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00:07:44 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:08:02 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:39:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C5C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:04:30 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:15:11 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:16:08 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:17:51 *** Mso150 [~Mso150@80.83.239.99] has joined #openttd 01:38:52 *** Mso150 [~Mso150@80.83.239.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:39:08 *** Mso150 [~Mso150@80.83.238.119] has joined #openttd 01:45:33 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 01:47:02 *** Mso150 [~Mso150@80.83.238.119] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:43:41 <Supercheese> Hmm, apparently the palette strings cannot be translated ("Default" & "Legacy") 02:43:43 <Supercheese> odd 02:55:54 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:09:37 *** Markk [mark@h30n15-nt-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:21:53 *** SHOTbyGUN [shotbygun@213-186-253-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 03:26:12 <Flygon> ... 03:26:18 <Supercheese> ? 03:26:20 <Flygon> You know you're having the wrong mindset 03:26:29 <Flygon> When you're thinking a method of getting over 256 colours in OpenTTD 03:26:37 <Flygon> Is to use raster scanline effects 03:26:42 <Supercheese> 32bpp? 03:26:46 <Flygon> By punching in new palette data to the CRAM mid-frame 03:27:05 <Supercheese> already have nice blitters 03:27:17 <Flygon> Like I said, I'm in the wrong mindset :P 03:27:23 <Flygon> I've been around the Mega Drive for too long x.x 04:08:20 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@58.108.147.33] has joined #openttd 04:29:11 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:46:55 <Supercheese> Oh great, now I have to add gender "cases" to get the translation just right 04:47:25 <Supercheese> or other contrivance 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5404.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4979.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:00:22 <Pikkaphone> yes 05:00:28 <Pikkaphone> get to work 05:02:02 <Supercheese> :< 05:06:28 <Rubidium> yes daddy ;) 05:08:05 <Pikkaphone> stop that, too. 05:31:16 <Supercheese> Huh, road vehicle driving side option is in both Advanced Settings and Game Options 05:34:48 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:35:46 <Supercheese> same with No. of Industries... which is oddly called Industry Density in the Advanced Options, despite being the exact same setting 05:36:04 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91.65.115.103] has joined #openttd 05:42:13 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:04:07 *** APTX [~APTX@aptx.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04:41 *** APTX [~APTX@aptx.org] has joined #openttd 06:12:25 *** Celestar [~Celestar@ip-109-43-1-200.web.vodafone.de] has joined #openttd 06:14:15 *** Celestar [~Celestar@ip-109-43-1-200.web.vodafone.de] has quit [] 06:15:15 <Supercheese> it seems like several mapgen settings are duplicated in the advanced settings 06:15:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 06:15:35 <andythenorth> such pie 06:15:47 <Supercheese> and they have different titles, even 06:18:06 <andythenorth> Pikkaphone stop fighting players you player-fighter you 06:18:27 <Pikkaphone> I shall. 06:18:39 <Pikkaphone> hang on, just getting off a boat. 06:21:02 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:21:04 <Pikkaphone> sup Andy 06:22:23 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:e887:7116:b0d:ba78] has joined #openttd 06:24:48 *** Celestar [~Celestar@ip-109-43-1-200.web.vodafone.de] has joined #openttd 06:27:31 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91.65.115.103] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 06:28:38 <Pikkaphone> andythenorth: doesn't matter how idiot proof you make your bad feetures, the universe will throw up new and improved idiots. 06:29:01 <Pikkaphone> better just smile and let them be. :) 06:29:51 <Pikkaphone> better than 'defeating' them by making your grf unplayable. Not naming any names of course. 06:30:15 <andythenorth> ho ho 06:30:29 <andythenorth> Pikkaphone: so I got up, is it your bedtime? o_O 06:31:05 <Pikkaphone> is 4.30pm, so probably. 06:31:21 <Pikkaphone> I'm on a bus back into uni atm. 06:31:38 <andythenorth> huzzah 06:31:48 <andythenorth> you will get an edukashion 06:32:29 <Pikkaphone> of a sort 06:32:43 <Pikkaphone> the bus driver just got a call on the radio 06:33:04 <Pikkaphone> that ringtone still scares me 06:34:17 <andythenorth> ? 06:34:18 <Pikkaphone> nearly at uni, will probably get disconnected when my phone connects to the wifi 06:34:41 * andythenorth will put away the shopping 06:34:43 <andythenorth> such glamour 06:35:04 <andythenorth> mm potatoes 06:35:06 <andythenorth> for pie 06:35:15 <Pikkaphone> mmm pie 06:36:05 <Pikkaphone> the bus radio ringing is scary because it usually means extra work, or you're in trouble for something. :) 06:36:10 <andythenorth> oic 06:36:32 <andythenorth> BAD PIE FEATURES 06:36:41 <Pikkaphone> bus control to major Tom... 06:36:55 <andythenorth> engines on 06:36:57 <Pikkaphone> you're pie features 06:37:25 <andythenorth> somebody made BAD PIE 06:37:28 <andythenorth> Sweeney Todd maybe 06:37:32 <andythenorth> with human bits 06:38:08 <Pikkaphone> and Johnny Depp 06:38:47 <Pikkaphone> Oh a helizellepin 06:38:50 <andythenorth> four and twenty blackbirds 06:38:53 <Pikkaphone> how rare 06:39:20 <andythenorth> I think that means Mornington Crescent, no? 06:39:27 <andythenorth> you win 06:40:15 <Pikkaphone> corner of musk Ave and blamey St, sctually 06:40:20 <Pikkaphone> actually too 06:41:13 <Pikkaphone> walking and ircing, how futuristic telecommunications 06:41:25 <andythenorth> walking and ircing into lamp post? 06:41:49 <Pikkaphone> only occasionally 06:42:06 <Supercheese> What the devil is this "Cargo Flow Legend" thingy? 06:42:11 <Supercheese> I have literally never seen it before 06:42:25 <andythenorth> you havenât? 06:42:28 <andythenorth> what is it? 06:42:41 <andythenorth> where is it? 06:42:43 <andythenorth> what does it do? 06:42:53 <Supercheese> Must be a CargoDist thing 06:43:11 <Supercheese> This type of window thing: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5760/getfile/9381/cargoflowleg.png 06:43:25 <andythenorth> oh 06:43:29 <andythenorth> never seen it 06:43:37 <Supercheese> It is available even when CargoDist is off 06:44:12 <Supercheese> yikes 06:44:59 <Pikkaphone> Oh 06:45:07 <Supercheese> also this https://wiki.openttd.org/File:Cargodist-overlays.png 06:45:15 <Supercheese> linkgraph doodad 06:45:16 <Pikkaphone> no, it's a cargodist thing 06:45:24 <Pikkaphone> oui 06:45:29 <Pikkaphone> Oh 06:45:54 <Pikkaphone> I had to change my password for 'security' 06:46:14 <Pikkaphone> that's why the wifi hasn't connected 06:46:14 <Supercheese> ugh my university demands stupidly-long passwords 06:46:39 <Supercheese> It's maddening, I want to use the same stupid password everywhere so I don't forget it 06:46:45 <Supercheese> but no 06:47:55 *** Pikkaphone2 [~yaaic@131.181.158.145] has joined #openttd 06:48:03 <Pikkaphone2> there we go 06:51:05 <Pikkaphone2> hmm 06:51:30 <Pikkaphone2> is mb calling me out for being insufficiently authoritarian? 06:54:15 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@58.108.147.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:54:22 <Supercheese> quite possibly 06:58:40 <andythenorth> just ask him 06:58:51 <andythenorth> I always take Michael at face value 06:58:55 <andythenorth> I think heâs quite funny 07:01:17 <andythenorth> Pikkaphone2: steel torpedo cars for NARS 2.x? 07:01:20 <andythenorth> o_O 07:05:46 <Supercheese> damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead 07:15:02 <liq3> Supercheese: Keepass, store your passwords. :p 07:15:12 <Supercheese> :effort: 07:15:23 <liq3> less effort than remembering multiple long complicated passwords. 07:15:39 <liq3> also more secure, because you can use unique, long complicated passwords everywhere. 07:15:45 <Supercheese> If that is software that I need to install, it's a no-go 07:15:53 <Supercheese> because I need to use university computers often 07:15:59 <liq3> does copying it into your HDD count as installing? 07:16:03 <Supercheese> and naturally they will not let you 07:16:08 <liq3> you can store in on a USB stick. 07:16:39 <Supercheese> hmm then they'd need to let me run it, which I have not tried 07:16:44 <liq3> yeh. 07:16:47 <Supercheese> may complain of a security issue 07:16:59 <liq3> lol it's not insecure. 07:17:13 <Supercheese> well, their sysadmin decides that, not I 07:17:17 <andythenorth> ha 07:17:32 <andythenorth> USB being one of the better attack vectors 07:17:35 <andythenorth> just use your phone 07:17:44 <andythenorth> 4 word passwords 07:18:21 <liq3> Keepass let's you secure the password database with a master password and/or any file. Also Windows User Account, but you don't want that. 07:18:24 <Supercheese> they also want you to change your password every ~400 days or so 07:18:31 <Supercheese> ridiculous 07:18:31 <liq3> If you setup the security settings right, no way to crack it without the master password. :P 07:19:40 <liq3> It has a "number of key transformation" settings. Mine is set so it takes 1 second on my PC. gl cracking it with 1 second per password attempt. 07:19:44 <planetmaker> liq3, while I use that for all the nasty websites and the lesser-used e-mail accounts, some things need passwords which one just remembers easier than using keepass :) 07:19:55 <planetmaker> for instance keepass itself ;) 07:19:59 <liq3> planetmaker: yeh. ;] 07:20:05 <liq3> You still gotta remember a few passwords yourself. 