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05:49:58 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 05:54:02 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 05:56:50 <andythenorth> morning 06:04:04 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4116.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:30:40 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:31:28 * andythenorth dips toe into multiplayer 06:32:02 <andythenorth> hmm 06:32:13 * andythenorth can't join any games 06:32:35 * andythenorth is using a nightly build 06:32:44 <andythenorth> version mismatch :( 06:37:04 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:47:30 *** devilsadvocate_ [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 06:55:08 *** dfox [~dfox@r3ah113.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 06:58:10 <Terkhen> good morning 07:00:29 <planetmaker> good morning 07:21:37 <SpComb> andythenorth: can't join the wrong games 07:44:04 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-54-57.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:45:47 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:49:10 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74687.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:54:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74687.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:55:22 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@2001:1af8:fe2e:110::1] has joined #openttd 07:55:53 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77BE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:57:12 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74687.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:01:26 <Terkhen> I need a free repository to host a GPL mercurial project (not related at all with OpenTTD); any suggestions? 08:02:22 <SpComb> bitbucket 08:05:59 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has joined #openttd 08:06:24 *** tycoondemon [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has quit [Quit: If I were a rich man, Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum. All day long I'd biddy biddy bum. If I were a wealthy man.] 08:06:26 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:07:16 <planetmaker> Terkhen: what SpComb says. But it *could* also be on the DevZone, if you like 08:07:26 <planetmaker> we can make some exceptions ;-) 08:09:47 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has joined #openttd 08:11:00 <Terkhen> planetmaker: thank you, but my project director already thinks that I expend too much time coding other things :P 08:11:14 <Terkhen> I'll give bitbucket a try, it seems nice 08:11:18 <planetmaker> :-P 08:11:22 <Ammler> little findversion.sh fix so it follows the head: http://pastebin.com/jUBUe9NA 08:11:36 <Ammler> someone able to confirm it working? 08:12:06 <Ammler> it works here with mq 08:12:47 <planetmaker> does it work without? :-) 08:12:56 <Ammler> yep 08:12:59 <planetmaker> and with a simply patched one? 08:13:24 <Ammler> but I am not sure, if I tried all possible situations 08:13:37 <planetmaker> what about, if you try it on a source tar ball (dunno what it shall report there)? 08:13:53 <planetmaker> probably it doesn't change anything... as there's no hg then 08:14:25 * SpComb recalls when the hg version detection still used `hg tip` 08:18:21 <planetmaker> that must be really long ago 08:33:50 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-89-054.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 08:52:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EC2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:05:19 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-53-131.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has joined #openttd 09:14:11 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:17:45 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@ip-54-139-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:20:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ADF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:23:23 <fjb> Moin. 09:26:12 *** oniik [~Alexander@171.85-200-14.bkkb.no] has joined #openttd 09:44:25 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:52:37 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:52:37 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:51b2:b984:830f:c44e] has joined #openttd 10:11:20 <oniik> im using FIRS, the glass works sats it will produce 6t per 8 t delivered, yet from 170t sand it only produced 35 crates of man supplies 10:11:41 <andythenorth> oniik: and 35 crates of goods? 10:11:49 <oniik> does half the sand go to good no matter if i use that? 10:11:55 <oniik> goods* 10:11:57 <andythenorth> @calc 170 * (6/8) 10:11:57 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 127.5 10:12:06 <andythenorth> @calc 127.5/2 10:12:06 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 63.75 10:12:08 <andythenorth> hmm 10:13:15 <andythenorth> oniik: if there are two output cargos, both will always be produced 10:14:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-20-80.