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05:49:58 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 05:54:02 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 05:56:50 <andythenorth> morning 06:04:04 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4116.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:30:40 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:31:28 * andythenorth dips toe into multiplayer 06:32:02 <andythenorth> hmm 06:32:13 * andythenorth can't join any games 06:32:35 * andythenorth is using a nightly build 06:32:44 <andythenorth> version mismatch :( 06:37:04 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:47:30 *** devilsadvocate_ [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 06:55:08 *** dfox [~dfox@r3ah113.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 06:58:10 <Terkhen> good morning 07:00:29 <planetmaker> good morning 07:21:37 <SpComb> andythenorth: can't join the wrong games 07:44:04 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-54-57.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:45:47 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:49:10 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74687.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:54:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74687.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:55:22 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@2001:1af8:fe2e:110::1] has joined #openttd 07:55:53 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77BE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:57:12 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74687.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:01:26 <Terkhen> I need a free repository to host a GPL mercurial project (not related at all with OpenTTD); any suggestions? 08:02:22 <SpComb> bitbucket 08:05:59 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has joined #openttd 08:06:24 *** tycoondemon [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has quit [Quit: If I were a rich man, Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum. All day long I'd biddy biddy bum. If I were a wealthy man.] 08:06:26 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:07:16 <planetmaker> Terkhen: what SpComb says. But it *could* also be on the DevZone, if you like 08:07:26 <planetmaker> we can make some exceptions ;-) 08:09:47 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has joined #openttd 08:11:00 <Terkhen> planetmaker: thank you, but my project director already thinks that I expend too much time coding other things :P 08:11:14 <Terkhen> I'll give bitbucket a try, it seems nice 08:11:18 <planetmaker> :-P 08:11:22 <Ammler> little findversion.sh fix so it follows the head: http://pastebin.com/jUBUe9NA 08:11:36 <Ammler> someone able to confirm it working? 08:12:06 <Ammler> it works here with mq 08:12:47 <planetmaker> does it work without? :-) 08:12:56 <Ammler> yep 08:12:59 <planetmaker> and with a simply patched one? 08:13:24 <Ammler> but I am not sure, if I tried all possible situations 08:13:37 <planetmaker> what about, if you try it on a source tar ball (dunno what it shall report there)? 08:13:53 <planetmaker> probably it doesn't change anything... as there's no hg then 08:14:25 * SpComb recalls when the hg version detection still used `hg tip` 08:18:21 <planetmaker> that must be really long ago 08:33:50 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-89-054.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 08:52:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EC2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:05:19 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-53-131.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has joined #openttd 09:14:11 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:17:45 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@ip-54-139-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:20:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ADF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:23:23 <fjb> Moin. 09:26:12 *** oniik [~Alexander@171.85-200-14.bkkb.no] has joined #openttd 09:44:25 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:52:37 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:52:37 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:51b2:b984:830f:c44e] has joined #openttd 10:11:20 <oniik> im using FIRS, the glass works sats it will produce 6t per 8 t delivered, yet from 170t sand it only produced 35 crates of man supplies 10:11:41 <andythenorth> oniik: and 35 crates of goods? 10:11:49 <oniik> does half the sand go to good no matter if i use that? 10:11:55 <oniik> goods* 10:11:57 <andythenorth> @calc 170 * (6/8) 10:11:57 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 127.5 10:12:06 <andythenorth> @calc 127.5/2 10:12:06 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 63.75 10:12:08 <andythenorth> hmm 10:13:15 <andythenorth> oniik: if there are two output cargos, both will always be produced 10:14:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-20-80.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:14:28 <oniik> i see. hard to make a train for man supplies profitable then. unless it is ok that it stands for ever on the station. does that lower the value of them? 10:15:27 <oniik> buitl a small train, but two supplies only gets it to 44% full 10:15:33 <andythenorth> deliver more sand :) 10:15:55 <andythenorth> the 35t output sounds low. It should be more. One of us has made a mistake :o 10:16:01 <andythenorth> Could be me 10:16:39 <oniik> has 80 crates in it now, thats after two sand deliveries of 170t while it was waiting at station 10:17:22 <andythenorth> hmm 10:17:28 <Rubidium> so... send andythenorth a savegame :) 10:17:30 <andythenorth> the code looks right, 10:17:54 <Rubidium> so he can check whether you're using an ancient version of FIRS or the in-game behaviour really is incorrect 10:18:02 <oniik> sure i can, if u want 10:18:33 <andythenorth> pm me via the forums 10:19:09 <oniik> http://rapidshare.com/files/407070284/sandtoglass.sav 10:19:22 <oniik> dont have an account there 10:20:22 <oniik> need to know what grfs i have? 10:21:19 <andythenorth> nah it's fine 10:21:25 <andythenorth> @calc 175 * (6/8) 10:21:25 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 131.25 10:22:00 <oniik> Togglepool Factory 10:22:30 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.42.146] has joined #openttd 10:23:27 <oniik> btw dont laugh at my totally unlucrative setup. ;) 10:23:41 <Rubidium> it gets 45 goods from the station at 71 rating 10:23:47 <Rubidium> @calc 45/.71 10:23:48 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 63.3802816901 10:24:00 <Rubidium> @calc 131/2 10:24:00 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 65.5 10:24:25 <Rubidium> andythenorth: both output cargos get 50% of the 6 produced it seems? 10:24:27 <oniik> what does that? 10:24:52 <oniik> how much is man sup and goods in ton? 10:25:42 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.153.176] has joined #openttd 10:26:16 <Rubidium> @calc (274-166)/180 10:26:16 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 0.6 10:26:23 <andythenorth> I get 63 crates produced of each cargo, which is correct 10:26:39 <oniik> ok im bugged then 10:27:15 * andythenorth ponders 10:27:31 <Rubidium> andythenorth: although the crates aren't 1t, but 0.6t 10:27:49 <andythenorth> don't have time to look properly, but either (a) it's fine, and it's just the station rating, or (b) what rubidium just said (took the words out of my mouth) 10:27:53 <oniik> andythenorth: im also getting 63 creaes in the last month thing on the works window. but look in the train 10:28:18 <andythenorth> oniik: what goes in the train is beyond my control :) FIRS just handles how much is produced 10:28:33 <Rubidium> yes... industry production * station rating -> how much goes to the train 10:28:48 <Rubidium> with 63 and 70% that gives ~45 10:28:51 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 10:29:13 <Rubidium> if the station rating is really low, it gets much worse 10:29:27 <Rubidium> and in case multiple stations are competing it gets really complicated who gets how much 10:29:31 <oniik> my rating is 67% and im getting less than 45. and it should be 100% cause there has alwys been a train with space at the station when it gets sand 10:29:54 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@c122-108-245-233.kelvn3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:30:10 <Rubidium> but the rating is 67%, thus you get only 67% 10:30:21 <Rubidium> @calc 73*0.67 10:30:21 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 48.91 10:30:26 <Rubidium> @calc 63*0.67 10:30:26 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 42.21 10:30:33 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-53-131.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:33 <Rubidium> (should type the right numbers) 10:31:29 <oniik> i see i understand it a little better then. i havent really gotten into the rating yet, bu t i can see now how it can be important. so my sand station is only Poor, why is that? 10:31:47 <oniik> should i use 2 smaller trains instead of one full load? 10:32:35 <Rubidium> http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_Mechanics 10:33:21 <Rubidium> full load is better for rating, multiple trains as well, i.e. there is no time with no waiting train and thus waiting cargo as that reduces the station rating 10:35:54 *** dfox [~dfox@r3ah113.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:46 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-89-054.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:52:54 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-89-054.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 10:53:15 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:00:37 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4116.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 11:00:37 *** functionofxy__ [~functiono@pool-72-79-87-120.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:06:12 *** functionofxy_ [~functiono@pool-72-79-106-99.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:07:28 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:09:36 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4116.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:09:58 *** Eddi|zuHause3 is now known as Eddi|zuHause2 11:09:59 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 11:10:08 <oniik> lot harder to make money in this than in vanilla. got 4 trains on 3 oil wells going to one refinery where i have one train on chems. the wells produce enough to make the trains go nonstop, yet i am maxed on loan and little money trickling in 11:18:25 <planetmaker> oniik, the longer the route the larger the revenue. Maybe your travel distance is just very short 11:23:22 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:23 <oniik> had short, medium and long 11:34:58 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-89-054.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 11:35:07 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-89-054.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 11:42:49 <planetmaker> long = once accross the map 11:45:52 <oniik> yea not that heh 11:46:22 <oniik> 40ish days of travel 11:53:13 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:13a:891c:a58b:a7c] has joined #openttd 11:53:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:55:24 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:06:52 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d95e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:03 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 12:11:31 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB367.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:44:35 *** oniik1 [~Alexander@171.85-200-14.bkkb.no] has joined #openttd 12:45:49 <Belugas> hi in there 12:45:49 *** oniik [~Alexander@171.85-200-14.bkkb.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46:16 <PeterT> good day, Belugas! 12:49:11 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:51b2:b984:830f:c44e] has joined #openttd 12:49:39 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:51b2:b984:830f:c44e] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:49:39 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 12:51:29 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF856D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:52:58 <PeterT> SmatZ: what was "strange" about MeCool? 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14:36:56 <TomyLobo> does it mean it goes to the shed if it's at x% reliability? 14:36:57 <PeterT> SmatZ: well, his mask is fine, just real name and away message 14:37:00 <Belugas> hahahah!!! nice nickname :D love it! 14:37:09 <SmatZ> TomyLobo: service is either done after n days, or when reliability reaches n% of max 14:37:13 <Belugas> Tomy Lobo -> Lobo Tomy 14:37:15 <Belugas> lol 14:37:17 <SmatZ> PeterT: probably, yes :) 14:37:18 <SmatZ> hehe :) 14:37:21 <PeterT> :D 14:37:32 <TomyLobo> Belugas you're the first to find that out on his own, congrats :) 14:37:49 <Belugas> no kidding... really? 14:37:53 <TomyLobo> no kidding 14:38:00 <SmatZ> :D 14:38:18 <Belugas> wow... you have made a real good job ;) 14:39:15 <TomyLobo> SmatZ so if i set it to 50% it goes after 50 days? 14:39:29 <TomyLobo> isnt that kind of inconsistant? what if i set it to > 100% 14:39:41 <TomyLobo> well days, not % 14:41:15 <SmatZ> TomyLobo: then it will always head to the depot I guess :-p 14:41:26 <SmatZ> it will be 50% of max engine reliability 14:41:34 <SmatZ> eg. that what you see in the Build Vehicle window 14:41:56 <TomyLobo> ah 14:42:52 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db19108.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:45:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host197-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 14:47:31 * Wolf01 - CHANSERV casts Wolf01 on #openttd 14:48:50 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.10.85.141] has quit [Quit: Nice Scotty, now beam my clothes up too!] 14:50:35 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 14:52:57 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c407.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:53:55 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d827.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:01:00 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c407.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:01:19 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8f401.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:08:40 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d827.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:09:10 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@188.113.85.20] has joined #openttd 15:09:24 * peter1138 ponders a simple embeddable scripting language 15:09:43 <peter1138> and i suppose i could take a look at squirrel... 15:09:54 <SpComb> lua 15:10:00 <peter1138> or that 15:10:04 <SpComb> if you can deal with 1-based array indexes 15:10:08 <peter1138> ew 15:10:15 <PeterT> we don't already have a scripting language? 15:10:26 <peter1138> we? 15:10:35 <PeterT> you don't? 15:10:40 <peter1138> not personally, no 15:10:43 <PeterT> wait, err 15:10:56 <peter1138> i am not talking about openttd 15:10:57 <PeterT> I thought you/we were talking about OpenTTD 15:11:02 <PeterT> ah, okay 15:11:04 <PeterT> good luck! :D 15:11:30 <Wolf01> peter1138: -> falcon programming language 15:11:41 <Wolf01> falconpl.org or such 15:13:03 <Belugas> SQL 15:13:06 <Belugas> buuwhahahahaha! 15:13:24 <peter1138> :s 15:13:48 <ccfreak2k> Lua is as simple as it gets wrt implementation. 15:14:22 <Wolf01> lua is good too 15:14:37 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8f401.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:16:48 <peter1138> hmm, one lua_State per script file, right? 15:17:06 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.10.85.141] has joined #openttd 15:18:23 <peter1138> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA You say I must be crazy 15:18:31 <peter1138> Cos I don't care, who I hit, who I hit 15:19:51 <Belugas> :) 15:20:12 <Belugas> I can still feel you, even so far away 15:20:32 *** BCMM [~ben@78.32.73.127] has joined #openttd 15:20:55 <peter1138> Damn you Peter Gabriel 15:21:09 <BCMM> when the wiki says "Town growth can be accelerated by loading and unloading at least one item of cargo at five stations within town influence within a two month period", does it mean stations with catchments covering the town, or stations within that town's local authority? 15:21:17 <peter1138> Cuddling porcupines indeed 15:21:19 <BCMM> and, more generally, how can i encourage a town to grow? 15:22:57 <Wolf01> by placing 5 or more stations into it and transport cargo 15:22:59 <Belugas> well...both of your statements? 15:23:27 <Belugas> **accepted cargo** 15:24:51 <BCMM> Belugas: so it has to have town buildings in its catchment, not just be within the local authority of that town? 15:25:55 <Belugas> indeed 15:26:17 <Belugas> it's the buildings that are requiring and accpeting and generatuing cargos 15:37:40 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc3-pres13-2-0-cust333.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:46:28 <TomyLobo> do "non stop" orders prevent servicing? 15:47:06 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 15:47:17 <ccfreak2k> I think it just means they don't stop at stations that they're forced to go through. 15:47:29 <TomyLobo> i hope that too ^^ 15:47:55 <TomyLobo> but it would explain why my trains to go to the depot at 0%... 15:50:12 *** Sacro is now known as Guest3117 15:50:13 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 15:53:35 <Wolf01> my trains don't go to depot until I tell them manually or give them the go to nearest depot order... and I have breakdowns enabled and the service time set to 80% 15:53:57 <TomyLobo> yeah same issue here 15:54:10 <Wolf01> also I used to use "go non-stop" orders, now I don't use them, but nothing seem to be changed 15:54:40 <TomyLobo> when sorting by reliability, i almost get the list sorted by train number instead since all of them are at 0%... 15:54:49 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f440a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:57:10 *** Guest3117 [~ben@150.237.218.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:00:15 *** clum [clum@92.20.110.105] has joined #openttd 16:00:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:00:55 <Wolf01> try using some conditional orders based on reliability or put "go to nearest depot" every time they load/unload 16:01:27 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-55-203.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has joined #openttd 16:09:24 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:48 *** perk11 [~perk11@94.233.246.107] has joined #openttd 16:35:40 *** DX_Ipad [Dreamxtrem@92.10.85.141] has joined #openttd 16:35:40 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.10.85.141] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40:14 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:51b2:b984:830f:c44e] has joined #openttd 16:51:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:52:43 <fjb> A train only searches for a depot when it passes a signal. And the depot has to be reachable with in 20 (or less, don't know at the moment) tiles. 16:55:08 <glx> better use "service at" order 16:55:11 <Rubidium> fjb: signals have nothing to do with when it (automatically) searches for (near) depots 16:55:21 <Rubidium> and it's 20 straight tiles worth of penalties 16:55:34 <Rubidium> or whatever you changed the appropriate setting to 16:55:37 <glx> not once the path is reserved IIRC 16:56:17 <Rubidium> it just starts searching at the end of the reserved path 16:56:42 <glx> which is usually a signal ;) 16:58:03 <VVG> A thought crossed my mind and i tested it ingame. Am i right, that depot have some kind of a PBS entry signal built in? 16:59:16 *** Immow [~I-AM-GOD@5351FB7E.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:59:23 <Immow> hi all :) 16:59:54 *** Samu [~Samu@a81-84-19-173.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 17:00:06 <Samu> hey 17:00:08 <Immow> question: is there a limit of the amount of stations (heliports) I can use on one factory, does the factory supply them all with goods? 17:00:42 <Immow> we are playing a game with cargo destinations so I tried something new :) 17:01:11 <Samu> I think there's no limit if you use town noise control and the factory is far away... hmm 17:01:18 <planetmaker> Immow: two stations only will get cargo 17:01:36 <Immow> http://immow.nl/scr/?pic=ScreenShot120.jpg <-- it seems to work on more 17:02:05 <Rubidium> probably because of changing station ratings 17:02:09 <Immow> but 2 of the heliports don't seem to recieve goods for a while now :) 17:02:09 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:02:11 <planetmaker> which two that are may change 17:02:20 <planetmaker> as station rating may change 17:02:27 <Samu> hey, I didn't receive any email from hyronimus yet 17:02:36 <Samu> should I contact the forum admin? 17:02:44 <Immow> changeing station ratings? 17:02:54 *** amateja [5318b282@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:03:54 <welshdragon> Samu: orudge is very busy right now 17:04:31 <Samu> orudge_roaming? 17:04:53 <orudge> what what? 17:05:10 <orudge> and wht were you contacting Hyronymus about? 17:05:31 <Samu> about my account, I want to come back 17:05:54 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 17:05:59 <amateja> Hi, does anybody know about subsidiaries feature? I've found out that MiniIN had had it, but now it's gone. 17:06:45 <Rubidium> it's still in MiniIN 17:07:04 <orudge> Samu: ah, right 17:07:05 <orudge> well 17:07:10 <planetmaker> :-) 17:07:10 <Samu> it's going to be my 3rd chance if I come back 17:07:24 <orudge> send me an e-mail, so I can verify your e-mail address and that you are actually you 17:07:33 <orudge> forums at tt-forums.net 17:07:34 <Samu> ok 17:07:42 <amateja> Rubidium: but well, I can't find it on download page 17:08:04 <Rubidium> amateja: because it's someone's custom patched build of OpenTTD, not something officially supported by the developers 17:08:16 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 17:08:30 <fjb> ... and a little bit outdated... 17:08:59 <PeterT> Samu: you were the one who made a huge fuss over trying to get yourself banned? 17:09:04 <planetmaker> fjb: but only VERY little :-P 17:09:15 <planetmaker> like... 3 years? 17:09:18 <Rubidium> all those superb and well tested features 17:09:26 <amateja> I know that, nevertheless it's awsome :) 17:09:26 <__ln__> according to debian's policy: the more outdated, the more stable 17:09:49 <planetmaker> amateja: then you haven't played recent OpenTTD 17:09:56 * fjb thinks about selling a new game with a long feature list. 17:10:07 <Rubidium> planetmaker: more like 4 years given the total lack of development in the last like half year of MiniIN 17:10:30 <planetmaker> fjb: isn't that the usual case? List zillions of features and then only bug-fix 90% of them as they didn't quite work as advertised? 17:10:48 <amateja> planetmaker: I have, 1.0.0RC3 if I remember well 17:10:53 <planetmaker> Rubidium: :-) In any case before my active time ;-) 17:11:07 <Samu> ok email is sent 17:11:14 <fjb> planetmaker: Why care for fixing bugs once I have the money? 17:11:29 <planetmaker> amateja: right... then you might want to update a bit... you know. Bug fixes :-) 17:11:38 <planetmaker> fjb: true and fair enough 17:11:47 <planetmaker> Shall they bitch around, not your problem then ;-) 17:11:54 <planetmaker> Unless you want to continue to rip them off 17:11:58 <Samu> Yes Peter 17:12:03 <amateja> all I want to say, this whole bunch of new features in 1.0.X is great, but there's still missing this tiny little detail with subsidiaries 17:12:09 <planetmaker> And sell the 2nd bug fix not as a bug fix but as an extension by promising another feature 17:12:16 <fjb> planetmaker: I will make a new game with an even longer feature list then. 17:12:40 <planetmaker> branding is expensive. Just sell add-ons. For 80% of the price of the original 17:12:48 <Rubidium> amateja: subsidiaries is flawed w.r.t. moving cargo between companies 17:13:24 <fjb> planetmaker: Same game title with an added number. 17:13:38 <planetmaker> yes, that works just as well 17:13:51 <planetmaker> but then you need to charge 110% of the original price ;-) 17:13:54 <planetmaker> "need" :-P 17:14:18 <fjb> planetmaker: Of course... 17:14:43 <Samu> does openttd run better on a AMD processor than Intel? 17:14:43 <amateja> Rubidium: so I shouldn't expect this feature or similar to be included in trunk? 17:14:59 * fjb thinks about buying an android... 17:15:05 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r20154 /trunk/projects/ (generate_vs80.vcproj generate_vs90.vcproj): -Fix: A missing entry caused MSVC to modify generate_vs*.vcproj all the time. 17:15:18 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:30 <fjb> Everything runs better on AMD. Or was it the other way round? 17:15:42 <Rubidium> amateja: not until that issue is fixed 17:16:16 <Rubidium> and given none of the official developers care about subsidiaries that much that they write it from scratch, the chance it's going to happen soon is quite small 17:16:37 <Samu> fjb, which sould be faster? Athlon 1800 or Pentium 2400? 17:16:58 <Samu> video cards are 17:17:10 * fjb doesn't know about a Pentium 2400. 17:17:13 <Samu> geforce 5200 for the pentium and radeon 9200 17:17:18 <Samu> for the amd 17:17:27 <Samu> :( 17:18:11 <fjb> Bith graphics cards have a dumb buffer, so they should be good enough. 17:18:13 <planetmaker> it doesn't run on EarthSimulator, though :-( 17:18:39 <Samu> when I turn off OpenTTD animations, fast forwarding goes really fast! 17:18:47 <Samu> if it's on, it's slow 17:18:54 <Samu> really, a big difference 17:18:59 <fjb> Fastest Pentium was 233 MHz any way. 17:19:20 <Samu> it's about 5x faster 17:19:46 <Rubidium> Samu: whatever Compaq uses "simply works better" 17:20:07 <Samu> It's a Pentium IV 2400 17:21:00 <amateja> Rubidium: thanks a lot for explanation, probably adding some milestones on wiki for 1.1.0 version would satisfy interlopers like me :) 17:21:57 <Rubidium> milestones only leads to unsatisfied people and developers having to explain that they simply didn't have the time to add those "promised" features 17:22:51 <planetmaker> hm... probably it'd be quite nice on a SX-9 ;-) 17:23:05 <planetmaker> though it'd be better if it scaled to multiple cores ;-) 17:23:37 <amateja> oh, ok - so I'll focus on translating openttd to help you as much as I can 17:23:50 <Samu> I have a nice feature request, not sure if you like it. Loan money with a simple left click or right click on your money display. 17:24:06 <Samu> left click - repay 17:24:12 <Samu> right click - loan 17:24:20 <amateja> got to go 17:24:28 * amateja says be to everyone 17:24:38 <Samu> be 17:24:46 *** amateja [5318b282@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:25:24 <PeterT> Samu: why? 17:25:57 <Samu> it's just so I don't have to open the finance screen 17:27:21 <Samu> or maybe, change the current method a bit. Left clicking your money opens the finance window. 17:27:32 <Samu> change it to open the small version of it 17:27:45 <perk11> Hi all, I have a question about translation. What do you think, should I translate vehicle names (as soon as they are fictional)? 17:28:03 <planetmaker> perk11: your choice 17:28:13 <planetmaker> but in general I'd not translate names 17:28:28 <planetmaker> it makes cross-language references of vehicles difficult 17:28:56 <planetmaker> even though it'd be nice to have translations of speaking names 17:29:06 *** PeterT [PeterT@peter.tarkoy.com] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 17:29:18 <planetmaker> But already with station names it gets funny, if you have different ones than another play 17:29:38 <planetmaker> only because you two use different languages and default station names are localized 17:30:03 <planetmaker> But names like Treebeard... they deserve to be translated ;-) 17:30:20 <planetmaker> Sauron on the other hand : not 17:31:26 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:31:39 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:14 <perk11> planetmaker: Thanks 17:32:20 <fjb> Wouldn't Eberron be better? 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18:37:10 <Terkhen> fixing the wiki is not the problem... finding a way to make zlib work is 18:37:31 <Rubidium> Terkhen: see http://wiki.openttd.org/Talk:Compiling_on_MinGW#GCC_4.5 (just don't use their script) 18:37:46 <Rubidium> otherwise I might have a tarball with a working environment 18:37:56 <Rubidium> well... archive, not tarball 18:38:14 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 18:39:13 *** Immow [~I-AM-GOD@5351FB7E.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Nipaa~] 18:39:41 <planetmaker> Terkhen: you don't want zlib 1.2.3 anyway 18:39:44 <Terkhen> that's not very user friendly, which was what I was trying to do :P 18:39:53 <Rubidium> planetmaker: what's so terribly wrong with 1.2.3? 18:40:12 <planetmaker> the memory leaks in it? 18:40:55 <Terkhen> actually, using openttd-useful might be simpler than downloading a lot of different packages 18:40:57 <Rubidium> leaks? where? 18:41:22 <Terkhen> and a bash script could take care of all those commands 18:41:25 <Rubidium> Terkhen: they likely don't work with mingw 18:42:07 <planetmaker> - Fix memory leak on error in gz_open() <-- changelog from 1.2.4.2 18:42:33 <Terkhen> well... let's see if I can make it work 18:42:44 <planetmaker> - Fix memory leaks in gzclose_r() and gzclose_w(), file leak in gz_open() <-- in 1.2.4 18:42:59 <Rubidium> planetmaker: if it would be considered a big enough issue there would've been a CVE record, but I can't find it 18:43:20 <Rubidium> even so, as far as I'm aware we're not using those functions 18:43:21 <Terkhen> I found a version of mingw for windows 64 and I'm curious to see if I can get it to compile OpenTTD 18:44:03 <Terkhen> I want to setup mingw anyways, as I'll have to expend a lot of time coding under windows this summer 18:44:09 <planetmaker> http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/31692 <-- like that? 18:45:06 <Rubidium> planetmaker: no... that's OpenSSL 18:45:18 <planetmaker> yes 18:45:29 <Rubidium> not the library we're using 18:50:24 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-155-152.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:51:08 <planetmaker> hm, ok :-) 18:51:37 <planetmaker> Hm... how ironic is that: "the website cannot be displayed as it uses an unknown compression format" when I visit zlib.net 18:53:17 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:54:02 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:01:52 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-11-126.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:08:14 <Terkhen> heh 19:08:27 <Terkhen> freetype requires make 3.8x, mingw provides 3.79 19:08:51 <Terkhen> I guess that a 4.5.0 version of mingw is required 19:08:58 <planetmaker> hm... I recall having had make 3.81 on mingw. But probably I installed that manually later 19:09:26 <Terkhen> I'll try directly with 4.5.0 instead of with standard mingw then 19:12:41 *** elho [elho@psycho.elho.net] has joined #openttd 19:14:08 <planetmaker> make >= 3.80 is required for a whole range of things. Least of them not grfcodec or renum. Dunno which 19:14:11 <planetmaker> maybe both 19:14:28 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 19:15:00 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:15:35 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r20156 /trunk/src/pbs.cpp: -Fix [FS#3937]: [YAPP] Converting a one-way block to a path signal with trains on both sides could lead to a train crash. 19:29:13 <TomyLobo> great, train crashes when the user is doing something are fixed, but those that happen without interaction are declared "intended behaviour" 19:31:24 <Terkhen> I have to go, I'll be back later or maybe tomorrow 19:33:33 <Rubidium> ciao Terkhen 19:47:03 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.11] has joined #openttd 19:49:46 <|Jeroen|> are there plans for an android version ? 19:51:42 <Rubidium> do suggestions count as plans? Or does it imply someone actually working on it? 19:53:10 <|Jeroen|> na suggestions are a start 19:53:34 <|Jeroen|> i think android has sdl so must be doable 19:54:18 <Rubidium> ipad/iphone "users" complain that the buttons are way way too small 19:54:42 <Eddi|zuHause> needs a double mode! 19:55:08 <|Jeroen|> didn't know there was an iphone version 19:55:55 <|Jeroen|> the down side is that iphone screen only works with fingers and not with a stylus, i guess thats the problem 19:56:05 <|Jeroen|> should be ok on an android device with stylus 19:59:04 <planetmaker> Folks, I proudly present: OpenMSX 0.3.0 19:59:11 <planetmaker> Get it from your favourite fruit store 20:00:53 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:51b2:b984:830f:c44e] has joined #openttd 20:00:53 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:51b2:b984:830f:c44e] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:53 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 20:02:57 <planetmaker> |Jeroen|: it seems feasable on Android 2.0+ 20:03:12 <planetmaker> but still it's quite a big of porting which needs to be done 20:05:27 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:06:21 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:51b2:b984:830f:c44e] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06:22 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:51b2:b984:830f:c44e] has joined #openttd 20:12:21 *** asnoehu is now known as tycoondemon 20:12:39 *** tycoondemon is now known as tycoondemon|holiday 20:18:33 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has quit [Quit: oh orudge... :)] 20:20:02 <frosch123> night 20:20:26 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f440a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:56 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@178.19.113.122] has joined #openttd 20:22:01 <orudge> :) 20:22:28 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:23:02 <planetmaker> wth what kind of leaving / joining was that, Rubidium ? :-) 20:25:58 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I'll leave you guessing about that one 20:30:50 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-155-152.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:31:06 *** Zalon [~zalon@x1-6-00-c0-9f-6f-af-6a.k508.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 20:31:32 *** perk11 [~perk11@94.233.246.107] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 20:31:56 *** Razor [~Razor@c-68-43-74-153.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:33:06 <Razor> Hello anyone there? I have a question about dedicated servers 20:33:24 <planetmaker> no one here 20:33:28 <Zalon> Hello, I was looking around in the wiki, and found a feature called "Build Templates", it was apparently a feature found in the MiniIN build of OpenTTD - but it seems that project has been discontinued 20:33:35 <Razor> lol 20:33:41 <Zalon> is there any builds where this is still included? 20:33:58 <Zalon> or has that feature been completely removed+ 20:34:02 <planetmaker> Zalon: not that I know. Though the copy & paste patch might be exactly that 20:34:03 <Rubidium> MiniIN builds? 20:34:11 <planetmaker> but it has never been in any official build 20:34:22 <Zalon> planetmaker, it was called that as well 20:34:32 <Zalon> Build Templates (Copy & Paste) 20:34:34 <Razor> I had a question on dedicated dervers. Is there a command to make it auto save to your file every xxx amount of months or years in game? Or do you have to manually save it every time? 20:34:36 <Zalon> it says 20:34:41 <Zalon> Rubidium, http://wiki.openttd.org/Mini_Integrated_Nightly 20:35:20 <planetmaker> Razor: of course. But it's also available in non-dedicated. 20:35:26 <Zalon> planetmaker, is the Copy & Paste patch available for 1.0.2? 20:35:27 <planetmaker> rcon set autosave 20:35:30 <planetmaker> values are 0 ... 4 20:35:39 <planetmaker> the higher the more frequent the saves are made 20:35:49 <planetmaker> Zalon: I don't know nor care 20:35:54 <planetmaker> search the forums 20:35:57 <Zalon> ok 20:36:15 *** Kinoshita [a@wl206022.jaist.ac.jp] has joined #openttd 20:36:25 <Razor> thank you ill try it out first time setting up dedicated and have everything but the autosave running smoothly so far :) 20:36:34 <planetmaker> good :-) 20:36:41 <planetmaker> you find that line in the cfg, too 20:36:42 <planetmaker> autosave 20:36:58 <planetmaker> 4 = weekly or so 20:37:00 <Razor> ok 20:37:06 <planetmaker> (ingame weekly) 20:37:10 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20:37:10 <planetmaker> like every 2 minutes 20:38:22 <oniik1> what's up with a locomotive with less that 50% reliability, who would use that? 20:38:39 * planetmaker would 20:38:41 <oniik1> Sharknose, 39% .. 20:38:52 * planetmaker doesn't play with break downs 20:38:59 <oniik1> heh tricky 20:39:32 <Rubidium> planetmaker: it doesn't do ingame weekly 20:39:45 <Rubidium> monthly, quarterly, yearly and never 20:39:46 <planetmaker> monthly then :-) 20:40:32 <Razor> will it overwrite the current game file or save it to one of the ten autosave files? 20:40:52 <Rubidium> Zalon: it was more meant as a rhetorical question about the versions of OpenTTD that have that feature (as it's basically only MiniIN and some scattered other builds) 20:40:56 <planetmaker> it will use autosave files 20:41:10 <planetmaker> but... there can be more than 10 20:41:19 <planetmaker> maybe that's configurable somewhere. Dunno 20:41:30 <planetmaker> there can't be more than 255 though 20:41:38 <oniik1> so it's considered "fair" to play without breakdowns? 20:41:53 <Razor> ok ty 20:41:55 <planetmaker> oniik1: it always applies to all players on a map 20:42:10 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:42:16 <planetmaker> and fair is what is considered fun. I consider break downs annoying 20:42:21 <planetmaker> at least most of the time 20:42:22 <Zalon> Rubidium, oh yeah... I knew about MiniIN, but I found a patch in the forum for a newer version 20:42:34 <Zalon> I just need it to do some design testing 20:42:42 <Zalon> so doesn't matter that it isn't for 1.0.2 20:43:19 <oniik1> people consider paying bills annoying, still part of life ;) 20:43:59 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20157 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Fix [FS#3950]: make it *very* clear that saveconfig doesn't save the configuration of a running savegame to openttd.cfg, but the one that would be used for new games 20:46:32 <Terkhen> life is boring 20:46:40 <planetmaker> hm? 20:47:53 <Rubidium> oniik1: but what if it was possible for no-one to be paying bills. Is that fair? 20:48:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.173.41] has joined #openttd 20:48:34 <Rubidium> actually it would be more fair as there are people that don't pay bills at the moment and thus there is an imbalance 20:50:16 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.11] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:50:39 <Rubidium> hmm, orudge you still haven't disabled the screenshot-inflate-enormously-in-size "feature" of the forurm? :( 20:50:43 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 20:50:49 <orudge> Rubidium: hm 20:50:52 <orudge> I thought I did? 20:50:56 <orudge> old screenshots will stay as they are though 20:50:57 <orudge> I believe 20:51:36 <Rubidium> orudge: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=889726#p889726 20:52:00 <Rubidium> the one of 44.75 KiB has become ~960 KiB 20:53:50 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.177.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:32 <orudge> hmm, and that's new 20:54:33 <orudge> strange 20:55:46 <orudge> hmm, well, it should now be disabled 20:56:57 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 20:58:37 <Belugas> home sweep home swipe the phone for some love 20:58:37 <Belugas> bye 20:59:39 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=890108#p890108 <-- Rubidium "How is it done?" :-P 21:00:53 <Rubidium> with gcc and stuff 21:01:53 <Rubidium> and ofcourse ./configure --os=DOS 21:03:19 <planetmaker> Rubidium: :-) sure. 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As long as you credit wikipedia and not sell that particular information. Though if you do further analysises based on that data it could be questioned if those results are covered by the CC-by-sa license. 22:25:26 <Pikka> Zuu: you don't have to credit wikipedia, you have to credit whoever wrote the article. however, simple information like lists of cities and their locations are not copyrightable. 22:27:48 <Zuu> Hmm, so the only thing that could block this action would be if they have anything in their usage rights that stops you from crawling the site. But then possible google would violate those terms as well. 22:28:09 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db19108.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 22:29:10 * Rubidium wonders when information starts to become non-simple 22:30:56 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20159 /trunk/ (readme.txt src/misc_gui.cpp): -Change: clarify use of OpenTTD directories and don't use the "TTD" abbreviation for Transport Tycoon Deluxe (parts by planetmaker) 22:31:40 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB367.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 22:43:10 <Eddi|zuHause> <Pikka> Zuu: you don't have to credit wikipedia, you have to credit whoever wrote the article. however, simple information like lists of cities and their locations are not copyrightable. <-- in germany, there exists copyright for "databases" 22:44:55 <Zuu> It makes sense if you have to follow their license if you crawl their website to build such a database. 22:46:16 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:40 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:57:48 *** oniik1 [~Alexander@171.85-200-14.bkkb.no] has left #openttd [Leaving.] 23:01:00 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:48 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c282.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 23:13:40 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-53-171.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has joined #openttd 23:17:09 *** BCMM [~ben@78.32.73.127] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:11 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-11-126.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:32:01 <Pikka> Rubidium: when compiling it requires creativity, rather than just hard work :) 23:33:21 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4DFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 23:34:35 <Terkhen> stupid libicu 23:36:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EC2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 23:44:39 <Terkhen> good night 23:54:48 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.42.146] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2]