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00:00:29 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051184168.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:00:56 <Sacro> TrueBrain: any chance you can get the openttd site to set the font color please 00:01:05 *** Zahl__ [~Zahl@f051184168.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:01:17 <Sacro> when you have a light font in linux you can't read the dropdowns on the download page 00:02:17 <TrueBrain> better? 00:03:34 <Sacro> http://www.openttd.org/en/download-stable 00:03:37 <Sacro> the dropdowns :( 00:03:41 <TrueBrain> reload 00:03:45 <TrueBrain> (hard reload, css change) 00:03:58 <Sacro> wasn't that ctrl+f5? 00:04:06 <TrueBrain> how should I know what browser you use? 00:04:22 <Eddi|zuHause> read the access logs? :p 00:04:24 <Sacro> heh 00:04:32 <Sacro> hmmmm 00:04:38 <Sacro> can't install 0.7.3 deb on karmic 00:04:39 <TrueBrain> all IPs are 10.42.42.8 .. not helpful :p 00:04:44 <TrueBrain> focus! :p 00:04:53 <Sacro> seriously ubuntu 00:04:58 <Sacro> >< 00:05:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i suggested statically linking to libicu, but nobody was picking up on that 00:05:57 <Sacro> h,, 00:06:00 <Sacro> *hmm 00:06:03 <Sacro> TrueBrain: nope 00:06:18 <TrueBrain> so it doesn't listen to html color 00:06:20 <TrueBrain> stupid 00:06:26 <Sacro> yeah 00:06:30 <Sacro> i only have libicu40 00:06:34 <Sacro> bah 00:06:37 <Sacro> hating ubuntu >< 00:06:50 <Sacro> aside from the uber sexy font rendering 00:06:52 <Sacro> it sucks 00:06:55 <TrueBrain> Sacro: better? 00:06:59 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:07:10 <Sacro> TrueBrain: perfect 00:07:22 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 00:07:23 <TrueBrain> select { 00:07:25 <TrueBrain> color: black; 00:07:26 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:26 <TrueBrain> } 00:07:28 <TrueBrain> lovely :p 00:07:29 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: there are threads in the forum about ubuntu/libicu 00:07:45 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 00:07:47 <Sacro> tbh i might remove linux and go for a hackintosh 00:07:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051184168.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:07:52 *** Zahl__ is now known as Zahl 00:08:30 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean the os that is not supported by openttd? 00:08:51 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051184168.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:12 <TrueBrain> hmm .. 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07:37:17 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 07:44:28 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 07:50:58 *** FauxFaux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 07:55:05 <Rubidium> bah... why must canonical release an ubuntu vista edition? 07:56:14 <SirSquid1ess> ... a what? 07:56:56 <Rubidium> a version that breaks way more than it fixes 07:58:17 <SirSquid1ess> lol. 08:05:48 <dihedral> Rubidium, 9.10? ^^ 08:09:33 <Rubidium> no, 10.5 ofcourse! 08:09:46 <Rubidium> bah... lag :( 08:19:56 * Rubidium ponders taking dial-up for its incerased speeds; it ought to beat Fetched 176kB in 3min 7s (937B/s) 08:22:35 <dihedral> depends on the location of those 176KB 08:23:51 <Rubidium> by car, when all traffic lights are green and there's no traffic, yet staying with speed limits: less than those 3min 7s 08:27:28 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 08:32:48 *** Stoffe 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Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:23 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 09:52:31 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17961 /trunk/known-bugs.txt: -Document: also document the hanging of SDL on quiting if it 'talks' to PulseAudio via its virtual ALSA device 10:08:38 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aoq57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:20:38 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:23:23 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd10e.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 10:38:54 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:39:56 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9BF8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:02:21 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 11:13:35 <SmatZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_fVK-XjjC8 hehe :) (only german/slovak) 11:14:44 <Forked> hehe :( I feel excluded 11:16:03 <dihedral> the vid is great SmatZ 11:16:04 <dihedral> ^^ 11:16:22 <SmatZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55AMfNtJy-4 oh this one is in english :) 11:16:25 <SmatZ> dihedral: :-) 11:19:19 <yorick> ooh, winston smith in one of the scans :D 11:22:08 <SmatZ> really? :) 11:23:57 <yorick> 2:05 11:25:01 <yorick> also notice the backward spelling of Orwell on the next name 11:25:17 <Rubidium> you didn't know that already? 11:25:39 * yorick gone 11:25:41 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 11:26:11 *** Strid__ [~Strid@c-fe85e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:26:55 *** Strid__ [~Strid@c-fe85e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 11:38:41 <Fast2> SmatZ: The video is made by the "Piratenpatei". 11:46:54 <Rubidium> Fast2: thus? It's not true by definition and whatever the current government says is true by definition? 11:51:05 <Fast2> Rubidium: I don't think I said this. (As far as I comprehended/got your message) 11:54:53 <Rubidium> with the bashing of those pirate(partie)s lately saying something is made by them gives it a "it's bad/incorrect/a lie" hidden message 11:54:55 <SmatZ> Fast2: just another bonus point for them ;) 11:55:32 <SmatZ> Rubidium: bashing? not here... but maybe it would be better if they were "bashed", they are hardly ever in news here :-/ 11:55:44 <SmatZ> (our piratenpartei) 11:55:58 <Rubidium> it's more in general; the whole pirate bay stuff 11:56:49 <Fast2> Rubidium: The opposite is true for me (because I like the Piraten) 11:59:12 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.185] has joined #openttd 12:05:39 <Rubidium> Fast2: I don't like the legalised blackmailing in the media industry either 12:07:48 <Rubidium> (or in the banking or in the healthcare or ...) 12:08:25 <SmatZ> blackmailing in healthcare? 12:09:30 <SmatZ> prescripting intentionaly pills from one given company (who sponsored your "study" holidays?) 12:10:05 <Rubidium> "you won't get paid if you don't do this or that" 12:11:08 <Rubidium> be it prescribe the cheapest drugs even if they obviously don't work or saying that they don't insure you at all because you have a pre-existing condition, e.g. astma 12:11:37 <Forked> I read "laid" and not "paid" .. but I guess it's all the same 12:12:09 <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p 12:12:12 <SmatZ> :-) 12:13:04 <SmatZ> [13:11:08] <Rubidium> be it prescribe the cheapest drugs even if they obviously don't work or saying that they don't insure you at all because you have a pre-existing condition, e.g. astma <== that's why I don't support commercial health insurance 12:13:38 <SmatZ> similiar, paying higher car insurance because you are <30 years old 12:13:52 <SmatZ> but if you had to pay because you are black, it would be discrimination 12:14:03 <SmatZ> or woman :-p 12:14:32 <Rubidium> or old! 12:14:38 <SmatZ> hehe very true 12:14:58 <TrueBrain> or SmatZ! (what is the conversation about? :p) 12:15:02 <SmatZ> ;-) 12:15:20 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: disadvantages of commercial insurrance 12:15:26 <TrueBrain> ah ;) 12:18:17 <SmatZ> though then politics use arguments like "why should people pay higher insurrance when there are smokers who take more money from the system?" 12:18:27 <SmatZ> attacking on right-winded people's envy 12:18:45 <SmatZ> which is funny as envy is often thought as property of socialists :-p 12:19:25 <SmatZ> society (nation) should work as whole, support each other 12:20:32 <Rubidium> oh SmatZ... with those ideas your a communists in the US (though I agree) 12:20:32 <SmatZ> when there are too many smokers, it's a problem of society, and there are other ways to reduce smoking (ban of ads, higher taxes) 12:20:35 <fonsinchen> society and nation are different concepts - especially in this context. The difference is exactly that between a left-wing and a right-wing argument ... 12:21:19 <SmatZ> for extreme-right-wing it's a difference 12:22:12 <fonsinchen> nation doesn't include immigrants and defines inclusion by heritage. 12:22:27 <Noldo> why should people pay higher taxes because of the self inflicted health problems of the smokers? 12:22:28 <fonsinchen> society defines inclusion by place of living 12:23:26 <fonsinchen> I mean the term "nation" and the term "society" 12:24:23 <SmatZ> Noldo: because they live in the same country 12:24:34 <SmatZ> (to avoid use of society/nation) 12:25:11 <SmatZ> as a note, I am not smoker 12:26:14 <SmatZ> also, once you start to differentiate between smokers and non-smokers, there is just a little step to differentiating between people with "healthy" and "unhealthy" genes 12:26:50 <Noldo> one is an action a person chooses and one is not 12:26:51 <SmatZ> (also, when someone smokes 1 cigarette/week, is he a smoker? 1/year? 1/day?) 12:27:12 <SmatZ> Noldo: then you can say overweight people should pay more 12:27:27 <SmatZ> then you have to decide whether it's because of their genes or not 12:27:30 <SmatZ> and blah blah 12:27:53 <SmatZ> it's simplest not to differentiate between people 12:28:00 <SmatZ> also most equal for all 12:28:29 <Rubidium> Noldo: but is being young/old or having astma something you choose to be? 12:28:37 <SmatZ> apart from spokers consuming more money from the healthcare system, I don't think their life is any better (and they die younger anyway) 12:29:06 <SpComb^> 555555555555 12:29:21 <Noldo> Rubidium: I sense a trap, but no it isn't 12:29:29 <SmatZ> I am using this example of smokers because they are often thought as group of people who should pay higher health insurrance 12:29:43 <SmatZ> and I am explaining why I think it's bad attitude from the beginning 12:30:32 <Rubidium> Noldo: then why are people with astma or people with old-age diabetes not accepted for certain health insurances? 12:30:47 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:31:22 <Noldo> because insurance is a business? 12:31:55 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 12:32:07 <Rubidium> if you did something yourself that's extremely dangerous and get sick because of that it's, in my opinion, another story than when it's because of your body being stupid 12:32:13 <SmatZ> and that's what we are talking about - is it good it is a business? 12:32:31 <SmatZ> sorry, have to go :-x 12:32:34 <SmatZ> I will read logs :) 12:32:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.168.90] has joined #openttd 12:33:12 <TrueBrain> bye SmatZ :) 12:34:30 <Chris_Booth> just to add to the fat people argument, lots of airline in the USA have started to charge fat people for 2 seats 12:34:41 <Chris_Booth> is that a good or a bad thing? 12:37:37 <Rubidium> Chris_Booth: if the fatness isn't caused by a valid medical condition I'd say it's fair, although... it might be better to just weigh them with clothes and luggage and calculate the price based on that 12:39:29 <Forked> it's not the airlines fault that some people weigh more than others.. should they take the extra cost? life is unfair, not just for the heavy people. 12:40:52 <Sacro> damn i misesd a good convo 12:41:01 <Sacro> i love discussing the US healthcare system 12:41:05 <Chris_Booth> well Forked the airlines dont charge small people less do they? well in a sence they do with kids but with if your a dwarf or a midget you still pay the same 12:41:06 <Sacro> < socialist 12:41:24 <Sacro> i hate the arbitrary weight limits on luggage 12:41:36 <Sacro> how come if it is 5kg over it gets penalised 12:41:38 <Noldo> Sacro: socialist by US standards? 12:41:45 <Sacro> wheras if i'm a fat bastard it's fine 12:42:00 * Sacro will next try eating his luggage 12:42:06 <Chris_Booth> well you know the sollution wear all your luggage 12:42:24 <Sacro> Yeah 12:42:27 <Sacro> it'd be cosy 12:43:23 <Chris_Booth> what i find most annoying is flight to skiing resorts airoprts they charge you more to take your skiis on the plane 12:44:49 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:810b:bc71:3b7f:128d] has joined #openttd 12:44:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:45:51 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE941.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:08:06 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:08:32 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.185] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:00 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 13:20:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Chris_Booth: did you ever bring skis to a non-skiing resort? 