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[~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 08:03:51 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:05:58 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 08:27:53 *** Dwarden [Dwarden@ip-89-176-187-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:29:41 <Dwarden> hi everyone, question what installer is used by openttd, is it reusable for other projects? 08:30:28 * NGC3982 ircs in the bath tub 08:30:58 *** cypher [~Miranda@wced-208-218-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 08:32:28 <TinoDidriksen> Dwarden, it's probably NSIS 08:37:30 <Dwarden> oh really? 08:37:40 <Dwarden> is the script somewhere to study? 08:38:06 <TinoDidriksen> Dwarden, http://nsis.sf.net/ 08:38:28 <Dwarden> i know it, i mean the script used by openTTD 08:38:44 <Dwarden> looking just for specific portion 08:38:51 *** telanus1 [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.116] has joined #openttd 08:39:07 <TinoDidriksen> Oh, maybe somewhere in the source repo. 08:39:09 <Dwarden> aka hows done the download 08:39:26 <TinoDidriksen> The NSIS page also has lots of examples, including downloading. 08:39:28 <Dwarden> of openMSX/openSFX/openGFX 08:41:24 <TinoDidriksen> Using the nsisdl::download command. 08:43:20 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:44:08 <Dwarden> hmm thanks, will check it out 08:44:24 <Dwarden> tho script from openttd would be still welcome sample ;) 08:44:51 <Dwarden> ah so that's the NSIDll http plugin 08:49:22 <CornishPasty> Man, this was so hard to find, Dwarden: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/os/windows/installer 08:51:33 <Dwarden> thanks Cornishpasty a lot, i feel like nub now , wish i knew it's in trac 08:52:22 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-24-71.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:52:30 <CornishPasty> :D 08:54:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6B54E.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:58:10 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-60-113.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:02:02 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-101-227.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 09:16:06 *** Hazzard [~7b76af87@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:16:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.188.149] has joined #openttd 09:17:44 <dihedral> greetings 09:18:00 <Hazzard> Hello 09:41:09 *** TELK [79584cf0@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:42:38 *** TELK [79584cf0@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 09:42:48 *** TELK [79584cf0@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:43:24 <TELK> Excuse me, is the connection of openttd.org well? 09:52:05 *** TELK [79584cf0@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:54:17 *** GBerten2936 [GBerten293@oxygen.evosurge.com] has joined #openttd 09:54:26 *** GBerten2936 is now known as lugo 09:58:43 *** mode/#openttd [+v planetmaker] by ChanServ 09:59:29 *** yorick is now known as Guest13 09:59:29 *** gm_stack is now known as Guest14 10:32:40 <Ammler> Rubidium: /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/openttd-1.2.0/config.lib: line 2872: [: 4.: integer expression expected 10:39:05 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1177643171.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 10:39:08 <drac_boy> hi 10:42:35 <Ammler> SalÃŒ 10:44:45 *** xiong [~xiong@c-67-164-36-201.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:45:38 <Eddi|zuHause> is that how swiss people spell that? 10:46:08 <planetmaker> Ammler: that line has been unchanged for 3000 revs... 10:46:23 <Ammler> planetmaker: it might depend on the icu 10:46:53 <planetmaker> that's likely 10:47:19 <Ammler> it's no big issue, icu is deteced, why I don't make a fs post 10:47:24 <planetmaker> so you might want to tell us about your ICU version and the output which is (unsuccessfully) tried to parse 10:47:36 <planetmaker> well. DO make an FS entry 10:47:42 <planetmaker> with the above info 10:47:52 <planetmaker> icu version and the output you get 10:48:06 <planetmaker> the info you provide is... rather little more than 'I get an error' 10:48:43 <Ammler> build:~> icu-config --version 10:48:44 <Ammler> 49.1 10:49:02 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 10:49:03 *** Nat_aS is now known as Nat_AFK 10:49:27 <planetmaker> well, please do make an FS entry 10:49:44 <Ammler> looks rather like a bug in suse icu 10:50:18 <planetmaker> that I don't know 10:50:24 <Hazzard> How does the titlegame work? 10:50:41 <planetmaker> but probably it should read 4.9.1 instead of 49.1 10:51:09 <Ammler> well it is how the .so is called so.49 10:51:26 <planetmaker> is that stable suse or the 'tubleweed' dev version? 10:51:49 <Ammler> factory 10:52:03 <Ammler> 12.1 is 4.6.1 10:52:22 <Ammler> tumbleweed is not dev 10:52:42 <planetmaker> so it's nothing released but buggy icu? 10:52:51 <Ammler> tumbleweed is just a collection of some dev snapshot repos 10:53:13 <Ammler> like openttd nightly 10:53:56 <planetmaker> so the question is: is icu version info broken or is it changed on purpose? 10:54:19 <Ammler> or should openttd be able to handle such version change? 10:54:30 <planetmaker> not, if it's a bug 10:55:01 <Ammler> well, 49.1 is still a valid version string 10:55:40 <Ammler> but as said, icu is still detected 10:55:41 <planetmaker> is is. but it's different format than the existing 4.6.2 or so 10:56:07 <planetmaker> Ammler: with ICU the exact version is very important. It's one of those libraries which changes its ABI. 10:56:41 <planetmaker> and again the question: Is ICU broken or is it a general change which we'll find in the next stable release? 10:56:58 <Ammler> I know, it is one the libs, which mostly breaks building packages which have regression tests 11:00:23 <Ammler> as it does not break building, I will wait with fs until the error apears also on stable distro 11:03:25 <planetmaker> you should report the error to at least one, openttd or libicu. I think icu should not change its version info output 11:10:21 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:10:58 <planetmaker> seems that they DO want to change their versioning 11:11:49 <planetmaker> http://site.icu-project.org/download 11:14:29 <Ammler> ok, you still want me to create a fs or will you "take over"? :-) 11:18:33 <Ammler> fs#5182 11:21:57 <planetmaker> ty, Ammler 11:23:43 <planetmaker> Ammler: could you try the attached diff I posted? 11:28:53 <Ammler> hmm, the sense on this is to use both on 49 11:29:03 <Ammler> that is why they changed it 11:29:15 <Eddi|zuHause> <Hazzard> How does the titlegame work? <-- it's a normal savegame that has been renamed to opntitle.dat 11:29:45 <Ammler> icu 4 is not compatible with icu 49 11:30:09 <Ammler> that is more like icu 5 if you want just one 11:33:06 <planetmaker> Ammler: that's why OpenTTD checks for the version number. Or you say we need to differ (for our purposes) between the versions > 3.6 ? 11:33:20 <planetmaker> (dunno, probably there are #ifdefs somewhere in the code) 11:33:23 <Hazzard> Eddi|zuHause: So it just runs in the background? 11:33:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Hazzard: yes 11:34:43 <Ammler> planetmaker: if I read it right, openttd does already merge 4.6 to 46 11:34:57 <planetmaker> that it does, yes 11:34:59 <Ammler> so the new versioning is what openttd wants/needs 11:35:16 <planetmaker> yes. And my patch ensures that it ends up there in all cases 11:35:27 <planetmaker> or so I hope :-) 11:35:33 <Ammler> ok :-) 11:42:00 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-101-227.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 11:43:09 <Ammler> planetmaker: it does not work with version 100.2.3 11:43:19 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c05d:661f:5029:5145] has joined #openttd 11:43:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:43:37 <Ammler> but well, that might not be needed :-P 11:43:49 <planetmaker> it won't work with 100.2.3 11:43:54 <planetmaker> I know :-) 11:45:43 <Ammler> planetmaker: be also aware that this "fix" needs to be backported 11:46:21 <planetmaker> should be no issue 11:47:23 <Rubidium> IIRC ICU came with the great idea some time not so long ago to just drop the dots from their version numbers 11:47:34 <Rubidium> because 4.9 is harder to comprehend than 49 11:47:54 <Rubidium> especially since each version is binary INcompatible with another version 11:48:15 <planetmaker> yeah. should I just commit that fix to the version detection, Rubidium? We should be safe till ICU 100 ;-) 11:48:59 <Ammler> I guess, they also want to avoid 4 version parts 11:49:52 <planetmaker> should be unaffected by the current version detection for ICU, Ammler 11:50:16 <Ammler> yeah, just meant could be a reason for the change 11:50:49 <Ammler> since 2nd part already made it incompatible no need to split it 11:51:28 <planetmaker> we should then release openttd 121 next ;-) 11:51:44 <Ammler> no issue, as long as it is > as 1 11:53:01 <Ammler> just use the svn rev :-P 12:03:45 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1177643171.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 12:04:21 *** Fiky [5d57d77c@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:04:28 <Fiky> hello 12:04:39 <Fiky> im new here 12:04:53 <Ammler> im old here 12:05:00 <Markk> I'm just here. 12:05:05 <Fiky> mark 12:05:12 <__ln__> i've always been here 12:05:55 *** KritiK [~Maxim@176.14.204.198] has joined #openttd 12:06:12 <Ammler> he, and welcome Fiky :-) 12:07:31 *** Fiky [5d57d77c@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [] 12:08:03 <Ammler> :'-( 12:14:48 <planetmaker> I like the conversation, though 12:17:09 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-104-61.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:31:09 *** Guest355 [wilberforc@drinks.mountaindew.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:45 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-73-116.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:36:35 *** AD [wilberforc@drinks.mountaindew.org] has joined #openttd 12:37:08 *** AD is now known as Guest45 12:39:48 *** swissfan91 [027ae4c4@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:40:53 *** Someus [~bumtac@212.93.105.3] has joined #openttd 12:40:58 <swissfan91> does anyone have any idea how to 1) draw glass properly in OTTD and 2) how to draw it WRT being able to see the train though it in a station tile 12:41:07 <Someus> Hi! Is there a faster way to upgrade trains to newer? 12:43:20 <Hazzard> Someus: IN the vehicle list click on the dropdown menu and press "replace vehicles" 12:43:53 <Someus> Do i need to take them to depot? 12:44:43 <Someus> Yep i found it 12:44:51 <Hazzard> Yes, but that can be done through sceduled servicing. Here is a short wiki page about it: http://wiki.openttd.org/Autoreplace#Autoreplace 12:45:38 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:46:05 <Someus> Ok 12:46:17 <Someus> Does it take a lot of time to replace them? 12:46:26 <Someus> I pressed replace and now i am waiting :) 12:46:45 <Hazzard> It takes as long a normal maintence does 12:47:42 <Someus> Hmm 12:47:48 <Someus> I pressed but nothing happens :/ 12:48:45 <Someus> I sent them all to depot 12:48:52 <Someus> And pressed replace 12:49:01 <Someus> No activity 12:49:34 <Hazzard> Did you choose which vehicles to be replaced in the replace vehicles popup? 12:50:08 *** KByte [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:52:07 <Someus> Yes i have 13 UU'37 vehicles 12:53:03 <Hazzard> http://wiki.openttd.org/Autoreplace#Autoreplace will probably help 12:53:12 <Someus> I press start vehicle replacing 12:53:14 <Someus> And waiting 12:53:32 <Someus> Nothing happens 12:53:42 <Someus> Trains don`t seem to replace 12:54:56 <Someus> ;/ 12:55:28 <Someus> I found this in wiki: Your vehicles will not all be sent to depots for replacement as soon as you click Start Replacing Vehicles. Instead, they will be replaced during their next regular servicing in a depot. 12:55:29 <Eddi|zuHause> they need to pass a depot when their service interval runs out 12:56:43 <Hazzard> Are you sure you chose the correct vehicle types you want to be replacing? 12:56:58 <Someus> Sure 12:57:36 <Eddi|zuHause> and are you sure you set it for all vehicles, not only for one group of vehicles? 12:57:54 <Eddi|zuHause> and are you sure they actually find a depot? 12:58:03 <Someus> As wiki stated: They don`t change immediately 12:58:25 <Someus> yes 12:58:29 <Someus> Yes! 12:58:40 <Someus> They changed successfuly! 13:01:01 <Eddi|zuHause> you can send them to depot manually, if you are that impatient 13:02:32 <Someus> it worked 13:02:55 <Someus> My trains keep blowing up opponents buses :) haha 13:05:50 <Eddi|zuHause> try http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=46091&start=0 13:06:45 <Hazzard> lol 13:06:56 <Hazzard> That's actually one problem with multiplayer 13:19:56 <Someus> :) 13:20:24 <Someus> nice 13:20:58 <Someus> How can I get better rating? 13:21:14 <Someus> I can`t make it better 13:23:08 <Hazzard> http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_Mechanics#Station_rating has some info about that 13:23:58 <Hazzard> Might be the RV crashes 13:24:11 <Hazzard> Those are a big minus for station ratings 13:24:46 <Someus> AI's always has outstanding ratings :/ :D 13:25:46 <Someus> Is it important to build station near as possible to city center or resources? 13:26:08 <Hazzard> Doesn't matter for industries 13:26:32 <Hazzard> but if you are in the center of a city, there are going to be a lot more passengers, which can be good or bad 13:28:44 <Hazzard> Your station might be closer to the RV crashes 13:31:13 <Someus> RV crashes? 13:32:43 <Hazzard> Road vehicle 13:43:43 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:07 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/zwiebelfischchen-lecker-lecker-fotostrecke-82079-5.html <- evil :p 13:46:53 *** KByte [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:57:06 <Someus> How can i dig water? :) 13:58:35 <Someus> I guess i can`t dig it in middle 14:00:14 *** telanus1 [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.116] has left #openttd [QUIT :Leaving.] 14:00:25 *** Someus [~bumtac@212.93.105.3] has quit [] 14:02:06 *** rails [cavejohnso@p6-5756-e20e.10m.i.exo.me.uk] has quit [Quit: ExoBNC - 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1 changes by Wowanxm 17:43:10 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d0826c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:44:39 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 17:45:13 <Wolf01> hello 17:49:47 <telanus> âªHello 17:50:45 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:55:11 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:56:58 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-101-227.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 17:57:44 *** cholo [c9dd18ee@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:00:39 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:02:36 *** cholo [c9dd18ee@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 18:04:49 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04:54 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 18:06:45 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:12:56 *** Someus [~bumtac@212.93.105.3] has joined #openttd 18:16:38 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.137.215] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:16:49 *** roadt_ [~roadt@114.96.137.215] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:17:03 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 18:27:40 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:16 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 18:31:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r24218 /trunk/src/lang/croatian.txt: -Fix: unbreak Croatian language 18:33:36 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:38:27 <supermop> hi 18:38:39 <Rubidium> ih 18:39:01 <supermop> how's it going? 18:40:32 <frosch123> ?gniog ti s'woh 18:40:58 <supermop> ko 18:49:23 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:53:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B525.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:31 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 18:55:44 <supermop> hey planetmaker; could the fenced land object in ogfx have a random variety of trees rather than just one pine? 18:55:53 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:04:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r24219 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix [FS#5152]: immediately do the cargo payment on vehicle crashes instead of when they are cleared 19:07:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: planetmaker * r24220 /trunk/config.lib: -Change: Adopt ICU version detection to also deal with the new versioning scheme since ICU 49 19:07:31 <planetmaker> supermop: yes, it could 19:07:44 <planetmaker> and tbh, it should 19:08:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r24221 /trunk/src/network/network_server.cpp: -Fix [FS#5166]: Lag counters were not properly reset when switching states making it possible to get disconnected for lagging when you weren't lagging 19:10:28 <supermop> i think both are good 19:10:47 <supermop> a grid of pines looks like a typical planted/reforested area, 19:11:00 <supermop> and wild trees looks like a preserved area 19:11:01 <planetmaker> oh, you mean the placement. 19:11:08 <supermop> both 19:11:22 <planetmaker> yes, both is feasible. Just possibly a lot more work 19:11:42 <supermop> i dont mid one view being all regular pines, and the other being different trees 19:11:54 <planetmaker> as it needs to take care of the slopes and the the placement. Thus 19 * trees * randomess of placement 19:12:18 <supermop> i like using the fenced land as nature preserve, to contain wild town growth 19:12:29 <planetmaker> luckily grf v8 and related newgrf features make some things there (much) easier. Still :-) 19:13:05 <planetmaker> My idea actually is to offer 4 versions of it: empty, random trees, and maybe one or two tree kinds which are like a plantation 19:13:15 <supermop> i am guessing it is way to much to ask for tree'd land to simply buy the land while leaving whatever happens to be there 19:14:03 <planetmaker> that's actually not feasible 19:17:37 <supermop> ok 19:17:54 <supermop> that was more of a dream about habing cake and eating it too 19:18:49 <supermop> the idea being that buying up pristine forest hurts your rating, but not as much as cutting the trees outright 19:19:27 <supermop> however, you receive a tiny boost to your rating as long as you keep the trees uncut 19:27:58 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 19:28:08 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 19:28:08 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [] 19:41:06 <Someus> IS there a znc on this network? 19:43:14 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:43:42 <Someus> Maybe someone offering? 19:53:07 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-153.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:58:17 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-230-134.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:00:37 <planetmaker> Someus: several people use it on their own servers 20:00:47 <planetmaker> for their own private use usually only, though 20:11:03 <Someus> don`t agree 20:11:10 <Someus> nevermind 20:14:38 <Wolf01> http://9gag.com/gag/4100321 anyone? 20:22:02 <planetmaker> Someus: you may or may not agree. But for sure people here do. 20:22:34 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-104-61.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:17 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-104-61.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:33:25 <Someus> :D 20:33:34 <Someus> You don't know what people do 20:33:37 *** Nat_aS is now known as Nat_AFK 20:34:15 <Someus> Are you OpenTTD developer? 20:37:21 <Belugas> i sure do believe he is 20:38:07 <Belugas> as would confirm the contat page of openttd 20:38:12 <Belugas> contact 20:40:22 <Someus> What's new in next release? 20:40:29 <Someus> What is nightly ? 20:40:44 <Belugas> new stuff and bug fixes 20:40:57 <Belugas> something that is running every night (when it does) 20:42:24 <Someus> i mean you have nightly release 20:42:50 <Belugas> yup 20:42:58 <Belugas> so you know the answwer:) 20:44:09 <FLHerne> ...which is released most nights, and so contains the absolutely most recent features (am I stating the obvious?) 20:44:26 <Belugas> you do well :) 20:44:41 <Someus> I don`t like graphics on zoom 20:44:48 <Someus> :) 20:45:02 <Someus> Are you up to fix it? 20:45:13 *** Devedse [~Devedse@d100059.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 20:46:46 *** Nat_AFK is now known as Nat_aS 20:47:44 <Wolf01> 'night all 20:47:47 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:48:20 <FLHerne> Someus: People are working on it, yes: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=50423&start=140 20:48:37 <Someus> nice :) 20:50:07 <FLHerne> Actually, there's a complete subforum for it: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=36 20:50:49 <Someus> Are there ideas about new vehicle types? 20:51:10 <FLHerne> That's what NewGRFs are for :P 20:51:29 <FLHerne> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=67 ... 20:52:23 *** hackalittlebit [57c425d6@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:52:33 <Someus> I don't know much about them 20:52:40 <Someus> Can you suggest me NewGRF ? 20:53:23 <FLHerne> I use rather a lot. Try looking at the screenshots subforum for examples of good ones (you could even look at mine :D ) 20:53:33 <Someus> Show me 20:53:57 <Someus> I've been playing this game a very little 20:53:57 <Someus> :) 20:54:19 <FLHerne> Assuming you can use a forum, just find it from the links I already posted :P 20:54:21 <Someus> And i like it despite today's offered mmo games 20:54:25 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.116] has left #openttd [PONG :weber.oftc.net] 20:54:34 <Someus> FLHerne just give me link to yours 20:56:18 <planetmaker> you don't link to newgrfs... you better just use the ingame content download and look at them 20:57:07 <planetmaker> enable "vehicles never expire" and start a game in the year > 2050 and you'll usually see all vehicles which a vehicle newgrf can offer 20:57:16 <FLHerne> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=47 is the screenshots section. It has examples of most NewGRFs in action. 20:58:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B525.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:58:53 <FLHerne> Which are good or not is subjective. What I consider interesting is probably not the same for you. 20:59:11 <FLHerne> Just try a variety and see what you like... 20:59:19 *** hackalittlebit [57c425d6@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:01:32 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:02:04 <Someus> Hmm 21:02:59 <Someus> FLHerne just try 21:03:43 <FLHerne> Indeed. Probably look at the forum to find out what things are before trying to download everything :P 21:04:51 <Someus> idk 21:05:03 <Someus> i'am not an expert 21:05:42 <Chris_Booth> no download everything! 21:05:54 <FLHerne> In OTTD, general use of the Internet, or both? 21:05:56 <Chris_Booth> then load it all on one 2048^2 map! 21:06:05 <Chris_Booth> both 21:06:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 21:06:22 <supermop> gsah i had something to tell andy 21:06:35 <FLHerne> Chris_Booth: Several people reported bugs on the forum after doing just that :-( 21:06:46 <Chris_Booth> lol 21:06:56 <Chris_Booth> Epic fail 21:07:33 <Chris_Booth> FLHerne: maybe Bananas should come with an idiot disclaimer XD 21:07:55 * FLHerne remembers a quote about underetimating the ability of complete fools 21:08:08 <FLHerne> s/etimating/estimating , even 21:08:40 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@87.196.37.214] has joined #openttd 21:11:08 * FLHerne goes to bed 21:11:32 <Someus> hmm 21:12:20 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 21:13:28 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:25 *** Someus [~bumtac@212.93.105.3] has quit [] 21:16:33 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 21:17:01 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:18:04 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 21:23:46 <HackaLittleBit> frosch123:Land generator and variety distribution, I consider more advanced, what more do you consider 'advanced'? fs5147 21:24:03 <HackaLittleBit> snow line? 21:24:44 <frosch123> tree algorithm and rivers 21:24:48 <HackaLittleBit> should only be visible when you choose arctic climate 21:24:52 <frosch123> and road vehicle side 21:24:59 <frosch123> nothing you want to change every day 21:25:10 <HackaLittleBit> ah 21:25:23 <frosch123> well, road vehicle side is easy to understand 21:25:31 <frosch123> but who cares about tree algorithm :) 21:25:39 <HackaLittleBit> nobody 21:25:46 <frosch123> variety distribution and landgen type are hard to understand 21:26:04 <HackaLittleBit> I just foud out today 21:26:04 <frosch123> and river count is actually quite useless, since the amount of rivers depends a lot more on smoothness :p 21:26:24 <frosch123> map edges might also be advanced 21:26:41 <frosch123> not sure about snow line, might be non-advanced 21:27:59 <HackaLittleBit> I do think you should leave those things, It is nice to tinker with and if you do not like the map , just delete it :) 21:28:30 <HackaLittleBit> only tree algorithem should disapear 21:28:51 <HackaLittleBit> who gives a sh.. 21:29:39 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-02.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 21:30:12 <supermop> trees should be grouped by species 21:30:47 <supermop> at least there should be different restrictions on different types 21:31:54 <HackaLittleBit> supermop: Only today I found out that 'variety distribution' was not for trees :) 21:33:09 <HackaLittleBit> but grouping by species is highly desired here 21:33:27 <HackaLittleBit> or according to height 21:38:26 <Terkhen> good night 21:39:21 <HackaLittleBit> frosch123: What about renaming 'Terrain type' in 'Terrain' and adding two more options. 1 Totally Flat and 2 From Heightmap. Eliminat 2 buttons on top 21:39:25 <HackaLittleBit> goodnight 21:40:08 <frosch123> i think heightmap should be separate 21:40:12 <HackaLittleBit> ok 21:40:16 <frosch123> it's very different from the other things 21:40:19 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:40:20 <frosch123> more like a scenario 21:40:35 <frosch123> totally flat is fine for se 21:40:44 <HackaLittleBit> ok 21:40:44 <frosch123> but personally i don't like it for new games 21:40:54 <HackaLittleBit> agreed 21:41:01 <frosch123> i want to force players to play on interesting maps :p 21:41:55 *** Someus [~bumtac@212.93.105.3] has joined #openttd 21:42:06 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.151.112] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 21:42:22 <HackaLittleBit> I tested a bit and I cant see so many difference between 'Flat' and 'Very flat' 21:42:49 <HackaLittleBit> I think one should be enough 21:43:05 <frosch123> the problem with the map settings is, that they depend a lot on each other 21:43:22 <frosch123> so the difference of flat and very flat depends on climate, variety, smoothness, and maybe even more 21:43:41 <frosch123> e.g. tropic is generally flat, while artic is generally hilly 21:43:58 <frosch123> very smooth is generally more flat 21:44:09 <frosch123> and high variety distribution is also likely to be very flat in parts 21:44:32 <HackaLittleBit> Yeah I saw that in the wiki 21:45:20 <HackaLittleBit> So that is why cutting more options is difficult 21:45:56 <frosch123> i don't think more options within a dropdown are an issue 21:45:58 <Someus> I can't wait for 32-bit graphics 21:46:16 <frosch123> but dropdowns which are hard to get the meaning of are :) 21:46:33 <HackaLittleBit> That is next discussion 21:46:45 <HackaLittleBit> first layout 21:47:00 <frosch123> Someus: easy to get used to. many people are waiting for them for like 6 years 21:47:11 <Someus> OMG 21:47:13 <Someus> :D 21:47:54 <HackaLittleBit> frosch123:What I proposed is technically feasable, without to much hassle? 21:48:12 <frosch123> what do you mean specifically? 21:48:30 <frosch123> the hiding of widgets depending on the selection of others? 21:48:40 <HackaLittleBit> well hiding options, changing screen size on the fly 21:48:41 <frosch123> we have such stuff in the orders window 21:48:50 <HackaLittleBit> ok 21:49:18 <frosch123> so, yes, changing size and expanding stuff is no problem 21:49:52 <HackaLittleBit> But do you agree with layout? 21:50:26 <HackaLittleBit> Can't do much more there 21:50:41 <HackaLittleBit> or you have to specifically ask 21:51:36 <Someus> Hmmm.. are there any other type of transport? :) 21:51:47 <frosch123> my main concern is that there should be some room for advanced settings, which are hidden 21:51:53 <Someus> We have plaines, buses, trains, ships, what else we have? 21:52:16 <frosch123> making everything visible to the new user seems too much 21:52:32 <frosch123> Someus: trams, various other train types 21:52:38 <frosch123> trucks 21:52:55 <HackaLittleBit> ok, I have to think 21:53:21 <frosch123> Someus: so, you might have narrow gauge, or metro, ... 21:53:42 <frosch123> heqs are also different from other trucks 21:54:36 <HackaLittleBit> frosch123: would it be possible with advanced button to show up more items on the screen? 21:55:01 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:55:50 <frosch123> sure, it's technically the same as hiding single comboboxes 21:56:02 <frosch123> or like the general window shading we have 21:56:07 <HackaLittleBit> ok I'll come back to you 21:56:19 <HackaLittleBit> godnight 21:56:25 <frosch123> night 21:56:25 <HackaLittleBit> goodnight 21:56:29 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@87.196.37.214] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:00:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4ada.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:18 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-230-134.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0/20120501201020]] 22:05:48 <Someus> We need 32-bit graphics :)))) 22:06:04 <Someus> My eyes hurt acutally :/ 22:10:10 *** Arendtsen [arendtsen@tux.nerdheaven.dk] has joined #openttd 22:16:27 *** Hazzard [~72f66135@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:16:28 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-104-61.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:13 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-153.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:40 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 22:25:25 *** kaenkky_ [~kaenkky_@212-226-40-14-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #openttd 22:26:59 *** kaenkky [~kaenkky_@212-226-40-14-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:06 <planetmaker> Someus: we have them. Partially. And we need people who draw and model and code them! 22:35:11 <Someus> are there? 22:35:16 <Someus> those people? 22:36:25 <Someus> It would be great to play 32bit graphics 22:36:29 <Someus> awesome :) 22:40:44 <Someus> How do you draw them? 22:42:44 *** kaenkky [~kaenkky_@212-226-40-14-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #openttd 22:43:47 *** kaenkky_ [~kaenkky_@212-226-40-14-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:45:53 <Someus> Adobe Photoshop? 22:46:08 <TinoDidriksen> Any way you like... 22:46:28 <Someus> I have no idea how to draw them :) 22:46:43 <Someus> It would be easier with hand 22:46:50 <Someus> pencil and paper :)))) 22:52:52 <Someus> quite a time 6 years :)))) 22:53:56 <planetmaker> then do that. And then scan it. 22:55:35 *** Nat_aS is now known as Nat_AFK 22:58:46 <Someus> :)))) 22:59:45 <Someus> What do you need to draw? 23:02:18 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d0826c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 23:03:30 <planetmaker> What do you miss? 23:03:44 <planetmaker> Which sprites have no 32bpp version and which you want to have one? ;-) 23:04:11 <Someus> Well you know the answer about sprites :) 23:04:18 <Someus> I don`t know which have no 32bpp version 23:04:22 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 23:05:39 <Someus> Did you code yourself? 23:06:12 <Someus> OpenTTD 23:11:58 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-33-242.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:13 *** Someus [~bumtac@212.93.105.3] has quit [] 23:34:20 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-101-227.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 23:34:33 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-02.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:35 *** KritiK [~Maxim@176.14.204.198] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:41:16 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 23:43:26 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd