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Log for #openttd on 26th July 2021:
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08:47:46  <LordAro> 09:44:59 < dpk> concept: alternative sound pack for OpenTTD where all the sound effects are replaced by someone pretending to make the noises
08:47:54  <LordAro> 09:45:25 < dpk> like the steam train noise is someone saying "chuff, chuff, chuff, chuff" and the bus noise is "brum, brum"
08:49:28  <andythenorth> nice idea
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09:47:10  <orudge> Lego-movie style
09:47:12  <orudge> That's brilliant
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11:33:39  <Eddi|zuHause> could be a nice match with toyland
12:45:40  <Samu> darn, the bresenhams line check is slow :(
13:32:08  <Samu> im running out of tricks to speed up pathfinder
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14:04:13  <Samu> using valuator for the bresenham is cpu intensive, it's a bad idea
14:04:25  <Samu> i'm out of ideas
14:04:29  <Samu> the pathfinder is slow
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14:16:44  <Samu> no idea what to do
14:17:50  <Samu> it seemed bresenham would speed up things at first sight
14:18:06  <Samu> but i was running at 250k ops very fast preset
14:18:45  <Samu> at the defaults 10k, medium, the check against the line itself slows down a lot
14:38:17  <Samu> it's funny
14:39:01  <Samu> it still quits earlier than the other method
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14:39:31  <Samu> ended up being the first to build a ship, compared to the no-bresenham line limit
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14:48:04  <Samu> 444 days to give up, vs 118 days to give up, bresenham's, albeit iterating slower, was faster to give up
14:48:42  <Samu> 444 days is seriously too long
14:54:13  <glx> pathfinding on water is the worst
14:54:28  <glx> too many open tiles
14:57:57  <Samu> there's then ShipAI which is extremely fast by comparison
14:58:07  <Samu> makes me sad
15:00:38  <Samu> i get sad that all i can do is mail ships, because the ship is slower, meaning the routes are shorter
15:01:03  <Samu> hovercrafts try to get routes of about 250-300 distance and it's so slow
15:01:08  <Samu> or mostly fail
15:01:15  <Samu> no path found or whatever...
15:03:00  <Samu> running the game in fast forward really gives a different perspective, like it seems everything is perfect, oh i can get 5k ships, etc..
15:03:40  <Samu> but in reality, at normal speeds, it's a different story
15:04:53  <glx> based on filenames, I think ShipAI uses 3 different pathfinders
15:09:54  <Samu> 2nd route build for bresenhams
15:10:04  <Samu> 2-0
15:10:41  <Samu> https://i.imgur.com/13athZh.png
15:11:19  <Samu> the one on the right is bresenham's
15:11:39  <Samu> the one on the left, has no limitations, other than the number of iterations
15:12:51  <Samu> distance is actually 200 and 243, that's not even 300+ as I thought
15:13:30  <glx> I don't know if it's done, but for full water I think a possible option would be to include distance to coast in cost calculation
15:14:49  <glx> but determining distance to coast is not free
15:57:10  <Samu> 2-1
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16:27:15  <Samu> 4-1
16:28:02  <Samu> very disappointing :(
16:28:21  <Samu> how would distance to coast help me in this case?
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16:37:51  <peter1138> It would stop your triremes being lost at sea.
16:43:06  <LordAro> :D
16:51:06  <milek7> https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-317
16:51:14  <milek7> possibly related
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17:00:36  <_dp_> having many open tiles is good in theory since you don't even need to pathfind
17:00:45  <_dp_> pf just have to make actual use of that
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17:55:16  <Samu> https://github.com/SamuXarick/Canal-Pathfinder/blob/Graph.AyStar-6-compatible/library/Pathfinder.Canal/main.nut#L48-L58
17:55:27  <Samu> gonna try different values here, any suggestions
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18:51:45  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master https://git.io/J4XdR
18:51:46  <DorpsGek>   - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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19:05:54  <TrueBrain> I totally took a joke too far
19:05:55  <TrueBrain> I really did
19:06:08  <TrueBrain> it is not even funny anymore
19:06:11  <TrueBrain> but I am laughing my ass off
19:06:34  <TrueBrain> sometimes I really have an insane idea in my head .. and to my surprise I can make it a reality
19:06:40  <TrueBrain> not sure what to think of it :P
19:07:21  <TrueBrain> I now really have to understand NewGRF specs a bit more to make it be more apparent that it really works ...
19:08:32  <TrueBrain> awh, publishing to GitHub Pages failed ..
19:08:35  <TrueBrain> boooooo
19:09:47  <TrueBrain> https://truebrain.github.io/TrueGRF/ <- in the game, click NewGRF Settings
19:09:51  <TrueBrain> while open, click the big green button
19:10:58  <TrueBrain> I blame andythenorth
19:13:27  <TrueBrain> This is Rust + WASM + React + Emscripten, all put to work in a single place :)
19:13:49  <Timberwolf> Heh.
19:14:13  <TrueBrain> is that all you have to say about it? :P
19:14:25  <andythenorth> it's the best comment :D
19:14:31  <Timberwolf> I quite like the tech stack for the web application!
19:14:51  <TrueBrain> I am really amazed it actually works :D
19:14:54  <Timberwolf> Maybe I should start writing all our front end stuff in Rust, make finding a front end dev as hard as a back end one.
19:15:13  <TrueBrain> well, the frontend is pure React (and bootstrap)
19:15:19  <TrueBrain> Rust is just converting the inputs to a valid GRF
19:15:42  <TrueBrain> (which via React is given to Emscripten to OpenTTD, to write the file and allow loading it ..)
19:17:15  <TrueBrain> I think this is about as far as I can drag insanity :P
19:17:33  <andythenorth> 'to insanity and beyond!'
19:18:02  <TrueBrain> now to extend it to be useful? :D
19:18:30  <TrueBrain> not a single clue if I am actually fixing a problem by such tool :P
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19:22:57  <andythenorth> yes you are!
19:23:03  <andythenorth> the problem of stopping TrueBrain getting bored :D
19:44:23  <glx> keyboard doesn't work
19:46:24  <glx> ok so disabling coal mine also removes power station
20:15:38  <TrueBrain> glx: yup
20:15:43  <TrueBrain> fun gimmick on my part :P
20:18:41  <andythenorth> does it analyse cargo chains? :P
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21:31:33  <andythenorth> OH IT'S BEDTIME
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21:43:47  <Timberwolf> I should play into the maglev era more often. The station design gets really interesting.
21:46:15  <FLHerne> Yeah, but the trains get really boring
21:46:38  <FLHerne> "this train has infinity speed +1, and can ignore hills just like the last one"
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21:52:58  <Timberwolf> What I didn't appreciate is while hills become a "meh, who cares", things like failed merges and enforced slowdowns absolutely kill a maglev line, causing standing waves that it's difficult to recover from unless your design lets them propagate all the way back to a station or other train release.
21:53:17  <Timberwolf> Probably less of an issue with short train lengths.
21:54:39  <Timberwolf> With longer trains the acceleration 250mph->400mph requires a significant amount of track.
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