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00:00:04 <leanden> and that seemed the best place to start :P 00:01:07 <Eddi|zuHause> not everything that is klickibunti is actually easy to learn 00:01:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i suggest to use nml instead 00:01:20 <leanden> never said itd be easy 00:01:32 <leanden> but the only way to get the stuff implemented is to do it myself 00:01:38 <leanden> which means i need to learn :) 00:03:08 <leanden> im downloading the NML binary now 00:03:35 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@host-92-8-65-148.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 00:04:49 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:07:33 *** leanden [~leanden@78.149.75.96] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:49 <Wolf01> 'night 00:07:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host230-208-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:08:02 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 00:08:05 *** leanden [~leanden@78.149.75.96] has joined #openttd 00:08:10 <leanden> i got disconnected >.> 00:10:24 *** JVassie_ [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16:17 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.153.211.44] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 00:26:35 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:27:03 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:28:23 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:31:31 *** leanden [~leanden@78.149.75.96] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 00:35:51 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 01:04:22 *** Perihelion [~zomg@paravirt.com] has left #openttd [] 01:18:30 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:20:30 *** wollollo [~martin@client-86-25-197-141.cht-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:01:46 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:28a8:90a7:22e:546e] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:03:59 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:26:19 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-202-018.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:30:53 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-203-243.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73A6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B763AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:18:04 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 05:20:47 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 05:46:40 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-202-018.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:47:37 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 05:47:58 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B1060A8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:58:14 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 06:00:54 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [] 06:08:23 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0497ba.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:17:30 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:21:05 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 06:33:21 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:33:26 *** anujmore [~atm@triband-mum-59.182.31.170.mtnl.net.in] has joined #openttd 06:33:56 <anujmore> Guys, can trains in OpenTTD follow a circular path? (A way that they never collide) 06:37:14 <planetmaker> moin 06:37:48 <planetmaker> anujmore: I'm not sure what you mean... but just try? 06:38:17 <planetmaker> did you, btw, see a train collide, if you did not press 'ignore signal'? 06:39:24 <anujmore> planetmaker: Yes. The trains would never collide if they are following a circle path (No terminal point) 06:40:41 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 06:42:34 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:48:24 *** Amis [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 06:48:52 <planetmaker> so... what's the issue / question? 06:49:37 <anujmore> I can't get trains running in a loop. I start mapping the path with every station specified, and return to the station I started with. 06:50:11 <anujmore> Still, only one train runs on the track. (Other cloned trains won't get out of the depot) 06:50:28 <planetmaker> oh, you didn't use any signals, did you? 06:50:35 <planetmaker> they're there for a reason 06:51:05 <anujmore> Damn. I read an article on the wiki that explained how multiple tracks can be used with signal 06:51:10 <anujmore> And I got intimidated by signals 06:51:16 <planetmaker> even one track... 06:51:44 <planetmaker> the wiki is a good starting point 06:51:59 <anujmore> http://wiki.openttd.org/Double-Tracks 06:52:00 <anujmore> This one. 06:52:30 <planetmaker> Well. start with the basics. Also you talked about a circle. No need for double tracks. 06:52:55 <anujmore> planetmaker: Yes. I was showing you the article that scared me. 06:53:13 <planetmaker> ah, sorry 06:53:30 <anujmore> :) 06:53:33 <Zuu> Especially, don't try to make dual tracks that allows overtaking. That will give even an experienced player problems :-) 06:53:54 <planetmaker> maybe also read http://kokolokus.de/?s=blog&v=6 06:54:23 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-178-068.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:55:12 <anujmore> Zuu: That's too much for me. I am sure I wasn't even thinking of that 06:55:15 <anujmore> planetmaker: On it 06:56:37 <planetmaker> anujmore: playing on a MP server and looking how others solve it might be an easy path to successful building, too 06:57:35 <anujmore> Indeed. As of now I am reading the wiki and getting acquainted with the lesser known controls. 