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00:06:44 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 00:07:01 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 00:07:23 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 00:15:56 *** swek has joined #openttd 00:16:04 <swek> a 00:16:20 *** swek has quit IRC 00:21:59 *** Soni has quit IRC 00:40:51 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler updated pull request #10027: Feature: Purchase land multiple tiles at a time https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10027 00:41:52 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #10027: Feature: Purchase land multiple tiles at a time https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10027#issuecomment-1280114156 01:27:29 *** wallabra has joined #openttd 02:10:00 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 02:13:24 *** debdog has quit IRC 02:25:47 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 02:26:46 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 02:28:21 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 02:30:26 *** D-HUND is now known as debdog 02:39:34 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 03:37:04 *** Soni has joined #openttd 03:49:07 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 03:56:30 *** Flygon_ has joined #openttd 04:01:32 *** Flygon has quit IRC 04:24:47 *** felix_ has quit IRC 04:25:22 *** felix has joined #openttd 04:51:34 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 04:51:37 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 04:51:52 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 05:24:03 *** Flygon_ has quit IRC 06:12:49 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 06:17:27 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 06:27:51 <andythenorth> pickpacket: 👍 06:44:59 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] krysclarke opened pull request #10085: Spelling mistake and grammatical correction in CONTRIBUTING.md file https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10085 06:52:17 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro merged pull request #10085: Doc: Spelling mistake and grammatical correction in CONTRIBUTING.md file https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10085 06:55:03 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro merged pull request #10084: Fix #9889: Restore Tile validation after the parameter swap. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10084 07:47:26 <dP> DorpsGek: IMO would be better to remove implicit checks for the first tile parameter at all as it is pretty confusing 08:06:58 <petern> Or somehow do magic to check all TileIndex parameters. 08:07:21 <petern> (And probably fall over on INVALID_TILE...) 08:07:28 <LordAro> except sometimes you want invalid tiles :p 08:08:03 <LordAro> introduce a ValidTileIndex type, that does the check in the constructor :) 08:54:18 *** wallabra_ has joined #openttd 08:59:37 *** wallabra has quit IRC 08:59:37 *** wallabra_ is now known as wallabra 09:08:58 *** wallabra has quit IRC 09:54:18 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #10086: Change: Compress PNG images. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10086#issuecomment-1280596833 09:55:48 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Fdawgs commented on pull request #10086: Change: Compress PNG images. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10086#issuecomment-1280598524 10:10:12 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Fdawgs updated pull request #10086: Change: Compress PNG images. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10086 10:18:43 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] FLHerne commented on pull request #10086: Doc: Compress PNG images. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10086#issuecomment-1280627703 10:20:14 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Fdawgs commented on pull request #10086: Doc: Compress PNG images. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10086#issuecomment-1280629626 10:20:17 <DorpsGek> [Ope2022-10-17T10:41:25 <Eddi|zuHause> that was a clear case of "changing something just for the sake of changing something" 11:18:17 <tokai|noir> Generally recompressing PNGs (or other image formats) isn't a bad idea though. I'm sure a few GB could be saved in my application folders here if all developers would do so were suitable. 11:28:38 <petern> This only affects the repository though, we don't actually ship PNGs. 11:36:56 <LordAro> in theory it would speed up the CI ever so slightly, as that does do a --depth=n 11:37:19 <LordAro> but also due to the way that GH makes pull requests, the very act of making a PR has already included it in the repo 11:39:24 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #10087: Change: Double speed for speed rating at stations for road vehicle. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10087#pullrequestreview-1143999722 11:55:01 <FLHerne> LordAro: hm, in that case what stops me opening a PR with an incredibly large file and permanently bloating the repo for everyone 11:55:05 <FLHerne> seems like a bad idea 11:55:34 <LordAro> yup 11:57:04 <LordAro> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24882921 12:00:54 <petern> Only if they download that branch. A clone doesn't include remote branches by default. 12:05:20 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 12:07:15 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #10087: Change: Double speed for speed rating at stations for road vehicle. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10087#pullrequestreview-1144035873 12:13:18 *** virtualrandomnumber has joined #openttd 12:13:32 *** virtualrandomnumber has quit IRC 12:59:33 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] condac opened issue #10088: [Bug]: Can't remove railroad with drag and drop https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10088 13:01:13 <LordAro> TallTyler: ^ 13:08:04 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #10088: [Bug]: Can't remove railroad with drag and drop https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10088 13:10:25 <TallTyler> Oops, I’ll look into that today 13:14:56 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] condac updated pull request #10087: Change: Double speed for speed rating at stations for road vehicle. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10087 13:18:12 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] condac commented on pull request #10087: Change: Double speed for speed rating at stations for road vehicle. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10087#pullrequestreview-1144144680 13:29:03 *** tokai has joined #openttd 13:29:03 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 13:36:05 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 14:13:21 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on issue #10088: [Bug]: Can't remove railroad with drag and drop https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10088 14:17:18 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 14:27:55 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #10087: Change: Double speed for speed rating at stations for road vehicle. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10087#pullrequestreview-1144265328 14:51:56 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] condac updated pull request #10087: Change: Double speed for speed rating at stations for road vehicle. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10087 14:55:22 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] condac commented on pull request #10087: Change: Double speed for speed rating at stations for road vehicle. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10087#pullrequestreview-1144318136 15:05:34 *** Soni has quit IRC 15:06:46 *** Soni has joined #openttd 15:22:15 <andythenorth> petern: "I heard you work in IT" https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2022/10/14/on_call/ 15:29:51 *** supermop_Home has joined #openttd 15:49:01 *** Flygon_ has joined #openttd 15:56:33 *** Flygon has quit IRC 16:04:53 *** Soni has quit IRC 16:05:54 *** Soni has joined #openttd 16:46:32 <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1031609169557602335/unknown.png 16:46:32 <andythenorth> can we have top down view pls? 16:46:53 <andythenorth> (window resize artefact, looks good) 16:59:47 <petern> https://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/topdown.png Square top down... 17:00:18 <LordAro> ew 17:00:29 <petern> Indeed. 17:00:50 <LordAro> might almost work if you force invisible buildings 17:01:33 <andythenorth> looks like Dalle-E 17:01:40 <camthesaxman> Building sprites would need to change for that to work. 17:01:44 <andythenorth> Dalle-EEEEEE 17:02:19 <camthesaxman> And terrain would need to look flat with shading for contour. 17:02:23 <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1031613157761884160/unknown.png 17:02:23 <andythenorth> Scrubbles told Stable Diff. to make "Doom Train" 17:03:13 <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1031613367430955028/unknown.png 17:03:47 <LordAro> DOOOOOM 17:08:16 <WoozyDragon4018> 🥶🥶🥶 17:08:23 <WoozyDragon4018> docom train 17:30:47 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] frosch123 commented on pull request #10087: Change: Double speed for speed rating at stations for road vehicle. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10087#issuecomment-1281211592 18:00:18 <michi_cc[d]> And for our legacy friends: Any principal arguments against #10027 (especially from our networking friends in here)? Note that this would use the newly introduced object rate limit so griefing can be reduced. 18:08:49 <frosch> iirc the griefing thing was the only argument before 18:10:57 <frosch> not sure it was ever valid :p 18:15:15 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 18:31:39 <andythenorth> 'game is balanced' 18:31:44 <andythenorth> 'especially in MP' 18:35:27 <Bouke> Can I bypass the "version incompatible" when loading a savegame stored with current nightly on 12.2, or is the savegame not backward compatible? 18:36:32 <LordAro> you cannot 18:36:45 <LordAro> well, not without significantly hacking at the saveload code 18:37:12 <LordAro> and the result will probably be very broken 18:39:34 <Bouke> So what version are you typically running, nightly? 18:41:42 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #10027: Feature: Purchase land multiple tiles at a time https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10027#pullrequestreview-1144644075 18:41:51 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #10027: Feature: Purchase land multiple tiles at a time https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10027 18:42:35 <michi_cc[d]> So, OpenTTD 13 Beta for Halloween or something like that? 18:43:32 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 18:45:38 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Bouke updated pull request #9996: Fix #9995: Adjust viewport zoom level for HiDPI displays https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9996 18:46:34 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Bouke updated pull request #9996: Fix #9995: Adjust viewport zoom level for HiDPI displays https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9996 18:47:07 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Bouke commented on pull request #9996: Fix #9995: Adjust viewport zoom level for HiDPI displays https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9996#issuecomment-1281322038 18:47:07 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 18:52:19 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] condac updated pull request #10087: Change: Double speed for speed rating at stations for road vehicle. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10087 19:10:40 *** Wormnest_ has joined #openttd 19:11:21 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 19:13:38 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/35c1aeb6d1ea793c80aed3c6a8b0ddfbbdb163a9 19:13:39 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators) 19:19:38 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 19:20:08 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 19:26:44 <orudge> Just had a very interesting chat with a manager from Apple who was interested in our experiences with notarisation and signing etc on Mac. (That was all fine really, so not much to tell him there.) 19:26:55 <orudge> I had asked him about the Mac App Store and GPLv2 issues, he is not a lawyer but did speak to some folk within Apple and they seem to think that, from their side, there's not a problem submitting OpenTTD to their store, it's more a problem for us if a developer objects to their code going onto a "closed" store (though the app that's downloaded should be DRM-free). 19:27:01 <orudge> But given nobody has, AFAIK, objected to Steam or the MS store, maybe it'd be fine. 19:28:12 <petern> "He is not a lawyer" 😉 19:31:04 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 19:44:32 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 19:46:45 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 19:47:42 *** wallabra has joined #openttd 19:53:37 <Eddi|zuHause> a "closed" store was never a problem for GPLv2 19:55:21 <petern> Heh, finding things that are no longer drawn the same... because currently there's bugs. *shrugs* 19:55:56 <andythenorth> that's interesting 19:56:44 <andythenorth> about a decade ago, the GPL issue was FSF 19:56:46 <andythenorth> https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforcement 19:56:57 <andythenorth> I assumed Apple banned GPL for that reason 19:57:38 <petern> Hmm, I could do with an RTL english. 19:58:14 <petern> I wonder if a blank language with no strings would work 19:58:20 <andythenorth> oh it might be a copyright issue 19:58:29 <andythenorth> also 19:58:40 <andythenorth> submitting to App Store allegedly requires you to assert that you have the right to do so 19:58:52 <andythenorth> but on GPL v2 apps, you don't necessarily have that right 19:59:49 <andythenorth> petern: RTL bevels? 20:00:00 <petern> Of course. 20:00:41 <LordAro> would setting rtl for english_us/au be sufficient? 20:01:13 <petern> I need to make sure RTL still works with my drawing changes. I can test with Arabic (which is how I found the palette bug!) but it makes navigating a bit harder 😄 20:01:34 <dwfreed> language quick switch 20:02:00 <dwfreed> set a "debug" language, and have a hotkey that switches between them 20:02:14 <andythenorth> I've used Bork Bork for that before 😛 20:02:29 <petern> Good plan LordAro. 20:03:44 <petern> I've got a quick switch for toggling widget outlines, although in this case I am drawing inside widgets. 20:04:35 <petern> Heh, for some reason I assumed the characters would be out of order too, but that isn't the case 😄 20:05:14 <LordAro> you could look into #6666 if you like :p 20:07:51 <petern> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1031659830139699230/unknown.png 20:07:51 <petern> Looks fine to me? 20:08:16 <LordAro> there was definitely some confusion about it 20:08:47 <petern> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/7480 20:09:51 <petern> Looking at that commit, the issue was in the language files anyway. 20:10:39 <petern> Bad translator job rather than our code. 20:11:23 <LordAro> possibly was just a "point translators in the right direction" job 20:11:37 <LordAro> though james' comments about ownname may need checking - translators can't change those 20:19:39 <TallTyler> michi_cc[d]: Sounds like a good holiday, given the history of releasing on April Fool's Day 20:19:51 <TallTyler> Spooky release livestream perhaps? 20:21:25 <LordAro> spooky 13-beta1? 20:31:39 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:32:44 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #9907: Fix: Don't let AIs to be 100% share owned https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9907#issuecomment-1281458250 20:32:47 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro closed pull request #9907: Fix: Don't let AIs to be 100% share owned https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9907 20:41:37 *** _aD has joined #openttd 20:45:48 *** supermop_Home has quit IRC 20:46:49 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:08:18 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 21:15:04 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 21:28:30 *** Flygon_ has quit IRC 21:50:54 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 21:52:44 <TallTyler> Related to the discussion of a possible 13-beta1 release, I made a "low-hanging fruit" list of PRs which seem straightforward to review (in terms of both code and desirability), are ready for review with no outstanding changes or merge conflicts, and add a feature which I think would be valuable enough to mark as `Feature:` in the release changelog: 21:52:44 <TallTyler> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9628 21:52:44 <TallTyler> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9637 21:52:44 <TallTyler> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9760 21:52:44 <TallTyler> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9891 21:52:45 <TallTyler> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9931 21:52:45 <TallTyler> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10058 22:00:26 <TallTyler> I also think the PR list could benefit from some curation, particularly of PRs which were abandoned with unresolved review items to fix (not all of which use the formal `changes requested` review type). I remember seeing both a stale bot and manual intervention by Andy in the past, and there are currently a few PRs tagged `waiting on author` which seems helpful. If there's any interest in having a human curator again I'd be willin 22:13:23 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler updated pull request #10034: Feature: Button to honk a vehicle's horn https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10034 22:16:09 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #10034: Feature: Button to honk a vehicle's horn https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10034#issuecomment-1281563806 22:18:41 *** _aD has quit IRC 22:26:21 *** _aD has joined #openttd 22:56:07 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd