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00:19:58 <Stablean> *** Sylf has left the game (leaving) 00:19:58 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 00:26:29 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 00:26:30 <Stablean> *** Darkleandro joined the game 01:02:09 <Stablean> *** Darkleandro has left the game (leaving) 01:02:09 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 03:19:33 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 03:19:35 <Stablean> *** md joined the game 03:45:50 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 03:47:16 <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to Woot! 03:47:40 <Stablean> *** Woot! has joined company #6 03:58:34 <Stablean> *** Woot! has left the game (leaving) 05:23:17 <Stablean> *** md has left the game (leaving) 05:23:17 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 06:12:24 *** DayDreamer has joined #openttdcoop.stable 07:15:45 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.stable 07:15:45 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 08:58:16 <Stablean> *** Vinnie joined the game 08:59:09 <Stablean> *** Vinnie has joined company #1 08:59:09 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 09:00:22 *** hanf has joined #openttdcoop.stable 09:11:48 <Stablean> *** Mks joined the game 09:11:52 <Stablean> <Vinnie> Hello 09:11:58 <Stablean> <Mks> hi 09:16:32 <Stablean> <Vinnie> Nooo my mouse is dying 09:20:04 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 09:20:06 <Stablean> <V453000> morning 09:20:09 <Stablean> <Vinnie> Hello 09:20:11 <Stablean> <Mks> hey V 09:20:47 <Stablean> <V453000> any of you wants to try drawing some sprites? :) 09:21:03 <Stablean> <Vinnie> no thank you 09:21:05 <Stablean> <Mks> for trains you mean? 09:21:09 <Stablean> <V453000> yes 09:21:33 <Stablean> <V453000> it is easy 09:21:42 <Stablean> <V453000> just takes a ton of time 09:21:42 <Stablean> <Mks> no idea how 09:21:56 <Stablean> <Mks> also its easy if it looks like crap I guess? 09:22:05 <Stablean> <V453000> actually not 09:22:17 <Stablean> <V453000> I cannot draw myself and I think the results are somewhat acceptable 09:23:19 <planetmaker> <Stablean> <V453000> it is easy 09:23:19 <planetmaker> <Stablean> <V453000> just takes a ton of time <-- those are the crucial words. Especially "tons of time" 09:23:56 <planetmaker> I spent days on the new shore tiles. And I'm spending days on the new river shore sprites 09:24:01 <planetmaker> Same with the trees... 09:24:07 <V453000> yeah 09:24:09 <Stablean> <Mks> ohh 09:24:15 <Stablean> <Mks> for opengfx? 09:24:18 <planetmaker> yeah 09:24:19 <V453000> on the other hand it is awesome that it is really just about thinking not about artistic abilities imo 09:24:36 <planetmaker> yep 09:24:48 <planetmaker> and one gets a bit quicker with actually just doing it 09:24:55 <V453000> sure :) 09:24:58 <planetmaker> One will somewhat develop an eye for what works and how it works 09:25:01 <Stablean> <Vinnie> howcome it is so time consuming? do you have to write code for it 09:25:04 <planetmaker> and how to use the (graphic) tools 09:25:14 <planetmaker> Vinnie_nl, I only talked about drawing 09:25:30 <V453000> Vinnie: no you just draw it pixel by pixel, but the views are at least 8 for each vehicle, they have to fit and have some certain scale 09:25:32 <planetmaker> coding is an entirely different issue. And is equally time consuming 09:25:54 <Stablean> <Vinnie> ahh i see 09:25:55 <V453000> usually when you draw something more complicated than "just a can" then the other view on the few pixels you got can be a real pain to make 09:26:07 <V453000> but "cans" are rather simple :) 09:26:16 <V453000> which is ... majority of trains for normal train sets 09:26:49 <Stablean> <Vinnie> you making an own newgrf with trains? 09:26:52 <planetmaker> yeah... I got riverbanks done. For flat terrain except snow 09:26:52 <V453000> yes 09:26:59 <planetmaker> Thus only snowy river banks remain 09:27:11 <planetmaker> Oh, and all the same for all 4 rotations for sloped rivers for all terrain types :-P 09:27:14 <planetmaker> Easy, eh? ;-) 09:27:17 <V453000> just tell me if you wanted to try it, it is not hard, it is only about the start, but if someone tells you what to get where and how, it is quick :) 09:27:29 <planetmaker> ^^ very much so 09:27:37 <planetmaker> it's about just trying it and having some patience 09:27:53 <Stablean> <Mks> I perhaps could try but not sure I want to try today 09:28:09 <V453000> as you well know I am here every day not just today :p 09:28:18 <V453000> and my offer is probably for a looong time :p 09:28:38 <planetmaker> V453000, maybe you care to make a small drawing tutorial in the tt-wiki? 09:28:40 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah I know your always here :) 09:28:44 <planetmaker> About your first steps or so? 09:28:50 <V453000> planetmaker: possibly :) 09:29:28 <hanf> planetmaker: the code isn't that bad, assuming you don't use nfo :P 09:29:47 <Stablean> <Vinnie> PS i still have op rights here is that ok because i have been away 09:30:12 <V453000> does that hurt anyhow? :) 09:30:19 <Stablean> <Vinnie> not for me 09:30:34 <V453000> just keep them, I dont mind at all and I see that Sylf does not care about the server too extensively either 09:30:35 <planetmaker> hanf, "not bad" doesn't mean "not time consuming" 09:30:52 <V453000> so feel free to do stuff Vinnie 09:31:24 <V453000> if would be nice if you kept the style of the server as I or Sylf did but if not, I believe you will have good reasons for it 09:31:39 <Stablean> <Vinnie> a train grf :) 09:31:53 <V453000> hehe, I believe this map is not "the style" 09:32:06 <Stablean> <Mks> due to no train grf you mean? 09:32:16 <V453000> is there any grf at all? 09:32:21 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah station grfs 09:32:26 <V453000> oh 09:32:28 <V453000> well, still :) 09:32:31 <Stablean> <Vinnie> we play with the vanilla trains and that is not normal on this server 09:32:41 <Stablean> <Mks> bridge grf also 09:32:43 <V453000> not normal ... not frequent :) 09:32:54 <V453000> either way, you know what to do 09:33:05 <Stablean> <Mks> I am gona make a map one of those days 09:33:22 <Stablean> <V453000> or there still is a load of my old maps somewhere 09:33:32 <Stablean> <Mks> unused? 09:33:40 <V453000> no, already used, but I doubt you remember them all 09:33:55 <V453000> there is like 100 maps I thnk 09:34:17 <Stablean> <Vinnie> yeah you can check it 09:34:44 <Vinnie_nl> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/stable/save/uploads/?C=M;O=D 09:35:10 <V453000> basically that but you can do that via rcon already :p 09:35:22 <Stablean> <Vinnie> :) 09:36:54 <Stablean> <V453000> anyway, I will be going, let me know if you wanted to try some drawing :P I promise the best train set ever 09:37:02 <Stablean> <V453000> or, best fitting for "our" purposes 09:37:10 <Stablean> <Mks> :) 09:37:12 <Stablean> <V453000> be it stable or PS 09:37:14 <Stablean> <Vinnie> you got an amount of trains? 09:37:17 <Stablean> <V453000> I do 09:37:21 <Stablean> <V453000> about 80 09:37:43 <Stablean> <Vinnie> ke maybe later cya 09:37:51 <Stablean> <V453000> they are in 5 categories and in the category you get a new train every 10 years which is better, stronger, faster and whatever than the previous one 09:37:59 <Stablean> <V453000> so in the end you get a new train every 2 years 09:38:09 <Stablean> <V453000> from 1920 till ~2070 09:38:16 <Stablean> <Mks> wow 09:38:26 <Stablean> <Mks> how fast are the last trains? 09:38:32 <Stablean> <V453000> 666 kmh 09:38:32 <Stablean> <V453000> :D 09:38:32 <Stablean> <Mks> only rail locos I guess? 09:38:34 <Stablean> <Mks> wow 09:38:36 <Stablean> <V453000> nono 09:38:38 <Stablean> <V453000> rail mono and maglev 09:38:44 <Stablean> <Mks> ohhh 09:38:48 <Stablean> <Mks> thought you didn'tlike maglev 09:38:54 <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ur-trains info here 09:38:57 <V453000> why would I not like maglev 09:39:06 <Mks> to fast? 09:39:25 <Stablean> <V453000> doesnt hurt, makes PBS much less usable 09:39:35 <Stablean> <Vinnie> current maglev has not enough power and KN 09:40:02 <Stablean> <V453000> certainly ... I intend to make 3 cargo train classes - strong, normal and fast 09:40:07 <Stablean> <V453000> strong will definitely have enough 09:40:25 <Mks> how fast are the strong trains thought? 09:40:36 <Stablean> <V453000> 400kmh on maglev, 160 on rail 09:41:05 <V453000> all details on trains here https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AoP_7PwM8-MSdE5wUWJtZm1odzRyakF2cjZUWXp6SEE&output=html 09:41:06 <Webster> Title: Unrealistic Train Set engine table (at spreadsheets.google.com) 09:41:07 <Stablean> <Mks> ohh so there are cargo maglev trains 09:41:17 <Stablean> <V453000> yes 09:41:49 <Mks> whats ICE? 09:41:53 <Stablean> <Vinnie> Sylf owned me in this map :( 09:41:55 <Stablean> <V453000> fast pax 09:41:56 <Mks> stron meidum fast, ice 09:42:00 <Mks> ahh 09:43:07 <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2912 and this is one of the bonus trains that are not in the engine table 09:43:20 <V453000> those are going to be particularly weird and ) 09:43:30 <V453000> and/or cool ... but have less usable stats 09:44:13 <Mks> is it gona have tilting trains as well so you can have shorter curve radious? 09:44:23 <Stablean> <V453000> I did not say that 09:44:41 <Stablean> <V453000> but the monorail local pax trains might have that 09:44:45 <Mks> I mean more if any trains gona have that 09:44:55 <Stablean> <V453000> only local probably 09:45:06 <Stablean> <V453000> no other, would just benefit noobs to use longer trains 09:45:31 <Mks> :P 09:45:36 <Mks> I like semi long trains 09:45:48 <Stablean> <V453000> but there are some features that might interest you, starting with a wagon that is able to refit to any cargo, built-in universal engine, or being able to flip all engines 09:45:55 <Mks> to long well are cool but its to much benefits in it in openttd 09:46:05 <Stablean> *** .Roland joined the game 09:46:06 <Mks> oohh 09:46:13 <Stablean> <Vinnie> Nice V 09:46:16 <Stablean> <Vinnie> hello Roland 09:46:17 <Mks> nice 09:46:18 <Stablean> <V453000> I know :p 09:46:21 <Stablean> <.Roland> goodmorning! 09:46:24 <Stablean> <V453000> hi Roland 09:46:32 <Mks> so any of those trains have spirits yet? 09:46:37 <Stablean> <V453000> well, if you wanted to help me with realizing that, you know what to do :P 09:46:43 <Stablean> <.Roland> just browsing around for inspiration ;) 09:46:47 <Stablean> <V453000> you mean sprites Mks? 09:46:49 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 09:46:53 <Stablean> <Vinnie> I need some help 09:47:11 <Stablean> <Mks> yes 09:47:20 <V453000> sure, see the devzone issues 09:47:21 <Stablean> <Vinnie> Where are the primaries 09:47:29 <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ur-trains/issues 09:47:38 <V453000> I put everything there 09:48:19 <Mks> not much done huh 09:48:47 <Stablean> <Vinnie> dont pick fights you cant win 09:48:57 <V453000> well, I am drawing for just 2 months 09:49:05 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh 09:49:13 <Stablean> <Mks> will be awesome once its finnished thought 09:49:37 <V453000> it wont finish itself though :P 09:50:03 <Stablean> <Vinnie> no AI trainset builder? 09:50:06 <hanf> well you'd best get drawing then! 09:50:36 <V453000> I am .. :D 09:56:30 <Stablean> <.Roland> byebye! 09:56:32 <Stablean> *** .Roland has left the game (leaving) 09:56:34 <Stablean> <Vinnie> cya 10:11:46 <Stablean> <Vinnie> planning a water crossing? 10:12:01 <Stablean> <Mks> yes 10:14:47 <Stablean> <Mks> 2001 for monorail? 10:14:53 <Stablean> <Vinnie> correct 10:15:06 <Stablean> <Vinnie> 2000 for someone with monopoly 10:45:07 <Stablean> <Vinnie> @@gap 8 3 10:45:07 <Webster> Stablean: (gap <trainlength> [<split>]) -- Returns minimum and maximum signal gap sizes for 2,3 and 4 linesplits with <trainlength>. If <spilt> is given it will return the gap sizes for <split> (+/-) 1. 10:45:15 <Vinnie_nl> @ gap 8 3 10:45:15 <Webster> Vinnie_nl: For Trainlength of 8: <= 14 needs 2, 15 - 24 needs 3, 25 - 34 needs 4. 10:45:31 <V453000> @@(gap8 3) 10:45:34 <V453000> hm 10:45:37 <V453000> how was that¨ 10:45:41 <Stablean> <Vinnie> yeah i remember now 10:45:43 <V453000> @@gap(8 3) 10:45:49 <Stablean> <Vinnie> ingame @@(gap 3 8) 10:45:49 <Webster> Stablean: For Trainlength of 3: 30 - 34 needs 7, 35 - 39 needs 8, 40 - 44 needs 9. 10:46:00 <V453000> does not matter if ingame or here I think 10:46:08 <V453000> but it probably matters if in the beginning of a line 10:46:16 <V453000> just like @@(gap3 8) is going to work 10:46:24 <V453000> just like @@(gap 3 8) is going to work 10:46:24 <Webster> V453000: For Trainlength of 3: 30 - 34 needs 7, 35 - 39 needs 8, 40 - 44 needs 9. 10:46:32 <Stablean> <Vinnie> you at school now? 10:46:36 <V453000> no 10:46:43 <V453000> I start shool in 20 days 10:46:56 <Stablean> <Vinnie> i want to go to that school 11:00:37 <Vinnie_nl> @(gap 2 3) 11:00:56 <Vinnie_nl> @@gap(23 3) 11:01:11 <Vinnie_nl> @@gap(2 3) 11:01:27 <Vinnie_nl> !help 11:02:00 <V453000> :D 11:02:07 <V453000> @gap 2 3 11:02:07 <Webster> V453000: For Trainlength of 2: <= 8 needs 2, 9 - 12 needs 3, 13 - 16 needs 4. 11:02:09 <V453000> in irc 11:03:06 <Vinnie_nl> @gap 3 2 11:03:06 <Webster> Vinnie_nl: For Trainlength of 3: <= 9 needs 2, 10 - 14 needs 3, 15 - 19 needs 4. 11:06:47 <Stablean> *** Vinnie has joined spectators 11:07:07 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 11:07:11 <Stablean> <Vinnie> hello player 11:09:32 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (connection lost) 11:36:29 <Stablean> *** Vinnie has joined company #1 11:58:09 <Stablean> *** Mks has joined spectators 11:58:31 <Stablean> *** Mks has joined company #4 11:58:43 <Stablean> *** Mks has joined spectators 13:08:44 <Stablean> *** Timmaexx joined the game 13:08:48 <Stablean> <Vinnie> Hello 13:08:54 <Stablean> <Timmaexx> Hi Vinnie 13:09:12 <Stablean> *** Mks has joined company #4 13:09:54 <Stablean> *** Timmaexx has started a new company (#6) 13:14:44 <Stablean> <Vinnie> i am so broke 13:15:04 <Stablean> <Mks> lol how did you become broke :P 13:15:22 <Stablean> <Vinnie> Some water terraform and imidialty after that replace to monorail 13:15:36 <Stablean> <Timmaexx> by accident 13:15:40 <Stablean> <Vinnie> so no money to buy the new trains 13:15:40 <Stablean> <Timmaexx> ? 13:15:44 <Stablean> <Vinnie> some tf yes 13:16:59 <Stablean> <Timmaexx> lets see how far i'll get with my busonly project 13:17:25 <Stablean> <Vinnie> busses? 13:17:43 <Stablean> <Timmaexx> yep 13:18:51 <Stablean> *** Harry joined the game 13:19:03 <Stablean> <Vinnie> prince Harry? 13:19:23 <Stablean> <Harry> no 13:19:34 <Stablean> <Timmaexx> Oh HRM 13:19:40 <Stablean> *** Harry has left the game (leaving) 13:22:06 <Stablean> <Vinnie> is there a quick way to see how many trains are in a selected depot? 13:23:05 <Stablean> <Vinnie> see the income graph you can see who is replacing trains 13:23:35 <Stablean> <Timmaexx> it would be very cool to have automatically generated vehicle lists 13:23:45 <Stablean> <Timmaexx> like one that list all trains in depots 13:43:08 <Stablean> <Vinnie> i am back in the top 13:43:26 <Stablean> <Mks> :P 13:43:31 <Stablean> <Mks> I am still trying to replace the trains 13:43:41 <Stablean> <Vinnie> use the universal rail depot 13:43:47 <Stablean> <Mks> I do but takes forever :P 13:43:53 <Stablean> <Mks> I need to place more of them :) 13:43:57 <Stablean> <Vinnie> you can autoreplace 13:44:01 <Stablean> <Mks> I know 13:45:29 <Stablean> <Mks> wow I really lost some income :P 13:45:56 <Stablean> <Vinnie> 500k is not alot 13:46:58 <Stablean> <Mks> well 13:49:03 <Stablean> <Vinnie> time to mix it up with some pax 13:58:58 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 13:59:10 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (connection lost) 13:59:58 <Stablean> *** Vinnie has joined spectators 14:01:48 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 14:02:01 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (connection lost) 14:47:28 <Stablean> *** Timmaexx has left the game (leaving) 14:50:24 *** DayDreamer has quit IRC 15:26:19 *** TWerkhoven has joined #openttdcoop.stable 15:39:58 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 15:48:11 <Stablean> <Vinnie> time for PS 15:48:14 <Stablean> <Vinnie> cya 15:48:24 <Stablean> *** Vinnie has left the game (leaving) 16:25:03 <Stablean> *** Wisepotato joined the game 16:39:48 <Stablean> *** Wisepotato has left the game (leaving) 16:55:25 <Stablean> *** md joined the game 16:57:13 *** fusky has joined #openttdcoop.stable 16:58:06 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.stable 17:03:10 <Stablean> *** Krym joined the game 17:04:22 <Stablean> *** Krym has started a new company (#6) 17:12:18 <Stablean> *** md has left the game (leaving) 17:15:04 <Stablean> <Mks> why can't I replace to maglev 17:15:36 <TWerkhoven> !date 17:15:36 <Stablean> TWerkhoven: 3 Apr 2024 17:15:49 <TWerkhoven> any maglev locomotives available yet? 17:15:52 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 17:16:05 <Stablean> <Mks> well I mean I can't replace monorail to universal enginee 17:17:08 <Stablean> <Mks> yes 1 17:35:20 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.stable 17:36:28 *** DayDreamer has joined #openttdcoop.stable 17:51:52 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 18:18:05 *** Vinnie_nl has left #openttdcoop.stable 18:18:48 *** Vinnie_nl has joined #openttdcoop.stable 18:18:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Vinnie_nl 18:25:15 <Stablean> *** Mks has joined spectators 18:25:17 <Stablean> *** Mks has left the game (leaving) 18:35:36 <Stablean> *** DayDreamer joined the game 18:46:42 <Stablean> *** DayDreamer has joined company #6 19:01:02 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.stable 19:10:54 <Stablean> *** Ed joined the game 19:12:27 <Stablean> *** Ed has left the game (leaving) 19:22:32 *** TWerkhoven[l] has joined #openttdcoop.stable 19:37:33 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 19:37:43 <Stablean> <Krym> oh, nice 19:39:45 <Stablean> <V453000> hy 19:39:45 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 19:39:57 <Stablean> <Krym> hey 19:40:07 <Stablean> <DayDreamer> hye 19:40:17 <Stablean> <Krym> oh there you are :) 19:41:59 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 19:58:54 <Stablean> *** Vinnie joined the game 19:58:58 <Stablean> <Vinnie> hello 19:59:28 <Stablean> *** Vinnie has joined company #1 19:59:30 <Stablean> <Krym> hi 20:00:20 <Stablean> <Krym> hops :) 20:00:58 <Stablean> <Vinnie> one signal made a jam :( 20:07:36 <Stablean> <Krym> yeah I see 20:07:54 <Stablean> <Krym> love the building style, I need to learn that :) 20:08:33 <Stablean> <Vinnie> your teammate can build like that 20:08:51 <Stablean> <DayDreamer> hi Vinnie 20:08:57 <Stablean> <Vinnie> hey DD 20:14:26 <Stablean> <Krym> right 20:16:50 *** fusky is now known as Krym 20:22:40 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.stable 20:28:25 <Stablean> <Krym> what's CL < TL ? 20:39:23 <Vinnie_nl> Curvelength is smaller than trainlength 20:39:29 <Vinnie_nl> ergo train slows down 20:41:39 <Stablean> *** Vinnie has joined spectators 20:44:42 <Stablean> <Vinnie> goodnight 20:44:48 <Stablean> *** Vinnie has left the game (leaving) 20:44:50 <Stablean> <Krym> night 20:45:49 <Stablean> *** Darkleandro joined the game 20:46:04 <Stablean> *** Darkleandro has left the game (connection lost) 20:47:05 <Stablean> *** Darkleandro joined the game 20:47:20 <Stablean> *** Darkleandro has left the game (connection lost) 20:59:10 <Stablean> *** DayDreamer has left the game (connection lost) 20:59:45 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:15:15 *** TWerkhoven[l] has quit IRC 21:18:44 *** TWerkhoven has quit IRC 21:20:27 *** DayDreamer has quit IRC 21:25:09 *** Vinnie_nl has left #openttdcoop.stable 21:36:27 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 21:36:32 <Stablean> *** Krym has left the game (connection lost) 21:36:34 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 21:39:31 *** Krym has left #openttdcoop.stable 22:56:29 *** minisylf has joined #openttdcoop.stable 22:56:51 *** Sylf has quit IRC 23:13:03 *** hanf has quit IRC