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I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 08:49:58 <bobingabout> Ah, hello. 08:50:58 <bobingabout> Anyway, I am needing some assistance with programming in general, but I have no idea where i should look... so i came here, because i used to be on the forums a lot 08:51:22 <peter1138> heh 08:51:37 <bobingabout> I learned some Borland turbo C++ years ago... and well, it just doesn't cut it for what i want to do 08:51:54 <bobingabout> moving over to something more modern is a lot more difficult than i thought it would be 08:53:37 <peter1138> are you stuck on the environment or the language? 08:53:45 <bobingabout> both 08:53:52 <peter1138> the environment is just a glorified text editor... 08:53:57 <peter1138> the language is the language 08:54:25 <bobingabout> okay, i'll say mostly the language 08:55:00 <peter1138> well the language hasn't really changed much 08:55:04 <bobingabout> I have MSVC++ Enterprise 2008 08:55:35 <bobingabout> I just looked up a tutorial, and instead of printf(""); etc it was using cout << ""; 08:55:39 <bobingabout> i was like... huh? 08:55:53 <peter1138> printf is c 08:55:55 <peter1138> cout is c++ 08:55:58 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecd88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:56:03 <bobingabout> maybe i should be using C then 08:56:09 <peter1138> printf will work in c++, mind you 08:56:46 <bobingabout> so a C++ compiler will have no problem compiling a C program? 08:57:49 <bobingabout> I sound like an idiot don't I? X.X 08:58:50 <peter1138> no, just unknowledgable 08:59:12 <bobingabout> should i start with some specific questions that are bothing me? 08:59:23 <peter1138> probably :) 09:00:47 <bobingabout> okay, firstly, this is my first "big" program i've ever written, so much so that i discovered that there is a 65536 instruction limit to 16bit, i should've guessed this anyway 09:01:14 <bobingabout> this 65536 limit being one of the reasons why i need to move to something better 09:01:33 <bobingabout> anyway, as such, it is the first program i've written that is multi-file 09:02:54 <bobingabout> what goes where is my biggest question. obviously i should make a file that says somthing like "Map.cpp" and anything to do with the map goes in there, but what i need is help with how to do it properly 09:03:18 <bobingabout> currently, i just have map.c for example, then #include map.c in my main program file 09:03:52 <bobingabout> is there a better way to do this? 09:04:07 <bobingabout> i mean, i have to have all my includes in a specific order so not to break anything 09:05:27 <bobingabout> yes, there is a project file that includes multiple files, to actually make it work how it is now i basicly had to tell the project to only compile the main file 09:06:41 <bobingabout> the thing with guides is, you can't ask questions <.> 09:08:04 <bobingabout> i read a guide that says i should put certain parts in a .h file, however, i just can't get that to work for me, i'm probably doing it wrong, so... how would you do it? 09:13:10 *** ar3k [~ident@ecd88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13:34 *** ar3k [~ident@ecd88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 09:13:38 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 09:14:02 <bobingabout> anyone? 09:16:24 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 09:18:15 <bobingabout> is it perhaps too early in the morning? i could come back later 09:18:57 <Ammler> or try #c++ 09:19:27 <bobingabout> or someone point me in the right direction X) thanks 09:21:14 <bobingabout> there's like... 1 person in there! 09:22:26 <bobingabout> i'll try later, thanks anyway 09:22:53 <bobingabout> Atleast i have another question to ask... C or C++ 09:23:18 <bobingabout> bye 09:23:53 *** bobingabout [5c29c7fe@ircip4.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 09:29:30 *** DDR [~DDR@d99-199-10-67.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: In democracy it's your vote that counts; In feudalism it's your count that votes. - Mogens Jallberg] 09:29:46 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 09:31:59 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecd88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:32:17 *** ar3k [~ident@ecd88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 09:32:19 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 09:39:14 <Eddi|zuHause> might have told him that #c++ is probably on freenode :p 09:39:54 <Noldo_> IRCnet has one too 09:40:12 *** ar3k [~ident@ecd88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 09:45:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host230-208-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:46:05 <Wolf01> morning 09:46:39 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecd88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:47:00 <Eddi|zuHause> #c++ on quakenet might be fun :p 09:48:38 <Noldo_> sure thing 09:55:28 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p54959AFA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:56:58 <peter1138> i think they'd find his questions a bit... well, "read your book" type... 10:00:44 *** ar3k [~ident@ecd88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01:04 *** ar3k [~ident@ecd88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:01:06 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 10:09:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i never found "read a book" get me anywhere... 10:09:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i need to watch someone do it and then i can recreate the steps easily 10:11:46 <Eddi|zuHause> back to topic: i never get to transport town goods like mail or food, just because passengers already overcrowd any town network... 10:14:42 *** ar3k [~ident@ecd88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:20:12 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecd88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:21:28 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 10:28:17 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:35:24 <planetmaker> good day 10:44:37 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, maybe you need to be using 3 tile long trains... :S 10:53:22 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Loisachkirchen%20Transport,%2025.%20Jul%201988.png 10:54:08 <peter1138> snakes on a rail 10:54:34 <peter1138> damn it 10:54:36 <peter1138> i tried to scroll it :( 10:55:07 <Eddi|zuHause> hehe :p 10:57:16 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:02:39 <__ln__> http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/16/us-france-brazil-crash-idUSTRE74F1WK20110516 11:06:40 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 11:07:08 <Eddi|zuHause> didn't they already announce that a few weeks ago? 11:07:37 <Eddi|zuHause> or is that a follow-up 11:09:16 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@92.9.239.180] has joined #openttd 11:09:23 <__ln__> a few weeks ago the recorders were retrieved from water, but it was unknown if their data was readable 11:35:34 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Loisachkirchen%20Transport,%205.%20Nov%201988.png <-- giant screenshot (12MB) 11:52:37 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecd88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 11:54:54 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 11:55:31 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:57:18 *** ar3k [~ident@ecd88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:03:48 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2532:2fbd:9814:668a] has joined #openttd 12:03:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:04:18 <Eddi|zuHause> so... small-village-next-to-big-city is refusing airport... :( 12:06:20 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p54959AFA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:09:16 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecd88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:09:32 *** ar3k [~ident@ecd88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 12:09:35 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 12:14:56 <planetmaker> it's realistic! 12:20:18 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-17-37.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:20 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:33:04 <Eddi|zuHause> the land info tool could display the allowed noise level here... 12:34:36 <planetmaker> a patch, a patch! 12:43:13 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@92.9.239.180] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:43:28 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@92.9.239.180] has joined #openttd 12:43:41 <planetmaker> heffer, you're responsible for the Debian port, are you? 12:44:02 <planetmaker> I'm thinking of adding gimp to the build requirements to the base set. 12:44:17 <planetmaker> auto-generating the pngs from the layered sources 12:44:51 <planetmaker> The question is: mandatory requirement or optional one (i.e. like one can re-build the openttd.grf for OpenTTD itself, but one needs not that capability) 12:45:09 <Noldo_> have you checked if something like imagemagick could do it? 12:46:07 <Noldo_> is it something like this that is needed? http://www.imagemagick.org/script/composite.php?ImageMagick=odgobg7bmodhklc4fap6pgcqe3 12:46:13 <planetmaker> I've no idea how to extract a group of layers from both xcf and psd images with image magic 12:48:46 <planetmaker> Noldo_, I experimented with imagemagick a bit... telling it to keep or convert palettes correctly is and was rather a big pain 12:48:59 <Noldo_> ok 12:49:48 <planetmaker> and gimp also has a batch mode, so it's not like you need its gui front-end ;-) 12:49:56 <Noldo_> yeah 12:50:28 <planetmaker> gimp -i -b - < gimpscript2 12:50:28 <planetmaker> ^^ all I need ;-) 12:50:48 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/gimpscript2 <-- and that ;-) 12:52:18 <Noldo_> the syntaxt on that language reminds me of lisp 12:52:21 <planetmaker> thus it has the big advantage of "works already" - and would in principle also allow to do much more advanced scripting than just saving a few layers 12:52:29 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: heffer is the redhat/fedora guy, isn't he? 12:52:34 <planetmaker> the gimp script language is derived from lisp, yes 12:52:39 <Noldo_> well, or atleast the numver of parenthesis does 12:52:44 <planetmaker> ah, yes, might be Eddi|zuHause 12:52:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AF59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:54:00 <planetmaker> then I should also bother blathijs about what he thinks of adding gimp as a build requirement to the opengfx base package - and whether mandatory or optional 12:54:07 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 12:59:38 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@92.9.239.180] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:59:57 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@92.9.234.249] has joined #openttd 13:14:00 *** nestor [~nestor@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 13:14:07 *** nestor [~nestor@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #openttd [Saliendo] 13:15:40 <Belugas> hello 13:15:48 <Noldo_> o/ 13:16:16 <Belugas> strange to say, but... feels good to be back to work... 13:16:39 <Belugas> no more physical work for the next 5 days 13:18:07 <Noldo_> what kind of physical work did you have to do then? 13:18:43 <Belugas> rebuilding the basement, at home 13:19:09 <Belugas> plus gardening, under wife's directives, of course :) 13:19:15 <Noldo_> naturally 13:19:44 <Noldo_> the "projects" seem to pile up when ever you are off from work, don't they? 13:20:11 <Belugas> Well.. the basement reconstruction started back in december 13:20:21 <Belugas> so it's just yet another step 13:20:50 <Belugas> and it's gettnig near the end. i hope all will be finished for july 13:25:28 <planetmaker> salut Belugas 13:25:47 <peter1138> mais oui 13:26:58 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@92.9.234.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:41 *** TWerkhoven [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:27:49 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@92.8.65.148] has joined #openttd 13:30:33 <Belugas> salut planetmaker :) et a toi aussi, peter1138 13:33:49 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3336.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:36:16 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4FBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:01:28 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a bug with airplanes 14:01:56 <Eddi|zuHause> when an airplane is in a waiting pattern, it reduces speed, but when you skip orders at that point, it doesn't pick up speed anymore 14:06:34 <Chris_Booth> planetmaker what about win or osx planetmaker? 14:06:49 <Chris_Booth> would then need gimp to build opentgfx? 14:10:36 <Terkhen> I guess so 14:13:33 <dihedral> hello 14:13:41 <planetmaker> Chris_Booth, you can take one guess on which systems gimp is available 14:14:21 <Chris_Booth> I know gimp planetmaker 14:14:29 <planetmaker> well, where do you see the issue then? 14:15:28 <dihedral> uh uh uh - pick me, pick me, i know i know .... 14:15:29 <dihedral> :-P 14:15:46 <planetmaker> :-) 14:16:10 * planetmaker suspects layer 8 :-P 14:17:08 <planetmaker> Chris_Booth, fyi: I developed that script on osx 14:17:43 <Chris_Booth> i know gimp planetmaker but why should to have to download gimp to build opengfx? 14:18:02 <planetmaker> because otherwise you don't have means to generate the pngs? 14:18:22 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.116.139] has joined #openttd 14:18:26 <planetmaker> why would it need gcc? right. Because you otherwise don't have means to generate the nfos 14:19:18 <dihedral> * planetmaker suspects layer 8 :-P <- hehe 14:19:23 <Terkhen> it also needs bash and Make 14:20:19 <peter1138> crap, i forgot to disable AIs :S 14:20:27 <peter1138> how can i remove an AI company? 14:20:29 <planetmaker> peter1138, stop_ai is your friend 14:20:53 <peter1138> great 14:21:22 <peter1138> couple of stray roads left but no major damage yet 14:21:29 <Chris_Booth> I just don't like gimp, so my view is bias planetmaker 14:21:51 <planetmaker> Chris_Booth, you don't have to use it. You just need to have it 14:22:32 <planetmaker> it is convenient as it has powerful scripting language for graphics processing 14:22:38 <planetmaker> +a 14:22:45 <Chris_Booth> and its free 14:23:04 <planetmaker> it does NOT mean you have to use it to create graphics 14:23:32 <planetmaker> But it means that I'll from now on will prefer layered photoshop or gimp files as source ;-) 14:23:55 <planetmaker> for where it makes sense 14:27:47 <planetmaker> it 'simply' is means to save much repetitive work, like creating graphics for different ground tiles. Or generating a snowy and non-snowy version of trees, ... 14:29:23 <Chris_Booth> thats a realy good idea 14:29:23 <Terkhen> or about 80 truck sprites 14:29:33 <Chris_Booth> same with train wagons 14:29:37 *** ndujoe1 [~chatzilla@adsl-75-21-145-202.dsl.rcfril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 14:29:45 <Chris_Booth> or liveries 14:29:59 <Chris_Booth> sort all livers for a train in 1 png 14:30:15 <ndujoe1> just found this game the net, enjoy it much 14:31:01 <Terkhen> hi ndujoe1 14:31:28 <ndujoe1> will take me awhile to get up to speed, but intriguing scenarios and simulations. 14:32:11 <ndujoe1> i use it from the Puppylinux distribution 14:33:00 <Terkhen> which version of OpenTTD does it have? 14:33:32 <ndujoe1> hold on I will look at the number brb 14:34:01 <Terkhen> don't worry it is just curiosity :) 14:35:03 <ndujoe1> it says 22274 i686 14:35:24 <peter1138> hmm, yacd's tendancy to send freight across the map instead of locally is annoying 14:37:05 <ndujoe1> must be a complex code to manage all of the interfaces and interactions, written in C++ I presume? 14:37:25 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37:39 <Terkhen> peter1138: I tried yacd with cargo twice and failed... I'm thinking on enabling it only for passengers, mail, goods and foods next time 14:37:42 <Terkhen> ndujoe1: C++, yes 14:38:30 <ndujoe1> it is similar to LInCity NG I thought 14:38:47 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-60-178.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 14:42:55 <michi_cc> peter1138: What's local to you? 14:44:12 *** ndujoe1 [~chatzilla@adsl-75-21-145-202.dsl.rcfril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0.1/20110413222027]] 14:44:33 <michi_cc> peter1138: economy.cargodest.ind_" target="_blank">economy.cargodest.ind_nearby_dist in tiles^2 (and scaled by 1D map size) controls what is still nearby. And if you change economy.cargodest.ind_" target="_blank">economy.cargodest.ind_chances to "100,100,100" (no possible via the in-game console though), only local destinations will be used if possible. 14:50:34 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 14:53:36 <peter1138> well, local as in "industries that are closer than the industries that yacd has chosen" 14:54:45 <peter1138> like 60 tiles away instead of 360... 15:02:13 *** zachanim1 [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:04:31 *** ndujoe1 [~chatzilla@adsl-75-21-145-202.dsl.rcfril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 15:05:20 <ndujoe1> question: is there a generalized multiplayer set whereby one can watch game play to see how it is done without bothering the players online? 15:05:27 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 15:06:05 <TWerkhoven> join as a spectator i would say 15:06:18 <Chris_Booth> ndujoe1 yes join as spectator 15:07:42 <ndujoe1> in multiplay games do you usually work as a team in a company or individually just wondering? 15:08:12 <Terkhen> depends, some servers are competitive, others cooperative 15:08:42 <ndujoe1> ic I will learn as a go along :) thanks. 15:10:46 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-024-038.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:11:47 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 15:12:04 <planetmaker> yep, joining as spectator is the usual thing 15:12:23 <planetmaker> on the other hand: if you join a MP server, you can just as well found a company and try yourself usually 15:12:42 <planetmaker> except there where cooperative play is asked for ;-) 15:13:13 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:14:30 <Chris_Booth> planetmaker is there a way to map map edge bigger, like 50 tiles for example? 15:14:47 <Chris_Booth> so I could effectivly make a 400^2 map from a 512^2? 15:15:03 <planetmaker> not that I know. 15:15:04 <Yexo> not without changing the source code 15:16:28 <Rubidium> voiding the lot probably does the trick 15:22:36 *** ndujoe1 [~chatzilla@adsl-75-21-145-202.dsl.rcfril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0.1/20110413222027]] 15:25:14 <Eddi|zuHause> shouldn't a hacked scenario suffice? 15:25:25 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-103-81.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:25:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:25:33 <Chris_Booth> Eddi|zuHause how would I hack one? 15:25:52 <Eddi|zuHause> decompress and use hex editor? :p 15:26:06 <Chris_Booth> I just want a 400^2 map to play in r22375 15:26:37 <Eddi|zuHause> you can produce uncompressed savegames by setting an option in the .cfg 15:27:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.166.60] has joined #openttd 15:28:21 <Chris_Booth> Eddi|zuHause would that be: savegame_format = ? 15:28:31 <Chris_Booth> set that to decmopress? 15:28:40 <Eddi|zuHause> "none" or somesuch 15:28:46 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has joined #openttd 15:29:28 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.74.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:14 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.74.245] has joined #openttd 15:31:34 <ChoHag> Why does the clients column in multiplayer have 2 sets of numbers? 15:32:48 <Yexo> their client-id and the company they're part of 15:32:58 <Yexo> try "help clients" int he console 15:33:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.164.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:33:09 <ChoHag> No, in the list of multiplayer servers. 15:33:50 <Yexo> first is current/maximum players, second set is current/maximum companies 15:34:06 <Yexo> should be two different columns 15:34:08 <ChoHag> Ah right. 15:38:18 <Chris_Booth> Eddi|zuHause if I use decompressed saves then use what to red the .sav file? 15:38:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i already said that 15:39:09 <Chris_Booth> hex editor 15:40:14 <Yexo> changing the code would be a lot easier 15:41:49 <Chris_Booth> hhm hex editor is just a huge amount of meaning less number now 15:43:16 <Terkhen> I don't think there is a way to hack the savegame to get map sizes that are not a power of two, IIRC the size is actually stored as the exponent 15:43:35 <Yexo> it is, but you could mark a lot of tiles as MP_VOID 15:43:44 <Yexo> which might or might not work correctly 15:44:11 <Chris_Booth> is there anyway I can just get water_borders = 16(which is max) to equal 50? 15:44:21 *** joe6 [~joe6@c-24-99-160-30.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:44:35 <Terkhen> that would be an easy code hack 15:44:36 <Yexo> what? you want 16 to equal 50? 15:44:48 <Terkhen> s/easy/easier/ 15:44:53 *** joe6 [~joe6@c-24-99-160-30.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 15:45:16 <Yexo> the game setting water_borders is a bitset of borders that are water 15:45:22 <Rubidium> isn't water_borders a bitset of the edges that have a watery border and which don't? 15:45:27 <Yexo> it has nothing to do with the amount of water around the map, so 50 wouldn't make sense at all 15:45:44 <Chris_Booth> yes 15:46:00 <Chris_Booth> aaah I thought it as was a tile count not a bitset 15:51:53 <Terkhen> there must be a constant for that somewhere in the code (maybe in map generation); you could increase it 15:55:02 <Chris_Booth> I give up on hex editor Eddi|zuHause its just a huge about of random data which I can't read 15:55:13 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:55:13 <Chris_Booth> its all seems to be either p or ` 15:59:44 *** Amis [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 15:59:44 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has joined #openttd 16:24:16 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 16:28:51 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.116.139] has joined #openttd 16:35:44 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.116.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:31 * peter1138 ponders running a YACD server 16:41:58 *** Lakie` is now known as Lakie 16:43:29 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0497ba.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:45:08 <ChoHag> My goods train are stuck in the station. 16:45:21 <ChoHag> Oh never mind. 16:45:24 <ChoHag> Told them to full load. 16:46:03 *** staN [~Miranda@p5B1775C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:46:28 <peter1138> okay, yacd_2.2 server :D 16:46:42 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:50:16 <Ammler> I don't think, yacd is playable for MP, coop only :-) 16:50:22 <Ammler> or it needs IS 16:50:42 <Ammler> (playable for multiple companies) 16:53:21 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4FBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 16:53:33 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:53:42 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0080a6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:54:05 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 16:55:48 <peter1138> well 16:56:04 <peter1138> lack of IS doesn't mean it's not playable 16:56:06 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has joined #openttd 16:56:17 <Ammler> of course not 16:56:40 <Ammler> just my personal opinion 16:57:05 <Chris_Booth> it may make an interesting game 16:57:20 <Chris_Booth> you would get real industry comeptition 16:57:25 <Ammler> well, there are severs up, try it :-P 16:57:48 <Chris_Booth> Ammler I can't play 4 openttd games at once 16:57:56 <Ammler> yacd is completely MP stable 16:58:06 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B106B53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:59:07 <Chris_Booth> would YACD work is IS2? if I where to merge then? 16:59:16 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:59:48 <peter1138> i doubt it would be a simple merge, but theoretically there's no problem 16:59:53 <peter1138> other than the payment rates issue... 17:00:14 <Ammler> no need, first yacd then think about next step :-P 17:08:31 <peter1138> eh? 17:09:14 <peter1138> woo, making money 17:14:57 <peter1138> not much, mind you 17:18:15 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4FBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:16 <peter1138> oh 17:29:17 <peter1138> lol 17:29:23 <peter1138> didn't enable it in the options :p 17:29:34 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:15 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:35:45 *** ndh [~opera@dslb-088-074-031-073.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:38:17 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r22470 /trunk/src/lang/ (luxembourgish.txt romanian.txt): 17:45:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: luxembourgish - 8 changes by Phreeze 17:45:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: romanian - 2 changes by kkmic 17:53:33 <peter1138> oh god 17:53:38 <peter1138> horrible drawback of not using newgrfs 17:53:55 <peter1138> coal trains that go 80mph on the back of a passenger loco :S 18:02:55 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 18:03:35 *** HAL9001 is now known as Perihelion 18:04:48 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 18:12:22 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:12:44 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:30:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 18:31:18 *** TWerkhoven2 [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:32:20 *** TWerkhoven [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:03 <andythenorth> evaning 18:34:58 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 18:35:01 <Terkhen> hi 18:35:04 <planetmaker> hi andythenorth 18:35:28 <planetmaker> andythenorth, would it be usable to you to use psd files as source? 18:35:39 <andythenorth> for me, yes? 18:35:46 <andythenorth> for others....not sure 18:35:53 <planetmaker> even if it would mean to (also) install gimp? 18:37:02 <andythenorth> well I've been using psd as source since I started using a repo 18:37:11 <andythenorth> the alternatives are impractical for me 18:37:31 <planetmaker> I mean really as source as in the makefile converts it for you into the pngs, and you just define the layers which shall be used for that png 18:38:19 <andythenorth> that would be even better - I have contemplated scripting that in photoshop for FIRS before now 18:38:31 <planetmaker> I've scripted it for gimp. And it can read psd 18:38:34 <andythenorth> why the question? 18:39:10 <planetmaker> and we know how to teach the CF its use, too ;-) 18:39:42 <planetmaker> I'm now implementing it into the makefile(s), but that's working in a preliminary way already, too 18:40:51 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d82343b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:44:38 <andythenorth> planetmaker: do you coop guys base network design on methodologies, or do you do it by trial-and-error? 18:44:54 <planetmaker> in what context? 18:45:11 <planetmaker> when building rail tracks? 18:45:26 <andythenorth> yes. some of the tactics you use seem to be similar to lean practices 18:45:26 <planetmaker> It depends on the person probably who suggests the plan to follow for that game 18:45:28 <andythenorth> e.g. http://www.strategosinc.com/onepieceflow.htm 18:47:00 <planetmaker> well... one person working on one thing is the logical thing, isn't it? 18:47:18 <planetmaker> economics of course have to re-discover it and coin a nice buzz-word for it :-P 18:49:18 <planetmaker> but probably I didn't quite grasp that concept yet. So... what is it about - and why does coop seem to use it? 18:49:42 <andythenorth> I've seen some coop games with very short trains 18:49:56 <planetmaker> yes? 18:51:45 <andythenorth> basically that's using one-piece flow for delivery, rather than large batch delivery 18:52:15 <andythenorth> nvm if it's not obvious - just my day job intruding :) 18:52:17 <planetmaker> ah. Well. I guess it's a matter of what takes our fancy. Limited by map size and terrain 18:52:52 <planetmaker> Too long trains make for HUGE junctions etc without actually adding fun. And more trains are more fun, too 18:53:06 <peter1138> hmm, well 18:53:34 <peter1138> if you do the whole "realism" thing... ;) 18:53:42 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:53:55 <peter1138> then most junctions are at stations 18:54:04 <planetmaker> :-) 18:54:19 <peter1138> simple bit of pbs suffices :) 18:54:53 <planetmaker> then yes. And I sometimes do that in my own games. But on the coop maps... hardly :-) 18:58:34 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 18:59:39 *** sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:35 *** sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #openttd 19:09:53 *** sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:20:46 <SmatZ> @seen Zuu 19:20:46 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Zuu was last seen in #openttd 20 hours, 30 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <Zuu> and though you were refering to some post at the forums. 19:21:02 <Zuu> @seen Zuu 19:21:02 <DorpsGek> Zuu: Zuu was last seen in #openttd 20 hours, 30 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <Zuu> and though you were refering to some post at the forums. 19:21:07 <Zuu> Hello 19:21:08 <SmatZ> hello Zuu :-) 19:21:09 <Zuu> :-) 19:21:26 <SmatZ> I haven't seen you talking for long time, so I wondered if you are still here 19:21:40 <SmatZ> but I just missed your comments, it seems :) 19:22:18 <Zuu> I'm still here. I just havn't been here so much recently. 19:22:54 <SmatZ> same here, I am too busy & tired :( 19:23:03 <Zuu> Got to "play" with transportation models at work anyway :-) 19:23:10 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:23:10 <SmatZ> :-) 19:23:22 <SmatZ> that's nice 19:24:30 <Zuu> Last week I visited a traffic signal conference. That was fun. :-) 19:24:45 <heffer> planetmaker: just saw your highlight. i'd be perfectly fine adding gimp to the BuildRequires from a Fedora standpoint ;) but i think we should test this first 19:24:55 <SmatZ> :-) 19:25:13 *** NOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:26:16 <planetmaker> heffer, good to know :-) 19:26:48 <Rubidium> I guess the main question is whether GIMP works without X 19:26:55 <planetmaker> we (Ammler) ran this afternoon a test with the opensuse build services - which showed that it works fine 19:27:16 <heffer> okay. then our koji builder should be fine too 19:27:58 <heffer> what about checksums? i believe they might be different for each distro then, depending on which signatures gimp places into the files 19:28:24 <planetmaker> good question. I did not yet investigate that 19:28:26 <Rubidium> the final pixels ought to be the same 19:28:27 <ChoHag> I think I know why passengers in YACD keep losing me money. 19:28:37 * Zuu wonders why he don't find a wordpress plugin to fix the rss-feed space problem using a filter function. 19:28:38 <Rubidium> and those are what's use, right? 19:28:45 <planetmaker> also true :-) 19:29:04 <planetmaker> different png headers wouldn't matter indeed 19:30:05 *** sigue [contempt@stole.ur.cc-number.info] has joined #openttd 19:30:17 <heffer> yes but there's nothing that would choke on different checksums? 19:30:26 <heffer> if so, that'd be fine then :D 19:30:36 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:54 <planetmaker> there should not be, unless the indexed palette would get screwed. Which would be a reason to drop it 19:31:14 *** garlet [44ed1aae@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:31:20 <garlet> hello 19:31:55 <planetmaker> hi 19:31:56 <garlet> anyone on 19:31:58 <garlet> : D 19:32:02 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:10 <garlet> this is the irc for openttd right ? 19:32:28 <planetmaker> according to the name one might suspect so, yes 19:33:02 <garlet> xD is there any virus in it ? 19:33:32 <planetmaker> yep. A quite viral virus 19:33:44 <garlet> seriously!!! 19:34:12 <planetmaker> Also known as "playing fun" ;-) 19:34:23 <garlet> oooo \ 19:34:37 <garlet> : o ty but i am serious 19:35:01 <planetmaker> what answer do you expect? 19:35:06 <garlet> after downloading it the next time i downloaded i got the black screen with movable cursor on my laptop... 19:35:10 <heffer> garlet: no. no viruses in the official version from openttd.org 19:35:14 <garlet> D": so yeah i am worried 19:35:41 *** TWerkhoven2 is now known as TWerkhoven 19:36:03 <garlet> can anyonehelp me with that D": 19:36:33 <planetmaker> not yet. We know neither version, nor OS, nor... anything else 19:36:59 <planetmaker> nor what constitutes "the next time I downloaded" 19:37:23 <planetmaker> if the next time you used download was from a dubious porn site, I'd worry about that more ;-) 19:37:43 <garlet> lolz nah i don;t download porn xD 19:38:20 <heffer> that's very comforting to know 19:38:21 <heffer> :P 19:38:27 <garlet> but seriously can anyone help me D": or no where i can get help 19:39:14 <planetmaker> then help us and answer my questions 19:39:17 <heffer> garlet: i assume it's not a virus but that there is something wrong with your setup 19:39:18 <SmatZ> I don't download porn either, I just watch it online :p 19:39:27 <planetmaker> :-P 19:39:31 <heffer> but based on your information an assumption is all you can expect 19:39:33 <Rubidium> if there were a virus in OpenTTD, it must be an ancient one and it must have been in there for almost three years. You being the first to notice is extremely unlikely 19:40:15 <SpComb> you don't dump malicious payloads into SVN 19:40:21 <planetmaker> andythenorth, http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/firs_gimp2png.diff <-- adopted for FIRS. 19:40:29 <garlet> o,,o 19:40:29 <SmatZ> garlet: 1) open window 2) take your notebook and throw it outside 19:40:43 <SmatZ> note that skipping step 1 will result in glass everywhere and broken window 19:40:47 <garlet> D": seriously i got important things there 19:40:52 <Rubidium> as such, it being in the binaries from the official site (I'm assuming you checked the checksums) is significantly less likely than a virus scanner that is incorrectly marking OpenTTD as having a virus 19:41:01 <planetmaker> that makes you value backups more then :-) 19:41:29 <garlet> my backups failed 19:41:30 <Rubidium> ofcourse, if you like many others, downloaded OpenTTD from a torrent site or something all bets are off 19:41:41 <garlet> i downloaded from main site 19:42:11 <ChoHag> Is michi_cc often around? 19:42:20 <SmatZ> "black screen with a cursor" is hardly a sign of nowadays' virus 19:42:20 <planetmaker> so... still the question is on: what version and OS do you use? 19:42:28 <SmatZ> rather broken video driver 19:42:31 <garlet> i use w7 19:42:48 *** Amis [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:51 <planetmaker> do you use a screen background changer or alike? 19:43:01 <planetmaker> they're known to cause interferences 19:43:01 <garlet> huh 19:43:19 <garlet> u mean my background changes after a while? 19:43:23 <planetmaker> yes 19:43:31 <garlet> YES : O 19:43:32 <ChoHag> SmatZ: If you've ever fixed a computer for a person over the age of 40, you'll know that not quite working right, for any value of right, equals virus. 19:43:59 <ChoHag> Every time somebody I do computer work for phones me up with a problem, they think it's a virus. 19:44:04 <garlet> peacemaker plz keep going 19:44:07 <planetmaker> it's usually their fault, if things go wrong. As they hack the graphics card and don't let other programmes use it normally, especially in full screen. 19:44:38 <garlet> but this came with compt... 19:44:46 <planetmaker> so try to disable that and try openttd again. 19:44:47 <SmatZ> ChoHag: actually, most of times I "fixed" someone's computer, it was full of virii :) I was wondering how they could work with that :) 19:44:58 <garlet> i can;t get to it =--= 19:45:11 <garlet> black screen with moveable mouse after start up 19:45:14 <ChoHag> True, but rarely is it the viruses causing whatever they're actually suffering from. 19:45:31 <SmatZ> true :) 19:45:42 <garlet> fml 19:45:51 <garlet> does anyone no any good tech support sites 19:46:19 <ChoHag> That is invariably just a simple I D TEN T issue. 19:46:27 <ChoHag> garlet: I hear www.google.com is good. 19:46:35 <garlet> ... 19:46:36 <ChoHag> Never used it myself. 19:46:43 <SmatZ> :P 19:46:58 <SmatZ> garlet: I have only one idea, try locating your openttd.cfg 19:47:12 <SmatZ> and set 19:47:13 <SmatZ> fullscreen = false 19:47:29 <ChoHag> Doesn't alt-enter work? 19:47:34 <garlet> no... 19:47:45 <SmatZ> blitter = 32bpp-optimized 19:47:51 <garlet> how i do that smatz 19:48:01 <SmatZ> win+s maybe opens a search window 19:48:17 <garlet> command prompt? 19:48:21 <SmatZ> no 19:48:25 <SmatZ> that window with a dog 19:48:34 <SmatZ> at least, it was a window with a dog in winXP 19:48:38 <garlet> wha dog? 19:48:44 <ChoHag> Dogs fetch things. 19:49:11 <SmatZ> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Find-a-file-or-folder 19:49:26 <SmatZ> search for openttd.cfg 19:49:32 <SmatZ> and open it in notepad 19:49:47 <garlet> dude i can;t 19:50:23 <garlet> when starting up my compt my is goes to black screen with a mouse and that it 19:50:29 <garlet> even in safe mode 19:50:49 <SmatZ> so you are using different computer now, right? 19:50:55 <SmatZ> your computer is likely broken 19:50:58 <garlet> yeah 19:51:05 <SmatZ> and it has nothing to do with openttd 19:51:05 <garlet> =\ 19:51:06 <ChoHag> Yeah sounds broken. 19:51:09 <ChoHag> Reinstall windows. 19:51:10 <SmatZ> hehe 19:51:17 <garlet> how reinstall 19:51:28 <SmatZ> garlet: 1) open window 2) take your notebook and throw it outside 19:51:31 <SmatZ> 3) buy new computer 19:51:47 <ChoHag> Find your local geek or geek shop, hand over cash or cake, wait. 19:52:06 <garlet> =\ 19:52:13 <ChoHag> If the cake is good, they'll even keep your old data safe. 19:52:14 <SmatZ> you should indeed be able to find someone to do that for you 19:52:21 <SmatZ> hehe :) 19:52:24 <andythenorth> get a mac 19:52:30 <andythenorth> known to be virus free 19:52:32 <garlet> mac sux for gaming 19:52:32 <andythenorth> yeah, right 19:52:34 <Terkhen> cake is great 19:52:38 <SmatZ> :) 19:52:40 <garlet> mac no virus free 19:52:44 <ChoHag> s/for gaming// 19:52:45 <SmatZ> mmm reminds me of Portal 2 19:52:48 * andythenorth invokes mac version of godwin's law and runs away 19:52:52 <SmatZ> hehe 19:52:52 <garlet> noone wants to hack it 2 much work for nothing 19:52:53 <Terkhen> most of the games I play have a mac version already 19:53:16 <Terkhen> I don't know how good their performance is compared to windows, though 19:53:28 <andythenorth> there is an easy non-virus way to DoS mac users 19:53:44 <ChoHag> Yeah. 19:53:45 <andythenorth> post on mac sites that 'sudo rm -r *' makes safari run faster 19:53:45 <ChoHag> Boot. 19:53:51 <Terkhen> what, starting a flame about the latest iProduct? 19:54:06 <andythenorth> ho 19:54:07 <andythenorth> good point 19:54:13 <Terkhen> :D 19:54:16 * andythenorth has a beer 19:54:21 * SmatZ has too 19:54:33 <Chris_Booth> beer 19:54:38 <SmatZ> :) 19:54:42 <Terkhen> thanks, my chocolate now sucks in comparison 19:54:46 <SmatZ> :D 19:54:48 <Chris_Booth> lol beer watch is so much fun 19:55:10 * andythenorth takes beer from SmatZ and hands him a Chris_Booth instead 19:55:32 <Chris_Booth> that was so not worth the IRC ping :'( 19:55:32 * SmatZ takes another one 19:55:35 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has joined #openttd 19:56:23 <Chris_Booth> get him self a warm pint of guniess 19:57:54 <ChoHag> Does anyone know much about the yacd source? 19:58:09 <Terkhen> michi_cc might have a clue or two 19:58:15 <SmatZ> hehe :) 19:58:19 <ChoHag> Yeah but he doesn't seem to be around. 19:58:40 <Terkhen> now that he has been highlighted he will answer when he's here :) 19:59:00 <ChoHag> I tried that earlier and he hasn't popped up. 19:59:04 <ChoHag> I have bugs to fix dammit! 19:59:06 <garlet> brb 20:00:25 <SmatZ> ChoHag: maybe you can open a bugreport 20:00:39 <ChoHag> I couldn't find anywhere to do that. 20:00:40 <michi_cc> ChoHag: How about you ask a real question I can answer? :) 20:00:49 <ChoHag> OK. 20:00:56 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:01 <ChoHag> How can I stop cargo trying to route back to its originating station? 20:02:02 <ChoHag> See my two posts on the yacd 2.2 thread by way of example. 20:02:28 <andythenorth> ChoHag: it shouldn't be doing that :) 20:02:34 <ChoHag> No indeed. 20:02:43 <michi_cc> By lowering the compile-time constant CYapfCostRouteLinkT::LOCAL_PENALTY_FACTOR or by waiting on me for the next release. 20:03:20 <ChoHag> Will I have to wait long? I've got a good game going except for my passenger routes. 20:03:28 <ChoHag> :) 20:05:19 <michi_cc> No idea, depends on what else crops up. 20:05:58 <michi_cc> Do check first though if all settings are at the default values. 20:05:58 <ChoHag> Is my theory correct? People want to go from one house to another, both within the cachement area of the same station? 20:06:59 <ChoHag> I'm only able to go on how I think openttd (and yacd) might work as I've not really done much diving into the code yet at all. 20:08:00 <ChoHag> But with an idea to go on I will at least have an aim in mind in my poking around. 20:09:25 <michi_cc> The source and destination tile can be inside the catchment of the same station, but travel back to the same station is strongly discouraged. You might have hit an edge case that requires some tuning of the settings or you simply didn't change some setting when the default changed. 20:10:04 <ChoHag> 2.2 is the only yacd I've played. 20:10:21 <ChoHag> I did play other cargodists though. 20:10:42 *** welterde [welterde@thinkbase.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5-dev] 20:10:46 <michi_cc> That is pf.yapf.route_* (which should not have been used anywhere outside YACD) 20:12:54 <ChoHag> Is this defaults? http://pastebin.com/AkE7DWy7 20:14:12 <ChoHag> Also, doesn't it make sense to not allow source and destination to be inside the same station's area? 20:15:11 <ChoHag> Unless they have other, closer stations (eg. I have 3 or 4 bus stops within walking distance of my house) 20:18:38 <peter1138> catchments can overlap 20:20:02 <michi_cc> The settings look alright (assuming that's what the save game actually uses). 20:28:56 <andythenorth> whoever changed the train length display in depot view made the right call :) 20:30:56 <planetmaker> that's old news, but it was our green leaf frog 20:31:15 <planetmaker> ;-) 20:31:18 <andythenorth> thought I'd mention it ;) 20:31:31 <andythenorth> the default train length I am less enamoured with 20:31:38 <andythenorth> :P 20:33:07 <Terkhen> :) 20:35:26 <garlet> o,,o 20:35:33 <garlet> bk 20:36:39 <andythenorth> michi_cc: bug reports for 1.3 are no longer valid? 20:44:38 *** staN [~Miranda@p5B1775C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 20:46:00 <garlet> .... 20:46:27 <ChoHag> My wife is playing. 20:46:34 <garlet> kool 20:46:37 <ChoHag> I don't know whether to be impressed or worried. 20:46:44 <garlet> both! 20:47:57 <__ln__> ChoHag: voluntarely? 20:47:59 <garlet> hows she doing 20:48:07 <ChoHag> Sort of. 20:48:35 <ChoHag> She said yesterday that she was bored and I suggested she could play that. 20:48:44 <ChoHag> I didn't think she'd say yes. 20:49:37 <__ln__> there aren't many documented cases of voluntary female players 20:50:03 <garlet> .... 20:50:07 <garlet> i got 2 20:50:08 <garlet> xD 20:51:50 <andythenorth> hmm 20:52:06 <andythenorth> CHIPS cargo looks same as cargo at some FIRS industries 20:52:09 <andythenorth> this may not be wise 20:54:55 <garlet> .... 20:55:05 <garlet> I WANA PLAY SOOOO BAD!!! 20:56:04 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d82343b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 20:56:39 <garlet> hey 20:56:53 <garlet> anyone willing to give tips on the game 20:58:31 <Belugas> i don't even give a tip to the barman... 20:58:56 <Belugas> time to go home, night! 20:59:04 <ChoHag> Why can't you play it on whichever computer you're chatting? 20:59:16 <garlet> .... 20:59:28 <garlet> this one has other things wrong with it 20:59:44 <Belugas> ho... another free tip, garlet: the wiki is far more verbose than the guys in this channel :) 20:59:57 <garlet> : O 20:59:58 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:00:02 * Belugas is now gone 21:00:23 *** welterde [welterde@thinkbase.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 21:05:05 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-024-038.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 21:05:54 <planetmaker> [22:52] andythenorth CHIPS cargo looks same as cargo at some FIRS industries <-- why not? 21:06:01 <planetmaker> it may even make sense 21:06:32 <andythenorth> confuses me 21:06:49 <andythenorth> I don't know whether cargo is waiting or not 21:06:53 <andythenorth> looks nice though :P 21:07:06 <planetmaker> ^ I'd consider it 'feature', not 'bug' 21:07:24 <planetmaker> 'looks nice' is a good enough reason to keep it ;-) 21:08:29 <andythenorth> as I have no better idea, it can stay ;) 21:08:55 <planetmaker> one idea might be 'not the same' but 'same style'. Like piles differently arranged or so 21:09:13 <planetmaker> then it is (somewhat) clear that it's not the industry, but it fits the same way nevertheless 21:09:47 * planetmaker wonders about (gimp-2.6:14693): Gimp-Core-CRITICAL **: gimp_image_opened: assertion `GIMP_IS_GIMP (gimp)' failed 21:10:05 <ChoHag> Your gimp escaped. 21:10:23 <planetmaker> :-) it works as it should. But complains 21:10:25 <frosch123> we should also add such an error to ottd 21:10:39 <planetmaker> :-) 21:11:43 <Eddi|zuHause> hmm... i'm lacking the ability to filter vehicle lists by cargo type... 21:11:44 <Terkhen> wow :D 21:11:50 <Eddi|zuHause> similar to the buy menu 21:12:39 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I just had exactly the same request :P 21:13:05 <andythenorth> order by cargo capacity is fairly useless 21:13:18 <Eddi|zuHause> yep, they all have the same :p 21:13:28 <frosch123> night 21:13:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0080a6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:33 <planetmaker> not quite, at least in buy menu 21:13:37 <planetmaker> buy frosch... 21:13:37 <Zuu> Apart from being slow or getting GTK-problems, I never had any serious problems with GIMP. 21:13:42 <planetmaker> or bye ;-) 21:13:56 <planetmaker> damn similar words :S 21:14:03 <Zuu> Oh, and the tablet problems.. 21:14:20 <planetmaker> Zuu: it's not a problem. It's just a funky message... 21:14:32 <planetmaker> without apparent consequence. That's the odd thing 21:14:42 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:02 <Zuu> Interesting assertion by the way :-) 21:15:05 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 21:15:36 <planetmaker> yep ;-) 21:24:07 * andythenorth needs to stop playing YACD and ...go to sleep 21:24:43 <ChoHag> andythenorth: Can you see if your yacd games have the same passenger routing problems mine do? 21:24:50 <Eddi|zuHause> "ships getting old" is a weird concept... 21:25:00 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: why? 21:25:08 <ChoHag> Ships exist outside time? 21:25:31 <andythenorth> ChoHag: my yacd game is 1.3 and tracking where PAX go would be way to hard 21:25:38 <ChoHag> 1.3? 21:25:42 <ChoHag> Upgrade already! 21:25:51 <Eddi|zuHause> my impression is that ships should have very long lifespans compared to trains or aircraft 21:26:12 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: FISH ones are quite long 21:26:25 <Terkhen> wasn't the last version 2.something? 21:26:36 <andythenorth> my savegame is too nice 21:27:20 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: yes, but i constantly get spammed with "ship is really old" messages after 50 years... 21:27:32 <Eddi|zuHause> and i can't bother to replace them :p 21:27:40 <andythenorth> turn off the message 21:27:44 <andythenorth> turn on autoreplace 21:27:47 <andythenorth> patch the grf 21:27:55 <andythenorth> ?? :) 21:29:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i patched too many grfs already ;) 21:31:19 <Eddi|zuHause> "track planning" is useless. 21:31:36 *** Twerkhoven[L] [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:35:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:36:03 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:41:21 <garlet> ... 21:44:03 <Terkhen> good night 21:44:06 <planetmaker> garlet: we cannot fix your computer(s), if you can't even start your OS. And speechless dots... won't help there either ;-) 21:44:08 <planetmaker> good night Terkhen 21:52:05 <garlet> ... 21:52:15 <garlet> i was bored... 21:52:42 <planetmaker> a good reason to spam this channel with nonsense? 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