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<Stablean> *** Cameron joined the game 07:07:40 <Stablean> *** Cameron has left the game (leaving) 10:26:56 <Stablean> *** Ringgeest11 joined the game 10:27:08 <Stablean> <Ringgeest11> Hey all 10:27:46 <Stablean> *** Ringgeest11 has left the game (leaving) 10:28:07 *** Ringgeest11 has joined #openttdcoop.stable 10:28:30 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 10:28:32 <Stablean> *** Ringgeest11 joined the game 10:32:16 <Stablean> *** Ringgeest11 has left the game (leaving) 10:32:16 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 10:43:15 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 10:43:17 <Stablean> *** Mks joined the game 10:48:17 <Stablean> <Mks> what train that is fast have the best acceleration? 11:15:27 <Stablean> *** Mks has joined spectators 11:15:27 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 11:29:22 <Stablean> *** Mks has left the game (leaving) 11:42:18 *** Anson has quit IRC 11:42:37 *** Anson has joined #openttdcoop.stable 12:11:04 <Stablean> *** 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<Stablean> <[RO] RTM> pauze 13:54:05 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> unpause 13:54:27 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM has joined spectators 13:55:56 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> status 13:57:30 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> start_ai LOL 13:59:25 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> ` 14:00:31 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> autoclean_novehicles 14:00:46 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM has joined company #3 14:00:54 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has enabled autopause mode. 14:03:11 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM has joined spectators 14:04:45 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (leaving) 14:12:53 <Mks> mmm 14:13:42 <Stablean> *** Mks joined the game 14:14:21 <Mks> !auto 14:14:21 <Stablean> *** Mks has enabled autopause mode. 14:14:27 <Mks> !rcon set min_active_clients 1 14:14:27 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 14:14:35 <Stablean> *** Mks has joined spectators 14:14:35 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 14:14:41 <Stablean> *** Mks has joined company #5 14:14:41 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 14:15:03 <Stablean> *** Mks has joined spectators 14:15:03 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 14:19:25 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 14:19:28 <Stablean> *** r1kkie joined the game 14:21:16 <Stablean> *** r1kkie has left the game (leaving) 14:21:16 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 14:25:57 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 14:27:34 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (leaving) 14:29:53 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 14:30:17 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM has joined company #3 14:30:17 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 14:32:50 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (general timeout) 14:32:50 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 14:32:54 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 14:48:46 <Stablean> *** Smoovious joined the game 14:57:26 <Stablean> *** Smoovious has left the game (leaving) 14:58:28 *** Maraxus has joined #openttdcoop.stable 15:05:05 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 15:05:32 <Stablean> *** XxN4BxX joined the game 15:05:40 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 15:06:00 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM has joined company #3 15:06:00 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 15:07:09 <Ringgeest11> Looking at the 'log' on the IRC chat I think it is time to change the map again. People are not hanging around 15:07:35 <Stablean> <Mks> probarbly true 15:08:09 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> yep anotherr map 15:08:35 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (general timeout) 15:08:35 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 15:08:39 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 15:09:09 <Ringgeest11> Hopefully this time it is a map that allows for a coop company between me, Gash and Slicey ^^ We plannned it for this game but that was kinda out of the question due to the map 15:10:19 <Stablean> *** XxN4BxX has left the game (leaving) 15:13:39 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 15:13:55 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM has joined company #3 15:13:55 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 15:14:37 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (general timeout) 15:14:37 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 15:14:37 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 15:15:30 <Stablean> *** Mks has left the game (leaving) 15:16:29 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 15:17:02 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM has joined company #3 15:17:02 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 15:21:17 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (general timeout) 15:21:17 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 15:21:21 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 15:21:44 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 15:22:43 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM has joined company #3 15:22:43 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 15:24:11 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> A nwe map plase 15:24:51 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> a new map plase my computer is starting to go slow 15:26:41 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> admin a restart of the game on difrent type 15:27:23 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (general timeout) 15:27:23 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 15:27:23 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 15:27:47 <Stablean> *** XxN4BxX joined the game 15:29:24 <Stablean> *** XxN4BxX has left the game (leaving) 15:34:51 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 15:36:00 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM has joined company #3 15:36:00 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 15:37:34 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (general timeout) 15:37:34 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 15:37:38 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 15:37:58 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 15:38:22 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM has joined company #3 15:38:22 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 15:41:27 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (general timeout) 15:41:27 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 15:41:31 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 15:42:06 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 15:42:47 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has requested an admin. (Note: Admin will read back on irc, so please do already write down your request, no need to wait.) 15:42:55 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> a new map 15:44:05 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> admin a new type of map 15:45:33 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM has joined company #3 15:45:33 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 15:47:53 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (general timeout) 15:47:53 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 15:47:57 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 15:48:20 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 15:48:40 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM has joined company #3 15:48:40 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 15:51:03 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (general timeout) 15:51:03 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 15:51:07 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 15:51:22 *** scshunt has quit IRC 15:57:34 <Stablean> *** Ringgeest11 joined the game 15:57:45 <Stablean> *** Ringgeest11 has left the game (leaving) 15:58:09 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 15:58:12 <Stablean> *** Phillip joined the game 15:59:19 <Stablean> *** Phillip has joined company #14 16:00:11 <Stablean> *** Phillip has left the game (leaving) 16:00:11 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 16:26:54 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 16:27:17 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> admin a new map please 16:27:31 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has requested an admin. (Note: Admin will read back on irc, so please do already write down your request, no need to wait.) 16:34:23 <Stablean> *** TWerkhoven joined the game 16:40:52 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game 16:41:39 *** Jam35 has joined #openttdcoop.stable 16:41:43 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (leaving) 16:43:27 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 16:43:29 <Stablean> *** Jam35 joined the game 16:45:55 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (general timeout) 16:45:55 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 16:49:51 <Stablean> *** r1kkie joined the game 16:59:09 *** scshunt has joined #openttdcoop.stable 17:22:03 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.stable 17:22:03 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 17:24:02 <Stablean> *** Chromati joined the game 17:27:42 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game 17:28:05 <Stablean> <Jam35> hi ht 17:28:09 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi jam 17:28:16 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> how things 17:28:19 <Stablean> <Jam35> how things 17:28:29 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> good 17:28:29 <Stablean> <Jam35> good 17:28:35 <Stablean> <Jam35> :) 17:28:53 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined company #11 17:31:06 <Stablean> <Jam35> how's the network? 17:31:28 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok i am trying to make the ml 2 way 17:32:24 <Stablean> <Jam35> looks tight @ Pladworth Woods :) 17:33:23 <Stablean> <Jam35> just about 2 lines I reckon. no more! :) 17:33:41 <Stablean> <Jam35> might need to move to the other side of that puddle 17:33:51 <Stablean> <Jam35> by Pladworth 17:34:22 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yep all the ml needs redoing 17:35:22 <Stablean> *** Muel joined the game 17:35:50 <Stablean> *** Muel has left the game (processing map took too long) 17:35:50 <Stablean> *** Muel has left the game (connection lost) 17:36:11 <Stablean> *** Muel joined the game 17:36:18 <Stablean> <Jam35> I might be able to help if you like, at least when the game starts running a bit faster :/ 17:36:40 <Stablean> <Muel> hi 17:36:40 <Stablean> *** Muel has left the game (processing map took too long) 17:36:40 <Stablean> *** Muel has left the game (connection lost) 17:36:44 <Stablean> <Jam35> was fine 2 minutes ago 17:36:44 <Stablean> <Jam35> hi Muel 17:37:03 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yep i need sume help 17:37:21 <Stablean> <Jam35> give me 5 minutes... 17:39:32 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #11 17:49:25 <Stablean> *** r1kkie has left the game (leaving) 17:51:21 <Stablean> *** TWerkhoven has left the game (leaving) 18:20:52 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined spectators 18:21:00 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #6 18:21:10 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #11 18:29:17 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 18:29:49 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (processing map took too long) 18:29:49 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 18:30:26 <Stablean> *** Maraxus joined the game 18:33:58 <Sylf> yo all 18:34:09 <Stablean> <Jam35> hi 18:34:16 <Stablean> <Maraxus> hi 18:34:25 <Sylf> Is it about time for a new map? Anyone got a map we can use? 18:36:06 <Sylf> Same can be said about the PS too 18:36:47 <Ringgeest11> What are the specifications of a map? Any certain rules they need to adhere to? 18:38:21 <Sylf> none 18:38:59 <Sylf> but flat map with no water will lead to stupid style of building 18:39:36 <Sylf> cost mod is used to discourage planes, ships and terraforming, but those are optional too 18:40:07 <Sylf> having nice infrastructure grf is nice, but not needed either 18:50:10 <Ringgeest11> I see. So technically a randomly generated map would work too if the layout of the industries is fine and there some water to cross? Although I get trying to limit Airplanes, why limit ships when they could be an asset to a well oiled train network? 18:50:13 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined spectators 18:50:38 *** Mks has quit IRC 18:50:43 *** mks has joined #openttdcoop.stable 18:50:43 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mks 18:52:25 <Stablean> <Jam35> Maraxus: are you able to assist Happy? taking a break for a minute 18:52:43 <Stablean> <Maraxus> I am 18:52:53 <Stablean> <Jam35> nice ty :) 18:53:03 <Stablean> *** Maraxus has joined company #11 18:59:57 <Sylf> ringgeest, there are couple of reasons to discourage ships. 19:00:29 <Sylf> for one, building ship network gives players no challenge. 19:00:54 <Sylf> you can have challenging network building without oil rigs 19:01:14 <Sylf> we even use grfs to disable oil rigs 19:01:58 <Sylf> then there's the issue of ships' path finder being cpu resource intensive 19:03:11 <Sylf> and any company should refrain from crossing water too, and leave those continents to other players/teams 19:03:58 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 19:04:30 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (processing map took too long) 19:04:30 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 19:04:35 <Ringgeest11> Fair enough on the CPU demands. That ship networks are not challenging is very true, but I was mostly thinking of simply hopping resources from one island to the other. 19:05:04 <Stablean> *** {[FR]Syl59} joined the game 19:05:18 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 19:05:27 <Ringgeest11> That other continents are for other players/companies is not really always possible. No offense, but the FIRS map a couple of games ago had several companies spread over the entire map regardless of the ocean in between 19:05:29 <Stablean> *** Phillip joined the game 19:05:49 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (processing map took too long) 19:05:49 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 19:06:00 <Ringgeest11> In reality, I personally enjoyed the cooperation between my company consisting of me and Gashernite and the company Slicey had set up 19:06:03 <V453000> then make a map which does not allow that :) 19:06:14 <V453000> you can easily cooperate in one company regardless of what map it is 19:06:23 <Ringgeest11> I do realise this is a case of personal preference and not everyone likes it though =) 19:06:32 <Stablean> *** Gashernite joined the game 19:06:42 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 19:06:51 <Stablean> *** Phillip has joined company #14 19:06:53 <V453000> no, how is it related to map 19:07:01 <Stablean> *** Phillip has joined spectators 19:07:01 <V453000> e.g. what stopped you to cooperate on this map 19:07:10 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (processing map took too long) 19:07:10 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 19:07:13 <Ringgeest11> To be fair, I found that hard to achieve in the current map. The islands are of such size a single man can handle them and exchaning between islands was absurdly difficult 19:07:56 <V453000> I think the space of many islands was way sufficient for many people to play on them :) 19:08:01 <Ringgeest11> As in terraforming costs, no ships and ofcourse the rule that everyone kept to his own island =) 19:08:02 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 19:08:12 <V453000> of course, all that was intentional 19:08:29 <Ringgeest11> I understand that, not critising it in any shape or form 19:08:31 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #11 19:08:33 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (processing map took too long) 19:08:33 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 19:08:47 <V453000> you can criticize it, no harm in that :) 19:09:01 <V453000> either way, if you want a couple of hints on how to make maps, http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2012/10/16/creating-maps/ 19:09:09 <Ringgeest11> Will give it a look, thanks 19:09:46 <V453000> might need a few more looks ;) 19:09:57 <Stablean> <Gashernite> how long we be on this map for? 19:10:07 <Stablean> <Gashernite> I'm thinking of redoing my entire network... 19:10:17 <Stablean> <Gashernite> not sure f it's worth it 19:10:32 <Ringgeest11> I will read it. Giving it a look means I will read it 19:10:48 <V453000> I have no clue but I am not going to make a map or do anything similar :) got my own stuff to do 19:10:58 <Ringgeest11> I will be AFK whilest reading your "article" or rahter small book V ^^ 19:11:01 <Stablean> <Gashernite> haha, okay 19:11:11 <Stablean> *** [FR]Syl59 has left the game (leaving) 19:11:32 <Stablean> <Gashernite> V: I'm amazed at how much contributing you've done to the OTTD scene.. 19:11:54 <Stablean> <Gashernite> makes my contribution back in 2005-06 look like a grain of sand >.< 19:12:34 <Stablean> *** r1kkie joined the game 19:12:36 <V453000> all I can say is, never give up :P 19:12:42 <V453000> you can still catch up 19:12:54 <Stablean> <Gashernite> haha, not to sure about that 19:13:16 <Stablean> <Gashernite> although given I'll be studying coding at uni shortly, I may start up a ptach pack 19:13:22 <Stablean> <Gashernite> patch* 19:14:10 <V453000> patches are generally quite worthless tbh :) 19:14:38 <Stablean> <Gashernite> well there are things that I want to play with, that aren't in the game anymore... 19:14:48 <Stablean> <Gashernite> or rather, the patches aren't updated 19:18:19 <Stablean> <Gashernite> so... I transport has 2 stations on my island :/ 19:22:06 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Omg have 20 trains in ONE depot for refiting. 19:22:09 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Thats not good. 19:22:12 <Stablean> <Gashernite> lol 19:22:38 <Stablean> <Gashernite> you think 3.5bln is enough to flatten the whole island? 19:23:58 <Sylf> no, but it's enough to get you kick/banned 19:24:22 <Stablean> <Gashernite> O.o why would it get me banned? 19:24:22 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Why? 19:24:45 <V453000> they can flatten their own islands in this game as they want :) 19:25:06 <Sylf> :/ 19:25:10 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Omg so many trains in the depot. 19:26:00 <Stablean> <Gashernite> and I have no trains LD 19:26:02 <Stablean> <Gashernite> :D* 19:26:16 <Stablean> <Gashernite> except that last one /facepalm 19:27:19 <Sylf> I just don't like any large area being flattened, normally more space than needed 19:27:45 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Dont look at my island. :P 19:28:48 <Sylf> See if I'm even in the game 19:30:47 <Ringgeest11> V: Is there a way to show more options in my ingame Advanced options window? There are more in your screenshots and most of them don't appear in the actual game 19:32:00 <V453000> top of the window 19:32:14 <mks> I wouldn't mind a new map 19:32:15 <V453000> note that settings might also have been changed since the article was written 19:32:30 <V453000> e.g. different settings are elsewhere than before 19:32:37 <mks> V do openttcoop still run a shared infrastructure server or is that patch not even used anymore? 19:32:42 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 19:33:10 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (processing map took too long) 19:33:10 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 19:33:22 <Ringgeest11> V: Got it, thanks 19:33:28 <V453000> nobody uses that anymore mks 19:33:36 <mks> aww why not 19:33:40 <mks> I kinda of liked it 19:33:48 <V453000> playing in one comany is just superior in every single aspect 19:34:02 <mks> I know but not really the same thing 19:34:30 <V453000> indeed, IS is worse :) 19:34:46 <mks> well it was some intressting aspects when using IS 19:35:03 <V453000> and a ton of downsides 19:35:07 <mks> well true 19:35:09 <mks> but still 19:35:31 <V453000> if you cooperate with someone, and you send your trains to their network, what when their network start jamming because of your trains 19:35:32 <mks> you could make maps with premade MLs and junctions to connect to 19:35:42 <V453000> you cant solve it without joining their company (if you can) 19:35:53 <mks> true 19:35:54 <V453000> why really 19:36:03 <mks> well 19:36:05 <mks> why not 19:36:09 <V453000> why should someone not have access to the rest of infrastructure 19:36:26 <V453000> why not - because it is complication and uncomfortable, nothing else 19:36:32 <mks> for 1 some people would screw up the ML 19:36:35 <V453000> it does not provide anything new 19:36:45 <V453000> why should people screw up the ML 19:36:53 <mks> cause they don't know how to build? 19:37:00 <mks> probarbly not meaning to do so but 19:37:05 <V453000> why would you cooperate with people who you cant trust 19:37:07 <mks> might still cause it 19:37:20 <mks> I wouldn't :P 19:37:24 <V453000> any people can screw up the ML just by sending too many trains there 19:37:24 <mks> hence the IS 19:37:36 <mks> you can share portions of the network with people you don't trust 19:37:37 <V453000> or using wrong engine type, anything 19:37:38 <mks> well 19:37:54 <Stablean> <Gashernite> pineapples! 19:37:55 <mks> simply do a ml that can swallow any amount of trains 19:38:06 <Stablean> <Gashernite> oh really? 19:38:09 <V453000> no ML can swallow any amount of trains 19:38:12 <V453000> no ML. :) 19:38:13 <Stablean> <Gashernite> I'd have a go at clogging it :P 19:38:16 <mks> well true but 19:38:20 <V453000> no but 19:38:30 <Stablean> <Gashernite> fill it with 50kmh steamers :P 19:38:33 <mks> in most cases stable won't have enough trains to jam a good ml 19:38:39 <mks> if all trains use the same loco 19:38:54 <V453000> idk how you achieve that 19:38:55 <mks> like add a speed limit to the ml so only trains certain speed may enter it 19:39:05 <V453000> I always have a ton of trains and ML under capacity on stable 19:39:16 <V453000> you cant add a limit to the ML 19:39:27 <mks> well if you could :P 19:40:01 <mks> but coop are probarbly better still I found IS to be fun sometimes 19:42:05 <mks> V btw who are allowed to change the map on stable? 19:42:51 <V453000> anybody with rcon? 19:44:10 <mks> how do you change the basecost ? 19:44:16 <Stablean> *** Phillip has left the game (leaving) 19:44:22 <mks> the parameters in game doesn't seem to do it? 19:44:32 <mks> like increase tf and short bridges and so on 19:44:55 <V453000> the parameters in the basecots mod newgrf. 19:45:40 <mks> well I checked the basecost mod 5 and it has no changes? 19:46:05 <mks> ohh sorry can't see them 19:55:00 <Stablean> *** Cameron joined the game 19:58:52 <Stablean> *** Cameron has left the game (leaving) 19:59:28 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Will we get a new map soon? 20:01:03 <Stablean> *** r1kkie has left the game (leaving) 20:01:20 <V453000> leaving in 2 minutes :) 20:05:37 <Ringgeest11> Well I am working on a new map, but that might take hours as it is a first time and need to think about a lot of things ^^ 20:10:55 <Stablean> *** r1kkie joined the game 20:11:34 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Damn my network is overloaded. :P 20:11:52 <Stablean> <Gashernite> Overloaded network = start again :P 20:11:58 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Kind of. 20:12:58 <Stablean> *** Chromati has left the game (leaving) 20:13:02 <Stablean> *** r1kkie has left the game (leaving) 20:13:22 <Stablean> *** Maraxus has left the game (leaving) 20:13:33 *** Maraxus has quit IRC 20:14:29 <Ringgeest11> V; Hahaha xD I loved how you mentioned Dutch stations are too clean :P What do you mean by that? 20:16:51 <V453000> graphical style without any details 20:17:45 <Ringgeest11> Fair enough. They are like that in reallife too really 20:17:57 <Stablean> <Gashernite> lol 20:20:07 <V453000> doesnt mean you need to draw them like this :/ 20:20:24 <Ringgeest11> lol. Well it is hard to think of details that don't excist though 20:20:46 <Ringgeest11> Agree that the NewGRF is fairly boring in terms of stations added. 20:21:08 <V453000> NUTS has everything which does not exist 20:21:11 <V453000> please tell me more :) 20:23:16 <Ringgeest11> I would like to argue there is a difference between remaking Dutch stations as a NewGRF and adding trains in which the name's title inclines it is unrealistic :P 20:23:38 <V453000> there isnt. 20:24:06 <V453000> in fact, the very idea of drawing "realistically" is as dumb as it could get, especially if you are unable to create details even though you have a lot of photos and ideas 20:25:13 <Ringgeest11> Dutch Stations are really bare though :\ 20:25:24 <Ringgeest11> In the village I go to school there is a station 20:25:52 <Ringgeest11> it is very basic. Yet it is probably one of the more asthetically pleasing stations you will find 20:26:11 <V453000> irrelevant, the point of "not enough detail" is not just in "not enough stuff there" but mainly in using not enough colours 20:26:30 <V453000> colours, randomness in shades, ... 20:26:53 <Ringgeest11> Colours are extremely limited IRL too :\ As for the randomness of shades I dont know 20:26:59 <Ringgeest11> I never really used the station set 20:27:23 <V453000> the typical "mistake" most drawers (especially the worse ones) do is that they use e.g. 4 shades out of 8 available 20:27:37 <V453000> which makes their sprites look terribly flat and seemingly without anything to look at 20:28:27 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 20:28:40 <Ringgeest11> Don't go talking bout using 4 shades out of 8 shades to me. To me it means exactly the same as say 20:28:46 <Ringgeest11> lemme think of something good... 20:28:56 <Stablean> <Gashernite> lol 20:28:58 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (processing map took too long) 20:28:58 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 20:29:28 <Ringgeest11> Talking Chinees... 20:29:34 <Stablean> <Gashernite> yay, about 2-30% of my network is done... 20:29:36 <V453000> think about contrast 20:29:39 <Stablean> <Gashernite> 20-30%* 20:29:43 <Ringgeest11> A contrast 20:29:50 <V453000> if you use 4 shades from the middle of the spectrum, it will reduce contrast drastically 20:30:16 <V453000> nothing will look like it has shadow, nothing will look like it has reflections 20:32:02 <Ringgeest11> Well playing a game as OTTD one of my lesser worries is graphics though ;P 20:32:08 <Ringgeest11> But yes I can see why they ar eboring 20:32:18 <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to asd 20:32:20 <Stablean> <asd> s 20:32:26 <Stablean> *** Big Meech joined the game 20:32:28 <Ringgeest11> Aside from being very plain and... well, picked from details in general 20:32:36 <Stablean> <Big Meech> wooooooooooooooooooo 20:33:18 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi big meech 20:33:28 <Stablean> <Big Meech> yooo! 20:33:38 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> how things 20:33:44 <Stablean> <asd> no one 20:33:54 <Stablean> <Big Meech> good! 20:34:28 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> fill free to john big meech 20:34:51 <Stablean> <Big Meech> I did last night for a few :) 20:34:58 <Stablean> <Big Meech> but busy right now :D 20:35:02 <Stablean> <Gashernite> are you I transport? 20:35:13 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok 20:37:23 <Stablean> <Gashernite> KABOOOOM!!!! 20:38:46 <Stablean> <Big Meech> howd those crash xD 20:38:53 <Stablean> *** asd has left the game (leaving) 20:39:10 <Stablean> <Gashernite> I dunno... but I have been having some minor issues with trains crashing for no reason :/ 20:42:16 <Stablean> <Big Meech> nice work yellow 20:42:18 <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D 20:42:30 <Stablean> <Jam35> tf hell 20:42:36 <Stablean> <Jam35> or heaven :) 20:44:36 <Stablean> <V453000> yoo 20:44:36 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 20:48:04 <Stablean> <Jam35> hi btw 20:48:22 <Ringgeest11> Hey V, would a mixed game of Cargo & PAX be interesting for the Welcome Server? I have FIRS planned, but to compensate with the passengers cities are x3 instead of x2. As a payoff the ratio of towns and cities is 1/5 instead of 1/4 20:48:40 <V453000> wtf is a mixed game of cargo and pax 20:48:43 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 20:48:52 <V453000> and no cities above x1 20:49:10 <V453000> x2 max 20:49:12 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (processing map took too long) 20:49:12 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 20:49:48 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 20:49:56 <Ringgeest11> You know, not just cargo focussed, but having passenger transport as a viable option too. 20:50:13 <V453000> anyone can do that in any game 20:50:17 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (processing map took too long) 20:50:17 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 20:51:03 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #6 20:51:14 <Ringgeest11> it is less tempting as it requires a lot of care for the cities to grow properly. 20:51:27 <V453000> viable 20:51:43 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> thanks for all your help jam it looks gtate now 20:51:59 <Ringgeest11> Viable? Elaborate please 20:52:01 <Stablean> <Jam35> yw :) 20:52:04 <V453000> you just need to put a lot of effort into making the cities grow, which is the biggest reason why many people do not do passengers 20:52:58 <Ringgeest11> Exactly, that is my point. If from the start passengers would be a bit more attractive, they might want to use them as a side income instead of blatently ignoring all towns and cities 20:53:43 <Ringgeest11> Now even though the x3 multiplier is not ideal to resolve this, I think it will add another opening option in the early stages of the game and make late-game interesting in keeping PAX and Cargo seperated yet compatible with the network you have set yp 20:54:06 <V453000> it does not change anything, the only thing it does is that lazy people use the towns early, but do not grow them properly 20:54:18 <V453000> the biggest amount effort is needed later, not in the beginning 20:54:55 <Ringgeest11> Yes and no 20:55:16 <Ringgeest11> The thing is that people ignoring passengers and mail full out do not ever consider towns and cities and a source of income 20:55:21 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined spectators 20:55:31 <Ringgeest11> Therefor their network will just go straight past them not leaving room for a potentional station in the future 20:55:34 <V453000> their problem because they are wrong 20:56:24 <Ringgeest11> I know passengers are a great source of income. I build tons of systems utulizing their pocket money as my income 20:56:46 <Ringgeest11> And because those people are wrong, why not try to give them a nudge to experiment with them a little? 20:57:05 <Ringgeest11> True that not all people end up trying to grow their city as they are lazy, 20:57:30 <Ringgeest11> however the people that come to realise the income they bring do want to make the city frow to attain even more 20:59:07 <V453000> ok, go ahead, but with every person joining the server, go tell them to read the rules, and follow them 20:59:26 <V453000> because the only thing you will get is a bunch of overgrown towns for no reason 21:00:40 <Ringgeest11> I will include a set of rules and the aim I had with that map in particular. Everything for a reason right ;) 21:00:50 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:01:19 <Stablean> <Jam35> It's too easy to accumulate a pile of unspendable cash; amount of income doesn't interest some people 21:01:33 <Stablean> <Gashernite> I managed to spend almost 1bln :/ 21:01:47 <Stablean> <Jam35> on pointless tf :P 21:02:09 <Stablean> <Gashernite> I still spent it L:P 21:02:15 <Ringgeest11> DMSM? 21:04:14 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> woo r1kkie have got a tran jam 21:04:28 <Stablean> <Jam35> yeah I see :D 21:04:47 <Stablean> <Jam35> freeze frame island :) 21:05:33 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> and anson have a tran jam 21:07:02 <Jam35> !info 21:07:02 <Stablean> Jam35: http://stable.openttdcoop.org 21:15:52 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined company #11 21:16:41 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined spectators 21:21:52 <Ringgeest11> V; How do you increase the amount of water in maps nowadays? I doesn't show up as a seperate option for me. 21:22:13 <V453000> when generating map 21:22:25 <V453000> I recommend using High, or 50-55% 21:23:12 <Ringgeest11> But the problem is it doesnt show up as an option in my map generation option settings 21:23:24 <V453000> ok 21:24:48 <Ringgeest11> I get the random lakes/puddles of water, but nothing close to resembling an ocean or a sea 21:25:36 <Stablean> <Gashernite> I wouldn't mind massive inland lakes (100+ tiles across), but not oceans that divide land masses 21:26:54 <V453000> because? 21:27:08 <Stablean> <Gashernite> I don't like planes or ships... 21:28:00 <Ringgeest11> Do you know Age of Mythology and its Archipelago settings for a new map? 21:28:14 <Ringgeest11> I have something like that in mind, but lower the ocean level 21:28:14 <V453000> you wont have planes nor ships anyway 21:28:49 <Ringgeest11> so you have different pieces of vast land divided by large bodies of water but still reachable by mountain ridges that comes from the ocean 21:31:58 *** gnemonix has joined #openttdcoop.stable 21:32:48 <Stablean> <Jam35> bb 21:32:50 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has left the game (leaving) 21:32:57 *** Jam35 has quit IRC 21:33:00 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> bb 21:36:43 <Stablean> <Gashernite> well so far my network is making more sense :P 21:38:54 <Ringgeest11> So V... I can understand if I am starting to bother you, but I dont see any option anywhere I can manually increase the amount of water. Also dont see it in the Config file under game creation 21:39:07 <Stablean> *** gnemonix joined the game 21:39:52 <V453000> it is directly in the generate map menu? 21:41:43 <Ringgeest11> Hold on 21:42:13 <Ringgeest11> You mean the new Game menu.. The creation menu that pops up? 21:42:53 <Ringgeest11> if not I do not see such a menu 21:42:53 <V453000> yes 21:43:04 <V453000> what :D 21:43:22 <V453000> how do you ... start a game then ? :D 21:43:24 <Ringgeest11> No I do not see anything that allows to increase the percentage of water on a map in that menu 21:43:58 <V453000> amount of water - custom? 21:44:25 <Ringgeest11> nope... Dont have it 21:45:09 <gnemonix> choose Sea Level = Custom http://i.imgur.com/FFLD2WY.png 21:45:10 <Ringgeest11> Everything that has to do with water are the following options: Sea Level, Rivers and the Map Edges 21:45:23 <V453000> sea level is? 21:45:29 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 21:45:46 <Stablean> <Gashernite> if the sea level is higher than the base level... can you have tunnels going under a lake or sea? 21:45:47 <Ringgeest11> Ah that is where it was hiding 21:45:58 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (processing map took too long) 21:45:58 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 21:46:04 <V453000> oh god it has nothing to do with the height 21:46:14 <Stablean> <Gashernite> oh >.< 21:47:08 <Ringgeest11> Ghehe confusing options are a bitch ^^ 21:47:23 <Stablean> <Gashernite> that would be cool though :P 21:49:27 <Ringgeest11> Kinda yeah :P Though you would need 5 tunnels per Line going under it if the oceans were of decent size XD 21:49:44 <Stablean> <Gashernite> at least 5 tunnels :P 21:50:38 <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to OD 21:54:12 <Stablean> *** OD has left the game (leaving) 21:54:19 <Ringgeest11> If I have a map I am satisfied with, how do I submit it properly? 21:54:41 <V453000> preferably upload it by dropbox 21:54:51 <V453000> but email at V453000@openttdcoop.org works too 21:55:04 <Ringgeest11> just the .sav? 21:55:23 <V453000> yes 21:55:55 <Ringgeest11> Gotcha. have a map you can have a look at. 21:57:57 <Stablean> <Big Meech> hi v453000 21:58:16 <V453000> hy 22:02:35 <V453000> http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2013/06/01/dont-try-this-at-home-prozone-game-2013/ 22:02:55 <V453000> it is here :) 22:03:07 <Ringgeest11> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdmpeurzrlt3emw/Welcome%20Server%20Map%20Ringgeest11.sav 22:03:08 <Webster> Title: Dropbox - Welcome Server Map Ringgeest11.sav (at www.dropbox.com) 22:04:57 <Ringgeest11> Give it a look. I cannot say whether it is bad or good, but I would personally enjoy such a map with those intentions. Ofcourse everyone is entitled to their own opinion and may regard it as either complete junk or something marvelous =) 22:05:21 <Stablean> <Gashernite> no middle ground? :P 22:06:20 <Ringgeest11> Unnecesary. Landmass is enough and TF is not cheap, but not rediculously expensive either 22:06:34 <Ringgeest11> If you need more land the ocean can be raised, but at a serious cost 22:06:44 <Stablean> <Gashernite> I like that 22:07:23 <V453000> I can fix some things, but it would be nice if you generated the map again with at least settings of: 1. FIRS should Always have set parameter to 4 for maximum distance from coast for marine industries (how else you get to them without ships) 22:07:41 <V453000> 2. original roads as default for towns is best, 3x3 is boring and there are other reasons I wont explain atm 22:08:33 <Ringgeest11> Hmm That parameter of the maximum distance should be at 4... Let me check it again. For the towns, what about improved roads? Would that look nice? 22:08:49 <V453000> fishing grounds are in the middle of lakes so cant 22:09:04 <V453000> oh wait it is 22:09:05 <V453000> my bad 22:09:05 <Stablean> <Big Meech> i want to fish with boats dammit! :D 22:09:07 <V453000> sorry 22:09:35 <Ringgeest11> yeah, it was on 4, just checked 22:09:41 <Ringgeest11> no problem, mistakes are normal 22:09:49 <Stablean> <Big Meech> turn fancy boats on :D 22:09:54 <V453000> japanese landscape - JapanSet Landscape is a lot better, it does not use the colourful fields and better roads 22:10:05 <Ringgeest11> Anyway let's see the town settings and toy with those a little too 22:10:21 <Ringgeest11> You dont like the colourful fields? 22:10:37 <V453000> I do, most people dont :) 22:10:45 <V453000> why road costs are at 8x I dont get 22:11:17 <V453000> raise/lower land at x4 is completely insignificant, needs at least x24 or around there 22:11:28 <V453000> x32/64 22:11:49 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 22:11:50 <V453000> water should be more expensive too 22:11:56 <Ringgeest11> You are allowed to build RV's, but by making roads cost x8 and the vehicle limit at 100 it is not something you want to use carelessly 22:12:19 <V453000> no, the vehicle limit is 10 22:12:41 <Stablean> <Gashernite> V: that station at the end of the line O.o IT'S HUGE!!!! 22:12:49 <mks> why increase road cost if you want people to do passengers considering towns shouldn't build roads on their own 22:12:58 <V453000> ^ 22:13:03 <V453000> Gashernite: :) 22:13:04 <Ringgeest11> In the Adv. Settings mine says it is 100? And MKS fair point 22:13:13 <V453000> and I will change it to 10 on the server 22:13:32 <Stablean> <Gashernite> V: some of the stuff you build blows my mind! 22:13:34 <V453000> anyway, I have to say you did exceptionally good job, I like the map. Please just fix those things I mentioned and we are good to go 22:13:39 <Ringgeest11> Ah I see 22:13:42 <V453000> only some of it? :P 22:13:48 <Ringgeest11> lol 22:13:55 <Stablean> <Gashernite> maybe a bit more than just "some" 22:14:09 <Ringgeest11> Thanks V, will get on it and upload the new .sav in a couple of minutes 22:14:14 <Stablean> *** Mks joined the game 22:14:15 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (leaving) 22:15:01 <Stablean> <Gashernite> the maps that Coop Pro's use are made for them aren't they? like designed for insanity and such... 22:16:22 <V453000> and how would you design such a map 22:16:33 <Stablean> <Gashernite> no idea... 22:16:34 <V453000> of course some maps use specific settings, but nothing out of the ordinary 22:16:46 <Stablean> <Gashernite> so they're random maps? O.o 22:17:07 <Ringgeest11> I think all maps we play on are random maps 22:17:11 <Stablean> <Gashernite> I'm refering to the bunch of oil wells in a cluster... 22:17:21 <V453000> funding industries is an option too you know :) 22:17:25 <Stablean> <Gashernite> (from the EOTLS pic) 22:17:55 <Stablean> <Gashernite> I didn't know you guys used that setting, primary industries funded as secondary 22:18:17 <V453000> on public server basically never 22:18:29 <V453000> on pro zone in a better controlled environment, often 22:18:52 <Stablean> <Gashernite> fe 22:19:06 <Stablean> <V453000> quite :) 22:20:18 <Stablean> <Mks> ohh r1kkie got a nice jam 22:20:28 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yep 22:23:10 <Ringgeest11> Here is Version 2. Same seed, yet slightly different layout it seems. Not too bad though to my liking. 22:23:28 <Ringgeest11> Costs have been modified as well as roadlayouts for towns. 22:23:42 <Ringgeest11> Towns are also a lot smaller now due to it. (3k to start with instead of 10) 22:23:43 <Ringgeest11> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujbpdpbs38ts61e/Welcome%20Server%20Map%20Ringgeest11%20V2.sav 22:23:44 <Webster> Title: Dropbox - Welcome Server Map Ringgeest11 V2.sav (at www.dropbox.com) 22:23:58 <mks> still quite big towns if you ask me 22:24:00 <V453000> 3k is a lot already :) 22:24:06 <mks> I kinda of prefer start with smaller ones 22:24:09 <mks> like max 1k 22:24:23 <mks> even smaller might be better 22:25:01 <Stablean> <Gashernite> R1kkie, nice negative operating profit O.o 22:25:17 *** Sylf has quit IRC 22:25:34 <Ringgeest11> Slightly higher population cities was on purpose ;) 22:25:37 <Stablean> <Mks> considering almost all his trains are in a jam its no wonder 22:25:40 <V453000> btw, why shanghai maglev track set when you have the nice japanese tracks for shinkansen 22:25:47 <V453000> would be nice to keep those for a change 22:25:55 <V453000> I can remove those locally 22:26:00 <mks> shinkasen and maglev isn 't really the same thing tho 22:26:16 <V453000> shinkansen runs on maglev tracks. 22:26:17 <V453000> nuff sed 22:26:21 <mks> there is a maglev version of the shinkasen train tho not sure if those tracks are available as newgrf 22:26:38 <V453000> OH FUCK 22:26:39 <Ringgeest11> Tought they would add to eachother. I never used the both of them really and have not played enough yet to really know all the NewGRF's and their posibilities 22:26:53 <V453000> actually the 2.1a japanese train set needs parameters to set to make shinkansens on maglev 22:26:58 <V453000> please find the readme and adjust that 22:27:07 <V453000> it is absolutely necessary otherwise shinksansens are outright useless 22:27:15 <mks> how come? 22:27:23 <mks> its no good on normal rails? 22:27:36 <V453000> power calculation on monorail is a ton slower without adjusting tractive effort and power majorly 22:27:44 <mks> ahh 22:27:49 <V453000> -> shinksansens accelerate beyond terrible on monorail 22:27:58 <V453000> and point is you cant do anything with it as you cant add more engines 22:28:19 <mks> doesn't shinkasen use powered wagons? 22:28:23 <V453000> exactly 22:28:28 <V453000> but that is the same logic 22:28:29 <Ringgeest11> So I need to find the option of the train set to make Shinkansen go on Maglev? 22:28:37 <mks> can you make shinkasen run on normal rails`? 22:28:37 <V453000> you only set length of train, acceleration stays 22:28:41 <V453000> no 22:28:46 <V453000> Ringgeest11: yes 22:29:12 <V453000> I think it is the 1st parameter set to 4, but find the readme and check yourself :) there are more values to check for, like setting the capacity to maximum and loading speed to longest 22:29:35 <V453000> especially if you intend to mix it with NUTS, it is necessary to do that 22:30:49 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined company #11 22:32:53 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined spectators 22:35:54 <Ringgeest11> I found the readme and I think it is Parameter 1 set to 4 22:36:09 <Ringgeest11> I am trying it out now and I get carts for the train, but not the engine 22:36:21 <Ringgeest11> Let me check the other railtypes too to be sure 22:37:26 <V453000> I have about 10 more minutes, then I am off to bed :) 22:37:33 <Ringgeest11> Nope they are all royally fucked 22:37:36 <Ringgeest11> yeah same for me 22:38:09 <Ringgeest11> Hold on I will try toying with the other parameters too for a minute 22:38:21 <Ringgeest11> if I dont figure this out now it will simply have to wait till tomorrow 22:38:37 <Ringgeest11> I dont know how many of you guys will be playing the coming 8-10 hours? 22:38:45 <V453000> Sylf will probably be online soonish, he could load the game for you too 22:39:09 <V453000> and yeah, not much activity will be going on today anymore 22:39:23 <V453000> when you are done and if you have nobody to send the map to, just send me an email 22:39:29 <V453000> I will have a look at it in the morning 22:40:55 <mks> I won't play on it today at least 22:40:58 <Ringgeest11> I dont think I will be able to figure this out though. From the Looks of it, none of the Parameters are messing with trains in general 22:41:26 <V453000> describe the issues in the mail and attach the save :) I will have a look in the morning 22:41:27 <V453000> gnight 22:41:36 <Ringgeest11> Will do, gn 22:41:43 <V453000> and, thanks for your patience and effort. I appreciate it 22:41:48 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 22:42:07 <V453000> now go read the blog, bastards :P 22:42:14 <Stablean> <Gashernite> haha 22:42:15 <Ringgeest11> lol 22:42:31 <Ringgeest11> Anyways, I am off too. cya tomorrow! 22:42:49 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> bb 22:44:07 <Stablean> *** King Peky joined the game 22:44:18 <Stablean> <King Peky> Hello 22:44:33 <V453000> hy 22:44:39 <Stablean> <Gashernite> hi 22:44:50 <Stablean> <Big Meech> yo 22:45:04 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi 22:46:02 <Stablean> <Gashernite> V: how big was that map? 22:48:26 <V453000> see the savegame? 22:48:52 <Stablean> <Gashernite> ahh, yep 22:49:08 <Stablean> <Gashernite> thought that was just a download link, not an info link 22:50:25 <Stablean> *** Kaludjer joined the game 22:50:36 *** Ringgeest11 has quit IRC 22:50:56 <V453000> it is a link, thus it is there for some reason :P 22:50:56 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (general timeout) 22:50:56 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (connection lost) 22:51:08 <V453000> and teeth brushed, pet fed, gnight 22:51:18 <Stablean> *** Kaludjer has left the game (leaving) 22:51:27 <Stablean> <King Peky> GN :) 22:51:31 <Stablean> <Gashernite> g'night 22:51:37 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> gn 22:54:55 <Stablean> *** Mks has left the game (leaving) 22:58:25 <Stablean> *** King Peky has left the game (leaving) 23:03:03 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> gn all have fun i hop i dont mice the new map bb 23:03:13 <Stablean> <Gashernite> okay, g'night 23:03:19 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> have a good night 23:03:25 <Stablean> <Gashernite> morning :P 23:04:35 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (leaving) 23:41:24 <Stablean> *** gnemonix has left the game (leaving) 23:59:48 <Stablean> *** Cameron joined the game