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00:02:37 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-47-249.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:44 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@188.72.255.192] has quit [Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))] 00:06:59 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@188.72.255.192] has joined #openttd 00:17:07 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.11.24] has quit [Quit: ãå¿ããããã§ãã å¿ããªãã ãããªæ³ãã ãªããšåŒã¶ã®ããã] 00:17:15 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 00:17:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:18:21 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8847.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: <Nachricht>] 00:19:37 *** NoobCp [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:26:04 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177237015.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:30:09 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:33:32 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177226029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:35:00 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe9ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:41 <bryjen> Mmmm, breakfast 00:38:03 <Eddi|zuHause> at 2:30? :p 00:38:18 * bryjen points at the topic 00:39:35 <Pulec> i would like to have lunch now 00:39:52 <Pulec> some of us live during the night 00:46:14 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:55:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BDBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:28 <Cadde> I pwn during the night ;) 01:06:39 <Cadde> Sorry for this stupid question, but what (apart from writing it to the savegame) effects does changing the savegame verion from say 400 to 401 have. Or in the case of the "More heightlevels patch", set it to "MORE_HEIGHTLEVEL_SAVEGAME_VERSION" (which is 201). 01:07:59 <glx> different version means different data locations 01:08:55 <glx> due to more data or less data stored in the savegame 01:09:22 <Cadde> hmm 01:10:39 <Cadde> When i want to combine many patches into one patch these change the number from 400 to 401 and heightlevels changes it to be 201, would that break something for the other patches. 01:10:55 <glx> yes 01:11:08 <glx> you need to be careful to merge all changes 01:12:04 <Cadde> So which one should i be using? To me, heightlevels seems to be the one that would make the biggest change in savegames. 01:12:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Cadde: savegame version is particularly relevant for loading older savegames 01:12:54 <Eddi|zuHause> typically you want savegame version to be trink version +1, in case you want to keep older patched savegames, trunk version +2 01:12:57 <Cadde> Eddi|zuHause: Yeah, that i can understand. I don't care much for loading older savegames right now. All i want is to make sure i don't break other patches. 01:14:01 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ABCA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:15:21 <Eddi|zuHause> you need to update all patches to use the same savegame version 01:15:58 <Cadde> Ah i see, so they should really be using 401 instead of 201 01:16:13 <Cadde> because 401 would be trunk + the extra bits 01:16:14 <Eddi|zuHause> if you use trunk version +1, you make sure you can load all "unmodified" savegames 01:17:14 <Cadde> Yepp ok. Thanks 01:17:58 <Cadde> I still don't get the internal functionality of the version but i shall start using trunk + 1 instead of the heightlevels version i used lately. 01:20:08 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485E34E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:24:48 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:24:52 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 01:25:50 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485E34E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:40:52 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest343 01:40:55 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-105-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:44:21 *** Guest343 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:45:45 <Eddi|zuHause> it's actually really easy: each setting has a range "from ... to" where it is valid. 01:46:18 <Eddi|zuHause> "from" is usually "version at which this setting is introduced" and "to" is "max version" 02:10:09 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485E34E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:12:53 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:15:09 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cb6a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:20:21 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 02:20:49 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-105-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:20:49 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest345 02:20:49 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 02:23:51 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest347 02:23:53 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-105-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:25:24 *** Felicitus [~Felicitus@idefix.timohummel.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:27:23 *** Guest345 [~Dale@c-98-223-105-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:29:43 *** Guest347 [~Dale@c-98-223-105-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:35:20 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-105-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:35:20 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest348 02:35:20 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 02:38:59 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:41:02 *** Guest348 [~Dale@c-98-223-105-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 02:41:42 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4ce2:5552:4b26:7012] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:56:58 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-105-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:29 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:16:46 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:32:54 *** Elmzran [~Elmzran@pool-173-74-7-96.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 03:33:11 *** Elmzran [~Elmzran@pool-173-74-7-96.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 03:40:02 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:41:16 *** orudge` [~orudge@c-75-73-67-58.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 03:44:33 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-101-146.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:47:38 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-192-35.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 03:47:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 04:16:51 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:18:06 <Mazur> Ok, set up a testing ground for myself, three coal mines making me a million and a half each year. 04:19:12 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:27:38 <ccfreak2k> Testing station throughput? 04:56:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75E8E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:57:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76937.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:10:43 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 05:19:26 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:58:58 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 05:59:50 *** shmore [~shmore@dhcp-0-12-17-51-3b-2d.cpe.mountaincable.net] has joined #openttd 06:11:41 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 06:11:56 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:12:21 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest364 06:12:22 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 06:19:43 *** Guest364 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:43:23 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 06:49:09 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 06:52:27 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:09:28 <Terkhen> good morning 07:14:43 <andythenorth> mornign 07:26:22 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:27:20 <planetmaker> moin 07:28:19 <peter1138> hello 07:28:26 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:29:22 <peter1138> 08:29 Irssi uptime: 229d 11h 59m 31s 07:29:24 <peter1138> hurr 07:30:10 * andythenorth wishes Bananas had a 'what changed?' text field 07:30:20 <andythenorth> when adding a new version 07:30:34 <planetmaker> :-) 07:30:44 <planetmaker> you changed it once, you change it now ;-) 07:31:08 <planetmaker> and woosh you go and implement bananas 1.5 07:32:30 <andythenorth> FISH FISH FISH FISH FISH 07:32:34 <andythenorth> And they ate lots of FISH 07:32:36 * peter1138 wonders what to do with a DV cam 07:32:43 <ccfreak2k> andythenorth, if only there was a log of such changes. 07:32:47 <ccfreak2k> I would call it...a changelog. 07:33:05 *** NoobCp [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 07:33:10 <andythenorth> funny 07:33:11 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/fish/repository/entry/docs/changelog.txt 07:33:29 <andythenorth> meanwhile, FISH 0.4 now on bananas 07:33:45 <andythenorth> I tested it not at all extensively so I may have broke it 07:35:54 <planetmaker> o/ 07:38:06 <andythenorth> ha ha, lead@inbox has just sent me the render for a fricking enormous passenger hovercraft :D 07:38:17 <planetmaker> :-) 07:38:20 <andythenorth> it *may* overlap the depot, but we'll take that chance 07:40:42 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:41:02 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.14.194] has joined #openttd 07:41:40 <andythenorth> http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&t=k&ll=50.8079483664028,-1.2096360325813293&z=19 07:46:57 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-213-160.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:48:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D474.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:51:58 *** Cadde [~cadde@c83-249-114-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:52:15 <andythenorth> how much does a passenger weigh in openttd? 07:52:24 *** Cadde [Cadde@c83-249-114-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 07:52:30 *** lolman is now known as Guest369 07:55:51 <peter1138> 62.6 kg 07:56:19 <peter1138> as do bubbles 07:57:42 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 07:59:13 <andythenorth> @calc 410*.0626 07:59:13 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 25.666 07:59:48 * andythenorth has a set balancing problem 08:00:11 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:23 * andythenorth wonders if 'screw it' will solve the problem 08:02:31 <planetmaker> hm, how did I enable the newgrf debug mode? 08:12:53 <planetmaker> andythenorth: you know that^ :-) 08:16:19 <planetmaker> nvm :-) 08:43:09 *** NoobCp [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:52:42 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:57:29 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:02:52 *** Guest369 is now known as lolman 09:05:58 *** Uresu [~Wes@81.171.145.94] has joined #openttd 09:07:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.162.124] has joined #openttd 09:12:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@88.130.163.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:17:01 *** Uresu [~Wes@81.171.145.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:25:52 *** aber [~Adium@p5B327394.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:28:19 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c7d2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:39:27 *** kyo313 [~kyo@92.17.233.101] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:41:42 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:42:06 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has joined #openttd 09:42:08 <TrueBrain> everytime I have the idea the amount of downloads go down, there comes anohter wave of downloads ... 09:42:48 <Alberth> perhaps we should stop making new releases... 09:43:21 <TrueBrain> http://www.baixaki.com.br/download/openttd.htm and http://www.gsbrazil.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=1621 were to blame yesterday 09:46:53 <TrueBrain> passed the 100,000 downloads for 1.0.0 .. how nice :) 09:47:02 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:47:04 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B478D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:47:20 <Alberth> the game basically sells itself, it was and still is, an addictive game 09:47:34 <TrueBrain> very very true 09:47:45 <TrueBrain> and our webservices are more or less stable :) Also very nice :) 09:47:51 <Rubidium> 115k bananas downloads yesterday (55 GiB) 09:48:26 <Rubidium> quite a jump from 87k bananas downloads which was the previous 'record' 09:48:53 <TrueBrain> and almost no complains about the http implementation :) 09:48:57 <Rubidium> oh, it was only 49 GiB, not 55 09:49:11 <Alberth> such numbers are really too big to imagine what is happening at the servers. 09:49:13 <TrueBrain> I still remember someone saying it wouldn't be simple to make a http component ;) 09:49:48 <Rubidium> "only" 80-85% goes over the http 09:49:59 <TrueBrain> what was that value in december? 09:50:01 <TrueBrain> I believe 55%? 09:50:22 <TrueBrain> @calc 1018379 / 3600 / 24 09:50:22 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 11.7867939815 09:50:31 * Alberth gives TB a big hug for making such a nice server system 09:50:32 <TrueBrain> 11 hits per second on the httpd .. that did decrease after the slashdot :p 09:50:40 <TrueBrain> Alberth: Rubidium helped too 09:51:00 * Alberth gives RB also a big, well-deserved hug 09:51:30 <TrueBrain> 1M hits per day 09:52:09 <Alberth> not bad for a bunch of volunteers :p 09:52:15 <DanMacK> Refresh my memory, it's been awhile - How do I chat in MP again? 09:52:23 <Rubidium> <enter> 09:52:28 <DanMacK> thanks :D 09:52:35 <TrueBrain> 0.35M hits per day go to the django instance .. impressive performance .. 09:53:19 <TrueBrain> owh, that number is wrong .. just 0.06M goes to django 09:53:22 <TrueBrain> that is more what I would expect :p 09:53:39 <TrueBrain> 0.45M goes to media.openttd.org :) 09:53:41 <Alberth> @calc 0.06*1000*1000 / (24 * 60 * 60) 09:53:41 <DorpsGek> Alberth: 0.694444444444 09:53:41 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@c122-108-245-233.kelvn3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:53:49 <Rubidium> 70% of "OpenTTD" bandwidth is taken over by the mirrors, so 30% for our main server (which now uses about 60% of its bandwidth for HTTP over 70% on April 1st); 130 GiB of traffic a day 09:54:45 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8ce1f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:55:58 <TrueBrain> I am very happy we moved media. away from the django instance .. it would not have survived, if I have to guess :p 09:56:19 <TrueBrain> wiki: 397k, bug: 19k 09:57:15 <Rubidium> one or two days of this traffic and the 30 day average of bananas downloads exceeds the 1.0.0-beta1 peak :) 09:58:08 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:02:01 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c7d2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:02:52 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B478D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:02:55 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/stats.pdf <- nice graphs (without legenda) 10:08:48 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8de47.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:11:31 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 10:16:06 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8ce1f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:22:31 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cc92.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:23:34 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B478D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:24:28 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:26:07 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.11.24] has joined #openttd 10:28:01 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:28:09 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has quit [] 10:28:57 *** aber [~Adium@p5B327394.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:29:41 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8de47.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:31:33 *** aber [~Adium@p5B327394.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:31:46 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.2.72] has joined #openttd 10:37:37 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 10:39:31 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBB55.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:46:34 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B478D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 10:47:33 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:48:26 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@f234099.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:53:56 *** woldemar [~woldemar@213.178.34.57] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:58:15 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 11:01:43 * DanMacK would much rather be playing TTD 11:02:36 <Rubidium> then do so! 11:02:49 * DanMacK is at work... No TTD here... :( 11:03:05 <Rubidium> so, take your TTD CD to work 11:03:13 <DanMacK> I wish 11:03:15 * andythenorth is fitting lights to this http://www.peeron.com/inv/sets/8275-1 11:03:26 <Ammler> install it (no admin required) ;- 11:03:29 * DanMacK can't play, so he will sprite 11:04:59 <DanMacK> Andy, That looks cool! 11:05:50 <Chris_Booth> DanMacK: you put it on a flash drive 11:06:16 <Chris_Booth> then make sure you remember ATL + F4 to close it fast if someone sees you playing 11:07:16 <DanMacK> We have terminals, no actual tower :P 11:08:12 <Chris_Booth> DanMacK: now be resourceful, you must have some cars near by 11:08:32 <Chris_Booth> steel a car battery and a transformer to 240v or 120v 11:08:39 <Chris_Booth> and connect it to you PC lol 11:08:47 <DanMacK> there we go :P 11:08:57 <Chris_Booth> i am not condoning theft 11:09:00 <Mazur> OIr use a laptop as a terminal. 11:09:12 <Chris_Booth> maz my way is more fun 11:09:45 <Mazur> May way is easier, and as I'm inherently lazy... 11:09:48 <elmz_> hm, the new loading algorithm for loading trains is a bit flawed...it lowers your cargo rating a bit :/ 11:11:37 <elmz_> on one station I hade 100%/100% with old algorithm, then it was lowered to 89%94% with the new algorithm... 11:13:16 <Chris_Booth> elmz_: but it does give better nework balance 11:13:28 <elmz_> true 11:14:25 <Rubidium> elmz_: the old algorithm is flawed too 11:14:40 <elmz_> haha, true that ^^ even more so ^^ 11:14:48 <Rubidium> and one can consider the old algorithm even more flawed 11:15:20 <Rubidium> because it could lower your rating even more by having all trans wanting to depart at the same time causing even more cargo to get stockpiled 11:16:05 <elmz_> wow, this really makes me want to try to improve the algorithm ^^ 11:16:11 <Chris_Booth> old loading would be rubish on huge stations that trains needed to full load at 11:16:43 <Chris_Booth> i never used to use more than 2 platforms with ques to stop rating droping 11:16:49 <Rubidium> elmz_: good luck with that 11:17:21 <elmz_> I don't have the tools or skills, sadly ;/ 11:17:23 <Rubidium> remember: you only know about the cargo already at the station, so you have to spread that over trains so they get loaded in FIFO order 11:17:24 <Chris_Booth> elmz_: you wouldnt want a perfect algorithm anyway 11:17:40 <elmz_> no, all algorithms would have drawbacks 11:18:18 <Rubidium> what probably could help is disabling gradual loading 11:18:30 <Rubidium> or enable it, but make the vehicles take as much cargo as possible 11:18:41 <Rubidium> instead of only 5 or so per cycle 11:19:45 <elmz_> it should be possible to select separate loading algorithms for every station ^^ 11:20:21 <elmz_> you want different behaviour from a goods station and a passenger station. 11:21:33 <elmz_> strict FIFO would be good at a goods station, you never know how long it is until the next steel train. but at a passenger station there will be more cargo next tick (at least for large towns) 11:22:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i think there needs to be a "pre-waiting area" where cargo is gathered for a few ticks first 11:23:24 <Eddi|zuHause> to avoid odd behaviour at passenger stations, that the train waits for a full load even though it isn't scheduled to do so 11:24:42 <elmz_> yeah, that sucks ^^ if 1 passenger arrives each tick a train without full load will still wait forever ^^ 11:31:31 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 11:32:42 <planetmaker> elmz_: only till fully loaded ;-) 11:32:42 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab7f0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:33:12 <elmz_> that would be virtually an eternity with 1 passenger/tick ;) 11:33:59 <Rubidium> not nearly as long as a 100 part (50 tile) train on a 1 tile station loading 1 passenger per cycle 11:35:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4660.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:16 <elmz_> ^^ 11:36:45 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:39:24 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:40:39 *** xintron [~xintron@h-186-134.A185.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 11:41:11 <xintron> Is there a way to make the text bigger in-game somehow (running windowed mode 1920x1080 and the text is damn small) 11:42:05 <planetmaker> what? 11:42:24 <planetmaker> you might want to look at your openttd.cfg 11:42:31 <planetmaker> text sizes are defined in there 11:42:41 <xintron> so, no way to change it "in-game"? 11:43:10 <planetmaker> nope 11:43:11 <Rubidium> no(, not yet) 11:43:21 <xintron> ok :) 11:43:23 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:44:17 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:44:21 <Rubidium> though the font's fine for me on 1920x1200 (15") 11:44:25 <xintron> what parameter is it? 11:44:37 <xintron> 15" monitor? 11:44:48 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:45:14 <Rubidium> xintron: ..._font and ..._size (where ... is small, medium or large) 11:46:11 <Jupix> the font's unreadable on 2560x1600 viewed from 150cm away :P 11:46:52 <xintron> well, I've got a problem reading it on my screen onli 40cm away :P 11:50:38 <xintron> what's the default font then? 11:51:04 <Rubidium> a fixed size pixel font 11:51:25 <xintron> any normal font similar to that font? 11:51:36 <xintron> verdana, helvetica? 11:52:57 <xintron> or, nvm, I'll stay with this setup (only some text that's hard to read 11:59:12 <__ln__> two quite different opinions about ash: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/04/16/340708/grounded-airline-fears-ash-damage-from-quick-return-to.html http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/04/18/340745/klm-737-test-flight-indicates-no-volcanic-ash-risk.html 12:03:41 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1acd2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:03:53 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:10:39 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 12:10:53 *** mecool [mecool@94.128.34.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:18:59 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f89f:e350:9d0b:7c98] has joined #openttd 12:19:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:21:00 *** woldemar [~woldemar@213.178.34.57] has joined #openttd 12:35:56 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:43:24 *** Peping [~Peping110@fw3.khfree.net] has joined #openttd 12:43:28 <Peping> hi :) 12:44:08 <Alberth> hi 12:46:02 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:56:11 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485E34E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:37 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E34E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:10:26 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 13:10:59 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:18:28 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:18:32 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E34E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:19:44 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:21:00 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E34E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:32:14 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 13:36:01 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:40:02 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:43:31 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:46:29 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 13:46:50 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 13:48:09 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100403215037]] 13:50:42 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:51:48 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 13:52:19 *** gpsoft [~gaal@cpc4-croy13-0-0-cust199.croy.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:55:03 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:00:48 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 14:06:55 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:09:33 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:24:25 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:26:19 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27:33 <Peping> anybody here willing to help me design new kind of goal server for OpenTTD? Enough imagination and AbiWord will do for me :) 14:28:10 <Peping> I can even wait for you to download AbiWord.. I just need somebody to brainstorm with me :) 14:28:25 <Peping> I'm just making a design document :) 14:28:32 <Peping> query me if interested 14:29:15 <Alberth> best way may be to make a thread at the forums 14:30:21 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 14:30:28 <Peping> not registered@forums.. But maybe you're right.. 14:30:53 <Peping> If nobody writes back in 30 minutes.. I'll register at the forums 14:32:06 <Alberth> before you spoke, the last talk here was 1h, 40m ago 14:33:58 <Peping> that's right.. But I guess if you noticed this, anybody else will probably notice it too :) And 1h 40m ago was me coming in and saying "hi" to you :) 14:34:29 <Alberth> I was having a discussion in the window below this one :) 14:34:55 <Peping> oh... I guess you're right then... :| 14:35:57 * Rubidium wonders how to interpret that question 14:36:29 <Rubidium> either you've got some idea, but you've not written anything down... or you've got no ideas yet, you just want to run a goal server because they are popular 14:36:56 <Peping> I do have an idea and I have written something down. 14:37:22 <Peping> And this idea is far from the servers already existing.. 14:37:48 <Peping> But I need somebody to think of improvements and faulties in my writing 14:38:10 <Alberth> s/ties/ts/ :) 14:38:18 <Peping> *faults 14:38:21 <Peping> i know.. 14:40:17 <Rubidium> oh, the better of the two cases :) 14:41:13 <Rubidium> and have you made the most important design decision already? Custom clients or standard (stable) clients? 14:43:44 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-47-249.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 14:43:55 <Peping> standard clients, to make it suitable for most players. The game will not require any special grfs or anything.. Maybe in future releases, but not probably. But yet I'm not sure if one thing is possible and I have not looked through the source to find out yet. Can server spend player's money? 14:44:08 <Peping> I wouldn't say so, just asking 14:44:58 <Peping> (oops, double "yet" in one sentence.. sry :) ) 14:46:33 <Rubidium> a server can spend a player's money as long as the player has money and there's something to spend it on 14:46:40 <Rubidium> e.g. a tile to clear or so 14:47:11 <Eddi|zuHause> the server can send money from one company to another 14:47:22 <Rubidium> if the player has no loan the server can also send a "donate money" command to send money to another company 14:47:49 <Eddi|zuHause> "has no loan" or "bank balance is over loan"? 14:48:44 <Rubidium> you can't send loaned money 14:49:47 <Peping> right... So if I want to spend huge amounts of money, the best solution would be to send the money from a player to a protected company created by the server for that purpose. 14:49:54 <Peping> Am I correct? 14:50:13 <Peping> *spend amounts of money belonging to a client 14:50:26 <Peping> I mean to a player 14:50:40 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 14:50:58 <Peping> ok thanks a lot. 14:51:05 <frosch123> when you start the server you can create a dummy company with some billions of money 14:51:19 <Peping> that's what I wanted to do :) 14:51:35 <frosch123> but you cannot increase its funds while other clients are connected 14:51:36 <planetmaker> Peping: make sure you actually develop (also) for trunk ;-) 14:51:39 <Eddi|zuHause> you can start the game in single player, cheat money, and load that savegame in multiplayer 14:51:59 <planetmaker> thus it might be more sustainable development 14:53:44 <Alberth> using a dummy company sounds a bit hackish to me 14:53:58 <Peping> Eddi|zuHause: that would become difficult If I ran in on a dedicated server with no display.. (which is what I want to actually do). I'll try to figure it all out from the source :) 14:54:24 <Peping> Alberth: it indeed is.. But seems like the only way according to what was said 14:54:24 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you can likely hack it to be able to cheat while no clients are connected yet 14:54:53 <Alberth> Peping: with all sources, it is never the only way. 14:55:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: the difficulty is the premise to use unchanged clients 14:55:27 <Peping> Alberth: ditto 14:55:32 <Alberth> all clients eventually use trunk :) 14:56:16 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: but that requires additional development criteria like code quality and feautre desirability for inclusion 14:56:23 <Peping> hey.. I've got enough time to solve these problems.. Now I need somebody with a creative mind to help me finish the design document.. Anybody? :) 14:56:28 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: frosch * r19670 /trunk/src/ (15 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Add CeilDiv() and RoundDiv() to simplify integer divisions with rounding. 14:56:30 <Eddi|zuHause> it's by far not trivial ;) 14:57:35 <Alberth> Peping: I do intend to do some messing around with scripted control of the world. However that is a tad bigger than your goal. Also I don't have time to do that now. 14:57:47 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: have you ever looked at the game balance branch to see if some parts of the fixed-point calculation logic can be salvaged? 14:58:14 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.162.124] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01:54 <frosch123> yes, it contained a lot of template mess, which could be done a lot simpler. 15:03:13 <frosch123> i once wrote some fixedpoint stuff to simplify tgp, but it did not really simplify it :p 15:12:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, TGP is some isolated piece of code, probably not worth it, but what about stuff like acceleration logic? 15:12:43 <Eddi|zuHause> or payments in values <1£ 15:13:32 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:18:24 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-192-35.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 15:18:27 *** Phurl [~mdupont@ip-81-210-228-126.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 15:18:29 <Phurl> hi 15:18:34 <Phurl> anyone awake 15:19:59 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:22:29 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: problem is that all those unit conversions are scattered over the code. and inbetween fractional units are passed as integers though generic interfaces (e.g. SetDParam) and reinterpreted fractional on the other again. while this works fine, it makes implicit conversions integer -> fractional impossible 15:26:35 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-192-35.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:26:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:27:13 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:30:11 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:32:09 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Quit: MAINTENANCE] 15:34:41 <OwenS> Speaking of fractional, does OpenTTD use floating point anywhere? 15:35:37 <Eddi|zuHause> not in 99% of the code 15:35:59 <Eddi|zuHause> multiplayer can't use floating point 15:36:04 <OwenS> Indeed 15:36:05 <peter1138> tgp uses fp 15:36:13 <Ammler> seems to be a glitch with company colors in RC1 15:36:14 <Eddi|zuHause> rounding causes desyncs 15:36:35 <OwenS> Hmm... If you're thinking about fixed point, I could cook a very handy template classes :) 15:37:24 <OwenS> (Considering theres an awful lot of useful math functions that would be needed) 15:37:40 <Eddi|zuHause> we could use a library for algebraic numbers ;) 15:38:01 <Eddi|zuHause> since these are countable, they can be represented without approximation ;) 15:38:07 <OwenS> Sounds slow ;-) 15:38:13 <peter1138> Ammler, bugs. ... 15:42:25 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 15:42:26 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [] 15:43:31 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43:42 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 15:45:45 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 15:45:58 <frosch123> [17:37] <OwenS> (Considering theres an awful lot of useful math functions that would be needed) <- hehe, but that is actually not the case. in most cases the fractional character of the fractional numbers does not matter 15:46:04 *** zodttd2 [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 15:46:13 <frosch123> at least my approaches failed due to that 15:49:11 *** Peping [~Peping110@fw3.khfree.net] has left #openttd [] 15:49:57 <OwenS> Its gotta be said though, fixed point is possible in C++. It's absolutely horrid in C :p 15:50:46 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.2.72] has quit [] 15:51:53 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:58:04 <frosch123> sure, you can write a nice template, which deals with multiplication, division, addition, assigning, comparison etc. with mixed size fixed point numbers. and i am sure it will look splendid. just, such stuff is not used/needed anywhere in ottd :p 16:00:08 <OwenS> Hehe 16:02:35 *** aber [~Adium@p5B327394.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:52 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 16:04:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah the "problem" is that most operations are just trivially the same as integer operations 16:04:40 *** aber [~Adium@p5B3277E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:04:42 <OwenS> Not really 16:04:49 <OwenS> Multiplication and division are not, for example 16:05:19 <Eddi|zuHause> fixed*integer is the same 16:05:26 <OwenS> Sure, but fixed*fixed is not 16:05:36 <OwenS> They also end up being an area where you end up grumbling, because the compiler generates stupid code 16:05:42 <Eddi|zuHause> but like frosch123 said, fixed*fixed is used nowhere... 16:06:48 <OwenS> ("Lets promote this integer to 64-bits, promote the other one, push them both onto the stack, call the 64-bit multiplication support routine, push the result onto the stack, push a shift factor, call the 64-bit shift support routine") 16:08:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not entirely sure what you're trying to tell us here 16:08:52 <OwenS> Nothing. I'm just venting my frustrations at idiot compilers :p 16:08:59 <Eddi|zuHause> of course multiplying two 32bit integers is going to result in a 64 bit integer 16:10:02 <OwenS> Thing is, rather than doing a 32x32->64 mul, the compiler does a 64x64->64 operation via the support library... 16:12:00 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:12:04 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-192-35.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 16:15:37 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe23dc00-198.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 16:16:22 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@c122-108-245-233.kelvn3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 16:31:03 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:32:45 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42:46 *** zodttd2 is now known as zodttd 16:44:49 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-192-35.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:44:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:44:53 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe23dc00-198.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:51:20 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@200.80-202-26.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 16:53:37 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:33 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1acd2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:00:10 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:00:43 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:11 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 17:13:13 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: frosch * r19671 /trunk/src/ (core/math_func.hpp gfx.cpp terraform_gui.cpp): -Fix (r19670): RoundDiv() needs to deal with signed numerators. 17:22:38 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:24:44 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E34E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30:17 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: ptr_] 17:30:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:32:12 <Rhamphoryncus> Mmmm fixed point 17:32:18 <Rhamphoryncus> (hey look, I can talk!) 17:38:33 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.2.72] has joined #openttd 17:42:32 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-72-88.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 17:45:43 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19672 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:45:43 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:43 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: catalan - 3 changes by arnau 17:45:43 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: czech - 8 changes by Harlequin 17:45:43 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker 17:45:45 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv 17:45:45 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: latvian - 30 changes by nobody 17:46:45 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has joined #openttd 17:49:27 *** murr4y [~murray@89.84-49-66.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 17:51:02 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 17:51:12 *** murr4y [~murray@89.84-49-66.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 18:01:27 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab7f0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02:24 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:20:28 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 18:22:53 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 18:23:35 <Eddi|zuHause> was there ever a coop game with PBI? 18:24:25 <frosch123> hmm, should there really be one line per articulated vehicle in roadvehicle details? 18:24:43 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-212-60.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has joined #openttd 18:24:58 <frosch123> (for trains the cargo is summed up per wagon) 18:25:17 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: yes, there were 18:25:23 <planetmaker> several actually 18:26:07 <planetmaker> I recall due to stockpile limits supplying to stations which were WAY out of the coverage area 18:26:17 <planetmaker> or something along those lines 18:26:32 <planetmaker> We managed to fill the stockpiles of at least 7 sawmills. 18:26:49 <planetmaker> And then further couldn't be builded due to building restrictions 18:26:57 <planetmaker> but don't ask me for the game number ;-) 18:27:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess the "interesting" part is not filling the stockpiles, but having the right balance e.g. with steel mills 18:28:24 <planetmaker> well. But what to do with all the wood then? 18:28:31 <planetmaker> steel mill doesn't want it ;-) 18:29:21 <planetmaker> at least that game was an exercise in the rules how cargo is distributed and accepted and delivered within openttd 18:29:45 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab7f0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:32:05 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: just force trains to unload 18:32:10 *** Peping [~Peping110@fw3.khfree.net] has joined #openttd 18:32:16 <Ammler> and use another order to load excess goods 18:32:21 <Peping> o hai ^_^ 18:32:38 <Ammler> cargo* 18:32:49 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i once did that with coal, and delivered the excess coal to a power station 18:33:04 *** Peping [~Peping110@fw3.khfree.net] has left #openttd [] 18:33:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i need to play through a game with cargodist and PBI... 18:33:48 <Eddi|zuHause> whenever i start, i get side tracked, and then cargodist is out of date, and not savegame compatible... 18:33:57 *** Peping [~Peping110@fw3.khfree.net] has joined #openttd 18:35:20 <SpComb> such is life without savegame compat 18:35:38 <Eddi|zuHause> it's really the biggest drawback of cargodist 18:35:53 <SpComb> my current game is r18870... 18:35:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i want the miniin back :( 18:36:07 <SpComb> how did miniin do it? 18:36:18 <Eddi|zuHause> by special macros 18:36:28 <SpComb> I heard some magical rumours about them having rolling backwards compat 18:36:34 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 18:36:41 <Rubidium> they weren't that special 18:36:56 <Rubidium> and yes, they generally only supported the last 2-3 MiniIN savegame versions 18:37:14 <SpComb> http://git.qmsk.net/?p=openttd;a=blob;f=src/saveload/saveload.h;h=1329783e812fa22f46deb9069c425ff0ec761a6c;hb=refs/heads/cargodist-sprinkles#l339 18:37:20 <SpComb> that's the "magic" that I use 18:37:23 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it was basically "INTRODUCE_VERSION=max(PATCH_INTRODUCE_VERSION,CURRENT_TRUNK_VERSION+1)" 18:37:36 <SpComb> and then ` 52 extern const uint16 SAVEGAME_VERSION = (SLV_NEXT - 1);` 18:37:44 <Rubidium> so if you needed more than those 2-3 savegame versions you had to download some intermediate version 18:37:48 <elmz_> lol, people are gullible ^^ I just killed 1800 passengers in a train crash, one large advertising campaign and they love me again ^^ 18:38:26 <Alberth> you murdered the entire town :p 18:38:42 <Peping> we should add something like people's trust to the company 18:38:54 <SpComb> (lightly adapted from what cargodist has) 18:40:44 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: but "SL_TRUNK+x" doesn't work properly if there's a trunk version bump 18:42:32 <Rubidium> yeah, that savegame stuff doesn't look like it'll do the right thing 18:43:01 <Rubidium> because you don't "sacrifice" older savegame versions 18:44:16 <elmz_> Alberth: yes I did, and £45000 was all it took to make up for it ^^ 18:45:26 <elmz_> 0.04% of my company value ^^ 18:47:15 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:54:36 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: define properly 18:54:55 <SpComb> there's no mention of compat across patched versions 18:55:16 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: if you merge a trunk version bump, you move all patch introduction versions, instead of throwing away the last one 18:55:25 <SpComb> yes 18:55:46 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: hence the whole construction is senseless, you can set all values to "trunk+1" 18:55:56 <SpComb> sure 18:57:35 <SpComb> it's mainly to make merges easier, less fooling around in settings.h and saveload.c 18:58:10 <SpComb> http://fickzoo.com/fonsinchen/cgi-bin/gitweb.pl?p=openttd.git;a=blob;f=src/saveload/saveload.h;h=ad11c5ac3fddfa1b4d49399e4db5e925ae44b524;hb=cd#l339 18:59:01 <SpComb> the only thing it provides is loading of trunk savegames 18:59:18 <Rubidium> savegame compatability and easier merges are mutually exclusive :) 19:01:32 <OwenS> Hey... What does rebuilding roads do to tiles with road and tram lines? Ignore them? 19:02:14 *** Peping [~Peping110@fw3.khfree.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:39 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: it blocks them, why? 19:02:50 <OwenS> Wondering if it affected tram networks too :p 19:02:59 <fonsinchen> Indeed the system I have in place makes merging easier 19:03:18 <fonsinchen> But it makes savegame compatibility between different versions of cargodist harder 19:03:38 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: actually it shouldn't, it just needs to be done once 19:04:08 <fonsinchen> I haven't quite understood the miniin system yet 19:04:46 <fonsinchen> I remember I gave it a look once and thought "I my god, I'll be fiddling with those savegame versions for the rest of my life when I start that" 19:04:50 <fonsinchen> So I didn't 19:04:58 <fonsinchen> but I don't remember the details. 19:05:15 <OwenS> fonsinchen: At least you can use OpenTTD's SL version handling to help out 19:05:29 <fonsinchen> How do you mean that? 19:05:32 <fonsinchen> I do use it 19:05:40 <OwenS> Progsigs has to deal with a binary blob :p 19:06:24 <fonsinchen> The only thing I do is define SL versions ahead of trunk to make loading trunk savegames possible. 19:07:01 <OwenS> Yeah, my issue is that none of the save game version helpers are available because they can't work with variable sized chunks 19:07:40 <fonsinchen> What exactly are you trying to do? 19:08:11 <OwenS> Save signal programs. Instructions have different sizes, so I don't know the size until Ive built the data 19:08:20 <OwenS> So I end up with a custom binary blob in the middle of the save file 19:08:53 <fonsinchen> and how is that related to cargodist? 19:09:06 <OwenS> Its related to save game versioning 19:09:18 <OwenS> Cargodist may have it difficult... Progsigs has it worse 19:09:34 <fonsinchen> ah, ok 19:10:01 <OwenS> I should probably investigate implementing an SlWriteBytes 19:15:07 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has joined #openttd 19:16:11 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 19:16:59 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:17:38 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab7f0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:17:45 *** DX_Ipad [~Dreamxtre@host86-152-199-59.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: IRC is just multiplayer notepad] 19:20:30 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 19:22:11 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:22:32 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 19:22:33 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:29 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 19:26:06 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [] 19:28:01 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:34 *** aber [~Adium@p5B3277E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 19:46:18 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1acd2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:51 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 20:03:14 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-212-60.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1] 20:09:20 *** Arthur_ [~chatzilla@p5B2F56F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:09:28 <Arthur_> hello 20:11:21 * andythenorth goes for an adventure in the world of LEDs 20:11:44 <Terkhen> hi Arthur_ 20:14:58 <planetmaker> hi Arthur_ the other one ;-) 20:15:06 <Arthur_> ^^ 20:15:58 <Arthur_> is a team member online?^^ 20:16:09 <Alberth> of what team? 20:16:11 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 20:16:53 <Arthur_> Open TTD^^ 20:17:04 <Arthur_> Alberth you are^^ 20:18:11 <Alberth> oh, you mean a dev? there are several online 20:18:40 <Alberth> (you could also mean a team member of a team of one of the MP servers) 20:18:56 <Arthur_> First thanks, the game is very good i love it, but will be come a version with better graphics, i mean i like the original grafiks, but it gives more opportunities now ? 20:19:45 <Arthur_> i saw the 32bbp version but it doesnt goes and i didnt think its aktually oR^^? 20:19:48 <Alberth> Well, I did only a *very* small part of the development ;) 20:20:16 <Alberth> I don't understand your other question 20:20:30 <Alberth> what is "more opportunities" ? 20:21:14 <Alberth> as for 32bpp, OpenTTD supports it, there are just a lot of graphics missing. 20:21:15 <Arthur_> i mean 2010 you can make bigger sprites and it gives blender, so i think its possible to make better graphict 20:21:51 <Arthur_> but i get a errow after installing from 32bbp :( 20:21:58 <Arthur_> error^^ 20:22:23 <Alberth> oh, yes that would be possible, as long as you stick to the 2D isometric view 20:23:34 <Alberth> I never tried 32bpp. There are some wiki pages about it, but that is all I know 20:23:57 * andythenorth never tried 32bpp 20:23:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19673 /trunk/src/graph_gui.cpp: 20:23:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Optimize calculation of graph grid size (method by Alberth). 20:23:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Fix: Remove a gcc 3.3 warning. 20:24:33 <Alberth> There may also be a forum about 32bpp development. 20:24:57 <Terkhen> I tried it once, it was impossible to get all sprites without checking a lot of threads :/ 20:24:58 <Arthur_> yes but all english its so hart to read that all 20:25:35 <Arthur_> hard^^ 20:25:59 <Alberth> practice makes perfect 20:26:43 <Alberth> there is not much I can do about that, I am afraid. 20:26:54 <Arthur_> mhh ok but thanks^^ 20:27:19 <Arthur_> is the 32bbp version actually? 20:27:55 <Alberth> but you are not the only person having trouble with english. Just join the crowd ? 20:28:08 <Alberth> don't exactly understand that question 20:29:37 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5e0aa7ba.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:29:48 <Arthur_> Open TTD is now version 1.0.1 RC or something, i mean is the 32bbp version too? 20:30:35 <Alberth> 32bpp graphics packs don't even exist as a complete release as far as I know 20:31:32 <Arthur_> yes but it has a own .exe file 20:31:44 <Alberth> oh. no it has not. 20:32:20 <Alberth> it is just a (set of?) data files that you put in some data directory, just like OpenGFX 20:32:43 <Arthur_> nono it has h exe-file 20:32:44 <Alberth> and you must configure somewhere that you want to use 32bpp I think. 20:32:58 <Alberth> oh? that's new for me. 20:33:20 <planetmaker> Alberth: the 32bpp blitter, is it needed for 32bpp? 20:33:23 <planetmaker> I never tried... 20:33:43 <Alberth> planetmaker: I don't think a 8bpp blitter will work :) 20:33:58 <planetmaker> Alberth: then it needs indeed changing the cfg from the default value 20:34:05 <planetmaker> manually :-) 20:34:19 <planetmaker> or is 32bpp default? I don't think (except OSX) 20:35:17 <planetmaker> Arthur_: there's indeed some separate binaries for a patched "extra zoom levels" patch. 20:35:17 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has quit [] 20:35:20 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0add03.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:20 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 20:35:21 <Alberth> Arthur_: http://wiki.openttd.org/32bit_Graphics_Development is your starting point at the wiki 20:35:25 <planetmaker> Many of the 32bpp people make graphics for that 20:35:42 <planetmaker> But 32bpp is not necessarily tied to the extra zoom levels. 20:36:45 <Arthur_> aso, becouse i am a graphic artist too, i wont help but first i will try and it doesnt goes 20:37:42 <Arthur_> oh i start it and in bugreport stand: 20:37:47 <Arthur_> Configuration: 20:37:48 <Arthur_> Blitter: 8bpp-optimized 20:37:50 <Arthur_> Graphics set: original_windows 20:37:51 <Arthur_> Language: german.lng 20:37:53 <Arthur_> Music driver: dmusic 20:37:54 <Arthur_> Music set: NoMusic 20:37:56 <Arthur_> Network: no 20:37:57 <Arthur_> Sound driver: win32 20:37:59 <Arthur_> Sound set: NoSound 20:38:01 <Arthur_> Video driver: win32 20:38:25 <Arthur_> the blitter is still 8bpp -.- 20:38:49 <Arthur_> but can this maces the crash? 20:39:36 <Arthur_> makes -.- 20:40:01 <planetmaker> Blitter: 32bpp-anim 20:40:10 <Arthur_> ? 20:40:16 <Arthur_> in command line? 20:40:20 <planetmaker> You'll need - afaik - the alternative graphics set for the 32bpp extensio to work 20:40:27 <planetmaker> Arthur_: edit your cfg with a text editor 20:40:29 <planetmaker> yes 20:40:49 <planetmaker> the required graphics base set can be downloaded from ingame 20:41:03 <Arthur_> ? wich cfg? 20:41:11 <planetmaker> and selected in the same screen where you chose... German ;-) 20:41:11 <Alberth> openttd.cfg 20:41:51 <planetmaker> C:\Documente und Einstellungen\Arthur\Eigene Dateien\ÃpenTTD oder so Àhnlich. 20:42:05 <planetmaker> err... English only ;-) 20:42:11 <Arthur_> ^^ 20:42:29 <SmatZ> ÃpenTTD, what? :D 20:42:44 <planetmaker> :-) Double key. I don't know which ;-) 20:42:54 <planetmaker> Ah. Alt+O 20:43:02 <planetmaker> instead of shift 20:43:27 <planetmaker> looks nice, though ;-) 20:43:31 <SmatZ> pÊÊuÇdo 20:43:33 <SmatZ> :) 20:43:36 <planetmaker> :-P 20:43:47 <SmatZ> :-b 20:43:55 <planetmaker> lool :-) Freak! 20:44:00 * planetmaker hugs SmatZ 20:44:07 <Alberth> SmatZ: b-: 20:44:07 * SmatZ hugs planetmaker :) 20:44:13 <SmatZ> d-: 20:44:24 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:44:26 <SmatZ> ¡ÊÉÇÉ¹É (-: ×oo× 20:44:43 <planetmaker> :-O 20:52:07 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 20:56:18 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 20:58:18 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-152-231-162.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:02:37 <Arthur_> can anybody help me: http://paste.openttd.org/225674 21:02:42 <Arthur_> i got this crush and i dont know why 21:04:51 <SmatZ> I got a crush, Arthur_ 21:04:57 <SmatZ> on you <3 21:05:12 <Arthur_> ? 21:05:13 <Terkhen> :D 21:05:22 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:07:22 <planetmaker> lalala :-) 21:07:42 <SmatZ> :) 21:07:49 <SmatZ> Arthur_: you compiled it yourself, right? 21:08:18 <SmatZ> did you include any patches? 21:08:24 <Arthur_> i mean crash^^ no i didnt i have download it 21:08:31 <SmatZ> Arthur_: from where? 21:08:33 <Arthur_> +its the 32bpp versin 21:08:43 <SmatZ> hmm it's not official, you know 21:08:49 <SmatZ> report it to the tt-forums thread 21:09:02 * SpComb idly wonders why the 32bpp builds have such a version info 21:09:40 <Arthur_> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=853845#p853845 21:10:30 <Arthur_> from there i downloadet 21:11:52 <planetmaker> http://szvengar.free.fr/openttd/OpenTTD-32bpp-r19600-win32.rar <-- there's a newer one. No idea about its quality 21:12:08 <planetmaker> I don't attribute the best skills to the author of the posting you pointed to ;-) 21:13:32 <Arthur_> ok it goes now^^ 21:16:54 <Arthur_> thanks 21:18:29 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-213-160.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 21:18:54 <frosch123> http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/showthread.php?tid=4628&pid=62999#pid62999 <- how boring :p 21:19:47 <planetmaker> :-) I very much chuckled at your answer there 21:21:17 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 21:22:57 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:25:01 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27:36 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 21:30:11 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 21:32:06 <Terkhen> good night 21:32:12 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:32:15 <planetmaker> g'night Terkhen 21:37:00 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.157.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:07 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 21:42:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D474.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:44 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:47:07 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 21:50:32 <frosch123> night 21:50:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4660.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52:26 *** Arthur_ [~chatzilla@p5B2F56F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 21:55:16 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.205.150] has joined #openttd 21:55:29 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab7f0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:00:49 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab7f0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:15 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab7f0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:01:57 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02:28 <Phurl> OpenTTD is an Open Source clone of Transport Tycoon Deluxe 22:02:32 <Phurl> that is this channel? 22:03:04 <planetmaker> yep 22:03:08 <Phurl> i would like to know if it would be possible to add in an import of openstreetmap for simulationg of a real ciry 22:03:09 <Phurl> city 22:03:15 <Phurl> i have been working on a blender import 22:03:20 <planetmaker> sure it's possible. 22:03:24 <Phurl> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfXB59HYdrw 22:03:26 <planetmaker> but who does the work? 22:03:32 <Phurl> well i have started on blender 22:03:37 <Phurl> it works somewhat 22:03:47 <devilsadvocate> how on blender? 22:03:50 <planetmaker> and what do you want to import? 22:04:15 <planetmaker> what scale? etc 22:04:43 <Phurl> streets 22:04:57 <Phurl> at some scale that they are recognisable 22:04:59 <Phurl> and usable 22:05:10 * devilsadvocate still does not get what you want to import to/from blender 22:05:16 <Phurl> openstreetmap.org 22:05:18 <Phurl> data 22:05:25 <Phurl> maps of cities 22:05:40 <devilsadvocate> Phurl, afaik blender is used to create individual tiles 22:05:51 <devilsadvocate> maps are different 22:06:05 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab7f0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:02 <Phurl> ok 22:07:08 <Phurl> understand 22:11:44 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 22:12:53 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.48.44] has joined #openttd 22:20:25 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 22:29:34 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.14.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:43:35 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBB55.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... 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