> both
18:36:16  <SmatZ> Aankhen``: why not?
18:36:31  <Aankhen``> SmatZ: Why not what?
18:36:54  <SmatZ> why should the limit be 1 byte more or less?
18:37:58  <Eddi|zuHause> afair the limit is in pixels, not in characters
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18:38:12  <SmatZ> it's in characters
18:38:13  <Yexo> there are 2 limits, 1 in characters and 1 in pixels
18:38:25  <SmatZ> different font -> different pixel width
18:38:33  <SmatZ> pixel limit isn't used anymore
18:38:38  <Yexo> hmm, yes, then why do I remember a pixel limit?
18:38:40  <Yexo> ah, ok :)
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18:38:55  <Aankhen``> SmatZ: Signs because they seem to be the only method for persistent communication between players in MP...
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18:39:07  <SmatZ> Aankhen``: you can use two signs
18:39:29  <Eddi|zuHause> Aankhen``: you don't need to write essays
18:39:49  <Aankhen``> Yeah, that's what I see people doing.  It just seems hackish.
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18:41:59  <Aankhen``> Eddi|zuHause: Perhaps not, but easily a third of the current length is taken up just mentioning one town name.
18:43:59  <Aankhen``> Anyway, thanks for the answers.
18:48:19  <Ammler> Aankhen``: or use autopilot :-)
18:48:44  <Aankhen``> D?j? vu. :-)
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18:54:59  <Ammler> http://pastebin.ca/1561333 <-- why has the folder scripts another owner than data?
18:57:43  <SmatZ> is it can be
18:57:46  <SmatZ> historical reasons?
18:57:55  <SmatZ> like, when you do clean checkout, does it happen too?
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19:11:31  <Ammler> SmatZ: yes, but I guess, I found the reason
19:11:48  <Ammler> openSUSE 11.1 is a bit more strict
19:12:26  <Ammler> I made some changes to the spec files, shall I post those to the FS?
19:15:32  <Ammler> now, it succeeded, but I don't find the rpm :-(
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19:16:19  <Ammler> http://pastebin.ca/1561357
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19:20:33  <SmatZ> :(
19:24:55  <Ammler> :-P
19:29:52  <Ammler> the only bug left: openttd.i586: W: wrong-icon-size /usr/share/icons/hicolor/256x256/apps/openttd.png expected: 256x256 actual: 256x248
19:30:33  <blathijs> Ammler: packaging rpm?
19:30:56  <Ammler> blathijs: yes, trying to make suse rpm :-)
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20:16:43  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r17497 /trunk/src/airport_movement.h: -Codechange: Macrofy AirportMovingData.
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20:19:26  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: yexo * r17498 /trunk/ (9 files in 6 dirs): -Add [NoAI]: Enable the squirrel std math library
20:19:45  <planetmaker> :-O
20:19:47  <Rubidium> it'll cost you though
20:20:01  <planetmaker> hu?
20:20:06  <Rubidium> 100 ticks :)
20:20:16  <planetmaker> :-P fair enough
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20:41:25  <planetmaker> @calc 230 * 1.6 * sqrt(2)
20:41:25  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 520.430590953
20:41:37  <planetmaker> @calc 230 * 1.06 * sqrt(2)
20:41:37  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 344.785266507
20:41:53  <dihedral> yes, that would make a difference :-P
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20:45:13  <dihedral> wow ....
20:45:24  <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=816788#p816788 <- i understand every word on it's own but ......
20:46:35  <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=798166#p798166 <- hehehehe
20:46:53  <dihedral> seems that CIPP has a huge fan base :-D
20:48:42  <Nite_Owl> his posts make my eyes bleed
20:49:10  <Eddi|zuHause> that's why the forum needs a real ignore function
20:50:06  <Nite_Owl> plus I always want to respond with something along the lines of "Brain hurt. Make brain stop hurting."
20:50:14  <Terkhen> as long as he keeps posting on his own thread I'm happy
20:51:25  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not
20:52:54  <Terkhen> well, not happy, just happier... because I don't have to try to understand his post and answer him
20:55:53  <dihedral> i love the fact that the patches have not been downloaded once yet :-D
20:55:56  <dihedral> hehe
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21:54:10  <z-MaTRiX> who knows what's this? http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/e/7/e/e7e075beb6849f4e8d8f0ee529dc1666.png
21:56:27  <Progman> looks like the amount of information about something or how many bits you need to save the information...
21:56:40  <Eddi|zuHause> it's an entropy formula
21:57:19  <Eddi|zuHause> (where "amount of information" is a special case of)
21:57:23  <z-MaTRiX> nice
21:58:27  <z-MaTRiX> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy
21:59:25  <z-MaTRiX> everybody coding?
22:11:51  <Fast2> No
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22:47:16  <Terkhen> good night
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23:02:19  <DaleStan> Yexo: Re NFORenum and airports: r2201 may have overridden your 0.dat, and r2203 will definitely override your feat.dat.
23:03:04  <Yexo> there are indeed a few conflicts
23:05:01  <Yexo> thanks for r2203 :)
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23:14:43  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: yexo * r17499 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/sqstdlib/sqstdmath.cpp: -Fix (r17498): remove 2 unused functions so some compilers stop warning about them
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