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00:03:51 <Supercheese> Oof, poor English 00:28:04 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A0F2.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 00:29:21 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:29:44 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 00:29:48 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:33:43 *** mist [~mist@c-74fa70d5.034-4-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:47 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.206.97.33.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 00:51:00 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 01:05:44 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:05:58 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 01:14:34 *** mist [~mist@c-74fa70d5.034-4-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 01:14:57 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:23:33 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:30:36 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 01:39:03 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 02:02:29 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@150.157.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:12:24 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 02:34:57 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-166-169-184.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:37:31 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:49:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A97A.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:30:47 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.206.97.33.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC is just a free alternative you might to ignore.. rest in peace.] 03:39:28 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 04:03:20 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:03:34 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:04:27 *** theholyduck [~theholydu@172.245.30.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:07:08 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:07:11 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:08:56 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 04:14:30 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:22:15 *** theholyduck [~theholydu@172.245.30.36] has joined #openttd 04:23:55 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 04:50:12 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:51:06 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 04:52:10 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 04:52:23 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:52:44 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5ADC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD50F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:58:47 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 06:02:48 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:20:10 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 06:46:35 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.74.191] has joined #openttd 07:08:46 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 07:09:43 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 07:09:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 07:11:23 *** LSky` [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:13:12 <LSky`> did 1.4.1 introduce a desync issue? 07:13:19 <LSky`> i never had those on vanilla openttd 07:16:24 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 07:19:21 <Alberth> no idea, have a look at the bug tracker 07:23:12 <peter1139> Never? Plenty of older versions had them :D 07:23:53 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:25:37 <Alberth> indeed, it is quite safe to assume they exist, the question is whether you run into them 07:30:19 <planetmaker> moin 07:30:29 <Alberth> moin 07:30:41 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 07:35:01 <V453000> hyhy 07:36:52 <planetmaker> LSky`, OpenTTD 1.4.1 is also a version of vanilla OpenTTD :). Yet I'd think introducing a new desync in 1.4.1 is unlikely 07:37:05 <planetmaker> but there may of course lurk unfound ones 07:45:35 * V453000 did not make trains change cargo capacity on the go :P 07:48:11 <LSky`> planetmaker, i know its vanilla ^^ 07:48:17 <LSky`> hence my surprise when I desynced twice 07:48:50 <LSky`> [09:14] <Server1> *** LSky has left the game (desync error) 07:48:50 <LSky`> [09:14] <Server1> *** Player #1 has left the game (desync error) 07:48:51 <LSky`> [09:34] <Server1> *** Teoandre has left the game (desync error) 07:48:51 <LSky`> [09:34] <Server1> *** Player #1 has left the game (desync error) 07:48:51 <LSky`> [09:35] <Server1> *** Player #1 has left the game (desync error) 07:48:51 <LSky`> [09:36] <Server1> *** Player #1 has left the game (desync error) 07:48:52 <LSky`> etc 07:49:45 <Alberth> make a bug report 07:50:10 *** Netsplit over, joins: Fuco, Godde 07:50:10 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> magnet.oftc.net quits: LSky`, V453000, @planetmaker, Markk, jonty-comp, Pinkbeast, sla_ro|master, dxtr, tommylom1ykins, toobored`, (+7 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 07:50:14 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@borealis.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 07:50:15 *** tommylommykins [~t@ks362631.kimsufi.com] has joined #openttd 07:50:24 *** Netsplit over, joins: Mek, Markk, juzza1, Kurimus, LSky`, Taede 07:50:24 <LSky`> could it be an autopilot issue? 07:50:30 *** jpierre03 [~jpierre03@voyage.prunetwork.fr] has quit [Killed (reticulum.oftc.net (Nick collision (new)))] 07:50:31 *** dxtr [fb5eaa85@2001:470:28:93:250:43ff:fe64:a0a] has joined #openttd 07:50:41 *** Netsplit over, joins: toobored`, sla_ro|master, planetmaker 07:50:47 <LSky`> netsplit :|? 07:51:01 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ 07:51:01 <LSky`> anyway, could it be related to autopilot? 07:51:11 *** Netsplit over, joins: V453000, avdg 07:51:24 *** Netsplit over, joins: George 07:52:17 <LSky`> the only recent change to the server, other than updating it from 1.4.0 to 1.4.1 is a change to autopilot, allowing moderator commands through IRC 07:52:29 *** jpierre03_ [~jpierre03@voyage.prunetwork.fr] has joined #openttd 07:52:30 <LSky`> seems weird to me that thats related to desyncs though 07:53:06 <Alberth> extremely unlikely 07:53:12 *** DorpsGek [~dorpsgek@000128f9.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:53:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 07:53:18 <Alberth> hi hi DorpsGek 07:53:45 *** dyrim [sid28134@id-28134.charlton.irccloud.com] has quit [autokilled: This host violated network policy. Contact support@oftc.net for further information and assistance. (2014-06-15 07:53:45)] 07:53:55 <Alberth> desyncs happen because game state between client and server is different 07:54:19 <Alberth> giving command texts through whatever means is not yet game state 07:54:40 <LSky`> the commands arent even being given 07:55:05 <LSky`> but enabling those commands is the only recent change the server underwent, other than the 1.4.1 update 07:55:27 <Alberth> it's not in the core of the program 07:56:43 <LSky`> theres one bug report on desyncs, from yesterday 07:56:54 <LSky`> but that seems to have a different cause 07:57:09 <LSky`> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/6044?string=desync&project=1&type%5B0%5D=&sev%5B0%5D=&pri%5B0%5D=&due%5B0%5D=&reported%5B0%5D=&cat%5B0%5D=&status%5B0%5D=open&percent%5B0%5D=&opened=&dev=&closed=&duedatefrom=&duedateto=&changedfrom=&changedto=&openedfrom=&openedto=&closedfrom=&closedto= 08:12:10 <planetmaker> autopilot? 08:12:19 <planetmaker> you mean the tcl script thingy? 08:13:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19F90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:13:35 <planetmaker> lol, 6044 is nice :) 08:13:52 <planetmaker> anyway, gotta go. see you in the evening. Have fun :) 08:18:39 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:23:29 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:23:29 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:23:38 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:29:00 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 08:39:59 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 08:49:47 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3A1A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:08:28 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:23:05 *** cookins [~oftc-webi@94.45.129.76] has joined #openttd 09:23:19 <cookins> hi all 09:23:47 <cookins> i have newb question 09:24:13 <cookins> who will answer 09:24:45 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 09:25:31 <TrueBrain> @topic 3 09:25:31 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: topic [<channel>] 09:25:35 <TrueBrain> dammit :D 09:25:44 <TrueBrain> @topic #openttd 3 09:25:44 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: topic [<channel>] 09:25:53 <TrueBrain> I hate this IRC bot :P Useless piece of crap :( 09:25:56 <V453000> @topic get 3 09:25:56 <DorpsGek> V453000: Don't ask to ask, just ask 09:26:00 <V453000> I win 09:26:05 <TrueBrain> yes, you do 09:26:19 <cookins> concerned about gameplay 09:27:29 <V453000> just ask. :D 09:29:08 <TrueBrain> where is the fun in that V453000 :D 09:29:12 <TrueBrain> he is building up to it 09:29:19 <TrueBrain> maybe he throws in a cookie in a moment 09:29:20 <V453000> I can see that :) 09:29:25 <TrueBrain> possible amazon cookies 09:29:26 <cookins> i transporting oil from sea side to surface to dock; from dock oil truckers loading it and unload to cargo side that receives oil (that was typed when i built it there) 09:30:52 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 09:30:58 <cookins> so oil not take to oil factory that makes items for city, from that cargo side where i unload oil 09:31:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:31:23 <Alberth> hi hi 09:31:42 <Wolf01> hi o/ 09:32:15 <cookins> it stays there, but there said it receiving it (oil) 09:33:04 <Alberth> don't use "transfer" at the final destination 09:33:10 <V453000> and you are sure your orders are on unload and leave empty, not transfer and leave empty 09:33:15 <V453000> hy Alberth 09:33:19 <cookins> why it not going directly to factory like every thing.? 09:33:41 <Alberth> transfer means "unload here for further transport" 09:34:08 <cookins> if not transfer than it unload and loads again and going back 09:34:09 <Alberth> and yes, you do want to be able to do that even with a factory right next to it that could also accept the cargo 09:34:17 *** cookins [~oftc-webi@94.45.129.76] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:34:24 <Alberth> hi V 09:35:14 *** cookins [~oftc-webi@94.45.129.76] has joined #openttd 09:35:33 <cookins> damn i crashed. who answer me? 09:35:54 <cookins> so it loading it back then if not transfer 09:36:00 <Alberth> @logs 09:36:00 <DorpsGek> Alberth: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 09:36:11 <Alberth> you can check there exactly :) 09:36:54 *** cookins [~oftc-webi@94.45.129.76] has quit [] 09:42:25 <V453000> are you 100% sure that the oil refinery is inside the catchment area of the station? 09:45:40 <Alberth> we may never know 09:46:35 <V453000> the mystery shall remain undiscovered 09:58:30 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 10:03:08 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:03:23 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:04:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C060.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:10:55 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@torland1-this.is.a.tor.exit.server.torland.is] has joined #openttd 10:14:13 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:14:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 10:19:09 *** dyrim [sid28134@charlton.irccloud.com] has joined #openttd 10:19:58 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 10:20:12 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-60-52.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:26:57 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:33:19 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 10:44:45 *** Diablo-D3 [~diablo@pool-72-92-156-47.burl.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:45:20 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1A51E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:48:28 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:48:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19F90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:48:53 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 10:53:39 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009aba.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:01:36 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 11:02:30 *** DorpsGek [~dorpsgek@000128f9.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: TrueBrain] 11:03:19 *** DorpsGek [~dorpsgek@000128f9.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:03:22 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 11:30:03 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:42:07 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 11:49:03 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 11:49:03 *** toobored` [~user@adsl-230.46.190.123.tellas.gr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12:07 *** theholyduck [~theholydu@172.245.30.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:14:38 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:19:19 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:19:43 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:21:54 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:29:24 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 12:31:44 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:49:01 *** theholyduck [~theholydu@172.245.30.36] has joined #openttd 12:50:16 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 12:57:53 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:04:29 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 13:06:25 *** toobored [~user@adsl-48.109.242.73.tellas.gr] has joined #openttd 13:07:28 <toobored> is it possible to get a ro-ro terminus stations with a 90-bend? 13:08:32 *** theholyduck [~theholydu@172.245.30.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:19:28 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 13:20:55 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-166-169-184.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:29:16 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:32 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:45:54 *** chelsea [~Aksel@188.241.79.23] has joined #openttd 13:45:56 <chelsea> try thys one WWW.SoccerTips4Sure.com it is the first time when i win some money 13:46:20 *** chelsea [~Aksel@188.241.79.23] has quit [] 13:53:23 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:58:34 *** theholyduck [~theholydu@172.245.30.36] has joined #openttd 14:10:58 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@150.157.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:13:42 <Alberth> toobored: ro-ro terminus? 14:22:04 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-166-169-184.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:24:07 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 14:51:17 <planetmaker> hi hi 14:52:38 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:52:39 <Alberth> wb 14:53:47 <planetmaker> thanks :) Seems driving a motor vessel is different than sailing :P 14:57:59 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:58:22 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 14:58:22 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 15:02:50 <Alberth> depends on the amount of moving air :) 15:04:18 <Alberth> >>> import lex 15:04:18 <Alberth> >>> print(lex) 15:04:18 <Alberth> <module 'lex' from './lex.cpython-33m.so'> 15:04:23 <Alberth> :O 15:05:26 <Alberth> now figure out what the module should actually do :p 15:07:06 <Eddi|zuHause> the lexer lexes, obviously 15:07:35 <Eddi|zuHause> basically you feed the lexer regexpses and it throws out tokens 15:07:36 <Alberth> I wrote this one, so it doesn't yet :) 15:09:09 <toobored> Alberth: hahaha silly contradiction. it just means a terminus stations without the trains exiting blocking the trains entering 15:10:33 <Alberth> toobored: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1123182#p1123182 ? 15:10:34 <planetmaker> that's possible. but I still don't get your 90° bend there, toobored 15:11:24 <toobored> planetmaker: had a town grown too much around a station and I cannot get the lines and the station in the same straight line :( 15:11:50 <Alberth> oh, a challenge :) 15:12:02 <toobored> actually it was bad design... not that the city grew 15:12:08 <toobored> let me get a pic of what I did at the end 15:14:36 <toobored> I think that will work https://www.dropbox.com/s/d4l2dsc8j46q0xw/Screenshot%20from%202014-06-15%2018%3A12%3A19.png 15:17:35 <planetmaker> There's plenty of space 15:17:43 <planetmaker> but I'd make it a roro turned 90° 15:17:54 <planetmaker> and giving the space currently covered by the station to the town 15:18:15 <planetmaker> and building the station there where the road bridge currently spans the rails 15:18:27 <toobored> roro meaning having the trains leave at the other end? 15:18:43 <planetmaker> a station where trains can path through. both ways 15:18:58 <planetmaker> at least you want both way traffic in this case, I think 15:19:41 <toobored> the first 4-5 tracks connect to a station on the left side, the other 2-3 tracks connect on another heavytraffic station on the right. 15:20:50 <toobored> cargodist enabled 15:20:55 <planetmaker> omg, that's two stations?! 15:21:33 <toobored> the one you see is ONE. but it connects to two stations. 15:21:53 <planetmaker> anyway, you want the station for the trains coming from the South-East (lower left) such that there's no turn for them 15:22:29 <toobored> yeah. so i have to change orientation 15:22:31 <planetmaker> with that trainlength you can't make a sensible 90° turn in that space 15:22:32 <planetmaker> yes 15:23:14 <toobored> embarassing 15:24:21 <toobored> (given that I considered that my 'good design') 15:27:51 <planetmaker> well, not embarassing. What I say is towards how *I* would build and consider an efficient, nice network by my standards. By other standards (and OpenTTD allows for a HUGE amount of different ones), it certainly works 15:28:13 <planetmaker> and if you really want, one can make something with the existing station tracks. Not pretty IMHO, but would work somewhat 15:28:20 <planetmaker> it also depends on the expected traffic 15:28:44 <toobored> 5k pax per month from each direction :P 15:28:51 <toobored> at least 15:29:58 <toobored> I'll start again this specific game to get better designs, I got pretty rushy at some point and wasn't thinking things over 15:30:53 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:19 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 15:31:22 <planetmaker> rather in trains :) And no point to restart a specific game IMHO. Just rebuild the existing tracks 15:31:38 <planetmaker> for me that would be more fun than starting from scratch. An evolved map offers more challenges 15:32:18 <toobored> I have many routes that need .... 'redesign' 15:32:32 <planetmaker> toobored, well, good :) Much fun ahead then! :) 15:32:45 <planetmaker> did you ever play on one of the openttdcoop servers? 15:33:44 <toobored> not really.. 15:34:18 <toobored> i'm planning on it but openttd it's just a good break from vector analysis 15:34:45 <planetmaker> hehe :) 15:35:03 <planetmaker> but you sound like you would enjoy building there and find similar-minded people there :) 15:35:18 <toobored> yeah but I'm a very bad player 15:35:28 <toobored> don't want to ruin a map :P 15:35:46 <planetmaker> one can only improve by practise :P And there's the welcome aka stable server where people can just experiment 15:35:59 <planetmaker> but you'll get feedback and you can cooperate... 15:36:05 <Alberth> planetmaker: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3433/ it's a start :) 15:36:37 <Alberth> and the best thing, people work together, so you don't need to do all yourself :) 15:38:08 <planetmaker> you're fast, Alberth :) 15:38:42 <toobored> Alberth: hehe correct. 15:38:57 <Alberth> this was the easy part, just define a few patterns, throw it in the generator, add a wrapper, et voila :) 15:38:58 <toobored> btw, I tried to check if it was easy to change some things in 2cc trainset... 15:39:17 <toobored> my god NFO..... what a brainfuck 15:39:41 <planetmaker> there's 2ccts in NML being coded currently 15:39:48 <Alberth> planetmaker: it doesn't do line or column counting, or minor stuff like returning the identifier or numeric value :) 15:41:04 <V453000> dont worry about ruining anything, to start with you can play in your own company on openttdcoop welcome server, and if you listen to what people tell you, you get to build well very quickly :) 15:42:15 <toobored> i haven't undestood one thing yet.... 15:42:28 <toobored> how time 'passes' on the server? 15:42:35 <toobored> everyone logs off and things still move? 15:42:41 <V453000> on intelligent servers no 15:42:48 <planetmaker> :D 15:42:50 <V453000> if 1 person is there, it unpauses 15:42:56 <V453000> 0 people = pause 15:42:59 <planetmaker> Alberth, I guess line counting is mostly trivial 15:43:19 <Alberth> planetmaker: yeah, until you get #line crap :p 15:43:19 <toobored> V453000: makes sense. 15:43:39 <planetmaker> and if you've lex'ed it, outputting the ID in the same array might not be too difficult either? 15:43:44 <Alberth> but no worries I was not going to code that in C :) 15:43:55 <toobored> planetmaker: on bad designs https://db.tt/x8nd7oRa 15:44:35 <planetmaker> I've seen worse, toobored 15:44:49 <Alberth> planetmaker: true, it's mostly a matter of adding it 15:45:17 <toobored> Alberth: what's wrong with C? 15:45:19 <planetmaker> Alberth, well, not C? C++? Or you rather mean splitting lexer and compiler? 15:45:45 <Alberth> toobored: too much detail if you can also do it in Python :) 15:45:51 <planetmaker> toobored, nothing. But it's not the solution for everything 15:46:05 <V453000> toobored: that isnt so bad, you can work from that 15:46:33 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:19 <Alberth> planetmaker: there is a stack of filenames encountered in #line directives, which gets updated and copied quite often in the current scanner. I don't want to code a stack of file+line information in C such that Python can access it 15:49:02 <Alberth> better let python handle the entire stack on its own 15:49:11 <planetmaker> aye, ok. Makes sense 15:50:31 <toobored> Alberth: I found python after a couple of projects inefficient. (thread implementation in specific) 15:50:56 <Alberth> toobored: threads are usually the wrong solution for a problem 15:51:14 <Alberth> and yes, Python has a GIL, veryy effective at killing htreads 15:51:40 <toobored> that. plus I had a problem with the clock functions :( 15:51:52 <toobored> they are not guarenteed to be monotonic 15:52:22 <Alberth> they are just system clocks, afaik 15:52:43 <toobored> http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0418/ 15:54:20 <Alberth> ah right, I don't do that stuff, I normally just run computations 15:56:28 <toobored> yeah for simple stuff it's pretty much ok. 15:57:14 <toobored> although complex project tend to collapse on their own in pretty much every lang 15:58:20 <toobored> either that or i'm slow/stupid and not able to comprehend the beauty of complexity 15:59:22 <Alberth> there is a difference between complex and big :) 15:59:44 <planetmaker> there's also a difference between necessary complexity and 'boiler plate' complexity 15:59:50 <Alberth> the former you want to avoid, the latter is not much of a problem, it just takes more work 15:59:54 <planetmaker> or however one may call the latter 16:00:24 <Alberth> most people call something "complex" when they do not understand it 16:00:29 <planetmaker> yup :) 16:00:45 <planetmaker> and mathematicians anything which once was proven trivial :P 16:00:47 <Alberth> as such "complex" is not a system property, but a view of the person saying it 16:01:12 <Alberth> indeed, a system that you understand is never ever complex 16:01:19 <toobored> Alberth: if I see the same thing being done with two different ways on two different files, it's complex :P 16:01:49 <planetmaker> Indeed depends on the person. And how long it takes them to understand a thing from scratch 16:01:49 <Alberth> 2 already eh? :) 16:03:53 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:04:18 <Alberth> usually, the best way to understand code is to understand the problem it solves. That normally explains why weird steps are performed in code 16:04:40 <Alberth> code is very good at saying what it does, but not in why :) 16:04:56 <planetmaker> :) 16:04:59 <planetmaker> yeah 16:05:27 <planetmaker> it gets hairy if it shall solve A, but solves A' instead :P 16:06:08 <Alberth> :) 16:06:09 <planetmaker> but where A' == A in 99% of the cases ;) 16:06:18 <planetmaker> especially the trivial test cases :P 16:06:27 <Alberth> the devil is always in the details :p 16:07:21 <Alberth> hmm, let me see what dinner I shall have tonight 16:07:50 * planetmaker had potatoe salad. A left-over from earlier BBQ 16:09:29 * V453000 had nothing and his future is unsure 16:09:38 <planetmaker> oh noes 16:15:20 <V453000> I might eat some uranium soon because making teh material is pita major 16:15:49 <V453000> almost there though 16:19:40 <toobored> V453000: for which set? 16:20:04 <V453000> toobored: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/yeti 16:20:45 *** Speedy` [~speedy@63.246.141.156] has joined #openttd 16:20:55 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 16:21:03 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 16:22:12 <V453000> make sure you check out the previews :) 16:29:51 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:29:55 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/YETI/3-C-x4.png hows t hat? 16:30:23 <__ln__> photoshopped 16:30:44 <V453000> actually isnt 16:30:54 <Rubidium> slow 16:31:07 <planetmaker> awesome 16:31:19 <V453000> sufficient for uranium? 16:31:37 <Rubidium> uranium ore maybe ;) 16:31:52 <V453000> k fair enough :) 16:32:11 <V453000> I go feed it to my 1 forum follower :D 16:32:24 <Alberth> :) 16:32:34 <Rubidium> the colors seem to match some uranium ores 16:33:03 <Alberth> you dropped the grey idea of coal? 16:33:20 <V453000> uranium was the aim Alberth, but desaturating it was easy quick coal :D :P 16:33:21 <Rubidium> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_ore#Uranium_minerals <- second and third minerals 16:33:36 <V453000> yeah that is pretty much what I went from Rubidium 16:33:48 <V453000> see, I had REAL example 16:33:54 <V453000> -> yeti is REALISTIC 16:34:26 <Alberth> QED 16:34:56 <Alberth> I find the green environment a bit too green for a mine, tbh 16:35:33 <V453000> myeah 16:35:41 <V453000> uranium boosts local flora 16:36:03 <planetmaker> mutant giant grass. Beware of its sharp teeth 16:36:03 <Alberth> :) 16:36:04 <V453000> in fact, no other industry has any trees around it as of now :D 16:38:23 <Alberth> they should install a railgun in the shaft, and launch the uranium vertically in the air :p 16:39:04 <Alberth> but it would defeat the need for a car probably 16:41:37 * Alberth ponders the option of launching the car with uranium on it 16:43:43 <V453000> :d 16:43:52 <V453000> car will be driven by YETI later, that will explain everything 16:44:05 <Rubidium> don't think it would do much harm with raw uranium ore 16:44:16 <planetmaker> it wouldn't 16:44:25 <planetmaker> as long as you wear a breathing mask 16:44:29 <Rubidium> apparantly it's 500 times as abundant as gold 16:44:57 <Rubidium> so... I'd reckon there to be natural deposits of those ores at the surface already 16:44:58 <Alberth> 500 times almost nothing is still nothing :) 16:45:24 <Rubidium> true, but then you're made of effectively nothing either ;) 16:45:25 <planetmaker> and the breathing mask only as the harm of decay when inside the lung is much bigger 16:45:59 <Alberth> it's chemically not very nice stuff to have on the surface 16:46:43 <planetmaker> oh, doesn't matter really 16:46:54 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/YETI/3-B-x4.png (: 16:47:11 <planetmaker> any clothing will stop the harm from uranium alpha decay 16:48:41 <V453000> I hereby declare I deserve dinner now 16:48:53 <planetmaker> +1 :P 16:48:58 <Alberth> sounds very right V :) 16:49:26 <V453000> :) 16:49:33 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:39 <V453000> and wip power plant :D https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/YETI/3-CC-x4.png 16:49:42 <V453000> dinner + beer 16:50:20 <Alberth> :) 16:50:43 <V453000> only 3 industries entirely missing, 2 to be strongly enhanced and one to be redone completely 16:50:47 <V453000> :) 16:50:50 <V453000> 10 done 16:51:58 <Alberth> 10 already? wow, so quickly 16:52:25 <V453000> yeah, and one of them (the 3-X machinery factory) took 3 weeks alone 16:52:35 <V453000> the rest was muuuuch quicker 16:52:56 <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/yeti/wiki/Previews 16:53:01 <V453000> easy overview :) 16:53:20 <V453000> the clay pit will be completely different, animal farm needs animals finished (have some started), grain farm needs grain :) 16:53:58 <Alberth> you bring grain to let it produce grain :) 16:54:10 <V453000> no you bring yetis and machinery :P 16:54:21 <V453000> decaying bodies and cars turn into grain, obvioz 16:56:03 <V453000> ... they arent retards at the farm and dont output 100%, they keep some seeds for reproduction :P 16:56:08 <V453000> they just dont officially admit it 16:58:13 <Alberth> smart people :) 16:58:35 <Alberth> I guess all inspectors suddenly vanish 17:00:50 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 17:01:12 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:01:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:02:07 <V453000> yetis eat the inspectors, industry doesnt produce without yetis -> no inspectors ever 17:03:07 <Alberth> hmm, it's much more complicated than anticipated :) 17:04:50 <V453000> :D 17:24:15 *** Diablo-D3 [~diablo@pool-72-92-156-47.burl.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:18 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:38 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 17:38:03 *** theholyduck [~theholydu@172.245.30.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:38 <toobored> V453000: very nice. 17:38:51 <V453000> thanks (: 17:39:32 <toobored> workers and cargo dist will be intresting :) 17:40:22 <V453000> cargodist is utterly retarded and i dont suggest using it with yeti industries :) 17:41:07 <toobored> hahahahaha. I pretty much like it. 17:41:16 <toobored> I love the unpredictability 17:44:04 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:50 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26648 /trunk/src/lang (czech.txt estonian.txt) (2014-06-15 17:45:41 UTC) 17:45:51 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:52 <DorpsGek> czech - 1 changes by Eskymak 17:45:53 <DorpsGek> estonian - 5 changes by taavi 18:05:09 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@2T1AAAAOQ.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: gone] 18:08:13 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:48 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-166-169-184.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:16:53 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 18:21:23 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:23:53 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 18:35:59 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 18:49:10 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 18:57:26 <toobored> mass change service interval? 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