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(www.adiirc.com)] 01:39:42 *** jinks [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has quit [Server closed connection] 01:40:17 *** jinks [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has joined #openttd 01:48:43 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-218-77.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 01:50:50 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-218-77.tal.is] has joined #openttd 01:56:32 *** argoneus [~argoneus@argoneus.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 01:56:34 *** argoneus [~argoneus@argoneus.com] has joined #openttd 01:57:28 *** Netsplit magnet.oftc.net <-> liquid.oftc.net quits: Stimrol 01:58:33 *** Netsplit over, joins: Stimrol 02:16:23 <Flygon> Alberth: Late 60s? 02:17:42 <ST2> Alberth born in the early 40's but he never shared the youth potion with us ^^ 02:19:58 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:24:34 <Odin> Huh. Updated to NARS 2.5, the issues I was having with it are gone 02:25:01 <Odin> Right now I've got mainline freight handled by Challengers in 14 length trains, and express passenger pulled by 4-4-4-4 duplexes also at 14 length 02:25:05 <Odin> and all trains profitable 02:29:22 <Odin> And now that I think about it, that 4-4-4-4 duplex in NARS is actually the PRR T1, a rigid-frame duplex locomotive prone to violent wheelslip even at speed where most steam engines only face wheel slip when starting a heavy load 02:58:14 *** Biolunar_ [Biolunar@x4d083b59.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 02:59:44 <Flygon> Odin: I thought the wheelslip was due to careless drivers? 03:00:21 <Odin> No, even experienced drivers have it happen from time to time 03:00:46 <Odin> Its really not all that different from a burnout in a modern vehicle- you've applied more torque to the driving wheels than they have the friction to transmit 03:01:12 <Odin> But some engines are more likely to have it happen than others due to weight distribution, engine torque and balance, and rail conditions 03:01:41 <Flygon> I thought the wheelslip issues was due to the fact that the two sets of driving wheels would 'desynchronize'? 03:02:13 <Odin> The difference is where a car it will almost always stop when you let off the throttle, some designs of steam engine you can't close the throttle quickly enough, and even after closing it there is a delay period where the pipes are still full of steam- or the boiler has primed and water turning into steam is in the throttle pipe 03:02:17 <Odin> No. 03:02:34 <Odin> Duplex and Ariticulated engines have no synchronization between the two engines in the designs I've seen at least 03:03:12 <Flygon> Well, yeah 03:03:12 <Odin> Whereas each driving set is on a rigid axle- left and right cylinders are always 90 degrees apart to guarantee dead-standstill starting torque 03:03:19 <Flygon> That's why the driver had to keep the sync manually 03:03:44 <Odin> If the engines aren't slipping, whatever sync they had would be more or less preserved throughout the run 03:03:57 <Flygon> Hmm 03:04:08 <Odin> Usually though one engine would break traction and run away, and on the duplex and articulated engines this was much harder to detect and compensate for 03:04:10 <Flygon> I admit I've never tried to drive a duplex myself, soooooo 03:04:32 <Odin> Whereas a single driver steam engine, you could hear the rapid increase in chuffing as a dead giveaway 03:04:52 <Odin> I've never driven steam myself, I'm just an old fan and have spent a fair bit of time studying the matter 03:05:12 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d0241c3.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:05:17 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 03:05:44 <Odin> Along similar lines, it kinda interests me that locomotives prone to runaway didn't have flyball governors fitted 03:06:10 <Odin> On stationary engines, the flyball governor is used to make sure the engine runs at a constant speed under varable load. 03:06:16 <Flygon> Part of me haas wondered 03:06:28 <Odin> in a locomotive, having such a governor would prevent a runaway from reaching destructive speeds- as it would choke off the engine's steam supply 03:06:29 <Flygon> What'd have happened if we got to the point where we had computer assisted steam locos 03:06:41 <Odin> lol. We might find out. 03:06:55 <Flygon> As in, no fireman, so it used those spiral things to move through coal (like the H-class here) 03:06:58 <Odin> One BIG advantage of steam currently matched by no other prime mover is complete versaility of fuel 03:07:06 <Flygon> Or just plain burned oil/Diesel (like... a LOT of VR stuff) 03:07:07 <Odin> eh 03:07:18 <Odin> These days a lot of steam excursion engines are fitted for oil 03:07:27 <Flygon> We converted a LOT of stuff to Oil in the 1940s 03:07:30 <Odin> Simplifies the logistics- the engine burns the same oil used by the diesels whose track it shares 03:07:36 <Flygon> To reduce dependancy on coal we had to import from New South Wales 03:07:40 <Odin> Also because there's a shortage of strong-backed young men willing to shovel coal 03:07:48 <Flygon> It was just plain easier for us to make Oil, and later, Diesel, hahaha 03:08:24 <Odin> Usually only stationary steam and small (4-6-0 or smaller) engines are still hand stoked coal 03:08:46 <Odin> I have heard that the engines equipped with self-stokers still require a fireman to manually shovel coal. 03:09:05 <Odin> The auto-stoker doesn't make a very good fire bed, and while it will keep up steam it isn't good enough when cruising 03:09:12 <Odin> The corners of the firebox have to be filled in by hand 03:11:00 <Odin> Kind of funny though to see the PRR T1 in NARS 2.5 though 03:11:05 <Flygon> The only reason the H220 had an auto-stoker here 03:11:15 <Flygon> Is because, quite simply 03:11:15 <Odin> OpenTTD doesn't implement wheelslip other than as a change in sound effect on a hard start 03:11:27 <Flygon> VR determined that based on experience with the Spirit of Progress 03:11:42 <Flygon> It'd be physically impossible to shovel enough coal into H220's firebox to keep it running correctly 03:11:49 <Flygon> I'm not joking. 03:12:19 <Odin> How big of an engine is this? 03:12:32 <Flygon> http://www.victorianrailways.net/motive%20power/harry/h220late.jpg Meet Australia's largest non-articulated locomotive 03:12:40 <Flygon> And most powerful from the late 1930s until 1995 03:12:59 <Odin> Interesting 03:13:05 <Flygon> It was designed with the intent of hauling passenger trains 03:13:12 <Odin> It looks like a 4-8-4 though, what makes it different 03:13:24 <Flygon> Because by that point VR stopped giving a fuck and wanted their passenger trains as rock metal insane as possible 03:13:40 <Odin> Or they wanted to copy a successful design 03:13:42 <Flygon> Unfortunately, it never did get to be a good passenger loco, due to WWII 03:13:51 <Odin> That is strikingly similar to the American 4-8-4 Northern 03:14:11 <Flygon> H220/Heavy Harry was based on the S-class design. I wouldn't be surprised if it took a lot of notes from the American designs of the time tho 03:14:13 <Odin> They're quite the beast 03:14:40 <Flygon> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/86/The_Spirit_of_Progress_press_launch_with_locomotive_S302_Edward_Henty_at_Spencer_Street_Station,_November_17,_1937.jpg It's a direct evolution of this 03:15:01 <Flygon> Also a 4-8-4 03:15:08 <Flygon> Uh 03:15:10 <Flygon> Wait, no 03:15:12 <Flygon> That one's a 4-6-2 03:15:18 <Odin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_844#/media/File:Union_Pacific_844,_Painted_Rocks,_NV,_2009_%28crop%29.jpg 03:15:30 <Odin> UP 844, one of the better known American 4-8-4 engines 03:15:36 <Flygon> Huh, that IS a striking resemblance 03:15:39 <Flygon> Elephant ears and all 03:15:48 <Flygon> I didn't expect to see Elephant ears on an American loco 03:15:52 <Flygon> When was UP 844 designed? 03:15:58 <Odin> 1930s 03:16:00 <Odin> She's a late model 03:16:04 <Flygon> Hmm 03:16:15 <Flygon> Either there's some convergent evolution going on here 03:16:15 <Odin> Also the only one in the world to have continued working for her original owner without ever being retired 03:16:23 <Eddi|zuHause> <Odin> Simplifies the logistics- the engine burns the same oil used by the diesels whose track it shares <-- that sounds like a myth to me... 03:16:25 <Flygon> Or VR could somehow afford a phone call to the USA <_> 03:16:26 <Odin> Its probably the manufacturers copying each other just like they do today 03:17:06 <Odin> Eddi, it would be interesting if it wasn't 03:17:12 <Eddi|zuHause> typically, oil-fired steam engines used "bunker oil C", which was the stuff that remained at the bottom after refining out other kinds of fuel like diesel 03:17:16 <Odin> ah 03:17:23 <Odin> Interesting indeed. 03:17:39 <Eddi|zuHause> until they figured out how to further refine that 03:17:40 <Odin> I would have expected them to run on the same diesel used by the EMD locos in common service, that way they can simply top it off as needed 03:17:52 <Flygon> Oh, that's odd. The S-class wasn't a streamliner for the first 9 years of it's life... 03:17:54 <Odin> Though a loco designed for oil firing probably would specify a grade 03:17:55 <Eddi|zuHause> that, and the oil crisis, made a sudden end to oil powered steam 03:18:09 <Flygon> Ahh, okay 03:18:09 <Odin> Like I had said though, most of your excursion beasts are oil powered 03:18:18 <Odin> In the US at least 03:18:20 <Flygon> Odin: Seems like H220 might've been inspired heavily by the UP 844 03:18:24 <Flygon> H220 got churned out in 1941 03:18:28 <Odin> Yeah, it looks like they shared notes at least 03:18:36 <Odin> It is one of the more successful designs 03:18:43 <Flygon> Which definitely sets the right period for "Copying America" 03:18:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: over here, that's usually the other way around. streamliners were built in the late 