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[~chatzilla@CPE-121-210-80-70.slzx1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:44:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.181.96] has joined #openttd 09:59:47 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18027 /trunk/src/ (14 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: make some unneededly global variables static and remove some unused variables 10:08:04 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db00ff0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:14:59 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.220.8] has joined #openttd 10:40:45 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18028 /trunk/src/ (38 files in 5 dirs): -Codechange: unglobalise some functions 10:45:50 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:49:17 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:50:08 *** fonsinchen [~alve@V9454.v.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 11:14:04 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226147188.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:17:58 <Lachie> g'day, could anyone tell me how I'd represent the word 11:18:12 <Lachie> "D000" in cb23 11:18:37 <Rubidium> 00 D0 ? 11:20:15 <Rubidium> hmm, probably you got to return 0 11:20:29 <Rubidium> because D000 is added in OpenTTD 11:21:12 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db815a9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:22:13 <Lachie> so D000 has already been defined in OTTD? 11:23:09 <Rubidium> yup 11:23:40 <Lachie> is there a list of which strings haven't been defined yet? 11:24:06 <Lachie> or 11:24:17 <Lachie> more logically, which have been 11:26:17 <Lachie> nevermind 11:26:19 <Lachie> google is my friend 11:27:54 <Lachie> actually no, it isn't 11:28:02 <Noldo> that's sad 11:28:49 <Lachie> indeed, I thought I'd made one for once in my life haha 11:29:33 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db815a9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:31:47 <Rubidium> Lachie: I wouldn't know; I'm not really a nfo expert 11:35:18 <Lachie> fair enough 11:36:27 <Lachie> I just peeked through the source code and there didn't appear to be any mention of an ID for any of the strings 11:36:31 <Lachie> though perhaps I'm doing it wrong 11:36:46 <Lachie> numerical ID* 11:42:11 <Lachie> who would be a good person to ask about it? 11:42:45 <Rubidium> frosch or DaleStan I'd say 11:51:30 <Lachie> hmm 11:51:34 <petern> so 11:51:49 <Lachie> actually noticing that nforenum appears to change "00 D0" to "00 FF" 11:51:55 <petern> when i right click in a viewport it moves by whatever the last mouse movement was 11:52:09 <petern> cos delta.x/y are not reset to zero after a movement event 11:52:28 <petern> the win32 driver explicitly resets these after the gameloop is called 11:52:39 <petern> but not so for sdl or other drivers 11:52:54 <Lachie> I'll try encoding it directly from an nfo and see what pops up 11:54:33 <Lachie> wait 11:54:36 <Lachie> facepalms 11:55:07 <Lachie> it was an issue with my makefile as opposed to a problem with the nfo it seems 12:02:41 <Lachie> however it hasn't made the additional text show up 12:02:44 <Lachie> I'll try some more tomorrow 12:02:48 <Lachie> thanks for your help Rubidium 12:03:48 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.56.130] has joined #openttd 12:10:39 <MyCatVerbs> petern: That is a pretty nifty bug. :) 12:12:08 *** Goulp [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has quit [Quit: PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 12:20:43 <Rubidium> petern: so it needs to be reset at the end of gameloop instead of in the video driver? 12:21:36 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:22:57 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.220.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:23:41 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@CPE-121-210-80-70.slzx1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 12:27:34 <petern> Rubidium, i don't know 12:27:46 <petern> Rubidium, the mouse fix part of the video driver uses delta.x + dx though 12:27:54 <petern> which suggests it shouldn't be reset 12:28:16 <petern> (but then scrolling wouldn't work right on win32) 12:37:44 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 12:42:27 <Rubidium> I got the feeling that cursor.delta.x should be zeroed after each mouseloop, i.e. each time it's used 12:44:05 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/like_so.diff 12:44:23 *** Goulp [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 12:44:23 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DED55.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:57:16 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.220.8] has joined #openttd 12:59:07 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:04:29 <petern> mmm, so what's the cursor.x += dx bit about then? 13:04:36 <petern> er, delta.x 13:04:48 <petern> should then "delta.x = dx" work just as well? 13:06:39 <Rubidium> I guess so 13:07:42 *** sdafsdf [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:10:47 <Rubidium> r7157 is the 'culprit': it changed the behaviour of handling mouse stuff from once a tick to once a tick and once a mouse event 13:11:06 <Rubidium> as such summing isn't needed anymore since r7157 13:14:01 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:14:02 *** sdafsdf is now known as LadyHawk 13:20:05 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 13:46:57 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:48:26 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9F28.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:49:26 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:55:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C4A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:09:11 <Belugas> hello 14:09:17 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 14:17:15 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@87.115.36.134.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 14:25:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C4A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27:35 <petern> ahh 14:28:46 *** glx 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A 'post all your suggestions here' thread in the graphics forum 14:49:34 <andythenorth> 9.9 14:50:05 <petern> StarLionIsaac, yeah, that's ugly 14:52:49 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.220.8] has quit [Quit: ...] 14:54:03 <petern> hmm 14:54:07 <petern> there's code to make spaces 14:54:12 <petern> but the spacer is 0, 0 14:54:51 <petern> or something 14:55:07 <petern> definately something, i don't understand the widgets enough to know :) 15:08:48 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:12:56 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EF038.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:16:51 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: glx * r18029 /trunk/src/ (fileio.cpp fileio_func.h): -Fix (r18028): AppendPathSeparator() should stay global 15:29:03 <StarLionIsaac> question: besides lack of graphics, what stops us having diagonal stations? 15:29:40 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@190.50.57.44] has joined #openttd 15:31:19 *** nicfer2 [~Usuario@190.50.57.44] has joined #openttd 15:31:19 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@190.50.57.44] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:16 <Rubidium> code, possible newgrf breakage, ... 15:34:02 <StarLionIsaac> why newgrf breakage? if a station-set doesn't define any graphics specifically for diagonals, then it doesn't have them, no problem I see there 15:34:09 <Rubidium> ghehe... people are complaining about the windows/widgets getting more consistent spacing 15:34:13 <StarLionIsaac> unless it tries to use them when there aren't any 15:34:21 <StarLionIsaac> because it's ugly without the spaces on the toolbar, that's why 15:34:48 <Rubidium> StarLionIsaac: was more thinking about trains that might be doing something special for station tiles 15:35:02 <Rubidium> the spaces are still there, they're a bit smaller though 15:35:29 <StarLionIsaac> 1/2 space per tile for a diagonal, I know, it'd just mean making them a bit longer... take a bit more space though 15:35:55 <StarLionIsaac> I just got to thinking, if we have the possibility for diag airstrips in newgrf airports try 2, why not stations as well 15:35:58 <Rubidium> or are you using OGFX? In that case their sprites are probably bigger 15:36:24 <StarLionIsaac> well, I was planning on starting a little project, using OGFX as a base, to make some diagonal tiles 15:36:35 <Rubidium> and OpenTTD scales to the sprites instead of forcing the sprites to be a specific size 15:36:52 <StarLionIsaac> until there's support for usable diagonal stations, they might as well be non-track 15:37:41 <StarLionIsaac> I guess if it's unlikely there'll be support for it, then non-track is all they'll be 15:37:54 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/spaces_in_toolbar.png <- the spaces are still there 15:40:09 <StarLionIsaac> in which revision? I'm using a modified r17986, and they're not there - none of the patches affect the toolbar though 15:40:18 <StarLionIsaac> a few grfs do, but I didn't think that would affect it 15:40:27 <Rubidium> HEAD 15:40:49 * StarLionIsaac needs to update his openttd game again 15:40:51 <Rubidium> StarLionIsaac: but are you using OGFX? 15:40:55 <StarLionIsaac> yes, I am 15:41:19 <Rubidium> that doesn't have the spacing because their toolbar buttons are bigger and the nested widgets scale to those larger buttons 15:41:33 <Rubidium> so for OGFX the fix is getting smaller button images 15:41:43 <StarLionIsaac> well, that explains it... 15:46:32 <petern> ah, i am using ogfx, so... 15:46:38 <petern> ogfx is buggy? shock! 15:46:59 <Belugas> ho... *****only***** 64 industry type... fuckhead 15:47:03 <Belugas> underdevelopped.... 15:47:08 <Belugas> hasshole 15:47:32 <petern> Rubidium, hmm, the buttons are still too large even with the originals 15:48:13 <petern> sometimes it's not about consistency, it's what looks right ;) 15:48:33 *** fonsinchen [~alve@V9454.v.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:08 <Rubidium> you mean that adding the fast forward and making the space smaller made it look better but making it slightly smaller again makes it look worse? 15:50:58 <Rubidium> it looks different from what it looked, but does that make it look worse? 15:51:18 <Rubidium> looks like you didn't even notice that you were using ogfx at first 15:51:36 <Rubidium> which is according to lots of people "worse" 15:51:51 <StarLionIsaac> bleh, I use it that much I can't stand the old base graphics anymore myself... but I would prefer the spaces back on the toolbar again 15:51:55 <Rubidium> it's just that you need to get accustomed with the fact that it doesn't look like it did look 15:52:22 <Rubidium> StarLionIsaac: file a bug report at OGFX that their sprites are too big 15:52:26 <petern> pfft, game options still looks wrong with the stickie outie drop downs :p 15:57:35 <StarLionIsaac> I'm beginning to hate the auto-image preview in nautilus 15:57:48 <StarLionIsaac> it locks up the entire computer to preview the OGFX pcx files 16:01:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C4A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:05:35 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18030 /trunk/src/ (smallmap_gui.cpp video/win32_v.cpp window.cpp): -Fix: screen jumped a bit for at least SDL and Allegro when right-click-dragging 16:06:10 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd5ab.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:07:15 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18031 /trunk/src/video/ (allegro_v.cpp sdl_v.cpp win32_v.cpp): -Codechange: since basically r7157 adding up 'all' mouse movement isn't needed anymore because after each even that movement is handled and the counter is reset. As such simply assigning instead of adding works. 16:12:43 <petern> :D 16:16:10 <petern> i assume my change in 18001 could apply to other video drivers as well, but i don't have any ability to test them 16:16:22 <Ammler> [16:40] <Rubidium> so for OGFX the fix is getting smaller button images <-- isn't there just no spacer image? 16:16:38 <petern> Ammler, the spacer is there, it's not an image 16:16:46 <petern> the ogfx button sprites are just too large 16:16:55 <Ammler> hmm 16:17:03 <petern> (you'd assume they'd use images the same size...) 16:18:53 <Rubidium> well, it proves that their "chinese wall" for seperating specification and actual implementation failed *and* that they didn't copy the original sprites 16:19:33 <Rubidium> Ammler: http://rbijker.net/openttd/spaces_in_toolbar.png <- proves there is a spacer widget 16:20:06 <Rubidium> Ammler: and you'll see the spacers in the sceneditor 16:21:21 <Ammler> if I compere the toolsets, the icons have smae size, just ogfx has no spacer 16:21:26 <Ammler> compare* 16:22:10 <Rubidium> one of the sprites has to be slightly bigger 16:23:37 <Ammler> http://imagebin.ca/view/HCCdYPK.html 16:25:15 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:27:17 <Ammler> indeed, the bigger icons are there 16:27:20 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:28:46 <Ammler> so you removed the support for individual sprite size? 16:28:51 <welshdragon> bah 16:29:03 <welshdragon> damn 9 ca trains using a 4 tile platform :( 16:30:23 <Ammler> 0.7.3 has spaces 16:30:29 <Ammler> (in ogfx) 16:31:13 <petern> Ammler, it's nestedwidgetorized 16:31:22 <petern> therefore the button size comes from the image 16:31:37 <Ammler> so ogfx needs this spacer image? 16:31:41 <petern> /// 16:31:42 <petern> ... 16:31:43 <petern> no 16:32:48 <Ammler> well, how to fix it? 16:33:33 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:04 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: smatz * r18032 /trunk/src/fileio.cpp: -Codechange: add one const 16:35:01 <frosch123> static const int ONE = 1; 16:35:36 <SmatZ> hehe 16:36:18 <Eddi|zuHause> but the SIX*NINE thing doesn't work properly that way... 16:42:14 <petern> Rubidium, the ogfx sprites are 20x20 afaics 16:52:44 *** Luchs [~Lukas@p54A643C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:16 *** DOTAAngel [~DOTAAngel@cm37.sigma79.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 17:00:27 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.170.187] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:01:34 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:03:13 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.209.96] has joined #openttd 17:11:56 <Rubidium> hmm... why does IMGBTN_2 have more spacing? 17:14:01 <Rubidium> guess that's because the primary users of IMGBTN_2 were using such odd spacing or so 17:21:11 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18033 /trunk/src/ (toolbar_gui.cpp widget.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: make the padding for IMGBTN_2 the same as for IMGBTN; the image doesn't move, so the extra space at the right and bottom aren't needed 17:23:07 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@190.50.23.201] has joined #openttd 17:23:10 *** nicfer2 [~Usuario@190.50.57.44] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:33 *** Goulp [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has left #openttd [PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 17:33:03 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@164.82.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 17:46:19 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:47:34 <Belugas> installing .net 3.5 ... ouch 17:48:10 <Sacro> sp1 is out for that 17:48:42 <Belugas> only installed 1.1 17:48:56 <Belugas> or was not installed... 17:49:07 <Belugas> 236 meg of stuuf to work on 17:49:34 <Belugas> meanwhile... NEON NIGHTS! 17:49:45 <Belugas> Black Sabbath, of course :) 17:51:04 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@190.50.23.201] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:58 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:385e:9c03:1188:3fa8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:30 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc150-31.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 18:00:33 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:385e:9c03:1188:3fa8] has joined #openttd 18:00:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:02:43 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:385e:9c03:1188:3fa8] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:06 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.118.142] has joined #openttd 18:11:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.181.96] has joined #openttd 18:12:28 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:28 *** bb10 [~nnscript@188.89.96.26] has joined #openttd 18:12:39 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 18:13:12 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:14:11 *** bb10_ [~nnscript@d52172.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:14:24 *** bb10_ [~nnscript@d52172.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16:56 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc150-31.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke_] 18:21:53 *** bb10 [~nnscript@188.89.96.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:14 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:46 *** Redrocco [~me@97.89.174.57] has joined #openttd 18:34:00 *** bb10 [~nnscript@d52172.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:35:25 *** bb10 [~nnscript@d52172.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:35:41 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:385e:9c03:1188:3fa8] has joined #openttd 18:35:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:37:43 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 18:38:53 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.118.142] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:41:01 <ptr_> so, uhm 18:41:18 <ptr_> what's the status of AI during multiplay? 18:41:31 <frosch123> done 18:41:52 <frosch123> since 0.7 18:41:55 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:42:18 <ptr_> oh 18:42:37 <ptr_> I downloadad AdmiralAI, but they're not doing anything :/ 18:43:01 <StarLionIsaac> check the AI debug and find out what it's up to 18:43:18 <ptr_> Hm. 18:44:06 <glx> only server can run AI 18:44:39 <ptr_> I'm running it on my dedicated server 18:45:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18034 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files): (log message trimmed) 18:45:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: catalan - 1 changes by arnau 18:45:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 changes by habell 18:45:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_ 18:45:48 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: french - 1 changes by glx 18:45:48 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: greek - 4 changes by fumantsu 18:47:41 <planetmaker> ptr_, downloading an AI is not sufficient in order to activate it. 18:48:27 <ptr_> it shows up as a company 18:48:50 <ptr_> but it seems pretty passive 18:48:50 <planetmaker> well. Is it admiralAI or the dummy AI? 18:48:58 <ptr_> it's admiral ai 18:52:17 *** Spoons is now known as FauxFaux 18:52:43 <ptr_> oh, it's built a train station 18:52:50 <ptr_> but... nothing more, heh 18:53:11 <planetmaker> you ptr_ , patience you must learn. 