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:14:28 <oniik> i see. hard to make a train for man supplies profitable then. unless it is ok that it stands for ever on the station. does that lower the value of them? 10:15:27 <oniik> buitl a small train, but two supplies only gets it to 44% full 10:15:33 <andythenorth> deliver more sand :) 10:15:55 <andythenorth> the 35t output sounds low. It should be more. One of us has made a mistake :o 10:16:01 <andythenorth> Could be me 10:16:39 <oniik> has 80 crates in it now, thats after two sand deliveries of 170t while it was waiting at station 10:17:22 <andythenorth> hmm 10:17:28 <Rubidium> so... send andythenorth a savegame :) 10:17:30 <andythenorth> the code looks right, 10:17:54 <Rubidium> so he can check whether you're using an ancient version of FIRS or the in-game behaviour really is incorrect 10:18:02 <oniik> sure i can, if u want 10:18:33 <andythenorth> pm me via the forums 10:19:09 <oniik> http://rapidshare.com/files/407070284/sandtoglass.sav 10:19:22 <oniik> dont have an account there 10:20:22 <oniik> need to know what grfs i have? 10:21:19 <andythenorth> nah it's fine 10:21:25 <andythenorth> @calc 175 * (6/8) 10:21:25 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 131.25 10:22:00 <oniik> Togglepool Factory 10:22:30 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.42.146] has joined #openttd 10:23:27 <oniik> btw dont laugh at my totally unlucrative setup. ;) 10:23:41 <Rubidium> it gets 45 goods from the station at 71 rating 10:23:47 <Rubidium> @calc 45/.71 10:23:48 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 63.3802816901 10:24:00 <Rubidium> @calc 131/2 10:24:00 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 65.5 10:24:25 <Rubidium> andythenorth: both output cargos get 50% of the 6 produced it seems? 10:24:27 <oniik> what does that? 10:24:52 <oniik> how much is man sup and goods in ton? 10:25:42 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.153.176] has joined #openttd 10:26:16 <Rubidium> @calc (274-166)/180 10:26:16 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 0.6 10:26:23 <andythenorth> I get 63 crates produced of each cargo, which is correct 10:26:39 <oniik> ok im bugged then 10:27:15 * andythenorth ponders 10:27:31 <Rubidium> andythenorth: although the crates aren't 1t, but 0.6t 10:27:49 <andythenorth> don't have time to look properly, but either (a) it's fine, and it's just the station rating, or (b) what rubidium just said (took the words out of my mouth) 10:27:53 <oniik> andythenorth: im also getting 63 creaes in the last month thing on the works window. but look in the train 10:28:18 <andythenorth> oniik: what goes in the train is beyond my control :) FIRS just handles how much is produced 10:28:33 <Rubidium> yes... industry production * station rating -> how much goes to the train 10:28:48 <Rubidium> with 63 and 70% that gives ~45 10:28:51 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 10:29:13 <Rubidium> if the station rating is really low, it gets much worse 10:29:27 <Rubidium> and in case multiple stations are competing it gets really complicated who gets how much 10:29:31 <oniik> my rating is 67% and im getting less than 45. and it should be 100% cause there has alwys been a train with space at the station when it gets sand 10:29:54 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@c122-108-245-233.kelvn3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:30:10 <Rubidium> but the rating is 67%, thus you get only 67% 10:30:21 <Rubidium> @calc 73*0.67 10:30:21 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 48.91 10:30:26 <Rubidium> @calc 63*0.67 10:30:26 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 42.21 10:30:33 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-53-131.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:33 <Rubidium> (should type the right numbers) 10:31:29 <oniik> i see i understand it a little better then. i havent really gotten into the rating yet, bu t i can see now how it can be important. so my sand station is only Poor, why is that? 10:31:47 <oniik> should i use 2 smaller trains instead of one full load? 10:32:35 <Rubidium> http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_Mechanics 10:33:21 <Rubidium> full load is better for rating, multiple trains as well, i.e. there is no time with no waiting train and thus waiting cargo as that reduces the station rating 10:35:54 *** dfox [~dfox@r3ah113.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:46 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-89-054.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:52:54 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-89-054.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 10:53:15 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:00:37 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4116.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 11:00:37 *** functionofxy__ [~functiono@pool-72-79-87-120.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:06:12 *** functionofxy_ [~functiono@pool-72-79-106-99.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:07:28 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:09:36 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4116.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:09:58 *** Eddi|zuHause3 is now known as Eddi|zuHause2 11:09:59 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 11:10:08 <oniik> lot harder to make money in this than in vanilla. got 4 trains on 3 oil wells going to one refinery where i have one train on chems. the wells produce enough to make the trains go nonstop, yet i am maxed on loan and little money trickling in 11:18:25 <planetmaker> oniik, the longer the route the larger the revenue. Maybe your travel distance is just very short 11:23:22 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:23 <oniik> had short, medium and long 11:34:58 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-89-054.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 11:35:07 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-89-054.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 11:42:49 <planetmaker> long = once accross the map 11:45:52 <oniik> yea not that heh 11:46:22 <oniik> 40ish days of travel 11:53:13 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:13a:891c:a58b:a7c] has joined #openttd 11:53:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:55:24 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:06:52 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d95e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:03 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 12:11:31 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB367.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:44:35 *** oniik1 [~Alexander@171.85-200-14.bkkb.no] has joined #openttd 12:45:49 <Belugas> hi in there 12:45:49 *** oniik [~Alexander@171.85-200-14.bkkb.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46:16 <PeterT> good day, Belugas! 12:49:11 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:51b2:b984:830f:c44e] has joined #openttd 12:49:39 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:51b2:b984:830f:c44e] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:49:39 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 12:51:29 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF856D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:52:58 <PeterT> SmatZ: what was "strange" about MeCool? 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14:36:56 <TomyLobo> does it mean it goes to the shed if it's at x% reliability? 14:36:57 <PeterT> SmatZ: well, his mask is fine, just real name and away message 14:37:00 <Belugas> hahahah!!! nice nickname :D love it! 14:37:09 <SmatZ> TomyLobo: service is either done after n days, or when reliability reaches n% of max 14:37:13 <Belugas> Tomy Lobo -> Lobo Tomy 14:37:15 <Belugas> lol 14:37:17 <SmatZ> PeterT: probably, yes :) 14:37:18 <SmatZ> hehe :) 14:37:21 <PeterT> :D 14:37:32 <TomyLobo> Belugas you're the first to find that out on his own, congrats :) 14:37:49 <Belugas> no kidding... really? 14:37:53 <TomyLobo> no kidding 14:38:00 <SmatZ> :D 14:38:18 <Belugas> wow... you have made a real good job ;) 14:39:15 <TomyLobo> SmatZ so if i set it to 50% it goes after 50 days? 14:39:29 <TomyLobo> isnt that kind of inconsistant? what if i set it to > 100% 14:39:41 <TomyLobo> well days, not % 14:41:15 <SmatZ> TomyLobo: then it will always head to the depot I guess :-p 14:41:26 <SmatZ> it will be 50% of max engine reliability 14:41:34 <SmatZ> eg. that what you see in the Build Vehicle window 14:41:56 <TomyLobo> ah 14:42:52 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db19108.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:45:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host197-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 14:47:31 * Wolf01 - CHANSERV casts Wolf01 on #openttd 14:48:50 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.10.85.141] has quit [Quit: Nice Scotty, now beam my clothes up too!] 14:50:35 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 14:52:57 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c407.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:53:55 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d827.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:01:00 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c407.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:01:19 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8f401.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:08:40 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d827.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:09:10 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@188.113.85.20] has joined #openttd 15:09:24 * peter1138 ponders a simple embeddable scripting language 15:09:43 <peter1138> and i suppose i could take a look at squirrel... 15:09:54 <SpComb> lua 15:10:00 <peter1138> or that 15:10:04 <SpComb> if you can deal with 1-based array indexes 15:10:08 <peter1138> ew 15:10:15 <PeterT> we don't already have a scripting language? 15:10:26 <peter1138> we? 15:10:35 <PeterT> you don't? 15:10:40 <peter1138> not personally, no 15:10:43 <PeterT> wait, err 15:10:56 <peter1138> i am not talking about openttd 15:10:57 <PeterT> I thought you/we were talking about OpenTTD 15:11:02 <PeterT> ah, okay 15:11:04 <PeterT> good luck! :D 15:11:30 <Wolf01> peter1138: -> falcon programming language 15:11:41 <Wolf01> falconpl.org or such 15:13:03 <Belugas> SQL 15:13:06 <Belugas> buuwhahahahaha! 15:13:24 <peter1138> :s 15:13:48 <ccfreak2k> Lua is as simple as it gets wrt implementation. 15:14:22 <Wolf01> lua is good too 15:14:37 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8f401.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:16:48 <peter1138> hmm, one lua_State per script file, right? 15:17:06 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.10.85.141] has joined #openttd 15:18:23 <peter1138> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA You say I must be crazy 15:18:31 <peter1138> Cos I don't care, who I hit, who I hit 15:19:51 <Belugas> :) 15:20:12 <Belugas> I can still feel you, even so far away 15:20:32 *** BCMM [~ben@78.32.73.127] has joined #openttd 15:20:55 <peter1138> Damn you Peter Gabriel 15:21:09 <BCMM> when the wiki says "Town growth can be accelerated by loading and unloading at least one item of cargo at five stations within town influence within a two month period", does it mean stations with catchments covering the town, or stations within that town's local authority? 15:21:17 <peter1138> Cuddling porcupines indeed 15:21:19 <BCMM> and, more generally, how can i encourage a town to grow? 15:22:57 <Wolf01> by placing 5 or more stations into it and transport cargo 15:22:59 <Belugas> well...both of your statements? 15:23:27 <Belugas> **accepted cargo** 15:24:51 <BCMM> Belugas: so it has to have town buildings in its catchment, not just be within the local authority of that town? 15:25:55 <Belugas> indeed 15:26:17 <Belugas> it's the buildings that are requiring and accpeting and generatuing cargos 15:37:40 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc3-pres13-2-0-cust333.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:46:28 <TomyLobo> do "non stop" orders prevent servicing? 15:47:06 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 15:47:17 <ccfreak2k> I think it just means they don't stop at stations that they're forced to go through. 15:47:29 <TomyLobo> i hope that too ^^ 15:47:55 <TomyLobo> but it would explain why my trains to go to the depot at 0%... 15:50:12 *** Sacro is now known as Guest3117 15:50:13 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 15:53:35 <Wolf01> my trains don't go to depot until I tell them manually or give them the go to nearest depot order... and I have breakdowns enabled and the service time set to 80% 15:53:57 <TomyLobo> yeah same issue here 15:54:10 <Wolf01> also I used to use "go non-stop" orders, now I don't use them, but nothing seem to be changed 15:54:40 <TomyLobo> when sorting by reliability, i almost get the list sorted by train number instead since all of them are at 0%... 15:54:49 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f440a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:57:10 *** Guest3117 [~ben@150.237.218.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:00:15 *** clum [clum@92.20.110.105] has joined #openttd 16:00:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:00:55 <Wolf01> try using some conditional orders based on reliability or put "go to nearest depot" every time they load/unload 16:01:27 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-55-203.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has joined #openttd 16:09:24 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:48 *** perk11 [~perk11@94.233.246.107] has joined #openttd 16:35:40 *** DX_Ipad [Dreamxtrem@92.10.85.141] has joined #openttd 16:35:40 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.10.85.141] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40:14 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:51b2:b984:830f:c44e] has joined #openttd 16:51:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:52:43 <fjb> A train only searches for a depot when it passes a signal. And the depot has to be reachable with in 20 (or less, don't know at the moment) tiles. 16:55:08 <glx> better use "service at" order 16:55:11 <Rubidium> fjb: signals have nothing to do with when it (automatically) searches for (near) depots 16:55:21 <Rubidium> and it's 20 straight tiles worth of penalties 16:55:34 <Rubidium> or whatever you changed the appropriate setting to 16:55:37 <glx> not once the path is reserved IIRC 16:56:17 <Rubidium> it just starts searching at the end of the reserved path 16:56:42 <glx> which is usually a signal ;) 16:58:03 <VVG> A thought crossed my mind and i tested it ingame. Am i right, that depot have some kind of a PBS entry signal built in? 16:59:16 *** Immow [~I-AM-GOD@5351FB7E.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:59:23 <Immow> hi all :) 16:59:54 *** Samu [~Samu@a81-84-19-173.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 17:00:06 <Samu> hey 17:00:08 <Immow> question: is there a limit of the amount of stations (heliports) I can use on one factory, does the factory supply them all with goods? 17:00:42 <Immow> we are playing a game with cargo destinations so I tried something new :) 17:01:11 <Samu> I think there's no limit if you use town noise control and the factory is far away... hmm 17:01:18 <planetmaker> Immow: two stations only will get cargo 17:01:36 <Immow> http://immow.nl/scr/?pic=ScreenShot120.jpg <-- it seems to work on more 17:02:05 <Rubidium> probably because of changing station ratings 17:02:09 <Immow> but 2 of the heliports don't seem to recieve goods for a while now :) 17:02:09 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:02:11 <planetmaker> which two that are may change 17:02:20 <planetmaker> as station rating may change 17:02:27 <Samu> hey, I didn't receive any email from hyronimus yet 17:02:36 <Samu> should I contact the forum admin? 17:02:44 <Immow> changeing station ratings? 17:02:54 *** amateja [5318b282@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:03:54 <welshdragon> Samu: orudge is very busy right now 17:04:31 <Samu> orudge_roaming? 17:04:53 <orudge> what what? 17:05:10 <orudge> and wht were you contacting Hyronymus about? 17:05:31 <Samu> about my account, I want to come back 17:05:54 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 17:05:59 <amateja> Hi, does anybody know about subsidiaries feature? I've found out that MiniIN had had it, but now it's gone. 17:06:45 <Rubidium> it's still in MiniIN 17:07:04 <orudge> Samu: ah, right 17:07:05 <orudge> well 17:07:10 <planetmaker> :-) 17:07:10 <Samu> it's going to be my 3rd chance if I come back 17:07:24 <orudge> send me an e-mail, so I can verify your e-mail address and that you are actually you 17:07:33 <orudge> forums at tt-forums.net 17:07:34 <Samu> ok 17:07:42 <amateja> Rubidium: but well, I can't find it on download page 17:08:04 <Rubidium> amateja: because it's someone's custom patched build of OpenTTD, not something officially supported by the developers 17:08:16 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 17:08:30 <fjb> ... and a little bit outdated... 17:08:59 <PeterT> Samu: you were the one who made a huge fuss over trying to get yourself banned? 17:09:04 <planetmaker> fjb: but only VERY little :-P 17:09:15 <planetmaker> like... 3 years? 17:09:18 <Rubidium> all those superb and well tested features 17:09:26 <amateja> I know that, nevertheless it's awsome :) 17:09:26 <__ln__> according to debian's policy: the more outdated, the more stable 17:09:49 <planetmaker> amateja: then you haven't played recent OpenTTD 17:09:56 * fjb thinks about selling a new game with a long feature list. 17:10:07 <Rubidium> planetmaker: more like 4 years given the total lack of development in the last like half year of MiniIN 17:10:30 <planetmaker> fjb: isn't that the usual case? List zillions of features and then only bug-fix 90% of them as they didn't quite work as advertised? 17:10:48 <amateja> planetmaker: I have, 1.0.0RC3 if I remember well 17:10:53 <planetmaker> Rubidium: :-) In any case before my active time ;-) 17:11:07 <Samu> ok email is sent 17:11:14 <fjb> planetmaker: Why care for fixing bugs once I have the money? 17:11:29 <planetmaker> amateja: right... then you might want to update a bit... you know. Bug fixes :-) 17:11:38 <planetmaker> fjb: true and fair enough 17:11:47 <planetmaker> Shall they bitch around, not your problem then ;-) 17:11:54 <planetmaker> Unless you want to continue to rip them off 17:11:58 <Samu> Yes Peter 17:12:03 <amateja> all I want to say, this whole bunch of new features in 1.0.X is great, but there's still missing this tiny little detail with subsidiaries 17:12:09 <planetmaker> And sell the 2nd bug fix not as a bug fix but as an extension by promising another feature 17:12:16 <fjb> planetmaker: I will make a new game with an even longer feature list then. 17:12:40 <planetmaker> branding is expensive. Just sell add-ons. For 80% of the price of the original 17:12:48 <Rubidium> amateja: subsidiaries is flawed w.r.t. moving cargo between companies 17:13:24 <fjb> planetmaker: Same game title with an added number. 17:13:38 <planetmaker> yes, that works just as well 17:13:51 <planetmaker> but then you need to charge 110% of the original price ;-) 17:13:54 <planetmaker> "need" :-P 17:14:18 <fjb> planetmaker: Of course... 17:14:43 <Samu> does openttd run better on a AMD processor than Intel? 17:14:43 <amateja> Rubidium: so I shouldn't expect this feature or similar to be included in trunk? 17:14:59 * fjb thinks about buying an android... 17:15:05 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r20154 /trunk/projects/ (generate_vs80.vcproj generate_vs90.vcproj): -Fix: A missing entry caused MSVC to modify generate_vs*.vcproj all the time. 17:15:18 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:30 <fjb> Everything runs better on AMD. Or was it the other way round? 17:15:42 <Rubidium> amateja: not until that issue is fixed 17:16:16 <Rubidium> and given none of the official developers care about subsidiaries that much that they write it from scratch, the chance it's going to happen soon is quite small 17:16:37 <Samu> fjb, which sould be faster? Athlon 1800 or Pentium 2400? 17:16:58 <Samu> video cards are 17:17:10 * fjb doesn't know about a Pentium 2400. 17:17:13 <Samu> geforce 5200 for the pentium and radeon 9200 17:17:18 <Samu> for the amd 17:17:27 <Samu> :( 17:18:11 <fjb> Bith graphics cards have a dumb buffer, so they should be good enough. 17:18:13 <planetmaker> it doesn't run on EarthSimulator, though :-( 17:18:39 <Samu> when I turn off OpenTTD animations, fast forwarding goes really fast! 17:18:47 <Samu> if it's on, it's slow 17:18:54 <Samu> really, a big difference 17:18:59 <fjb> Fastest Pentium was 233 MHz any way. 17:19:20 <Samu> it's about 5x faster 17:19:46 <Rubidium> Samu: whatever Compaq uses "simply works better" 17:20:07 <Samu> It's a Pentium IV 2400 17:21:00 <amateja> Rubidium: thanks a lot for explanation, probably adding some milestones on wiki for 1.1.0 version would satisfy interlopers like me :) 17:21:57 <Rubidium> milestones only leads to unsatisfied people and developers having to explain that they simply didn't have the time to add those "promised" features 17:22:51 <planetmaker> hm... probably it'd be quite nice on a SX-9 ;-) 17:23:05 <planetmaker> though it'd be better if it scaled to multiple cores ;-) 17:23:37 <amateja> oh, ok - so I'll focus on translating openttd to help you as much as I can 17:23:50 <Samu> I have a nice feature request, not sure if you like it. Loan money with a simple left click or right click on your money display. 17:24:06 <Samu> left click - repay 17:24:12 <Samu> right click - loan 17:24:20 <amateja> got to go 17:24:28 * amateja says be to everyone 17:24:38 <Samu> be 17:24:46 *** amateja [5318b282@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:25:24 <PeterT> Samu: why? 17:25:57 <Samu> it's just so I don't have to open the finance screen 17:27:21 <Samu> or maybe, change the current method a bit. Left clicking your money opens the finance window. 17:27:32 <Samu> change it to open the small version of it 17:27:45 <perk11> Hi all, I have a question about translation. What do you think, should I translate vehicle names (as soon as they are fictional)? 17:28:03 <planetmaker> perk11: your choice 17:28:13 <planetmaker> but in general I'd not translate names 17:28:28 <planetmaker> it makes cross-language references of vehicles difficult 17:28:56 <planetmaker> even though it'd be nice to have translations of speaking names 17:29:06 *** PeterT [PeterT@peter.tarkoy.com] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 17:29:18 <planetmaker> But already with station names it gets funny, if you have different ones than another play 17:29:38 <planetmaker> only because you two use different languages and default station names are localized 17:30:03 <planetmaker> But names like Treebeard... they deserve to be translated ;-) 17:30:20 <planetmaker> Sauron on the other hand : not 17:31:26 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:31:39 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:14 <perk11> planetmaker: Thanks 17:32:20 <fjb> Wouldn't Eberron be better? 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18:37:10 <Terkhen> fixing the wiki is not the problem... finding a way to make zlib work is 18:37:31 <Rubidium> Terkhen: see http://wiki.openttd.org/Talk:Compiling_on_MinGW#GCC_4.5 (just don't use their script) 18:37:46 <Rubidium> otherwise I might have a tarball with a working environment 18:37:56 <Rubidium> well... archive, not tarball 18:38:14 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 18:39:13 *** Immow [~I-AM-GOD@5351FB7E.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Nipaa~] 18:39:41 <planetmaker> Terkhen: you don't want zlib 1.2.3 anyway 18:39:44 <Terkhen> that's not very user friendly, which was what I was trying to do :P 18:39:53 <Rubidium> planetmaker: what's so terribly wrong with 1.2.3? 18:40:12 <planetmaker> the memory leaks in it? 18:40:55 <Terkhen> actually, using openttd-useful might be simpler than downloading a lot of different packages 18:40:57 <Rubidium> leaks? where? 18:41:22 <Terkhen> and a bash script could take care of all those commands 18:41:25 <Rubidium> Terkhen: they likely don't work with mingw 18:42:07 <planetmaker> - Fix memory leak on error in gz_open() <-- changelog from 1.2.4.2 18:42:33 <Terkhen> well... let's see if I can make it work 18:42:44 <planetmaker> - Fix memory leaks in gzclose_r() and gzclose_w(), file leak in gz_open() <-- in 1.2.4 18:42:59 <Rubidium> planetmaker: if it would be considered a big enough issue there would've been a CVE record, but I can't find it 18:43:20 <Rubidium> even so, as far as I'm aware we're not using those functions 18:43:21 <Terkhen> I found a version of mingw for windows 64 and I'm curious to see if I can get it to compile OpenTTD 18:44:03 <Terkhen> I want to setup mingw anyways, as I'll have to expend a lot of time coding under windows this summer 18:44:09 <planetmaker> http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/31692 <-- like that? 18:45:06 <Rubidium> planetmaker: no... that's OpenSSL 18:45:18 <planetmaker> yes 18:45:29 <Rubidium> not the library we're using 18:50:24 **