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00:10:00  <Eddi|zuHause> "What's a rar file?" is really a rare question... i sometimes wonder why it doesn't get asked more often...
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01:01:31  <z-MaTRiX> sálálá
01:10:46  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19850 /trunk/src/ (openttd.cpp rail_gui.h saveload/afterload.cpp): -Codechange: move declaration of InitializeRailGUI() to rail_gui.h
01:12:28  <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=877862#p877862 I lol'd
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07:28:30  <Ammler> Guten Morgen :-)
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07:34:32  <planetmaker> good morning
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07:49:43  <Terkhen> good morning
07:53:34  <dihedral> morning
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11:03:21  <planetmaker> dihedral, you asked earlier about crashes. Any particular reason or background?
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12:39:25  <Belugas> hello
12:39:36  <llpd> hi
12:39:59  <planetmaker> good day sir Belugas
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12:51:24  <dihedral> planetmaker: pm
12:57:16  <Eddi|zuHause> "pm: pm"? :p
12:57:42  <planetmaker> :-P
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13:07:01  <Belugas> hello to you too mister planetmaker :)
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13:43:25  <dihedral> \o/ moon-landscape
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17:11:15  <Wolf01> hello :O
17:11:54  <SmatZ> hello Wolf01
17:11:57  <yorick> hello Wolf01
17:12:01  <SmatZ> hello yorick
17:12:38  <Weeknie> Hi wolf01
17:12:48  <yorick> hello SmatZ
17:12:51  <SmatZ> hello Weeknie
17:13:01  <yorick> hello Weeknie
17:13:08  <Weeknie> Hello you both
17:13:12  <Weeknie> Been here 2 hours but still
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17:13:22  <Wolf01> you broke the combo!
17:14:03  <Weeknie> Epic combo breaking!
17:15:02  <SmatZ> hello fjb
17:15:21  <Weeknie> Hello fjb
17:15:38  <Wolf01> hello fjb
17:15:59  <DorpsGek> hello fjb
17:16:00  <planetmaker> hello fjb
17:16:47  <Weeknie> Hello planetmaker
17:16:52  <Weeknie> Hello DorpsGek
17:17:00  <yorick> hello fjb
17:17:10  <Weeknie> Ah yes, hi yorick
17:17:16  <Wolf01> ciao __ln__
17:18:48  <Weeknie> Bye __lin__?
17:18:52  <Weeknie> erm, ln*
17:18:53  <Eddi|zuHause> who's :O?
17:19:00  <Weeknie> Damn, broke it again
17:24:17  <__ln__> ciao a tutti les Wolfs
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17:25:22  <Eddi|zuHause> "kompilierst du noch oder spielst du schon?"
17:26:04  * planetmaker still compiles :-P
17:26:25  <planetmaker> though my approach was rather the other way around ;_)
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17:27:58  <Coldice> hello
17:28:02  <planetmaker> hello
17:28:25  <Coldice> i just got the UK Railway Set tracks from bananas
17:28:42  <planetmaker> is it any good?
17:28:44  <Coldice> but i cant use it
17:28:48  <Coldice> no
17:29:07  <Coldice> doesnt work with UKRS
17:29:12  <Coldice> or any other set
17:29:23  <Coldice> i tried from 1900 to 2070
17:29:32  <Eddi|zuHause> have you read its readme?
17:29:58  <Coldice> in the tar file was only grf and license
17:31:09  <Eddi|zuHause> i guess since it's so new, the UKRS was not updated for it yet
17:31:30  <Eddi|zuHause> better talk to pikka...
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17:32:51  <Coldice> maybe, but in description it says "use it with Uk Railway set or the train set of your choice"
17:33:13  <Coldice> anyway, i just wanted to know if someone played with it
17:34:23  <Eddi|zuHause> i have never heard of the grf...
17:35:29  <Coldice> you can find it in content download or bananas - OTTD
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17:36:55  <Coldice> http://bananas.openttd.org/en/
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17:37:50  <glx> looking at the date it may require a nightly
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17:38:51  <Eddi|zuHause> ... not having a forum thread kinda not helps with finding out how it's supposed to work
17:39:05  <Coldice> i used last nightly r19847
17:39:35  <Coldice> yeah i know.. i searched trough forum, but i didn`t find anything about this set
17:39:37  <glx> and it's not on its user page either
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17:43:03  <Coldice> I tried many train sets.. 2cc 1.0.1 and nightly, UKRS and addons, japan, spanish, dutch, nars, canadian.. nothing
17:44:47  <Eddi|zuHause> ... hmm... segfault...
17:45:17  <Eddi|zuHause> ... in a drawing function...
17:45:54  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19851 /trunk/src/lang/ (8 files): (log message trimmed)
17:45:54  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:54  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 15 changes by josesun
17:45:54  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 changes by habell
17:45:54  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: esperanto - 1 changes by kristjan
17:45:55  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: polish - 1 changes by silver_777
17:45:55  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: portuguese - 3 changes by JayCity
17:46:06  <Weeknie> Oeh
17:46:08  <Weeknie> Language time!
17:47:48  <Weeknie> Would there be someone who could set me up with the translation stuff?
17:48:03  <Weeknie> Might wanna look through it, see if I can spot any stuff that Rubidium mentioned yesterday
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17:50:38  <Yexo> Weeknie: first make sre you have an account at http://translator.openttd.org/
17:50:49  <Yexo> if you already have a wiki account you can use that
17:52:37  <Weeknie> Lol, I only just noticed the login link
17:52:37  <Weeknie> thanks
17:53:56  <Eddi|zuHause> anyone else get a segfault when loading this game? http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/attachment.php?aid=2454
17:54:05  <Weeknie> Lol, english isn't fully translated, but dutch is, that's strange
17:55:18  <Eddi|zuHause> Weeknie: English (UK) is the base language, not English (US)...
17:55:26  <Weeknie> Oh right
17:55:36  <Weeknie> Sorry:P
17:56:42  <Eddi|zuHause> and the columns are not wide enough to display "100.0% complete" in one line...
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18:03:26  <andythenorth> evening
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18:14:07  <Weeknie> Eddi|zuHause, that is fail indeed
18:17:28  <Weeknie> Anyway, I got myself an account with the translater
18:17:30  <Weeknie> Translator*
18:17:35  <Weeknie> So what now?
18:17:54  <Weeknie> (looks very neat btw, if the one who made it happens to be in here
18:18:35  <Weeknie> Oh right, nvm
18:18:53  <Weeknie> It wasn't showing me the click here to sign up thing untill I went back to it again
18:18:55  <Weeknie> STrante:S
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18:35:16  <andythenorth> FISH.....FISH FISH! :D
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18:35:24  <andythenorth> I've got a new hovercraft to paint.
18:35:31  <Weeknie> Lol, have fun:P
18:35:56  * andythenorth ponders whether to use 1CC or 2CC
18:36:51  <andythenorth> both I think
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18:54:09  <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: I could load the savegame
18:54:29  <planetmaker> Looking at the gamelog though is like a trip through the land of do-not-do-this-ever
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19:11:21  <andythenorth> spooky quiet
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19:19:59  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i can load your savegame, but it crashed when i scrolled left
19:31:48  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: the problem seems to occur once i scroll near the factory south of kehlheim
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19:37:58  <Eddi|zuHause> http://paste.openttd.org/225806 <-- how can i find out what's going wrong?
19:39:26  <frosch123> 0x10000000 is an interestnig address
19:40:15  <Eddi|zuHause> it's called from DrawTile_Station
19:40:16  <frosch123> go a some level higher and see where it comes from
19:41:27  <frosch123> go higher until you reach the DrawTile_Station
19:41:46  <frosch123> then explore the stationspec and callback results and such
19:42:39  <Eddi|zuHause> the "l" command is useless, when the current code point is inside an inlined function...
19:50:32  <Eddi|zuHause> (gdb) call GetStationType(ti->tile)   = STATION_WAYPOINT
19:50:55  <Eddi|zuHause>  = {x = 4224, y = 1984, tileh = SLOPE_FLAT, tile = 63752, z = 40}
19:51:10  <Eddi|zuHause> (in the savegame http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/attachment.php?aid=2456 )
19:53:07  <frosch123> reproduced it in new game
19:53:20  <frosch123> build a newgrf waypoint and remove the grf providing the waypoint
19:53:39  <frosch123> so, drawing the fallback default waypoint fails
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20:04:08  <frosch123> GetStationGfx(ti->tile) is out of bounds for _station_display_datas_waypoint
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20:07:42  <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/fsttms.diff <- Eddi|zuHause: does that fix it ?
20:09:20  <Eddi|zuHause> ... compiling
20:10:41  <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: yes, seems to work
20:10:56  <Weeknie> gratz
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20:20:12  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: some of the towns look like their road layout was changed... very ugly...
20:21:39  <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: frosch123 is there a way to dump the game log? Hm.. . I guess you have it in the crash log you got, right?
20:22:03  <frosch123> it is added to the crashlog, yes
20:22:03  <planetmaker> oh... seems it's already fixed :-)
20:22:06  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: type "gamelog" in the console
20:22:10  <planetmaker> I should read first, then write :-)
20:22:19  <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: yes. But not something I could paste outside ottd
20:22:32  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: set "developer 2"?
20:22:38  <planetmaker> hm?
20:22:50  <planetmaker> did I do that?
20:23:00  <planetmaker> it's my default setting, I guess ;-)
20:23:14  <planetmaker> set upon load of the game automatically
20:23:24  <planetmaker> I didn't activate it manually
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20:23:58  <planetmaker> or is that something which outputs console to a file?
20:24:52  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i guess that only affects debug output
20:24:59  <Eddi|zuHause> not all console stuff
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20:26:43  <planetmaker> actually that proves again how broken that savegame is...
20:28:54  <frosch123> continue playing an earlier one, would anyone notice?
20:29:08  <planetmaker> yes, myself :-P
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20:29:25  <planetmaker> dunno, the game date is in the files
20:29:44  <planetmaker> but I'm not sure how well people remember. I don#t care about what I did there.
20:29:54  <planetmaker> It's an interesting style to build
20:29:59  <planetmaker> "interesting"
20:31:02  <planetmaker> but it was fun to fix a few things :-)
20:31:26  <frosch123> isn't that also why peoply like playing with the old ai?
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20:40:03  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not going to play this game ;)
20:40:29  <frosch123> then screw it more up, and let others fix it :p
20:40:45  <Eddi|zuHause> i can't do that, it's not in my nature...
20:41:12  <frosch123> can you put it in a state noone is able to continue it witout bankrupting
20:42:08  <Eddi|zuHause> i wouldn't know how to do that in any ottd game... since every single line > 10 tiles is automatically profitable
20:42:34  <frosch123> not if you refit wagons to wrong cargos
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20:43:54  <SmatZ> @seen Yrol_Denjeah
20:43:54  <DorpsGek> SmatZ: I have not seen Yrol_Denjeah.
20:44:46  <frosch123> he is a TWO customer from hamburg
20:46:40  <Eddi|zuHause> it'd be more funny if the ident said "~bah@hmbg-***"
20:46:55  <SmatZ> :)
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20:50:09  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: frosch * r19852 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp table/station_land.h): -Fix [FS#TT-MS]: Drawing fallback sprites for unavailable NewGRF waypoints failed.
20:51:22  <Yrol_Denjeah> SmatZ: laters darling :o)
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20:52:28  <Eddi|zuHause> @seen Yrol*
20:52:28  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Yrol_Denjeah was last seen in #openttd 1 minute and 6 seconds ago: <Yrol_Denjeah> SmatZ: laters darling :o)
20:52:32  <Eddi|zuHause> @seen Yrol
20:52:32  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: I have not seen Yrol.
20:53:40  <planetmaker> http://img.openttdcoop.org/images/bildscipi.png <-- ideas @ andythenorth
20:54:13  <andythenorth> planetmaker: :)
20:54:21  <andythenorth> I think you have a problem with blue text
20:54:23  <planetmaker> should the variety distribution and smoothness be where they are in that image (only visible with terragenesis) or go (again) down and only be disabled?
20:54:28  <planetmaker> yes, ignore that
20:54:38  <planetmaker> I can't be bothered to recompile languages right now
20:55:42  <planetmaker> the space where "variety distribution" and "smoothness" are, is covered by heightmap info if appropriate
20:55:48  <planetmaker> or nothingness for original
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20:56:27  <andythenorth> I would line the two terragenesis boxes side-by-side in that case
20:56:39  * andythenorth is in a horrible world of jquery selectors not working
20:56:57  <planetmaker> side by side...
20:57:13  <planetmaker> I made them right aligned so that the x*y of the map size remains top in the left column
20:57:45  <andythenorth> goo point
20:57:47  <andythenorth> good
20:58:22  <planetmaker> I thought of moving the x*y line to above that 'variable usage' space.
20:58:27  <planetmaker> good or bad idea?
20:58:50  <planetmaker> directly beneath the 3 choice buttons (heightmap / terra /original)
21:00:53  <andythenorth> I think it should come after the info about heightmap size....bit weird otherwise
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21:01:03  <andythenorth> sorry....my brain is on other things :)
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21:03:24  <Rubidium> hmm... should I or shouldn't I?
21:04:17  <Rubidium> "remember" the times when you could start a scenario from the "new game" window?
21:05:05  <frosch123> you mean with a small row "new random game" at the top?
21:05:10  <frosch123> which was just annoying to click
21:05:20  <frosch123> it always annoys me when i start ttd(p)
21:05:24  <Rubidium> yup
21:05:43  <Rubidium> do you know the difference between starting a scenario via "new game" and "play scenario"?
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21:06:16  <frosch123> i do not know how to start a scenario via new game
21:06:38  * planetmaker doesn't know the latter either
21:07:16  <Rubidium> the former did use the "new game" settings, the latter did use the settings from the scenario
21:07:43  <planetmaker> but how do I load a scenario from new game?
21:08:08  <Rubidium> planetmaker: it's probably from before your time
21:08:17  <planetmaker> oh. Not there anymore? Uff
21:08:20  <frosch123> when was that available? :)
21:08:24  <planetmaker> I thought I was blind ;-)
21:10:01  <Rubidium> frosch123: at least in 0.3.5
21:10:08  <planetmaker> :-D
21:16:53  * frosch123 assigns fs#3842 to opengfx guys
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21:17:37  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19853 /trunk/src/ (os/unix/crashlog_unix.cpp stdafx.h string_func.h): -Fix [FS#3840]: revert r19781 and apply a more sensible version with the same effect
21:18:47  <planetmaker> hm... frosch123 bug or feature request?
21:19:02  <frosch123> did you read it?
21:19:44  <frosch123> i don't know what to say for closing :s
21:20:10  <planetmaker> The icon is there, just looks a bit different, I say. Right?
21:20:16  <Rubidium> yup
21:20:27  <planetmaker> ok, good that I read it correctly :-)
21:20:28  <Rubidium> but... it looks too different from the manual
21:20:37  <Rubidium> so... here we go
21:20:38  <planetmaker> Let me reply before you close it, frosch123 :-)
21:20:45  <Rubidium> 3 versions of the manual are needed
21:21:02  <frosch123> some suggested to replace all manual screenshots with opengfx ones
21:21:16  <frosch123> but, then other users will complain :p
21:21:36  <frosch123> 3 versions? is dos and win that different?
21:21:39  <Rubidium> and... you'll get in trouble with the 32bpp fanatics
21:21:41  <SmatZ> :-)
21:21:47  <planetmaker> haha :-)
21:21:53  <frosch123> oh, those are the third ones :s
21:22:13  <Eddi|zuHause> i knew from the start that changing icons is a bad idea...
21:22:33  <SmatZ> FS#3842 is pure fail
21:22:34  <frosch123> yeah, lets replace them with text buttons :p
21:22:42  <Eddi|zuHause> "click the wrench icon" -- "what wrench icon?"
21:22:56  <SmatZ> some people should be forbidden from using air :-p
21:23:58  <frosch123> hmm, actually, it must be a fake report
21:24:18  <frosch123> "I cannot play the game without this button" <- that is just too hillarious
21:24:25  <Terkhen> he hasn't even tried to click it once? I can't believe that
21:24:31  <Eddi|zuHause> Reef... i know this name...
21:24:32  <frosch123> yup
21:24:35  * SmatZ agrees with frosch123
21:24:36  <Rubidium> frosch123: nah, I propose an user interface made entirely out of pixels in #000000 and #010101 :)
21:24:42  <SmatZ> also, there's nothing "Critical" about that
21:25:16  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19854 /branches/1.0/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
21:25:16  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk:
21:25:16  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Avoid showing building toolbars behind the main toolbar when the 'Link landscape toolbar' setting is active [FS#3781] (r19696)
21:25:16  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Under some circumstances the player's name could be empty (r19693)
21:25:16  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Do not show an error message when trying to give another client an amount of 0 money [FS#3779] (r19684)
21:25:17  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Do not display an error message when double clicking on a vehicle in the 'available vehicles'-window (r19669)
21:26:01  <Rubidium> SmatZ: but the order button isn't there
21:26:17  <SmatZ> Rubidium: valid point :-p
21:26:49  <planetmaker> hm... then I replied to a troll. Whatever :-)
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21:28:45  <SmatZ> :-D
21:28:52  <SmatZ> frosch123 was few seconds faster than me :)
21:29:05  <frosch123> :p
21:29:08  <planetmaker> :-)
21:31:11  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19855 /branches/1.0/src/ (12 files in 2 dirs):
21:31:11  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk:
21:31:11  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Possible divide-by-zero if a NewGRF checked industry var 42 while the production level was 0 (r19749)
21:31:11  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Do not recenter usually centered windows when resizing main window or changing language, if they have been moved/resized before [FS#3675] (r19746)
21:31:13  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: The GUI is controlled by _local_company, not _current_company (r19745)
21:31:13  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: NewGRFs could access map bits of not yet constructed industries and houses during construction callbacks (r19748, r19743)
21:31:15  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Check for industry availability more thoroughly and cancel object placement when selecting not available industries [FS#3787] (r19701)
21:32:24  <frosch123> hmm, i cannot read polish
21:33:54  <frosch123> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html <- he, he links to that page from his homepage :p
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21:36:31  <frosch123> night
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21:38:26  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19856 /branches/1.0/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
21:38:26  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk:
21:38:26  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Height in smallmap was different from measured heights [FS#3808]
21:38:26  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Vehicle var 43 missed AI information in purchase list (r19761)
21:38:26  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Try harder to find a suitable font that can be loaded, i.e. while searching for a suitable font test whether you can open it [FS#3740] (r19753)
21:38:27  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Make sure the chat area fits in the default window size; if you want it larger, you can always change/override it in the config file [FS#3798] (r19751)
21:38:29  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Industry var 0x43 is not 'safe' during callbacks 22 and 38 either (r19750)
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21:45:02  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19857 /branches/1.0/src/ (12 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
21:45:02  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk:
21:45:02  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: If a waypoint is immediately followed by a path signal a reservation
21:45:02  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: would be made from that path signal before the waypoint is marked passed. As a
21:45:02  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: result the order to go to the waypoint is used to reserve the path after the
21:45:03  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: waypoint and as such trains get lost [FS#3770] (r19784)
21:45:05  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: NULL pointer deference when testing relative scope *action2 on an unbuilt engine [FS#3828] (r19782)
21:50:22  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19858 /branches/1.0/ (12 files in 6 dirs):
21:50:22  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk:
21:50:22  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Compilation for NetBSD [FS#3809, FS#3840] (r19853, r19781)
21:50:22  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Drawing fallback sprites for unavailable NewGRF waypoints failed (r19852)
21:50:22  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Ensure that both texts of the NewGRF gui download button fit (r19823)
21:50:23  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Kicking clients by IP did not work [FS#3784] (r19818)
21:50:25  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Compilation with MinGW GCC 4.5.0 and UNICODE (r19787)
21:51:37  <Wolf01> 'night
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22:06:52  <planetmaker> good night here, too
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22:11:52  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
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