18:53:40 <ptr_> a lot of stations actually 18:53:43 <ptr_> haha. I see 18:54:33 *** bb10 [~nnscript@d52172.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:07:27 <ptr_> the AI is really slow. 19:08:07 <StarLionIsaac> that reminds me. Does the AI build speed setting chosen in Difficulty Settings affect NoAI's? It never seems to 19:08:19 <Rubidium> yes it does 19:08:59 <Rubidium> unless AIs choose to sleep a month between 'commands' 19:09:02 <ptr_> hm 19:10:22 <ptr_> which setting is that? 19:10:47 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.118.142] has joined #openttd 19:13:21 <ptr_> difficulty.competitor_speed I guess? 19:14:28 <Rubidium> you could increase the number of ops for AIs; mean that it's pathfinding goes a bit faster, but it won't actually build it faster (once it starts building ofcourse) 19:15:31 <ptr_> they are going bankrupt 19:15:31 <ptr_> :) 19:15:39 *** Fugas [~Fugas@isbprachen.clnet.cz] has joined #openttd 19:16:13 <Rubidium> let me guess, few towns, few industries, mountainous, high building costs or so? 19:17:50 <ptr_> many towns and industries actually, but they insist on spamming the map with train stations 19:17:53 <ptr_> and it's a pretty big map 19:18:35 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.118.142] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:20:11 *** Luukland [~luukland@212.116.219.201] has joined #openttd 19:20:20 <Luukland> Good evening, I have small question :) 19:20:34 <Luukland> could it be possible to store client ip in an usigned integer ? 19:21:11 <Xaroth> depends, ipv6 is just 4 bytes, ipv6 is somewhat bigger.. 19:21:20 <Xaroth> er, first ipv6 = ipv4 19:21:34 <Rubidium> yeah, it would fit in a uint128 19:25:04 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 19:25:35 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> graviton.oftc.net quits: De_Ghosty, Redrocco, @Belugas, N35 19:25:36 *** N35_ [~user@0x55535623.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 19:27:59 *** Netsplit over, joins: Redrocco 19:28:24 *** Netsplit over, joins: Belugas 19:28:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 19:29:28 <ptr_> you start an ai-script by using "start_ai 'ai script name'" right? 19:34:00 <_ln> english only: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?Police_banned_from_saying_evening&in_article_id=757365&in_page_id=34 19:34:34 <Paul2> stupid huh? 19:34:41 <Paul2> only in overly PC britain 19:35:33 <Prof_Frink> PC PCs. 19:36:05 <Sacro> love the metro 19:36:05 <Noldo> _ln: my wife and I don't agree on the meaning of 'iltapäivä' 19:51:57 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B1DD4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:54:12 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B011E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:54:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:02:08 *** Ruudjah [rtimon@073.122.092.145.hva.nl] has joined #openttd 20:02:25 <Ruudjah> @seen Luukland 20:02:25 <DorpsGek> Ruudjah: Luukland was last seen in #openttd 41 minutes and 51 seconds ago: <Luukland> could it be possible to store client ip in an usigned integer ? 20:06:17 *** Luukland2 [~luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 20:10:44 *** Luukland3 [~luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 20:11:21 *** Luukland [~luukland@212.116.219.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:11:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@88.130.175.182] has joined #openttd 20:11:54 *** Luukland3 [~luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:12:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@88.130.175.182] has quit [] 20:12:21 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008103100]] 20:15:33 *** Luukland2 [~luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.181.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:24:26 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:22 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:34:12 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:08 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.118.142] has joined #openttd 20:42:00 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.118.142] has quit [] 20:47:41 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-137-154.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:48:02 *** Ruudjah [rtimon@073.122.092.145.hva.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:51:22 *** Fugas [~Fugas@isbprachen.clnet.cz] has left #openttd [] 20:56:43 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@87.115.36.134.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: And now for something completely different] 20:57:05 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:58:45 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485DAA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:58:46 <petern> errrrkay 20:58:48 <petern> http://paste.openttd.org/218004 20:59:05 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 20:59:09 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has left #openttd [] 20:59:25 <TrueBrain> reminder to self: do not use C# 21:01:45 <Rubidium> looks like bad luck (1 in (2**32)**24?) or very bad entropy 21:01:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C4A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:23 <Belugas> TrueBrain : use a Cm7, it sounds way better! 21:04:52 <petern> it works fine on another machine 21:04:55 <petern> same OS 21:05:04 <petern> (debian lenny) 21:05:36 <Belugas> watzdat? 21:05:47 <TrueBrain> Belugas: ghehe :) Yeah, Cm7 sounds better, you are right :) 21:06:10 <TrueBrain> C# and Linux .. now I am confused 21:06:13 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DC45.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:09 * Rubidium wonders whether C# is actually allowed on planes 21:07:23 <guru3_> OK... is there a particular reason why when I launch OpenTTD the colors are all messed up and there are random sqares of graphics shifting all over the place? 21:07:27 *** guru3_ is now known as guru3 21:07:40 <TrueBrain> try not using the debug blitter :) 21:07:52 <guru3> All I did was emerge it... 21:09:26 <Rubidium> what version did it emerge? 0.6.3? 21:09:50 <guru3> 0.7.3 21:09:54 <guru3> i think 21:10:03 <guru3> Running emerge -av openttd to find out what flags it used... 21:10:10 <guru3> (Which will take a bit of time, this is a P1...) 21:10:31 <Rubidium> hmm, so no PPC, so 0.7.3 is a bit more plausible 21:11:33 *** bb10 [~nnscript@d52172.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:38 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 21:11:40 <Rubidium> oh, they just marked it 'stable' on x86 21:11:43 <TrueBrain> why use Gentoo on a P1? :s 21:11:51 <guru3> because i want the configurability 21:11:56 <guru3> once it's setup i dont have to change anything 21:12:01 <TrueBrain> get some host to do the compiling for you :) 21:12:08 <guru3> ive got that setup 21:12:20 <petern> TrueBrain, well, i get a single exe that's cross platform ;) 21:12:33 <petern> so quick, let's port openttd to c#! 21:12:36 <DOTAAngel> hi guys...any recommendation on the IDE for Squirrel programming? Eclipse or NetBeans? 21:12:54 <ptr_> TextMate 21:12:57 <TrueBrain> 'cross' platform, it only fails for certain systems :p 21:12:57 <guru3> would I maybe have more luck starting with -b 8bb-simple ? 21:13:10 <TrueBrain> guru3: -b 8bpp-optimized, I would suggest 21:13:16 <TrueBrain> but 8bpp-debug is silly, yes 21:13:24 <guru3> well i dont know what it's trying to use by default 21:13:25 <petern> s/silly/fun/ 21:14:04 <guru3> is it something that can be set in the .cfg file? 21:14:05 <petern> hmm 21:14:14 <petern> actually 8bpp-debug doesn't have random squares of grpahics 21:14:17 <petern> so it's something else 21:14:22 <TrueBrain> try under 'blitter' ;) 21:14:31 <TrueBrain> petern: depends on your definition of 'random' I guess :) 21:14:36 <petern> and 'square' 21:14:56 <guru3> well when something is moving 21:14:56 <TrueBrain> if the square is a rectangle and the randomness is very predictable, it is about right :) 21:15:00 <guru3> more than one moves and it's distorted 21:15:04 <guru3> things get half over layed 21:15:27 <guru3> what blitter does it try to use by default? 21:15:37 <petern> 8bpp-optimised 21:15:42 <TrueBrain> depends on your OS ;) But 8bpp-optimized should be fine ;) 21:15:49 <TrueBrain> optmized .. optimised .. tomato tomato 21:15:55 <guru3> starting with -b 8bb-optimized 21:16:10 <guru3> 32mb of ram is so not enough -_- 21:17:11 <TrueBrain> oeh, petern spelled it wrong! That is a first time :s Are you sure you are petern? Can we please verify this? /me hugs petern :) 21:17:37 <TrueBrain> good night all 21:17:41 <guru3> good night 21:18:06 *** fonsinchen [~alve@V9454.v.