07:20:17 <liq3> Saves so much effort having unique passwords for every single forum account and other BS> 07:20:47 <planetmaker> it does. More so that I can share the keepass file via my owncloud between my machines is helpful, too 07:20:54 <liq3> Yeh. 07:21:00 <liq3> and the database is totally secure too. 07:21:03 *** Mso150 [~Mso150@80.83.239.29] has joined #openttd 07:21:08 <Supercheese> Well, sounds promising, iff the uni computers let me run it 07:21:22 <liq3> yeh. 07:21:39 <planetmaker> http://keepass.info/download.html 07:22:02 <planetmaker> there's a portable edition 07:22:10 <liq3> i've got like 50 unique passwords. so rediculous. 07:22:19 <planetmaker> only? :P 07:22:23 <liq3> :D 07:22:55 <liq3> I actually find it amusing, but I often find websites don't let me have super long and complicated PWs. 07:23:19 <planetmaker> or not this kind of letter or the other 07:23:22 <liq3> yeh. 07:23:23 <Supercheese> I'll try it, but I suspect that running foreign .exes off of USB drives is frowned upon, if not disallowed entirely 07:24:04 <andythenorth> one wonders why :P 07:24:11 <liq3> you can always redownload the .exe at the uni if they are really that worried. ;] 07:24:27 <liq3> wonder what excuses they'd come up with then. 07:24:28 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A0AC3C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:25:01 <Supercheese> Heaven knows, they're rather uptight about things 07:25:23 <Supercheese> I'm very glad I have my own internet off campus, they filter traffic like crazy on the university wifi 07:25:37 <liq3> lemme guess, it's run by old tech illiterate people? 07:25:56 <Supercheese> heavens no, their system is excellent and very reliable, just restrictive 07:26:06 <Supercheese> run by security obsessed folks methinks 07:26:15 <liq3> oh, I mean't the tech illiterate people are setting the rules, telling the sysadmins what to do. 07:26:25 <Supercheese> ah quite possibly 07:26:39 <liq3> I really doubt any sysadmin worth their salt would be that worried about security. 07:26:46 <Supercheese> I'll be graduating soon enough and be done with the lot 07:26:51 <liq3> that they'd disallow keepass. 07:30:20 *** zeknurn` [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 07:30:53 *** zeknurn` [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:31:19 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:31:32 <Supercheese> Awesome, {CARGO_LIST.dat} works 07:31:42 <Supercheese> was worried it might not work with cases 07:32:25 <Supercheese> oh wait 07:33:02 <Supercheese> only sometimes dang 07:35:02 <Supercheese> very odd 07:35:16 <__ln__> Supercheese: did you come up with a proper isocode to use for latin? 07:35:27 <Supercheese> Thus far, merely "la" 07:36:17 <Supercheese> Reddit's Latin translation seems to use la_LA 07:36:30 <__ln__> that's so wrong 07:36:45 <__ln__> LA is Laos, some country in asia. 07:36:50 <Supercheese> and minecraft la_VA, IIRC 07:37:24 <__ln__> i think _VA is the most sensible choice if the country part is required 07:37:55 <Supercheese> https://crowdin.com/translate/minecraft/9380/enus-lala if you can view that 07:38:03 <Supercheese> en_US -> la_VA 07:40:27 <Supercheese> argh 07:40:51 <Supercheese> cases/genders throw spanners everywhere 07:42:21 *** TrueBrain_ [~truebrain@i210033.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:42:21 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@i210033.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:42:41 <__ln__> requires signing in to view it, sad 07:42:49 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 07:43:13 <Supercheese> poo 07:45:09 <Supercheese> whew, last strings to translate are the CargoDist options 07:45:20 <Supercheese> also inconveniently the longest 07:47:48 * Supercheese wonders if the STR_CARGO_SINGULAR strings are actually used anywhere 07:50:01 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:50:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 07:53:39 <andythenorth> bye 07:53:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 07:56:16 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-89-127.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:08:35 *** Celestar [~Celestar@ip-109-43-1-200.web.vodafone.de] has left #openttd [] 08:20:16 <Supercheese> Hmmmm 08:20:27 * Supercheese thinks cargo quantities should be capitalized 08:21:05 <Supercheese> Capacity: 20 passengers vs. 08:21:12 <Supercheese> Capacity: 20 Passengers 08:22:01 <__ln__> it's not german 08:22:49 <Supercheese> Refittability lists are capitalized 08:23:07 <Supercheese> Refittable to: Passengers, Mail, Goods 08:23:37 * Supercheese is a stickler for consistency 08:23:50 <Supercheese> Cargo Ratings are capitalized 08:24:15 <Supercheese> essentially every other word in the vehicle info section is capitalized 08:25:00 * Supercheese could just edit the US English translation 08:29:15 * Supercheese will sleep on it 08:29:39 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 08:39:09 *** Mso150 [~Mso150@80.83.239.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:48:30 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:49:28 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:52:04 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:52:44 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:56:42 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:56:57 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:58:03 *** ATS63 [~peterh@2407:500::2:981d:d5e9] has quit [Quit: I eat taco and you don't] 09:02:22 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:02:22 *** Pikkaphone2 [~yaaic@131.181.158.145] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:30:08 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 10:10:54 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-19-186.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:11:21 <argoneus> good morning, train friends 10:12:23 <Pikka> good evening, trucking enemies 10:13:50 <V453000> shipmaster cometh 10:13:58 <Pikka> ship off 10:16:05 <V453000> go sail your shits 10:16:19 <Pikka> no, you're doing it wrong. 10:18:34 <V453000> impossible 10:18:57 <Pikka> inconcievable, even 10:19:44 <V453000> unimaginable 10:20:41 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:37:28 <argoneus> Pikka: bad evening* 10:37:37 <argoneus> you dun' fukt up 10:37:51 <Pikka> how rude 10:38:14 <argoneus> ebola in spain 10:38:17 <argoneus> brace yourselves 10:39:16 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/YETI_01.png 10:39:20 <V453000> yeti in natural habitat of utter mess 10:39:39 <V453000> wip :D 10:39:41 <Pikka> its head is smaller than I was expecting 10:41:28 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 10:50:05 <argoneus> V453000: are the sprites this detailed? 11:06:36 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 11:07:35 <V453000> myeah many things arent quite final yet :) 11:07:51 <V453000> sprites? this has nothing to do with sprites 11:08:06 <V453000> it is just a closeup on the model, is quite clear that it isnt adapted for being rendered from this close up :D 11:09:54 <V453000> Pikka: yeah much bigger head fits much better :) 11:10:58 <V453000> &wider legs :) 11:11:41 <planetmaker> yup, yetis are true thick-heads. The head is much too small, twice the diameter, I'll say 11:11:58 <planetmaker> but looks like a nice view on those furry creatures 11:14:30 <V453000> :) well it is a start 11:14:31 <V453000> but yeah 11:19:33 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/YETI_02.png 11:19:38 <V453000> fatter, bigger head :) 11:20:06 <V453000> ready to dig some ore 11:20:09 <Pikka> splendid 11:21:47 <V453000> now to map,rig and animate it :d 11:22:04 <planetmaker> yeah, wonderful :) 11:29:51 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35:11 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-19-186.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:36:10 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:42:56 <_maddy> V453000: is there any info on YETI anywhere? I would like to read about the game mechanics, like how industry production rates etc. work 11:43:19 <V453000> dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/yeti 11:44:47 <_maddy> yeah I found that site, but I can't seem to find that kind of info there 11:45:25 <_maddy> ok, your blog posts on openttdcoop are more detailed, I see the info there 11:45:40 <V453000> well the precise details arent there, those are very much in the development 11:45:47 <V453000> especially next version is going to change production mechanism 11:45:59 <_maddy> how? 11:46:04 <V453000> a lot :D 11:46:12 <V453000> more dependencies, bonuses, ... 11:46:12 <_maddy> yeah, but how? :) 11:48:01 <_maddy> is there currently any bonus for delivering different types of cargo to industry, vs delivering just 1 type of cargo but more of it? 11:48:21 <V453000> no, that is the problem :) 11:48:22 <V453000> there will be 11:48:40 <_maddy> ok 11:54:22 <V453000> _maddy: the future mechanism should basically do this https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/6663/YETIscheme08-05.png 12:01:25 <_maddy> so, there will be a 'realism' setting where YETI dudes are renamed to workers? :) 12:06:03 <_maddy> just wondering, because that's what they are called in your scheme 12:07:44 <V453000> will really a change of string cause realism? 12:07:48 <V453000> regardless, it is just inconsistency 12:07:52 <V453000> nothing changes 12:08:06 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:48 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:10:28 <_maddy> I don't know. I remember you originally had idea of having two separate versions of YETI, one more realistic? now the current state is kind of a mix of both, like it's mostly realistic 12:11:54 <V453000> I doubt I ever said I want something to be realistic :D 12:12:21 <V453000> perhaps some ancient idea might have been to have sane/full out version, but that is definitely not happening now :) 12:14:22 <_maddy> sure, in any case, not a big deal 12:44:31 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 12:57:32 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:03 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:14:05 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 13:23:46 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 13:27:00 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 13:49:57 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 14:17:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.160.107] has joined #openttd 14:22:58 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 14:36:51 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 14:53:54 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 15:00:58 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:01:01 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:01:34 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:05:50 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:33:26 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91.65.115.103] has joined #openttd 15:40:21 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00d98b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:40:46 *** tritoch [tritoch@173-21-122-52.client.mchsi.com] has quit [] 15:46:22 <Alberth> o/ 15:47:59 <frosch123> \o 15:50:55 *** MTs-iPad [~MTs-iPad@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:37 *** MTs-iPad [~MTs-iPad@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 16:14:44 *** Mso150 [~Mso150@80.83.238.127] has joined #openttd 16:15:12 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:20 *** JOkke [~oftc-webi@188.113.75.34] has joined #openttd 16:22:56 *** JOkke is now known as Guest788 16:24:06 <Guest788> Hi! Can anyone help me with configuring an OpenTTD Citybuilder server?= 16:24:41 *** Guest788 [~oftc-webi@188.113.75.34] has quit [] 16:25:41 *** jokke_ [~oftc-webi@188.113.75.34] has joined #openttd 16:25:58 <jokke_> Anyone knows how to config openTTD Citybuilder? 16:26:20 <frosch123> download a game script 16:33:02 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 16:51:30 <jokke_> you know how to start a game script on an dedicated server? 16:52:18 <jokke_> a* 16:52:30 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-8421.vo.lu] has joined #openttd 16:52:52 <planetmaker> either in the cfg there's a [game_scripts] section. Or upload a savegame which uses it and make sure it's available on the server, too 16:53:08 <Phreeze> nevening 16:53:37 <planetmaker> o/ 16:57:20 <MTsPony> \o 16:57:37 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 16:58:37 <Supercheese> Salvete 17:00:05 <planetmaker> salve 17:00:19 <jokke_> thank you planetmaker, i will try :) 17:03:47 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:03:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:05:03 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:e887:7116:b0d:ba78] has quit [Quit: .] 17:23:29 <planetmaker> luaduck, what's the output of uname -a on your server? 17:23:57 <luaduck> Linux cream.duck.me.uk 3.16.3-200.fc20.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Sep 17 22:34:21 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux 17:24:13 <luaduck> aaaaand I've just exposed I'm running an old kernel 17:24:25 <planetmaker> ^ Rubidium 17:24:28 <luaduck> oh wait nvm ksplice 17:24:31 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:24:36 <planetmaker> that's the current one 17:26:05 <luaduck> like I said earlier, we're going to be moving to centos either tomorrow or thursday 17:26:13 <luaduck> so we'll be on a more stable kernel 17:26:28 <luaduck> 3.10.0-123 from what I can see 17:26:31 <Alberth> way more stable everything :p 17:26:44 <planetmaker> (and way older) ;) 17:27:06 <luaduck> contrary to popular belief, having to update every 10 seconds because icinga's going batshit saying you've got security updates is quite grating 17:27:09 <planetmaker> what's linux' current release cycle? 2 months or 3? 17:27:09 <Alberth> yeah, you don't want to try installing random open source development thingies :) 17:27:10 <luaduck> especially when said updates break shit 17:32:36 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26975 trunk/src/network/network_server.cpp (2014-10-07 17:32:29 UTC) 17:32:37 <DorpsGek> -Fix: reading too many bits when determining the client index for desync debug message 17:35:16 <fjb> Moin 17:35:22 <planetmaker> \o 17:36:19 *** APTX [~APTX@aptx.org] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 17:36:24 <argoneus> o/ 17:36:43 <fjb> Trains in Trainfewer are no fun. :( 17:38:22 * Supercheese read that as Trainwerfer 17:38:46 <Supercheese> pew pew, firin' trains 17:40:50 <planetmaker> lol, Supercheese :) 17:40:57 <planetmaker> "Trainwerfer". 17:41:06 * planetmaker imagines the XXL version of tossing the caber 17:41:23 <planetmaker> probably yetis might come into the picture here 17:41:41 <fjb> They look great. Building the tracks is fun. But trains with the same orders always want to use the same platform in a station and ignore the other platforms. So there are constant dead locks. 17:45:51 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26976 trunk/src/lang/korean.txt (2014-10-07 17:45:44 UTC) 17:45:52 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:53 <DorpsGek> korean - 6 changes by telk5093 17:46:21 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:47:41 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26977 /branches/1.4/src/lang (25 files in 2 dirs) (2014-10-07 17:47:35 UTC) 17:47:42 <DorpsGek> [1.4] -Backport: strings from trunk 17:50:14 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:48 *** APTX [~APTX@aptx.org] has joined #openttd 17:54:37 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3493.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:04:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18A4C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:05:33 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:48 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:09:50 <Alberth> o/ 18:12:19 <andythenorth> \o 18:15:21 *** TrueBrain_ is now known as TrueBrain 18:22:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host156-13-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:22:19 <Wolf01> hi hi 18:38:48 *** ntx [~ntx@a88-115-29-236.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39:18 *** ntx [~ntx@a88-115-29-236.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 18:39:23 *** ntx [~ntx@a88-115-29-236.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:26 <Alberth> o/ 18:49:59 *** ntx [~ntx@a88-115-29-236.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 18:56:56 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: there are ways to avoid deadlocks, but yes, some alternate path handling would be useful. 18:57:26 <Phreeze> i always manage to get a deadlock...too many trains on junctions etc :-/ 18:57:47 <Phreeze> trainlength is a problem, i could go for more shorter trains, but i like those long ones :) 18:57:53 <Rubidium> so you want KUDr's work in tf? 18:58:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: pathfinding is not really done per train, but instead per "line" 19:01:48 <Eddi|zuHause> Phreeze: maybe i haven't had enough trains yet :p 19:02:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it's kinda difficult to do cargo trains 19:03:56 <argoneus> have you guys played alien isolation yet? 19:04:01 <argoneus> or does it not have enough trains 19:04:09 <Eddi|zuHause> never heard of that 19:04:38 *** Mso150 [~Mso150@80.83.238.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:05:28 *** Mso150 [~Mso150@80.83.239.41] has joined #openttd 19:06:32 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: How do you avoid it on a single track line with terminal stations without building a bypass in the middle between the stations? 19:07:48 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: how do you mean? on a single track you obviously can't run more than one train 19:08:57 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: Multiple platforms (and tracks) in the stations ofcourse. 19:09:04 <Rubidium> use a loop ;) 19:09:39 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: you mean like two trains on full load, and one is travelling while the other is loading? 19:09:39 <fjb> Loop scarf when waiting for the never arraving train in the cold? 19:10:54 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: you could just try to make two separate lines 19:11:08 <Eddi|zuHause> but it may come out worse... 19:11:46 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: No, both loading only what is there. Two terminal stations at the ends of the line, somestations with multiple tracks in between. 19:12:30 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: but i just generally plan my routes so that one platform at the end station is used 19:12:52 <planetmaker> Jinassi, what OS do you use for playing openttd? 19:12:58 <Eddi|zuHause> so even when the whole track is doubled, they will merge directly before the station 19:13:46 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: obviously with two trains, a double track section in the middle is the most effective wrt train frequency 19:13:47 <Jinassi> winz and android using remote control 19:13:51 <Jinassi> 7 19:18:01 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: I may try. I failed to build a second track where I would have needed because the landscape restricts me. But the routing still sucks. 19:18:58 <Eddi|zuHause> well, then just build at 1/4 and 3/4 and make 3 trains :) 19:19:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 19:19:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't tried on difficult landscape yet, because lack of planning tool makes it annoying 19:21:33 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: I thought many hills would be fun in my first game, and the are if you are carefull. But who is that in the first game. 19:23:11 <Supercheese> Command 'STATION' can't have a case (FATAL) 19:23:13 <Supercheese> laaaame 19:23:56 <Supercheese> Station names desperately need cases... 19:24:57 <Rubidium> how would that work for the town you just called "Supercheese Metropolis"? 19:25:20 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:25:23 <Supercheese> Yeah, there's too much to finesse 19:25:42 <Supercheese> probably just settle for bad grammar when stations are involved 19:27:42 <Supercheese> ah well 19:32:55 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 19:34:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:40:39 *** SHOTbyGUN [shotbygun@213-186-253-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59:14 <Eddi|zuHause> a few languages already had this problem, where they have to flex the town or station name according to case... but it's just not possible 19:59:41 <Eddi|zuHause> you could try to rearrange the sentence to use a different case that matches better 19:59:59 <Eddi|zuHause> but that's probably not always possible 20:11:57 <peter1138> hurr rich hall 20:12:29 <peter1138> just banged my knee with his kit 20:13:00 *** shirish [~quassel@117.195.112.191] has joined #openttd 20:23:23 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:24:03 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [] 20:26:50 <Eddi|zuHause> no idea who or what that is 20:27:09 *** Mso150 [~Mso150@80.83.239.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:31:27 <planetmaker> hm, Jinassi , you play using *Android* on your servers? 20:32:35 <planetmaker> Jinassi, does there exist an OpenTTD 1.4.3 for Android which you use(d)? 20:33:01 <Jinassi> no, using android to remote control my pc, from wifi when im at home and vpn when at work 20:33:19 <planetmaker> ah, kk. :) I'm relieved :) 20:33:23 <Jinassi> :) 20:33:33 * andythenorth shaves a few more yaks 20:33:45 <planetmaker> does that stink, andythenorth ? 20:33:54 <andythenorth> not today, but sometimes 20:34:05 <andythenorth> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/yak_shaving 20:34:14 <andythenorth> sometimes the yak is uncooperative 20:34:46 <Supercheese> Wait, but Industry names can have cases...? 20:34:59 <Supercheese> hmm 20:35:13 <Supercheese> I guess they are more rigidly structured 20:35:15 <planetmaker> oh. I guess I learned a new idom 20:41:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i've never heard that before either... 20:43:33 <planetmaker> Supercheese, 'industry names' or 'industry type names'? The latter are not names but rather something more generic than a particular station or a particular realisation of an industry 20:44:06 <Supercheese> I suppose I should spot check before wasting effort if it doesn't work, let me try 20:44:40 <Jinassi> Anyone want some spam? 20:44:43 <Jinassi> lol 20:45:11 * Rubidium might fancy a spam burger tomorrow 20:45:39 <Supercheese> spam spam, wonderful spam 20:51:18 <Supercheese> Yes it does work 20:51:31 <Supercheese> Specific Industry names ("Shortston Oil Wells") can have cases 20:51:42 <Eddi|zuHause> spam, eggs, sausage and spam 20:51:46 <Supercheese> the town portion cannot, but the industry portion can 20:52:11 <Jinassi> What tea goes best with that? 20:52:37 <Supercheese> Spamomile 20:52:37 <Eddi|zuHause> peppermint 20:53:11 <Phreeze> Icetea ^^ 20:53:15 *** jokke_ [~oftc-webi@188.113.75.34] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:55:41 <planetmaker> hm, spam and eggs. Yeah 20:58:45 <MTsPony> hello guys. Anyone know how i can access my own servers by WAN ip? Sometimes it shows up in the Server list, sometimes not 20:58:57 <MTsPony> not sure how to get it back, need to do some testing externally 20:59:24 <planetmaker> you access it via IP the same way you access it by its DNS name 20:59:46 <planetmaker> but probably I don't quite get what you're asking 21:00:31 <MTsPony> Quite simple. You have the Server list in openttd, once in a while i see my own server there with its external WAN ip, but not always. Something is triggering it to show and to not show. 21:01:48 <planetmaker> advertisement to the masterserver makes it show up there. That's all what is to it 21:02:01 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:21 <MTsPony> Well it is advertising, and its not there. 21:02:24 <MTsPony> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/82004 21:03:21 <planetmaker> ok, what server list do you talk about? 21:03:27 <MTsPony> the in-game one. 21:03:59 <MTsPony> the blue window? Toggle for Show advertising servers only, etc? :) 21:04:16 <planetmaker> not sure. Might be that not all servers are always sent. Might be network protocol limitation. 21:05:01 <MTsPony> Does it show up at yours atm? If you are willing to check? 21:07:13 <planetmaker> it does, all 6 21:08:19 <MTsPony> Exactly, so why doesnt it show me it? And why cant i even manually add it with my dns or external ip either? It doesnt even show in the list of added servers, i mean i can add any random ip i want and it shows up, but i cannot add my own external IP 21:08:28 <MTsPony> something's weird there. 21:09:00 <planetmaker> well, for a change the #openttdcoop PublicServer doesn't show for me ;) 21:09:13 <planetmaker> And which servers are sent, if not all are sent, might be more or less random 21:09:17 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe the UDP package got lost 21:09:35 <planetmaker> yeah, as it appeared now :) 21:10:32 <Eddi|zuHause> MTsPony: if you can't access the server by external ip, maybe your router isn't set up to loop internal traffic back to the external ip? 21:10:46 <Eddi|zuHause> MTsPony: assuming your client and server are both on the internal network 21:11:01 <MTsPony> I doubt it, as it randomly did occur that it did show up once in a while in the list, and I cannot recall changing my router's settings 21:11:07 <MTsPony> Yeah they are. 21:11:24 <Eddi|zuHause> MTsPony: this is independent from it showing up in the list 21:12:29 <MTsPony> Just to be clear, nobody else has issues from the WAN side for my server to show up or to connect right? 21:12:49 <MTsPony> ? = . 21:12:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not tried 21:13:11 <MTsPony> sorry questionmark is just a period. 21:13:46 <MTsPony> You're saying the downloading of the list and the servers that show up is independant of my router's config? 21:14:38 <MTsPony> If i look in my server's console i see constant [udp] queried from "random external ip" so i dont think anything is wrong there 21:15:00 <Eddi|zuHause> there are 3 steps involved here. 21:15:18 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:15:19 <Eddi|zuHause> step 1 is the server advertising, and the masterserver getting replies 21:15:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:15:25 <MTsPony> That works. 21:15:25 <Eddi|zuHause> step 2 is you downloading the list 21:15:33 <andythenorth> bye 21:15:34 <Eddi|zuHause> step 3 is you connecting to the server 21:15:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 21:15:57 <MTsPony> it goes wrong at step 2 then apparently. 21:16:14 <Eddi|zuHause> step 1 seems to be working, step 2 has a random element to it, and step 3 is probably your router configuration's fault 21:16:26 <Eddi|zuHause> step 3 should be working even if step 2 doesn't 21:16:48 <MTsPony> Step 3 == manually trying to add WAN ip fails? 21:16:53 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 21:17:15 <MTsPony> isnt that odd? as i can add any other random ip and it starts to show up? 21:17:17 <Eddi|zuHause> if you use the LAN ip in step 3, it should work 21:17:28 <MTsPony> yeah lan ip works fine from internally. 21:18:16 <MTsPony> perhaps i should cut off the communication between my two PC's and see what happens lol 21:18:36 <Eddi|zuHause> your router takes packages from inside the LAN, and forwards them to IPs outside the LAN, and vice versa. most routers by default don't get packages from inside the LAN and push them back into the LAN 21:19:08 <Eddi|zuHause> likewise, it doesn't accept packages from outside the LAN that are meant for IPs also outside the LAN 21:20:08 <Jinassi> quick fix: ask a neighbour if you can connect to his/her wifi for 5 min to test 21:21:37 <MTsPony> Actually I have connection to another seperate internet, but i can only connect through my ipad :/ 21:22:17 *** guru3 [~guru3@000128ea.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:00 <MTsPony> oh. 21:24:03 <MTsPony> it starts to show up 21:24:38 <MTsPony> I disabled IPV6 firewall (Not sure why, but i dont use ipv6 so i just did anyway) and allowed respond to ping from wan side. 21:24:49 <MTsPony> probably one of them was causing this 21:25:39 <MTsPony> i cant see why Respond ping request from wan would affect this though 21:25:43 <MTsPony> or how rather 21:25:48 <Eddi|zuHause> MTsPony: the masterserver sends out UDP packages for the server list, because TCP would create too much load on the server. but UDP packages may get lost, especially if wifi is involved 21:26:19 <MTsPony> there is no wifi involved, and i doubt my connection is by any means unstable 21:26:46 <Jinassi> we nagged his net provider to fixit 21:27:18 <Eddi|zuHause> MTsPony: anyway, it still shouldn't let you connect through the server list 21:27:34 <MTsPony> it works now 21:39:12 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91.65.115.103] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 21:44:16 *** guru3 [~guru3@000128ea.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:52:07 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3493.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 21:56:48 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A0AC3C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:47 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-8421.vo.lu] has quit [] 22:07:46 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 22:11:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18A4C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:08 <frosch123> night 22:12:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00d98b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:17:30 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-19-186.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:21:34 *** shansen [~shansen@212.17.41.140] has joined #openttd 22:38:34 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.177.165.250.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 22:50:26 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 22:58:46 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 23:00:16 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 23:02:15 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 23:21:03 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz