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The Squirrel import function seems to work the way it's documented. and the code just ignores script versions anyway 07:29:45 <Beerbelott> Both are a problem, one way or the other 07:30:34 <Beerbelott> My quick & dirty fix makes the current, illogical "upgrade" mechanism almost useless (as I don't think a script w/ same name & version ever changes MD5 signature 07:31:07 <Beerbelott> brb 07:31:09 *** Beerbelott has left #openttd 07:40:59 <peter1139> I don't know, what did you just read? 07:56:50 *** Progman has joined #openttd 08:00:33 *** Beerbelott has joined #openttd 08:14:14 <Samu> libraries don't update the same manner as AIs 08:15:10 <Samu> but I don't know 08:17:35 <Samu> https://bananas.openttd.org/en/ailibrary/ 08:17:41 <Samu> nevermind, I don't know at all 08:20:10 <Samu> new version of a library make the previous version to be hidden from content download 08:20:23 <Samu> but that doesn't force an upgrade 08:20:32 <Samu> when downloading AIs 08:24:09 <Samu> looks like I'm confused 08:24:52 <Samu> inside openttd it lists Pathfinder.Road version 3 and 4 08:26:23 <Samu> on the website, it only lists version 4 08:26:35 <Samu> https://bananas.openttd.org/en/ailibrary/ 08:37:28 <andythenorth> ha ha smoke 08:37:43 * andythenorth back to YT 08:38:09 <Samu> i found a problem with my AI 08:38:37 <Samu> when reliability of available engines is too low to be considered 08:38:52 <Samu> it shouldn't bother searching for a route 08:39:21 <Samu> or 08:39:44 <Samu> it should pick the most reliable, even though they both suck 08:39:56 <Samu> after all, they're still available... 08:42:10 <Samu> the transition between tricario helicopter and guru x2 helicopter, reliability period of both engines are below 75% 08:42:55 <Samu> there's a small phase my AI becomes dumb, it builds the heliports and then doesn't build the aircraft 08:43:04 <Samu> then demolishes heliports 08:43:04 <Beerbelott> Samu: If you look at the code, you will see AI & AILibrary are handled the same when compared one to each other 08:43:08 <Samu> and keeps repeatin 08:44:35 <Beerbelott> Well, time for me to have some sleep 08:44:41 <Beerbelott> beuhbye 08:44:42 *** Beerbelott has left #openttd 08:49:43 <Samu> I need to rewrite the reliability checks 08:52:12 <Samu> maybe I should include it in the estimated income, instead of outright removing them 08:52:19 <Samu> engines< 10:29:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 10:33:30 <Samu> hmm ai is replacing all darwin 600 with airtaxi a21 10:33:51 <Samu> better reliability on airtaxi, same passenger capacity 10:34:15 <Samu> i think i like this change 10:38:45 <Samu> uhm... weird reliabilities 10:38:50 <Samu> all models have 78% 10:39:02 <Samu> no variance, is this intended? looks bugged 10:39:28 <Samu> only those models that are being retired have lower values 10:41:35 <andythenorth> breakdowns off? 10:42:18 <Samu> no 10:42:47 <Samu> 8 aircraft models have 78% 10:43:19 <Samu> 3 have 77% 10:43:33 <Samu> 2 have 76% 10:44:28 <Samu> then 1 of each: 63%, 55%, 47%, 47%, 42%, 40% all of these being retired soon 10:45:01 <Samu> i find these values a bit strange 10:45:44 <Samu> there's nothing better than 78% 10:46:59 <Samu> those 2 that were 76%, are now 75%, they're being retired too 10:49:16 <Samu> heh, speaking of airtaxi a21, it's being retired too 10:49:26 <Samu> already replacing back to darwin 600 10:49:42 <Samu> AI is being too sensible now :o 10:50:25 <Samu> sensitive* 11:43:08 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 11:51:30 <andythenorth> quak 11:52:50 <frosch123> moo 12:21:51 *** Thedarkb-X40 has quit IRC 13:07:07 <Samu> when my ai does better with mail than with pass, something's wrong 13:14:12 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 13:36:32 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command https://git.io/fjHWP 14:18:18 <peter1139> Alright, white chocolate and cookie magnums are nice... 14:30:19 *** Thedarkb-X40 has joined #openttd 14:31:24 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command https://git.io/fjHly 14:31:45 <Eddi|zuHause> magnum as in the ice on a stick? 14:32:40 *** glx has joined #openttd 14:32:40 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 14:39:00 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command https://git.io/fjHlQ 14:40:59 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 14:49:41 *** Flygon has quit IRC 15:00:13 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 15:30:13 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] telk5093 updated pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command https://git.io/fj1oP 15:30:55 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] telk5093 commented on pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command https://git.io/fjH8p 15:31:07 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] telk5093 commented on pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command https://git.io/fjH8h 15:59:27 *** UncleCJ has quit IRC 16:09:33 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command https://git.io/fjHgc 16:13:52 *** arikover has joined #openttd 16:18:54 <peter1139> Bah, no ninjam packages 16:55:47 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 16:56:34 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd 17:43:49 <Samu> I think I understand town effects now 17:45:22 <Samu> AITown.GetCargoGoal 17:45:33 <Samu> really tricky to understand 17:51:50 *** arikover has quit IRC 18:22:53 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:28:30 *** Thedarkb-X40 has quit IRC 18:35:48 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 18:35:59 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh merged pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command https://git.io/fj1oP 18:44:12 <andythenorth> yo 18:45:15 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i tried timing a crossing light to make it flow better, but i don't think it worked... :/ 19:24:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 19:33:33 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, that did not work... :/ 19:34:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i need a road with more lanes, but there aren't any with this tram track configuration :/ 20:02:18 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:09:22 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:21:35 *** Thedarkb-X40 has joined #openttd 20:46:58 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:52:19 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:56:01 *** Thedarkb1-X40 has joined #openttd 20:56:01 *** Thedarkb-X40 has quit IRC 21:01:44 *** Progman has quit IRC 21:13:50 <Samu> milek7: hi 21:29:14 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 21:39:17 *** Samu has quit IRC 22:01:21 *** nielsm has quit IRC 22:35:34 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 22:37:35 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 22:46:02 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd 23:01:10 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 23:40:43 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd 23:50:29 <Eddi|zuHause> "Free swap = 0kB" ... why? what is cities skylines using all this memory for?