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I prepared cargos for vehicles to FIRS economy and found these 3 what I couldn't classify. Chemical (RFPR?), Timber (WDPR?), Packaging ? Thnaks :) 12:12:41 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 12:17:35 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 12:21:21 <dihedral> greetings 12:23:55 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 12:32:06 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 12:53:27 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 13:14:17 *** Laedek_ has quit IRC 13:15:29 *** tokai has joined #openttd 13:15:29 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 13:17:58 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 13:18:18 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 13:22:34 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 13:41:25 *** Laedek has joined #openttd 13:49:19 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 13:50:25 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 13:57:56 <supermop_work_> stefino: WDPR is finished lumber products, like milled boards, sheets of plywood, MDF 13:58:32 <supermop_work_> packaging is is cardboard boxes, aluminum cans, plastic crates, etc 14:00:43 <supermop_work_> RFPR are fine chemicals, additives for making plastics, etc 14:03:10 <stefino> ok so if I have in firs "chemicals, timber,packaging" what cargo name does it have? RFPR,WDPR and? 14:03:58 <supermop_work_> packaging is MNSP if i recall correctly 14:04:08 <supermop_work_> there is a list online 14:04:39 <stefino> okay okay :) mnsp seems good :) thx 14:06:57 *** Flygon has quit IRC 14:26:56 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has quit IRC 14:32:08 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 14:32:13 *** nn04 has joined #openttd 14:34:34 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 14:34:54 *** ToBeFree has joined #openttd 14:36:03 *** ToBeFree has quit IRC 14:56:38 *** nn04 has quit IRC 15:29:39 *** SeraphAngel has joined #openttd 15:31:09 *** stefino has quit IRC 15:32:03 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 15:32:05 <andythenorth> supermop_work_: http://www.core77.com/posts/74389/Todays-Urban-Design-Observation-Is-This-Screw-Up-the-Designers-Fault-or-the-Contractors-Fault 15:48:21 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 15:48:21 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 15:48:32 <Alberth> hi hi 16:05:42 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 16:15:11 *** Cubey has joined #openttd 16:22:46 *** SeraphAngel has quit IRC 17:01:31 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 17:05:11 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 17:14:50 *** tycoondemon has joined #openttd 17:32:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 17:46:41 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 17:48:24 <peter1138> Pom te pom 17:51:56 *** Gja has joined #openttd 17:56:35 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 18:04:11 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:04:11 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:18:11 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:18:54 <Wolf01> o/ 18:20:30 *** roidal has joined #openttd 18:31:51 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 18:32:41 <Alberth> o/ 18:36:03 *** Progman has joined #openttd 18:38:41 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:39:18 <Wolf01> o/ 18:42:17 <andythenorth> o/ 18:42:30 <andythenorth> I am looking at this for my newgrf projects https://docs.pipenv.org/ 18:42:41 <andythenorth> Alberth: any experience? ^ 18:43:46 <Wolf01> Nice 18:44:25 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 18:44:42 <Alberth> not even close 18:44:59 <Alberth> I still haven't experimented with a virtualenv 18:45:19 <Alberth> tbh I don't see why you need one 18:45:21 <supermop_work_> andythenorth: no architect actually detailed those letters or would even bother to 18:45:36 <supermop_work_> thats not really part of our scope 18:45:49 <andythenorth> Alberth: 80:20 setuptools / distutils 18:45:56 <supermop_work_> it almost certainly was the GC who had the 'neat idea' 18:45:59 <andythenorth> virtualenv is a defense against those 18:46:28 <Alberth> right, never use those either, I have a package manager :) 18:46:46 <Alberth> at OS level 18:46:50 <andythenorth> how do you resolve dependency conflicts? 18:46:58 <andythenorth> or multiple python versions? 18:47:12 <Alberth> what conflicts? 18:47:16 <andythenorth> right :) 18:47:24 <Alberth> I have python2 and python3, not enough? 18:47:37 <andythenorth> I have to have 2.4, 2.6, 2.7, and 3.5 18:47:54 <Alberth> ah, much more insane setup :p 18:47:57 <andythenorth> and I have to have specific versions of setuptools in 2.4 and 2.7 18:48:02 <andythenorth> depending on the project 18:48:03 <Alberth> yes, I can see the problem then 18:48:33 <andythenorth> we used to refuse virtualenv, and use (in a convoluted way) shebangs 18:48:42 <andythenorth> but eh 18:49:08 <andythenorth> anyway, I digresss, I'll try the tool 18:49:19 <Alberth> sounds useful 18:50:08 <Alberth> ROS and catkin use bash scripts and env vars for everything 18:50:16 <Alberth> so you're not the only one :) 18:51:10 <andythenorth> it's an evil solution, it requires a convoluted build tool 18:51:20 <andythenorth> we now have make build the virtualenv and install deps 18:51:25 <andythenorth> simpler 18:55:06 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 18:56:20 <Alberth> yep, I have already given up on catkin and ros to ever become sane :) 19:10:31 <Wolf01> So, shit doesn't work, and I want to make shit work 19:10:57 *** roidal has quit IRC 19:11:05 <Wolf01> Fixed target framework, fixed paths, fixed compiling with /ZW a single file 19:13:06 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 19:14:41 *** bwn has quit IRC 19:23:17 <Wolf01> So, to fix 3 errors I get 580 new ones 19:23:24 *** Biolunar has quit IRC 19:23:24 <Wolf01> Nice 19:25:37 <andythenorth> :) 19:25:46 <Alberth> more but simpler errors perhaps? 19:27:11 <Wolf01> Yes, all are linker errors, unresolved external symbol 19:27:43 <Wolf01> And one is "75 unresolved externals" 19:27:54 * andythenorth has 101 contrast failures in 1 page :| 19:27:56 <Alberth> haha 19:28:02 *** Tirili has joined #openttd 19:28:10 <andythenorth> and 37 out of 38 visual diff tests failed 19:28:18 <andythenorth> visual diff is a phenomenal tool btw 19:28:26 <Alberth> they din't dar eadding 75 more errors :) 19:28:29 <andythenorth> we should use it to regression test OpenTTD :P 19:28:35 <Wolf01> Or I can trade those 580 errors with LNK2005, LNK1169 and LNK2038 19:30:07 *** Tirili has quit IRC 19:33:26 <Wolf01> "LNK2005 Errors When Link C Run-Time Libraries Are Linked Before MFC Libraries", LNK1169 is "one or more multiply defined symbols found", LNK2038 mismatch detected for 'vccorlib_lib_should_be_specified_before_msvcrt_lib_to_linker': value '1' doesn't match value '0' in MSVCRTD.lib(app_appinit.obj) 19:33:51 <Wolf01> I don't have any idea on how to fix them 19:34:10 <Wolf01> But the first 2 seem to go together 19:34:34 <Wolf01> And maybe fixing the third makes everything disappear 19:35:39 *** Tirili has joined #openttd 19:37:35 <andythenorth> bbl 19:37:37 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:43:12 <Alberth> maybe the order of libraries is significant? first error seems to say that the C libraries should be after the MFC libraries 19:43:42 <Wolf01> Yess, might be, but I don't know what to change 19:44:34 <Alberth> no list of libraries being included somewhere? 19:44:46 <Wolf01> Mmmh, let me see 19:44:57 <Alberth> or list of paths? (not sure if that is relevant) 19:45:22 <Wolf01> List of paths yes 19:45:55 <Alberth> usually that is just which directory should be tried first 19:46:09 <Alberth> (for each libnrary) 19:46:45 <Alberth> unix has these -la -lb -lstuff options for it 19:47:40 <Alberth> you didn't specify what libraries to link? 19:47:49 <Alberth> or what source code to use or so? 19:48:46 <Wolf01> No, I didn't, it uses the standard library names in object files to figure that, at least that's what I understood about the error 19:52:30 <Alberth> perhaps with include or import, the program figures that out itself 19:53:15 <Wolf01> Changing between SDK versions gives different errors, maybe they used a specific SDK version which is not available (some insiders release) 19:54:15 <LordAro> Wolf01: what have you done that touches library settings? 19:54:31 <Wolf01> SDL project 19:54:34 <Alberth> trying to use windows, most likely 19:54:52 <LordAro> ha 19:56:11 <Alberth> some flags to state it's a C thing? 19:56:35 <Wolf01> It's a mixed c/c++ thing 19:57:12 <Alberth> well, whatever, it uses something to decide order, maybe the project type, or flags or something 19:59:23 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 19:59:45 *** Tirili has quit IRC 20:01:07 *** Tirili has joined #openttd 20:05:26 <Wolf01> Oh, found it 20:05:43 <Wolf01> %(AdditionalLibraryDirectories); $(VCInstallDir)\lib; $(VCInstallDir)\lib\store <- inverted the last 2 20:06:19 <Alberth> right 20:07:13 <Alberth> using different directories to have order in linking 20:07:14 <LordAro> #justwindowsthings 20:07:16 <Wolf01> That's when you brute force all the possible permutations of values XD 20:07:43 <Alberth> I really wonder how you would ever design it like that 20:07:44 <Wolf01> Now time to get the resourced from my original CD 20:08:39 <LordAro> Alberth: "design" is probably the wrong word 20:08:42 <Alberth> next step! 20:08:59 <Alberth> I was being polite :p 20:11:32 <Wolf01> Lol, I really have to use the CD, all the files I have are for the other version 20:13:08 <__ln__> @seen Bjarni 20:13:09 <DorpsGek> __ln__: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 6 years, 22 weeks, 4 days, 19 hours, 54 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh 20:13:28 <__ln__> do we have to start assuming he's not coming back? 20:13:55 <LordAro> i think it was about this long last time 20:14:35 <Wolf01> At least Darkvater shown up some days ago 20:16:08 <__ln__> @seen Darkvater 20:16:08 <DorpsGek> __ln__: Darkvater was last seen in #openttd 7 years, 47 weeks, 4 days, 8 hours, 38 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Darkvater> good ol' days :) 20:16:32 <Wolf01> DorpsGek is broken :) 20:17:00 <Wolf01> Also I don't remember where I put the cd 20:17:20 <Wolf01> I'll try with the other game resources 20:18:46 <Alberth> dorpsgek only records the date when a person says something 20:19:11 <Wolf01> Ok, he stayed for 4 seconds 20:19:15 <LordAro> also, bouncers 20:20:19 <Wolf01> Ok, it compiled but now I have some errors 20:20:21 <Wolf01> Strange 20:20:27 <Wolf01> Windows. 20:23:21 <Wolf01> What? It removed the entire SDL repository 20:24:00 <LordAro> it's trying to help! 20:24:05 <nielsm> does anyone know if the dos ttd music files have ever been reverse engineered before? 20:24:07 <Wolf01> Paths defined with feets 20:24:19 <Wolf01> Also feet 20:24:20 <nielsm> if not I'm just going to go ahead with it 20:39:02 <peter1138> Don't think so. 20:40:03 <nielsm> because I just spent all day staring at gmusic.com from drivers.cat in IA 20:40:06 <nielsm> *IDA 20:40:18 <Wolf01> Mmmh, the game crashes on "delete mutex" 20:40:28 <nielsm> sorry that was mmusic.com actually 20:45:26 <Wolf01> Ok, where do I define a constant, again? 20:49:44 <Wolf01> Oh, conditional compilation symbols, that's how it is called now 21:09:56 *** gelignite has quit IRC 21:22:12 *** Chrill has joined #openttd 21:23:36 *** SeraphAngel has joined #openttd 21:26:43 *** Tirili has quit IRC 21:27:25 *** Biolunar has joined #openttd 21:29:10 *** Tirili has joined #openttd 21:35:11 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:35:52 *** Alberth has left #openttd 21:37:17 *** Chrill has quit IRC 21:48:01 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 22:05:03 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:05:12 <Wolf01> 'night 22:05:14 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:06:44 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 22:22:22 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 22:23:00 *** Gja has quit IRC 22:34:18 *** FLHerne_ has joined #openttd 22:41:15 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 22:43:00 *** LordArtoo has joined #openttd 22:43:51 *** Tirili has quit IRC 22:45:02 *** FLHerne_ has quit IRC 22:45:25 *** FLHerne_ has joined #openttd 22:49:24 *** bwn has joined #openttd 22:54:16 *** glx is now known as Guest482 22:54:16 *** glx has joined #openttd 22:54:16 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 22:55:26 *** nielsm has quit IRC 22:59:01 *** Guest482 has quit IRC 23:27:04 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:49:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC