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00:03:29 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 00:27:01 *** Quinch [~oftc-webi@d205-206-100-76.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 00:27:01 <Quinch> Hi folks. Quick question, what would currently be decent competitive AIs in a solo game? 00:30:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6DDED.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:18 <Quinch> Also, for acceleration, what's better to have, power or TE? 01:01:23 <sim-al2> Technically, they're mutually inclusive 01:01:36 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:01:59 <sim-al2> Maximizing power will be necessary if you want to maintain good acceleration though 01:06:26 <sim-al2> I've heard that Admiral AI is very competitive, but I haven't tried out personally 01:14:17 <Quinch> Gotcha. 01:47:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 01:47:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v peter1138] by ChanServ 01:47:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 02:07:05 *** Flygon [~Flygon@ppp118-209-162-57.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 02:11:04 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:58:10 *** Snail 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07:20:29 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 07:26:10 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:26:56 <Wolf01> moin 07:27:16 <peter1138> hmm, this mouse pointer behaviour is bugging me :S 07:36:48 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 07:36:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 07:36:54 <Wolf01> o/ 07:37:12 <Alberth> hi hi 08:07:43 <Wolf01> meh, I'm stupid, I reinstalled the apps on my phone so I lost all the related data 08:31:49 <Alberth> you seem to be doing a lot of installing stuff 08:32:05 <Alberth> or is it just now? 08:32:22 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:32:41 <Wolf01> I replaced the SD card yesterday 08:33:10 <Wolf01> and the phone said "there's a problem with the app, reinstall it" 08:33:20 <Wolf01> for all the apps I installed in the SD 08:34:09 <Wolf01> the problem is that if put back the old SD, it sees the apps I didn't reinstall, but not the reinstalled ones 08:34:57 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-137-142.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 08:35:00 <Wolf01> and in the new SD it sees the reinstalled ones but not the old ones 08:36:28 <Wolf01> I should have moved all the apps in the internal memory instead of copying them 08:42:15 <Alberth> ugh, pseudo-smart software :( 08:58:47 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:18:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18620.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:21:12 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:24:04 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4e311338.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 09:32:41 <Alberth> quak 09:33:01 <frosch123> hoin 09:43:42 *** Wolf03 [~wolf01@host130-233-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:43:42 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest32 09:43:42 *** Wolf03 is now known as Wolf01 09:44:09 <Wolf01> bsod copying a file to the SD O_o 09:48:06 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 09:48:14 *** Guest32 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:49:37 <Alberth> :O 09:54:51 <Wolf01> nice, the sd seem to be TFU 09:56:07 *** NoShlomo [~NoShlomo@90.74.151.136] has joined #openttd 09:56:19 <Wolf01> explorer crashed 09:56:25 <Wolf01> teracopy hanged 09:56:34 <Wolf01> wow 10:01:18 <Wolf01> forced reboot... 10:01:22 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 10:14:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:17:11 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 10:17:26 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 10:21:28 *** roidal_ [~roland@193-154-143-224.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 10:22:01 <Wolf01> mmmh, a problem with the usb hub root now :| 10:23:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 10:26:10 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 10:28:16 *** roidal [~roland@194-152-170-21.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:33:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:38:36 <Samu> re-hi 10:52:37 <Samu> Wormnest: what do you think of that score now 10:52:55 <Samu> i added 2 more columns 10:55:03 <Samu> gelignAIte wins the efficiency column, and that is odd 10:55:36 <Samu> but I don't know of a better formula 10:56:28 <Samu> formula is: best income of the last 2 years 10:56:45 <Samu> formula is: best income of the last 2 years / total number of road pieces 10:56:49 <frosch123> hmm, i guess you do not need to barrel up oil anymore, when you chain of refineries arrived at the next oilfield 10:59:28 <Rubidium> Samu: that reminds me of a trick by some AIs to build bridges instead of road pieces because the bridge was cheaper 10:59:56 <Rubidium> (and the vehicles weren't fast enough yet to require a faster bridge) 11:02:23 <Samu> hmm how are bridges and tunnels counted towards road pieces? 11:03:22 <Alberth> start with empty world, check road pieces, build bridge, check road pieces, build tunnel, check road pieces 11:05:23 <Samu> oh wow 11:05:56 <Samu> tunnel entrance, 8 road pieces 11:06:05 <Samu> that's odd 11:06:14 *** mykoserocin [~mykoseroc@000214a6.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:06:42 *** OsteHove` [~OsteHovel@cE6A03E56.dhcp.as2116.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:06:58 <Samu> 8 pieces per each tunnel and bridge section 11:07:15 <Samu> i thought it would be 2 11:08:20 <Rubidium> tunnels are generally more expensive to maintain 11:08:55 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@c3EFA45C1.dhcp.as2116.net] has joined #openttd 11:22:56 <Wormnest> Samu: I would add a description of what efficiency is to the forum post since that is not obvious in itself 11:23:30 <Wormnest> Besides that maybe change efficiency to also take into account number of road stations relative to number of vehicles? 11:24:28 <Wormnest> Although then you might favor aiÂŽs that make longer routes relative to those that favor more shorter routes 11:29:20 <Samu> how do I make the relation between road stations, number of vehicles, income and road pieces in a single formula :P 11:30:23 *** mykoserocin [~mykoseroc@000214a6.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:31:29 <Samu> number of vehicles / number of road stations 11:31:37 <Samu> let me see what this results in 11:33:32 <Wormnest> The problem with that can be ofcourse that aiÂŽs that completely fill up the roads with vehicles get a high score 11:33:59 <Wormnest> which isnÂŽt very efficient 11:35:55 <Samu> nocab averages 38 rvs per station 11:35:58 <Samu> oops mogulai* 11:36:42 <Samu> NoCAB is strange 11:36:49 <Samu> many unused stations 11:38:19 <Samu> i don't really know what this score shows 11:39:03 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 11:41:29 <Samu> cluelessplus got 356/356 stations served 11:42:07 <Samu> 100% served 11:43:39 <Samu> (total number of vehicles / total number of stations) * (number of stations served / total number of stations) = ??? 11:44:01 *** ChoHag [~mking@195.200.244.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:49:27 <Alberth> profit! 11:52:08 *** ChoHag [~mking@195.200.244.51] has joined #openttd 12:01:14 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 12:01:53 <Wormnest> In the end it all depends on what you define as efficient 12:02:30 <Wormnest> While most aiÂŽs will just try to get the highest profits 12:02:34 <Samu> that formula is giving a very bad result to nocab 12:02:45 <Samu> and giving a very huge result for mogul 12:02:56 <Samu> I don't think this accounts for anything 12:03:10 <Wormnest> Well nocab is careless with road pieces and stations 12:03:43 <Samu> still calculating, wonder what result terron gets 12:03:55 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4e311338.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 12:08:09 <Samu> PAXLink beats NoCAB for worst result 12:10:45 <Samu> 7.506 for terron, not the highest score, but also not the lowest 12:12:06 <Samu> best score: 36.095 for mogul 12:12:27 <Samu> worst score: 1.079 for PAXLink 12:13:49 <Samu> seems like it favours least number of serviced stations over very long distances with the most road vehicles used 12:14:08 <Samu> or maybe not 12:14:15 <Samu> nocab also does that 12:14:17 <Alberth> this is how you can prove anything with statistics 12:14:34 <Samu> oh, nocab actually serves a huge number of stations 12:14:47 <Samu> and has an even huger number of stations not being served 12:17:20 <Samu> RoadAI got 2nd best score, 14.360, CluelessPlus 3rd best score, 14.042 12:17:48 <Samu> let me see their games 12:18:08 * Rubidium wonders how much rail one is going to replace when it takes 48 hours (busy bit of track closed for 48 hours for unscheduled maintenance since Friday afternoon) 12:18:27 *** Pulec [~pulec@78.46.49.59] has quit [Quit: Pulce sezrali] 12:20:37 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20:55 *** Pulec [~pulec@2a01:4f8:110:1463:67::2] has joined #openttd 12:23:01 <Samu> i can't see any relationship by just looking at their stations, seems like the formula makes no sense 12:25:50 <Wolf01> I bet this will be a hard treasure hunt... the game data aren't on the dedicated folder 12:26:34 <Samu> roadai is pure buses 12:26:43 <Samu> clueless plus if both buses and industries 12:26:50 <Samu> mogul is pure industries 12:27:36 <Samu> what they have in common is the number of vehicles per stations 12:27:42 <Samu> but that's just it 12:27:56 <Samu> their construction methods differ a lot 12:28:48 <Samu> roadai distances aren't even that large as the others 12:30:05 <Samu> seems like roadai would be a good cargodist AI 12:30:39 <Samu> it makes different connections by reusing the same stations 12:31:10 <Samu> mogul is simple greedy point to point 12:31:35 <Samu> with the hugest distances from the 3 12:32:26 <Samu> no reusing of stations for other connections, just a mass number of vehicles for each connection, like 44, 37 and so 12:32:49 <Samu> well, whatever, the formula doesn't seem to prove anything 12:33:55 <Samu> seems more like a "station reuse" formula rather than an efficiency formula 12:34:51 <Samu> not even reuse, ehm... mogul doesn't reuse 12:35:03 <Samu> i dunno 12:35:05 <Samu> i give up 12:42:14 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:42:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6DDED.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:45:29 *** lobster [~mccrabbym@145.131.157.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:46:20 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-1-81-57-54-15.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:47:58 <Samu> back to trains testing 12:48:13 <Samu> denver & rio grande is doing something stupid 12:48:22 <Samu> there are no more diesel engines 12:48:43 <Samu> since he can't replace the trains, he's just selling those turner turbos as they get old, no replacement 12:49:06 <Samu> his profit graph is slowly diminishing 12:49:18 <Samu> why don't he convert to maglev 12:49:27 <Samu> or build as maglev 12:50:08 *** sim-al2 is now known as Guest44 12:50:10 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:31 <Samu> MailAI must be stuck ever since electrified rail became available, that's since monorail 12:50:51 <Samu> his log is repeating the same thing everytime 12:51:58 <Samu> i'm testing on sub-arctic, there's no "electrified railway" at least, but he seems to be dealing with this the wrong way 12:52:16 <Samu> there's a jump directly from diesel railway to monorail, which is electrified 12:53:56 <Samu> AIAI server has attracted 4 human companies 12:54:01 <Samu> he's beating them 12:54:03 <Samu> keks 12:55:35 <Samu> FastPTPAI also attracted some human players, he's still beating them yet, but... he's not that great past the early game 12:56:09 *** Guest44 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:21:10 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-109-91-72-28.hsi12.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 13:27:07 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@5070983A.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 13:53:59 *** Ribena [~HSquishy@88-110-144-91.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:54:15 *** Ribena [~HSquishy@88-110-131-20.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 13:59:00 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 13:59:03 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 14:15:01 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 14:25:25 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 14:36:58 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:40:28 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:41:38 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-1-81-57-54-15.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 14:41:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:41:52 <Wolf01> o/ 14:43:14 <andythenorth> o/ 14:45:12 <Wolf01> I bet tomorrow I'll make some of my friends stunned, I'll bring my lego slizers collection to the exposition :P 14:47:05 <Alberth> o/ 15:01:05 <andythenorth> suddenly game is not dying 15:01:08 <andythenorth> not newgrf, anyway 15:01:15 <andythenorth> world and dog is making things 15:04:59 <Alberth> :) 15:19:22 <V453000> `yo 15:28:04 <andythenorth> lo V453000 15:28:26 <V453000> hihi 15:30:40 <Wolf01> http://www.smre-greentech.com/trucks.php andy, electric trucks! 15:30:43 <Wolf01> hi V 15:34:43 <V453000> considering to buy a macbook 15:34:54 <V453000> had enough of win10 and moderately shitty laptop 15:35:37 <Wolf01> buy a good laptop at half the price of a shitty macbook 15:35:55 <Alberth> install Linux :) 15:36:06 <Wolf01> and use gimp? 15:36:08 <Wolf01> XD 15:36:21 <Alberth> blender, more likely 15:37:01 <Wolf01> (not that gimp is a shitty software, it's just difficult to use as hell) 15:37:22 <Alberth> nah, you haven't tried blender yet, then :p 15:37:35 <Wolf01> I tried blender once 15:37:59 <Wolf01> I think I removed any memory about it 15:38:06 <Alberth> :D 15:38:16 <Wolf01> now I use only sketchup 15:38:34 <Alberth> it's probably a problem with professional software, it's impossible to use for non-professionals 15:46:12 <V453000> yeah I just converted dollars to czk 15:46:25 <V453000> thing is I don't need performance when I am on the fly 15:46:40 <V453000> but a laptop with normal disk and windows shit, is almost unusable 15:46:47 <V453000> it feels like it is 15 years old 15:46:55 <V453000> linux is not an option 15:47:01 <V453000> due to adobe and shit 15:47:16 <Alberth> then the choice is simplez 15:48:11 <V453000> well normal laptops with SSDs aren't exactly cheap either 15:48:12 <Wolf01> my sister purchased a laptop with win10 and ssd for just 1100⬠to work as colourist... and play games 15:48:22 <andythenorth> V453000 you know my opinion :P 15:48:34 <V453000> for 1100 euros I can have a 13 inch macbook air 15:48:42 <andythenorth> yes and you would regret it 15:48:52 <andythenorth> macbook air is like buying a calculator 15:48:55 <V453000> XD 15:48:59 <andythenorth> they are underpowered PoS 15:49:05 <andythenorth> joke computer 15:49:14 <V453000> guess that is exactly what I needed to hear :P 15:49:15 <andythenorth> itâs a poserâs device 15:49:23 <Wolf01> my lumia 950xl is better, at least I can play minecraft 15:49:25 <Wolf01> XD 15:49:26 <andythenorth> why the Macbook Air exists, I do not know 15:49:38 <Alberth> for those posers 15:49:42 <V453000> so if air is trash, are any of the others better andythenorth ? 15:49:49 <andythenorth> if you want an underpowered lightweight computer, buy the 12â macbook 15:50:02 <andythenorth> otherwise buy a proper Macbook Pro, that is a proper computer 15:50:31 <V453000> I don't want to spend that much on it probably, but the lowest Pro would come in question 15:51:03 <andythenorth> I use mine for work, and usually they last 1-2 years 15:51:13 <V453000> dualcore 1,1 ghz sounds like a typo 15:51:36 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 15:51:37 <andythenorth> mine costs me £2.19 per day if it lasts 2 years 15:51:44 <andythenorth> I spend that much on coffee 15:52:19 <V453000> XD point 15:52:45 <Alberth> so no more coffee for andy :) 15:52:50 <andythenorth> when I get a new one the old one is sold, and macs usually sell used in uk for ~30% of new cost 15:52:57 <andythenorth> sometimes more 15:53:17 <andythenorth> so actually more like £1.40 / day 15:53:39 <V453000> not so bad 15:54:03 <andythenorth> do you need a lot of storage? 15:54:23 <andythenorth> Apple sell SSDs *expensively* (of course) 15:54:37 <V453000> nah 15:54:44 <V453000> storage is what desktop is for :) 15:55:07 <V453000> does it run factorio? :D 15:55:32 <andythenorth> apparently 15:55:52 <andythenorth> I would get something like this http://www.apple.com/cz/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MF839CZ/A&step=config# 15:55:57 <andythenorth> and bump to 16GB 15:55:59 <andythenorth> CPU is fine 15:56:23 <andythenorth> mine is about equivalent, mostly not slow 15:56:30 <V453000> that is what I am looking at 15:57:06 <andythenorth> lightweight, solid, quick, battery life insane compared to my last one 15:57:29 <V453000> how does it handle overheating when under load for a few hours? 15:57:38 <V453000> cause I feel like every single laptop I had, had huge issues with that 15:57:53 <andythenorth> overheating? 15:57:57 <andythenorth> it gets hot, if thatâs what you mean 15:58:05 <andythenorth> like, you wouldnât want it on bare skin 15:58:29 <V453000> normal then :D is that the reason for why it lasts "just 2 years"? 15:58:39 <andythenorth> no, itâs just thereâs usually a new one 15:58:42 <andythenorth> so I scrap it 15:58:53 <V453000> XD 15:58:54 <andythenorth> âscrapâ = sell 15:59:04 <V453000> I get it 15:59:17 <andythenorth> this one dates from 2013 or so 15:59:46 <V453000> I will consider it 15:59:53 <V453000> it is a lot still 16:00:16 <Wolf01> the only reason for me to purchase a mac is because I might need to compile apps for iOS 16:00:20 <V453000> might just wait until current laptop finally melts 16:00:33 <andythenorth> FWIW I have always had the expected Apple level of service 16:00:51 <andythenorth> I know people who havenât, I know a lot of mac users, and some get lemons and Apple donât always do the right thing 16:01:10 <andythenorth> but I have owned probably 20 macs now, and the company has owned maybe over 100 16:01:15 <andythenorth> probably more tbh 16:01:37 <andythenorth> never had a lemon or a problem Apple refused to fix 16:02:34 * andythenorth will now change subject to trucks :P 16:03:54 <V453000> I will consider it, but definitely not right now 16:04:18 <V453000> is shitload of money for a vacation / internet computer 16:05:05 <V453000> will probably rather invest it into some nice extra car stuff later on 16:12:55 <V453000> might just slap some SSD into the current laptop and see how it fucks 16:13:36 <V453000> I would expect a 500 euro laptop to work somewhat ok 16:13:39 <V453000> but it's a nightmare 16:14:50 <Wolf01> V453000, about the rocket, what about use it for express delivery? you could make 200 silos for 200 different items and load them up like trains, then request a parachuted payload of stuff from every remote place of the map where you are 16:15:33 <V453000> XD 16:15:41 <V453000> sounds meh 16:15:58 <Wolf01> it will cost you a lot just to receive a bunch of rails XD 16:16:18 <V453000> but controlling the coordinates with combinators would be fun ... I would like something less "space rocket"though, more surface ish :P 16:17:18 <frosch123> use the rocket to shoot mirrors into orbit 16:17:23 <frosch123> the more mirrors, the less night 16:19:56 <Samu> number of recently serviced-stations is misleading 16:20:10 <Wolf01> btw, radar satellite and ion cannon satellite would really be a good choice 16:20:55 <Samu> if the station is both lorry and bus, and i only service a bus, it still counts as 2 stations 16:21:07 <Samu> counts that i serviced both 16:21:27 <frosch123> Wolf01: isn't the "lore" of "ion cannons" that they only work against machinery? 16:21:37 <Samu> is this correct? i only serviced the bus part of the station 16:22:19 <Wolf01> nah, they blew up the Temple of Nod and Kane with the ion cannon 16:23:45 <Samu> look at the tooltip, then look at the orders, i've only serviced 2 stations, but it counts 4 16:23:46 <Samu> http://i.imgur.com/uZe0TSM.png 16:23:56 <frosch123> maybe it needs a laser drill like in those sc2 missions 16:24:05 <Wolf01> the only thing I never understood it was on RA2 when you had tesla troopers which were shielded against the electricity... and they where killed by enemy tesla coils too 16:25:15 <Samu> the airport is not serviced at the moment 16:26:15 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:28:00 <Samu> does anyone have origina ttd at hand? 16:28:08 <Samu> how does it count there? 16:28:22 <Samu> or there is no detailed info? 16:30:11 <Samu> is the counter bugged or is it working as intended? it seems bugged for me 16:33:46 <Alberth> does original ttd even have detailed performance? looks a bit unlikely 16:35:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~farci@i59F6D4B4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:35:44 <Samu> i dont remember 16:36:59 <Samu> if the counter is counting differently than I think, then i probably have some skewed results in the AI score test 16:37:22 <Alberth> it's all arbitrary numbers anyway :) 16:38:39 <Alberth> if the stations are all pretty much the same, the ratio isn't that far off 16:40:34 <Samu> maybe i'm misinterpreting the tooltip? 16:41:02 <Samu> it doesn't seem right anyway 16:41:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6DDED.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:42:07 <Alberth> tooltip seems to use "station" in two different meanings, to me 16:52:43 <Samu> seems wrong in my opinion, it is artificially inflating the performance of a company 16:53:59 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:54:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:54:00 <Alberth> there is no objective notion for "performance", imho 16:54:02 <Samu> (and skewing my results) 16:54:33 <Alberth> the concept is too generic 16:54:58 <Rubidium> it's like asking what the best car is 16:55:52 <Rubidium> without exactly defining what "best" is, there is no way of saying 17:02:06 <Alberth> Am I right in thinking that fileio.* is low-level file io, fios_gui.cpp is the gui for file operations, and fios.* is for everything in-between? 17:02:35 <Alberth> Trying to add a scenario tar file format, but I consistently fail 17:03:06 <Alberth> there seems something wrong with fios.* but I can't put my finger on it 17:06:13 <Samu> hi glx, did you find a way to fix yesterday's redirector stuff?:o 17:06:31 <glx> no, it seems MS broke stuff 17:06:54 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:54 <Samu> t.t 17:13:53 <Samu> the first train AI is reaching 2051 17:14:04 <Samu> FastPTPAI 17:16:51 <frosch123> Alberth: look a the console commands for browsing the filesystem 17:17:05 <frosch123> and then open the "load game" window in parallel 17:17:14 <frosch123> iirc that shows a lot of things that are "wrong" :p 17:18:22 <frosch123> the fios stuff is quite state-ful 17:18:29 <frosch123> in places thate are usually not 17:22:57 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 17:29:13 <Samu> FastPTPAI reached 2051! 17:30:22 <Samu> next 2 are MailAI and AdmiralAI, nearly finishing at the same time 17:31:02 <Samu> only 23 days separating each other 17:31:28 <Samu> once again AdmiralAI surprises me how it effectively uses CPU 17:31:48 <Samu> and while having 2100+ trains 17:35:01 <andythenorth> in other news 17:35:02 <andythenorth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt6ko-qYWuw 17:48:09 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 17:49:19 <Samu> Denver & Rio Grande finished 17:51:23 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d08ea08.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:52:23 <Samu> the last 10 years for Denver & Rio Grande was bad 17:53:27 <Samu> it has quite some bugs 17:55:24 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:08 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4e311338.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 18:15:19 <Alberth> frosch123: ugh, indeed 18:15:35 <Alberth> all too old and just extended locally 18:21:12 <Rubidium> andythenorth: how "fast" is "fast" in that clip? 18:22:10 <Wolf01> http://www.commitstrip.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Strip-Coders-graph-650-final-1.jpg exactly XD 18:22:59 <andythenorth> Rubidium: Iâm guessing 60mph 18:23:58 <andythenorth> Wolf01: the first guy (black jumper, spikey dark hair) 18:24:00 <andythenorth> thatâs me 18:24:08 <andythenorth> looks like management 18:25:39 <Wolf01> :D 18:26:15 <V453000> :) 18:26:57 <andythenorth> looks like me too :P 18:27:18 * andythenorth should make Hog 18:27:30 <andythenorth> but is too angry about EU referendum campaigning 18:28:25 <frosch123> maybe read the german media about it :) not sure whether they would make you laugh or cry though :p 18:29:49 <andythenorth> :P 18:29:57 <andythenorth> in or out, I didnât really care so much 18:30:16 * andythenorth back to trains 18:31:09 <Samu> DictatorAI reached 2051, but without building a single train 18:31:56 <Alberth> and not bankrupt? that's good :p 18:32:35 <Samu> managed loan qute well 18:33:22 <Samu> think i'm gonna exclude it from the list 18:34:59 <Samu> AIAI is the last to finish 18:35:15 <Samu> slows down the server from time to time 18:35:35 <frosch123> andythenorth: one article with a big headline talks about some small town, which once had an brittish army place, and what happened after it closed down. result: bakeries stay, brothels vanish 18:35:36 <Samu> needs 10 more years 18:36:13 <Samu> choochoo is finishing in a few months, it kind of disappointed 18:37:05 <Samu> doesn't replace old vehicles, doesn't upgrade them, keeps building routes but there's no more diesel engines available 18:37:22 <Samu> doesn't switch to monorail or maglev either 18:39:14 <Samu> oh, he has a few unfinished monorail and maglev routes 18:39:21 <Samu> :( 18:39:43 <Samu> i expected better, maybe limiting number of buses to 0 is handicaping him somewhat? 18:39:55 <Samu> I don't know what went wrong 18:42:50 <andythenorth> frosch123: hard to know what general conclusion to draw from that :) 18:44:20 <Samu> AIAI server is having fierce human interaction 18:44:24 <Samu> interesting 18:46:01 <Samu> ChooChoo finished 18:46:08 <Samu> last one remaining, AIAI 18:46:23 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-109-91-72-28.hsi12.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 18:46:25 <Samu> i don't have time to test more AIs today 18:52:17 <Arveen> you need an AI to test AIs 19:12:05 <Wormnest> Also why do you open up your ai test servers for humans if you want to compare them under equal circumstances 19:19:46 <Alberth> original author of NoCAB is gone and no longer reachable? else you could ask for ownership of the project 19:20:38 <Wormnest> I think he replied once this year 19:20:44 <Wormnest> on the forum 19:21:12 <Wormnest> I donÂŽt really want to take over just wanted a working ai without problems :p 19:23:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:24:22 <Alberth> ownership is just taking over the stick :) 19:24:34 <Alberth> you can do as much or as less as you like 19:25:59 <Alberth> but otherwise, WorkingCAB ? :) 19:26:13 <Alberth> MovingCAB :p 19:26:34 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 19:27:02 <Wormnest> YesCAB ;) 19:27:56 <Alberth> haha :) nice one 19:28:07 <Alberth> MaybeCAB :p 19:36:43 <Wormnest> The name is not gonna be a problem lol. LetÂŽs if I can come up with some save/load improvements first. 19:38:36 <Alberth> would be nice 19:51:37 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:52:12 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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