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07:13:42 <andythenorth> all these steam ships 07:13:45 <andythenorth> and no smoke for them 07:20:04 <Markk> Puff puff, pass. 07:23:49 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 07:25:18 <andythenorth> "Something ought to be done about it" 07:35:13 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-063-209.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 07:36:06 *** andythenorth [~Andy@2002:4d66:7022:0:d49e:694:21ea:b8fc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:36:24 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:43:25 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 07:46:01 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:46:26 *** Strid__ [~Strid@c-9ac9e455.04-372-6c6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 07:46:48 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> larich.oftc.net quits: __ln__, LordPixaII, Knogle, @Belugas, SmatZ-, Strid_, Fawksie, Industrial, XeryusTC_ 07:48:05 *** Netsplit over, joins: XeryusTC_, SmatZ-, Fawksie, LordPixaII, Knogle, Industrial, __ln__, @Belugas 07:48:19 <planetmaker> good morning 07:49:48 <Alberth> moin 07:52:25 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has quit [Quit: Pulce sezrali] 07:56:15 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.73.220] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:56:30 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.73.220] has joined #openttd 07:57:48 <NGC3982> Morning, people and cephalopods. 07:58:01 *** Pulec [~pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has joined #openttd 08:01:16 <Warod> w 35 08:01:18 <Warod> asdf 08:02:21 <planetmaker> there are test channels... 08:03:46 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:08:18 *** Pulec [~pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has quit [Quit: Pulce sezrali] 08:11:17 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has joined #openttd 08:17:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:36:56 <__ln__> for swedophone people: https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s480x480/486680_427138160687471_368981908_n.jpg 08:37:19 <NGC3982> :D 08:37:22 <NGC3982> Hah. 08:39:00 <Knogle> haha 08:39:07 <Markk> haha 08:39:25 <Markk> But __ln__ isn't Swede, right? 08:39:46 <__ln__> of course not. 08:40:35 <__ln__> men den hela vÀrlden talar ju svenska, eller? 08:40:43 <Markk> -den 08:40:47 <Markk> Otherwise correct. :) 08:41:06 <Markk> WHy do you know (some) Swedish? :D 08:41:28 <__ln__> eftersom det Àr obligatoriskt att lÀra sig svenska i skolan hÀr. 08:42:24 <Markk> ah 08:42:27 <Markk> Are you finnish? 08:42:36 <__ln__> yes 08:42:46 <Markk> I thought that you were a German guy. 08:42:48 <Markk> Like the rest. 08:42:50 <Markk> :> 08:43:35 * Alberth is auch a German guy ausch der Niederlanden 08:43:42 <Alberth> s/a/ein/ 08:44:10 <Markk> :) 08:44:22 <Markk> Nederlands <3 08:44:23 <__ln__> Markk: a german guy like the rest of germans, dutch, unitedstatesian, and czech people in here 08:44:33 <Markk> Exactly! 08:46:37 * andythenorth is not a german guy 08:46:55 <Markk> Srsly? 08:47:04 <Markk> I though so. :D 08:47:11 <Markk> Is Eddi|zuHause the only one, or what? 08:47:26 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause is not german 08:47:42 <Markk> Swiss? 08:47:53 <NGC3982> __ln__ is a bit German, yet Finnish. 08:48:02 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause is from New Zealand 08:48:10 <andythenorth> planetmaker is Russian 08:48:30 * NGC3982 is from Ursa Major. 08:48:32 <Markk> But speaking of Das Bundesrepublik Deutschland, I met a (really cute) German girl for a couple of weeks ago. 08:48:41 <Markk> And she asked if I knew any German. 08:48:48 <andythenorth> this story will end badly I think 08:49:00 <Markk> (I can say some words and phrases, but not more than that). 08:49:04 <Markk> andythenorth: Ja genau. 08:49:17 <andythenorth> smoke! 08:49:18 <andythenorth> for ships! 08:49:47 <Markk> "Ich hÀtte lust mit groÃen tieren" 08:49:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:50:01 <Markk> hahaha 08:51:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:51:43 <__ln__> i've been speaking swedish with two different german persons during the past year. 08:51:58 <Markk> andythenorth: Was that a bit harsh? 08:52:29 <andythenorth> dunno, I dropped out the channel ;) 08:52:41 <Markk> I saw that. :) 08:52:49 <Markk> andythenorth: Do you speak German? 08:52:53 <andythenorth> nope 08:53:53 <Markk> Oki 09:00:21 <NGC3982> GetrÀnk 09:00:23 <NGC3982> And so on. 09:00:45 <NGC3982> My body do not house any systems that use the German language. 09:00:47 <__ln__> GebÃŒhreneinzugszentrale and so on. 09:02:41 <NGC3982> Although, we have some Andorians, some Edo's and a damned infestation of Ferengi. 09:02:59 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@127-062-045-062.static.caiway.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:03:05 <Knogle> Hot coffee is hot. 09:03:40 <Alberth> Hot pepper is not 09:03:50 <NGC3982> Markk is kinda hot. 09:07:13 <Knogle> How often are translation changes commited? if it's even an automated process. 09:07:45 <Alberth> once a day 09:08:21 <Knogle> ok 09:13:02 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:26:17 <Terkhen> good morning 09:26:36 <Alberth> moin 09:28:11 <Knogle> morning 09:30:04 <planetmaker> 19:45h CEST, Knogle 09:34:06 <Knogle> Thanks :) 09:36:57 <andythenorth> bonjour Terkhen 09:38:10 <TyrHeimdal> hej, hej allihopa! 09:39:11 <NGC3982> TyrHeimdal: Hej pÃ¥ dig ocksÃ¥. 09:39:28 <NGC3982> Lot's of Swedish here, today. 09:39:35 <NGC3982> Better replace my babelfish. 09:40:13 <TyrHeimdal> Well, I'm Norwegian, actually :P 09:40:18 <TyrHeimdal> just did that to throw you off ;) 09:43:33 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 09:48:38 <NGC3982> :P 09:54:44 <andythenorth> smoke! 10:13:47 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 10:35:12 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 10:41:29 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:47:46 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:48:57 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 10:54:44 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:55:04 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 10:58:31 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:19:21 <__ln__> oh, i've won the nobel prize. 11:19:38 <dada__> congratulations 11:20:16 <Alberth> unfortunately, you have to share it with many other people :p 11:20:21 <__ln__> i'm not sure i want it as it's the one usually given to war criminals. 11:20:46 <NGC3982> The peace price? 11:20:52 <__ln__> that one. 11:21:08 <dada__> ah yeah if I was given the peace price I'd probably ask "what did I do wrong?" 11:31:01 <NGC3982> I fail to see how a vague definition as peace can be given without controversy. 11:32:43 <Alberth> people don't form groups to kill people of other groups? 11:35:23 <dada__> I'm sure whatever definition anyone can come up with about peace, I'm sure it doesn't include arbitrary, extrajudicial killings though 11:35:25 *** efess [~Efess@ool-18bfeb53.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #openttd 12:13:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:39:34 <planetmaker> which person doesn't fit: Theodore Roosevelt, Winston Churchill, Jimmy Carter, Willy Brandt, Barack Obama, Mikhail Gorbachev? 12:40:07 <planetmaker> (and why?) :D 12:41:48 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:41:58 <V453000> EU? :) 12:42:31 <planetmaker> if it were a person, it would fit ;-) 12:42:56 <Eddi|zuHause> one of them is still alive? :) 12:43:12 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, actually more than one 12:43:18 <planetmaker> that I don't know... :-) 12:44:31 <Eddi|zuHause> afaik, Carter and Gorbi are still alive (and obama, obviously) 12:44:49 <planetmaker> indeed, I think that's true 12:45:04 <planetmaker> so "being alive" is not the criterion :-) 12:46:19 <planetmaker> Martti Ahtisaari would also fit 12:46:23 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-68-173-32-121.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:47:00 <planetmaker> as Kim Daw-jung 12:47:26 <planetmaker> and Nelson Mandela, Yitzhak Rabin and Frederik de Klerk 12:49:06 <Eddi|zuHause> according to wikipedia, churchill got the nobel price for literature 12:49:08 <dada__> I'd say willy brandt is the odd guy in that list because he didn't have the opportunity to kill people by the thousands-to-millions 12:49:15 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, won the cookie :-) 12:49:22 <dada__> actually, neither did gorbachev. 12:49:52 <Eddi|zuHause> well, gorbi did have the opportunity, but he didn't follow through 12:50:00 <planetmaker> all are politicians who governed a country and all but Churchill got the nobel peace price 12:50:43 <Eddi|zuHause> (otherwise i'd probably not be talking to you guys) 12:50:53 <planetmaker> very much indeed 12:52:05 <dada__> I'm not that well versed in soviet history, but it's my understanding that although he might have had the opportunity, the union was already largely decaying by that time, and there just was no use in trying to use such extreme violence to control people at that point 12:52:46 <dada__> would like to hear your view on that, since you were there 12:53:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i was 8... 12:53:43 <dada__> in 1989 when the wall fell I was 2, so :) 12:53:47 <planetmaker> when the first arms reduction treaty between Gorbachev and Reagon was signed I was about... 11 12:54:21 <planetmaker> unless my history knowledge is bad (quite likely) and I was even younger then ;-) 12:54:34 <dada__> that was 1991 12:54:46 <planetmaker> I think it was 1987 12:54:49 <dada__> unless you mean the ratification date in 1994 12:54:51 <dada__> hm 12:54:52 <dada__> let me check 12:55:01 <supermop> reagan wasn't president anymore in 91 12:55:12 <dada__> The treaty was signed on 31 July 1991 and entered into force on 5 December 1994.[1] according to wikipedia 12:55:45 <planetmaker> one treaty. But not the first ;-) 12:55:57 <dada__> oh, I thought you meant START 12:56:04 <planetmaker> http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2043087_2043088_2043108,00.html 12:56:18 <dada__> aha 12:56:22 <planetmaker> That's the first thing I remember to have seen on TV 12:56:46 <planetmaker> my mom or dad told me that it's supposedly a historic treaty. I think they were right 12:58:29 <planetmaker> as it's the beginning of the end of the cold war 12:58:35 <Eddi|zuHause> my memory of seeing something on TV in 1987 is of the "Sportfest" in Leipzig, where they had this huge number of people holding up coloured plates, so they become pictures when viewed from further away 13:05:08 <Eddi|zuHause> the next big thing on tv i remember is the railway parade in riesa 13:05:50 <Eddi|zuHause> which according to google was in april 1989 13:07:39 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:08:14 <dada__> come to think of it, I have no idea what my earliest memories of TV are 13:08:24 <Eddi|zuHause> (celebration was about 150 years of long-distance-railway Dresden-Leipzig) 13:08:35 <dada__> I would like to take that railway sometime 13:08:51 <dada__> I was gonna go to finland by rail a week ago, but plans didn't work out so we're gonna do it later 13:09:25 <dada__> (from the netherlands) 13:09:33 <Eddi|zuHause> they have brand new "Hamsterbacken" now 13:09:53 <Eddi|zuHause> for certain values of "brand new" :p 13:10:00 <dada__> i'm a bit skeptical about new trains. it seems that with every new generation of trains, the seats become less comfortable. 13:10:08 <dada__> or maybe that's only in the netherlands 13:10:20 <Eddi|zuHause> (they were standing for years on the railyard, because they didn't get approved for traffic) 13:11:10 <Eddi|zuHause> but Leipzig and Dresden are not exactly on a direct route from the netherlands to finland :p 13:11:57 <dada__> oh well, I will just play with my digital trains a bit more 13:12:42 <Eddi|zuHause> of course i have other memorys of TV, but they're more generic, so i can't place them on a timeline 13:14:42 <Eddi|zuHause> one memory is that we got a brand new colour tv (must be around christmas), and very quickly the sound died, so we had the old TV behind the sofa making the sound, and the new TV making the picture 13:15:06 <supermop> hehe 13:15:14 <supermop> that's ingenuity 13:16:15 <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably not easy to get a TV repaired around christmas/newyear 13:16:47 <Eddi|zuHause> back then, it wasn't even easy to get a TV in the first place 13:17:08 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:17:14 <supermop> i can imagine 13:18:09 <__ln__> zomg, i thought gdr and soviet electronics never failed because it wasn't designed with 'planned obsolescence' in mind. 13:18:28 <Eddi|zuHause> my mother told me that story once, she was standing in line in the TV store when it opened up. they said "we have 40 TVs", and then everybody stormed in, and whoever got their hand on the TV first would get it. 13:19:16 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: it might have involved me playing around with a magnet, but my memory is vague about that 13:19:16 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:19:40 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 13:19:43 <Eddi|zuHause> gtg now 13:22:59 *** Lakie [~Lakie@cpc3-wals9-2-0-cust51.wolv.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:29:41 <MNIM> magnets! 13:33:55 <si-m1> how do they work?! 13:38:21 <MNIM> ask O'Neill! 13:42:14 *** efess [~Efess@ool-18bfeb53.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:04:18 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 14:06:22 *** KouDy2 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 14:09:37 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:10:30 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-68-173-32-121.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:21 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:14:28 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 14:14:44 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:22:43 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d08fc2c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:28:08 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34:27 <Belugas> hello 14:40:43 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has joined #openttd 14:48:18 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-13-86.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:52:05 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 15:06:13 *** visitor47 [d5f90cb3@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:11:12 *** visitor47 [d5f90cb3@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:22:01 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 15:33:35 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 15:34:29 *** peter1138 [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has joined #openttd 15:34:32 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 15:34:33 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 15:35:36 *** efess [~Efess@ool-18bfeb53.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #openttd 15:49:17 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00b25b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:19:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:20:00 <andythenorth> smoke! 16:24:49 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:31:12 *** Beardie [~chatzilla@cpc7-pres16-2-0-cust242.18-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:31:25 *** Beardie [~chatzilla@cpc7-pres16-2-0-cust242.18-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 16:41:11 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.91.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:33 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.91.246] has joined #openttd 16:46:59 *** Pulec|XNB [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 17:03:22 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Now both CDist and FISH support autorefit, I can misuse them both rather more :-) 17:03:32 <FLHerne> Autorefittable trams, please :D 17:04:02 <andythenorth> FLHerne: yeah 17:04:04 <andythenorth> I'll just do that 17:04:18 <andythenorth> did you provide a spec yet? 17:08:48 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@254-058-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 17:09:27 *** Xaroth is now known as Guest1496 17:09:39 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Nope :P 17:09:39 *** Pulec|XNB [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 17:10:03 <andythenorth> let me know when you know what you want it to do 17:10:06 <FLHerne> Also, all my non-track CHIPS tiles have been replaced with what appear to be av8 seaplanes 17:10:14 <andythenorth> try upgrading to latest CHIPS 17:10:26 <FLHerne> I think I did 17:10:30 <andythenorth> also...did you switch it on and off again? 17:10:39 <FLHerne> Yes 17:10:45 <andythenorth> 1.0.1? 17:10:51 <FLHerne> Then I moved them up and down the grf-list... 17:11:16 <andythenorth> if it's a reproducible issue with 1.0.1 provide a report here: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/chips/issues 17:11:26 <andythenorth> it's likely a recurrence of a similar issue we thought fixed 17:11:37 <FLHerne> Yes, it's 1.0.1 17:11:39 <andythenorth> bad sprites on non track tiles right? 17:11:42 <FLHerne> Yup 17:11:49 <andythenorth> for all railtypes? or just some? 17:11:50 <FLHerne> Only intermittent, too 17:12:12 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Haven't tried that. One moment... 17:13:26 <FLHerne> All types 17:13:35 <andythenorth> k 17:13:38 <andythenorth> Yexo: :( 17:13:39 <FLHerne> Now some of them are water, and some have track on them :D 17:13:49 <FLHerne> Some have water, track *and* seaplanes :P 17:13:54 <andythenorth> sounds like more andythenorth-failure-to-provide-proper-offsets :( 17:14:06 <FLHerne> Well, it works sometimes 17:14:17 * FLHerne plays to find out what 'sometimes' means 17:14:41 <andythenorth> is it broken for buy menu? 17:14:49 <andythenorth> did you upgrade this game from CHIPS 1.0.0? 17:15:11 <FLHerne> Hey, I got an error :-) dbg: [sprite] Tried to load normal sprite #0 as a recolour sprite. Probable cause: NewGRF interference 17:15:18 * andythenorth leaving 17:15:21 <FLHerne> No, I didn't. Recently-started 17:15:30 <andythenorth> Yexo knows better what might cause this (I hope) :) 17:15:33 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Have fun :-) 17:15:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 17:19:02 <Yexo> FLHerne: which openttd version? 17:20:49 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.73.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:35 <FLHerne> Yexo: Current CDist (based off some recent svn version). I can try with the same NewGRF combination in stable if you wish 17:22:24 <Yexo> chips requires a recent openttd version 17:22:48 <Yexo> problem: the version check is probably missing (or not checking for recent enough version) and I have no clue what exactly the requirement is 17:25:16 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:27:41 <FLHerne> Yexo: It's based off r245xx? 17:29:29 <FLHerne> As in, within a couple of dozen revisions of the latest svn versio 17:40:31 <FLHerne> That's odd, saving (but not reloading) the game unglitches it temporarily :o 17:45:16 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24586 trunk/src/lang/danish.txt (2012-10-12 17:45:09 UTC) 17:45:17 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:18 <DorpsGek> danish - 59 changes by Knogle 17:45:18 <FLHerne> Oh well, I can always use my incomplete object version for that :-) 17:46:34 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b542:f21f:854e:242b] has joined #openttd 17:46:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:47:50 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-105-20.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:52:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A191B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:53:11 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-13-86.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:08:07 *** Biolunar_ [mahdi@blfd-4d08fc2c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:02 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d08fc2c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:28 *** tneo- is now known as tneo 18:32:28 *** DanMacK [~androirc@74.198.9.249] has joined #openttd 18:32:47 <DanMacK> Hey all 18:33:37 <DanMacK> Andy been around today? 18:34:06 <Lakie> About an hour 15 minutes ago? 18:34:48 <DanMacK> Cool. Might catch him tomorrow then 18:35:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host109-154-160-232.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:35:15 <andythenorth> smoke! 18:35:43 * Prof_Frink pokes DanMacK with andythenorth 18:35:44 <DanMacK> Were your ears ringing andy? 18:35:51 <andythenorth> lo DanMacK 18:35:52 <andythenorth> smoke! 18:36:29 <DanMacK> We have ship smoke? 18:36:47 <andythenorth> nope 18:36:55 <andythenorth> not in a way we can use ;) 18:37:01 *** DanMacK [~androirc@74.198.9.249] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37:13 *** DanMacK [~androirc@74.198.9.249] has joined #openttd 18:37:32 <DanMacK> Whats up w/the smoke? 18:38:10 <andythenorth> insufficient control 18:38:27 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=51378 18:40:56 *** DanMacK [~androirc@74.198.9.249] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43:38 <andythenorth> come back DanMacK 18:43:40 <andythenorth> won't you come back 18:44:33 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Smoke? WHat changed? 18:44:37 <andythenorth> oh when are you coming back? 18:44:50 * FLHerne remembers andythenorth moaning about the stuff at regular intervals :P 18:45:33 <andythenorth> yeah you better hurry back 18:45:35 <andythenorth> DanMacK 18:45:52 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Mack 18:52:20 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-92-17.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:59:45 <andythenorth> FLHerne: are you using a patched OpenTTD with the CHIPS bug> 18:59:46 <andythenorth> ? 19:10:42 <FLHerne> andythenorth: I'm sure I mentioned that. Yes. 19:10:48 <andythenorth> k 19:10:50 * FLHerne tries with an svn version 19:10:51 <andythenorth> all bets are off then 19:14:11 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Repeatable with trunk r24545 19:14:18 <andythenorth> good 19:14:22 <FLHerne> Which is what I happen to have just now :P 19:14:27 <andythenorth> screenshot + post a report? 19:14:36 <andythenorth> with your newgrf list too I guess 19:15:45 <FLHerne> Screenshots have a built-in one, don't they? 19:16:17 <andythenorth> dunno ;) 19:17:56 <FLHerne> devzone, or thread? 19:17:59 <FLHerne> Do you care? 19:27:16 <FLHerne> One of my nice flocks of airliners: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=53362&p=1049934#p1049934 19:30:09 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host11-216-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:30:25 <Wolf01> 'lo o/ 19:36:55 <andythenorth> FLHerne: devzone 19:39:03 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Too late, I threaded it :P 19:39:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6C595.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:40:25 <FLHerne> Anyway, I forgot my devzone password :P 19:40:40 <FLHerne> Sure I registered at some point... 19:44:06 *** Lakie [~Lakie@cpc3-wals9-2-0-cust51.wolv.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: .] 19:44:22 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-92-17.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:46:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C890.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:47:20 *** SmatZ- is now known as SmatZ 19:47:32 <planetmaker> FLHerne, if you know your account name, I can reset it... 19:48:05 <FLHerne> planetmaker: I can't remember that for sure either :P 19:48:22 * FLHerne isn't a frequent devzone user ;-) 19:49:12 <andythenorth> can reset your own password :P 19:49:59 <FLHerne> Oh well, I will just continue to play OTTD 19:50:15 * andythenorth wonders 19:50:22 <FLHerne> I have newobjects that provide the same sprites anyway :D 19:50:22 <andythenorth> how much capacity to give the big paddle steamer 19:50:29 <andythenorth> RL is 920 19:50:34 <andythenorth> currently I have 620 19:50:36 <planetmaker> did you provide your correct real name, FLHerne (if so which?)? 19:50:42 <andythenorth> maybe it should be more 19:51:02 <FLHerne> Well, it might be FLHerne or lowercase equivalent :P 19:51:08 <planetmaker> nope 19:51:16 * FLHerne isn't sure :-( 19:51:22 <Yexo> email? 19:51:26 <FLHerne> Perhaps I should make another :-) 19:51:55 <FLHerne> andythenorth: What's the small(er) PS? 19:52:01 <andythenorth> 248 19:52:12 <andythenorth> this one is intended as a significantly bigger ship 19:52:19 <andythenorth> not just 'a bit more' 19:52:23 <andythenorth> this is 'a lot more' 19:52:37 <FLHerne> Yeah, 600ish sounds good. I could use that 19:52:57 * FLHerne has seven of the existing kind on a 15-tile trip currently 19:53:37 <FLHerne> A Josephine-size PS would be nice :-) 19:53:47 <FLHerne> Perhaps a little bigger - 120-odd 19:55:31 <andythenorth> got a pixel editor? 19:55:45 <FLHerne> Yes, but I'm not very good with it yet :P 19:56:05 * FLHerne is on one sloped groundtile a fornight :-) 19:56:32 <FLHerne> I could have a go sometime, I guess 19:57:10 <andythenorth> there is a long list of ships to draw 19:58:08 <FLHerne> Yay! 19:58:20 * FLHerne would like more shipping variety :-) 19:58:52 <FLHerne> How come river barges in the 1920s are 50% faster than ocean-going ships? 19:59:55 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-193-92.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has left #openttd [] 20:00:59 <andythenorth> hmm 20:01:00 <andythenorth> point 20:01:06 <Belugas> going with the current? 20:01:10 <andythenorth> need some older barges 20:01:21 <planetmaker> you can build ships longer. You don't need to attribute for ... sea conditions 20:01:36 <andythenorth> the early ocean-going ships are probably too slow :P 20:01:46 <Belugas> barges were toed by horses? 20:01:47 <planetmaker> 10 knots :-) 20:01:52 <andythenorth> they have to be slower to provide stats progression in the newer ships 20:01:55 <andythenorth> :P 20:02:03 <andythenorth> law of ottd is 'bigger, faster' 20:02:06 <Belugas> there is no sea-horse powerfull enough to tow a boat 20:02:24 <planetmaker> :-) 20:02:39 <andythenorth> "lol" 20:02:51 <Belugas> [16:01] <andythenorth> law of ottd is 'bigger, faster' <- my wife's wish, too... 20:03:35 <andythenorth> FLHerne: if you pull the FISH repo and build, you get a new boat 20:06:53 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:30 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:09:41 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-088-072-101-039.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:09:43 <FLHerne> Stupid networking 20:09:49 <andythenorth> smoke! 20:09:58 <andythenorth> frosch123: smoke! 20:10:10 <andythenorth> I ....could.... try and write a patch for it :P 20:10:12 <FLHerne> fonsinchen: CDist works nicely with autorefit now, thanks :-) 20:10:29 <planetmaker> andythenorth, you should pester Hirund0 :-P 20:10:33 <fonsinchen> good to hear that. It was kind of a fight ... 20:10:41 <andythenorth> he got bored of me last time I did that :( 20:11:45 <andythenorth> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4263 has some ideas 20:11:58 <FLHerne> fonsinchen: Now I can create the most overconvoluted network ever! :-) 20:12:19 * FLHerne plans to link every industry on the map to every other one :-) 20:12:30 <fonsinchen> There is one inherent problem in autorefit. I don't know if it's also there in trunk 20:12:56 <FLHerne> fonsinchen: Which is? 20:13:02 <fonsinchen> If you send a vehicle with the "wrong" cargo to a station that's never been visited by the "right" cargo it won't refit to the right cargo. 20:13:12 <fonsinchen> instead it will wait forever. 20:13:20 <FLHerne> That seems like it might be intentional 20:13:23 <andythenorth> that's in trunk 20:13:35 <andythenorth> iirc 20:13:36 <planetmaker> what's "wrong" cargo? You mean something which might be picked up but never has been? Yes, that's in trunk, too 20:13:44 <FLHerne> Otherwise it would be impossible to take only one cargo from some kinds of industry 20:13:45 <andythenorth> it's very odd 20:13:48 <planetmaker> Might be intention 20:13:53 <fonsinchen> TIn cargodist this is escalated a bit 20:14:02 <andythenorth> if more newgrfs supported autorefit, I think it would be reported as a bug more often 20:14:06 <fonsinchen> It's done by next hop 20:14:07 <planetmaker> But can be annoying in some cases. But so would be changing that. Possibly in more 20:15:21 <fonsinchen> So even if cargo is produced for the station, if for a long time no vehicle with the same next hop has transported the cargo and a vehicle comes with the "wrong" it won't be refit to the "right" one. 20:15:28 <fonsinchen> Maybe I'm nitpicking, though. 20:16:52 <FLHerne> fonsinchen: I think I noticed that early on, actually 20:17:14 <FLHerne> Back when I only had a few vehicles, so wait times were enormous 20:17:31 <frosch123> fonsinchen: known, it is meant to be solved by explicitly triggering accepting at a station 20:17:32 <FLHerne> Not a major problem now though 20:18:20 <FLHerne> andythenorth: I screenshotted some of your ships :-) http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=164896 20:18:34 * FLHerne needs to stop plugging screenshots :P 20:19:00 <FLHerne> Those barges are 5mph faster than the coasters :P 20:19:23 <fonsinchen> Be careful not to say "I'll shoot some of your planes". Police might come visiting. 20:20:03 <FLHerne> :D 20:20:19 <FLHerne> andy hasn't drawn any yet though...? 20:20:39 <FLHerne> A HEQS-style planeset would be awesome :D 20:20:55 <FLHerne> An-225s and Belugas and the like 20:21:12 <frosch123> didn't the russian planeset do something like that? 20:21:41 <FLHerne> Perhaps. I haven't tried enough planesets :P 20:21:58 <FLHerne> I only use av8 for the helos and airships, really :P 20:30:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host109-154-160-232.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:38:52 <frosch123> night 20:38:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00b25b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46:22 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:47:44 <Belugas> hhm? 20:47:56 <Belugas> ho... not me, the other one.. 20:48:04 * Belugas splashes 20:49:58 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-172-44.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:00:38 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 21:01:01 <Knogle> evening 21:01:25 <Rubidium> morning 21:02:00 <LordAro> evening 21:06:29 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.91.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:32 <LordAro> question: in a hexdump of a file, i have "F0 D2 00 00". I know that this, in normal numbers, equals "54000" 21:09:38 <LordAro> how to get this (in c++) 21:09:40 <LordAro> ? 21:10:17 <LordAro> i have the 'characters' themselves in a std::string already... 21:10:36 <LordAro> note: D2F0 == 54000 21:10:49 <Rubidium> you're reading the hexdump or the binary file? 21:11:05 <LordAro> the binary file, but that is what the hexdump says about it 21:11:59 <Rubidium> int32_t i; fread(&i, sizeof(i), 1, fh); 21:12:07 <Rubidium> not really c++ 21:12:22 <LordAro> the chars themselves are apparently (in order) -16, -46, 0, 0 21:12:42 <Rubidium> hmm, isn't there like an int32_t i; fin << i; that could do the trick? 21:13:07 <LordAro> (previous) not really, especially since i'm using ifstream, rather than the old style FILE 21:13:13 <LordAro> i don't know... 21:13:33 <LordAro> i already have: "return (int)arr[offset] + ((int)arr[offset + 1] << 8) + ((int)arr[offset + 2] << 16) + ((int)arr[offset + 3] << 24);" 21:13:58 <LordAro> that works for most of them, but apparently not for this... :L 21:14:10 <Rubidium> I'd use int32_t i; ifstream_variable >> i; 21:17:27 <Rubidium> if you're reading bytes, then 1) cast then to unsigned char before casting them to anything else; otherwise you'll get sign extension, 2) or the chunks otherwise you might get into a mess with the sign as well 21:18:10 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 21:18:13 *** chester_ [~chester@95-25-93-237.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:20:59 *** BenTrein [~bentrein@82-168-140-232.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:22:12 *** BenTrein [~bentrein@82-168-140-232.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:32:09 *** tom47407 [5c0a3a1b@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:32:17 <tom47407> How do I chat in multiplayer 21:32:32 <planetmaker> press enter and type away 21:42:02 <LordAro> Rubidium: done all that, but still getting "-11792" instead of "54000" :( 21:42:52 <planetmaker> don't use signed ints :-) 21:43:27 <planetmaker> and a 4-byte int... is often rather a long int, I recon. not sure, depends a bit on your platform 21:44:56 <LordAro> i'm currently using 'long' as the file specification says, should i use something else? 21:45:15 <planetmaker> ulong 21:46:53 <LordAro> or unsigned long, if i haven't bothered with typedefs :P 21:47:06 *** tom47407 [5c0a3a1b@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:47:11 <planetmaker> for instance ;-) 21:47:17 <LordAro> well, it's a different number: "18446744072936751104" 21:47:19 <LordAro> :L 21:47:38 <planetmaker> @calc 2**32 21:47:38 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 4294967296 21:47:47 <planetmaker> can't be bigger... 21:47:55 <planetmaker> if you read 4 bytes 21:47:59 <LordAro> interesting... :L 21:48:09 <planetmaker> @calc 2**64 21:48:09 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 18446744073709551616 21:48:17 <planetmaker> you read 8 bytes :-) 21:50:28 <LordAro> odd :L 21:50:35 <LordAro> i'm certain i didn't 21:51:14 <LordAro> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1781/ <-- or am i doing it wrong? 21:53:01 <planetmaker> LordAro, you add bytes 0-7 + bytes 1-8 + bytes 2-9 + bytes 3-10 21:53:30 <planetmaker> assuming that unsigned long is 8 bytes for you 21:53:38 <LordAro> ha :L 21:53:45 <LordAro> 'unsigned short' then? 21:54:04 <planetmaker> (byte) 21:54:18 <LordAro> maybe that too :L 21:55:24 <LordAro> or, as it turns out, (char) 21:55:39 <LordAro> (apparently there is no byte in c+ ;) ) 21:58:33 <LordAro> hmm. still no change: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1782/ 21:59:44 <LordAro> edit: fix! 21:59:55 <LordAro> needed to be unsigned char, rather than just char 22:00:00 <LordAro> ...and i'm going now 22:02:31 <Kjetil> why doesn't the file specification you mention use stdint-types ? 22:08:02 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-172-44.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:19 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:31 <FLHerne> Oh, andy's gone :-( 22:18:49 <FLHerne> Do people think that a plastics plant in 1920 may be a bug? 22:31:03 <TrueBrain> didnt know plastic grew on plants 22:31:24 <FLHerne> TrueBrain: English language. Weird. :P 22:31:34 <TrueBrain> trolling; fun :D 22:38:53 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39:01 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 22:42:23 <Wolf01> 'nighty night 22:42:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host11-216-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:43:13 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-088-072-101-039.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:17 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:43 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:31 *** KouDy2 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:47:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A191B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]