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 21:18:27 <guru3> will it work... 21:18:29 <guru3> suspense is killing me 21:19:11 <guru3> the midi has started... (cool that works) 21:19:38 <guru3> and nope it's still all messed up 21:19:49 <guru3> there are two of the same thing side by side at the start 21:19:53 <guru3> then it all starts to move around 21:20:42 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:51 <petern> how about a screenshot? heh 21:21:04 <guru3> i don't have a screenshot thing setup 21:21:05 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 21:21:08 <guru3> i will take a photo next time though 21:21:32 <guru3> trying with the simple blitter 21:24:01 <guru3> got the photo 21:24:13 <guru3> (incidentally, 8bpp-simple is also messed up) 21:24:37 <petern> although... why bother using such an ancient machine :s 21:24:46 <guru3> because it's transportable 21:24:50 <guru3> weights < 1kg 21:24:54 <guru3> toshiba libretto 21:25:16 <Rubidium> a mobile home is transportable too, I wouldn't want to live in one though 21:26:29 <guru3> popping in memory card 21:27:23 <guru3> uploading... 21:27:49 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd5ab.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:13 <guru3> http://guru3.net/temp/091120091066.jpg is how it starts and then it heads down towards http://guru3.net/temp/091120091067.jpg 21:29:29 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: I'm off] 21:29:56 <Rubidium> does -b 32bpp-simple help? 21:30:25 <guru3> haven't tried that one yet 21:30:47 <guru3> and just found out it's not 0.7.3 it's 0.7.2 21:32:42 <guru3> oh my X seems to have crashed 21:32:46 <guru3> (not openttd related) 21:34:06 <guru3> or maybe not 21:34:14 <guru3> i switched vts -_- 21:36:14 <Rubidium> maybe it has something to do with the colour depth 21:36:19 <guru3> 16 bit 21:37:01 <guru3> neomagic and the kdrive useflag for xorg-server 21:37:15 <Rubidium> does it happen when you run it windowed? 21:37:19 <guru3> yes 21:37:24 <guru3> it messes up the entire screen then 21:37:28 <guru3> or flips the colors of everything 21:37:33 <guru3> but only the window ends up drawn wrong 21:37:43 *** Luchs [~Lukas@p54A643C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:38:24 <Rubidium> http://lists.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl-libsdl.org/2008-December/067667.html <- might be related 21:38:58 <guru3> 32bppp works! 21:39:10 <guru3> although it's currently going in slow motion 21:39:14 <guru3> so nothing's moved yet... 21:40:30 * Rubidium blames SDL 21:40:42 <guru3> nothing's moving yet... lots of swapping going on 21:40:49 <guru3> openttd is using 25% of memory 21:41:04 <guru3> 8 mb :< 21:41:45 <Lakie> 8MiB? 21:41:48 <Lakie> That all? 21:41:57 <guru3> no 32mb on the system 21:42:02 <guru3> 8mb is what openttd is using 21:42:14 <guru3> but a train moved while i wasn't looking! 21:42:20 <Xaroth> O_O 21:42:24 <Xaroth> 32mb ram!?!? 21:42:30 <guru3> ooo i saw something move that time! 21:42:32 <guru3> yes, 32mb ram 21:42:32 <Xaroth> what kind of os are you running, windows 3.11? 21:42:37 <guru3> gentoo 10.0 21:42:39 <guru3> :D 21:42:53 <glx> Xaroth: win95 runs on 8MB ;) 21:42:53 <Rubidium> you might want to recompile with -Os and reduce the sprite cache a bit 21:43:06 <guru3> make.conf specifies -Os 21:43:25 <guru3> CFLAGS="-Os -march=i586 -mmmx -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe" 21:43:41 <guru3> would using 32bpp-optimized be better or worse? 21:43:57 <glx> will require 4 times more memory 21:44:04 <guru3> Ok, 32bpp simple it is 21:44:11 <glx> still :) 21:44:16 <guru3> well 8bpp doesn't work 21:44:17 <glx> 8bpp vs 32bpp 21:44:23 <guru3> causes a screwed up screen 21:44:26 <guru3> (see earlier links) 21:44:39 <glx> then try 32bpp-optimized 21:45:08 <Rubidium> file a sdl bug :) 21:45:37 <guru3> what's a good cache size for the sprites? that 4 in mb? 21:46:09 <Rubidium> the more the better, but try 1 or 2 21:46:11 <SmatZ> the more the better 21:46:16 <Rubidium> it's in MiBs 21:46:42 <guru3> i've put it to 2, now to killall openttd, wait for other processes to clear up so it stops swapping and then try again 21:49:05 <guru3> right, here we go... 21:49:50 <guru3> there goes the midi 21:50:55 <guru3> and oops it overwote my .cfg changes, take 2... 21:52:15 <SmatZ> actually 21:52:22 <SmatZ> nah, nothing :) 21:52:27 <SmatZ> I thought 4 is minimum 21:52:31 <SmatZ> but minimum is 1 21:52:34 <guru3> it's going a bit faster... but not quite full speed 21:52:45 <guru3> 34% memory usage still 21:53:19 <SmatZ> not bad 21:53:30 <SmatZ> try switching to OPF pathfinders 21:53:35 <guru3> it's just the menu -_- 21:53:36 <SmatZ> NTP for trains, OPF for other 21:53:38 <SmatZ> s 21:53:51 <guru3> i can't move the mouse smoothely 21:53:53 <SmatZ> maybe you will need to exit the game 21:53:54 <SmatZ> :-x 21:54:04 <guru3> which is funny cause with the 8bpp i could 21:54:38 <SmatZ> small spritecache is killer for 32bpp blitter 21:54:56 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:55:01 <guru3> that maglev just went close to full speed! 21:55:14 <guru3> oo damn for a minute the mouse moved 21:56:49 <guru3> time to try quitting some stuff and see if it gets better 21:59:36 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db00ff0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 22:00:24 <guru3> it's sort of smoothe! 22:00:30 <guru3> i could at least change the pathfinder settings 22:01:30 <Paul2> I'm generating new maps. It's only generating factories and tourist centres :S 22:01:36 <Paul2> this is the second one I've done 22:01:41 <guru3> 64 x 64 map and i get one island with one town 22:02:04 <guru3> but it is perfectly smoothe 22:02:22 <guru3> except for scrolling 22:02:24 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:02:59 <guru3> i do have a coal mine and power station though 22:03:22 <Eddi|zuHause> try all ECS vectors on a small map :p 22:05:17 <guru3> Citizens celebrate... Road Vehicule 1 arrives at Dretston Mines!" 22:05:44 <guru3> Citizens celebrate... arrival at Dretston Woods! 22:05:50 <guru3> hurrah 200 pounds! 22:05:56 <Belugas> blaaaa 22:05:58 <Belugas> HOME! 22:06:09 <Eddi|zuHause> you sound like you never played this game, guru3 ;) 22:06:25 <guru3> i've never played openttd on a system with 32mb of ram before 22:06:48 <Eddi|zuHause> TTO ran on 4MB 22:07:01 <guru3> well ive played it on a system with 8 22:07:02 <Paul2> this is wierd. Literally only factories. Which setting in new game controls the inustries? 22:07:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Paul2: which industry sets do you have? 22:08:00 <Paul2> 'industry sets' ? 22:08:10 <guru3> would running x in 8 bit color depth help at all? 22:12:31 <guru3> well i'll be damned, it does 22:17:24 <guru3> http://lists.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl-libsdl.org/2008-December/067591.html i think that's relavent 22:19:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Paul2: when you say "tourist center", you have some industry sets active in newgrf settings 22:20:37 <Paul2> I think so, I'm just learning about ECS stuff...didn't realise there was all this new stuff! 22:21:03 <Paul2> I nomrally just play the standard stuff...I dont know what I have done to reset it all 22:22:31 <Paul2> if I just remove all the newgrf stuff will I just play the original game? 22:22:50 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, mostly 22:25:10 <Paul2> ok cool 22:32:58 *** FooBar [~FooBar@openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: make clean && exit - http.//dev.openttdcoop.org] 22:32:58 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Bye - http.//dev.openttdcoop.org] 22:32:58 *** Ammler [~ammler@openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: gone...] 22:35:23 *** FooBar [~FooBar@openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:35:45 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:36:23 *** Ammler [~ammler@openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:39:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C4A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:52:01 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9F28.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:00:51 *** john [~john@CPE-121-210-80-70.slzx1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:03:23 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 23:05:22 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226147188.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:06:42 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [] 23:14:02 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 23:15:05 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:03 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 23:18:34 *** PhoenixII [ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 23:19:05 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:05 *** fonsinchen [~alve@V9454.v.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21:40 *** Mario1 [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 23:21:43 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:25:08 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:25:25 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 23:35:47 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 23:36:27 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DED55.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: May the schwartz be with you! 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