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way 07:00:33 <andythenorth> line 07:00:39 <Supercheese> 1s are just vertical lines 07:01:36 <__ln__> agreed, they are 07:03:44 <__ln__> since 2004 school kids over here have been taught not to draw the middle-horizontal line for 7, and that's a big mistake in my opinion. 07:07:05 <andythenorth> in the UK it's non-standard to bar the 7 07:07:37 * andythenorth was taught to do it though - bad handwriting 07:08:14 <__ln__> no bar leads to situations like this: http://hs11.snstatic.fi/webkuva/taysi/960/1305614210240 07:08:31 <Supercheese> It's a bit like starting floor numbering as Ground floor, then First floor above it, Second, etc. 07:08:42 <Supercheese> vs. First floor at ground, Second above it, Third, etc 07:09:09 <Supercheese> I wish everyone would do it the same way -- same with 7s 07:10:04 <andythenorth> [shrug] 07:10:09 <andythenorth> monoculture is boring 07:15:34 <__ln__> i don't know if it's even cultural; the floor numbering seems to vary even within one country. 07:15:34 *** 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some scrap metal/plastic/whatever 07:39:20 <Rubidium> to model the extracting of useful supplies from the garbage 07:40:04 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.77.152] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:41:57 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 07:42:07 <andythenorth> ah 07:42:12 <andythenorth> this is a producing industry 07:42:19 <andythenorth> it just produces scrap metal 07:42:26 <andythenorth> there is no junk input :) 07:42:36 <andythenorth> I figure it 'harvests' its own junk 07:43:47 <peter1138> __ln__, that's a 78 07:45:05 <__ln__> probably, but not certainly enough 07:46:29 <peter1138> is for me, the line across the top of the 7 is way too long to be a 1 07:51:26 <Terkhen> good morning 07:53:50 <andythenorth> hola Terkhen 08:03:55 *** tycoondemon [tycoondemo@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:04:36 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda 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Valete omnes 09:04:07 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 09:12:02 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 09:12:02 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:15:42 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:15:47 *** kero [~keikoz@1.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 09:17:32 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:17:35 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 09:17:52 <Alberth> moin 09:18:31 <andythenorth> lo Alberth 09:18:38 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-60-225-68-124.hhui1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:18:41 * andythenorth wonders if planetmaker is awake yet 09:19:19 <Alberth> awake probably, available here is a different matter :) 09:23:50 * LordAro waves at Alberth 09:24:28 * Alberth waves back from #freerct 09:27:08 <LordAro> :P 09:27:19 <LordAro> i did it for the benefit of everyone else :) 09:27:50 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:36:21 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 09:48:00 *** Pulec|MCM [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 09:51:28 *** Psyk [~Psyk@ip-78-102-213-65.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:56:21 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 09:59:38 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:18:53 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:19:02 <andythenorth> poke Yexo 10:19:08 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 10:30:09 *** roadt__ [~roadt@114.96.131.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:47 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.80.47] has joined #openttd 10:32:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AFB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:34:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4e7f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:35:03 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a83-163-71-116.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:37:00 <Alberth> quak 10:38:40 <frosch123> moin 10:43:31 * andythenorth could use a report on which permanent storage is in use for an industry 10:43:42 <andythenorth> reading all code to figure out it is...not exciting :P 10:44:38 <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't look particularly healthy: http://transphoto.ru/photo/545548/ 10:44:38 <andythenorth> FIRS does use identifiers instead of numbers, but I can't be sure if they're used comprehensively :P 10:45:07 <frosch123> can't you grep for the assignment operator? 10:45:20 <frosch123> and just check which use numbers 10:45:27 <andythenorth> yup 10:45:30 <andythenorth> that will do 10:50:54 <andythenorth> solved 10:58:34 * andythenorth needs a not-stupid variable name 10:58:42 <andythenorth> for a modified version of production_rate_1 and production_rate_1 10:58:46 <andythenorth> production_rate_2 * 10:59:48 <andythenorth> hmm 10:59:53 <andythenorth> better idea 11:00:02 <andythenorth> irc really is like teddy bear coding :P 11:00:02 <Alberth> next_rate ? 11:00:29 <Alberth> this teddy bear sometimes talks back :p 11:00:54 <andythenorth> :) 11:01:22 <andythenorth> I shoud just get a bear 11:02:40 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:07:55 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:07:55 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:12:30 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:12:30 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:26 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-65.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 11:14:24 <andythenorth> prod_multiplier is an array of up to 2 ints 11:14:27 <andythenorth> how do I get the first int 11:14:28 <andythenorth> ? 11:14:36 <andythenorth> nml refuses prod_multiplier[0] and prod_multiplier(0) 11:14:43 <andythenorth> and I can't find anything in docs 11:17:58 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:58 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:18:16 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:19:25 <andythenorth> reading nml src, not actually sure there is anything to read prod_multiplier 11:19:35 <andythenorth> setting it is a custom function 11:20:15 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-65.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:26:47 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 11:27:56 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:27:57 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:13 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:31:13 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:38:45 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:43:23 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 11:43:23 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:43:28 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:46:19 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-60-225-68-124.hhui1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:52:29 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:52:30 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:21 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-98-217.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:05:03 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-63-69.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:10:13 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-65.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:10:13 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:11:16 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:15:37 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15:48 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:18:36 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:18:36 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:21:22 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:21:22 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:22:14 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@2001:828:405:30:83:96:177:42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:22:44 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-012-083.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 12:22:59 <andythenorth> rm * .orig is not same as rm *.orig :P 12:23:31 <^Spike^> let me guess... it had trouble finding the .orig file? :) 12:23:46 <andythenorth> :P 12:23:53 <andythenorth> now has trouble finding some other files too 12:24:54 <^Spike^> ;) 12:25:25 <Ammler> just ignore such files 12:26:07 <Alberth> that works until you have more .rej and .orig files than source files :P 12:26:36 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@2001:828:405:30:83:96:177:42] has joined #openttd 12:31:43 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:56 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:38:30 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39:11 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:43:56 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:43:56 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48:57 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:48:57 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:49:54 <andythenorth> FIRS secondary industries - industry window text states default production ratios 12:50:07 <andythenorth> i.e. "2t cargo out per 8t coal delivered" etc 12:50:26 <andythenorth> should they show _current_ production ratios? 12:51:22 <Alberth> would seem useful, wouldn't it? 12:51:36 <andythenorth> not sure how to do it without spamming the window 12:51:45 <andythenorth> I don't want a stats-smorgasboard :P 12:52:33 <andythenorth> I think it's needed though 12:53:53 <Alberth> you could abstract away from actual values 12:54:04 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3359/industry_window.png 12:54:05 <Eddi|zuHause> "Recently delivered: Coal, Steel; Current conversion ratio: 4/8" 12:54:35 <andythenorth> ^^ the first 4 lines of that window are utterly pointless 12:55:07 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, they are. it's hardcoded they appear when the production callback is used 12:55:14 <andythenorth> with the full power of hindsight, making the industry window text depend on production cb was done by someone smoking crack 12:55:29 <andythenorth> at the time, I'm sure it was a nice new feature :) 12:55:33 <Alberth> or using ECS :) 12:56:15 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: yes, it's a legacy problem, but how to change it without breaking everything? 12:57:07 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57:54 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 12:58:35 <frosch123> https://secure.openttd.org/wiki/Frosch/New_Results#CB_37:_Industry_window_acceptance.2Fcargo_text 12:58:43 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: plaster a new cb over the top, giving full control of industry window 12:58:50 <andythenorth> i.e. newgrf has a blank canvas 12:59:09 <frosch123> yay, NewCanvas support! 