07:08:54 <Terkhen> good morning 07:09:18 <anujmore> Terkhen: Afternoon. :| 07:10:14 <planetmaker> moin Terkhen 07:12:01 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC400D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:13:05 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:19:07 *** kekyy [~stefan@p5098b65a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:19:51 <kekyy> exit 07:19:56 *** kekyy [~stefan@p5098b65a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [] 07:20:06 *** kekyy [~stefan@p5098b65a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:20:22 *** kekyy [~stefan@p5098b65a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [] 07:21:31 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:29:39 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 07:33:12 *** Strid_ [~Strid@c-578fe555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:14:29 *** Strid_ [~Strid@c-578fe555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 08:18:41 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:22:46 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 09:02:03 *** ChoHag_ [~mking@109-170-148-201.xdsl.murphx.net] has joined #openttd 09:04:02 *** ChoHag [~mking@109-170-148-201.xdsl.murphx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:10:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 09:12:03 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: Then as it was, then again it will be 09:12:03 <andythenorth> An' though the course may change sometimes 09:12:03 <andythenorth> Rivers always reach the sea 09:12:20 <andythenorth> http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/ten-years-gone-lyrics-led-zeppelin/4acb607eff104b62482568870004b3ee 09:13:35 <andythenorth> belugas might like that : 09:25:46 <dihedral> good morning 09:28:40 * planetmaker is sure that Belugas will like a good morning :-) 09:28:42 <planetmaker> hi dihedral 09:35:19 <andythenorth> is less more? 09:37:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:38:20 <Terkhen> depends on the context 09:49:03 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC400D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 09:50:03 <dihedral> hehe 09:59:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:00:05 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B73C2.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 10:01:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure "less presence of andythenorth" is not more ;) 10:01:49 <andythenorth> I am finding 'less station sets' is more 10:01:59 <andythenorth> and 'more RV sets' isn't adding much to my game :P 10:03:58 <planetmaker> hehe 10:09:04 <andythenorth> 'less map size' is also more 10:09:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:10:26 <planetmaker> sometimes this on-and-off is a tad annoying 10:10:29 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B73C2.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:10:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:11:03 <planetmaker> andythenorth: with your constant on-and-off IRC you really should consider the use of a bouncer 10:11:09 <planetmaker> it makes talking to you a PITA 10:11:37 <planetmaker> I really don't know why you stopped using it in the first place 10:13:38 <andythenorth> I couldn't understand it 10:13:47 <andythenorth> it kept telling me I had messages and such 10:13:59 <andythenorth> and it played me a welcome message every time I popped up 10:14:16 <planetmaker> it's not different from connecting directly. Yes you get a welcome message, though 10:14:33 <andythenorth> normally I don't hang out in this channel when I'm at work, which is when I'm more skippy 10:14:48 <andythenorth> in fact, I should do some work now :P 10:15:00 <planetmaker> yes. That's ok... but exactly that's the bouncer for... 10:15:29 <planetmaker> for the "skippy" periods 10:15:49 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 10:16:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ABFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:17:52 <planetmaker> Depends a bit on irc client, I find it helpful to see those highlights from a backlog (if any). The rest of the playback can be ignored 10:20:33 <Terkhen> or to read discussions that you might have missed 10:20:55 <Terkhen> I usually give a quick look to the backlog and ignore most of it 10:22:15 * dihedral nods 10:22:55 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:22:56 <planetmaker> so do I, indeed 10:24:56 <planetmaker> like when I re-connect I see in the network window my highlights [16:21] muks [#gimp] planetmaker: when do you see this error? 10:24:58 <planetmaker> [16:54] mitch__ [#gimp] planetmaker: what kind of uri is your script trying to access? and then I can answer that, ignore the rest 10:25:44 <planetmaker> it shows also the use of meaningful highlights ;-) 10:25:51 <Terkhen> oh, you can use the bouncer to access other networks? 10:26:18 <planetmaker> Terkhen: in principle yes. It'd need another user afaik. But you can have others, if you like 10:26:42 <planetmaker> at least another user is what I use :-) 10:27:03 <Terkhen> ok, I don't really need it for now but I'll keep this in mind :) 10:27:19 <planetmaker> I see that in principle the configuration allows for several networks for one user, but that never works for me. 10:27:36 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host230-208-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:27:39 <planetmaker> sure, just drop a line, it's no effort 10:27:43 <planetmaker> when needed 10:27:55 <Wolf01> hello 10:28:00 <Terkhen> ok, thanks :) 10:28:01 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 10:31:04 <dihedral> i use the bouncer for 2 networks too ;-) 10:32:02 *** anujmore_afk [~atm@triband-mum-59.182.99.230.mtnl.net.in] has joined #openttd 10:32:41 <peter1138> anyone finished vehicles in vehicles yet? :p 10:35:40 *** anujmore [~atm@triband-mum-59.182.31.170.mtnl.net.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:40:54 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has joined #openttd 10:41:17 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@host-92-8-65-148.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 10:41:25 <andythenorth> someone probably has 10:41:32 <andythenorth> but they can't find their code : 10:41:33 <andythenorth> :P 11:00:18 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:09:08 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 11:10:41 *** Chris_Booth_ [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:16:18 <Ammler> rv transit with trains :-) 11:16:54 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:05 <Ammler> does that exists somewhere else than in CH? 11:18:06 <planetmaker> "autozug"? yes 11:18:07 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has left #openttd [] 11:18:27 <planetmaker> http://www.dbautozug.de/site/dbautozug/de/start.html 11:18:28 <__ln__> "autojuna"? yes 11:18:57 <Ammler> well, I meant more like trucks-train :-) 11:20:02 <planetmaker> http://www.schenker.de/deutsch/news/newsOrdner/2010_05/piHangartner.html <-- like that? 11:20:48 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:21:58 <Ammler> planetmaker: doesn't that sound like containers? 11:22:46 <__ln__> http://vaunut.org/kuva/66260 http://vaunut.org/kuva/62911 11:22:56 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.234] has joined #openttd 11:24:38 <Ammler> __ln__: basically the vehicles itself aren't cargo 11:25:30 <__ln__> but yes, also civilian truck trailers are sometimes transported on rail over here 11:25:42 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:26:29 <Ammler> called "Rolling Road" 11:27:31 <andythenorth> argghh 11:29:29 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:43 * planetmaker gives andythenorth a cup of steaming hot tea 11:29:51 <andythenorth> thanks 11:30:19 <andythenorth> this vehicle in vehicle business will lead to a whole new game :P (or requests for same) 11:30:34 <andythenorth> and I for one welcome our new vehicle-enclosing overlords 11:30:55 *** Chris_Booth_ [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:30:57 <planetmaker> :-) 11:31:14 <planetmaker> it would definitely change the game a lot 11:31:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: the railway to Sylt had car transport for ages 11:31:31 <planetmaker> at least an impact as cargod*st 11:31:56 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: yes, but the car as cargo 11:32:02 <__ln__> trucks in ferries would be nice 11:32:08 <Ammler> I only found this non-CH example: http://www.oekombi.at/data/flash/master/index.php?lan=2 11:32:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: no, car as in people who want to go there put their car on the train. 11:32:59 <Ammler> well, then you call teh people as cargo? 11:34:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: basically on Sylt the railway does the job that other islands handle with ferries 11:35:15 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-202-018.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:59 <Eddi|zuHause> it has a rail connection to the main land, but not a road connection 11:36:04 <andythenorth> trailer-train / motor-rail etc is pretty common 11:36:06 <Ammler> but there would be a road the same way? 11:36:35 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindenburgdamm 11:36:58 <Ammler> well, don't you see the difference? 11:37:24 <Markk> Why is it called Sylt? 11:37:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Markk: ask the north-friesians 11:37:56 <Markk> :D 11:38:12 <Markk> Sylt is jam for me. 11:39:05 <Ammler> andythenorth: nobody yet is able to show a exmaple outside of the alpes 11:39:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: what exactly are you getting at?! 11:39:23 <Ammler> so I wouldn't call that common :-) 11:39:26 <andythenorth> Ammler: I don't see the point 11:39:44 <andythenorth> there are literally tens of thousands of piggyback units in operation across the US 11:40:10 <andythenorth> they are even in the UK, despite minimal loading gauge 11:41:04 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.153.211.44] has joined #openttd 11:42:51 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_Highway 11:43:45 <peter1138> example of what? 11:44:23 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadrailer 11:45:44 <andythenorth> http://www.google.co.uk/search?um=1&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&biw=1236&bih=665&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=us+piggyback+train&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq= 11:46:12 <peter1138> ah, truck on trains, yes... 11:47:43 <Ammler> andythenorth: yes, you found another example in India so there are 2 on the whole globe, is that common? :-) 11:48:02 <andythenorth> you mean specifically rolling road? 11:48:07 <andythenorth> rather than trailer on flatcar? 11:48:10 <Ammler> yes, of course 11:48:42 <andythenorth> what about Eurotunnel :P 11:48:56 <andythenorth> you talk specifically about trucks? 11:48:58 <Ammler> hmm, true 11:48:58 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorail 11:49:06 <peter1138> eurotunnel carries trucks too 11:49:47 <Ammler> well, in most cases, the vehicle is the cargo 11:49:47 <andythenorth> Ammler: I don't see the distinction as important, if we talk about vehicle-in-vehicle 11:49:59 <andythenorth> truck can have a trailer *in* it 11:50:04 <andythenorth> then offload that to a train or whatever 11:50:15 <Ammler> like containers 11:50:44 <Ammler> oh, I was just curious 11:51:33 <Ammler> also quite special for the alpes is that there exists also roads the same way 11:52:36 <dihedral> the alps are like swiss cheese anyway :-D 11:52:46 <planetmaker> tasty? 11:52:55 <planetmaker> the older the better? 11:53:03 <dihedral> full of holes :-P 11:54:01 *** anujmore_afk [~atm@triband-mum-59.182.99.230.mtnl.net.in] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:56:29 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 11:57:57 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:e461:15f7:417c:11aa] has joined #openttd 11:58:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:00:57 <Eddi|zuHause> <Ammler> also quite special for the alpes is that there exists also roads the same way <-- but the point was that the roads shouldn't be used 12:04:20 <andythenorth> all wagons / trailers / coaches would become containers 12:04:39 <andythenorth> except for a few randoms like brake vans 12:05:09 <andythenorth> engines would haul a consist of n invisible wagons, which can load any wagon 12:05:12 <andythenorth> it would be nuts 12:05:25 <andythenorth> but means you could leave wagons / trailers etc loading at industries for 0 running cost 12:05:27 <Eddi|zuHause> problem is length of the wagon-placeholders 12:05:33 <Ammler> [14:04] <andythenorth> all wagons / trailers / coaches would become containers <-- that is already supported by openttd 12:05:43 <andythenorth> eh? 12:05:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: wagons contain something, but nothing can contain wagons 12:07:08 <Ammler> andythenorth: the point is that the rv is loaded to the train and unloaded and continues, container transport wouldn't be special 12:07:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: "container" is a vehicle that can be loaded onto other vehicles, but cannot move itself 12:08:07 <Ammler> yep, as said, openttd supports that already 12:08:11 <Eddi|zuHause> the difference to current gameplay is that the container-transporter doesn't care about the cargo that the container holds 12:08:45 <Eddi|zuHause> so e.g. a ship can load 3 containers with coal and 5 containers with goods 12:08:48 <Eddi|zuHause> without refitting 12:08:59 <Eddi|zuHause> and that is _not_ supported by the game. 12:09:09 <Ammler> or just use same cargo for everything 12:09:19 <Ammler> ^ :-) 12:09:31 <Eddi|zuHause> you are being silly... 12:10:20 <Ammler> with yacd, that doesn't need to be unfunny :-) 12:12:31 <andythenorth> hmm 12:12:39 * andythenorth is baffled by this conversation :) 12:12:41 <andythenorth> but anyway 12:12:47 <Ammler> :-) 12:12:50 <Ammler> sorry :-P 12:12:53 <andythenorth> vehicles in vehicles is bonkers 12:13:15 <planetmaker> it's realistic ;-) 12:13:57 <Ammler> and sounds easier as containers 12:18:07 <andythenorth> describing it as containers is a distraction 12:23:53 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 12:35:09 <Eddi|zuHause> implementing containers first and later extending the functionality to road vehicles may be an advantage 12:35:35 <Eddi|zuHause> with the completely new vehicle type of containers you don't have to worry about existing stations/depots 12:36:27 <planetmaker> aaargh. My sanity... http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/204/ 12:40:16 <Ammler> you shouldn't have helped at all such guys 12:43:06 <Ammler> hmm, it has openttd download only, transpot tycoon links to amazon 12:44:35 <Ammler> "Das inzwischen freigegebene Original lÀdt man sich von der Fangemeinde herunter." <-- hehe 12:47:30 <planetmaker> hu? 12:47:44 <planetmaker> "freigegebene Original?"? Did I miss something? 12:48:09 <__ln__> probably something about "abandonware" once again 12:49:52 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i have a feeling something broke the stuck trains patch... 12:52:53 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 12:53:06 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: indeed :-) 13:02:40 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-81-149.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:07:52 <Belugas> hello 13:08:27 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 13:08:28 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-28-26.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:37 <Belugas> thanks andythenorth for the lyrics :) but... WHERE ARE THE CHORDS???? 13:09:38 <Belugas> hehe 13:10:00 <Eddi|zuHause> we definitely need a "length 8" button in the station gui... 13:10:12 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the most common thing i build, occasionally 12 or 15 13:10:55 <peter1138> heh 13:11:33 <planetmaker> probably rather it should get a freely configurable 7th or 8th length 13:11:43 <planetmaker> but you know how it goes :-P 13:12:22 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i'm not only speaking about MTSS 13:12:38 <peter1138> MTSS? 13:12:39 <planetmaker> I know 13:12:45 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/attachment.php?aid=3961 13:12:47 <planetmaker> I didn't mean it specific to any station set 13:13:01 <planetmaker> it makes sense. I rather meant: patches welcome 13:13:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not touching GUI stuff! :p 13:13:19 <peter1138> ooh, pretty 13:13:37 <planetmaker> hm, does the berlin main station build again, also? 13:13:57 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: that is a fresh build of r22476 13:14:08 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: it's difficult do do right, though 13:14:10 <planetmaker> then I was just too stupid to build it properly 13:14:33 <Eddi|zuHause> the plaza in front must be exactly 8 tiles by drag&drop (putting 8 individual tiles won't do it) 13:14:33 <planetmaker> and I couldn't be bothered to pull out the readme 13:14:47 <planetmaker> tsk. Bad (code) design 13:18:21 <Chris_Booth> nice stations, which sets are those Eddi|zuHause? 13:18:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Chris_Booth: the "Modular Train Station Set" (by Red*Star) 13:18:57 <Chris_Booth> is that on Bananas? 13:19:03 <Chris_Booth> or will I have to google it? 13:19:07 <Eddi|zuHause> "Modern", not "Modular" 13:19:24 <Eddi|zuHause> it's in the forums only, i believe 13:19:36 <Eddi|zuHause> and it's very beta... 13:19:37 <Chris_Booth> aaah ok will have to look on tt-ms then 13:19:53 <Eddi|zuHause> on tt-forums, not tt-ms 13:20:30 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=405872#p405872 13:20:34 <Chris_Booth> aah ok will search tt-forums thanks eddi 13:21:23 <andythenorth> meh 13:21:40 <andythenorth> in what way is YACD not already like having contracts between industries for supply? 13:21:49 <andythenorth> what would contracts add to that? 13:21:52 <andythenorth> seems dumb 13:22:05 * andythenorth should probably not visit tt-forums any more 13:22:06 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the majority of suggestions is dumb ;) 13:22:11 <andythenorth> it's just a source of rage 13:22:15 <andythenorth> and stupidity 13:22:22 * andythenorth has stopped visiting lego forums 13:22:33 <Chris_Booth> ooh lego 13:23:19 <peter1138> i tend to think of subsidies as a kind of contract 13:23:44 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, ah... 5 years in the making ;) 13:28:27 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: was it really only 5 years? :p 13:34:55 <Chris_Booth> MTSS is sweet 13:35:06 <Chris_Booth> love that berlin station 13:36:30 <planetmaker> the look of the stations is quite good. The usability of the set is quite low, though given the exact construction instructions one has to follow to end up at not completely broken stations 13:37:34 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not for small maps, you need quite a lot of space 13:38:07 <Chris_Booth> planetmaker for coop Sbahn games they would work will for the drop stations 13:38:24 <Chris_Booth> but I agree the are big eyecandy stations, not very flexable 13:38:40 <peter1138> yacd is shocking 13:38:47 <peter1138> i've managed to enjoy a game without any newgrfs 13:39:16 <Eddi|zuHause> what a crazy idea! 13:39:19 <andythenorth> bonkers 13:39:22 <andythenorth> I might have to try it 13:39:31 <andythenorth> [when hell freezes over] 13:39:36 <andythenorth> yacd without ships? 13:40:10 <Chris_Booth> Ships let me just be sick in my mouth 13:40:19 <Chris_Booth> I hate ships! 13:40:23 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-49-224.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:40:25 <Chris_Booth> they are just to easy to use 13:42:46 <peter1138> well except for placing buoys everywhere 13:43:33 <Chris_Booth> peter1138 that is easy, just boring adding lots of orders to your ships 13:43:38 <Eddi|zuHause> before destinations, i hardly ever used ships... or trucks... 13:44:14 <Chris_Booth> turcks can be fun 13:44:19 <Chris_Booth> I lve RV games 13:44:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i play destinations for about 3 years now 13:45:03 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-81-149.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:18 <Chris_Booth> I played cargodest, then dist but not a huge player of branches 13:45:23 <Chris_Booth> apart for IS2 13:45:43 <Eddi|zuHause> first time with PaxDest v3, around July 2008 13:46:30 <Eddi|zuHause> it had some crazy hiccups periodically when it recalculated the links 13:47:10 <Chris_Booth> I went bankrupt a few times when Cargodist lost link when merged with IS2 13:48:01 <Belugas> nice screenshot, those train stations from TTMS 13:49:46 * peter1138 liked the original cargo dest 13:49:56 <peter1138> and the rewrite I & celestar did 13:50:03 <peter1138> never played cargo dist though 13:50:18 <peter1138> i liked subsidiaries too :D 13:50:26 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:50:28 <Eddi|zuHause> oooooh... really old times :p 13:52:06 <Ammler> what was the difference to the is patches? 13:52:30 <Chris_Booth> not sure what as different from IS1 and IS2 13:52:37 <Chris_Booth> would have to ask the 2 different authors 13:53:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i think IS left out several features from subsidiaries 13:53:02 <Ammler> hmm, I meant rather the difference from subsidiaries to is 13:53:04 <__ln__> @seen celestar 13:53:05 <DorpsGek> __ln__: celestar was last seen in #openttd 17 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 36 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <Celestar> hahah 13:55:39 <peter1138> subsidiaries had company ownership, company switching, individual sharing fees, etc 13:55:50 <Terkhen> was the original cargodest very different from yacd? 13:56:08 <Ammler> many more desyncs :-P 13:57:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: fairly different. especially the way destinations are chosen 13:57:36 <Eddi|zuHause> cargodest and cargodist have assigned destinations by available links, yacdest assigns by available industries, irrespective of actual links 13:58:47 <Ammler> so cargodest was more like cargodist as yacd 13:58:52 <Terkhen> oh, I prefer yacd then 13:59:39 <Eddi|zuHause> cargodest and cargodist have completely different internals 14:00:10 <Ammler> well, afaik, there exists already cargodist based on yacd 14:00:25 <Yexo> cargodest distributed cargo over available destinations, but IIRC it didn't take the capacity of the links into account 14:01:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: yes, it throws away all the internals from cargodist, and only ports the choosing of destinations 14:01:50 <peter1138> and simutrans was doing yacd-style destinations several years ago ;p 14:01:57 <peter1138> (also using up tons of memory doing so) 14:02:45 <Ammler> yacd is just a multiplayer of cargos, basically :-) 14:02:59 <Ammler> with "autotransfer" 14:03:05 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i remember lengthy discussions on whether simutrans-style destinations are desireable 14:04:48 <Terkhen> but that cargodist over yacd patch proves that we can have both :P 14:06:30 <Ammler> cargodist is a nice a desirable option 14:06:43 <Ammler> else you become just a slave of the game 14:07:32 * peter1138 grumbles about the tree problem 14:08:28 <Ammler> and dist based on yacd might make it a big chance to have it MP stable 14:09:32 <Chris_Booth> so YACDist Ammler? 14:09:40 <planetmaker> it exists :-) 14:10:23 <Chris_Booth> wow I was just messing 14:12:56 * andythenorth should work 14:12:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 14:17:01 <Belugas> funny... i never actually played with those big projects 14:17:41 <Belugas> makes me wonder when i should be able to start doing so... 14:17:47 <Ammler> the last big project you played was newhouses/industries ;-) 14:17:52 <Eddi|zuHause> what the berlin main station is missing is lower level platforms in the orthogonal direction 14:18:02 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 14:18:16 <Belugas> true, Ammler 14:18:19 <Belugas> i think.. 14:18:28 <Ammler> 3 years ago or more? 14:18:53 <Eddi|zuHause> 3 years sounds about right 14:19:00 <Belugas> that much??? 14:19:06 <Ammler> at least :-P 14:19:28 <Belugas> wow... time flies... 14:19:39 <Eddi|zuHause> no, must be longer than 3 years 14:20:06 <Ammler> 0.5 14:20:09 <Eddi|zuHause> my Ravenswald game was already with alpine grf, so at least 4 years 14:20:23 <Belugas> i have difficulties realizing it's been that long... almost feel like 6 months ago, to the amx 14:21:23 <Ammler> 5 main versions between so nearly 5 years :-D 14:22:28 <Belugas> ha... come on... not that lng! 14:22:30 <Belugas> IMPOSSIBLE 14:22:36 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-14.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:24:28 <peter1138> hm 14:30:04 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:09 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38:45 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 14:51:09 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-14.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:54:47 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-14.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:56:35 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 14:56:41 <supermop> good morning 15:00:55 <Ammler> good evening 15:05:37 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... there are white flakes flying around 15:05:41 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's not snow... 15:07:43 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:13:39 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:14:13 <Ammler> vulcano :-) 15:15:29 <Eddi|zuHause> not many active volcanos around here, i'm afraid :p 15:21:35 <peter1138> any vulcans? 15:24:16 <Eddi|zuHause> not seen any of those either 15:26:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.162.232] has joined #openttd 15:27:24 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:32:39 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:02 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 15:33:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.172.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:24 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 15:44:26 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=946953#p946953 <--- D: 15:44:40 <planetmaker> I don't dare to comment on that list of active newgrfs 15:45:32 * peter1138 remembers the days when nothing much would load 15:46:03 <peter1138> when the whole 'resolver' stuff wasn't designed right 15:48:02 <Eddi|zuHause> he could have just updated after the bugfix... 15:50:39 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 15:52:29 <Terkhen> that list is really scary :P 15:53:24 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:56 <Eddi|zuHause> apart from really confident names like "test file", i have really seen worse :p 15:54:36 <Eddi|zuHause> most of them are station grfs, they are harmless 15:56:02 <planetmaker> and like half a dozen house sets 15:57:10 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, can newgrf change default airport's introduction dates? 15:57:54 <planetmaker> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Airports <-- yes 15:59:41 *** Chris_Booth_ [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:01:29 <Eddi|zuHause> does NML do that yet? 16:02:02 <planetmaker> nml supports airports. IIRC completely, but I didn't check recently 16:02:11 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus 16:02:55 <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't contain anything 16:04:05 <planetmaker> ? 16:04:14 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, i was on the wrong page 16:04:55 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:04:56 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 16:10:02 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 16:12:05 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:15:07 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:07 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 16:31:15 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:40:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: planetmaker * r22477 /trunk/readme.txt: -Doc: Update readme with more extensive information on directories used, font configuration and how to deal with missing NewGRFs 16:40:15 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 16:49:06 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-192-098.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:04 *** ZirconiumX [~chatzilla@cpc2-derb12-2-0-cust169.8-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:51:17 <ZirconiumX> hello all 16:54:44 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC400D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:06:57 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc928.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:08:21 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:09:52 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-14.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:30 *** ZirconiumX [~chatzilla@cpc2-derb12-2-0-cust169.8-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.17/20110420140830]] 17:11:55 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 17:12:12 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:12:59 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:26:30 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 17:26:52 <DanMacK> Hey all 17:36:38 <Ammler> call the upcoming stable release 1.1.0.1 then you have 1.1.1 free for november :-) 17:36:58 <Ammler> or release 10 other releases between 17:38:50 <Belugas> or call it Openttd 2011 November 17:38:58 <Belugas> hey DanMacK 17:43:30 <Eddi|zuHause> we should call it after the year in some totally different calender, like jewish or muslim :p 17:44:06 <Eddi|zuHause> and take a different calendar with each major release ;) 17:44:35 <Eddi|zuHause> should hurry up with the mayan calendar, though :p 17:45:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r22478 /trunk/src/lang/ (croatian.txt estonian.txt italian.txt): 17:45:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: croatian - 1 changes by VoyagerOne 17:45:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: estonian - 7 changes by notAbot 17:45:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv 17:46:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 17:47:04 <Eddi|zuHause> damn, i can't possibly draw anything if i don't have a model that i could put into the right position 17:47:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i should try a 3D model ;) 17:47:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [] 17:48:02 <planetmaker> :-) 17:48:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:41 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc928.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50:11 * peter1138 remembers the days when 'everyone' thought 32bpp meant to-scale graphics, smooth rail curves, and underground stuff, etc... 17:50:35 <andythenorth> evenings 17:50:42 * andythenorth remembers when it was all black and white 17:51:17 <andythenorth> especially all the fields 17:51:21 <andythenorth> when it was all just fields 17:52:19 <andythenorth> is it time for BANDIT? 17:52:29 <andythenorth> probably 17:53:27 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:53:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:11:43 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:25:17 <andythenorth> is vehicles-in-vehicles done yet? 18:25:24 <andythenorth> means we don't need rv-wagons 18:25:28 <andythenorth> so I can make a truck set :P 18:25:32 <andythenorth> hmm 18:25:34 <andythenorth> viv 18:26:12 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:30:08 *** SliGo [sligoman@178.207.43.157] has joined #openttd 18:30:44 <SliGo> thanks god you all are here 18:30:48 <SliGo> that is so nice 18:31:01 <__ln__> i'm not here 18:31:33 <SliGo> where are you? 18:32:57 <Belugas> here, you said it yourself :D 18:33:20 <planetmaker> :-D 18:33:36 <SliGo> the question was not for all of you 18:33:39 <SliGo> only for in 18:33:39 <planetmaker> And one should trust the word of the god of the deep seas, eh? ;-) 18:34:03 * Terkhen is in his room 18:34:29 <SliGo> god bless ya fellas 18:34:45 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 18:36:03 <Belugas> hahaha... he's not worthy to have his first letter in uppercase :D it's a L, not an uppercase i!! 18:36:25 <SliGo> who cares 18:36:29 <planetmaker> like beLugas ? ;-) 18:36:29 <SliGo> i don't 18:36:52 <Belugas> on the forums, yes. but here, i'm the Mightly Belugas! 18:38:13 <planetmaker> *blub* 18:38:38 <Eddi|zuHause> behind the seven hills? 18:38:44 <planetmaker> SliGo: if you have questions, the only way to get them answered is to ask them. Not to ask whether you may ask them. Not to tell you're going to ask... ;-) 18:39:15 <SliGo> planetmaker: i didn't do anything like that 18:39:27 <SliGo> and i don't have questions either 18:41:11 <Belugas> ho cool :) then, you are indeed welcome ^_^ 18:42:09 <SliGo> oh thanks 18:43:18 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46:21 *** SliGo [sligoman@178.207.43.157] has left #openttd [] 18:47:09 <planetmaker> now, that was a peculiar visitor 18:49:14 <Belugas> he'll be nack, now that he is invited 18:49:27 <Belugas> mhh.. too many vampire series lately :S 18:57:12 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:01:53 <Eddi|zuHause> don't watch "priest" then ;) 19:14:42 <Belugas> is it good? you've seen it? 19:15:04 <Belugas> my wife and i are interested :) 19:15:16 *** ndh [~opera@dslb-088-073-091-232.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:19:27 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 19:19:34 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... it sounded good at first, but i was a bit disappointed 19:19:44 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-158.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:20:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it was a little too short for a movie, it ended right when it started to get good... 19:32:03 <Belugas> ho 19:32:07 <Belugas> bad 19:32:16 <Belugas> i guess we'll wait for the dvd then :) 19:32:27 <Belugas> thanks for the report L) 19:36:29 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-198-249.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:37:49 *** gar [44ed2d79@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:37:53 <gar> hey 19:38:54 <gar> anyone on =\ 19:46:28 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-14.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:51:32 <Belugas> i'm on coffee, does it count? 20:03:14 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:13:22 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 20:15:39 <Belugas> and i'm on debug as well... 20:15:59 <glx> again ??? ;) 20:21:03 <Zuu> Hmm, how does Belugas work in debug mode? 20:21:39 <Zuu> Can we have a call stack of you? ;-) 20:22:31 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 20:23:15 <Eddi|zuHause> "debugging is twice as difficult as coding, so if you are coding as brilliantly as possible, you are not brilliant enough to debug the code" 20:24:25 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc928.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:25:41 <frosch123> evening girls 20:26:48 <frosch123> sadly noone answers :) 20:27:06 <Eddi|zuHause> :p 20:27:52 <glx> what did you expect ? 20:28:19 <__ln__> @seen girls 20:28:19 <DorpsGek> __ln__: I have not seen girls. 20:28:23 <__ln__> see. 20:30:40 <frosch123> you can always try :) 20:33:46 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@89-178-166-33.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:33:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-198-249.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:48 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 20:37:10 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:40:08 <Belugas> i'm on debug mode like 50% of the time :) 20:46:50 *** Amis [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: *pop*] 20:55:37 *** SigHunter [~sighunter@pD955B277.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:56:35 <SigHunter> i have a large city (150k citizens) and since some time its losing citizens, gets more and more green spots (like cheese o.0) and i dont know why that is, anyone an idea? 20:56:42 <SigHunter> its down to 109k already 20:56:55 <andythenorth> they do that 20:57:04 <andythenorth> I think it's a bug 20:57:09 <SigHunter> 108 :( 20:57:34 <andythenorth> post a bug report with savegame 20:57:44 <andythenorth> http://bugs.openttd.org/ 20:57:58 <SigHunter> i thought im just doing something wrong 20:58:05 <SigHunter> im not thaat into the game mechanics 20:58:14 <SigHunter> maybe they are out of food :> 20:58:15 <Belugas> i'd say the latter rather than the former... 20:58:23 <Belugas> ho... late... night all] 21:03:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22479 /trunk/src/ (company_base.h company_type.h economy.cpp): -Codechange/Fix: Months != quarters. (xi) 21:12:35 *** SigHunter [~sighunter@pD955B277.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 21:16:36 * Terkhen ponders starting a new yacd game 21:16:46 * andythenorth ponders bedtime 21:16:53 <andythenorth> yacd needs a new truck set 21:16:56 <Terkhen> that's a good option too :) 21:16:57 <andythenorth> I shall make it 21:17:00 <andythenorth> when I have time 21:17:01 <Terkhen> what kind of set? 21:17:21 <andythenorth> with trucks 21:17:23 <andythenorth> :) 21:17:30 <Eddi|zuHause> one with both small and large vehicles in every time 21:17:31 <andythenorth> or you could extend opengfx rvs 21:17:36 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: exactly 21:17:58 <andythenorth> the progression of vehicles always get bigger + faster is not correct for yacd 21:18:02 <andythenorth> nor rl for that matter 21:18:03 <Eddi|zuHause> too often vehicle sets follow the scheme later => bigger 21:18:12 <Eddi|zuHause> but that is totally useless in some cases 21:18:16 <Terkhen> more types of trucks in opengfx+ road vehicles would be awesome 21:18:25 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause it made sense in original game 21:18:28 <Eddi|zuHause> you need large vehicles even in earlier times 21:18:37 <Eddi|zuHause> and you need small vehicles even in later times 21:18:41 <andythenorth> yarp 21:18:58 <andythenorth> and meanwhile, much as I love egrvts 21:19:12 <andythenorth> 55t and 75mph seems high 21:19:16 <andythenorth> for later vehicles 21:19:22 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-178-068.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 21:19:32 <andythenorth> uk max gross weight is 44t afaik 21:19:39 <Terkhen> right now, opengfx+ road vehicles only has the "default truck" models, three generations that get increased capacity and speed on each iteration 21:20:01 <andythenorth> a range is needed 21:20:14 <andythenorth> something like 7t, 15t, 25t 21:21:00 <andythenorth> in BANDIT I'll probably offer multiple similar models - I like that kind of choice 21:21:08 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:21:08 <Terkhen> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/entry/src/truck_templates.pnml <--- right now these are the models 21:21:50 <andythenorth> weight is vehicle weight? or capacity? 21:22:03 <Terkhen> vehicle weight 21:22:19 <Terkhen> capacity is adjusted per cargo, but it also increases a bit with each generation 21:22:38 <Terkhen> everything is copied from the default trucks, but you can see the differences better in that file 21:23:08 <Eddi|zuHause> truck generations are too far apart 21:23:24 <Eddi|zuHause> imho something like "a new vehicle every 10 years" should be appropriate 21:24:00 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: you've seen how NARS2 handles upgrading vehicle models? 21:24:05 <Terkhen> if you give me two new sprites for the truck heads I could easily add two generations between the existing ones 21:24:30 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i have not played NARS2, but "upgrading models" is generally a bad idea, since you cannot do autoreplace then 21:24:44 <andythenorth> it's the downside of the idea :( 21:24:48 <andythenorth> HEQS does it too 21:24:53 <Terkhen> also it would not be appropiate for opengfx+ road vehicles: too different from the default behavior 21:24:57 <andythenorth> it's good, but bad 21:25:53 <Eddi|zuHause> it's more than a "downside" 21:26:22 <andythenorth> it has an upside though :) 21:27:33 <andythenorth> the alternative is spam in the buy menu 21:28:01 <Eddi|zuHause> you can avoid that by retiring models early 21:28:40 <andythenorth> what about with 'vehicles never expire' :P 21:28:41 <Eddi|zuHause> but not too early, i frequently get annoyed by GermanRV that i cannot copy a tram anymore, because that exact model has been phased out 21:28:52 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: that is a non-issue. 21:28:58 <andythenorth> it is for me :P 21:29:31 <andythenorth> plus the annoying "can't clone vehicle" issue annoys me 21:29:35 <andythenorth> as you said 21:30:15 <andythenorth> extend newgrf 21:30:19 <andythenorth> provide a model number 21:30:31 <andythenorth> must always increment 21:30:36 <andythenorth> teach auto-replace about that 21:30:49 <andythenorth> probably not a complicated cb tbh 21:31:12 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 21:31:15 <andythenorth> just need to remember to branch nfo for buy menu :P 21:31:24 <andythenorth> otherwise it will fail to work as intended 21:31:45 <andythenorth> if someone could just implement that...I'll test it :) 21:32:41 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0497ba.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:33:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it's a totally crazy idea... 21:33:49 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: does that make sense? ^ 21:33:50 <andythenorth> oh 21:33:54 <andythenorth> :( 21:34:20 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-14.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:37:56 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:41:00 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I'm sure there's a solution somehow 21:41:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:41:59 <Eddi|zuHause> if you can't get the suggestion past a moderate person like me, how do you run it past extremists like MB or Rubidium [opposite sides each :p]? 21:51:15 <Terkhen> whenever I start a new game I spend a lot of time fiddling with the options until I get a map I like... 21:52:41 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: I guess the idea has to reach me first; somewhat got a mental filter on ideas as 99.9% is just repeats 21:53:54 <Rubidium> though there's one repeated idea I like very much almost every day, and some days even multiple times 21:54:28 <Eddi|zuHause> join IRC! 21:57:21 <frosch123> night rubidium 21:57:32 <frosch123> night :) 21:57:35 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc928.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:53 *** ndh [~opera@dslb-088-073-091-232.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #openttd [] 22:00:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ABFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:10 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:03:31 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-192-098.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:16:48 *** gar [44ed2d79@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:31:11 *** DDR [~DDR@d99-199-10-67.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 22:31:37 <Terkhen> good night 22:36:06 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:11 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ech178.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 22:48:28 *** DDR [~DDR@d99-199-10-67.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:52 *** ar3k [~ident@ecm188.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:15 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 23:16:51 *** longbyte1 [4673c013@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:17:11 *** longbyte1 [4673c013@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 23:17:41 *** longbyte1 [4673c013@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:17:47 <longbyte1> hello? 23:17:56 <longbyte1> helooo 23:18:06 <longbyte1> I need some help 23:18:27 <longbyte1> why does it say local authorities does not allow to do this 23:18:44 <longbyte1> heloooooooooooooo 23:18:51 <longbyte1> stop idling 23:18:57 <longbyte1> serioudl 23:19:16 <Eddi|zuHause> http://wiki.openttd.org/Local_authority 23:19:25 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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