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00:05:21 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 00:05:47 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:10:54 *** zydeco [~zydeco@163.165.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: miscellaneous hardware exception error] 00:13:06 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 00:13:27 <krinn> good night 00:13:40 *** krinn [~krinn@98.227.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 00:13:54 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:26:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19C5B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:28:30 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:29:34 *** Chaot_s [~Chaot_s@d54C0C5DB.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: http://tinyurl.com/327ee3m] 00:32:02 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: sleep] 00:37:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19C5B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38:41 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:45:34 <supermop> hello 00:50:37 *** Intexon [18de9387@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 00:51:28 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:52:07 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:6114:166:c582:9ede] has joined #openttd 00:53:15 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:56:32 *** grzywacz [~grzywacz@89-78-180-180.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59:51 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c5a7:7509:1027:63f9] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:10:02 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.184.238] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 01:12:13 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:13:26 *** deekay [~dk@89-79-35-236.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: deekay] 01:16:11 *** Markk [~mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:18:53 *** Markk [~mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has joined #openttd 01:19:51 *** Venemo [~Timur@timur.sch.bme.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:22:12 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75E20.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:27:58 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75E20.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:30:38 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:35:43 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:36:05 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:6114:166:c582:9ede] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:36:34 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:6114:166:c582:9ede] has joined #openttd 01:41:11 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 01:48:30 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-119-189.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:49:28 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:03:22 <rane> how do i sell all trains inside one depot? 02:04:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 02:07:04 <Markk> rane: Press the "Sell all trains in depot"-button. 02:07:15 <Markk> Third from top. 02:14:12 *** lauanana [~lauanana@ANantes-552-1-87-156.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 02:15:41 *** lauanana [~lauanana@ANantes-552-1-87-156.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 02:24:22 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC1F5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 02:29:06 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@bas8-london14-1279480034.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 02:29:27 <DanMacK> Hey all 02:30:56 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:53:47 <Mazur> Noy exactly a thrilling night, this one. 02:54:11 <DanMacK> Never is... lol 02:54:24 <Mazur> Public Server doen for maintenance, only Stable is up. 02:54:35 <Mazur> And here people sleep at night. 02:54:43 <Mazur> Unlike myself. 02:55:24 <DanMacK> Well, it's only 9:52 here :P 02:55:47 <Mazur> 03:55:40 here. 02:56:05 <Mazur> So your clock is about 3 minutes slow. 02:56:09 <DanMacK> lol 02:56:12 <Mazur> :-) 02:57:02 <Mazur> But mebbie you lot in Can Ada ahve no nukelur clocks yet. 02:57:48 <DanMacK> nahh 02:59:14 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:6114:166:c582:9ede] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:59:18 <Mazur> Or you're in hte Yukon so far away from civilisation, that a clock is deemed accurate if it gets hte day of hte month right 1 times in 30. 02:59:37 <DanMacK> nahh, just Ontario 02:59:54 <Mazur> Oh, how civilised., 03:00:55 <DanMacK> not really... lol 03:05:37 <Mazur> Well, I'm going to read for a while. Until the public server comes back up or my bed starts calling. 03:05:47 <Mazur> Have a good night. 03:10:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 03:15:20 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:25:52 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-154-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:30:15 *** jennyf [~jennyf@ANantes-552-1-87-156.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 03:31:56 *** jennyf [~jennyf@ANantes-552-1-87-156.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 03:32:03 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-129-196.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:24 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@bas8-london14-1279480034.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [] 04:03:35 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:38:56 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@d58-111-76-230.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:42:43 *** Intexon [18de9387@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 05:35:31 *** Marxman [~chatzilla@bas4-hamilton14-1096564751.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 05:36:22 <Marxman> Does anyone know where I can get that huge diagram that shows all the ECS vector industry connections? 05:39:18 <Marxman> Anyone? 05:46:12 <rane> erm what 05:49:23 *** Marxman [~chatzilla@bas4-hamilton14-1096564751.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014]] 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75E20.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:17 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75761.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:35:39 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm146.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 06:36:37 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22153 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Fix [FS#4536]: The Greek translation didn't work as it breached the 200.000 bytes "limit" for loading language files 07:30:07 <rane> what's the point of smaller planes if all aircraft except maybe 2-3 late game ones move at the same speed 07:31:53 <Pikka> not a lot 07:32:24 <Pikka> especially if the running and purchase costs of the aircraft are trivial compared to their income 07:32:35 <Pikka> Scudless: oh look you're already in #openttd :o 07:32:42 <Scuddles> but are you 07:32:48 <Pikka> but are you? 07:33:14 <Scuddles> yas 07:34:05 <Pikka> and also if all towns produce passengers prolifically and predictably 07:44:46 <rane> i am running a hands-off game with 5 towns interconnectedo n a small map 07:44:52 <rane> 15 mil a year in 1990 with 50 planes 07:45:05 <rane> and again, it's 256x256 07:45:07 <rane> who needs trains! 07:53:40 *** Joseph398 [~Joseph398@adsl-92-211-136.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #openttd 07:54:03 <Joseph398> Just what type of computer do you need to run OpenTTD? 07:54:27 <Joseph398> I have the right OS, but don't know what specs I need for it. 07:54:46 <avdg> if you are on the right os, you have probably the right requirements 07:55:09 <Joseph398> So, there's no demanding 3-D graphics or anything? 07:55:10 <avdg> there are some (unofficial) ports to mobile systems ;-) 07:55:27 <avdg> nope 07:55:35 <avdg> not that I know 07:55:53 <Joseph398> I tried adding in a graphics card onto my computer once, and it was really messy and I never quite got it working. 07:56:56 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-123-191.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 07:57:51 <Joseph398> Thanks, that's all I needed. :) 07:57:51 <avdg> Did you run openttd already? 07:57:55 *** Joseph398 [~Joseph398@adsl-92-211-136.asm.bellsouth.net] has left #openttd [] 07:57:59 <avdg> nvm :p 08:06:21 *** ar3k [~ident@ebn236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 08:13:32 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ebn6.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:14:09 <rane> 08:55 < Joseph398> So, there's no demanding 3-D graphics or anything? 08:14:12 <rane> hihih 08:14:15 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ebn236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 08:14:25 <rane> if you can run irc, you can run openttd? 08:14:27 <rane> =) 08:20:58 *** ar3k [~ident@ebn236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:25:59 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:26:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 08:30:34 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 08:30:57 <planetmaker> moin 08:33:58 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:35:04 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:37:39 <Pikka> boin 08:37:58 <Zuu> Good morning 08:50:51 <Terkhen> good morning 08:55:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AAE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:06:13 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:11:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.184.178] has joined #openttd 09:11:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6B7D5.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:21:16 *** alluke [~52b528fd@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:23:15 *** ValK [~5b2f9da2@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:30:59 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-147-130.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:31:50 *** zydeco [~zydeco@163.165.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 09:31:57 <zydeco> greetings 09:32:15 <Alberth> hello 09:33:21 <Terkhen> hi zydeco 09:37:18 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-13-166.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:41:46 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-119-189.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 09:44:27 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 09:51:45 *** ar3k [~ident@ebn236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 09:55:38 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ebn236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:57:35 *** grzywacz [~grzywacz@89-78-180-180.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 09:58:00 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 10:08:58 *** andythenorth [~andy@115.240.126.56] has joined #openttd 10:11:08 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9FD0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:20:34 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:23:26 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC53F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:25:01 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 10:26:16 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe96c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:27:41 <frosch123> wow, never received turkish spam before 10:28:00 *** snorre_ [~snorre@c6529BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 10:28:52 <Pikka> turkish spam on turkish bread? 10:29:13 <frosch123> looks like they want to sell me sprinkler system for 2000 m² or so :s 10:29:48 *** snorre [~snorre@c6529BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:04 <__ln__> is it cheap? 10:31:33 <frosch123> there are two prices listed; i can only guess: maybe 997 USD for the control system and 3 USD per m² 10:32:45 <Zuu> heh, we have no-addvertising stickies on our mail boxes in my apartment building but one sunday the church had been here and deliveried their magazine to everyone. Otherwise we only get spam about aparments being sold in this area. 10:33:19 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:00 *** andythenorth [~andy@115.240.126.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:38:04 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:44:40 *** ValK [~5b2f9da2@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:45:56 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:47:40 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:47:42 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has joined #openttd 10:53:55 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:58:24 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 11:09:13 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC53F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 11:11:36 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-59-174.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:17 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-150-242.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 11:12:35 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-150-242.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit [] 11:38:51 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: terkhen * r22154 /trunk/src/network/network_client.cpp: -Fix [FS#4529]: _current_company was modified when moving a client to spectators, causing issues in bankruptcy (Rubidium) 11:42:48 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@d58-111-76-230.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014]] 11:45:33 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-137-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 11:51:18 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-147-130.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:56:51 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:08 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.184.238] has joined #openttd 12:08:42 *** andythenorth [~andy@115.242.97.150] has joined #openttd 12:14:25 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-28-187-216.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:23:15 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/tropic.jpg 12:23:18 <andythenorth> tropic ^ 12:23:22 <andythenorth> view from my window 12:27:03 <andythenorth> "This option should be something the devs should add with the very next update of the game." 12:27:08 <andythenorth> so please get on with it :D 12:31:59 <planetmaker> andythenorth, adding over-exposed sprites is your job :-P 12:32:26 * planetmaker waves and is off for the rest of today and tomorrow 12:32:32 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I was referring to http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=53083 12:32:33 <andythenorth> ;) 12:34:52 <Terkhen> planetmaker: enjoy 12:35:32 <Terkhen> andythenorth: where are you? 12:35:41 <andythenorth> bombay 12:35:49 <Terkhen> oh :) 12:35:54 <andythenorth> where FIRS was invented 12:36:09 <andythenorth> in 2008, sans internets 12:36:26 <zydeco> wow 12:36:33 <Terkhen> not having internet leads to doing crazy stuff? 12:36:45 <andythenorth> I guess 12:36:48 <andythenorth> hmm 12:36:49 <Terkhen> :D 12:36:59 * andythenorth has been playing the game for once 12:37:01 <andythenorth> it's not bad 12:37:10 <andythenorth> I have some ideas for....improvements 12:37:11 <andythenorth> :P 12:37:13 <Terkhen> :) 12:37:14 <zydeco> some of us do crazy stuff having internets 12:37:29 <Terkhen> improvements to FIRS or to OpenTTD? 12:37:34 <andythenorth> both :D 12:37:37 <andythenorth> I would like to also report that automatic orders are not good imho 12:37:58 <zydeco> I don't like them either 12:38:02 <andythenorth> although they aren't bad either 12:38:29 <andythenorth> a vehicle that gets lost and accidentally visits a station adds an automatic order for that 12:38:29 <andythenorth> not ideal 12:38:32 <Terkhen> I never see them because I only use go non-stop orders 12:38:38 <andythenorth> I may start doing that 12:38:56 <andythenorth> if automatic is now default, then non-stop should also be 12:39:14 <Terkhen> andythenorth: having automatic orders does not mean that the vehicle will try to follow them 12:39:15 <andythenorth> the 7 tile train-length limit was a cause of some confusion as well 12:39:36 * andythenorth searches wiki for explanation of automatic orders 12:40:04 <Terkhen> to my knowledge they are just a list of stations visited between the "real" orders 12:40:18 <Terkhen> they should not have any effect on how the vehicle moves from a station to another 12:40:40 <andythenorth> are they documented anywhere? 12:40:45 <andythenorth> wiki can't find them 12:40:54 <andythenorth> I haven't seen a forum explanation either 12:41:07 <andythenorth> they're confusing 12:41:13 *** fjb is now known as Guest2837 12:41:14 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFF4E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:42:05 <Terkhen> @commit 21642 12:42:05 <DorpsGek> Terkhen: Commit by rubidium :: r21642 /trunk/src (10 files in 2 dirs) (2010-12-26 09:03:19 UTC) 12:42:06 <DorpsGek> Terkhen: -Feature: concept of automatic station orders; add stub orders for intermediate stations and remove them when not visiting them anymore. This allows you to see what trains visit a station without actually having to order a vehicle to stop at all stations. Based on patch by fonsinchen 12:42:22 <Terkhen> I think that explains what they do, although it is very summarized 12:42:34 * andythenorth to the wiki 12:42:39 <Terkhen> :) 12:44:42 <andythenorth> hmm: http://wiki.openttd.org/Automatic_Orders 12:44:48 <andythenorth> not very explanatory, but better than nothing 12:47:16 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 12:47:17 <andythenorth> the game is quite fun - although I can hardly make any money :P 12:47:35 <andythenorth> and having to force servicing for trains and RVS remains irritating 12:47:52 <Terkhen> hmm... if I redefine default cargos (change their ID) but they keep their cargo label, shouldn't default industries and industry tiles remain unafected? 12:48:28 * Terkhen would prefer to not redefine all industry tiles 12:48:31 *** Guest2837 [~frank@p5DDFF6B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:49:10 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I usually never service them, but it might have to do with my settings or not caring much about ratings 12:53:33 <Yexo> Terkhen: default industries refer to their cargo by slot number, not by label, at least IIRC 12:55:55 <Terkhen> oh 12:56:10 <Terkhen> thanks... this is going to get quite tedious then 12:57:33 <Yexo> see table/build_industry.h (near the bottom of the file) 12:58:07 *** alluke [~52b528fd@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:58:09 <Yexo> no labels, just CT_* constants which are slot indexes 12:59:03 <andythenorth> Terkhen: as yexo said - you have to redefine all tiles and industries 12:59:04 <andythenorth> have fun :P 12:59:10 <Terkhen> I see... I'll need to redefine all of them then :( 12:59:32 <andythenorth> if you are doing a big project, it's worth using defines and IDs to do it 12:59:38 <andythenorth> saves a lot of pain 12:59:59 <andythenorth> are you defining your own cargos 12:59:59 <andythenorth> ? 13:00:07 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I'm trying to do custom industry chains for OpenGFX+ Industries 13:00:22 <andythenorth> so default cargos rearranged, or new cargos? 13:00:30 <Terkhen> default cargos rearranged 13:00:57 <andythenorth> nml or nfo? 13:01:07 <Terkhen> nml 13:01:17 <andythenorth> hmm 13:01:31 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 13:01:38 <andythenorth> if you're redefining existing industries you will at least have fewer action 0 properties to define 13:01:44 <Terkhen> http://pastebin.com/evs91YfN 13:01:48 <Yexo> please keep in mind that cargo support has never really been tested 13:02:53 * andythenorth is lost with nml :D 13:02:54 <Terkhen> Yexo: for now it seems to work, once the full redefinition works I plan to check if the cargos are really identical or not 13:03:18 * andythenorth has to go, might be back sporadically ;) 13:03:22 <andythenorth> bye 13:03:30 <Terkhen> when/if the code is correct, there should not be any visible differences between default cargos and opengfx+ industries ones 13:03:36 <Terkhen> andythenorth: see you later 13:08:32 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:11:23 *** andythenorth [~andy@115.242.97.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:21:35 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9FD0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:28:58 <__ln__> where's the "bahn" at a "busbahnhof"? 13:32:55 <Ammler> __ln__: bahnhof is one word :-) 13:33:02 <frosch123> bahn != eisenbahn 13:33:27 <frosch123> "bahn" is an unprecise abbreviation 13:36:29 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: even in german, some things are illogical ;) 13:38:20 <Ammler> usually a "busbahnhof" is a bus station not adjacent to a "bahnhof" 13:38:48 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC53F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:39:08 <frosch123> it can as well be the bus-part of a rail-stations 13:39:48 <Ammler> hmm, aren't those just bus terminals at a rail station? 13:40:11 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 13:44:32 <__ln__> i'd say bahn == eisenbahn quite often if not specified to be something else :) 13:50:21 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: it's just one of those ethymological developments, where the "bahn" lost its meaning, but the word was still kept 13:50:45 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:51:01 <Eddi|zuHause> "Busbahnhöfe" often, but not always, colocate with a (real) "Bahnhof" 13:52:15 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:54:33 <__ln__> i see 13:59:33 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: smatz * r22155 /trunk/src/saveload/station_sl.cpp: -Codechange: one comment in saveload/station_sl.cpp was wrong 14:06:20 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 14:18:37 *** rellig_107 [~rellig@vs1191017.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 14:18:37 *** rellig [~rellig@vs1191017.vserver.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:23:59 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:186f:f3f6:ce81:8c08] has joined #openttd 14:24:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:08:43 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@151.80-203-100.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 15:17:25 *** Chruker [~no@87-104-39-161-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk] has joined #openttd 15:27:39 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@151.80-203-100.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014]] 15:33:48 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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20:25:55 <Zuu> Yes 20:25:58 <Zuu> pile full 20:26:43 <krinn> oh, never seen that, extreme case or special gameplay (like everyone try to feed one industry?) 20:26:43 <Zuu> Not with original industries, but there are industry sets that under NewGRF-specific conditions. 20:26:53 <krinn> ah ok 20:27:40 <krinn> how a vehicle with full unload react ? waiting at station until it's ok to process? 20:27:54 <Zuu> Try with ECS 20:28:11 <krinn> it's a newgrf ? 20:28:14 <Zuu> Yes 20:28:27 <Zuu> If I try to remember all details, I will probably get them wrong. 20:28:33 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: the cargo will just be stored at the station. when you didn't specify "no loading", the cargo will stay in the vehicle and it goes back half-full 20:28:59 <Zuu> However, NewGRFs could for example reject cargo in February, sundays and christmas if they wished. 20:29:23 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: when the industry starts accepting again, a vehicle must pick up the cargo and deliver it again, it won't be delivered automatically 20:30:10 <Alberth> depending on your unload action, iirc there is also a 'unload when accepted' or so 20:30:43 <krinn> not ai friendly feature 20:30:53 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 20:31:11 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: that part of the newgrf spec is older than the AI system 20:31:20 <Zuu> At least FIRS is far more AI friendly than ECS. 20:31:48 <krinn> we should have a way to know conditions where the industry refuse the cargo 20:31:52 <Zuu> The AI system is only 2-3 years old or so. 20:31:56 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: the AIs have not even a way to ask the GRF about stockpile limits 20:32:07 <krinn> if like you said the industry only accept the 24 december, only a human can see/know that right now 20:32:28 <Zuu> Yes 20:32:54 <krinn> it's an option in those newgrf or is it default behavior ? 20:33:04 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: the only way that the GRFs currently can tell this stuff is by extra text in the industry window. there are no AI callbacks. 20:33:08 <Zuu> But only if the NewGRF author writes that in the manual or other custom gui string. 20:33:40 <krinn> well, i can then safely assume a human activating that + an ai is just dumb no ? 20:34:16 <krinn> except if you're a bankrupt fan :) 20:34:18 <rane> can i turn the impact train speed has on ratings? 20:34:24 <Zuu> Well, you will have to assume that if a such NewGRF is present (only on christmas) it is a user AI to use that NewGRF + AIs. 20:34:31 <rane> i'd like to play with old trains but they get old and businesses disappear:-\ 20:35:05 <Zuu> rane: Probably only via OpenTTD source code + recompile. 20:35:08 <krinn> rane: can add more than 1 train to keep up the rating 20:36:08 <Zuu> Oh, tomorrow is the international mouse arm day :-) 20:36:23 <rane> i typically need two per a station 20:36:25 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm146.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 20:36:35 <rane> but still, as years pass engine gets old and ratings fall 20:36:47 <rane> so i'm forced to go magnev eventually 20:36:51 <krinn> because years pass and industry produce more 20:36:59 <Zuu> You can get a 10%-units bonus buy getting a statue. 20:37:04 <rane> maybe i should get a mod that slows down how fast day pass instead 20:37:07 <krinn> so you need faster train, or more slow trains 20:37:10 <Zuu> (in the right town) 20:37:21 <rane> yes, i have statues 20:37:51 <krinn> it's just like trucks, add 1 it won't keep up the rating, add another one... until they are able to keep it 20:39:13 <Zuu> But rane is right that there is also an age-related component. (not sure if it is the actual vehicle age or engine design year or a combination of both) 20:39:47 <Eddi|zuHause> afair it's the vehicle age 20:39:48 <Yexo> the age related component is about the actual age of the vehicle 20:39:58 <krinn> http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Station_rating it's there 20:39:59 <Yexo> and it's only a bonus for really new (< 2 years old) vehicles 20:40:02 <Zuu> So rane, just use autorenew 20:40:46 <Eddi|zuHause> IMHO it should be influenced by reliability as well 20:40:51 <Zuu> Though, it might not be possible to configure it to renew vehicles when they are > 2 years old. 20:41:07 <krinn> dunno if it has been ask, but i saw a grf providing horses... for this kind of play, a stop date should exist as option 20:41:44 <Zuu> You could also question why the horses smoke while they are broken down. 20:41:48 <krinn> like block game to 1954 and don't higher the date... 20:41:53 <krinn> lol yes 20:41:58 <krinn> farts 20:42:04 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: technically, that would be a really easy patch. 20:42:49 <krinn> you might seen a lot of "western touch" town & building... coming up 20:42:55 <Zuu> A NewGRF could possible also lower the max speed of horses when they are around max-age or older. 20:42:57 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: the game has the functionality to use a year as "endless" loop, but it is hardcoded to year 5.000.000 20:43:12 <krinn> i'm not really interrest about that, just i was thinking that cause i saw people doing grf for this kind of play 20:43:12 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: it would be fairly simple to turn that into a setting 20:43:57 <Alberth> hmm, another form of day-length :) 20:44:13 <krinn> the back to the futur option :p 20:44:19 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: well, not really 20:44:57 <Alberth> krinn: there is a year cheat too :p 20:45:47 <krinn> generally those kind of hardcore players (by hardcore i mean "hey i love to play with horse running at 1mph to carry 3 cargo) don't use cheats 20:46:25 <Zuu> The year cheat can probably give my AIs a bit of a problem as they check if time has progressed X days since last time it ran certain management functions until it run it again. 20:47:00 <krinn> Zuu, you need a WhatTheFuck() function :P 20:47:17 <Zuu> What does your WhatTheFuck() function? 20:47:41 <krinn> get the ai mad 20:47:53 <Yexo> Zuu: just detect the case and litter the map with signs with the text "CHEATER!" 20:48:04 <Zuu> :-) 20:48:06 <krinn> ahah good one Yexo 20:48:24 <krinn> should do it better yes 20:49:06 <krinn> while i catch you Yexo: town can be founded now ? 20:50:27 <Yexo> hmm? a player can indeed found a town in-game now 20:50:30 <Yexo> an AI can't do that (yet) 20:50:59 <krinn> hence the new function, ok 20:55:48 *** MrSieb [~01Mr@chello062178128065.5.13.vie.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 20:55:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:07:30 *** alluke [~52b528fd@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 21:11:37 <__ln__> launch of Discovery as seen on an airplane: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE_USPTmYXM 21:13:31 <krinn> lmao that's why you shouldn't do film with an iphone :P 21:15:31 *** alluke [~52b528fd@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:34 *** Eggman891 [~Eggman891@cpc7-staf7-2-0-cust542.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:16:11 <Zuu> would be interesting with the The dirty windows does quite a bit to it too. 21:17:25 <Zuu> I was on a plane when there was a really great sunset out there to photograph, and had both my pocket camera and my system camera in the cabin but since the window was too dirty it was no point of ginging out the system camera. 21:18:41 <krinn> and think about the front window ! I don't really want see the parts the cleaning can't reach, should have more than mosquitos lying there :) 21:18:48 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:23:06 <Zuu> I guess as dirty as a car, not cleaned for long time. 21:23:36 <Zuu> There is probably more dirt in the air lower down than 10 000 feet up in the sky. 21:24:06 <krinn> + the birds and all that could fly and get it by an airplane 21:24:39 <Zuu> And there is never animals on the road? 21:25:04 <krinn> generally not on your front window 21:25:40 <Zuu> he, true. 21:25:51 <krinn> and also, you genreally don't running at him at mach 2 :) 21:25:55 <krinn> or i want your car ! 21:26:05 <Zuu> A morse on your windscreen will not be very nice though :-) 21:26:12 <Zuu> moose* 21:26:25 <Zuu> Those are really heavy... 21:26:33 * Prof_Frink taps out some morse on Zuu's windscreen 21:26:49 <krinn> yeah, but i don't think you will just keep running with a moose on your main window and ignore him :p 21:27:35 <Zuu> You won't have a main window anymore. 21:28:42 <Zuu> I've thanksfully only hit a moorse by a train, and not by car. That felt like a hard bang that spread through the train. 21:29:13 *** grzywacz [~grzywacz@89-78-180-180.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:27 <krinn> is it moose or morse? 21:29:37 <Zuu> moose 21:29:55 <Zuu> I'm just not used with the English word for it. 21:30:09 <Prof_Frink> krinn: Horse/Moose cross. 21:30:38 <Zuu> It also say elk in my dictionary. 21:31:15 <krinn> they're huge yes, seen my neighbourg's car that hit a (pig, but the savage one) and woowww his car was totally dead 21:32:32 <krinn> he told me the beast goes in the wood like if nothing happen 21:32:58 *** Krusen [~as.if@89.184.153.221] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:32:58 <krinn> i suppose it has gone die farer, but still, the damage on the car was like if he hit a tree or a wall 21:33:30 *** Wolf03 [~wolf01@host103-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:33:30 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest2881 21:33:30 *** Wolf03 is now known as Wolf01 21:34:52 <SmatZ> krinn: it probably died later for internal wounds 21:35:29 <krinn> i suppose that too, but that didn't stop him from running 21:35:50 <Zuu> Those can reach a weight of aronud 200 kg (according to wikipedia) 21:35:56 <krinn> ah name i was looking is "boar" 21:36:35 <Zuu> Romanian and russian can get up to 300 kg, also according to wikipedia. 21:37:11 <krinn> that's huge 21:37:21 <krinn> can eat for month with one ! 21:39:16 *** Guest2881 [~wolf01@host122-233-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:40:51 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:18 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:47 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:46:33 *** vb [4f722152@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:48:32 <vb> hi 21:48:39 <vb> what is the best industry set? 21:48:57 *** Chruker [~no@87-104-39-161-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk] has quit [] 21:50:00 <V453000> original 21:50:09 <V453000> or FIRS 21:50:12 <V453000> others are crap 21:50:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i kinda liked PBI 21:52:24 <V453000> yes if you do not use the mines 21:52:31 <V453000> and for smaller network :) 21:53:22 <vb> so firs it is? 21:53:27 <vb> ecs is too complicated 21:53:46 <vb> factories only need a certain ammount of 21:53:51 <vb> factories only need a certain amount of products 21:54:05 <V453000> ecs is overcombinated and stupid 21:54:11 <V453000> if you want good industries, FIRS is the way 21:54:19 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54:20 <vb> they only thing is, it has cars 21:54:28 <vb> the only good thing is* 21:54:28 <V453000> although the most fun is original industries, imo 21:55:24 <Zuu> I like FIRS, but mostly when I don't have to deal with the complexity myself but just watching the AIs to play with FIRS. :-) 21:56:04 <Zuu> When I play myself I prefere the original industries + vehicles or maybe UKRS as that's what I know best and I can concentrate on rail building. 21:57:44 <V453000> UKRS is the best :p 22:04:26 <krinn> zuu: pointing elem in a {} to null = delete it ? 22:05:04 <Zuu> maybe, depending on what you exactly mean. 22:05:14 <Zuu> Eg, please try to express yourself more clearly. 22:06:05 <krinn> like a={}; b="bah"; a[k] <- b; (so now a[k] = b object) 22:06:29 <krinn> and doing so a[k]=null remove/delete it from {} as a[k] point to nothing now 22:07:02 <Zuu> if b still points to "bah", then the "bah"-object is still alive. 22:07:26 * Sacro wonders when the new version will be out 22:07:46 <krinn> oh found it ! delete a.k 22:09:01 * Zuu thinks Sacro has been around for long enough to have a good idea about when 1.1 will be out. 22:09:33 <Sacro> Zuu: an hour or so? 22:09:47 <Zuu> No 22:09:55 <Sacro> two? 22:10:01 <Zuu> Wrong month 22:10:02 <krinn> the general rule should be "done when its done" no ? 22:10:04 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe96c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:16 <vb> no 22:10:30 <Zuu> Also we have the 28:th tomorrow. 22:10:51 <__ln__> the 29th? 22:11:02 <vb> !time 22:11:04 <vb> fail 22:11:26 <krinn> 29 would be more than a year :p 22:11:32 <Yexo> Sacro: http://wiki.openttd.org/Release_History gives you a very good hint 22:11:36 <__ln__> a fortnight from now? 22:11:54 <__ln__> (i always wanted to use that word) 22:12:25 <vb> which word? 22:12:35 <Zuu> not yet, but in a forthnight it might be a forthnigth to the release. 22:13:58 <__ln__> it's 'fortnight' as i spelled it 22:14:37 <Terkhen> :D 22:14:46 <Zuu> answers.com spell it as "forthnight" 22:14:47 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f721078.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:15:43 <Zuu> but my dictionary only contain fortnight, so it is probably more right. 22:17:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd thought it was derived from "fourteen nights", why would it be written with "th"? 22:18:25 <Zuu> because it sounds okay to put in an h there? 22:18:49 <krinn> i would be only fourth 22:19:19 <__ln__> Etymology: Contracted form of Old English féowertÃœne niht fourteen nights. 22:20:05 <Zuu> krinn: Even if it originates from fourteen it could change over time. 22:20:51 <__ln__> oh cool, there's also 'sennight': A period of seven (days and) nights; a week. 22:21:30 <Eddi|zuHause> then where does the word "week" come from? 22:21:32 <Zuu> well, something the English got to have since they don't have a word for "the day after tomorrow" or "the day before yesterday". :-) 22:21:39 <Sacro> heh 22:21:41 <Sacro> true 22:21:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: yeah, i find that disturbing sometimes 22:21:59 <Sacro> fortnight 22:22:30 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: Etymology: Common Germanic: Old English wice weak feminine corresponds to Old Frisian wike (West Frisian wike, North Frisian week, wik), Old Saxon -wika in crûcewika Passion Week (Middle Low German, Low German weke), Middle Dutch weke (Dutch week), Old High German wehha, wohha (Middle High German, modern German woche), Old Norse vika (Norwegian vika, Swedish vecka, Danish uge), ? Gothic wikÅ (once only, rendering ÏÎ¬ÎŸÎ¹Ï âorderâ in Luk 22:22:59 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 22:23:33 <__ln__> "As there is no reason to suppose that the Germanic peoples used a reckoning by weeks before they came in contact with the Romans, it is probable that the Old Germanic *wikÅn- had originally some meaning wider than that of âperiod of seven daysâ, which the word has in West Germanic and Scandinavian; perhaps it meant âsuccession, series,â and this may have been the sense of Gothic wikÅ in the only recorded example. The root *wï©k- is found in Old No 22:23:51 <krinn> zuu: after tomorrow / before yesterday 22:24:11 <Zuu> still not one word. 22:24:27 <krinn> we also don't have a one word for that, and still our language here is considered rich 22:24:53 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: and another one: why do the french say "quinze jours" (fifteen days) to mean two weeks? 22:24:58 <Zuu> and to me "after tomorrow" doesn't sound like a very specific description of exactly the day after tomorrow, but not any futher ahead in time. 22:25:16 <krinn> eheh eddi, right, but it's not as "two weeks" for us 22:25:19 <krinn> it's half month 22:25:58 <krinn> it's easier to catch an half month than think about x days later 22:27:18 <Sacro> mmm, FISH supports 'lickable pixels' 22:27:45 <Prof_Frink> Pixel licker. 22:27:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: possibly someone dropped a 'c' ;) 22:28:13 <Eddi|zuHause> or an "inexp" ;) 22:28:21 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:48 <krinn> :) i like the 2nd 22:32:40 <Eddi|zuHause> but the most important word that english is missing is the german word: "doch" [typically followed by an exclamation mark] 22:33:28 <krinn> is that the simpson "doh!"? 22:34:05 *** vb [4f722152@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:34:09 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: no. it means "i am right, and you are wrong" 22:35:58 <krinn> only teutons could have such an ordering word :) 22:37:23 <krinn> don't "doch!" generally is follow by a mass crushing your head ? 22:39:00 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4aLThuU008 <-- example usage. (don't know how that is in french original) 22:40:32 <krinn> it's just say "si" for us (means yes but not as yes more as "it is" 22:41:24 <krinn> really funny to see that in german 22:42:12 <krinn> it really looks like it's the real actors voices 22:42:24 <krinn> or the guys they have taken are really good 22:44:29 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 22:47:13 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 22:48:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AAE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:34 <Eddi|zuHause> IMDB doesn't list the speakers in the translated version... 22:49:55 <Ammler> best movie db is wikipedia 22:51:30 <krinn> looks like their own voices really 22:51:38 <krinn> can't detect french accent while they speak? 22:52:22 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.defunes.de/synchron.php <-- this seems to be the list of actors who did synchronisation voice in various films for louis de funes 22:53:39 <Eddi|zuHause> it says Gerd Martienzen had an almost identical voice 22:54:04 <krinn> yes really, tone & all, amazing 22:56:45 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9FD0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:56:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't really have the comparison. 22:58:28 <Sacro> what's the best industries set? 23:00:02 <krinn> Eddi|zuHause, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Er-p-PjrYQ&feature=related 23:01:16 <Eddi|zuHause> another famous example of the word is the (supposed) galileo quote "und sie bewegt sich doch!" (something along the lines of "and she [it, the earth] moves anyway") 23:03:33 <Eddi|zuHause> random etymological tidbit: in all germanic languages the sun is female and the moon is male, while in all romanic languages it's the other way around 23:03:40 <Sacro> @seen Pikka 23:03:40 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Pikka was last seen in #openttd 12 hours, 34 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <Pikka> turkish spam on turkish bread? 23:04:15 <krinn> oh, i didn't know that, and it's true, moon for us is female while sun is male 23:07:37 <Wolf01> 'night 23:07:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host103-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:08:27 <Zuu> never herd about that the sun or moon is male/femaile here 23:09:06 <Terkhen> good night 23:09:14 <krinn> night Terkhen 23:09:23 <krinn> well, you have female/male for beauty no ? 23:10:58 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: no. of course not. that would be logical. :p 23:11:19 *** zydeco [~zydeco@163.165.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: miscellaneous hardware exception error] 23:12:24 <krinn> i don't even think of a word here that isn't male or female 23:13:00 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: german has also "neutral" gender 23:13:04 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-123-191.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:13:41 <Eddi|zuHause> and it's pretty much impossible to get them right if you haven't grown up with them. ask Rubidium ;) 23:13:41 <krinn> i think we have not even one neutral word, it's male/female 23:14:01 <krinn> with male > female of course 23:14:31 <krinn> and the "it" is a pain for us :) 23:15:34 <Zuu> female/male for "beutiful" don't exist in swedish, but it does in the swedish sign language. 23:15:56 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: there are some weird bits between french and german where the genders are exactly opposite 23:17:05 <krinn> must be more religious matter, you know the "we love the moon princess vs we love the moon prince"... so you get prince for moon and moon is male... 23:17:06 <Eddi|zuHause> one particular oddity is "le tour" [as in "a trip"] and "la tour" [as in "a tower"], which is exactly switched around :) 23:17:30 <Zuu> good night all 23:17:36 <krinn> night Zuu 23:18:25 <krinn> you means you would say "le tour du monde" and "tour la eiffel" ? 23:20:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean "la tour eiffel" [female] becomes "Der Eiffelturm" [male] and "le tour de france" [male] becomes "Die Tour de France" [female] 23:21:15 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d820c2e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 23:21:52 <Eddi|zuHause> (while both "Turm" and "Tour" are loan words, they seemed to have switched genders somehow) 23:22:10 <krinn> :O funny 23:23:43 <krinn> all french i know that speak german says it's an easy language for them 23:24:12 <krinn> but this kind of strange gender inversion should be hard 23:25:51 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:25:56 <Eddi|zuHause> pretty much all german people say french is hard ;) 23:26:11 *** MrSieb [~01Mr@chello062178128065.5.13.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:27 <krinn> :) 23:26:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i suppose there are more german people who know french than french people who know german 23:27:06 <krinn> you're kidding? we have region that are german/french fully 23:27:30 <krinn> and german here (as english) is 1st other language you can teach at school 23:27:45 <Eddi|zuHause> well, yes. but outside of that region? 23:27:53 <krinn> while spanish/italian are 2nd ones 23:28:08 <krinn> not that region (i lack to say regions) 23:28:10 <__ln__> is that region larger than 2 square-meters? 23:28:15 <krinn> nearly all north 23:28:38 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: the areas that were formerly part of germany are fairly large 23:29:04 <krinn> alsace, loraine... yep really large 23:29:29 <Eddi|zuHause> they basically went back and forth since medieval times 23:29:39 <__ln__> france, netherlands, ... ah, medieval 23:30:05 <krinn> even today, they are all cheating 23:30:32 <krinn> taking german as 1st language while they all speak french/german since birth 23:30:59 <__ln__> impressive, often babies only learn to talk at around 1 year of age :) 23:31:14 <krinn> :) 23:31:25 <krinn> talk maybe, but parents speak both to them 23:31:37 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: that's what happens when you interbreed german and french people 23:31:37 <krinn> so even they don't talk, understanding is first path to learn 23:32:00 *** ar3k [~ident@ebn236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 23:33:02 <krinn> it create links to slaughter with someone for years :) 23:33:44 <__ln__> i've read about a research which concluded that babies generate different sounds depending on what language they've heard since birth (or even before) 23:34:31 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:35:03 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: yes. it's easily visible with german and french, in the beginning all babies sound alike, but french kids quickly start to emphasise the second syllable while german kids emphasise the first syllable 23:36:10 <Eddi|zuHause> also, japanese kids learn how to distinguish l and r if they grow up in an environment that uses these sounds 23:36:12 <krinn> we learned earlier how to be 2nd :) 23:36:56 <__ln__> intelesting 23:38:05 <krinn> ^^ 23:39:22 <krinn> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Gl%C3%BCcksritter_%28Film%29 a bit like the theory in that movie 23:39:45 <krinn> environment builds you 23:39:48 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: there was a bit on ARTE recently where they asked french people to sing/humm the melody of the german national anthem, and german people to sing/humm the french national anthem. the french had no clue... they only found one person who knew the melody, and he was belgian. while most of the germans knew the melody and some even the text 23:40:33 <krinn> oh really i don't know it myself, not a word or note 23:40:47 <krinn> but it might just because ours is a kick ass battle anthem 23:41:30 <krinn> i'm proud of it, not trusting a god or the like, fight to survive, it sound good 23:42:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm pretty sure it has more to do with the fact that it's kinda closely connected to the french revolution, which is kind of a key point in european history. 23:42:41 <krinn> some here even think we should change it (always a crazy to tell weird things), because not really reprensenting us in today's world 23:43:23 <krinn> i don't know if our anthem exist translate somewhere, but it's really worth reading it 23:43:40 <__ln__> krinn: never watched Formula 1 between ~1996 and ~2005? 23:44:10 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: i think there's lots of blood in it 23:44:11 <krinn> lol, no, as soon as prost give up formula wasn't of any interest :) 23:44:38 <krinn> there's blood in it yes, but not as you think 23:45:06 <krinn> it's more, we will revenge because they blood us, our wife, country... 23:45:30 <krinn> eheh, more like "we will kick your ass, but not our fault, you start it" 23:46:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i have seen a translation before, but i only remember some small bits 23:46:15 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 23:46:19 <krinn> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marseillaise 23:46:26 <krinn> the wikipedia is so a great tool 23:49:03 <__ln__> by today's standards the french revolution would be considered an act of terrorism for sure. 23:49:49 <krinn> yes and no 23:50:17 <krinn> no because taking weapon and fight vs your opponent isn't terrorism, revolution, rebellion but not terrorism 23:50:30 <krinn> terrorism is fear battle, hidden attack 23:50:40 <krinn> but for today's standard yes 23:51:00 <krinn> because terrorism today is what the one that govern you is calling terrorism 23:51:09 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: even they called it "La Terreur"? 23:52:11 <krinn> and you also don't attack random target, but you're against something clearly define 23:52:12 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 23:52:48 <__ln__> i agree 23:53:29 <krinn> terrorism would be me bombing a subway in london asking to remove a dictator somewhere, or me in my own country bombing random people in a cinema for a reason not related to movie... 23:54:14 <krinn> but even i won't last long, me taking a weapon and telling i'm going to fight and kick ass another army isn't terrorism :) 23:55:48 <krinn> but it sounds good to kick someone ass and tell everyone, you're just taking off terrorists 23:57:34 <Eddi|zuHause> there is no real distinction between a "terrorist" and a "freedom fighter". it's all about on which side you're on 23:58:19 <krinn> well there's one, tigher if you do that on your own country, but still one 23:59:01 <Eddi|zuHause> not really 23:59:38 <krinn> crashing a plane to washington dc if you are a military and your country is at war against that country is war 23:59:57 <krinn> crashing that plane while many civilian are inside the plane is terrorism