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00:05:37 <Samu> With a FX-8150 CPU and an upload speed on 3000 Kbps I'd like to set up my servers with the compression method that closely matches the upload rate of my internet. 00:05:52 <Samu> fixed explanation, sorry, lol, I'm sleepy 00:12:19 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:18:01 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:33:56 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@177.6.7.125] has joined #openttd 00:34:11 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 00:41:39 *** BiG_Clockie_MF [~Clockwork@177.6.7.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:54:59 *** tycoondemon2 [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 00:59:47 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:59:26 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 02:18:48 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:28:08 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d024ffe.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 02:35:04 *** Biolunar_ [Biolunar@x4d024cf2.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:35:17 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 03:06:46 *** Clockworker [Clockworke@200.102.123.31] has joined #openttd 03:12:59 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@177.6.7.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:51:14 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:52:33 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has joined #openttd 05:16:41 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 06:27:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 06:39:25 *** supermop_ [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 06:45:29 *** supermop [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:51:25 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 06:52:24 *** ConductCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 06:58:48 *** ConductorCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:12:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:21:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 07:24:30 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 07:26:07 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 08:08:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:09:13 <Wolf01> o/ 08:11:51 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 08:15:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 08:19:00 <Wolf01> o/ 08:21:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:36:32 <peter1138> bah @ perl scripts causing a segfault 08:43:47 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 08:46:47 *** Monkey_ [~Monkey@84.255.151.185] has joined #openttd 08:49:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 09:01:01 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 09:12:58 *** Monkey_ [~Monkey@84.255.151.185] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:14:15 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:20:00 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-195-191.gdiv2.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 09:50:23 <Samu> I'd like to drag and drop a savegame file on OpenTTD executable and have it launch and load the dropped savegame 09:52:35 <peter1138> isn't that just a case of making it accept a filename as the only argument, instead of requiring -g? 09:55:11 <Samu> start /D "C:\Program Files\OpenTTD" openttd.exe -g %1 09:55:19 <Samu> this works, but it's a batch file :( 09:55:33 <Samu> i drag on the batch file 09:55:39 <Samu> er, drag and drop on 09:59:49 <Samu> D:\OpenTTD\Core1\save\autosave>start /D "C:\Program Files\OpenTTD" openttd.exe -g "D:\OpenTTD\Core1\save\autosave\SOME HÃRRBIdd45t~fdagfad~~erãrta savegame NÃmeee32~~we~~~f~3.sav" 10:00:09 <Samu> it works ! 10:00:28 <Samu> even with horrible names 10:21:12 *** Monkey_ [~Monkey@84.255.151.185] has joined #openttd 10:44:51 <Samu> how to i post png in forums? 10:45:07 <Samu> if the forum hosts the .png image, it won't display in the post 10:45:11 <Samu> why? 10:45:19 <andythenorth> works for me 10:45:22 <andythenorth> sorry :( 10:45:26 <Samu> hmm what am i doing wrong then 10:45:28 <andythenorth> dimensions? 10:45:41 <andythenorth> I use 8 bit and 24 bit pngs in forums, no problems 10:45:48 <Samu> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=48281&p=1166705#p1166705 10:46:00 <Samu> it's big 10:46:00 <andythenorth> dimensions 10:46:10 <andythenorth> forums limit is 800x600 or so for inline images 10:46:11 <Samu> 1920x1080 or somewhere 10:46:25 <Samu> oki, that makes sense, ty 10:46:43 <Samu> exactly 1920x1001 11:05:34 <planetmaker> well... do not inline images larger than 800x600, Samu 11:06:15 <planetmaker> bigger ones will automatically be shown as clickable links 11:11:45 *** MonkeyDronez [~Monkey@84.255.150.98] has joined #openttd 11:19:04 *** Monkey_ [~Monkey@84.255.151.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:50:06 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:52:56 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 11:55:08 <Wolf01> meh... no emulator with the right display resolution :E 11:57:40 *** Clockworker_ [Clockworke@200.102.123.31] has joined #openttd 11:57:41 *** Clockworker [Clockworke@200.102.123.31] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:18 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:39:48 *** ConductorCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:44:06 *** ConductCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:56:27 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 13:23:33 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:23:58 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:25:17 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:51 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:37:42 <supermop_> kitbashed sprites last night andythenorth 13:41:35 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:42:05 <andythenorth> devzone issue? 13:44:53 <supermop_> hm? 13:46:43 <supermop_> hacked IH mk3 passenger car to be a generic MU box 13:47:20 <supermop_> then cut into 1/8 segments to make modular stand-ins for everything until draw better sprites 13:49:57 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:12 <andythenorth> supermop_: put sprites here if you have any http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/issues 13:50:26 <supermop_> ok 13:57:54 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 14:06:35 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 14:06:38 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 14:07:08 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a34a:9000:c21:6fe6:cc3:4630] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:13:55 <supermop_> need more variety of lengths than 4, 6, and 8? 14:14:36 <andythenorth> depends 14:14:47 <andythenorth> by preference, lengths are 4/8 or 8/8 14:14:57 <andythenorth> 4/8 is rarely practical in which case 6/8 is best 14:15:02 <andythenorth> sometimes 5/8 is needed 14:15:21 <peter1138> are corners fixed yet? 14:15:23 <andythenorth> ease of building whole unit lengths is important, but it still has to look nice 14:15:23 <supermop_> 4/6/8 easier to modularize 14:15:35 <andythenorth> peter1138: âfixedâ 14:15:44 <andythenorth> they certainly havenât changed :P 14:16:28 <peter1138> heh 14:16:40 <supermop_> share sheet as a google sheet? or upload xls to devzone 14:17:03 <peter1138> this software has server and client versions, 1140011-Server-r2d2.zip ... 1140011-Client-c3po.zip 14:18:02 <andythenorth> supermop_: laboriously manually formatted, like this? :x http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/8120 14:18:07 * andythenorth has war on formatting 14:18:14 <supermop_> was thinking to make most locomotives 6/8 bc technically narrow gauge, but JR trains aren't that small 14:18:38 <Alberth> hi hi 14:18:39 <supermop_> and they aren't running alongside SG locomotives 14:18:39 <andythenorth> I noticed the diesels I found look long 14:18:45 <supermop_> they are 14:18:53 <andythenorth> and are B-B-B and other weird configurations 14:19:01 <andythenorth> lo Alberth 14:19:19 <supermop_> not sure if should put more locomotives back in to embrace their weirdness 14:19:29 <supermop_> but need not be small for contrast 14:19:45 <peter1138> also 14:19:49 <peter1138> is there a rift version of ottd yet? 14:20:01 <supermop_> hacking little bear to be small 50s/60s diesel 14:20:30 <supermop_> might make a "big bear" too, or do the bigger diesel as carbody 14:20:44 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-174.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 14:21:30 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 14:21:39 <Samu> i dont understand the windows firewall 14:25:01 <supermop_> andythenorth: would like to shoehorn this guy in there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KiHa_281_series 14:25:18 <supermop_> bc already thought up a bunch of names 14:27:27 <andythenorth> âFujiâ has to be one of them 14:29:55 <supermop_> that dmu lives up north 14:30:02 <supermop_> so names are shit like yuki 14:30:20 <supermop_> shiba for small diesel and akita for big one? 14:32:17 <supermop_> or kuma -chan and dai-kuma for little bear and big bear? 14:32:43 <supermop_> fuji should be something tokkaido inspired 14:32:48 <supermop_> steam or shinkansen 14:33:18 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 14:34:06 <Samu> server 8 isn't being recognized from the master server 14:34:13 <Samu> what is wrong, damn it :( 14:34:34 *** M-E [~M@ip4da0d6bd.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:35:17 <Samu> windows firewall was never easy with Openttd 14:35:18 <supermop_> early commuter emu must be named hachiko 14:35:33 <Samu> when it works, i have no idea why it works 14:35:41 <Samu> now i'm on the case it's not working 14:37:38 <Samu> why's that server 7 is receving all spectators from 1 to 8 when they're joining the other servers? 14:37:52 <Samu> i hate windows firewall 14:40:31 <Samu> i get game still paused (connecting clients) on server 7 for each spectator client that is joining the other servers, is this normal? they join their respective servers, but all the notices are dumped on server 7 for some reason 14:46:30 *** _johannes [~johannes@port-92-203-157-156.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:54:32 <peter1138> what crazy madness are you up to? 14:58:11 <Samu> dealing with windows firewall :( 14:59:03 <Samu> what's a domain? public domain, private domain, and a 3rd one i can't recall name 15:01:53 <argoneus> how are my train friends doing 15:06:03 *** Clockworker__ [Clockworke@200.102.123.31] has joined #openttd 15:06:03 *** Clockworker_ [Clockworke@200.102.123.31] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11:51 <peter1138> windows firewall is simple so maybe you do something wrong 15:14:58 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d024ffe.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:16:22 <Samu> do you see my servers listed? I can't trust my own list 15:17:16 <Samu> FX-8150 Core 1 to 8, they haveto be 8 15:17:20 <peter1138> fx-8150 core? yes 15:17:25 <peter1138> https://www.openttd.org/en/servers 15:17:49 <Samu> funny firewall 15:18:02 <Samu> i have absolutely no idea what made it work suddenly 15:19:46 <Samu> the server didn't answer the request 15:19:58 <Samu> i bet it's screwed alrady 15:20:59 <Samu> I don't get it... i can't join server 8 with my spectator batches 15:21:09 <Samu> and then server 8 also disappears from the list 15:23:35 <Samu> grrr, gonna try this again 15:24:53 <Samu> started all 8 servers 15:25:42 <Samu> master server doesn't recognize a server timing out 15:32:41 <Samu> ok now it works 15:32:45 <Samu> better not touch this anymore 15:33:00 <Samu> it works and i have no idea why it works now, but i don't care 15:36:42 <Eddi|zuHause> <supermop_> early commuter emu must be named hachiko <- Gesundheit. 15:39:44 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 15:43:01 <Samu> screenshot doesn't capture game chat :( 15:46:43 <Samu> http://i.imgur.com/p7hyI1j.jpg - this is what happens when i join server 7 15:47:11 <Samu> it lists game still paused 7 times, what's that? 15:47:30 <Samu> when i join the other servers, it doesn't do that 15:49:47 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-174.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:24 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:58:22 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:59:53 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest10733 15:59:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:00:41 <Wolf01> I think the router rebooted after reaching 999 hours of uptime 16:05:02 *** Guest10733 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:05:15 <Eddi|zuHause> typically this kind of problems are around 42 days (32-bit amount of seconds) 16:05:41 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 2*32/24/3600 16:05:41 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 0.000740740740741 16:05:48 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 2**32/24/3600 16:05:48 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 49710.2696296 16:05:57 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-174.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 16:05:59 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, milliseconds 16:06:07 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 2**32/24/3600/1000 16:06:07 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 49.7102696296 16:06:18 <Eddi|zuHause> there, 49 days 16:06:41 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 2**32/3600/1000 16:06:41 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 1193.04647111 16:06:42 <Wolf01> it might be 16:18:47 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:18:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 16:25:19 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:30:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6CAA6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:30:11 <supermop_> andythenorth: i stole your electra pantographs 16:30:33 <andythenorth> I wonât miss them tbh 16:34:23 <supermop_> drew a reddish one, then realized i really don't want to draw it in 4 angles at this point so stole that one 16:34:42 <supermop_> does ih have anything with a single-arm pantograph? 