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Log for #openttd on 5th April 2023:
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01:08:02  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DefinitelyNotRau117 opened issue #10600: [Bug]: "Replace vehicles" doesn't show number greater than 999 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10600
01:45:42  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #10600: [Bug]: "Replace vehicles" doesn't show number greater than 999 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10600
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07:42:07  <TrueBrain> so he did manage to recover access to his account after all? Magic, how that works 🙂
07:43:22  <TrueBrain> okay, so most of BaNaNaS is classified now .. only leaving GS/AI .. I still wonder what the best approach is to deal with those ..
07:43:49  <TrueBrain> for AIs it would be nice to know if it builds trains, RVs, ships, aircrafts .. but how to detect that safely
07:44:01  <TrueBrain> analyzing the script is kinda tricky, as it might use libraries, etc
07:47:33  <TrueBrain> hmm .. and I guess you can do something like `local test = AIRoad; test.BuildRoad()`, making it even more difficult to track what is actually being called ..
07:47:36  <TrueBrain> so simulation?
07:50:29  <andythenorth> doesn't GPT know?
07:50:36  <andythenorth> we can run our own LLM in a lamdba?
07:50:48  <TrueBrain> marry GPT already
07:50:52  <andythenorth> I did ask GPT to write GS
07:50:56  <andythenorth> it's laughably bad
07:52:30  <TrueBrain> hmm ... so I guess simulation gives a few questions that needs answering .. does map-size really matter?
07:52:39  <TrueBrain> can we simulate on a 128x128, and assume it behaves similar on bigger maps?
07:52:50  <TrueBrain> (just .. you know .. slower :P)
07:53:23  <TrueBrain> is the performance of an AI when it is alone on a map comparable against when there are several on a map?
07:53:43  <TrueBrain> we can't actually measure if it is "playing nice" anyway
07:54:07  <TrueBrain> does start-date matter? does climate matter? do NewGRFs loaded matter?
07:55:15  <TrueBrain> and ofc, what is the best way to make screenshots of the minimap so you can see a timelaps 😛
07:56:22  <TrueBrain> guess we just need to agree on some presets to run simulation on .. some variations which are realistic
07:56:42  <TrueBrain> which brings me to the next question .. where to get the hardware from to run this on .. hmmm
07:57:17  <TrueBrain> we have sufficient CPU power left in our cluster .. just RAM is a bit of an issue 🙂
08:02:27  <petern> Create a botnet to hand the work off to random computers...
08:02:52  <petern> I downloaded Fallout 76 last night. I created a character this morning.
08:03:03  <petern> I saw a guitar and went to play it.
08:03:22  <petern> The game crashed, less than 5 seconds into the game.
08:48:24  <TrueBrain> Good job
08:48:30  <TrueBrain> ever considered tester as new carreer?
08:52:24  <petern> I can test food?
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09:34:17  <pickpacket> yes
09:34:21  <pickpacket> in video games
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10:40:50  <pickpacket> is there any difference in how much money Owen receives depending on if I do a bank transfer or use paypal?
10:51:26  <LordAro> paypal generally takes a cut
10:52:41  <pickpacket> ty
10:58:11  <pickpacket> hm. My bank wants to know Owen's address before letting me send him money
10:59:00  <LordAro> orudge: ^ if you're about
10:59:09  <LordAro> seems a bit strange though
10:59:49  <petern> Anti money laundering rules I guess
11:00:43  <pickpacket> https://lounge.warmedal.se/uploads/4b5da049809e5468/image.png  🤷
11:01:11  <pickpacket> that red (1) means "you have to fill this in, bro"
11:01:26  <petern> This stuff is why I'd just use PayPal 🙂
11:02:02  <petern> Hmm, hungry. 5 mugs of coffee doesn't help that.
11:02:11  <petern> Does mean lots of trips upstairs though.
11:02:11  <pickpacket> yeah, that's certainly simpler :) I just want as much as possible of the money to reach him
11:04:12  <pickpacket> meh. I'll just use paypal. Will have to wait until I have my bank card here though
11:29:11  <TrueBrain> Maybe we should enable GitHub Sponsor stuff; from what I read it is pretty decent
11:31:08  <andythenorth> I used to git-tip people
11:31:10  <andythenorth> back in the day
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11:37:19  <pickpacket> TrueBrain: couldn't hurt. Also couldn't hurt to show what the actual cost of services is somewhere
11:38:37  <TrueBrain> Bit tricky, as it isn't constant. But it is around 300 dollar a month, give or take a release
11:49:48  <pickpacket> O.o
11:49:55  <pickpacket> that is a lot of money
11:50:04  <pickpacket> *a lot* of money
11:50:17  <TrueBrain> not really, looking at the infrastructure we have going
11:50:37  <pickpacket> didn't say it was expensive, just a lot of money :)
11:50:43  <TrueBrain> fair enough
11:51:11  <pickpacket> for an open source project which most fans probably more or less take for granted
11:51:42  <TrueBrain> we have been fairly blessed that we haven't needed any fundraiser in years; people are graceful enough to donate on their own. That always makes me happy 🙂
11:52:09  <pickpacket> ❤️
12:05:14  <TrueBrain> hmm, it made me look into Cloudflare R2 again .. should save a bit of money every month, as a big part of the bill is bandwidth .. just a bit complex to understand how to use it best, with the least amount of effort 😛
12:07:59  <TrueBrain> and it would require a 14.0 release, so clients use https ..
12:20:36  <andythenorth> lunch?
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12:21:11  <andythenorth> we don't have 'donate' in the client? 😛
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12:26:46  <pickpacket> andythenorth: ooo! That'd be a great thing to have!
12:27:06  <pickpacket> TrueBrain: what eats the bandwidth? multiplayer games?
12:28:31  <dP> a/zBase? xD
12:32:48  <petern> TrueBrain: Release early, often, etc ...
12:32:58  <LordAro> the larger newgrfs (not just a/zBase) are the reason we have caching bananas servers...
12:33:12  <petern> Upset the diehard Debian stable users
12:34:47  <petern> andythenorth: I had a salad again.
12:34:56  <andythenorth> cheese on toast here
12:34:58  <petern> I might get something different one day.
12:35:06  <andythenorth> have red leaves not green?
12:35:50  <petern> Also it's MTB night, so I should probably have an early dinner.
12:42:06  <pickpacket> I haven't been on a run for several days, but today I'm installing a dishwasher so I won't have time
12:45:32  <TrueBrain> petern: Yeah, never managed to make that a thing with OpenTTD
12:46:18  <petern> There's always "just one more thing"
12:46:29  <petern> And luls.
12:46:44  <andythenorth> and too much overhead
12:46:59  <andythenorth> but we grind that down a bit every time?
12:47:37  <andythenorth> one of the projects I manage has a really bureaucratic release cycle
12:48:06  <andythenorth> there are 10 steps in the release template
12:48:16  <andythenorth> and it takes up to an hour, depending when the deploy script runs
12:48:23  <andythenorth> unless I screw up, then it's longer 😛
12:50:29  <andythenorth> hmm .... but we can't release very often?
12:50:35  <andythenorth> because client - server compatibility?
13:18:20  <pickpacket> yeah.
13:18:36  <pickpacket> I wouldn't want to update every day
13:18:59  <pickpacket> 3-6 times a year is a good release cycle imho
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17:44:28  <petern> Well it would have to be raining...
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19:58:38  <audigexJon> pickpacket: Why limit yourself to only once a day? AM and PM builds
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20:42:11  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 opened pull request #282: Update: changelog for 0.7.2 https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/282
20:45:55  <dwfreed> every commit :D
20:47:08  <andythenorth> so just ship the nightly to the website, you say?
20:50:38  <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1093276535387070535/image.png
20:50:38  <andythenorth> hmm finally
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21:38:33  <petern> Oh no, I just realised I'm in a new category in Strava...
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21:40:56  <pickpacket> petern: which category?
21:41:31  <petern> 45-54 age range
21:42:43  <petern> I've been in a few weight categories, I can control that one...
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