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00:31:05 <glx> <FLHerne> I don't know /why/ anyone would insist on a three-year-old version of an open-source browser <-- maybe their favorite extension doesn't work on >38 00:32:04 *** Smedles_ has joined #openttd 00:34:44 *** Smedles has quit IRC 00:40:03 *** Wormnest_ has quit IRC 00:43:21 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 00:55:52 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] msikma commented on issue #7644: Mysteriously poor performance on macOS https://git.io/fjii3 00:57:00 *** Wormnest_ has joined #openttd 01:15:54 *** gelignite has quit IRC 01:46:50 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 01:47:55 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 01:49:33 *** Wormnest_ has quit IRC 02:32:19 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 02:32:19 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 02:39:18 *** tokai has quit IRC 02:47:41 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe they got lulled in by the label "long term support"? 02:54:12 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 02:54:49 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 03:25:00 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 03:25:05 *** Wormnest_ has joined #openttd 03:25:50 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 03:36:22 *** glx has quit IRC 03:37:13 *** Wormnest_ has quit IRC 03:40:02 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 03:43:26 *** debdog has quit IRC 03:57:00 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 03:57:43 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 04:24:11 *** tokai has joined #openttd 04:24:11 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 04:28:03 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 04:29:55 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 04:31:03 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 05:00:14 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 05:02:04 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 05:32:24 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 05:45:01 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 06:09:21 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 06:15:20 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 06:15:52 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 06:38:51 *** Smedles_ has quit IRC 06:40:20 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 06:46:03 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 06:47:04 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 07:14:00 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:15:06 *** nielsm has quit IRC 07:17:25 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 07:18:03 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 07:30:45 <andythenorth> meh reddit JGRPP bingo failed again 07:31:02 <andythenorth> position #6 in the comments, has to be top 3 to win bingo 07:48:11 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 07:49:07 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 07:53:46 *** Smedles has quit IRC 07:55:33 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 08:19:26 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 08:20:55 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 08:27:49 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SoothedTau commented on issue #7644: Mysteriously poor performance on macOS https://git.io/fjii3 08:30:58 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 08:37:09 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 08:37:09 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 08:44:08 *** tokai has quit IRC 08:51:06 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 08:51:31 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 08:59:06 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 09:05:41 *** Arveen has joined #openttd 09:21:49 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 09:24:02 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 09:41:06 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 09:54:13 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 09:55:11 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 10:25:32 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 10:26:04 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 10:27:28 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 10:30:12 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 10:56:24 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 11:03:33 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 11:22:57 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 11:33:54 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 11:36:18 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 11:39:27 *** spnda has joined #openttd 11:44:12 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 12:06:39 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 12:10:36 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spnda updated pull request #7955: WIP Feature: NewGRF Road Stops (Feature 14) https://git.io/JvLQL 12:14:35 <TrueBrain> wow, the inline comments from the commit checker are awesome .. 12:14:40 <TrueBrain> I need to hug glx when he gets online :) 12:15:21 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spnda commented on pull request #7955: WIP Feature: NewGRF Road Stops (Feature 14) https://git.io/JvzbN 12:18:34 <spnda> I was just about to comment on an issue because I just didn't find my issue.... 12:18:46 <spnda> Guess what happened when I looked in the code? I saw the issue 12:19:05 <spnda> 12 days of no progress because I did [0] instead of [CT_DEFAULT] 12:19:09 <spnda> :(((( 12:19:31 <TrueBrain> oefffff 12:32:52 <LordAro> TrueBrain: no, 0xfffff 12:36:41 <TrueBrain> that programmers humor :P 12:37:39 <FLHerne> Nah, you can write numbers in base e now :P 12:40:20 <SpComb> exadecimal, base 10^18 12:54:23 <Eddi|zuHause> fffff in base 10^18 is some incredibly huge number 12:55:23 *** Samu has joined #openttd 12:55:25 <Eddi|zuHause> (and that's even before settling on a standard on what digit "f" actually represents) 12:55:35 <Samu> hi 13:07:28 <SpComb> I like big numbers and I cannot lie 13:14:41 *** Flygon_ has joined #openttd 13:21:31 *** Flygon has quit IRC 13:27:08 *** cHawk has joined #openttd 14:06:09 *** Flygon_ has quit IRC 14:07:04 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 14:28:56 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 14:46:23 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick commented on pull request #7912: Feature: Disallow industry production changes from GS https://git.io/JvzpV 15:08:10 *** syr has quit IRC 15:08:39 *** syr has joined #openttd 15:14:23 *** cHawk has quit IRC 15:22:03 *** gelignite has quit IRC 15:40:57 <spnda> my grf has 15555 downloads now. nice num 16:05:53 <andythenorth> wow 16:05:55 <andythenorth> that's a lot 16:06:05 <andythenorth> mine have much fewer :( 16:09:09 <planetmaker> eGRVTS 1.0 557819 times wins. As usual ;) 16:17:28 *** Wormnest_ has joined #openttd 16:20:50 <andythenorth> Samu: apparently Greta is real BTW 16:30:33 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 16:36:16 *** gelignite has quit IRC 16:37:11 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 16:38:59 <TrueBrain> andythenorth : how did she smell? 16:39:36 <andythenorth> didn't get that close 16:39:40 <andythenorth> could be an android 16:39:46 <andythenorth> the crowd smelt..wet and cold 17:04:00 *** cHawk has joined #openttd 17:10:27 <Samu> oh, setting flags is a bit misleading for me 17:18:18 <Samu> nielsm, i'm getting a weird behaviour with oil wells 17:18:23 <Samu> testing 7912 17:20:09 <Samu> I've set a flag to Oil Wells, INDCTL_NO_PRODUCTION_DECREASED and the next month it announces imminent closure: https://i.imgur.com/rOPoixy.png 17:20:24 <Samu> with a production of 117 17:21:40 <Samu> gonna experiment without setting any flag 17:26:41 <Samu> confirmed 17:26:58 <Samu> only happens with the flag set 17:27:12 <Samu> without flag, it doesn't announce imminent closure 17:27:15 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 17:27:58 <Samu> at least, immediately 17:33:23 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 17:44:04 *** Progman has joined #openttd 17:58:49 <Samu> i can't seem to find a use for GetLastProductionYear 17:59:09 <Samu> raw industries just produce all the time 18:08:19 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:08:55 <Samu> firs of course ruin the definition of raw industry, processing industry 18:09:22 <Samu> a Port isn't either, but it still produces cargo 18:13:42 *** heffer_ is now known as heffer 18:16:46 *** menelaos[m] has quit IRC 18:16:46 *** nolep[m] has quit IRC 18:16:56 *** pothyurf[m] has quit IRC 18:16:56 *** fiddeldibu[m] has quit IRC 18:16:56 *** patricia[m] has quit IRC 18:16:56 *** ad5twoknebor[m] has quit IRC 18:16:56 *** olmvnec[m] has quit IRC 18:16:56 *** hylshols7qui[m] has quit IRC 18:16:56 *** iarp[m] has quit IRC 18:17:06 *** UncleCJ[m] has quit IRC 18:17:16 *** johanna[m] has quit IRC 18:17:16 *** ircer[m] has quit IRC 18:17:16 *** nartir[m] has quit IRC 18:17:26 *** amal[m] has quit IRC 18:17:36 *** cawal[m] has quit IRC 18:17:36 *** blim[m] has quit IRC 18:19:33 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:19:34 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:19:51 <TrueBrain> glx: the GitHub PR review annotation from commit-checker is epic :D 18:19:53 <TrueBrain> that is so much better :D 18:20:34 <glx> it doesn't work well when there are multiple commits 18:21:01 <TrueBrain> improvements are always possible 18:21:04 <TrueBrain> but this is very nice already :D 18:22:13 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 18:22:57 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 18:23:01 <glx> but #7955 seems to be a very good test :) 18:23:11 <TrueBrain> it really was :P 18:23:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 18:28:26 <spnda> glx: why is 7955 a good tets? because it's a big change? 18:28:53 <glx> no because there are many errors in the commit ;) 18:29:24 <spnda> Ah right. Already fixed them aswell. They're really good. Thanks 18:29:29 *** nolep[m] has joined #openttd 18:30:12 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 18:37:22 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:57:53 <andythenorth> yo 19:08:04 *** menelaos[m] has joined #openttd 19:26:21 <Samu> hi 19:41:31 <frosch123> there is a newgrf named RTFM ? 19:44:26 <andythenorth> there is? 19:51:31 <spnda> ...... i accidentally stashed all my changes for nml roadstops when I was testing stuff for OpenTTD/nml#90... noooooooooo 19:52:07 <frosch123> why is that a problem? 19:52:35 <spnda> because I now have to reimplement all the properties again :(( 19:52:45 <frosch123> "stash" is not "delete" 19:52:52 <spnda> is it not? 19:53:01 <frosch123> it's "store on the attic" 19:53:13 <frosch123> check "git stash list" 19:53:31 <frosch123> and "git stash pop" 19:56:46 <peter1138> ... 19:57:03 <peter1138> How long have you been stashing, thinking it was deleting? 19:58:01 <spnda> Idk. I doubt it was much anyway. 19:58:09 <_dp_> not the worst way to delete stuff tho xD 19:58:11 <peter1138> git stash list will show you... 19:59:54 <spnda> there's a stash in there from my pr #6666.... oof 20:05:12 <frosch123> nice, some bananas descriptions comment about ttdp compatibility 20:08:53 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 20:12:08 <frosch123> TrueBrain: considering how many grfs have a description "deprecated, use xyz instead", maybe there could be a separate entry to link to newer/merged sets 20:13:06 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX] andythenorth commented on issue #9: Update / add NRT sprites https://git.io/JvRLq 20:13:06 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX] andythenorth closed issue #9: Update / add NRT sprites https://git.io/JvRLq 20:13:52 <spnda> Also, renaming GRFs?? 20:14:15 <frosch123> yes, that is already considered 20:15:04 <frosch123> the award for most deprecated sets goes to that australian guy 20:15:10 <frosch123> clear winner 20:15:24 <spnda> i have 0 deprecated sets 20:17:34 <frosch123> andythenorth: is there something misleading in the nml spec about grfids? i would think people notice themself that using 100 grfids for the same grf is weird 20:18:02 <andythenorth> are they oz stuff? 20:18:14 <andythenorth> oh yes you said that above 20:18:57 <frosch123> somehow he made a station grf, split it in to N partial grfs, and merged them back or something 20:19:32 <glx> nml doc redirects to standard grf doc on the grfid topic 20:20:59 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:22:32 <frosch123> the award for "most tags" goes to V 20:25:35 *** iarp[m] has joined #openttd 20:26:48 <andythenorth> can I take up that challenge? 20:28:30 <frosch123> i only found a single grf that is co-authored by you 20:28:47 <frosch123> coop uploaded a lot of nice grfs though 20:30:00 <spnda> Btw, is there a bananas api? (for uploading files, editing... from a POST request?) 20:30:12 <frosch123> ask again in 4 weeks 20:30:24 <spnda> so, no just now, but yes in 4 weeks? 20:30:41 <frosch123> currently there is musa, which allows uploading, but not editing 20:31:04 <glx> the service is being rewritten during its migration 20:31:36 <frosch123> spnda: the future is unknown, but there is hope 20:33:44 *** fiddeldibu[m] has joined #openttd 20:42:22 <frosch123> andythenorth: RTFM apparently means Rapit Transit For Me 20:44:12 <frosch123> "Randomly generated obscene town names in Russian (18+)" <- just the grf i wanted 20:44:30 <andythenorth> wow 20:45:57 *** ad5twoknebor[m] has joined #openttd 20:46:35 <LordAro> :D 20:47:57 <peter1138> Mmm, that was a nice dinner. 20:48:34 *** olmvnec[m] has joined #openttd 20:48:55 <andythenorth> I had curry 20:48:56 <andythenorth> it was rad 20:49:03 <LordAro> i should make dinner 20:49:18 <andythenorth> I should stop playing tanks 20:54:18 <peter1138> I had a curry too. 20:54:38 <peter1138> With a huge chunk of salmon... 20:55:58 <peter1138> I even Instagrammed it... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ https://www.instagram.com/p/B9H7_ZUHDwT/ 20:59:30 *** Smedles has quit IRC 20:59:47 *** pothyurf[m] has joined #openttd 21:00:47 *** tokai has joined #openttd 21:00:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 21:01:15 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 21:01:59 <TrueBrain> frosch123: "TrueBrain: considering how many grfs have a description "deprecated, use xyz instead", maybe there could be a separate entry to link to newer/merged sets" <- what do you mean? You mean an entry in global.yaml or something? (your line is a bit vague, so I am trying to fill in some blanks :D) 21:02:24 <frosch123> you have a "deprecated" bool, but maybe it should be a string 21:03:04 <TrueBrain> would only be useful for frontend tbh; the client cannot process that information 21:03:21 <TrueBrain> but sure, I can make it: "deprecated-by", follow by "NewGRF:12345678" 21:03:44 <spnda> peter1138: Did you make all thoe dishes yourself? they all look real good 21:03:47 <TrueBrain> there are also a few entries that are just deprecated. As in: no longer maintained. Not sure how to mark those 21:04:29 <frosch123> i just noticed that N authors came up with N ways to state that sets x and y were merged into z 21:04:47 <TrueBrain> yeah ... they are creative in that :D 21:04:53 <TrueBrain> but it sounds like a nice extension to the client too 21:04:57 <TrueBrain> to follow over grfids 21:05:49 <TrueBrain> deprecated-by or replaced-by ? 21:06:04 <frosch123> replaced-by 21:06:22 <TrueBrain> and when someone simply quit 21:06:28 <TrueBrain> unmaintained: true 21:06:33 <TrueBrain> inactive: true 21:06:36 <TrueBrain> deprecated? 21:06:41 <spnda> frosch123: "Randomly generated obscene town names in Russian (18+)" is that a real thing? 21:06:53 <frosch123> isn'T that the same as setting all versions to "savegame-only"? 21:07:01 <TrueBrain> yes 21:07:10 <TrueBrain> but might be nice if that is also in the global.yaml? 21:07:14 <TrueBrain> easier to show in frontend 21:07:33 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 21:07:40 <frosch123> TrueBrain: "archived"? 21:07:54 <frosch123> archived: true 21:07:58 <TrueBrain> fine by me 21:10:27 <frosch123> aw, V lost his award... korean guys put all tags in english and korean, so they beat him 21:10:54 <TrueBrain> are the UTF-8 correct from what you can tell btw? 21:11:08 <frosch123> they look plausible 21:11:24 <TrueBrain> replaced-by: "Game Script:4C414754" 21:11:27 <TrueBrain> looks fine, right? 21:11:44 <frosch123> yes, unless you want / instead of : 21:11:54 <TrueBrain> dependencies use : too 21:12:04 <TrueBrain> musa already does 21:12:10 <frosch123> fine then :) 21:12:22 <frosch123> just thought they would match the path 21:12:45 *** hylshols7qui[m] has joined #openttd 21:13:29 <TrueBrain> in that case I suggest we change the dependencies too, but the md5-partial is not in the filename 21:13:33 <TrueBrain> might be a nice addition? 21:13:38 <TrueBrain> DATE-MD5PARTIAL.yaml 21:15:52 <andythenorth> we need a grf tree :P 21:16:03 <andythenorth> like https://firs-test-1.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/iron-horse/docs/html/tech_tree_table_red.html 21:19:36 <TrueBrain> having MD5 in filename of versions is ugly as fuck, so not going to do that :D 21:22:26 *** patricia[m] has joined #openttd 21:24:12 *** Smedles has quit IRC 21:26:48 *** Wormnest__ has joined #openttd 21:27:36 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 21:29:13 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 21:29:13 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 21:33:05 *** Wormnest_ has quit IRC 21:33:38 <TrueBrain> so frosch123 , how do we want to do this .. are we just going to put this on GitHub, and make a forum post about it, or do we first finish the new BaNaNaS and ask for input when finished? 21:34:52 <frosch123> once you publish it, you have to close old bananas, or do you want to keep syncing it with new updates? 21:35:26 <TrueBrain> I can sync the GitHub for now, till we switch 21:35:54 <frosch123> but people will also start with prs for renames and typo fixes and authorship requests 21:36:03 *** tokai has quit IRC 21:36:05 <TrueBrain> true; so we wait :) 21:38:47 <Samu> how do I post a PR to a PR? 21:38:56 <Samu> i have fixes for 7912 21:39:07 <Samu> but it's not my PR 21:41:35 <TrueBrain> frosch123: pushed new commits; the public version of this repo will be recreated and only have a single commit, as a FYI :) 21:41:40 <peter1138> Urgh. 21:41:44 <TrueBrain> my commit messages are now mostly for you to understand what I changed 21:44:15 <TrueBrain> and as a general message for all: we blacklisted a few more entries on BaNaNaS for various of reasons; some you can guess, others are obvious :) No kittens were hurt .. I think :P 21:44:40 <TrueBrain> we are up to 31, so we are doing great :) 21:45:23 <Samu> nielsm, you there? 21:48:08 <andythenorth> oof internet ads 21:48:14 <andythenorth> is it time to get adblock? 21:52:07 <TrueBrain> frosch123: for blacklisted entries I simply make the folder, in there a global.yaml with "blacklisted: true" 21:52:19 <TrueBrain> good enough? 21:53:14 <frosch123> probably fine, then it also works as "is this grfid used" 21:53:21 <TrueBrain> exactly 21:53:39 *** gelignite has quit IRC 21:54:08 <TrueBrain> pushed to private repo 21:56:49 <andythenorth> SLEEEP! 21:56:55 <spnda> zzzzz 21:57:00 <TrueBrain> why? 21:57:03 <TrueBrain> sounds overrated 22:00:11 <frosch123> hmm, i only know iso8601... but i know that various rfcs differ slightly. are the timestamps valid in some rfc? iso8601 would require a "T" between date and time 22:00:54 <TrueBrain> 2020-02-02T20:20:20 ? 22:01:02 <frosch123> (it doesn't matter, whatever is readable by python) 22:01:06 <frosch123> TrueBrain: yes 22:01:16 <TrueBrain> https://symfony.com/doc/current/components/yaml/yaml_format.html#dates 22:01:19 <TrueBrain> lets use YAML dates :) 22:02:05 <frosch123> you can also use "Z" instead of "+00:00" 22:03:02 <TrueBrain> k, will fix. Filenames, they okay like this? 22:04:57 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 22:05:39 <frosch123> no idea, i would read "*" and use the date inside the file. but maybe make them the same? 22:06:25 <frosch123> it'S also valid to skip the "-" 22:06:29 <frosch123> and ":" 22:06:51 <frosch123> ":" is probably bad in paths 22:06:58 <TrueBrain> yeah, that is why I removed them :) 22:07:23 <frosch123> "20200202T202020Z" is also valid iso8601 22:07:28 <TrueBrain> no clue if it is really UTC we export these dates in .. but pretty sure nobody is going to care 22:07:46 <frosch123> likely dutch time :) 22:07:54 <frosch123> but yeah, don't bother 22:07:56 <TrueBrain> I would think so too, yes :) 22:08:28 <frosch123> uploaders can only break it once per year 22:12:41 <TrueBrain> this migration script is now 374 lines long 22:12:45 <TrueBrain> we might have overdone it :P 22:13:25 <TrueBrain> and I now have to copy 10GB from one VM to the other ... it is so fucking slow ... but okay .. rsync ftw 22:19:54 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick requested changes for pull request #7912: Feature: Disallow industry production changes from GS https://git.io/JvgYg 22:20:30 <frosch123> night 22:20:33 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:24:30 <Samu> "SamuXarick requested changes " - that sounds fierce! 22:24:35 <Samu> lol 22:25:16 <Samu> who am I to request anything 22:26:01 *** tokai has joined #openttd 22:26:01 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 22:32:37 *** Samu has quit IRC 22:33:08 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 22:38:23 *** D-HUND is now known as debdog 22:47:30 *** cHawk- has joined #openttd 22:48:13 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:53:38 *** cHawk has quit IRC 23:01:42 *** Beerbelott has joined #openttd 23:01:46 *** Beerbelott has left #openttd 23:04:24 <andythenorth> is it sleep time? 23:05:50 <TrueBrain> yes 23:05:50 <TrueBrain> go 23:05:51 <TrueBrain> :P 23:16:01 <spnda> it is very sleepy time... 23:16:33 *** spnda has quit IRC 23:21:45 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 23:30:10 *** Smedles has quit IRC 23:31:49 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 23:34:31 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 23:35:06 *** cHawk- has quit IRC 23:50:23 *** Progman has quit IRC 23:53:30 <TrueBrain> and I keep fiddling with the migration, instead of writing the API ... clearly I really don't want to :P 23:55:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 23:57:04 *** UncleCJ[m] has joined #openttd