30s, and after WWII, the streamlining was permanently removed because of maintenance costs 03:19:05 <Flygon> We also tended to copy the USA with regards to Tram designs 03:19:13 <Flygon> Melbourne wanted to use PCC cars, but 03:19:28 <Flygon> We couldn't afford the rights to due to currency conversion problems. Also WWII happened 03:19:54 <Flygon> So we ended up trying to create W-class Trams that imitated some of the PCC's features. eg. extra notches 03:20:08 <Flygon> Granted, 16 different notches is a bit of a far cry from the PCC's 250+ :U 03:20:30 <Odin> lol 03:20:45 <Flygon> We did, eventually 03:20:51 <Flygon> Create a W-class/PCC hybrid in the 1950s 03:20:53 <Odin> Still can't believe I saw a Loram rail grinder on the Norfolk Southern track near my apartment 03:21:06 <Odin> Also I've seen two of the big boys- 4006 and 4012. 03:21:15 <Flygon> http://tdu.to/a35586/5a%20PCC%20980%20East%20Brunswick%20March%201965%20R%20Youl%20(Red.).jpg 03:21:25 <Flygon> Unofficially 03:21:31 <Flygon> It's the fastest recorded Tram in Australia 03:21:44 <Flygon> Hitting 115km/h in a test run 03:21:51 <Eddi|zuHause> trams are not usually built for speed :p 03:22:10 <Flygon> This also meant it has been recorded going faster than suburban EMUs of the day were allowed to go :B 03:22:17 <Flygon> iirc, tho, the regular speed limit was 80km/h 03:22:41 <Flygon> Eddi: No reason not to have a speedy Tram, tho! 03:22:42 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: test runs are usually made with 110% top speed 03:22:57 <Flygon> 35 is weeelll over 10% of 80km/h :P 03:23:15 <Flygon> I don't know what prevented them going faster 03:23:23 <Odin> Anyone here by chance have pictures of Blue Peter in '92? 03:23:25 <Flygon> Probably the fact that they ran out of track before hitting suburban streets again 03:23:53 <Odin> A wheel slip blew the heads off the engine, supposidly the wheels achieved over 140 MPH 03:24:01 <Flygon> On the T1? 03:24:12 <Odin> No. Blue Peter is one of the British locomotives 03:24:15 <Flygon> Ooh 03:24:27 <Flygon> Sorry, like I said, not very familiar with non-Victorian rail history x3 03:24:35 <Odin> It had a wheel slip coming into a hill, but the boiler primed and hydrolocked the regulator 03:24:46 <Odin> Cue total runaway with a wide open regulator 03:25:00 <Flygon> (fastest our steam locos officially hit was 160km/h. New South Wales, with the 38xx class series for Sydney-Newcastle runs) 03:25:08 <Odin> The driver tried to throw the reverse to kill it, the pounding of the engine made the reverse spin back and break his arm 03:25:08 *** Cursarion [xrs@adishbestservedworldly.xrs.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 03:25:09 <Eddi|zuHause> none of these sentences make any sense 03:25:12 *** Cursarion [xrs@adishbestservedworldly.xrs.fi] has joined #openttd 03:25:29 <Flygon> (unofficially... I reckon Vic and NSW had locos that could go faster, but... there's no real records of this) 03:25:37 <Odin> I haven't put much attention into trams lol 03:25:54 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like people talking about wine tasting 03:25:57 <Eddi|zuHause> or WOW 03:25:59 <Eddi|zuHause> or ... 03:25:59 <Odin> lol 03:26:28 <Eddi|zuHause> they just spew out words, assuming the other person knows what those words mean 03:26:54 <Flygon> (the S-class in Victoria was only suppose to hit 115km/h, but had large enough wheels to quite easily facilitate operation for over 160km/h. The fastest the locos have been recorded going is 148km/h when their paper recorders ran out during a 'Spirit of Progress' run... so naturally they decided to make the train go as fast as possible for shits and gggles) 03:27:34 <Flygon> (this's ONLY known because the drivers themselves recorded it. And they still had to do half the trip well below the intended speed so that the signal boxes wouldn't record them speeding/so they wouldn't be conspicuously early) 03:27:46 <Flygon> (148km/h is an iirc figure... it was somewhere in the 14xkm/h range) 03:28:40 <Odin> A4 Mallard was recorded at 160km/h and holds the record for steam locomotives 03:28:56 <Eddi|zuHause> interesting what passes as "fast" for some people 03:29:05 <Flygon> This is probably part of the reason the H220 has smaller driving wheels, and more of them... to prevent drivers speeding, but also help acceleration anyway :U 03:29:18 <Eddi|zuHause> 160 is the top speed over here for conventinal signalling 03:29:33 <Flygon> Not that I don't think entrepeneurial drivers wouldn't have tried for 130km/h+ anyway 03:29:52 <Flygon> Eddi: In current day Victoria, 160km/h is the absolute max, with the VLocity DMUs 03:29:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Odin: the german BR 61 was scheduled with a 160km/h top speed 03:29:53 <Odin> Only if they thought they could get away with it. 03:29:58 <Flygon> And by absolute max, I mean 03:30:08 <Flygon> They still tend to run around 177km/h when behind the timetable 03:30:23 <Flygon> And have, again, unofficially, done 220km/h during test runs on new RFR track :U 03:30:40 <Flygon> Apperantly the main reason for the 160km/h cap is signal sighting issues 03:30:58 <Odin> Oh. Mallard's record is 202.5 km/h officially 03:31:13 <Odin> and 160km/h is just the speed it was capable of. 03:31:25 <Odin> Gotta look these things up every so often or I get the numbers mixed up 03:32:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Odin: that sounds more likely 03:32:33 <Odin> That's off wikipedia 03:32:33 <Flygon> (also, apperantly vibration levels around 200km/h were a tad unpleasent) 03:32:40 <Odin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LNER_Class_A4_4468_Mallard#Record 03:32:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Odin: iirc, the record was previously held by the german BR 05, for a few weeks or months 03:33:00 <Eddi|zuHause> which went around 201 in a test run 03:33:07 <Odin> Yeah, DRG Class 05 200.4km/h 03:33:20 <Odin> Mallard's run was 2 years after that 03:33:49 <Flygon> (this's exemplified by the fact that, reportedly, during one of the 220km/hish tests, the front apron of the VLo managed to fall off)" 03:33:50 <Eddi|zuHause> ah right 03:34:04 <Flygon> (from the vibrations) 03:34:23 <Eddi|zuHause> probably WWII made a stop to such record runs 03:34:39 <Flygon> I'll play devils advocate here 03:34:46 <Flygon> Mallard hit it's top speed going downhill 03:34:57 <Flygon> DRG 05 hit it's top speed on even land 03:35:36 <Eddi|zuHause> well, of course the british will be cheating in such things :p 03:35:38 <Odin> Yeah, but if you really want to be fair take them both out to the Utah salt flats on a straight perfectly level track that goes for miles 03:35:51 <Odin> Might even find a few american engines that want to go for the goal too 03:35:58 <Flygon> Odin: No need 03:36:01 <Odin> and plenty of rednecks with rocket cars trying to do it without rails 03:36:02 <Flygon> Just use existing HST track 03:36:44 <Flygon> And if we're utterly desperate to try and do a speedrun with 1600mm track.. er... well, I guess Victoria has some straight bits too :U 04:03:11 <kamnet> I did a bunch of research into trams last year for the yet-to-be-finished 2CC Trams set. beautiful set of ustralian trams 04:03:22 <kamnet> Australian trams, even 04:04:16 <kamnet> its nice to see trams making a comeback as urban and suburban light rail. 04:17:22 <Flygon> kamnet: Even with Australia, tho 04:17:37 <Flygon> There's still a huge dead-spot internationally from 1955 to 1970 /= 04:17:49 <Flygon> 1970 iirc being when the PCC Z-Class Tram experiment happenex 04:17:54 <Flygon> happaned* 04:18:07 <Flygon> Or: The PCC Car shaped Melbourne's current network :D 04:18:19 <Flygon> Tho, the actual PCC equipment stopped being used when the 2nd Z-Class Tram was made 04:20:31 <Flygon> Anyway, guys 04:20:34 <Flygon> I gotta go :3 04:20:37 <Flygon> Movies 04:20:49 <Flygon> kamnet: It'd be neat to see PCC 980 implemented and going 115km/h :P 04:21:01 <Flygon> But I can see why you wouldn't want a 1939 era Tram going that speed :B 04:21:23 <kamnet> Movies? Whatcha seeing? 04:21:40 *** JGR_ [~JGR@host86-178-171-203.range86-178.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 04:24:22 *** JGR [~JGR@host86-178-172-35.range86-178.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:24:22 *** JGR_ is now known as JGR 04:43:20 <kamnet> Good morning JGR 04:49:12 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5744.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4FEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:30:58 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 05:31:01 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 05:56:10 *** Extrems [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:58:24 *** Extrems [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 06:05:06 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 06:15:05 *** Extrems [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:21:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 06:22:14 *** Extrems [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 06:30:19 <andythenorth> o/ 06:40:11 <andythenorth> Sunday cat 06:46:14 <Alberth> moin 06:47:12 <Alberth> oh, SkiddLow is giving you a hand :) 06:47:42 <andythenorth> I saw 06:48:06 <andythenorth> probably have to put a âsmoking killsâ warning on it 06:48:21 <Alberth> :) 06:48:24 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-141-233.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 06:49:03 * andythenorth should work on some FIRS 06:50:00 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p5DCD6CB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:52:40 <Supercheese> I cannot ever make sense of what this Skiddlow character posts 06:52:52 <Supercheese> might as well put on ignore list 06:53:22 <Alberth> mostly wishes, as far as I can tell, although he sometimes makes some art too 06:53:31 <Supercheese> he has actually posted sprites before 06:53:33 *** Celestar1 [~Celestar@p5DCD6CB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:54:24 <__ln__> @seen peter1138 06:54:24 <DorpsGek> __ln__: peter1138 was last seen in #openttd 14 hours, 31 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <peter1138> oh? 06:54:38 <Alberth> yeah, and someone has coded them into newgrf too, I think 06:55:00 *** chrysn [~chrysn@prometheus.amsuess.com] has left #openttd [] 06:55:23 <Alberth> there are easier ways to highlight peter :) 06:56:07 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-93-144.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:59:35 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p5DCD6CB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:01:23 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-63-101.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 07:13:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19F5E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:34:34 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:34:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 07:39:43 *** wicope [~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:40:42 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-63-101.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:11:50 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p5DCD6CB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:12:02 <kamnet> Skiddlow's next work should be titled FIRS: Heart of Big Pharma 08:12:37 *** Celestar1 [~Celestar@p5DCD6CB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:16:24 <supermop> i want a pacific northwest economy with legal weed 08:16:46 <supermop> and more coffee of course 08:17:55 <supermop> coffee, computers, cannabis, and conifers 08:24:02 <andythenorth> single-speed bikes 08:24:03 <andythenorth> hipsters 08:24:13 <andythenorth> grunge bands 08:24:19 <andythenorth> post-grunge bands 08:25:55 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x4d00d7ce.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 08:55:20 <Alberth> hoi 08:57:00 <frosch123> moin 08:59:24 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27250 trunk/config.lib (2015-04-26 10:59:20 +0200 ) 08:59:25 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6286]: Broken error message in configure. (NG) 09:00:06 <Flygon> kamnet: Age of Ultron 09:00:17 <kamnet> how was it? 09:01:11 <frosch123> ouch, i must be early... the americans are still awake :p 09:01:47 <Alberth> :) 09:02:01 <Rubidium> yeah, it's only 02:00 on the west coast and 05:00 on the east coast 09:02:58 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:03:20 <kamnet> I went to bed at midnight and woke up an hour ago. 09:15:06 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:20:29 <Flygon> kamnet: A worthy sequel 09:20:33 <Flygon> But not aaas good as the first 09:26:50 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p5DCD6CB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:30:07 *** wicope [~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:51:26 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27251 /trunk/src (road_gui.cpp station_cmd.cpp) (2015-04-26 11:51:24 +0200 ) 09:51:27 <DorpsGek> -Feature [FS#6252]: Make Ctrl+Remove-Roadstop also remove the road, just like for rail stations. (adf88) 10:00:41 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:24:01 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27252 trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp (2015-04-26 12:23:55 +0200 ) 10:24:02 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6281]: Invalid infrastructure counting when crossing tram tracks with railroads. (adf88) 10:26:13 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27253 trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp (2015-04-26 12:26:07 +0200 ) 10:26:14 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6282]: When crossing tram tracks with railroads, cost of extra roads was not being counted. (adf88) 10:29:31 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:35:07 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host246-73-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:35:17 <Wolf01> o/ 10:40:01 <Alberth> moin 10:47:55 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 10:50:43 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27254 trunk/src/water_cmd.cpp (2015-04-26 12:50:36 +0200 ) 10:50:44 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6264]: When building a lock on DC_AUTO-removable water-based objects, the water class was always set to canal. 10:55:47 <kamnet> Hmmm... is there a way in vanilla openttd w/ default vehicles to completely disable property maintenance? 10:56:21 <frosch123> you can use a basecost newgrf to reduce running cost to 1/1024 10:57:16 <kamnet> but no setting within OpenTTD itself? 10:57:33 <frosch123> no, the running cost setting only has "low", which is only 1/2 10:58:10 <kamnet> And what exactly is "Other"? 10:58:26 <frosch123> where? :p 10:58:32 <frosch123> in the basecost newgrf? 10:58:48 <kamnet> In the finance window 10:59:20 <frosch123> there is some weird base amount that costs every month 10:59:32 <frosch123> and there are cheats and money transfers 10:59:59 <frosch123> i think i's also the town actions 11:00:06 <frosch123> advertisement, exclusive rights, statue 11:00:15 <frosch123> well, "other" stuff :p 11:00:42 <kamnet> Trying to figure out what's costing me 0/year steady. 11:01:01 <frosch123> that is the base amount 11:01:08 <frosch123> must be the salary for yourself or something werid 11:01:19 <frosch123> somethnig from ttd, which noone knows about :) 11:01:31 <kamnet> Basically just something that burns your cash for the sake of it. 11:06:58 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FD6EC13.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:07:06 <kamnet> I can't see where there's a justification for the "Other" base amount, then. 11:07:48 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27255 trunk/src/widget.cpp (2015-04-26 13:07:41 +0200 ) 11:07:49 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6270]: Combined button+dropdown widgets in order and autoreplace GUI had incorrect hitbox when using GUI zoom. (_dp_) 11:09:35 <frosch123> kamnet: it's in economy.cpp:830 11:09:46 <frosch123> it's an uncondition fee that appears every month 11:18:34 <Alberth> secret fee to pay to CS for playing his game :p 11:22:55 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@80.229.50.235] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:26:48 <kamnet> heh. there's a way to make some money for OpenTTD: charge users a penny for every in-game month for a license fee :D 11:27:59 <frosch123> no worries, we get more by forwarding every mouse click to the nsa 11:28:41 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@80.229.50.235] has joined #openttd 11:30:33 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has joined #openttd 11:30:36 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has quit [] 11:31:10 <kamnet> I figured you'd get double that just for forewarding it to Google instead 11:31:45 <frosch123> ah, good to know :) 11:32:41 *** Supercheese is now known as Guest3222 11:32:47 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 11:34:58 <frosch123> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pogxnogid?/pogxnogid <- FS#6165: i think it's reasonable 11:37:02 <Rubidium> and it looks reasonable 11:38:01 *** Guest3222 [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:40:33 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C33B2.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:42:26 <frosch123> ok :) 11:44:04 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27256 trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp (2015-04-26 13:43:58 +0200 ) 11:44:05 <DorpsGek> -Change [FS#6165]: Do not consider cargo that is already being loaded as waiting cargo wrt. the station rating. 11:47:32 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FD6EC13.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:54:29 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.187.11] has joined #openttd 12:35:06 <NGC3982> :E 12:56:23 *** supermop [~supermop@d210-49-171-146.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:37 *** Biolunar_ [Biolunar@x4d083b59.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:38:21 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 13:43:58 *** DanMacK [~3fee8a84@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:44:07 <DanMacK> @seen andythenorth 13:44:07 <DorpsGek> DanMacK: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 5 hours, 19 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <andythenorth> post-grunge bands 13:54:02 <Flygon> That's weird 13:54:18 <Flygon> This town doesn't have any roads where it's townname is 13:54:21 <Flygon> Not the take time 13:54:23 <Flygon> tile* 14:34:27 <kamnet> Interesting 14:35:20 *** DanMacK [~3fee8a84@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:37:11 <Flygon> kamnet: It looks one tile off 14:37:24 <kamnet> Hm. 14:45:19 <Flygon> Does a bridge tile count as a road tile? 15:49:47 *** roidal_ [~roland@194-152-171-197.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 15:50:05 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.customer.cloud.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54:27 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-141-233.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:04:29 *** DanMacK [~3fee8a84@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:04:42 <DanMacK> Hey all 16:05:39 <Alberth> o/ 16:33:40 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:48 *** Netsplit magnet.oftc.net <-> weber.oftc.net quits: mikegrb 17:08:56 *** Netsplit over, joins: mikegrb 17:26:48 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:28:37 <DanMacK> o/ 17:32:24 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:36 <frosch123> you switched roles 17:39:23 <andythenorth> @seen DanMacK 17:39:24 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: DanMacK was last seen in #openttd 10 minutes and 45 seconds ago: <DanMacK> o/ 17:40:43 <DanMacK> lmao 18:05:25 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 18:09:44 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:11:28 *** shadowolf211 [~oftc-webi@c-71-228-207-73.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:14:29 *** shadowolf211 [~oftc-webi@c-71-228-207-73.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:13 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:26 *** Pereba [~UserNick@191.32.181.177] has joined #openttd 19:06:45 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:58 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FD6EC13.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:20:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6C5EC.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:23:09 *** username [~chatzilla@ppp046177054151.access.hol.gr] has joined #openttd 19:24:17 *** username is now known as locomotiva 19:24:25 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-218-77.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 19:24:29 <locomotiva> hi guys 19:25:18 <locomotiva> i ÂŽm an openttd fan and i have a problem with openttd 1.5 19:25:48 <frosch123> sorry, we cannot help with addiction problems 19:26:18 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-218-77.tal.is] has joined #openttd 19:26:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.187.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:20 <locomotiva> where can i ask if the game freeze or crash after trying to play a load game ? 19:29:58 <frosch123> try loading some other savegame 19:30:36 <locomotiva> same situation in every savegame on 1.5.0 19:32:19 <frosch123> i have not heard of any such problem 19:32:27 <frosch123> do you at least get some error messagE? 19:34:42 <locomotiva> me too. after the update from 1.4.4 to 1.5.0 if i try to load a savegame, the ttd mostly freeze and some times crash and close. 19:37:17 <locomotiva> and theres no error message 19:37:26 *** roidal_ [~roland@194-152-171-197.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 19:37:41 <frosch123> maybe try to post your savegame somewhere on the forums 19:37:50 <frosch123> so other people can see whether they can load it 19:38:04 <andythenorth> oops 19:38:07 <andythenorth> hot coffee is hot 19:38:24 <locomotiva> how can post a save game ??? 19:39:02 <peter1138> bugs.openttd.org 19:39:09 <frosch123> tt-forums.net 19:40:59 <locomotiva> and the problem is not in a unique savesame, the freezing happens in every savegame. 19:48:18 <__ln__> is it about savegames at all? 19:48:28 <__ln__> does it freeze if you start a new game? 20:01:33 <Odin> What would cause cargo to dissappear from the station 20:01:46 <frosch123> rating < 25% or something 20:01:51 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FD6EC13.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [] 20:01:54 <Odin> Like, I have a line of trucks bringing coal to a rail station to be put on the train, but in between trains the level of cargo slowly decreases 20:02:06 <Odin> Ah. 15% rating yeah 20:02:06 <Odin> okay 20:02:10 <Odin> Easily fixed 20:07:10 *** mijet74k [~oftc-webi@movl-208-126-133-31.wiatel.net] has joined #openttd 20:09:47 <mijet74k> I am new to OpenTTD. I recently have a problem. I create my scenario and when I open it to play, I have no train engines available. I suppose it is in the scenario settings, but I cannot find it. 20:10:15 <Odin> What year are you starting in 20:10:23 <mijet74k> 2100 20:10:39 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 20:10:55 <mijet74k> what do I do now? 20:11:56 <Wolf01> start in 1930-1950 20:12:37 <mijet74k> Really?? That is the problem? I will try that...thanks Wolf01 20:12:51 <Wolf01> or /resetengines in console 20:12:54 <Wolf01> or cheat the date 20:12:59 <Wolf01> or both 20:13:46 <Wolf01> if you want to use the resetengines command, you should enable the "vehicles never expire" setting 20:13:55 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:14:04 <mijet74k> Okay, thanks 20:15:32 *** mijet74k [~oftc-webi@movl-208-126-133-31.wiatel.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:29 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:18:24 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 20:22:55 <locomotiva> @ _In_ the game freeze or crash only if i load a savegame, in new game works perfect! 20:23:18 <frosch123> did you rename engine models? 20:26:12 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FD6EC13.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:26:21 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C33B2.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 20:27:54 <DanMacK> And if you start a new game, save it and reload it, does it freeze too? 20:29:37 <locomotiva> yes 20:31:00 <locomotiva> for example at 99 out of 100 times 20:35:50 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FD6EC13.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x4d00d7ce.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:50:00 <locomotiva> i try this: i start a new game and save it, and load and the savegame load and dont freeze. after that i try to load older savegames and do not freeze too... i donÂŽt know how this happens... 20:51:54 <locomotiva> sorry my english... 20:52:40 *** bosCage [~boscage@71.81.208.108] has joined #openttd 20:56:51 <locomotiva> sorry for my english... 20:59:04 <locomotiva> if anybody have a solution how can i fix the game-crashes and freezing if i load a savegame. iÂŽm waitinghere. 21:00:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:00:46 *** DanMacK [~3fee8a84@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:01:28 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-117-208.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:01:44 *** bosCage [~boscage@71.81.208.108] has left #openttd [] 21:03:28 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d083b59.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 21:06:42 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:24:13 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@vadtec.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:25:27 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:03 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@vadtec.net] has joined #openttd 21:26:42 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@tinodidriksen.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:27:13 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@tinodidriksen.com] has joined #openttd 21:32:37 *** tneo [~tneo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:32:39 *** tneo [~tneo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 21:38:44 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has joined #openttd 21:48:06 *** SpBot [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 21:51:49 *** guru3-vps [~guru3-vps@109.200.19.187] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:52:18 *** guru3-vps [~guru3-vps@109.200.19.187] has joined #openttd 21:54:16 <Wolf01> 'night 21:54:19 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:59:54 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.customer.cloud.nl] has joined #openttd 22:00:26 *** UukGoblin [~jaa@yatima.uukgoblin.net] has joined #openttd 22:01:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19F5E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:37 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@80.229.50.235] has joined #openttd 22:04:54 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> osmotic.oftc.net quits: Prof_Frink, TheIJ, HobGoblin, jinks, efess 22:04:54 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 22:06:06 *** Netsplit over, joins: jinks 22:06:39 *** nikow [nikow@i.am-a.cat] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:06:40 *** nikow [nikow@i.am-a.cat] has joined #openttd 22:08:39 *** TheIJ [~rita@188.226.187.103] has joined #openttd 22:32:53 *** __ln__ [~lauri@cable-tku-58c3cb-155.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:33:05 *** __ln__ [~lauri@cable-tku-58c3cb-155.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 22:33:47 *** locomotiva [~chatzilla@ppp046177054151.access.hol.gr] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [SeaMonkey 2.33.1/20150321194827]] 22:40:41 *** Taede [~T@neuron.nurionis.co.uk] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:42:16 *** Taede [~T@neuron.nurionis.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:55:17 *** theholyduck [~theholydu@2602:ffea:1:73b::8c23] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:55:35 *** theholyduck [~theholydu@2602:ffea:1:73b::8c23] has joined #openttd 23:00:00 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@000128f3.user.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 23:00:06 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@voyager.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 23:03:18 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 23:11:19 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@hephaestus.untrust.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 23:11:37 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@hephaestus.untrust.org] has joined #openttd 23:25:20 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:26:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6C5EC.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:36:21 *** ST2 [~ST2@2607:5300:60:1bde::1] has quit [Server closed connection] 23:36:29 *** ST2 [~ST2@2607:5300:60:1bde::1] has joined #openttd 23:37:53 *** DarkenMoon [DarkenMoon@2602:100:6028:c90e:cc20:f88d:beb5:216] has joined #openttd 23:45:57 *** urdh [urdh@00013d7a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 23:46:00 *** urdh [urdh@00013d7a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:59:11 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #openttd