12:59:19 <andythenorth> :P @ frosch123 12:59:24 <frosch123> grfs should be able to draw stuff using Lines, instead of only sprites 12:59:25 <Eddi|zuHause> or just add a "suppress stockpile display" flag? 12:59:39 <andythenorth> or that 12:59:47 <andythenorth> frosch123: charts... :P 12:59:50 <andythenorth> seriously 12:59:58 <Eddi|zuHause> NewGraphs 13:00:05 <andythenorth> we have a winner 13:00:22 <frosch123> andythenorth: minimap 13:00:32 <frosch123> grfs should be able to draw lines on the minimap 13:03:57 <Eddi|zuHause> to mix with the ones from cargod*st? 13:07:30 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 13:07:30 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:51 * Alberth adds GSes 13:08:12 <Alberth> stir heavily :) 13:08:22 <andythenorth> ¿ wrt FIRS, "Current cargo production" and then show current ratios? 13:08:47 <andythenorth> and maybe change the last string to be more useful? 13:09:04 <andythenorth> [screenshot gives context] 13:10:29 <Eddi|zuHause> can NewGRFs do CargoLists as string parameters? 13:11:35 <frosch123> that's already a hack for gs:p 13:11:36 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12:22 <andythenorth> I could do some kind of colour coding, red / green etc for current production level 13:12:29 <andythenorth> colour for information sucks though 13:13:10 <Eddi|zuHause> that's totally stupid 13:13:53 <Alberth> low production levels are not dangerous :p 13:14:00 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 13:15:09 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Hyronymus] 13:16:22 <andythenorth> indeed 13:17:46 <andythenorth> can't think of any good solutions 13:17:57 <andythenorth> there's no need for players to understand the mechanic in detail 13:18:05 <andythenorth> deliver all cargos regularly, get higher production 13:18:06 <andythenorth> is all 13:18:26 <Alberth> seems fine to me 13:19:08 <Alberth> just make a http://wiki.firs.org/GameMechanics page for people in need of detailed understanding :p 13:19:26 <andythenorth> http://wiki.openttd.org/FIRS 13:20:19 <frosch123> yup, who plays anyway 13:20:22 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:20:27 <andythenorth> not me :P 13:20:29 <frosch123> players can just refer to the offline handbook 13:20:30 <frosch123> or the source 13:20:33 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 13:20:46 <frosch123> online help is just a temporary phenomenon 13:21:01 <frosch123> it will vanish with the touch screen era 13:21:16 <andythenorth> I can touch my screen 13:21:17 <frosch123> symbols are enough 13:21:22 <andythenorth> just fingerprints though 13:21:36 <Alberth> symbols and some handwaving :) 13:21:52 <andythenorth> I am running out of FIRS distractions. 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<Rubidium> andythenorth: show FIRS to andy 2.0 and andy 2.1? 14:25:44 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:25:57 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:26:24 <Rubidium> or make a toyland version 14:27:06 <Rubidium> [farm] -> <organic foods> -> [blender] -> <baby food> -> [baby] -> <soil nutrients> -> [farm] 14:27:48 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-27-23.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:29:08 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:33:30 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:12 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:37:33 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.80.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:37:33 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 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[~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01:46 <frosch123> make sure not to mix up the position of the blender in the chain 15:02:06 <Alberth> +1 15:02:57 <Eddi|zuHause> as in "what's orange and turns red when you push the button?" :p 15:03:05 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.80.47] has joined #openttd 15:03:09 <andythenorth> orange babies? 15:03:14 <andythenorth> what have you been feeding them? 15:03:22 <Eddi|zuHause> carrots, maybe :) 15:03:31 <andythenorth> "soil nutrients" are pre-blended in my experience btw 15:03:37 <Eddi|zuHause> what do i know about babys anyway :p 15:04:24 <andythenorth> about as much as I know about constructing a tree function? 15:04:27 <frosch123> you should know it from the first person view 15:04:30 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:41 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:04:49 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but i don't seem to be able to remember that :p 15:08:32 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:08:32 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:10:58 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 15:12:57 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:15:05 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:15:05 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16:26 <andythenorth> right 15:16:27 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16:37 <andythenorth> so FIRS needs a port industry (and / or warehouse) 15:16:38 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:16:46 <andythenorth> it's been suggested about 7 times, including by me 15:17:31 <andythenorth> can't rely on just 'port', some maps don't have sufficient water 15:18:06 <andythenorth> solution to that? 15:18:09 <Eddi|zuHause> "international/container trading post" 15:18:18 <andythenorth> customs post 15:18:26 <Eddi|zuHause> my city also has a "port", even though no ships can reach it :) 15:18:27 <andythenorth> Railroad Tycoon has 'warehouses' 15:18:43 <Eddi|zuHause> at least no ships of a size that would make it worthwhile :) 15:18:57 <andythenorth> 'Import / Export Facility' ? 15:19:53 <Alberth> I'd make that separate from an industry set 15:19:59 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:20:11 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:20:31 <Alberth> a big ware house of 8x8 tiles or so :) 15:21:19 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, that reminds me of another (orthogonal) parameter: large/small industry layouts 15:21:59 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: make smallFIRS :p 15:22:23 <Alberth> or "steroidsFIRS" :) 15:22:35 <Eddi|zuHause> armstrongfirs! :p 15:22:58 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I'm favouring small layouts where possible :P 15:22:59 <Alberth> sounds like a feasible economy 15:29:44 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:30:27 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:30:49 <andythenorth> bbl 15:30:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:33:49 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:33:49 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:51 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:34:52 *** kero [~keikoz@1.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: kero] 15:39:19 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 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reset by peer] 16:20:48 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:21:47 *** DanMacK [DanMacK@CPE602ad091690d-CM602ad091690a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 16:25:49 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:36 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:03 <DanMacK> o/ 16:35:51 <Kylie> soi tried to run trains between 3 small towns 16:36:05 <Kylie> but sadly 16:36:09 <Kylie> not enough profit 16:36:21 <DanMacK> Buses are usually better to start 16:36:34 <Kylie> good point, heh 16:37:47 <Eddi|zuHause> "advanced": send busses from the outskirts of the town to the train station with "transfer and leave empty" orders, that way, it's easier to get the train full 16:39:03 <Kylie> well, this is a maglev network 16:39:17 <Eddi|zuHause> that has nothing to do with anything :) 16:39:26 <Kylie> they are expensive 16:39:44 <Kylie> they require expensive trsains. expensive trains = huge ridership 16:39:45 <__ln__> *buses 16:40:21 <__ln__> i wonder if "bi" would be an acceptable plural.. 16:40:26 <Kylie> soim just connecting to the station with buses and we will see if that works 16:42:39 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:43:36 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a83-163-71-116.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:45:27 <Kylie> lol wow 16:45:27 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:33 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a83-163-71-116.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:45:56 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:45:58 <Kylie> sounds like the north station requires a lot of buses 16:46:10 <Kylie> streetcar upgrade time 16:51:58 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52:42 *** Pixa 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I don't have the GUI screen 17:08:55 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 17:09:40 <DanMacK> just black 17:12:06 <frosch123> hmm, i lack context :p what has that to do with devzone? 17:12:29 <frosch123> anyway, virtualbox just runs for me, no idea why there should be some 32bit switch? what would be the other option? 17:12:32 <frosch123> 16bit? 17:13:08 <DanMacK> 24 17:13:26 <DanMacK> I'm using Foobar's guide for setting up... :P 17:13:35 <frosch123> well, if you run it in windowed mode, it should just do anything, shouldn't it? 17:13:47 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:14:16 <frosch123> can you give me a link? so i can actually see what you are trying to do :p 17:14:37 <DanMacK> one sec, I may have solved it... took some digging 17:15:12 <DanMacK> He suggests installing Fedora on a Virtual Machine 17:15:51 <DanMacK> Although that may be for nml compiling as well 17:16:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:16:29 <DanMacK> reading on, looks like that's just for compiling grfs 17:16:33 <DanMacK> Hey Andy 17:18:08 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:18:10 <andythenorth> so 17:18:13 <Alberth> nml runs on almost anything 17:18:20 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:18:32 <andythenorth> frosch123 industry layouts with custom terraforming...think it will ever happen? 17:18:33 <frosch123> but you will need "make" and "cpp" for most stuff 17:18:36 <Alberth> evenink andy 17:18:39 <andythenorth> DanMacK is drawing mines... 17:18:44 <Alberth> and python and pil :) 17:18:51 <frosch123> andythenorth: i hope it will happen somewhen :p 17:19:38 <Alberth> andythenorth: I hope not the pointy black ball-like ones 17:20:34 <andythenorth> the 'needs to go on a certain hillside' kind :) 17:21:57 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:21:57 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28:26 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:28:27 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:29 <DanMacK> BBIAB 17:29:30 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:33 *** DanMacK [DanMacK@CPE602ad091690d-CM602ad091690a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 17:32:54 <andythenorth> was the idea to return tile corner heights? 17:33:08 <andythenorth> [from the layout definition] 17:33:11 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:33:28 <frosch123> check the wiki 17:34:03 <frosch123> and corner heights from layout is troublesome, since there are more corners than tiles 17:34:22 * andythenorth reads 17:34:30 <frosch123> so, either it is redundant, or misses stuff 17:36:36 <Eddi|zuHause> you can define tile height as the north height, but you need additional "void" tiles at the southern corners (that's how it's done internally) 17:36:47 <andythenorth> returning slope makes sense, as per wiki 17:36:49 <andythenorth> https://secure.openttd.org/wiki/Frosch/New_Results#Slope_information_in_industry_layout 17:37:03 <andythenorth> I prefer doing it in layout 17:37:06 <andythenorth> to cb 17:37:10 <andythenorth> I think 17:37:16 <andythenorth> dunno if that's a good implementation though 17:39:01 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:39:17 <andythenorth> seems to me to be intrinsic to layout 17:39:39 <andythenorth> whereas a cb requires first checking layout, then position, which creates a lot of varact 2 17:40:00 <andythenorth> unwieldy 17:40:46 <andythenorth> hmm 17:40:52 <Eddi|zuHause> runtime-wise it's rather unimportant, since it's only a user-initiated action, so it's not very often 17:41:17 <andythenorth> grf writing time, varact 2 is a lot of work 17:41:21 <Eddi|zuHause> or it's a very rare repeated function 17:41:26 <andythenorth> I could template that, others might not :P 17:41:42 <frosch123> andythenorth: it all depends on the usecase :p 17:41:48 <frosch123> a property can also be a lot of work 17:41:55 <andythenorth> can we define the use case? 17:42:08 <andythenorth> I thought the wiki had it covered tbh ;) 17:42:46 <frosch123> imagine a number of new objects, which all have the same slope shape, but look differently 17:42:56 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: example: the industry consists of 3 2x2 houses, which in itself must be at the same (foundation-)height, but between them, the height difference is irrelevant 17:42:58 <frosch123> for the property you need a preprocessor or copy and paste 17:43:05 <frosch123> for the cb, you can do it with grf methods 17:43:26 <Eddi|zuHause> a property might not be flexible enough 17:43:52 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: that does not matter 17:44:14 <frosch123> in any case ottd would take the industry location, then resolve the info for all tiles, and then check with own magic 17:44:24 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.80.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:44:32 <frosch123> so, the only thing that cbs have more is checking "location", and date and such stuff 17:44:47 <frosch123> and possibly other future variables similar to "layout" or whatever 17:45:03 <frosch123> properties otoh are always quite fixed, and cannot be extended 17:45:36 <frosch123> so, imo the question is, what variables are actually needed, and is that selection likely to change 17:45:36 <andythenorth> how are tilegroups assigned / defined? 17:45:59 <frosch123> ofc we can always reserve some flag in the property, which means: call cb for this tile :p 17:46:09 <frosch123> andythenorth: some byte? 17:46:13 <frosch123> 0 = "none" 17:46:22 <frosch123> it does not exactly matter, does it? 17:47:12 <andythenorth> wondering if it was a property, or some new construct 17:47:34 <andythenorth> doesn't matter 17:47:50 <frosch123> if it is a property, then the whole layout stuff is in one property 17:48:00 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.203] has joined #openttd 17:48:07 <DanMacK> Hey all 17:48:09 <frosch123> likely replacing the old layout property, instead of adding to it 17:48:38 <frosch123> however, it also remains open whether to tie the construction-check with the autoslope-check and the foundation-drawing thingie 17:48:42 * DanMacK thinks he missed something interesting 17:48:53 <Alberth> @logs 17:48:53 <DorpsGek> Alberth: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 17:49:21 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:50:24 <Alberth> would it make sense to consider a property for most 'normal' cases, and have a cb for special cases? 17:50:48 <frosch123> yeah, except the "normal" is so difficult :p 17:51:49 <Alberth> you could hide some magic in nml perhaps 17:52:18 <Alberth> but that needs a more readable form of specifying 17:53:54 <frosch123> well, you could say we do everything via callback, and nml allows to specify callback results via a layout-like matrix :p 17:54:16 <frosch123> let's see, i do not even know the nml syntax for layouts 17:54:47 <frosch123> hmm, looks like a switch 17:55:08 <frosch123> andythenorth: why do you consider a cb more work than a layout? 17:55:19 <frosch123> the nml syntax looks the same for both, doesn't it? 17:56:50 <frosch123> it's "position": "value" 18:00:00 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:00 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:17 <Alberth> a 2D representation would be better :p 18:00:50 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:00:53 <Alberth> but that is just a change in syntax 18:04:16 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.20.184.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04:33 <frosch123> anyway, imo cb/property is not that important; the questions of what needs to be part of it sounds more pressing :) 18:05:24 <DanMacK> That would definitely make industry layouts more interesting 18:05:24 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:33 <frosch123> i.e. how to combine or separate the construction check with/from autoslope and foundation drawing 18:09:03 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:10:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:10:44 <DanMacK> Was it something we said? 18:11:49 <DanMacK> So or just committing to devzone tortoisehg/mercurial should be sufficient? 18:12:29 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:13:43 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:13:43 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:36 <Alberth> the current setup needs a precise match; enabling autoslope would already a step forward, and enabling terraforming to make things fit would be heaven? 18:15:29 <Alberth> in the latter case you could aim for minimal terraforming and do the remaining parts with autoslope 18:15:32 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15:43 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:18:23 <Alberth> imho just enabling autoslope would be enough for now 18:18:24 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:18:37 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:18:56 <DanMacK> Bbl 18:19:03 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.203] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:02 <frosch123> Alberth: what do you mean exactly? 18:23:05 <frosch123> hmm, i think we fail at the term "autoslope" 18:23:29 <frosch123> with that i mean terraforming industry tiles by the player after construction 18:23:38 <frosch123> (possibly adding foundations) 18:24:43 <Alberth> ah, ok, autoslope is for me adding a foundation, like when building a depot at a non-flat tile 18:25:24 <frosch123> yeah, autoslope is a weird term from ttdp 18:25:25 <Alberth> but it is very defendable to always do terraforming to make an industry fit the terrain 18:25:34 <frosch123> no idea what the actual idea was behind that idea 18:26:20 <frosch123> *that term 18:26:55 <Alberth> it adjusts slopes automagically :) 18:27:19 <frosch123> http://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/AutoSlope <- i always thought it was a bad term :p but it also was the only term :p 18:28:06 <Alberth> haha, something entirely different! :D 18:28:38 <Alberth> you call my form of autoslope 'adding a foundation' ? 18:28:53 <frosch123> i call it "drawing a foundation" :p 18:28:57 <Alberth> sounds much better :) 18:29:29 <Alberth> yeah it does not get really added 18:29:50 <frosch123> foundations do not really exist, they are only an imagination of the renderer :p 18:31:15 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:31:15 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:34:04 <Alberth> to recap: drawing foundations would help a lot already I think, the ultimate would be to terraform to match the layout, where you can choose between doing terraform all the way, or do minimal terraform (and maximal foundation drawing) 18:35:04 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35:16 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:35:23 <Alberth> tbh I slightly favour full terraforming, I don't trust the imaginary foundations to be strong enough for the heavy industry :p 18:35:52 <Alberth> on the other hand, we also do foundation drawing under an airport, so my argument does not really hold 18:36:15 <frosch123> well, we already draw foundations/terraform for flat industries 18:36:43 <Alberth> we do? cool 18:36:46 <frosch123> hmm, i said that ambivalent 18:37:02 <frosch123> we terraform for industries which need flat land 18:37:17 <frosch123> and we draw flat foundations for tiles which want one 18:37:32 <frosch123> those two options are independent 18:38:07 <frosch123> but there is nothing for sloped industries or sloped foundations 18:38:17 <frosch123> and autpslope is currently only "yes" or "no" 18:38:31 <frosch123> esp. with sloped industries there is basically only the "no" option 18:40:16 <Alberth> afaik specifying a sloped layout in NFO is a nightmare, so now with NML is the first time it becomes feasible. 18:40:55 <Alberth> thus the need for autosloping sloped industries has never been very high 18:41:03 <frosch123> well, there are different things which might add up in nml 18:41:30 <frosch123> one issue is checking the slope, which is the same in nml and nfo wrt. "complicatedness" 18:41:33 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:42:03 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:42:11 <frosch123> the other issue is to draw an industry on any slope, which needs adv. spritelayouts. this is relatively new and can be used in nml by great advantage 18:42:24 <frosch123> but it is so new, that i do not know any nfo grf which uses it 18:42:30 <frosch123> everything since then has used nml 18:42:43 <frosch123> (though i am not up-to-date with ecs developement) 18:44:44 <frosch123> [19:35] <Alberth> tbh I slightly favour full terraforming, I don't trust the imaginary foundations to be strong enough for the heavy industry :p <- btw. all default industries stand on foundations :p 18:44:47 <frosch123> even the mines 18:44:55 <frosch123> (when using autoslope) 18:45:07 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:19 <Alberth> does ttdp support the advanced spritelayouts? if not, that could be a reason to refrain from using it 18:45:29 <frosch123> ofc it does not 18:45:39 <frosch123> but ecs dropped ttdp support 4 years ago 18:45:59 <frosch123> adv. spritelayout should be newer than the latest ttdp commit 18:46:00 * Alberth never digs near industries :p 18:46:54 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24677 /trunk/src/lang (7 files in 2 dirs) (2012-11-10 18:46:41 UTC) 18:46:55 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:46:56 <DorpsGek> danish - 13 changes by Knogle 18:46:57 <DorpsGek> korean - 3 changes by telk5093 18:46:58 <DorpsGek> latvian - 8 changes by Parastais 18:46:59 <DorpsGek> polish - 5 changes by wojteks86 18:47:00 <DorpsGek> russian - 1 changes by Lone_Wolf 18:47:01 <DorpsGek> spanish - 2 changes by Terkhen 18:47:02 <DorpsGek> tamil - 4 changes by aswn 18:47:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:47:33 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-106-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:48:59 <andythenorth> frosch123: cb is more work because first a switch is needed for checking which layout num, then a switch per layout to find tile position 18:49:26 <andythenorth> which is already the case in the graphics chain 18:49:40 <andythenorth> so changing one item might mean changing in 3 places 18:50:15 <andythenorth> I can template all of that, so I don't care 18:51:06 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d082d40.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:51:59 <Eddi|zuHause> so maybe layouts should become a feature, then they can have callbacks of their own? 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20:41:51 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r24685 /trunk/src (5 files in 2 dirs) (2012-11-10 20:41:45 UTC) 20:41:52 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Add resolver classes for rail types. 20:42:20 <__ln__> why isn't 'hice' the plural of 'house'? 20:42:25 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r24686 /trunk/src (3 files in 2 dirs) (2012-11-10 20:42:19 UTC) 20:42:26 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Add resolver classes for airport tiles. 20:42:56 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r24687 /trunk/src (newgrf_airport.cpp newgrf_spritegroup.h) (2012-11-10 20:42:50 UTC) 20:42:57 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Add resolver classes for airports. 20:43:47 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r24688 /trunk/src (newgrf_generic.cpp newgrf_spritegroup.h) (2012-11-10 20:43:40 UTC) 20:43:48 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Add resolver classes for generics. 20:44:08 <__ln__> is this an attempt to get more cake sooner? 20:44:16 <frosch123> 212 20:44:17 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r24689 /trunk/src (4 files in 2 dirs) (2012-11-10 20:44:10 UTC) 20:44:18 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Add resolver classes for industries. 20:44:44 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r24690 /trunk/src (7 files in 2 dirs) (2012-11-10 20:44:38 UTC) 20:44:45 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Add resolver classes for industry tiles. 20:45:10 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r24691 /trunk/src (4 files in 2 dirs) (2012-11-10 20:45:04 UTC) 20:45:11 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Add resolver classes for vehicles. 20:46:04 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r24692 /trunk/src (23 files in 2 dirs) (2012-11-10 20:45:59 UTC) 20:46:05 <DorpsGek> -Cleanup: Cleanup final parts of the old resolver code. 20:46:45 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r24693 /trunk/src (24 files) (2012-11-10 20:46:39 UTC) 20:46:46 <DorpsGek> -Doc: Add some doxymentation into the newgrf code. 20:46:53 <frosch123> 207 :) 20:48:26 * Alberth tries to remember what he wanted to change in the code :p 20:48:52 <frosch123> industry amounts or something like that 20:49:11 <MNIM> heya guys, I could have sworn this was in the wiki, but I can't find it any more. Where can I find what corners get you what speeds? 20:49:17 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 20:49:30 <Alberth> something in that direction indeed :) 20:50:08 <frosch123> https://secure.openttd.org/wiki/Curve#Recommended_distances_between_corners 20:50:13 <Alberth> MNIM: http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Trains ? 20:50:40 <frosch123> yeah that table looks better 20:50:48 <frosch123> i wonder what nonsense the other table displays :o 20:53:55 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:56:25 <Supercheese> Ack, 13 new entries in commit RSS 20:56:45 <frosch123> only 13? 20:56:54 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 20:56:56 <Supercheese> refreshing 20:57:34 <Supercheese> yeah, only 13 20:57:58 <Supercheese> still, rather much for a ~10 minute burst 20:58:23 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.199] has joined #openttd 20:58:52 <MNIM> thanks! it's a bit hard to find. Wouldn't a link to it from the junctions or train building page be a good idea? 21:00:23 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: it hasn't broken any of my patches ;) 21:02:58 *** Markavian [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:04:22 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a83-163-71-116.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:39 *** SpBot [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 21:11:40 *** doki_pen [~doki_pen@doki-pen.org] has joined #openttd 21:11:50 *** snorre [~snorre@c4A06BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has joined #openttd 21:12:20 *** marine_sfsf [~G25@217.25.31.130] has joined #openttd 21:12:43 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn60-236.yok.fi] has joined #openttd 21:13:07 *** brambles [xymox@grip.espace-win.org] has joined #openttd 21:13:50 * andythenorth -> bed 21:13:55 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 21:19:26 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:55 *** marine_sfsf [~G25@217.25.31.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:53 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:34:26 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:38:56 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:56:20 <MNIM> Whoops. I was working on improving the throughput of a heavily used line and instead of improving it I crashed two trains in a place where I can't easily make a detour. 21:57:13 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:58:02 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:59:02 <MNIM> http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/1/1/2248324/OTTD/Sendtown%20Transport%2C%2011th%20May%201959.png 21:59:48 <MNIM> oh wait, I can make a detour. got that access lane there. 22:00:16 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 22:00:17 *** Pulec|MCM [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 22:02:49 <Eddi|zuHause> why does the electrification end in the middle of nowhere? 22:05:21 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:06:05 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:06:19 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:06:37 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09:11 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:51 <MNIM> Eddi: work in progress. 22:14:33 <MNIM> well. long term progress, really. Focussing on throughput, economy and connecting smaller towns first before electrifying the whole line. 22:15:33 <MNIM> Currently only one shorter sideline is completely electrified. 22:16:38 <MNIM> the mainline that runs from north to south via the eastern corner of the 1024^2 map is mostly non-electrified 22:17:54 <MNIM> the part of the screenshot is the busiest part, on the east-south leg between some large industries. 22:18:28 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:09 <Alberth> haha, the ECS coal mine runs out of coal and then a month later finds new coal, twice already :) 22:19:23 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:20:44 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:31 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Hyronymus] 22:23:46 <frosch123> Alberth: it's just a normal procedure to get rid of some employees 22:24:06 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> resistance.oftc.net quits: Sacro, efess, pugi, Fuco, Rubidium, lugo, CornishPasty, Cybertinus, Progman, Ammler, (+53 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 22:24:16 *** Netsplit over, joins: Flygon, perk11, eQualizer, snorre, doki_pen, murr4y, Hirundo, Ammler, ^Spike^, @planetmaker (+53 more) 22:25:05 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:17 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:25:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v peter1138] by ChanServ 22:25:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v Yexo] by ChanServ 22:25:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v Terkhen] by ChanServ 22:25:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 22:25:36 *** Netsplit solenoid.oftc.net <-> reticulum.oftc.net quits: Sacro, efess, pugi, luckz, brambles, Fuco, kero, Rubidium, lugo, CornishPasty, (+99 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 22:25:48 *** Netsplit over, joins: Flygon, @orudge, welshdragon, jonty-comp, XeryusTC, @SmatZ, __ln__, Markk, Arendtse1, xaroth (+99 more) 22:25:51 <MNIM> Oh jay, net splats. 22:26:01 <frosch123> also a method to get rid of people 22:26:08 <MNIM> SYLOOOOQ! 22:26:14 <MNIM> oh wait. wrong network. 22:28:28 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> kinetic.oftc.net quits: OwenS, xQR, @Yexo, dihedral, neli, dfox, neofutur, joho, blathijs, TinoDidriksen 22:28:36 *** Netsplit over, joins: TinoDidriksen, dfox, dihedral, blathijs, @Yexo, xQR, neli, OwenS, neofutur, joho 22:28:36 <Alberth> good night 22:31:24 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> coulomb.oftc.net quits: SpComb^, tneo, Mek_, George, ToBeFree, Osai^2, NGC3982, luckz, Kurimus, brambles, (+17 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 22:32:22 *** Netsplit over, joins: SpComb^, SpComb, George, LordAro, lobster, brambles, ToBeFree, tneo, confound, Kitty (+17 more) 22:33:12 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:37:13 <Terkhen> good night 22:37:21 <DorpsGek> Commit by michi_cc :: r24694 trunk/src/roadveh_gui.cpp (2012-11-10 22:37:14 UTC) 22:37:22 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r18136): Road vehicle selection frame wasn't drawn properly in the depot window. 22:37:25 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 22:44:06 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:44:06 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:44:56 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:11 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:51:15 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 23:07:35 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host217-43-119-167.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:33:00 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:05 <frosch123> night 23:37:15 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4e7f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:18 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.20.184.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 23:58:01 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]