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00:00:16 *** DDR [~chatzilla@184.71.170.250] has quit [] 00:36:22 *** LordAro [~LordAro@sns61-129.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:50:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6BAEB.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51:15 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-52-6.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:55:24 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-52-6.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 01:01:26 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.96.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:01:44 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.96.87] has joined #openttd 01:13:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f79c7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:32:20 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:40:09 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 01:42:37 *** Twofish [~Thorbjorn@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:43:12 *** Twofish [~Thorbjorn@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 01:44:36 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDD87F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Sturmi] 02:00:44 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 02:38:00 *** DDR [~chatzilla@S01060019dbe06285.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 02:45:28 *** kristal [~quassel@198-91-175-49.cpe.distributel.net] has joined #openttd 02:51:33 <kristal> I've done something so awful I will never release it... 3D TTD... it's like dropping a nuke and vaporizing of the nostalgia factor and charm of the game. 02:52:27 <Supercheese> change the sprite-drawing method to support steroscopic layers? 02:52:30 <Supercheese> changed* 02:53:15 <kristal> No, voxel conversions. 02:53:28 <kristal> Little vans made of cubes. 02:53:42 <Supercheese> ah 02:53:50 <kristal> It all falls apart when things go diagonally... 02:53:55 <kristal> oh god 02:54:43 <kristal> I wonder, is a VPS with 128MB of RAM (30MB used by OS) enough for a medium server? 02:54:56 <Supercheese> no idea 03:21:56 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:22:12 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 03:42:50 *** kristal [~quassel@198-91-175-49.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:51:21 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 04:05:51 *** kristal [~quassel@198-91-175-49.cpe.distributel.net] has joined #openttd 04:13:24 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.103.188] has quit [Quit: adisubliminal messagirc] 04:17:16 *** lovergirl [lovergirl@MTRLPQ3704W-LP140-02-1279325894.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 04:17:18 <lovergirl> http://Fun4Days.com/sms/sms.php?share=178616 04:17:19 *** lovergirl [lovergirl@MTRLPQ3704W-LP140-02-1279325894.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [] 04:21:43 <kristal> totally not a fishing link 04:32:54 *** kristal [~quassel@198-91-175-49.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:41:41 *** kristal [~quassel@198-91-175-49.cpe.distributel.net] has joined #openttd 04:48:12 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.96.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD55F5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD453C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:25:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 05:25:06 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 05:51:13 *** nex259 [~nex259@ZD082073.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 06:16:13 *** DDR [~chatzilla@S01060019dbe06285.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 06:20:22 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@g225186231.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 06:23:54 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-52-6.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:24:56 <planetmaker> moin 06:27:32 *** Jomann [~abchirk@e179141198.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:42:05 *** Japa [~Japa@117.214.4.119] has joined #openttd 06:47:17 <Pikka> boin blanetbaker 06:50:04 <V453000> helo :) 06:54:29 <planetmaker> oh, a Pikka, salut :-) And salut V as well :-) 06:59:42 <V453000> moo moo 07:00:50 <planetmaker> heritage vehicle set: horse-towed mail carriage. cow-towed cargo wagons. horses as express passenger transport :D 07:00:57 <planetmaker> and dragons as express flight :D 07:01:13 <planetmaker> hell of many animations necessary there 07:02:20 <V453000> nothing is impossible to happen :) 07:03:34 <Pikka> flying cows and 07:03:59 <Pikka> wombatbuses 07:04:41 <kristal> Is there a zepplin plugin? 07:04:42 <planetmaker> +1 Pikka :D 07:06:41 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/dux.png :> 07:06:44 <V453000> its alive 07:06:49 <V453000> hm the link isnt yet :D 07:06:56 <V453000> now iz 07:08:19 <planetmaker> omg! 07:08:40 <peter1139> Canals with signals :S 07:08:48 <planetmaker> all those poor ducklings 07:08:53 <planetmaker> slave-labour! 07:09:41 <V453000> :) 07:13:46 <V453000> peter1139: you dont have to build signals :P 07:13:54 <V453000> with Slight disadvantages, but still :D 07:27:05 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:28:05 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 07:31:08 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:32:28 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 07:40:01 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:47:09 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.159.76] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]] 08:08:51 *** tststst [~id@37.140.123.203] has joined #openttd 08:11:17 <Terkhen> hello 08:20:46 *** kristal [~quassel@198-91-175-49.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:21:16 *** kristal [~quassel@198-91-175-49.cpe.distributel.net] has joined #openttd 08:41:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18354.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:48:26 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:00:39 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 09:04:09 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 09:13:29 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:13:32 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 09:19:07 *** kristal [~quassel@198-91-175-49.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:20:45 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDD53C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:22:07 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:32 *** LordAro [~LordAro@sns61-129.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 09:35:32 <Alberth> moin LordAro 09:35:46 <LordAro> /o Alberth :) 09:43:56 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:49:32 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-164-48-240.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:50:35 <wakou2> good morning ottders. 09:51:41 <wakou2> Could someone please help me with my memory, On here people were discussing bridges, and someone linked to a German website for bridge enthusiasts... 09:51:52 <wakou2> Ring any bells? 09:52:01 <Alberth> @log 09:52:15 <Alberth> hmm, wrong magic word :p 09:53:39 <Alberth> http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/last?count=50 anyway, this log may be helpful 09:53:51 <Alberth> otherwise, I have no idea 09:54:29 <wakou2> TY Albert :) It was a long time ago...... 09:54:41 <wakou2> Are you German Alberth? 09:54:59 <Alberth> http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/ ? 09:55:18 <Alberth> wakou2: no, and neither am I ottder :) 09:55:26 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:56:23 <wakou2> Alberth: No, it was a site about bridges IRL, pictures and information about european bridges, staistics, architects dates etc 09:57:04 <Alberth> oh, a usual off-topic topic thus :) 09:57:24 <Alberth> I don't remember it, so I wasn't there, I think 09:57:38 <LordAro> @logs 09:57:38 <DorpsGek> LordAro: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 09:57:43 <LordAro> ^Alberth ;) 09:58:00 <Alberth> LordAro has all the magic words :) 09:58:18 * LordAro tested with a pm to DorpsGek first ;) 09:59:01 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 09:59:19 <Alberth> you're too much awake at this time :) 10:00:40 <LordAro> it is odd indeed :p 10:01:52 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:08:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6BAEB.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:20:01 <wakou2> I think I found it... http://www.brueckenweb.de/2content/datenbank/listen/laenderindex.php#.Uk_jp_ER34k 10:20:51 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-52-6.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:21:05 <wakou2> Would there be a word in De. for a person who likes bridges? In Eng. I guessed at pontophile, but that apparently means favouring the deep ocean. 10:35:02 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:41:37 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:01:40 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 11:20:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7103.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:26:54 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-164-48-240.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:31:22 <Alberth> o/ 11:35:10 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:38:51 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:52 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:44:32 <frosch123> moin 11:46:48 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: reboot] 11:52:14 *** Japa [~Japa@117.214.4.119] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52:36 *** Japa [~Japa@117.214.4.119] has joined #openttd 11:58:02 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 12:24:14 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 12:35:17 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:42:01 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:48:16 *** Japa [~Japa@117.214.4.119] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48:57 *** Japa [~Japa@117.214.4.119] has joined #openttd 13:10:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18354.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:45 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has joined #openttd 13:19:16 *** zooks [~zooks@54185AF7.cm-5-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:35:29 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:40:52 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 13:42:07 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:42:36 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:42:39 *** zooks [~zooks@54185AF7.cm-5-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:57:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:35:38 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:42:20 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:45:14 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:48:35 *** SpComb^_ [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 14:49:09 *** EyeMWing [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [] 14:50:32 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:50:34 *** Japa [~Japa@117.214.4.119] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:50:45 *** SpComb^_ is now known as SpComb 15:01:59 <LordAro> this is awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPRA0W1kECg 15:03:22 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:03:28 *** jjavaholic__ [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 15:03:56 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 15:07:43 *** zooks [~zooks@54185AF7.cm-5-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:08:52 *** jjavaholic_ [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:19:49 <frosch123> LordAro: make a 10 hour video of bogo sort 15:20:15 *** jjavaholic_ [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 15:20:25 <LordAro> it'd be interesting if it managed to solve a list of that size in that time ;) 15:20:43 <LordAro> bogobogo sort sounds more fun, anyway :p 15:26:00 *** jjavaholic__ [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:26:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:34:59 <oskari892> Did someone work on different size and -layout towns? 15:35:43 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:37:22 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-24-105-140-5.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:37:32 <supermop> hi 15:37:58 <oskari89> In addition of current ones 15:38:28 <supermop> can railtypes have custom foundations? 15:38:51 <supermop> or custom ground sprites? 15:40:27 <frosch123> you can make the gravel cover more of the ground sprite 15:40:40 <frosch123> but railtypes were specifically designed to work with different landscape sets 15:40:49 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:41:00 <supermop> hmm 15:41:20 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:41:39 <frosch123> https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action3/Railtypes#cargo-type <- anyway, that's the list of stuff you can replace 15:41:52 <supermop> when rails are built on a foundation, do they just reference the plain grass sprite to be their ground sprite? 15:42:09 <frosch123> railtypes do, yes 15:42:25 <frosch123> the foundations themself do not include any grass 15:42:30 <supermop> ah oh well 15:42:49 <frosch123> they are the same for houses and industries 15:43:08 <supermop> i was hoping i could have a railtype use a clear blue foundation 15:44:11 <supermop> or have some combination of groundsprite and foundation to make the rail look like it was built on a little viaduct alongside the slopr 15:44:19 <supermop> namely for monorail 15:45:14 <supermop> as the idea of building a retaining wall, backfilling with earth, then digging out a channel for the monorail to run through looks a bit silly 15:45:50 <supermop> it would be neat if you could use custom sprites to make it look like the monorail was built slightly elevated along the slope 15:46:00 <supermop> hmm 1 sec i will try to draw 15:46:56 <frosch123> i know what you mean :) 15:50:01 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:50:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 15:52:26 <oskari89> Hmm..... 15:53:06 <oskari89> I'm thinking that if changing snowlines are possible, would it be possible to have frozen sea level and rivers too? 15:53:30 <oskari89> Though ships would look a little strange to plow trough ice 15:54:55 <frosch123> frozen rivers are possible 15:55:14 <frosch123> i think ogfx+ might actually have them 15:55:19 <frosch123> or maybe also only canals 15:55:53 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-64-103.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:00:20 <supermop> frosch123: so this is not really possible? 16:00:22 <Flygon> It'd be nice if OpenTTD had far more climate flexibility 16:00:22 <supermop> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=48605&p=1099069#p1099069 16:00:43 <Flygon> It'd be nice if, for example, that beautiful 2048*2048 map of North America didn't have a Mexico with snow in it 16:00:54 <frosch123> supermop: only for stations :p 16:01:00 <supermop> sigh 16:01:07 <Flygon> Last I checked, Roswell wasn't exacty sub-arctic :p 16:04:08 <supermop> is there any desire for non-station items to have custom foundations in the future, or would that be a bad idea? 16:07:00 <supermop> i wonder if there is a better way to fake an alweg style monorail 16:21:06 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:25:24 <oskari89> I'd say... 16:25:38 <oskari89> Roadtypes could be nice :) 16:26:06 <oskari89> Towns could have connections to each other with gravel roads 16:27:12 <oskari89> And industries could have automatical connections with gravel roads to "main roads" between towns 16:27:30 <oskari89> Limited speed of course, so one couldn't use them too easily 16:27:53 <oskari89> 70-80 km/h or so 16:28:24 <oskari89> Scenery looks quite plain without any additional roads between towns 16:28:38 <oskari89> After scenario generation 16:28:50 <oskari89> And industries look lonely too 16:29:20 <oskari89> One could convert those roads to asphalt roads with a tool :P 16:30:32 <oskari89> When implementing roadtypes, one could make also diagonal roads 16:31:16 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.53.200] has joined #openttd 16:31:46 <Alberth> ever tried drawing them at a grid? 16:33:30 <frosch123> or as dalestan asked 6 years ago: can you imagine 4 road vehicles in parallel on one tile 16:35:50 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:40:24 <oskari892> I think overlays should solve grid-issues :P 16:41:16 <oskari892> As it is the case with railtypes 16:42:37 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:45 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:47:49 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:47:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:50:01 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host180-136-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:50:27 <Wolf01> hello 16:53:19 <Alberth> hello 16:56:02 *** apiecux [~apiecux@ui89-892t.21z4-ee.ldti.srv.parano.me] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:11:07 *** permagreen [~donovan@204-195-27-175.wavecable.com] has joined #openttd 17:35:58 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:42:42 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:16 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:22 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25812 trunk/src/lang/brazilian_portuguese.txt (2013-10-05 17:45:16 UTC) 17:45:23 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:24 <DorpsGek> brazilian_portuguese - 4 changes by Tucalipe 17:45:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:45:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 18:07:46 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDD53C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Sturmi] 18:13:45 <oskari89> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=40844&start=920 18:14:37 <oskari89> I wonder how "far away" the moreheightlevels patch is of trunk inclusion? :) 18:15:06 <Rubidium> at least 50 trunk bug fixes? 18:17:32 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.159.76] has joined #openttd 18:20:15 *** DDR [~chatzilla@S01060019dbe06285.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 18:26:02 <oskari89> :P 18:34:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:36:06 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:38:33 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 18:39:20 <andythenorth> so is there any reason I shouldn't code train wagons as articulated vehicles, composed of n 1/8 long parts 18:39:21 <andythenorth> ? 18:39:39 <Supercheese> Strange interaction with air drag effects 18:39:47 <Supercheese> one wagon should generate x drag 18:39:55 <Supercheese> but an articulated "single" wagon does not do that 18:40:04 <supermop> make the bogies separate from the car body 18:40:08 <Supercheese> it generates, presumably, somewhere around 2x drag 18:40:28 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDD53C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:40:29 <Supercheese> so you have to faff around with extra callbacks to "fix" that 18:40:48 <Supercheese> or set the drag lower in properties...? 18:40:53 <andythenorth> hmm 18:41:07 <Supercheese> lemme find the Pikka-post 18:41:35 <Supercheese> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1054201#p1054201 18:42:44 <Supercheese> so yeah, set the drag lower by 1/x, where x is number of articulated parts 18:42:48 <Supercheese> might fix things 18:42:51 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:42:55 <andythenorth> hmm 18:42:59 <andythenorth> ok 18:44:01 <Supercheese> Pikka just removed the articulation entirely: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1057951#p1057951 18:44:31 <Supercheese> I dunno if he tried to fix it and it wasn't easy, or he just said "meh, lame feature anyway, not worth coding fixes" 18:45:39 <andythenorth> gah 18:46:05 <andythenorth> I'm trying to provide vehicles with lengths between 4/8 and 10/8 18:46:15 <andythenorth> and the only way to do 10/8 is articulated 18:47:01 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:47:23 <michi_cc> andythenorth: Use the CETS code generator? 18:47:42 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 18:48:50 * Supercheese wonders how CETS handles the air drag business 18:50:12 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: how are you handling 10/8 vehicles? 18:50:16 <andythenorth> or at least > 8/8? 18:50:24 * andythenorth has been baffled for days by this 18:50:34 <Supercheese> I can think of a few ways 18:50:45 <Supercheese> 1) Use invisible parts to fix the spacing 18:50:50 <Supercheese> 2) Split bogies 18:50:59 <Supercheese> 3) Split wagon itself (would look odd) 18:51:24 <andythenorth> oh I'm using invisible parts 18:51:26 <andythenorth> that bits 18:51:27 <andythenorth> easy 18:51:35 <andythenorth> the problems are: 18:51:54 <andythenorth> - I assume I have to put the sprites on the center vehicle, not the lead 18:52:11 <andythenorth> which makes the code byzantine, and prevents use of loading / loaded sprites in normal way 18:53:09 <andythenorth> - some vehicles have tenders 18:53:14 <michi_cc> The CETS script contains magic to split the graphics into three parts for straight movement (which also makes tunnels not glitch), but displays a single sprite on the center vehicle during turning (and of course with more turning stages). 18:53:35 <andythenorth> so having a 10/8 articulated engine, (two 1/8 invisible parts) followed by a visible part is hard to specify 18:53:53 <michi_cc> All vehicles have three parts, no matter which size as this is necessary for the turning angles anyway. 18:54:28 <andythenorth> what about case above - steam engine with tender? 18:55:35 <michi_cc> Two three parts vehicles. 18:55:51 <andythenorth> ok that could work 18:56:23 <andythenorth> do articulated vehicles have any performance implications? 18:56:59 <michi_cc> Everything has performance implications :p 18:57:08 <andythenorth> significant ones? :P 18:58:11 <michi_cc> No. 18:58:21 <andythenorth> ta :) 19:04:08 <Supercheese> Is CETS... nfo?! 19:04:38 <Supercheese> I can't find any processed nml output 19:06:43 <michi_cc> It's python, i.e. all NML output is generated during make 19:09:41 <Supercheese> any final nml output anywhere? am I just missing it at bundles? 19:10:21 <Supercheese> ah, there's one of an old revision 19:10:39 <Supercheese> Whew, 8.8 MB 19:10:41 *** tststst [~id@37.140.123.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:21:27 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.105.25] has joined #openttd 19:22:47 <michi_cc> In the newest CETS revisions NML was degraded to an intermediate step as compiling the set from a single NML file takes too long. Nowadays the "prefered" way to do build it is by using a patched nmlc to output NFO that is concatenated and fed to grfcodec (e.g. http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cets/push/v4954-2/cets.nfo) 19:23:20 <Supercheese> I figured something like that may be the case 19:23:40 <Supercheese> Hmm 19:30:16 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:36:19 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:42:56 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:43 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:13:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:23:49 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, basically each engine gets an nml file, which is processed by nmlc to nfo, then from the nfo the common headers are split off to get a combined nfo file, which is the again handled by grfcodec 20:27:31 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 20:28:22 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:36:26 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:37:53 <Supercheese> Well, how does CETS hangle the air drag coefficients for articulated vehicles? 20:38:12 <Supercheese> Set invisible parts' to zero? 20:39:01 <frosch123> doesn'T only the front part define air drag? 20:39:14 <Supercheese> See the pikka post I linked above 20:39:51 <Supercheese> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1054201#p1054201 to be precise 20:42:39 <frosch123> ah, each artic part increases air drag by 0.15 20:43:29 <frosch123> how weird 20:43:42 <frosch123> what is the idea behind that? 20:43:45 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:43:48 <Supercheese> Dunno 20:43:51 <frosch123> or should it be train length instead? 20:43:59 *** Twofish [~Thorbjorn@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:44:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i think there was some weirdness with air drag, which was "solved" by decreasing it 20:44:13 <Eddi|zuHause> but that was oberhÌmers doing 20:44:19 <frosch123> this->gcache.cached_air_drag = air_drag + 3 * air_drag * number_of_parts / 20; 20:44:43 <frosch123> air_drag is from the front, it is scaled by (1 + 0.15 * num_train_parts) 20:44:52 *** Twofish [~Thorbjorn@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 20:45:36 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and that can't fully be scaled by dividing air drag 20:45:48 <Eddi|zuHause> so it's probably unsolvable 20:46:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the name of the commit was something like "reduce air drag so vehicles can reach their top speed" 20:46:32 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.105.25] has quit [Quit: Truly, the end of days.] 20:47:20 <frosch123> what has that to do with the formula above? 20:48:26 <frosch123> what's the idea behind airdrag being affected by number of parts? 20:48:30 <frosch123> it is about the train length 20:48:37 <frosch123> or is it about the gaps between wagons? 20:48:58 <frosch123> one could replace the num_parts with either the real length, or with number of wagons (not counting artic parts) 20:49:38 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: yes, i think the reasoning is gaps between wagons 20:50:05 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: not counting articulated parts may make sense 20:50:23 <Eddi|zuHause> was this ever specified anywhere? 20:50:40 <frosch123> not that i know of 20:54:57 <frosch123> otoh, using multiple artic parts for a single wagon is a more modern usage of artic parts 20:55:11 <frosch123> it used to be multiple wagons which are just bought together 20:57:55 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:00:27 *** xaver [~xaver@d536258d.access.ecotel.net] has joined #openttd 21:00:48 <xaver> hi, how can i change via rcon the engine_renew setting 21:01:13 <frosch123> that's a company setting 21:01:35 <frosch123> you need to join a company, then change it via the normal settings gui 21:01:43 <frosch123> the server has no such setting 21:01:58 <frosch123> resp. none that would matter 21:05:24 <Eddi|zuHause> well, can the server join companies? :) 21:06:06 <Taede> [22:05:33] <@Taede> !rcon move 1 1 21:06:06 <Taede> [22:05:34] <Lestat> ERROR: Silly boy, you cannot move the server! 21:09:54 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 21:10:59 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c83-253-81-174.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 21:12:01 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6D7A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:20:57 <oskari892> How funny 21:22:09 <oskari892> "Assertion failed at line 672 of c\bamboo-agent-home\xml-data\build-dir\ottd-nightly-w64bit\src\widget_type.h: num >= 0 21:22:11 <oskari892> " 21:22:48 <oskari892> When clicking "object" button 21:23:54 <frosch123> there is likely a fix of that already on fs 21:23:58 <frosch123> just noone comitted it 21:24:25 <frosch123> i recall sbr posting a diff 21:24:55 <LordAro> so commit it? :p 21:25:46 <frosch123> i always plan to review all the bugs "tomorrow" 21:26:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6BAEB.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:30:01 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c83-253-81-174.bredband.comhem.se] has left #openttd [] 21:36:33 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 21:43:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 21:43:17 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01:21 <Eddi|zuHause> "industries already have a window, so buying them shouldn't be hard" is a very "promising" beginner's idea of how coding works :p 22:04:03 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 22:17:21 <frosch123> night 22:17:25 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7103.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:21:11 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:26:49 *** kristal [~quassel@198-91-175-49.cpe.distributel.net] has joined #openttd 22:30:53 *** kristal [~quassel@198-91-175-49.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [] 22:32:35 *** kristal [~quassel@198-91-175-49.cpe.distributel.net] has joined #openttd 22:33:56 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:36:13 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:36:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 22:39:31 *** permagreen [~donovan@204-195-27-175.wavecable.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:40:01 *** blathijs [matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:43:32 *** RedPoptarts [~RedPoptar@c-67-180-33-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:51:08 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 22:56:10 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:02:34 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-24-105-140-5.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:26 <AndreasB> How come openttd.conf isnt saved when I do save_config 23:17:47 <FLHerne> AndreasB: openttd.cfg, surely? 23:18:02 <AndreasB> yes 23:18:07 <AndreasB> correct 23:19:07 <FLHerne> Would be better if I had any answers to the actual problem, wouldn't it? :L 23:19:12 <__ln__> "isn't" surely 23:19:24 <AndreasB> yep FLHerne 23:19:28 <AndreasB> __ln__: Go to bed 23:20:05 <FLHerne> At least my poke would be useufl if you were mistakenly looking for the wrong filename 23:20:16 <FLHerne> __ln__'s is just pointless :P 23:20:46 <FLHerne> As opposed to almost certainly but not entirely pointless 23:21:17 <AndreasB> -rw-rw-r-- 1 andreas andreas 9979 Oct 5 19:12 openttd.cfg 23:21:24 <__ln__> FLHerne: well, the language on this channel should be english. not misspelled english. 23:21:28 <AndreasB> saved config in rcon 23:21:37 <AndreasB> Oct 6 01:13 openttd.cfg 23:21:38 <AndreasB> :OP 23:21:42 <AndreasB> It did it§ 23:21:48 <AndreasB> That idnt.. oh well 23:22:02 * FLHerne -> bed 23:22:12 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 23:22:15 <AndreasB> infrastructure_maintenance = false 23:22:15 <AndreasB> :S 23:22:17 <Wolf01> 'night all 23:22:20 <__ln__> night Wolf01 23:22:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:22:53 <AndreasB> now it doesnt save again 23:23:11 <__ln__> "doesn't" surely? 23:23:16 <AndreasB> Sun Oct 6 01:15:45 CEST 2013 23:23:17 <AndreasB> doh 23:23:32 <AndreasB> I just set infrastructure to TRUE, and saved config 23:23:37 <AndreasB> its still false in cfg 23:23:50 <__ln__> it's 23:24:00 <AndreasB> __ln__: Go die 23:24:04 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:24:17 <AndreasB> (Actually, dont do that.. would be bad) 23:24:27 <__ln__> AndreasB: please don't be impolite 23:25:47 <AndreasB> hammertime 23:26:13 <Supercheese> Just use an autohotkey script to automatically insert apostrophes 23:26:29 <Supercheese> s'what I do :) 23:27:16 <AndreasB> lol 23:27:43 <Supercheese> i.e. I type "dont" and it converts it immediately to "don't" 23:28:04 <Supercheese> Sadly, it cannot cover the its/it's situation 23:28:36 <Supercheese> but that's just bad, it's the exact opposite of every other possessive case in the language, so it seems 23:29:28 <Supercheese> but eh, whatcha gonna do 23:32:12 <__ln__> using such a script sounds slightly cheating, but who cares, it produces readable and nice output. :) 23:45:49 <Eddi|zuHause> "dont" might be a valid word in french 23:56:27 *** RedPoptarts [~RedPoptar@c-67-180-33-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:57:42 *** zooks [~zooks@54185AF7.cm-5-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]