13:24:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Chris_Booth: increased demand allows for increased prices. primary rule of capitalism 13:25:36 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: that's the secondary rule! Primary rule is: short term profit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 13:26:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: "primary rule" doesn't mean there's only one such rule 13:26:12 <glx> and don't care about long term problems ;) 13:26:13 <Eddi|zuHause> it could be a set of primary rules 13:27:33 <Rubidium> but then they would be equal 13:27:53 <Rubidium> and there would be a monopoly 13:51:42 <Belugas> ello 13:53:28 *** worldemar [~woldemar@85.114.170.212] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07:41 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@92.28.198.176] has joined #openttd 14:12:29 *** mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:13:01 *** worldemar [~woldemar@62.106.119.243] has joined #openttd 14:33:49 *** worldemar [~woldemar@62.106.119.243] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:31 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.230.217] has joined #openttd 14:58:33 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 14:59:39 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:08:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B7B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:08:32 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:08 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 15:09:55 *** mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008103100]] 15:21:50 *** mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:32:59 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:42:33 *** mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008103100]] 15:43:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@88.130.168.90] has joined #openttd 15:44:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.168.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:51:21 *** mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:55:11 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.144.151] has joined #openttd 15:56:16 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:56:25 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 16:06:04 *** Benoit [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 16:06:04 *** Goulp [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:10 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:08:32 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17962 /trunk/ (known-bugs.txt readme.txt): -Fix: some spelling 16:09:12 *** N35 [~user@0x55535623.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:27 *** N35 [~user@0x55535623.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:21:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@88.130.168.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:28:01 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@87.115.36.134.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 16:34:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.168.90] has joined #openttd 16:36:05 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@87.115.36.134.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:45:53 *** Benoit [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has left #openttd [PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 16:45:54 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.230.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:56 *** Goulp [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 16:51:26 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [Quit: PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 16:51:31 *** zachanim1 [~zach@50A2FFAA.flatrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:51:47 *** Goulp is now known as Muxy 16:59:45 <oskari89> Can automatic train turning when waiting a green light on signal be turned off? 16:59:51 <oskari89> It's very annoying. 16:59:59 <oskari89> On OpenTTD. 17:00:56 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:01:56 *** Goulp [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:04 *** Muxy [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has quit [Quit: PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 17:02:19 *** Goulp is now known as Muxy 17:02:24 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aoq57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 17:02:36 <yorick> oskari89: if you're using path signals, use normal ones 17:02:39 <yorick> they turn faster 17:02:55 <yorick> which makes it surprisingly less annoying 17:03:00 <yorick> because they turn back too 17:04:23 <oskari89> I'm using path singals always. 17:04:55 <yorick> there's your disadvantage 17:05:10 <yorick> they don't automatically turn back instantly with path signals 17:05:32 <yorick> just don't use path signals when normal signals would do exactly the same 17:05:38 <yorick> ;) 17:06:25 <oskari89> It cannot be configured? 17:06:34 <oskari89> No turning at all? 17:07:03 <yorick> it probably can 17:08:20 <Rhamphoryncus> I missed half this conversation.. 17:09:00 *** worldemar [~woldemar@85.114.161.18] has joined #openttd 17:09:49 <yorick> 17:59 < oskari89> Can automatic train turning when waiting a green light on 17:09:50 <yorick> signal be turned off? 17:10:35 <Rhamphoryncus> Ah, there's a variable for that 17:11:04 <Rhamphoryncus> I actually wish it was faster too. What happens more often is they turn because some track gets destroyed. Then I have to manually turn them back 17:11:46 <yorick> they turn back automatically with normal signals 17:12:19 <Rhamphoryncus> they'd eventually turn back with path signals.. just takes very long 17:12:28 <Rhamphoryncus> And this is with one-way path signals 17:16:35 <oskari89> Is the variable on config? 17:18:04 <Rhamphoryncus> it's an internal one, you can set it from the config file or from the console 17:18:27 <thingwath> http://wiki.openttd.org/Yet_Another_PBS_Patch#Advanced_patch_options (the first one in the table) 17:18:49 <Rhamphoryncus> beware, it's for turning around at *any* "waiting for a path", so you'll probably get lots of unintended reversals 17:23:40 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 17:30:21 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17963 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: some documentation style 17:31:14 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c3fb2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:50 <Rhamphoryncus> huh, all the attachment links give me 404. Any idea why? http://bugs.openttd.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=1128 17:36:55 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:37:12 <yorick> because attachement.php gives you 404? 17:37:39 <Rhamphoryncus> thanks :P 17:38:15 <yorick> or getfile or whatever this script is called 17:38:16 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:41:52 <Rubidium> use http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1128 instead of that ancient URL 17:42:43 <Eddi|zuHause> Nov 3 18:41:16 johannes-i kernel: MCE: The hardware reports a non fatal, correctable incident occurred on CPU 0. 17:42:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Nov 3 18:41:16 johannes-i kernel: Bank 1: 9400400000000152 17:43:03 <Eddi|zuHause> what do i do with such remarks? 17:43:52 <Rubidium> is the hardware still within warranty? 17:44:48 <Rubidium> if so, definitely let them make a notification about this that if your proc breaks on end-of-warranty+1 you can claim you've reported it before the warranty ended and they deemed it unneeded to replace 17:44:57 <_ln> "dear vendor, my computer has a 9400400000000152, can i get a new one through warranty?" 17:47:28 <Eddi|zuHause> no, my computer is definitely out ouf warranty for years 17:48:47 <Rubidium> then implement/review your backup strategy of that machine 17:48:55 <Rhamphoryncus> okay, figured it out. If I click on start watching it gives me an ancient version of the page, with broken links 17:49:30 <Eddi|zuHause> my backup strategy is "i need a new one" for years... 17:49:45 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe around christmas-ish 17:50:11 <Rhamphoryncus> Rubidium: so where do I report bug tracker bugs to? 17:51:06 <Rubidium> TrueBrain :)... uhm, no the website 'section' of the tracker; see the dropdown in the 'toolbars' 17:55:20 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:58:35 <Rhamphoryncus> thanks, done 17:58:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.168.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:59:10 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:00:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.168.90] has joined #openttd 18:05:40 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: what? 18:06:15 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: remember that you worked on the links for files, not me ;) 18:06:36 *** Grumble [~Grumble@28-162.76-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 18:07:20 <Rubidium> remember that you worked on flyspray behind proxy? 18:07:28 <yorick> t is like r, but one to the right 18:07:42 <TrueBrain> in this case I think it has to do with your changes :) 18:07:43 <Rubidium> my links for files just added a piece of bogus ignored data to the links 18:08:02 <TrueBrain> somehow the links are relative instead of absolute :p 18:08:11 *** violetblood [~fcp@79.114.67.14] has joined #openttd 18:09:25 <Rubidium> the 'task' part is missing for some stupid reason 18:09:42 <TrueBrain> in the first case the link already contains the 'task' part .. in the second it doesn't 18:16:33 <Rubidium> might be fixed now 18:19:35 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 18:21:09 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:27:07 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 18:43:28 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@207.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 18:43:41 <Terkhen> hello 18:44:34 *** Luukland [~luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:45:02 <Luukland> Loads of clients tonight :S 18:45:23 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r17964 /trunk/src/lang/ (estonian.txt greek.txt): 18:45:23 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:23 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: estonian - 27 changes by KSiimson 18:45:23 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: greek - 1 changes by fumantsu 18:49:51 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:50:22 <Luukland> 180 clients, 45 on mine servers :S 18:50:26 <Luukland> 25% :p 18:50:31 <Luukland> Still no 100% xD 18:52:16 <Rubidium> yet they're all using mine! 18:52:20 <andythenorth> hai hai 18:52:29 * Rubidium runs 18:53:00 <Luukland> not a mine >_< 18:53:01 <Luukland> Argh 18:53:08 * Luukland dives down 18:53:50 <Luukland> Seems like some other server stole our servers settings 18:53:58 <Luukland> with solid starting times >_< 18:59:10 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: see see! Now it is at the correct time :) /me is happy :) 19:00:23 <frosch123> TrueBrain: let's see what happens in 5 months 19:00:49 <TrueBrain> that is in the future; I don't care about the future right now :p 19:10:08 <Rhamphoryncus> anybody got a favourite timetable separation patch that applies cleanly to trunk or cargodist? 19:18:34 *** Grumble [~Grumble@28-162.76-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 19:18:35 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:22:07 *** erhett [qqqmv@ppp83-237-216-48.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:28:43 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:30:12 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 19:30:12 *** Luukland [~luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:36:18 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:36:18 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 19:40:14 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 19:41:21 *** mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008103100]] 19:43:38 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 19:46:01 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.152.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:45 *** kingpin [~ikarus@79.114.44.48] has joined #openttd 19:55:58 *** erhett [qqqmv@ppp83-237-216-48.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has left #openttd [] 19:56:42 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@23.152.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 19:57:26 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd10e.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59:45 *** Fenris [~fenris@p578E2FE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:00:07 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.15.168.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 20:04:20 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17965 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: query string window uses pure nested widgets. 20:09:09 *** zachanima [~zach@50A2D9A9.flatrate.dk] has joined #openttd 20:09:23 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 20:09:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@88.130.178.80] has joined #openttd 20:12:09 *** zachanima [~zach@50A2D9A9.flatrate.dk] has quit [] 20:12:16 *** zachanima [~zach@50A2D9A9.flatrate.dk] has joined #openttd 20:12:19 *** zachanima [~zach@50A2D9A9.flatrate.dk] has left #openttd [] 20:12:26 <andythenorth> evening 20:12:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.168.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:13:15 *** violetblood [~fcp@79.114.67.14] has quit [] 20:13:45 <frosch123> it does not rain today, right? 20:13:52 <kingpin> evening ;) 20:14:05 <kingpin> no, not raining anymore 20:14:08 <Rubidium> it does rain today! 20:15:12 <andythenorth> frosch123: bloody does rain today. don't ask. I ride a bike to work. 20:15:29 <andythenorth> I am just reading about new airports (try 2) which looks nice 20:15:59 <andythenorth> @seen yexo 20:15:59 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: yexo was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 0 days, 8 hours, 59 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <Yexo> it's either a percentage of the maximum reliability or a fixed number of days 20:16:14 *** kingpin is now known as ikarus2k 20:16:18 <frosch123> yup, but still lots to do :) 20:16:51 <andythenorth> just reading the spec...trying to figure out if airports can be built entirely on water...or if they must transcend the coastline 20:17:10 <frosch123> of course they can be built entirely on water 20:17:44 <andythenorth> thought so 20:17:53 <frosch123> though maybe you cannot distinguish sea, canal and river. not sure though 20:19:04 *** guru3 [~guru3@78-105-161-85.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:05 <andythenorth> anyone thought about newgrf docks? would there be any point to them? 20:19:10 *** guru3 [~guru3@78-105-161-85.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:19:30 <frosch123> for sure not this year 20:19:47 <andythenorth> :D 20:19:54 <andythenorth> would they actually be fun / useful though? 20:20:03 <Rubidium> andythenorth: yes, yes, in try 1 it would be an extension-ish of airports which would then be extended for road stations and finally possibly even for train stations (routing trains over your own layout) 20:20:23 <andythenorth> so docks and road stations would move to a state machine? 20:20:41 <frosch123> but that will cause lots of trouble for pathfinders, similiar to the current pbs-multiple-waypoint-for-station-issue 20:21:27 <frosch123> andythenorth: docks more likely than roadstops, and both far more likely than trainstations 20:22:03 <andythenorth> that's fine by me. I'm not much in favour of state machine for roadstops or docks 20:22:04 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17966 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Fix (r17965): The Default button should be disabled in some cases rather than the Ok button. 20:22:20 <Rubidium> andythenorth: thinking about something doesn't imply it gets implemented 20:22:29 <andythenorth> :P 20:22:38 <Rubidium> people are thinking about making OpenTTD fully 3D, not likely it happens 20:22:38 <andythenorth> If only thinking = code, my projects would be much more done 20:23:03 <Rubidium> people are/were thinking about writing OpenTTD in C#/Java, yet I haven't seen such an implementation 20:23:33 * Alberth thinks about writing a direct brain -> computer interface 20:23:45 <andythenorth> Alberth: I thought the same, so it's done already 20:24:01 <Alberth> bummer 20:25:33 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17967 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Specify that the buttons of the query string window should be equal in size. 20:30:28 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:33:43 <SmatZ> Noldo: airlines aren't healthcare 20:34:06 <SmatZ> healthcare should be available for all people to supply "base life quality" or so 20:35:33 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 20:42:00 <MyCatVerbs> Rubidium: Urgh, why would they want that? That would be mindblowingly slow. 20:43:19 <MyCatVerbs> Not that I'm saying C# and Java are both ridiculously slow or anything, but OpenTTD is written to benefit from the set of optimisations that GCC can be gotten to perform easily. 20:44:16 <Alberth> C and C++ are out, C# and Java are in, perhaps? 20:44:25 <MyCatVerbs> Rather than the optimisations that a VM will perform for you, even. 20:45:49 <Belugas> shit 20:45:50 <Belugas> shit 20:46:13 <frosch123> MyCatVerbs: i would guess 60% of all programmers know only one language, and think it is the best to rule them all 20:46:23 * Alberth offers a 'yeah' to Belugas 20:46:43 <MyCatVerbs> frosch123: Really? That sounds depressing. 20:47:01 <Belugas> anyone knows of an api in windows to call, in order to verify if an OLE object is registered WITHOUT having to deal with registries? 20:47:35 * frosch123 never dealt with ole stuff 20:47:45 <MyCatVerbs> frosch123: I have no particular foundation for this belief, but I suspect that the majority of programmers actually know at least one and a half. Namely, whatever they write serverside (annoyingly often, PHP), plus half-knowing javascript. 20:48:02 * Alberth never programmed a Win* machine 20:48:27 <MyCatVerbs> On account of webapps happening to be cheaper to make than native GUI apps, and in a way more stable. 20:48:33 <ikarus2k> frosch123: dunno, I know actionscript (yey!) and a bit of a couple others (php, JS). they all suck 20:48:45 <Xaroth> <@Rubidium> people are/were thinking about writing OpenTTD in C#/Java, yet I haven't seen such an implementation << saw it too, the C# code wasn't optimized enough to run anything semi-decent 20:48:56 *** lkt [~lkt@lan-78-157-71-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 20:48:56 <frosch123> ok, i thought more of applications than webpages 20:49:25 <Xaroth> for performance stuff, the lower level you go, the better it gets. 20:49:54 <Alberth> after getting the algorithms right :) 20:50:00 <glx> screen repaint is nasty with C# (it's weirder on vista) 20:50:02 <MyCatVerbs> ikarus2k: oh, you just started a holy war. :) 20:50:17 <frosch123> however, the whole windows world does not know awk, sed, yacc and co; so they write every simple text processing/code generation in c/c++/java/c# ... 20:50:23 <ikarus2k> MyCatVerbs: lol, that was inevitable ;) 20:50:31 <MyCatVerbs> ikarus2k: namely, I really really really honestly do think that you're incorrect about javascript sucking. :) 20:50:45 <Xaroth> C#, like java, as easy as they are, don't have the performance that you need for a game like ttd 20:51:06 <Sacro> C# does 20:51:08 <MyCatVerbs> ikarus2k: 1. get Firebug, 2. learn that you now have a Javascript REPL, 3. learn how much fun a REPL is to use, 4. rejoice! 20:51:50 <MyCatVerbs> Xaroth: Oh, you'd be surprised. You have to mess with the structure of your program a little, though. 20:51:56 <Xaroth> a little? 20:52:06 <ikarus2k> MyCatVerbs: :P. I hate having to code in 3-4 different languages, just cuz people are scared of flash 20:53:08 <MyCatVerbs> Xaroth: Yes. "A little" in the same sense that programmers use the term "not trivial". :) 20:53:26 <MyCatVerbs> ikarus2k: I like switching languages, keeps me on my toes. ;) 20:53:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-62-114.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:53:35 <Xaroth> a little as in, it takes a whole different approach at designing yer app :P 20:53:39 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.4/20091016092926]] 20:53:42 <MyCatVerbs> But actionscript isn't different enough from Flash for it to be a huge pain in the arse, is it? 20:53:42 <ikarus2k> lol 20:54:07 <ikarus2k> MyCatVerbs: ? flash uses actionscript 20:54:21 <MyCatVerbs> Brainfart. s/Flash/javascript/ 20:54:39 <ikarus2k> MyCatVerbs: though coding is nicer in Flex 20:54:46 <MyCatVerbs> Actionscript is based on some particular version of the ECMAscript standard, which is based off javascript. 20:54:59 *** lkt [~lkt@lan-78-157-71-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: Q: Why did the programmer call his mother long distance? A: Because that was her name.] 20:55:04 <ikarus2k> MyCatVerbs: neh, they're both based on ecma 20:55:48 <ikarus2k> guys, can you have a look at some suggestions of mine for OpenTTD 20:55:55 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:55:56 <ikarus2k> I don't want to post duplicates 20:56:00 <MyCatVerbs> ikarus2k: Ah, no. Javascript predates ECMAscript by quite some time. :) 20:56:04 <ikarus2k> and would like your input too: 20:56:08 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:08 <ikarus2k> http://wiki.openttd.org/User:Ikarus 20:56:55 <MyCatVerbs> ikarus2k: your gameplay idea #3 amuses me. 20:57:13 <ikarus2k> :P 20:57:23 <MyCatVerbs> Because of the bug where, if you buy shares in another company... 20:57:28 <MyCatVerbs> And they buy shares in you... 20:57:46 <MyCatVerbs> The share prices of both companies tank, and everybody loses all their money :D 20:57:50 <Alberth> "advanced configuration in tab, not tree view for Interface, Construction ... " ha ha!, they were that way before I changed to tree view :p 20:57:50 <ikarus2k> lol, forgot about that 20:58:38 <Xaroth> Alberth: I actually prefered tabs though, but I learnt to live with treeview :) 20:58:41 <ikarus2k> Alberth: tree view can get quite cluttered :( 20:59:54 <Alberth> problem was that tabs are not easily expanded with new options, and with sub-tabs. 21:00:07 <Xaroth> yep 21:00:18 <Alberth> I still cannot find the option when I need one though :( 21:01:06 <Alberth> "station window should display "Supplies: ..." below "Accepts: ..." " it does this, doesn't it? 21:01:32 <ikarus2k> "I still cannot find the option when I need one though :(" lol 21:01:53 <ikarus2k> Alberth: no, they are not there for me, only "Accepts; .. " 21:02:07 <ikarus2k> did I miss a setting/option? 21:02:51 <Alberth> oh, not the station picker window, but the goods-at-station window. oh, that may be the case yes 21:04:00 <frosch123> Alberth: it needs a filter box to auto-expand/collapse/hide :) 21:04:09 <ikarus2k> station picker? I mean the window that opens when you click the station 21:04:41 <Alberth> under ratings, the list is there, it seems 21:05:39 <ikarus2k> yep, but it'd be useful to simply be next to "Accepts: ..." 21:07:10 <Alberth> the suggestion is valid thus. 21:08:38 <Alberth> good night 21:08:49 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@ip4da2ce4e.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 21:09:36 * Rhamphoryncus plots his own timetable autoseparator, because obviously we don't have enough variants yet 21:09:56 <ikarus2k> bye 21:12:01 <Rhamphoryncus> And not just because I haven't gotten any others to apply & build cleanly yet.. 21:15:05 <Alberth> use an old enough version of trunk :p 21:15:25 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:16:36 <Eddi|zuHause> what's wrong with the one i updated? 21:18:11 <Rhamphoryncus> Eddi|zuHause: I haven't found it yet 21:18:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Rhamphoryncus: it's on the first page, called "improved timetable management" 21:19:01 <Eddi|zuHause> and in the end of that thread 21:20:01 <Rhamphoryncus> The patches at the start make it sound like it's specific to cargodest, based on their naming 21:20:33 <Rhamphoryncus> I do already have the thread open; currently on page 4 21:21:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it was originally based on cargodest, but it does not depend on it in any kind 21:22:16 <Rhamphoryncus> So am I supposed to use the first or third attachment? 21:23:12 <Eddi|zuHause> neither, you should go to the end of the thread, and take the attachment there 21:23:21 <Rhamphoryncus> nm, found the right one 21:27:22 <Rhamphoryncus> still got a few rejects. Not as bad though 21:30:04 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 21:31:57 *** Fast2_ [~Fast2@p57AF9BF8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:35:57 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:38:33 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@ip4da2ce4e.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:40:11 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@ip4da2ce4e.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 21:44:00 *** Fenris [~fenris@p578E2FE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 21:45:22 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051188024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:48:49 <Belugas> mmh... 21:48:51 <Belugas> found it 21:48:58 <Belugas> stupidly simple 21:49:04 <Belugas> well... at least in Delphi 21:49:14 *** csuke [~keith.aus@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 21:52:12 <Belugas> Result := ClassIDToProgID(<PLACE_YOUR_CLSID_HERE>) <> ''; 21:52:16 <Belugas> that's it 21:52:35 <Belugas> if the call fails, your system does not have the said CLSID 21:52:41 <Belugas> youhou! 21:52:52 <Rubidium> Result := RunningAway() 21:59:06 <Belugas> almost :D 21:59:25 <Belugas> you don't need the '()' for a function that has no params in DElphi ;) 21:59:41 <Belugas> such a beautiful language 22:00:02 <ikarus2k> isn't it just good practice to include the brackets? 22:00:30 <Belugas> in Delphi? no, it's a compile failure 22:00:44 <ikarus2k> lol 22:00:55 <Belugas> mmh... 22:01:03 <Belugas> depending on the setting of the compiler... 22:01:21 <Belugas> it does work on mine, but it's a bit of a tweaked one... 22:01:41 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 22:01:42 <Belugas> so... i change my assertion 22:01:51 <Belugas> no, it's not a compile failure. 22:02:10 <Belugas> and personnally, i don't think it's a good practice. 22:02:23 <Belugas> if there is nothing to specify, do not specify anything 22:02:31 <Belugas> it's less confusing that way 22:02:48 <Belugas> now about the difference between a function with no argument and a variable... 22:02:55 <Belugas> name your stuff accordingly 22:03:44 <ikarus2k> hmmm ... I like keeping them just to single out functions easier 22:03:54 <Belugas> _bUseSIMDll := False; 22:03:54 <Belugas> _bSIMDLLSystemAvailable := VerifySIMDLLSystemAvailability; 22:03:56 <Belugas> sample 22:04:06 <ikarus2k> (don't know a grain of Delphi for that matter) 22:04:13 <Belugas> ikarus2k, it's a personal choice 22:04:18 <Belugas> nothing more , nothing less 22:04:57 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 22:05:19 <ikarus2k> was just making smalltalk :P 22:07:12 <Belugas> when it's a choice shared by colleagues, it's a standard 22:07:14 <Belugas> ho.. 22:07:16 <Belugas> you were 22:07:19 <Belugas> well... 22:07:22 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-0cf9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 22:07:24 <Belugas> looks like me not 22:08:01 <ikarus2k> lol 22:08:33 <Zuu> Has anyone seen a parking lot like this: http://www.industrinyheter.se/sites/default/files/story/2009/nov/29730_parkering.jpg before? It is obviously in the states or Canada. Not so much trucks though. ;-) 22:08:48 <Belugas> and NOW it's a time for leaving (not related to Zuu)... 22:08:59 <Zuu> Night Belugas 22:10:00 <Rhamphoryncus> Zuu: Doesn't look familiar. It does look more artistic than practical though 22:10:04 * Belugas thinks about a canadian parking. dunno 22:10:07 * Belugas is gone 22:10:13 <frosch123> night belugas 22:10:18 <frosch123> night everyone 22:10:23 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c3fb2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:28 <ikarus2k> g'night guys 22:10:42 <Zuu> Looks more like something at some tourist place than something you see very often. 22:10:57 <Zuu> Especially with the statue in the middle. 22:10:58 <Rhamphoryncus> right 22:11:30 <ikarus2k> yeah, not that weird though 22:11:44 <Zuu> If one only knew where on google maps/earth to start to look :-D 22:11:53 <ikarus2k> lol 22:11:58 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:52 <Rhamphoryncus> Given the width, you could probably square out the corners, then add a partial double row down the middle, and get probably a 50% increase in capacity 22:13:13 <Rhamphoryncus> You'd lose the statue though 22:14:33 <Zuu> Yea, it is not very effective on land use, but then tell me how are americans effective on land use? :-) (no offence) 22:14:35 <ikarus2k> :)) 22:14:37 <Rubidium> Zuu: English speaking countries 22:15:24 <ikarus2k> actually, I quite like how wastefull the americans are with their roads 22:15:34 <ikarus2k> 8-10 lane highways 22:16:03 <ikarus2k> not even mother russia had those 22:16:20 <ikarus2k> and it was almost a law to make things huge 22:16:23 <Zuu> I'm still amazed that I can only see 2 trucks on the picture. That is not really North American with so few trucks. ;-) 22:17:08 <ikarus2k> well, i see a merc and an audi 22:17:39 <ikarus2k> it's most def USA, might just be a better neighbourhood ;) 22:17:46 <Rubidium> Zuu: 2 Telegraph Hill Blvd, San Francisco 22:18:40 <Zuu> Thanks Rubidium, you're good. Or you know someone who know someone who know.. :-) 22:18:41 <Rubidium> hmm... I've been there (on a bike) 22:18:54 <Zuu> Or you just have been there.. 22:19:56 <Rubidium> the parking was dark and empty when I was there though 22:21:44 <Zuu> Hmm, why is all/most google earth images on the suroundings and not on the traffic solution... :-s Why don't they realize that traffic solutions are interesting :-) 22:22:13 <Zuu> But it seams like you get a good view from there. 22:22:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i find it more annoying that google maps can't show you tram or bus lines when plotting a route 22:23:15 <Rhamphoryncus> Eddi|zuHause: seconded 22:23:16 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:23:36 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 22:23:45 <ikarus2k> Rubidium: do you know anything about the California High speed rail line? 22:23:46 <Zuu> Yea, that is also annoying. Good thing. Gothenburg (our scenod largest city) got a route planer for walk and bike traffic. 22:24:06 <Zuu> But that only helps if you live there... 22:24:19 <Zuu> Which most people do not do. 22:26:10 <Rubidium> ikarus2k: besides that it won't be happening? 22:26:20 <ikarus2k> what? 22:26:28 <ikarus2k> is it officially dead? 22:27:41 <Rubidium> oh... they apparantly voted for it... crazy money spending Californians 22:27:56 <Eddi|zuHause> that was before they ran out of money? 22:28:17 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yes 22:28:28 <ikarus2k> lol 22:28:50 <Rubidium> but *any* bill that increases taxes gets automatically rejected, so... I really doubt that they can keep paying for it 22:28:51 <ikarus2k> I hope Obama will jump in and save things 22:29:31 <MyCatVerbs> Rubidium: nah, all he has to do is cut the entire Navy, budget solved. :) 22:29:34 <Rubidium> putting federal money in a bottomless pit doesn't save them, it just keeps them longer afloat 22:29:44 <MyCatVerbs> Or, more likely, just print bills. 22:29:46 <ikarus2k> :( 22:30:14 <Rubidium> MyCatVerbs: a) California doesn't have a navy, b) California, or the US for that matter, controls the printing of money 22:30:19 <ikarus2k> I really had hoped for high speed rail in america 22:30:52 <MyCatVerbs> Rubidium: oh sorry, ikarus2k mentioned Obama, I jumped in without checking the upscroll. I thought you were talking about something at the Federal level. 22:33:03 <Rubidium> ikarus2k: cheap petrol + cheap cars + cheap aircraft => trains aren't profitable 22:33:45 <ikarus2k> :( 22:33:59 <Rubidium> and the distance is just huge 22:34:25 <ikarus2k> that should make it more profitable 22:34:28 <MyCatVerbs> Petrol won't stay cheap. For freight, the long distances will amplify the benefits many times over. 22:34:49 <MyCatVerbs> s/will/would/ 22:35:15 <ikarus2k> how about the acela express? 22:35:25 <ikarus2k> that seems to be holding on well 22:35:48 <ikarus2k> wikipedia says it's even had an increase in passengers lately 22:35:56 <MyCatVerbs> And frankly, we all know that there exists nothing else in the domain of our lord Sawyer as profitable as a half-kiloton monorail train blasting its way across flat plains with an enormous load of coal. :) 22:36:12 <ikarus2k> ^^^ =)) 22:36:13 <Zuu> The hopes are not that high. I was in Vancouver, which is on the other side of the border up north. This summer they finished a new sky train line (like metro but most of their is above ground), but they havn't built any longer stations than their currently very short stations on their other lines. The trains are just three cars long and the platforms does not have room for more cars. It is driverless so they can probably hav 22:36:13 <Zuu> e a quite short margin between the trains but still their trains are very short. So it has been a nice thing for the existing commuters, but they will not be able to take any major market shares with it from the car driving population. 22:36:15 <Rubidium> ikarus2k: much shorter distance, at least Washington-NY. Though taxi+aircraft is about as fast as acela, some 15 minutes faster with the train or so) 22:36:56 <Rubidium> even then, ever seen what Los Angeles actually is? 22:37:06 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd10e.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 22:37:51 <ikarus2k> from g. earth, reminds me a bit of a borg cube 22:37:53 <ikarus2k> ;) 22:38:03 <Rhamphoryncus> hrm. Make is failing with "Error 2", but there's no error message. (This is after I tried to update Eddi's patch) 22:38:13 <Zuu> MyCatVerbs: Actually if I am not mistaken the average speed on freight is higher in the states than in Europe. But I'm not 100 sure. 22:38:19 <Zuu> (on rail that is) 22:38:27 <Rubidium> a large number of smaller towns with, AFAIK, not really a public transportation network to speak of 22:39:04 <ikarus2k> oh man, that's such an oppurtunity 22:39:07 <Rubidium> Zuu: wouldn't be strange; those huge trains going non-stop from east-to-west because there's (almost) no passenger transportation 22:39:38 <ikarus2k> there was this tale of 2 shoemakers going to india 22:39:55 <Rhamphoryncus> Is there some way to tell where make is failing, or trace the commands it's executing? 22:39:56 <ikarus2k> the frist reported back home "what the hell am i gonna do here, nobody is wearing shoes" 22:39:57 <Zuu> And not 4 different electricity systems and problems with train driver license only being valid in each member state is it is in Europe/EU. 22:40:19 <ikarus2k> the other was exhalted "this is great, so many people to sell shoes too" 22:40:36 <Rhamphoryncus> ah, make -d 22:40:47 <ikarus2k> Zuu: and nevertheless, we have intl high speed rail :) 22:41:17 <Zuu> I was more refering to goods trains in the EU. 22:41:19 <Zuu> But sure 22:41:34 <Zuu> Though, up north we are still waiting for it. 22:42:20 <ikarus2k> I'm reallly curious what bombardier will come up with these years 22:42:38 <ikarus2k> they've been buying EU train builders like crazy 22:43:00 <ikarus2k> they should be done combining the different technologies by now 22:43:08 <ikarus2k> (i hope) 22:43:54 <ikarus2k> then again, wait 1-2 years and China will present the fruits of its recent purchases ;) 22:44:24 <Rubidium> a bankrupt US? 22:44:28 <Rubidium> a worthless dollar? 22:44:47 <ikarus2k> they wont let that happen 22:44:56 <ikarus2k> they need the market 22:45:45 <ikarus2k> (i was talking about the high speed trains they bought, from about every major manufacturer, 60pieces each) 22:47:56 <Rubidium> why would they want high speed trains when they have working maglev? 22:47:58 <Zuu> Oh, Bombadier put VHS to a new meaning - Very High Speed :-) 22:48:31 <ikarus2k> Rubidium: cuz thats too expensive, eve for them 22:48:47 <ikarus2k> they've been struggling to build an extension line 22:48:58 <Rubidium> tss... it can't be that expensive 22:49:11 <ikarus2k> maybe they just couldnt reverse engineer it ;) 22:49:27 <Rubidium> those 1000 billion the US 'loaned' from them... should've been enough for some extension 22:49:36 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:50:17 <ikarus2k> they need that to get Taiwan back ;) 22:50:21 <ikarus2k> "back" 22:51:01 <Rhamphoryncus> ahhh, there we go. By the time I got the failed hunks figured out I forgot that the new files were in a separate tarball 22:51:45 <ikarus2k> Rhamphoryncus: that must suck 22:52:09 <Rhamphoryncus> ikarus2k: wouldn't have been a problem if make gave sane error messages 22:52:51 <ikarus2k> Rubidium: here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai-Hangzhou_Maglev_Train 22:53:09 <ikarus2k> seems public opinion was at fault 22:53:18 <Rhamphoryncus> Rubidium: maglev can't be incrementally changed over 22:54:14 <Rhamphoryncus> So it's only relevant to new, isolated lines 22:54:18 <Rubidium> no, just drag the whole country with the convert too, and presto 22:54:31 <ikarus2k> geesh, those chineze sure have a nack to make even maglevs look cheap 22:54:39 <ikarus2k> (have a look at the interior) 22:54:42 <Rhamphoryncus> pfft. You know damn well that doesn't work on the trains, even in depots. Big pain to switch them over 22:56:06 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@li26-205.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56:34 <Rubidium> or... build a nice sign saying "Cht: Tracks 0 2" somewhere in China 22:56:37 *** csuke [~keith.aus@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [] 22:57:12 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@li26-205.members.linode.com] has joined #openttd 22:57:21 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:11 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@li26-205.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:58:45 <Zuu> Hehe, I like Bombardiers advertising on their website. It looks exactly like the same kind of advertising that the hearing aid manufacturs put on theri websites. Just that trains is just not really what most people would get/buy. 22:59:16 <Zuu> Nice pictures mixed with specs and sales speak. 23:02:39 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@li26-205.members.linode.com] has joined #openttd 23:03:46 <MyCatVerbs> Zuu: most business-to-business engineering sales sites are like that, AFAIK. 23:05:15 *** zachanima [~zach@50A2D9A9.flatrate.dk] has joined #openttd 23:06:15 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:08:23 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:19 <fonsinchen> There is a cargopacket constructor which doesn't initialize anything 23:11:27 <fonsinchen> It is intended for save/load 23:12:36 <fonsinchen> as the memory isn't zeroed for cargo packets we need to be sure the saveload system fully initializes the packets ... 23:12:54 <fonsinchen> And that no one else calls this constructor. 23:15:27 <ikarus2k> im off 23:15:29 <ikarus2k> c u guys 23:15:43 *** ikarus2k [~ikarus@79.114.44.48] has quit [Quit: ikarus2k] 23:16:18 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 23:16:34 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish] 23:16:34 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 23:16:34 *** tneo [~tneo@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 23:16:34 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:34 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:41 * Rubidium points at valgrind 23:18:33 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 23:21:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B7B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21:33 <Rhamphoryncus> Eddi|zuHause: I got it working, thanks 23:22:05 <Zuu> Valgrind is indeed a really nice tool. 23:22:27 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:38 *** zachanima [~zach@50A2D9A9.flatrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:26:50 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:44 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 23:31:17 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 23:31:57 *** zachanima [~zach@50A2D9A9.flatrate.dk] has joined #openttd 23:34:18 <Terkhen> good night 23:34:18 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@207.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:35:21 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:21 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 23:37:37 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 23:37:44 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 23:38:22 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 23:40:08 *** tneo [~tneo@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 23:41:24 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:46 *** Fast2_ [~Fast2@p57AF9BF8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:57:23 *** zachanima [~zach@50A2D9A9.flatrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:58:13 *** Guest677 [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 23:59:37 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE941.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: May the schwartz be with you! 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