16:34:42 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:14 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 16:35:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~farci@i59F6B23F.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:42:51 <andythenorth> supermop_: double juice 16:43:16 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/entry/src/graphics/double_juice_0.png 16:43:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18578.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:45:28 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:52:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:54:06 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:54:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:54:19 *** MonkeyDronez [~Monkey@84.255.150.98] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:42 <supermop_> ok ill lift that later 17:09:00 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:19:52 <supermop_> devzone log in not working 17:23:30 *** MonkeyDronez [~MonkDAce@80.88.255.44] has joined #openttd 17:26:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:27:46 <Samu> new patch :p 17:27:49 <Samu> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=74694&p=1166603#p1166603 17:28:17 <Samu> and a new problem, I shifted the problem from slot 1 to the last configurable slot 17:28:28 <Samu> I need suggestions 17:28:51 *** MonkeyDrone [~MonkDAce@80.88.255.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:48:14 <Samu> I think I got an idea 17:48:44 <Samu> brb 18:04:43 <andythenorth> can someone give alluke the FIRS prize? I just donât have the heart. 18:05:10 <V453000> andythenorth: ? 18:05:19 <andythenorth> the clue is here, in bold http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1166266#p1166266 18:05:28 <andythenorth> twice 18:05:42 <andythenorth> although I might have fucked up min. compatible version by the sound of it :( 18:06:18 <V453000> well he is extremely retarded so 18:06:19 <V453000> .. 18:06:47 <andythenorth> see, this is the kind of player we need to see more of: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1166739#p1166739 18:06:54 <andythenorth> solves his own problem, using the docs provided 18:07:07 <andythenorth> more of that 18:07:26 <V453000> factorio has people like that 18:07:50 <andythenorth> so does openttd 18:08:07 <andythenorth> but eh 18:08:32 <V453000> I dare say the % is different 18:08:50 <V453000> factorio doesn't lure realism idiots 18:08:54 <andythenorth> it will 18:09:00 <andythenorth> the effect is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September 18:09:11 <V453000> yes, steam and getting more popular certainly brings "wider audience 18:09:16 <andythenorth> itâs usually a sign of success 18:09:38 <V453000> ye 18:10:11 <andythenorth> go back to 2008 in tt-forums, what you have is frequent ottd releases with new features, and a bunch of people with untested ideas to improve the game 18:10:24 <andythenorth> now what you have is experience, and reddit 18:11:00 <V453000> quite true 18:11:09 <V453000> so why should I make a new train set you say? :) 18:12:28 <andythenorth> because you enjoy it? o_O 18:14:14 <V453000> point taken :D 18:14:30 <V453000> let's think about it again when I have a little more time 18:14:50 <andythenorth> V453000: youâre short of time? :o 18:14:57 <andythenorth> you donât _need_ to sleep 18:15:36 <V453000> baby, moving, redoing trains for factorio 18:15:41 <V453000> utter insanity 18:16:06 <andythenorth> http://www.nyupress.org/netwars/pages/chapter03/ch03_.html 18:17:53 <V453000> xd 18:22:12 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:24:24 <_johannes> I'd like to create a documentation for the railnet graph exporter... 18:24:36 <_johannes> has openttd already a latex/similar documentation? 18:24:42 <_johannes> like an "openttd manual" ? 18:24:45 *** alluke [~54fa666b@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:25:42 <Alberth> wiki.openttd.org 18:26:04 <_johannes> what if you're online? 18:26:16 <_johannes> maybe playing openttd on a long train journey? :) 18:26:41 <Alberth> s/on/off/ I guess 18:26:50 <Alberth> but no wiki then :) 18:27:03 <Alberth> although nowadays people are online 24/7 18:27:30 <_johannes> well... German trains... 18:28:03 <_johannes> though I agree that it's probably the future that everyone has internet... 18:28:47 <Eddi|zuHause> there's also doxygen, if you want to go into more technical details 18:29:05 <Alberth> good point 18:29:33 <_johannes> let's try the wiki for now... 18:30:37 <Wolf01> enougn development for today 18:30:49 <Wolf01> *h 18:30:55 <alluke> which cargo label does firs 2 use for vehicles? 18:31:18 <Eddi|zuHause> you know there's a wiki page all about cargo labels? 18:31:22 <alluke> yeah 18:31:27 <alluke> not sure if its updated 18:31:37 <Eddi|zuHause> did you check? 18:32:11 <alluke> but i doesnt seem to be VEHI since trainset doesnt offer car transporters for it 18:32:34 <Eddi|zuHause> there's also a FIRS documentation website 18:32:37 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 18:32:51 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:34:12 <alluke> as expected the wiki is outdated 18:34:45 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you're a good candidate to update it :po 18:36:35 <V453000> ^ 18:37:15 <alluke> nah 18:37:25 <alluke> i wont touch anything im not familiar with 18:37:40 <V453000> nice 18:38:07 <Eddi|zuHause> but why should we be more familiar with it? 18:38:24 <Eddi|zuHause> you're only familiar with things you make yourself familiar with 18:38:24 <alluke> i dindt ask anyone to update it 18:41:15 * andythenorth canât update it 18:47:04 <Samu> question: int max_slot = GetGameSettings().difficulty.max_no_competitors - 1; how do I get the hard cap value for max_no_competitors and not the value that is set for the current game? 18:47:52 <alluke> andy which cargo label does vehicles use? 18:49:06 <Samu> I want it to return the maximum value from the settings.ini, which is MAX_COMPANIES 18:56:12 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:26 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 19:01:49 <alluke> nevermind 19:02:01 <alluke> the year wasnt soon enough for the car wagon xD 19:02:06 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:08:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:09:54 <andythenorth> nobody fixed it then eh? http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/CargoTypes#Cargo_Labels 19:10:04 <andythenorth> Iâd better ask someone in forums again 19:12:33 <Alberth> andythenorth: what does need fixing? 19:12:59 <andythenorth> :) http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1166747#p1166747 19:13:03 <andythenorth> it is a grumpy Friday eh? 19:14:12 <andythenorth> alluke what is unclear about ânot savegame compatibleâ 19:14:27 <andythenorth> I feel like I must have fucked up that statement somewhere, but I canât honestly see where the problem is 19:14:33 <alluke> i know that and im not trying to replace old firs with new one 19:14:53 <alluke> i have done successful industry swaps in many games 19:15:25 <andythenorth> what is an industry swap? 19:15:26 <Alberth> done 19:15:27 <alluke> the poin t is that i bomb the old industries and found completely new to replace them 19:15:29 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-195-191.gdiv2.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 19:15:46 <andythenorth> how did you get old industries in a new game? 19:15:59 <alluke> i can make a video for you if it helps 19:16:12 <andythenorth> I donât understand how you can bomb old industries 19:16:13 <Alberth> bombing industries doesn't do much 19:16:20 <andythenorth> there are no old industries in new game 19:16:33 <alluke> but in existing game is 19:16:38 <alluke> old save 19:16:46 <andythenorth> so itâs a savegame? 19:16:50 <alluke> yes 19:17:02 <Alberth> he's changing newgrfs 19:17:07 <andythenorth> so help me, how can I state it clearer? 19:17:21 <andythenorth> is it the word âincompatibleâ thatâs confusing? 19:17:24 <andythenorth> or the word ânot" 19:17:25 <andythenorth> ? 19:17:33 <andythenorth> âwill break savegamesâ? 19:17:37 <andythenorth> is that better? 19:17:54 <alluke> when i add new industry grf, i dont expect the industries to work 19:18:10 <Alberth> and they didn't what is the problem? 19:18:42 <alluke> but previously when i have added new, incompatible industry grf to a game 19:18:51 <Alberth> you were lucky 19:18:51 <alluke> i have bombed the existing stuff 19:18:59 <alluke> and founded new ones from the menu 19:19:06 <alluke> and they have worked fine 19:19:10 <Alberth> including all the industries that will occur in the future? 19:19:17 <alluke> actually firs 2 works fine too but the graphics are missing 19:19:26 <andythenorth> yes 19:19:31 <andythenorth> that is expected 19:20:14 <Alberth> alluke: when you change newgrfs, things will at some point break, it may take years, but it will happen 19:20:21 <Alberth> today was your lucky day 19:21:05 <Alberth> the red warning window is not there for nothing 19:23:29 <alluke> yeah 19:23:34 <V453000> I hereby give you retard of the century award alluke 19:23:41 <alluke> thanks 19:29:17 <andythenorth> alluke: thanks btw ;) 19:29:25 <andythenorth> for amusement 19:30:44 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 19:30:52 <alluke> hmm 19:31:10 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 19:32:03 <alluke> i tried to load old savegame without any industry set and which is saved with 1.0.0 or something like that and firs industries look fine 19:32:09 *** _johannes [~johannes@port-92-203-157-156.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:28 <andythenorth> alluke: _without_ any industry set? :O 19:32:35 <andythenorth> are you cast iron certain? 19:32:38 <alluke> well built-in stuff 19:32:50 <alluke> no industry grfs 19:32:59 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33:20 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 19:33:35 <andythenorth> and when you broke your savegame with FIRS 2, what industries had broken sprites? 19:33:49 * andythenorth is placing a small bet here 19:34:02 <alluke> i had arctic basic parameter 19:34:18 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 19:34:22 *** ConductCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:34:23 <alluke> oil refineries, pyrite chain, and oil refineries didnt work 19:34:39 <alluke> port, paper mill worked 19:34:46 <alluke> and grain mill in other game 19:35:11 <alluke> oil wells work too 19:37:56 <frosch123> andythenorth: you changed grfid, right? 19:38:54 <alluke> yes he did 19:39:08 <alluke> but its not the problem 19:39:16 <frosch123> i guess it is 19:39:34 <frosch123> a savegame remembers which ids are assigned to which grf forever 19:39:48 <frosch123> if you keep on adding new newgrfs, at some point all ids are used 19:40:04 <alluke> ive done successful swaps between different industry grfs before too 19:40:05 <alluke> hmm 19:40:16 <frosch123> it's like a heavy metal poison 19:40:22 <alluke> that may be the problem then 19:40:35 <alluke> not enough ids 19:40:40 <frosch123> a bit of lead does not hurt 19:40:46 <frosch123> a bit of lead every day hurts 19:40:50 <alluke> and then the problem is in ottds code 19:41:01 <frosch123> no, you are the problem 19:41:12 *** ConductorCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:41:57 <alluke> youre so mean :( 19:43:20 <frosch123> mean would be to make ottd post to twitter "i am a teenager" when starting a 4k x 4k map 19:45:10 <alluke> are big maps for kids? 19:48:01 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 19:48:20 <andythenorth> mean would be encoding subtly and horribly random production behaviour into FIRS 19:48:42 <andythenorth> or even better, deterministically horrible, but with just enough variation to confuse people 19:48:45 <supermop_> reclying plant? 19:49:02 <andythenorth> the potential is so much more... 19:49:07 <supermop_> i actually find ports too deterministic 19:49:31 <andythenorth> frosch123: any chance of a variable to check âthis tile is currently drawn in a viewportâ? o_O 19:50:50 <frosch123> what? :p 19:51:06 * andythenorth considers industries that misbehave, but only when no player is looking 19:51:09 <frosch123> we can add a variable whether the world is still rotating 19:51:12 <supermop_> 4/4 railcar is too chibi 19:51:19 <andythenorth> theyâd destroy your network, but youâd never see why 19:52:27 <andythenorth> supermop_: railcars have to add up to multiples of 1.0 19:52:35 <andythenorth> so you get 8/8 or 4/8, or 16/8 :P 19:52:37 <supermop_> this is a placeholder 19:52:39 <andythenorth> and I wonât support 16/8 19:52:59 <supermop_> cutting my same railcar into 4,5,6 and 8 19:53:15 <frosch123> andythenorth: make it depend on the phase of the moon 19:53:19 <frosch123> it's realistic 19:53:29 <supermop_> so if there is a 4/8 steam it will show this chubby box 19:53:33 <andythenorth> I just need a big switch, that looks at day in month? 19:53:37 <andythenorth> or do I need a lunar table? 19:53:51 <supermop_> until someone draws or steals a 4/8 steam engine 19:54:14 <frosch123> i expect you to encode the lunar table from 1860 to 2860 into your grf 19:54:48 <andythenorth> do I have to offset for playerâs position on globe? 19:54:54 <andythenorth> or does that have no effect? 19:54:58 <andythenorth> planetmaker should know? 19:54:59 <frosch123> good question 19:55:20 <frosch123> i guess it has no effect 19:55:25 <frosch123> the moon is rotated 19:55:28 <frosch123> but the phase does not change 19:56:48 <frosch123> with "rotating" i mean: when you are on the north sphere and the moon arc is on the left, then the moon arc is on the right when looking north on the southern sphere 19:56:51 *** [1]sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-174.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 19:57:10 <andythenorth> I would wait to ask the expert, donât go trying to solve it for yourself :P 19:57:23 <andythenorth> if I mention planetmaker 3 times, does he arrive sooner? 19:57:28 <frosch123> and it is east or west or above you in up/down direction on equator 19:57:43 <frosch123> andythenorth: i checked it personally 4 weeks ago :p 19:57:56 <frosch123> experimental observation 19:58:25 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> charm.oftc.net quits: funnel, luaduck, jonty-comp, Xaroth|Work, murr4y, Sirenia, Pulec, theholyduck, sim-al2, mikegrb, (+3 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 19:58:25 *** [1]sim-al2 is now known as sim-al2 19:58:39 <supermop_> how do i add an "issue"? 19:58:47 *** Netsplit over, joins: argoneus 19:59:02 *** Netsplit over, joins: funnel 19:59:16 <frosch123> supermop_: changing grfs in-game adds an issue to your safe 19:59:33 <supermop_> ha 20:00:03 <supermop_> to IH 20:00:09 *** Xaroth|Work [~XarothAtW@194.1.204.204] has joined #openttd 20:00:15 <andythenorth> supermop_: are you logged in? 20:00:20 <supermop_> yes 20:00:26 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@hephaestus.untrust.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:42 *** Pulec [~pulec@2a01:4f8:110:1463:67::2] has joined #openttd 20:01:43 *** Ttech [~ttech@dragons.have.mostlyincorrect.info] has joined #openttd 20:02:16 *** luaduck [~luaduck@cream.duck.me.uk] has joined #openttd 20:02:17 <peter1138> hi 20:02:25 <andythenorth> supermop_: Iâll give you rights 1 min 20:02:26 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:29 <frosch123> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse <- go to that page, and click "new issue" 20:02:45 <frosch123> does that require any rights? 20:02:54 <andythenorth> not usually, other people add issues 20:02:58 * andythenorth checking though 20:03:18 <andythenorth> eints roles makes redmine users page unusable :D 20:04:23 *** Ram-Z [~Ram-Z@rmz.io] has joined #openttd 20:04:25 <frosch123> is that why you are "Translator en_GB"? 20:04:56 <andythenorth> dunno :) 20:06:21 <andythenorth> supermop_: did you find the page? 20:06:39 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@23.239.21.224] has joined #openttd 20:06:39 *** theholyduck [sid10277@id-10277.ealing.irccloud.com] has joined #openttd 20:06:39 *** mikegrb [~mikegrb@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:06:39 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@voyager.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 20:10:03 *** murr4y [murray@54.77.13.229] has joined #openttd 20:11:42 *** Quatroking_ [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 20:13:24 <supermop_> sorry was afk 20:14:57 <supermop_> what should i call it? 20:18:37 <andythenorth> the roster, or the issue? 20:18:54 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:01 <supermop_> issue 20:20:08 <supermop_> moot now 20:23:57 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:26:37 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:47 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:36:14 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4db5429b.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 20:36:32 <Wolf01> V453000, no friday fact today? 20:43:54 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-174.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:55:41 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 20:57:29 *** Clockworker__ [Clockworke@200.102.123.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:26 <supermop_> uploaded sprites 21:07:41 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4db5429b.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 21:09:46 <Samu> hey, i'm going to change the rules a bit for the AI Window 21:09:57 <Samu> I have some ideas 21:10:22 <Samu> only lock out the slots where Humans are present 21:10:40 <Samu> but allow the other slots to be editable, even if it currently is running an AI 21:11:11 <Samu> now, to avoid them all slots to be orange, I'd want to distinguish editable slots from non editable slots 21:11:40 <Samu> but still wanted to indicate that there's currently a running AI for the slot that is to be edited 21:11:47 <Samu> what color do u suggest? 21:12:46 <andythenorth> supermop_: do them all 4/8 :D 21:13:06 <supermop_> too cute 21:13:23 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@50-37-104-183.mscw.id.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 21:13:51 <Samu> confused? 21:14:04 <supermop_> was thinking monorail would be 16/8, consisting of 5+6+5 21:14:15 <Samu> oh, i see u guys are busy 21:14:25 <supermop_> so it conforms to 1 tile unit like metro 21:14:42 <supermop_> Samu: what do you mean? 21:15:17 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a34a:9000:1035:326e:3ab1:5983] has joined #openttd 21:15:27 <Samu> I need a color 21:16:19 <Samu> currently it works like this; locked company slots are texted in silver, can't be selected either 21:16:49 <Samu> unlocked company slots are orange, only if it's editable 21:17:01 <Samu> but I'm chaning the rules a bit 21:17:04 <Samu> changing* 21:17:30 <Samu> I'm allowing editing of currently-in-use company slots as long as they're AI 21:17:44 <Samu> but I don't want it to be texted in Orange, or silver 21:17:55 <Samu> which color should I use? 21:19:02 <supermop_> hmm 21:19:16 <supermop_> orange seems best 21:19:26 <supermop_> change unlocked to blue? 21:20:08 <Samu> it is currently using orange for currently-free slots and currently-in-use slots, i'd like a color to distinguish between free/in-use 21:21:18 <Samu> in the heat of a game, it's difficult to visualize right away which slots haven't yet started an AI, you see? 21:21:26 <Samu> cus they're all orange 21:21:37 <Samu> wanted to make a visible distintion 21:22:55 <Samu> meh ok i'll try blue 21:22:58 <Samu> brb 21:23:20 <Samu> just wondering if there was a more "official" color for similar situations 21:23:24 <Samu> , brb 21:27:38 <Samu> ((this->selected_slot == i)) ? TC_WHITE : (IsEditable((CompanyID)i) ? (Company::IsValidAiID(i)) ? TC_BLUE : TC_ORANGE : TC_SILVER)); 21:29:47 <supermop_> andythenorth: this sufficient to get a playable ~20 vehicle rolling, or do i need 5/8 and 7/8 boxes too 21:29:57 <supermop_> wht size are pony tenders? 21:30:14 <andythenorth> 4/8, 5/8 21:30:16 <andythenorth> probly 21:30:49 <Samu> http://i.imgur.com/s7j1DSA.png 21:30:51 <Samu> check it out 21:31:16 <Samu> blue and orange slots can be edited 21:31:25 <Samu> silver slot can't be edited, it's occupied by human 21:31:42 <Samu> blue indicate an AI has started on this slot already 21:31:51 <Samu> so... is blue a good color? 21:32:27 <Samu> white slot is what I have selected, that rule is still valid 21:36:14 <andythenorth> supermop_: bed for me, probably back tomorrow ;) 21:36:22 <supermop_> ok 21:36:29 <supermop_> i should do my actual job 21:37:16 <supermop_> im done drawing for the day, will maybe do a couple diesels tomorrow 21:37:27 <supermop_> no steams though 21:39:21 *** alluke [~54fa666b@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:41:09 <Samu> the biggest advantage of my idea is that I can switch to another AI using only the gui and even when the game has already started 21:42:19 <Samu> if, for example, I don't like AIAI, I can open the AI config window, and edit away AIAI from there, and put some another in there, configure it's parameters, then on the AI debug window, I can click restart AI, it will restart but with my newly chosen AI 21:42:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:44:26 <Samu> unless, of course... it bugs out somewhere 21:48:31 <Samu> hmm i see it bugs 21:48:59 <Samu> just mixed 2 AI scripts into 1 slot, no! :( 21:49:10 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 21:53:42 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 22:02:14 <Samu> strange, i can't trigger this bug now :( 22:03:30 <Samu> I swear I saw Choochoo and Chopper debug in the same AI 22:03:35 <Samu> company 22:03:46 <Samu> grr, i hate it when i can't reproduce bugs 22:07:29 *** supermop_ [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:20 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d024ffe.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 22:17:29 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 22:18:35 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:21:35 <Samu> who's the AI script expert here? 22:22:51 <Samu> t.t 22:33:52 *** Tirili [~Unknown@HSI-KBW-082-212-030-207.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #openttd 22:45:35 *** Tirili [~Unknown@HSI-KBW-082-212-030-207.hsi.kabelbw.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:03:22 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d024ffe.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18578.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:09 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:42 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:14:48 <Samu> new version, v3! Please give me ideas to improve it. http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=74694&p=1166603#p1166603 23:29:38 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:32:14 *** suitsmeveryfine [~oftc-webi@c-5af870d5.029-10-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 23:37:54 <suitsmeveryfine> Hi! I'm trying to package OpenTTD for Guix SD but have difficulties with the 'lzo' dependency. The config file can detect other packages such as 'zlib' and 'sdl' but not 'lzo', probably because pkg-config isn't used in this particular case. 23:39:07 <Wolf01> 'night 23:39:09 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:40:05 <suitsmeveryfine> I lack the skills to patch config.lib myself. Do any of you have an idea? 23:40:48 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@50-37-104-183.mscw.id.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 23:47:44 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd