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found a fix for the semaphores 07:06:36 <Frostregen> if you didn't already 07:06:38 <OwenS> Move some bits? :P 07:06:44 <Frostregen> yup 07:06:49 <Frostregen> get/setSignalVariant 07:06:52 <OwenS> Yep 07:06:58 <OwenS> I didn't know if I needed to 07:07:09 <OwenS> Im gonna move them along a couple of bits to leave expansion room 07:07:21 <Frostregen> err, no 07:07:32 <Frostregen> i think just bit 3 was free 07:07:36 <OwenS> Oh 07:07:38 <Frostregen> 4 is used 07:07:43 <Frostregen> so are 5-7 07:07:46 <OwenS> m4 is THAT busy? :O 07:08:03 <Frostregen> docs/landscape.html 07:08:49 <Frostregen> strange 07:08:56 <OwenS> Hmm, 2^3 = 2*2*2, = 8 07:09:02 <Frostregen> landscape_grid states they are free ;) 07:09:04 <OwenS> So we can have 8 signal types 07:09:54 <Frostregen> should be enough at first 07:10:04 <Frostregen> miniin does it the same way 07:10:12 <Frostregen> so maintain it for compatibility ;) 07:11:21 <Frostregen> copy&paste now works with nand signals too 07:11:27 <OwenS> :) 07:11:47 <Frostregen> (after a small fix, because they are nr 5, not 4 as expected) 07:12:28 <OwenS> Yeah, theyre 5 so they don't get mixed with PBS 07:12:51 <OwenS> m4 BITS 0, 1, and 2 are used 07:12:52 <Frostregen> i know 07:12:57 <OwenS> Thats all I can see 07:13:25 <Frostregen> doh... 07:13:33 <OwenS> So I could enlarge it to 4 bits to somewhat future proof it 07:13:35 <Frostregen> misread a line above in landscape.html 07:13:46 <Frostregen> i think this is not needed 07:13:55 <Frostregen> there will be a new signal system anyway 07:14:00 <OwenS> True 07:14:19 <OwenS> Yeah, /me leaves it :) 07:14:27 <Frostregen> good =) 07:14:58 <Frostregen> back to game ;) 07:15:10 <OwenS> Ill release v4 in a moment :) 07:15:26 <Frostregen> what changes? 07:15:33 <OwenS> Semaphores un-broken 07:15:41 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36B16.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:15:45 <OwenS> Hi 07:15:46 <Frostregen> ok, so no need to update for me 07:16:09 <OwenS> Also, higher cascade limit since 10 seems awfully limiting with complex designs 07:17:05 <OwenS> Ive set it to 25 07:17:12 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 07:17:12 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 07:17:17 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 07:17:27 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 07:18:00 <Frostregen> how does the signal setting work? 07:18:15 <OwenS> ? 07:18:23 <Dos> wic of the 12? 07:18:32 <OwenS> Where it decides to jump from 3 to 5? 07:18:37 <Frostregen> no 07:18:44 <Frostregen> if a signal turns red 07:19:01 <OwenS> About it? 07:19:06 <Frostregen> does it walk back the line to change the signals accordingly? 07:19:29 <OwenS> Yeah, it walks along if it's a presignal entry 07:19:41 <Frostregen> ok 07:20:04 <OwenS> Ooh, found a structure member I don't need any more :) 07:21:14 <Frostregen> maybe 10 would be enough if it is recursive 07:21:37 <Frostregen> so if the line cascades, they don't "share" the 10 hops 07:21:41 <OwenS> No, I tired it. 10 gets awfully limiting since it counts every block 07:21:50 <OwenS> Every block it changes counts as +1 07:22:09 <OwenS> I'm going for 20 07:27:25 <Dos> hmmm 07:27:29 <Dos> my server crashed 07:27:36 <Dos> :/ 07:27:38 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host86-238.pool870.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 07:27:46 <Wolf01> hi all 07:27:48 <Dos> wicked , there goes my free day =( 07:27:58 <Frostregen> hi 07:28:00 <Dos> hi Wolf01 07:33:11 <OwenS> Hi 07:33:13 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:34:12 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 07:35:07 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36B16.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 07:35:12 <OwenS> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=470799#470799 <- V4 07:35:13 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36B16.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:35:31 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E9DE.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 07:35:35 <OwenS> It would rock if the OpenTTD Coop Sandbox got NANDs... 07:35:40 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 07:36:00 <Frostregen> i guess this won't happen before they are in trunk 07:36:11 <OwenS> True :( 07:36:13 <Frostregen> and this won't happen ever 07:36:17 <Frostregen> i think 07:36:30 <Wolf01> it would rock if we get the nand loop works without bugs or don't allow to make loops directly 07:39:39 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-208-37.pth-as1.dial.plus.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 07:40:16 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 07:40:18 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 07:42:14 <OwenS> I'm trying a new version which only counts NANDs 07:49:05 <OwenS> It seems to be working :) 07:50:37 <OwenS> The one bit memory cell is massively useful by the way :P 07:53:57 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-211-229.pth-as4.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 07:57:06 <Wolf01> OwenS, as they won't evver add the patch into trunk, why not working on miniIN where the possibility to add it increase a lot? 07:57:17 <Wolf01> *evver -> ever 07:57:46 <OwenS> I'm gonna get v5 out the door, then how about we play a cooperative multiplayer game with it? 07:57:47 <Frostregen> hmm, it should merge with miniin 07:58:02 <OwenS> Since RichK67 says hell add it if we can convince him to :) 08:00:43 <OwenS> Anyone know how I popup one of those red error dialogs? 08:01:18 <OwenS> I wanna say "A signal with location %d x %d has exceeded the NAND cascade limit" 08:01:57 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-254-128.vodafone-net.de] has quit ["muss wech"] 08:02:25 <Frostregen> idk 08:02:47 <OwenS> town_cmd.c should be a good place to look 08:03:43 <OwenS> if (IsLocalPlayer()) ShowErrorMessage(STR_BRIBE_FAILED_2, STR_BRIBE_FAILED, 0, 0); 08:03:43 <OwenS> Hmm 08:06:34 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 08:07:38 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 08:07:54 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E9DE.pool.t-online.hu] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 08:15:25 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E9DE.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 08:20:22 <OwenS> YAY! 08:20:37 <OwenS> [X] Message 08:20:37 <OwenS> One of your nand signals 08:20:37 <OwenS> has overflowed 08:20:51 <Frostregen> :) 08:21:11 <Frostregen> i think missing position is not important 08:21:19 <OwenS> Yeah 08:21:22 <Frostregen> as this will always happen in design phase 08:21:27 <OwenS> Most likely your working on the junction at the point 08:22:31 <OwenS> Are people up for a game of OTTD + NAND online? 08:23:23 <Frostregen> hm, just playing around atm 08:24:11 <OwenS> If we do go for it, 2 questions: Trunk or MiniIN, and Any NewGRFs? 08:24:49 <Frostregen> currently i'm on trunk + nand + modified copypaste 08:24:59 <OwenS> What was it modified for? 08:25:06 <Frostregen> to work with nand 08:26:56 <OwenS> Aah 08:29:29 <OwenS> NandV5 is out 08:31:24 <Wolf01> i'm on miniIN+standard copypaste+nand 08:31:35 <OwenS> Aah 08:31:59 <Wolf01> i think if we all work on the same version is better 08:32:17 <OwenS> We will have to for multiplayer 08:32:24 <OwenS> I have a VPS we can host the game on :) 08:32:25 <Wolf01> as i have to merge the patch by hand for miniNI 08:32:39 <OwenS> Hmm 08:33:00 <OwenS> Id merge the patch into the trunk and send you a source tar/zip 08:33:42 <Wolf01> is sufficient a diff 08:33:47 <Wolf01> not the whole source 08:33:58 <Frostregen> a diff to miniin or trunk? 08:34:01 <OwenS> Well, we may accidnetaly end up on different revisions 08:34:07 <OwenS> We haven't decided yet 08:34:31 <Frostregen> if we use miniin, the copypaste patch would not need any change 08:34:35 <Wolf01> if we work on the latest miniIN we have already PBS and copypaste 08:34:59 <OwenS> The only thing about PBS is that we may end up accidentally placing PBS signals 08:35:07 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:36:00 <Frostregen> hmm...right 08:37:41 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 08:38:05 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:38:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:38:15 <Wolf01> your patch deactivate the PBS placement when cycling signals with ctrl 08:38:28 <Wolf01> instead of PBS it place the NAND 08:38:33 <OwenS> Aah, of course, it would require modificatioon to become PBS compatible 08:38:35 <Frostregen> ah right 08:38:58 <Frostregen> then copy&paste needs a fix 08:38:58 <Wolf01> to place PBS you have to select them from the dropdown list 08:39:27 <OwenS> Mmm, home made jam :) 08:39:35 <[Shaman]> [OwenS]: If we do go for it, 2 questions: Trunk or MiniIN, and Any NewGRFs? <<< Seeing how yer trying to get it in MiniIN it's probably wise to try it with that? 08:39:39 <Bjarni> egladil: people wants to know when the 32 bit engine will work, so do you have an ETA? I mean like this year or next year or something like that 08:40:00 <OwenS> OK, MiniIN. Any newgrfs? 08:40:17 <OwenS> I like #openttdcoop's set personally 08:40:26 <Frostregen> i like brianettas 08:40:41 <roboman> yeah 08:40:56 <OwenS> #openttdcoop's is pretty much Brianettas, without UKRS and with DBSetXL instead :P 08:41:05 <OwenS> UKRS is fine with me if you prefer it 08:41:09 <egladil> Bjarni: unfortunately i don't know. hopefully this year :) 08:41:33 <egladil> i'll try to get back to work on it as soon as i've bought a new computer 08:41:39 <roboman> will the viaducts glitches ever get fixed 08:41:57 <egladil> which will be in about two weeks when i finished work 08:42:23 <roboman> brian needs to update his ukrs 08:42:32 <roboman> theres a public beta out 08:42:44 <Bjarni> btw I wondered about that. Can't you plug in the monitor to the iBook so you got a big screen to work on? 08:42:50 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 08:42:56 <Frostregen> hmm, the memory cell is quite more useful than the rs-latch 08:42:58 <CIA-5> tron * r5597 /trunk/viewport.c: Remove the unused attribute ground_child from struct ViewportDrawer 08:43:33 <OwenS> Hey, whats the URL to Brianetta's nightly page? I forgot 08:43:41 <Frostregen> ppcis.org/nightly 08:44:16 <OwenS> "Catch you later"... 08:44:34 <roboman> it seems to be offline at the moment, the game server 08:44:40 <OwenS> Aah 08:44:40 <OwenS> :( 08:44:45 <OwenS> I wanted to see his set 08:45:25 <roboman> www.openttd.org/servers.php shows it as offline 08:45:46 <roboman> +w 08:45:51 <OwenS> Hmm, if you like Brianetta's set, how about we use #coop's set (See it at http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/sandbox.php) and replace dbsetxl in it with UKRS? 08:46:13 <OwenS> Since I don't know his, and I know Coop's is similar 08:46:37 <OwenS> In fact all I think is changed is DBSet, Remove usstatsw.grf (Causes desyncs) and added Planeset 08:46:56 <roboman> his is hovs ukrs and viaducts with all the stations -aegirs latest 08:47:03 <egladil> Bjarni: yeah, i suppose i could, but theres also the issue of compiling taking some time, not having my favourite ide, and me being lazy and things like that :) 08:47:41 <roboman> get pikkas latest beta aswell from the ukrs thread if you are playing your own server 08:47:46 <OwenS> Hmm, could someone E-Mail me his set and it's [newgrf] section then? My address is owen@humgun.co.uk :) 08:48:00 <Wolf01> ok, get back to work, switch to miniIN and attach the diff in the forum, after that we can talk about the grf for the signal 08:48:02 <Frostregen> its still on the oage? 08:48:08 <Frostregen> page 08:48:32 <OwenS> The Nightly page says "Catch you later" 08:48:44 <Frostregen> huh? 08:49:11 <OwenS> Oh, typo :P 08:49:16 <OwenS> pccis instead of ppcis :P 08:49:56 <OwenS> Ill remove usstatsw.grf from the set since it causes desyncs 08:50:02 <OwenS> Now, to make the build 08:50:25 <Frostregen> ok, *removing usstats* 08:50:50 <roboman> his set is here http://www.ppcis.org/nightly/brianetta-grf.zip 08:51:21 <OwenS> Yeha, i'm checking out MiniIN :P 08:55:59 <OwenS> I'm manually merging now 08:57:29 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:58:30 <Frostregen> could you change the copypaste thingy too? 08:58:39 <OwenS> What do I have to do? 08:59:14 <Frostregen> copy_paste_gui.c line 697 08:59:18 <Frostregen> //Store SignalType 08:59:18 <Frostregen> if (GetSignalType(tile) == SIGTYPE_NCOMBO) 08:59:18 <Frostregen> _copy_signals[bindex] |= (4U << 11); 08:59:18 <Frostregen> else 08:59:18 <Frostregen> _copy_signals[bindex] |= (GetSignalType(tile) << 11); //11- 13: Signaltype (normal, pre, exit, combo, pbs) 09:00:20 <Frostregen> its just a special case to convert SIGTYPE_NCOMBO to the value 4 09:00:38 <OwenS> I'm just merging lang/english.txt now :) 09:01:28 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:01:55 <OwenS> Ooh crap I forgot YAPF 09:02:26 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-211-229.pth-as4.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:05:12 <OwenS> OK, fix YAPF then Copy & Paste GUI 09:07:36 <OwenS> Should I re-enable easy building of PBS? 09:08:26 <Frostregen> no... 09:08:39 <Frostregen> so we cannot accidentially build pbs 09:08:43 <OwenS> I thought not :) 09:09:42 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:09:55 <OwenS> Hmm 09:09:57 <OwenS> openttd: gfxinit.c:367: LoadSpriteTables: Assertion `load_index == SPR_2CCMAP_BASE' failed 09:10:04 <OwenS> I haven't toutched gfxinit.c 09:10:32 <Frostregen> some wrong grf 09:10:51 <OwenS> These are the same GRFs I use normally 09:11:07 <Wolf01> uhm... the max_presig_cascade breaks something 09:11:12 <OwenS> ? 09:11:43 <Frostregen> its the copypaste.grf 09:11:54 <OwenS> Aah of course 09:12:11 <Frostregen> miniin uses the old one 09:12:31 <OwenS> I have copypaste.grf 09:12:53 <Frostregen> did you copy the trunk version? 09:13:07 <OwenS> I just copied it from a miniin install 09:13:08 <Frostregen> you should use the one from miniin checkout 09:13:34 <Frostregen> oh 09:13:39 <Frostregen> RichK67|away 09:13:44 <Frostregen> just added the update 09:13:51 <Frostregen> now you need the new one 09:13:57 <OwenS> Ive overwritten it :( 09:14:03 <OwenS> I know 09:14:13 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-213-156.pth-as6.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 09:14:37 <OwenS> Whats the Mini-IN folder? 09:14:38 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:14:44 <Nickman87> Ho IwenS 09:14:46 <Nickman87> OwenS 09:14:50 <OwenS> Hi 09:15:33 <Nickman87> I see you've made some progresson your patch already? :) 09:15:43 <OwenS> lots :) 09:17:04 <Nickman87> I amlways have to redownload the entire code :p 09:17:45 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 09:17:53 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:18:01 <OwenS> OK, now to redownload the TTD graphics... 09:18:30 <Frostregen> you just have to revert copypaste.grf 09:19:37 <OwenS> GAAAAH! 09:19:39 <OwenS> openttd: gfxinit.c:377: LoadSpriteTables: Assertion `load_index == SPR_TEMPSNOW_BASE' failed. 09:20:52 <OwenS> I rm'ed it and svn uped and it still does that 09:20:54 <OwenS> :'( 09:20:55 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 09:21:33 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3EB9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:22:27 <Frostregen> now its airports.grf 09:22:45 <OwenS> I'm just redownloading the graphics :P 09:23:00 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3FBDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 09:23:00 <OwenS> (Original ones that is) 09:23:01 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 09:23:02 <Nickman87> I get compile errors at this line in code: 09:23:02 <Nickman87> ShowErrorMessage(STR_NAND_CASCADE_2, STR_NAND_CASCADE_1, 0, 0); 09:23:18 <OwenS> The patch didn't update English.txt? :s 09:23:29 <Nickman87> rail_cmd.c line 1726 09:23:35 <Nickman87> I'll check 09:23:45 <Nickman87> yes it did 09:23:52 <OwenS> This is at the bottom of it: 09:23:53 <OwenS> ######## NAND 09:23:53 <OwenS> STR_NAND_CASCADE_1 :One of your NAND signals 09:23:53 <OwenS> STR_NAND_CASCADE_2 :has overflowed. 09:23:53 <OwenS> ? 09:24:18 <Wolf01> http://wolf01.game-host.org/nand_wtf.PNG 09:24:22 <Nickman87> ######## NAND 09:24:22 <Nickman87> STR_NAND_CASCADE_1 :One of your NAND signals 09:24:22 <Nickman87> STR_NAND_CASCADE_2 :has overflowed. 09:24:26 <Nickman87> yep, it is there 09:25:15 <Nickman87> this is what error I get: 09:25:16 <Nickman87> 3>rail_cmd.c 09:25:16 <Nickman87> 3>g:\games\transport tycoon deluxe\compile map\rail_cmd.c(1726) : error C2220: warning treated as error - no 'object' file generated 09:25:16 <Nickman87> 3>g:\games\transport tycoon deluxe\compile map\rail_cmd.c(1726) : warning C4013: 'ShowErrorMessage' undefined; assuming extern returning int 09:25:33 <OwenS> "warning treated as error" 09:25:34 <OwenS> Hmm 09:25:39 <Nickman87> yeah :s 09:25:53 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 09:25:54 <OwenS> Find out where thats set and disable it... 09:26:10 <OwenS> I should have added an #include to the top of the file but I forgot what file to include 09:26:18 <Nickman87> what you mean, where thats set? 09:26:20 <OwenS> How did GCC let me get away with it? :o 09:26:23 <OwenS> In the project properties 09:27:42 <Nickman87> what should I search for? 09:27:45 <OwenS> Yay I got it working :P 09:27:54 <OwenS> Treat warnings as errors or something 09:27:58 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has left #openttd [] 09:28:18 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:28:22 <OwenS> Hang on, no 09:28:30 <OwenS> Add #include "gui.h" to the file's include block 09:28:53 <Wolf01> OwenS, what about the screenshot? 09:28:59 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:29:11 <Nickman87> I think he mean a grafical error 09:29:20 *** Angst [n=Angst@p5494654B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:29:28 <OwenS> Can traind drive through the presignal entry? 09:30:08 <Wolf01> i don't know 09:30:25 <OwenS> Actually, what you are seeing may be what I describe as the signal engine having a fit, since it doesn't expect NAND's output... 09:30:25 <Nickman87> Owens, now it compiles ;) 09:30:52 <Wolf01> the entrance presignals seem working reversed 09:31:19 <OwenS> As I said, it seems to be the signal engine having a heart attack... 09:31:40 <Nickman87> haha :D 09:31:42 <Wolf01> i'll try increasing the presignal cascade 09:32:01 <OwenS> Which version are you using? 09:32:44 <Wolf01> with 20 gave that error, with 50 works 09:32:58 <Wolf01> so is the presignal cascandig 09:33:02 <Wolf01> *cascading 09:33:02 <OwenS> You must be using an old version 09:33:07 <OwenS> In new versions it's NAND cascade :P 09:33:09 <Wolf01> yes, is an old version 09:33:28 <Nickman87> ;) 09:33:31 <OwenS> Firstly, download Brianetta's set 09:33:40 <OwenS> BTW, could someone send me to the UKRS topic? 09:33:46 <OwenS> Or wherever the beta is 09:34:47 <Wolf01> try grfcrawler 09:36:50 <OwenS> I can only find v 2.3, which I presume hes using 09:36:55 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@71.98.70.28] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 09:36:57 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@pool-71-98-70-28.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 09:37:01 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 09:37:02 <roboman> hes using that 09:37:26 <roboman> but for persoal use you can use the one in the thread 09:37:28 <roboman> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=23205&start=260 09:38:32 <roboman> brianetta can you add aegirs new city stations to your nightlies config aswell as the new ukrs beta 09:39:08 <Brianetta> roboman: Nope 09:39:14 <roboman> ok 09:39:22 <roboman> is that to both 09:39:29 <roboman> or just the ukrs beta 09:39:40 <Brianetta> I'll update UKRS when it's out of beta 09:39:41 <roboman> and i mean for the next game 09:39:46 <roboman> ok 09:40:04 <Brianetta> I'll include Aegir's station when I'm nott he only person legally entitled to do whart I want with it. 09:40:14 <Brianetta> (aside from Aegir) 09:40:20 <roboman> ok 09:40:45 <OwenS> I think I have everything setup :) 09:40:51 <roboman> you might have to wait for ottd to play more newgrf cathup for the new ukrs to work 09:40:55 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["in /dev/null no one can hear you scream"] 09:41:06 <OwenS> Im sticking with 2.3 :P 09:41:17 <roboman> it will feature wagon retirement 09:41:48 <OwenS> Oh, how do I build the Linux Dedictaed Server version? 09:42:03 <Brianetta> OwenS: Set the variable DEDICATED 09:42:08 <OwenS> Aah 09:42:26 <OwenS> DEDICATED=true make? 09:42:27 <Brianetta> DEDICATED="Brianetta rocks so hard" make 09:42:31 <OwenS> lol 09:42:37 <OwenS> DEDICATED="No thanks =P" make 09:42:54 <Brianetta> I ususally set it to 1 09:43:00 <Brianetta> it's quicker to type 09:43:01 <OwenS> GCC is too forgiving 09:43:11 <Brianetta> Too forgiving? 09:43:15 <Brianetta> It's a #ifdef 09:43:16 <OwenS> I forgot to include gui.h and it let me get away with calling ShowErrorMessage 09:43:19 <Brianetta> if it's defined 09:43:23 <Brianetta> the content is irrelevant 09:43:33 <OwenS> I forgot to include gui.h and it let me get away with calling ShowErrorMessage I was refering to 09:43:39 <Brianetta> ShowErrorMessage must be declared elsewhere too 09:43:52 <OwenS> VC++ didn't find it for Nickman 09:44:03 <Brianetta> Different stdlibs@ 09:44:05 <Brianetta> ? 09:44:14 <OwenS> ShowErrorMessage is a OTTD function 09:44:44 <OwenS> My presumably dedicated build just threw up a GUI 09:45:57 <Nickman87> VC++ is a bit dumb I think ;) 09:45:58 <Nickman87> :D 09:46:06 <OwenS> lol 09:46:15 <Nickman87> I'll just bughunt for you in it OwenS ;) :D 09:46:27 <OwenS> lol 09:46:35 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:47:14 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387ED5F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:51:31 <OwenS> OK, ill kick the source tarball and dedicated tarball over to my server :) 09:52:46 <Wolf01> for (i = 0; i < max_nand_cascade; i++) { <- have you reverted this? 09:53:25 <OwenS> Yeah 09:53:29 <OwenS> Why? 09:54:15 <OwenS> A source TBZ2 is 24 megs?! :O 09:54:20 <Wolf01> nothing, i didn't found it in the diff 09:54:42 <OwenS> I'm uploading my merged version now 09:54:55 <OwenS> Unfortionately, Nautillus thinks it's gonna take 40 minuites... 09:54:55 <Brianetta> If that source is form an SVN tree it might have the source duplicated in .svn */.svn */*/.svn etc 09:55:06 <Brianetta> s/form/from/ 09:55:09 <OwenS> Duh Owen... 09:55:14 <OwenS> How do you automatically remove them? 09:55:23 <Wolf01> i must go now, see you later 09:55:33 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolfolo|AWAY 09:55:33 <Wolfolo|AWAY> Sono away:[ eating ] lasciate pure un messaggio in segreteria 09:55:48 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01|AFK 09:58:04 <OwenS> Is there any way to automatically remove the .svn folders? 09:59:19 <Bjarni> rm -fr .svn 09:59:37 <Bjarni> and if you want to do it automatically, you can type that in a script 10:00:09 <Bjarni> also you can use the "export" instead of the "checkout" command in svn to skip creating it in the first place 10:00:33 <Bjarni> but I recommend that you keep it, at least on any source that you work on yourself ;) 10:00:50 <Bjarni> you can't use commands like svn up if it is missing 10:01:03 <Bjarni> or svn diff 10:01:45 <OwenS> The subfolders still contain them :( 10:02:16 <Bjarni> then use the export command, but why do you want to get rid of it? 10:02:28 <OwenS> I'm packing a tarball 10:02:37 <OwenS> To send to my VPS 10:02:54 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-213-156.pth-as6.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:02:55 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:03:00 <Nickman87> I made your load balancer OwenS, I'm gonna make a little movie of it ;) 10:03:07 <OwenS> :) 10:03:14 <Bjarni> then "svn export svn://svn.openttd...." and then patch the result with whatever patch you like and you will not have the .svn dirs 10:03:28 <Bjarni> that's the way to make tarballs 10:03:43 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [n=johekr@p54B76C09.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:03:58 <Bjarni> even though I don't get why would you need to make a tarball 10:04:10 <OwenS> My VPS isn't a fast compiler ;) 10:04:34 <Bjarni> then why not just send a binary? 10:04:43 <OwenS> Thats all you need? 10:05:00 <OwenS> I'm too used to projects with tonnes of .so files... 10:05:10 <Bjarni> you need a binary, the lng files in lang and the data dir 10:05:14 *** Lord_damnit [n=trick77@cable-dynamic-87-245-83-24.shinternet.ch] has joined #openttd 10:05:34 <Bjarni> you don't need to send the source if you precompiled it 10:06:18 <Bjarni> tip: make you that you are making a release build (debug is NOT set) when you target slow computers 10:06:33 <OwenS> It wasn't set :) 10:06:41 <OwenS> I just did make DEDICATED=1 10:07:50 <Bjarni> the settings in Makefile.config will overwrite your arguments 10:08:05 <OwenS> Aah, and they define debug? 10:08:19 <Bjarni> be aware of that. You can only write something like that when you don't have a Makefile.config yet 10:08:27 <Bjarni> edit Makefile.config to set the flags you want 10:09:25 <OwenS> DEBUG:= is unset and DEDICATED:= is unset :) 10:09:59 <OwenS> OK, NandV5 MiniIN diff: http://www.tt-forums.net/download.php?id=52468 10:11:11 *** Lord_damnit is now known as Lord_damnit[AFK] 10:11:34 <OwenS> Oh, question: 10:11:56 <OwenS> Why is there a Linux binary for every single nighltly, but you lack one for 0.4.7? 10:15:25 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-216-47.pth-as9.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 10:17:31 *** Eddi|zuHause4 [n=johekr@p54B773B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:20:33 <OwenS> OK, now to make a local interactive version and test the server :) 10:21:03 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B77496.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:24:38 <Nickman87> you gonna make a server? :D 10:24:44 <OwenS> Yep 10:24:49 <Nickman87> sweet 10:24:50 <OwenS> Does the server pause when nobody is connected? 10:24:53 <Nickman87> I'll join in ;) 10:24:57 <OwenS> :) 10:25:26 <OwenS> Get the MiniIN source, apply http://www.tt-forums.net/download.php?id=52468 to it, and then download the cfg/newgrf bundle i'm about to upload 10:26:59 <OwenS> Doing it? 10:29:50 <Nickman87> second ;) 10:29:59 <Nickman87> latets MiniIn 10:30:15 <OwenS> SVN Checkout it 10:30:20 <Nickman87> k ;) 10:30:29 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:31:24 <Nickman87> is it svn://svn.openttd.org/branch/MiniIN ? 10:31:39 <OwenS> branches 10:32:11 <Nickman87> aha! 10:32:14 <Nickman87> succes! :p 10:34:20 <OwenS> Compiled it yet? :) 10:35:26 <Frostregen> ready 10:35:32 <OwenS> OK 10:35:40 <OwenS> H/O a sec 10:35:45 <Nickman87> working on it 10:35:48 <Frostregen> i have to go now anyway 10:35:59 <OwenS> :( 10:36:13 <Frostregen> leave a link to the cfg/grf used here 10:36:18 <OwenS> download http://res1.humgun.com/ncgrfs.tbz2 and extract it to your mew OTTD folder 10:36:19 <Frostregen> ill join later 10:36:30 <Nickman87> compiling 10:36:32 <Frostregen> not found 10:36:36 <OwenS> The server is gnxax.us.humgun.com, msg me for the password 10:36:42 <OwenS> http://res1.humgun.com/ttdnand/ncgrfs.tbz2 10:38:16 <Frostregen> firefox tries to display it 10:38:18 <Frostregen> sigh 10:38:23 <OwenS> :( 10:38:24 <OwenS> wget? :P 10:38:31 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B75FA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:39:02 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [n=johekr@p54B76C09.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:39:12 <Frostregen> works ;) 10:39:16 <OwenS> :) 10:39:25 <Frostregen> funny using this on win ;) 10:39:28 <OwenS> Server is down ATM 10:39:33 <OwenS> I'm installing Autopilot :P 10:40:40 <Nickman87> :) 10:41:03 <Nickman87> you forgot "#include "gui.h"" again in your patch ;) 10:41:50 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 10:42:00 <OwenS> Heh 10:42:34 <Nickman87> k, I've got it compile dand ready to strat, but I'm gonne go eat somthing first, see you in an half an hour or so ;) 10:42:35 <Nickman87> bye 10:42:58 <OwenS> OK 10:43:09 *** Lord_damnit[AFK] is now known as Lord_damnit 10:47:05 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:49:51 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 10:50:07 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openTTD 10:57:07 *** Eddi|zuHause4 [n=johekr@p54B773B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:01:52 <Lord_damnit> anyone who's familiar with TTD's internals (aircraft movent states) around? 11:06:13 <Lord_damnit> hehe, when it comes to aircraft movement states, it always, like, ALWAYS gets mute all over the place... :D 11:08:57 * OwenS waits for *** AUTOPILOT ENGAGED *** message... 11:10:28 <Nickman87> hi OwenS I'm back 11:10:42 <OwenS> I'm trying to get Autopilot to work... 11:10:45 <Nickman87> ;) 11:12:57 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:13:49 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 11:14:23 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 11:14:36 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-216-47.pth-as9.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:14:54 <OwenS> It seems to be having trouble conecting to freenode 11:14:58 <OwenS> Maybe i'm impatient 11:15:20 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-209-123.pth-as2.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 11:17:30 <Dos> lol 11:17:36 <Dos> Dial p 56 k >_< 11:19:11 <Nickman87> :d 11:21:27 <OwenS> Hey, Nickman, servers ready :) 11:21:50 <OwenS> Nickman87: (For the highlight :P) 11:22:47 <Nickman87> aha ;) 11:23:05 <OwenS> Join gnxax.us.humgun.com, company 1, msg me for the passwd 11:23:05 <Nickman87> I still need the newgrfs :p 11:23:07 <Nickman87> sec ;) 11:28:35 <Dos> what are you guys going to test? 11:28:59 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 11:37:49 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:41:54 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:42:36 <Frostregen> we test the NAND signals 11:43:28 *** OwenS [n=OwenS@cpc1-stkn6-0-0-cust801.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:44:46 *** OwenS [n=OwenS@cpc1-stkn6-0-0-cust801.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:44:53 <OwenS> Hmm, Metacity (Gnome window manager) crashed 11:45:51 <RichK67|away> Lord_damnit: or we give the answer "dont know" because we dont work with the old TT states at all :) 11:46:01 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 11:46:26 *** RichK67|away is now known as RichK67 11:46:48 <Lord_damnit> :) 11:49:30 <OwenS> Forst: I'm just about to restart the server :) 11:50:47 <Frostregen> ok 11:50:50 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E9DE.pool.t-online.hu] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 11:52:25 <OwenS> Yeah, wrong .sav 11:54:10 <OwenS> Definitely got it this time :) 11:57:11 <Dos> Frostregen what does NAND do? 11:59:25 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387ED5F.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:00:12 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 12:00:48 <Wolf01> OwenS, any miniIN diff? i broken something and i have to revert :( 12:03:39 <OwenS> Yep there is 12:03:59 <OwenS> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26364 12:04:01 <OwenS> Bottom diff 12:04:16 <OwenS> Add it to latest MiniIN, compile it, download our GRF set and join us =) 12:06:39 <OwenS> ... 12:08:36 <Wolf01> the grf is from Brianetta's package? 12:08:36 *** roboboy [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:08:36 <Brianetta> I have a package? 12:08:36 <Brianetta> Oh, the nightly one 12:08:36 <Wolf01> the grf pack 12:08:38 <OwenS> No, it's slightly modified 12:08:48 <OwenS> Mainly, remove usstatsw.grf since it's a desync causer 12:08:51 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@pool-71-98-70-28.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 12:08:53 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@pool-71-98-70-28.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:08:55 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 12:09:02 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:09:29 <Brianetta> Since when did it cause desyncs? 12:09:31 <OwenS> http://res1.humgun.com/ttdnand/ncgrfs.tbz2 12:09:45 <OwenS> When it was removed from the sandbox we could actually play it 12:09:53 <OwenS> Instead of disconnecting every 3 secconds 12:09:55 <OwenS> Ask Mucht 12:10:09 <Brianetta> Much t misunderstood 12:10:18 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:10:18 <Brianetta> The desyncs were caused by a YAPF bug 12:10:24 <Brianetta> Nothing else 12:10:26 <OwenS> YAPF was disabled 12:10:28 <Brianetta> Ask Brianetta 12:10:28 <Mucht> No 12:10:33 <Mucht> YAPF was disabled 12:10:41 <Mucht> it was the day after, Brianetta 12:10:46 <Brianetta> So it was some other grf, because my nightly has no such problem 12:11:16 <OwenS> One preson on IRC yesterday commented that people said they had had problems with it on your nightly 12:11:29 <Brianetta> Third hand info 12:11:34 <Brianetta> All the players have my email 12:11:36 <Wolf01> i have to put the grfs in the cfg or the game load the signals directly? 12:11:38 <Brianetta> Nobody mentioned it 12:11:46 <OwenS> The package contains the cfg :) 12:12:14 <OwenS> Server is gnxax.us.humgun.com, join the first company 12:12:55 <Wolf01> uhm i have only Brianetta's one, link me your package please :P 12:13:02 <OwenS> http://res1.humgun.com/ttdnand/ncgrfs.tbz2 12:15:27 *** muddypaws [n=publunch@81-174-211-147.pth-as4.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 12:15:35 <OwenS> Got them? :) 12:16:09 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-209-123.pth-as2.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:17:00 <Wolf01> uhm, i'm not able to dl it 12:17:05 <OwenS> Why? 12:17:08 <Wolf01> firefox open it and hang 12:19:47 <OwenS> ``Aah 12:19:58 <OwenS> Hmm, have you got anything like wget? 12:20:52 <Wolf01> i resolved, i made ad html file with that link and did "save as" :D 12:20:55 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:21:42 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 12:23:38 <OwenS> Cats, cats, cats... 12:23:52 <OwenS> One of ours jumped out of an upstairs window 12:25:48 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:27:55 <Wolf01> mmm i get always the error message 12:27:58 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 12:28:05 <OwenS> What error message? 12:28:23 <Wolf01> but the entrance presignal is still buggy like the screenshot i linked this morning 12:28:40 <Wolf01> "one of nand presignals overflowed" 12:28:45 <OwenS> Aah 12:28:59 <OwenS> I think that has something to do with the signal engine not expecting a NAND's behaviour 12:29:06 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 12:30:40 <OwenS> = 12:30:56 <OwenS> Gonna join us in multiplayer 12:30:56 <OwenS> ? 12:31:54 <Wolf01> i think i'm not able to do it, i'm laggy 12:32:30 <OwenS> Oh :( 12:33:38 <Wolf01> mmm the nand is buggy than before 12:34:44 <Wolf01> now the nand memory cells don't work totally 12:34:52 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:38:26 <Wolf01> a cascade of 10 is too little 12:38:51 <OwenS> 10 Nand signals? :O 12:39:30 <Wolf01> i'm trying to make a 4 bits counter 12:39:57 <OwenS> Oh 12:40:20 <OwenS> Im gonna eventually make it a configurable patch 12:43:16 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:43:38 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 12:43:55 <Wolf01> leave the define from variables.h and add it in settings.c/settings_gui.c 12:44:16 <OwenS> Actually it should be a variable in the Patches struct 12:46:28 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:53:56 <OwenS> Frostregen: Did you just get disconnected? 12:54:24 <Frostregen> seems so 12:54:52 <Frostregen> server offline? 12:54:58 <OwenS> It doesn't claim to be 12:55:38 <Frostregen> i can't see it 12:58:23 <Frostregen> hmm, bbl 13:01:59 <OwenS> Wolf01: Is everything working well now? 13:02:40 <Wolf01> no, i'm adding the configure patch support 13:02:44 <Wolf01> to tune it ingame 13:02:49 <OwenS> Cool 13:05:47 <Wolf01> uhm, RichK67, something broke the daylength patch 13:05:54 <Wolf01> SDT_CONDBOOL(Patches, daylength_affect_economy, 35, 35, NS, 0, false, STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_DAY_LENGTH_ECONOMY, NULL), 13:05:54 <Wolf01> SDT_CONDBOOL(Patches, daylength_affect_economy, 36, SL_MAX_VERSION, 0, 0, false, STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_DAY_LENGTH_ECONOMY, NULL), 13:06:13 <Wolf01> what is the correct one? 13:07:07 *** Frostregen_ [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-145-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:13:44 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 13:15:37 *** fishNchips [n=publunch@81-174-213-155.pth-as6.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 13:15:58 <RichK67> both are 13:16:30 <RichK67> the first is for savegames with version 35, the second for savegames after version 36 13:16:36 *** muddypaws [n=publunch@81-174-211-147.pth-as4.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 13:17:30 <RichK67> note version 35 has "NS" as its save instruction, and version 36+ has "0" 13:17:43 <RichK67> trust me ;) 13:18:27 <Wolf01> ok, now i understand 13:18:59 <RichK67> it now saves the daylength settings in the savegame; before it only saved them for network games 13:20:30 <Wolf01> settings.c:1265:145: macro "SDT_CONDVAR" requires 12 arguments, but only 11 given 13:20:31 <Wolf01> SDT_CONDVAR(Patches, max_nand_cascade, SLE_UINT8, 36, SL_MAX_VERSION, NS,0 10,10,100, STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_SIG_MAX_NAND_CASCADE, NULL), 13:20:31 <Wolf01> where is the mistake @_@ 13:20:31 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 13:20:32 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 13:21:32 <RichK67> try around here....... NS,0 10, 13:21:46 <Wolf01> oooops 13:21:49 <RichK67> :) 13:21:52 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E98B.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:22:26 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E98B.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Client Quit] 13:22:27 <Wolf01> i deleted the , instead of the space 13:22:44 <RichK67> :) 13:24:10 <Wolf01> OwenSSSSSssss..... the bugfix doesn't work! 13:24:15 *** Frostregen [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-161-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:24:45 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 13:25:13 <OwenS> What bugfix? 13:25:28 <Wolf01> if(ssd->nand_count < _patches.max_nand_cascade) { 13:25:54 <Wolf01> i can put max_nand_cascade at 100 and it still says that overflows 13:26:14 <Frostregen> if its a loop, it will do this always 13:26:39 <Wolf01> here is the patch 13:26:51 <Wolf01> ehm, wait some seconds 13:27:21 <Wolf01> http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/nand_miniIN_configurable.diff 13:27:48 <OwenS> add a printf("Max cascade is %d\n", _patches.max_nand_cascade); to the if block and tell me what it says 13:28:47 <Wolf01> i have to run the game in debug mode? 13:28:53 <OwenS> Nope 13:28:57 <OwenS> Oh wait 13:29:01 <OwenS> Windows doesn't have a console... 13:29:16 <Wolf01> :) 13:29:31 <OwenS> Hmm, do the signals your using somehow form a loop? 13:29:35 <Frostregen> or use debug(""); 13:30:37 <Wolf01> yes, they form a loop, but is a flip flop JK 13:30:52 <OwenS> If tehy form a loop they will always overflow 13:30:54 <Wolf01> it has to work without problems 13:31:24 <OwenS> If you want it to work you will need to develop a "shunter" 13:32:21 <Wolf01> http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/FFJK.PNG 13:32:59 <OwenS> What do J and K do? 13:33:49 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-204-083.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:34:00 <Wolf01> J=1,K=0 -> set; J=0,K=1 -> reset; J=K=1 -> invert state 13:34:08 <OwenS> Anyway, if you need a loop, you will need to make a shunter 13:35:34 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-49-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 13:36:59 <Wolf01> loops of even numbers of signals don't have to be treated as overflow, only odd numbers 13:37:22 *** Lord_damnit [n=trick77@cable-dynamic-87-245-83-24.shinternet.ch] has quit [] 13:37:35 <OwenS> No, because if you put 2 in a loop it still overflows 13:37:41 <OwenS> hangs, sorry 13:39:42 <Wolf01> are you sure? it hangs only with 1,3,5,7... signals in a loop for me 13:41:14 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:41:29 <Wolf01> that because s=!s, if is s=!!s has to work 13:41:34 <OwenS> Aah yes, your point I see 13:41:43 <OwenS> But I don't know how many signals 13:41:49 <OwenS> Just how many ive passed 13:42:02 <OwenS> How many different signals that is 13:43:41 <OwenS> As I said, I don't know how many different signals ive passed 13:44:25 <Wolf01> we need a different way to treat this bug 13:44:45 <OwenS> If OpenTTD were a C++ app I would know how 13:44:50 <OwenS> Unfortionately, it's a C app 13:44:58 <OwenS> I don't know how to make associative arrays in C 13:45:00 <Wolf01> yapf is cpp 13:45:10 <OwenS> Yes, bu not any of the .c files 13:45:17 <OwenS> Which are compiled by the C compiler... 13:53:13 <Wolf01> try to build the FF-J/K and test it 13:53:56 <Wolf01> if you make the S line red it don't say anymore that there is an overflow 13:54:03 <Wolf01> but the loop is not changed 13:55:08 <Wolf01> works for all the 4 input lines 13:55:30 <Wolf01> if you put one of them red the loop doesn't overflow 13:56:06 <OwenS> Thinking about it, if the signals are in a loop but not changing it doesn't matter any more 13:56:10 <OwenS> It stops following them 13:56:26 <OwenS> It only matters if it happens during one pathfinder pass 13:57:01 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 14:00:30 <Wolf01> i found why don't work 14:00:48 <Wolf01> the loop use the pathfinding 14:00:48 <OwenS> Why? 14:00:58 <Wolf01> to test the overflow 14:01:07 <OwenS> And? 14:01:20 <OwenS> It only does the pathfinding follower if a presignal changes 14:01:32 <Wolf01> i put a piece of track in a loop that didn't make overflows and it started to make overflows 14:02:10 <Wolf01> that piece of track is not linked, is a dead end 14:03:13 <OwenS> It only uses the path finder to find all signals in the next block 14:06:37 <Wolf01> see here: http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/nand_wtf2.PNG 14:09:01 <OwenS> Hmmm 14:09:14 <OwenS> It would seemt to me to be a signal engine issue 14:10:01 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B84C80.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:12:07 <Zavior> Could that 90 turn be the problem? 14:12:21 <Wolf01> <\ this doesn't make a loop , <> tis yes 14:12:28 <Wolf01> *this 14:12:37 <OwenS> OpenTTD doesn't appear to propperly isolate presignal blocsk 14:12:53 <OwenS> It's a bug which wouldn't normally be noticed since it doesn't effect presignal behaviour 14:14:28 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACBC5BBD.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 14:16:43 *** muddypaws [n=publunch@81-174-214-58.pth-as7.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 14:16:44 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 14:17:33 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-15292.otenet.gr] has joined #openttd 14:18:45 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B8474E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:19:21 *** fishNchips [n=publunch@81-174-213-155.pth-as6.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:23:41 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-230-2.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:30:32 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-49-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:31:44 <Sacro> surely his sig must be blocked :| http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26373 14:32:26 <Born_Acorn> It's like that famous episode of Pokemon in Japan that gave thousands of kids seizures! 14:32:50 <Noldo> Born_Acorn: hm? 14:32:57 <Zavior> The flashing eyes! 14:33:19 <Born_Acorn> I read about it on t'pedia 14:33:39 <Born_Acorn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banned_episodes_of_Pok%C3%A9mon#Computer_Soldier_Porygon 14:34:12 <Born_Acorn> I was reading about banned TV programs and wondered why an innocent Children's program could possibly be banned. 14:34:20 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-49-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:35:14 <Sacro> have you never seen any of them? 14:35:30 <Sacro> afaik, there was guns, flashing lights, cross dressing 14:44:58 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:45:46 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 14:45:46 *** roboboy [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:51:17 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 14:53:22 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-142-244.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 14:54:50 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [n=johekr@p54B75FA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:55:13 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@ip503c308c.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 15:02:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> Born_Acorn: i believe a simpsons episode referred to that incident 15:05:19 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["http://iThought.dk/"] 15:06:10 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 15:06:37 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-49-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:07:02 <Born_Acorn> Eddi|zuHause2, yes, I realised that. The one where they have the "Super flashing seizure robots" program on the TV. 15:07:22 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 15:13:02 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 15:14:59 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:15:27 *** Artea_ [i=xtreme@bl7-209-89.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:16:09 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-49-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:16:50 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:17:10 *** fishNchips [n=publunch@81-174-208-19.pth-as1.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 15:18:20 *** muddypaws [n=publunch@81-174-214-58.pth-as7.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:18:25 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B75FA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:18:56 <CIA-5> rubidium * r5598 /branches/TGP/tgp_gui.c: [TGP] -Fix: snowline's combobox disabled_state should depend on the landscape selection in the 'Landscape generation' window and not the main menu window 15:20:24 *** Eddi|zuHause3 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 15:22:39 <Born_Acorn> Has nobody seen this yet? Its jsut that it is falling down the page. :( http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26371 15:23:46 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-49-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Au reviour!"] 15:25:48 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387DE73.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:27:59 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-49-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:30:23 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E98B.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 15:30:30 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E98B.pool.t-online.hu] has left #openttd [] 15:38:51 *** Artea_ [i=xtreme@bl7-220-75.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #OpenTTD 15:53:22 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has left #openttd [] 15:57:12 <OwenS> Wolf01: You there? 15:57:23 <Wolf01> yes 15:57:28 <OwenS> Aah 15:57:39 <OwenS> Created any other wierd wacky and wonderful inventions? :P 15:58:00 <Wolf01> no, played most wanted 15:58:19 <OwenS> Oh 15:58:44 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 15:58:48 <OwenS> I don't see what use a flip flop is in game BTW... 15:59:05 <Eddi|zuHause> a flipflop is a memory cell 15:59:14 <OwenS> We already have one 15:59:20 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:59:24 <Wolf01> make a 4 bit binary counter and count how many trains pass through a station 15:59:33 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 15:59:39 <OwenS> I wouldn't have thought that needed a flipflop? :) 15:59:53 <Wolf01> a counter is made of flip flops 15:59:55 *** Trippledence__ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 16:00:06 <Eddi|zuHause> 4 flipflops easily are connected to a 4-bit counter 16:00:12 <OwenS> Aah 16:00:35 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B84C80.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd ["icebears... take care of them!"] 16:00:41 <Eddi|zuHause> n bit asynchronous counter, just use the output of flipflop i as clock input for flipflop i+1 16:01:11 <OwenS> Aaaah 16:01:56 <Eddi|zuHause> synchronous counter is slightly more complicated 16:02:42 <Eddi|zuHause> synchronous == all flipflops use the same clock input 16:03:00 <Eddi|zuHause> so you have to use a transition logic that adds +1 to the memory value 16:03:14 <Wolf01> OwenS, what about rewrite the presignal checking? 16:03:20 <OwenS> As in? 16:03:39 <OwenS> And now wre turning this into OpenCTD :P 16:03:47 <Wolf01> :) 16:04:30 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:04:32 <OwenS> I'm gonna develop a Shunter 16:05:11 <Sacro> crash to desktop? 16:05:16 <OwenS> No 16:05:28 <OwenS> So you can chain to gates together past the set limit 16:12:45 <OwenS> OK, my shunter is done :) 16:15:09 <Eddi|zuHause> what exactly is a shunter? 16:15:12 *** UnderBuilder [i=UnderBui@168.226.106.153] has joined #openttd 16:15:43 <OwenS> When the input goes red, it lets a train into a segment as to turn the output red, and vise versa 16:15:49 <OwenS> Best used with a maglev ;-) 16:15:54 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:16:10 <OwenS> It "shunts" the value accross 16:16:15 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:16:34 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, like a reinforcement 16:17:01 *** fishNchips [n=publunch@81-174-208-19.pth-as1.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:17:21 <OwenS> I suppose it's circuit equivilent would be a relay 16:17:37 *** fishNchips [n=publunch@81-174-210-86.pth-as3.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 16:18:58 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 16:20:13 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 16:20:43 <OwenS> I wonder if it would be possible to recreate TVM signalling in OpenTTD? 16:20:44 <OwenS> :P 16:23:19 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 16:27:08 <OwenS> http://www.tt-forums.net/files/relay_153.png 16:27:08 <OwenS> Relay picture 16:30:53 <UnderBuilder> hmmm.... a way going to nowhere? :| 16:31:00 <OwenS> ? 16:31:22 <OwenS> It's related to the NAND patch, see http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26364 16:31:37 <OwenS> Oh, if you mean the 404, I accidentally posted in the wrong topic 16:32:25 <OwenS> http://www.tt-forums.net/files/relay_124.png 16:32:27 <OwenS> There 16:32:53 <UnderBuilder> I know, but the thing is that the way ends in a maglev tracks and the trains will get stuck 16:33:09 <OwenS> Trains dont go down it 16:33:15 <OwenS> You use it to trigger other presignals 16:33:41 <OwenS> You use it when you hit the NAND recursion limit 16:33:44 <Wolf01> wtf is that tunnel for? you need a little bridge 16:34:02 <OwenS> I could have used a bridge 16:34:11 <OwenS> OpenTTDCoop has conditioned me into using tunnels 16:36:34 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-230-2.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:37:46 <OwenS> Does OpenTTD have an associative array implementation? 16:43:52 *** yanek [i=yanek@atlantis.mitranet.cz] has quit ["leaving"] 16:45:27 *** Junyor [n=roynuj@c-68-55-240-42.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:46:21 *** yanek [i=yanek@atlantis.mitranet.cz] has joined #openttd 16:46:25 <Junyor> do y'all do support here? 16:46:47 <Tron> OwenS: no 16:47:06 *** Trippledence__ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:48:09 <Junyor> I just upgraded from 0.4.0.1 to 0.4.8-RC1 and the oil refineries have stopped producing goods. I see that this issue was reported (http://bugs.openttd.org/task/125) for 0.4.7 and Fixed, but I'd expect the fix to be in 0.4.8-RC1. 16:48:44 <Tron> it will never be fixed in 0.4.8-RC1, because this has already been released 16:48:58 <Tron> a release stays exactly the same forever 16:49:08 <glx> Junyor: it wasn't in 0.4.7 anyway 16:49:19 <Tron> and it wasn't fixed in 0.4.7, the problem didn't exist back then 16:49:25 <glx> so use 0.4.7 for now 16:49:36 <Junyor> ok. But it will be fixed in 0.4.8? 16:49:49 <Tron> of course, therefore it was marked as fixed 16:50:34 <Junyor> cool. Any ETA on 0.4.8-RC2? 16:50:37 <Tron> .oO( and still people claim there are no dumb questions ) 16:52:02 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 16:53:33 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 17:03:30 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:17:15 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 17:17:24 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 17:17:45 <CIA-5> tron * r5599 /trunk/vehicle.c: GetPrevVehicleInChain() may never fail to find a valid vehicle. Reflect this in the code 17:18:10 *** muddypaws [n=publunch@81-174-212-92.pth-as5.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 17:19:18 *** fishNchips [n=publunch@81-174-210-86.pth-as3.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:21:46 *** Junyor [n=roynuj@c-68-55-240-42.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 17:21:53 *** UnderBuilder [i=UnderBui@168.226.106.153] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC has never been so good"] 17:22:55 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 17:23:35 <OwenS> Hye, would any you know if OpenTTD has a built in associative array implementation? 17:24:23 <OwenS> s/Hye/Hey 17:29:53 <OwenS> ? 17:34:52 *** Angst [n=Angst@p5494654B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["kaerwa"] 17:39:14 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387DE73.versanet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 17:46:33 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.188.9] has joined #openttd 17:49:11 <peter1138> OwenS: what part of '17:46 < Tron> OwenS: no' did you not understand? 17:49:17 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 17:49:17 <Sacro> !logs 17:49:21 <Sacro> what'd i miss? 17:49:47 <peter1138> cheese 17:50:00 <OwenS> Oh, I didn't see rhat 17:50:02 <OwenS> that** 17:51:12 *** valhallasw [n=valhalla@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:52:21 <OwenS> I need a way to mark signals as having been passed by the signaling engine 17:54:12 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.188.9] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:54:21 <OwenS> Any ideas? 17:54:58 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.188.9] has joined #openttd 17:55:06 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 17:55:06 <Sacro> !logs 17:55:12 * Sacro tries again 17:59:46 <guru3> oy vey 17:59:57 <guru3> put on a meta refresh 18:00:00 <guru3> and you could watch irc 18:01:11 <Sacro> guru3: yes, ive used it before to spy on a channel 18:02:02 <guru3> lol 18:03:24 <mikk36[EST]> another... fun render :) 18:03:25 <mikk36[EST]> http://pildid.mikk36.pri.ee/renders/apu_set/9.png 18:03:28 *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mikk36 18:03:51 <OwenS> I find it a shame nobody knows how I would mark a signal as already passed by the engine :-( 18:05:29 *** Dos [n=dossy@cwoerlee.demon.nl] has quit ["bye :)"] 18:06:40 <guru3> mikk36: what's with all the giant feet? 18:06:57 <mikk36> building the apu :) 18:07:00 <mikk36> http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/apu/rv_img/article_rv_adam_06_01.jpg 18:07:56 <guru3> ok i guess >< 18:08:37 <mikk36> lol.. let's make it a disaster in ottd :P 18:08:47 <OwenS> lol 18:08:52 <Zavior> Heh 18:09:02 <mikk36> just a random idea :D 18:09:07 <OwenS> Yay. I just developed a really compact perfect balancer 18:09:07 <Zavior> 10 apu's rushing to biggest town and gunning down everything 18:09:43 <mikk36> yay @ Zavior :D 18:09:50 <OwenS> lol 18:10:06 <OwenS> NAND signals rock ^^ 18:10:08 <eQualizer> What are those things which can be build with railway singal tool + ctrl? 18:10:14 <OwenS> Pre signals 18:11:38 <eQualizer> No 18:11:46 <eQualizer> The other ones. 18:11:48 <OwenS> PBS 18:11:51 <eQualizer> No 18:12:01 <OwenS> Semaphores! 18:12:01 <RichK67> semaphores? 18:12:19 <eQualizer> Semawhat+ 18:12:21 <eQualizer> ? 18:12:32 <OwenS> Semaphores... 18:13:07 <eQualizer> What I do with them? 18:13:15 <OwenS> They behave like light signals 18:13:22 <OwenS> Theyre just what was used IRL before them 18:13:59 <eQualizer> So they are the same thign, except different look? 18:14:03 <OwenS> Yeah 18:15:06 <eQualizer> Okay, thx. 18:19:27 *** muddypaws [n=publunch@81-174-212-92.pth-as5.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:22:41 *** muddypaws [n=publunch@81-174-213-201.pth-as6.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:43 <mikk36> ahh those ones with signes rotating up and down ? 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19:17:05 <blathijs> autopilot? 19:22:39 *** muddypaws [n=publunch@81-174-213-201.pth-as6.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:27:39 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-241-253.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 19:31:44 <Zavior> heh :=) 19:33:24 <stavrosg> what is autopilot ? 19:35:12 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@64-252-107-14.adsl.snet.net] has joined #openttd 19:36:28 <Brianetta> autopilot is a tcl script that attends the dedicated server console 19:36:52 <blathijs> ah 19:36:58 <blathijs> by doing what? 19:40:04 <Brianetta> by running openttd -D 19:40:08 <Brianetta> and reading the output 19:40:10 <Brianetta> and typing in commands 19:40:17 <Brianetta> same as a person (: 19:40:39 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:40:55 <Brianetta> You must all have been under a rock (: 19:41:07 <Brianetta> the #openttdcoop sandbox uses autopilot 19:41:14 <Brianetta> it provides a bridge to IRC 19:41:17 <Brianetta> pause on no clients 19:41:21 <Brianetta> other featurez 19:41:23 <Brianetta> (: 19:44:23 <Tron> peter1138: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/237 <--- this one is for you, i guess. any idea for a sensible solution? 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20:21:49 <OwenS> IPTables, I disabled it to check 20:21:52 <Brianetta> Freenode port-scans you. Firewalls slow this process down, and Freenode blocks the connection for ages 20:21:54 <OwenS> Oh wait 20:21:57 <OwenS> I forgot 20:22:05 <OwenS> My DC blocks IRC :P 20:22:13 <hylje> yay 20:22:19 <Brianetta> Oh, that'll do it, too (: 20:22:22 <OwenS> :) 20:22:33 <OwenS> I wondered why I could ping it but not connect via IRC 20:22:37 <OwenS> Stupid Gnax... 20:22:47 <Brianetta> OwenS: For a sneak peek at the new one join #nightly 20:23:04 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-241-253.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:24:36 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 20:25:01 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:26:45 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:30:46 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:37:33 <Wolf01> 'night all 20:37:37 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host86-238.pool870.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 20:37:59 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 20:39:48 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2FAE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:40:33 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:42:48 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E8A8.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:45:09 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E9CF.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:53:44 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-49-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:56:58 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.188.9] has joined #openttd 21:00:08 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2C92F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:00:08 *** dp is now known as dp-- 21:01:08 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:01:56 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 21:04:57 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176123013.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:05:12 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 21:05:18 *** _Red is now known as Red 21:15:54 *** per [n=per@190.80-202-17.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:16:18 <per> "openttd: gfx.c:136: GfxFillRect: Assertion `right > 0' failed." 21:16:29 <per> got it with the last snapshot. is this a known bug? 21:17:50 <Sacro> hmm, i know that one from somewhere... 21:18:53 <Sacro> dont think its a missing grf file 21:20:48 <Eddi|zuHause> there once was trouble with a grf that did not have a proper preview image for the purchase train window 21:21:26 <Eddi|zuHause> per: you could give a little more information (and possibly post that at bugs.openttd.org) 21:21:39 <per> i'll see if i can reproduce it 21:21:40 <Eddi|zuHause> (or read up if it is already there) 21:23:40 <per> is there anything extra i need to do to a steel mill to make it produce steel, other than ore? 21:24:30 <Tron> don't use 0.4.8-RC1 21:25:47 <gradator> current svn is ok, 0.4.8-RC1 is humm.... unplayable :p 21:25:59 <per> oops 21:26:35 <per> will 0.4.8-RC1 savegames work with latest svn? 21:28:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 21:29:46 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 21:31:19 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387CEF7.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:32:09 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-15292.otenet.gr] has quit ["O.O"] 21:34:46 * Sacro gets shot down by yet another girl :( 21:37:31 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387CEF7.versanet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 21:37:44 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-142-244.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 21:43:01 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:46:01 *** ems [n=e@unaffiliated/ems] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:46:32 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 21:49:53 *** morbidi [n=morbidi@84.90.73.153] has joined #openttd 21:49:55 <morbidi> hello 21:51:15 <morbidi> can I sell the whole company ? 21:51:46 <morbidi> when playing multiplayer mode ? 22:02:40 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@64-252-107-14.adsl.snet.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:05:12 <Eddi|zuHause> there is a console command where a server can clear a company 22:05:21 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 22:06:30 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 22:06:41 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.188.9] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:09:12 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 22:09:43 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-152-49.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:10:17 *** BurningFeetMan [n=BurningF@CPE-203-51-109-69.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:10:57 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:17:02 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:17:15 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:19:12 <per> you can't build aircraft at a small airport? 22:19:41 <per> the build aircraft button is grayed out for all aircraft... :( 22:21:46 <per> i can't build aircraft on bigger airports either. what am i doing wrong? 22:22:05 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 22:22:14 <Sacro> no aircraft available to build? 22:22:22 <per> three available to build, apparently 22:22:48 <per> coleman, dart and bakewell 22:23:27 <morbidi> hello 22:23:29 <morbidi> can I sell the whole company ? 22:23:30 <morbidi> when playing multiplayer mode ? 22:23:37 <per> i even signed up for an exclusive for a new bakewell now, and i still can't build it ;) 22:23:57 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 22:24:06 <per> is this a bug or a newbie problem? 22:24:34 <BurningFeetMan> Airport with no planes? Can't fight city hall, eh Pal. 22:25:11 <Sacro> per: not sure, what version, newgrfs, year etc? 22:25:26 <per> i'm using the latest svn 22:25:37 <per> 1958 22:25:52 <per> newgrfs? 22:27:08 <glx> from where did you open the build aircraft window? 22:27:25 <Sacro> glx: an excellent point :) 22:27:28 <glx> aircraft list or hangar window? 22:27:51 <per> glx: i tried both 22:29:46 <glx> works from hangar (with r5600) 22:30:49 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@ip503c308c.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 22:31:13 *** Osai^zZz [n=Osai@p54B36B16.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:31:30 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36B16.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:32:14 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 22:35:10 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:36:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd blame tron ;) 22:37:34 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-152-49.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:38:03 <Eddi|zuHause> you should never be able to buy aircraft from the aircraft list window 22:38:07 <Eddi|zuHause> only when you click on a hangar 22:38:28 <glx> it's already like that 22:38:37 <Eddi|zuHause> yes... 22:40:13 <Eddi|zuHause> it works here with r5588-MiniIN 22:40:13 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:40:25 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:40:25 <Eddi|zuHause> so it must be something on your end... 22:41:21 <Eddi|zuHause> fun... that one crashes when you click it from the vehicle list :p 22:41:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess that fix wasn't synced yet 22:43:08 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-152-49.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:43:19 <per> ahh 22:43:25 <per> it -is- a newbie problem 22:43:34 <per> i didn't click on the hangar 22:43:55 <Sacro> PEBCAK :D 22:45:49 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 22:47:40 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the K supposed to mean there? 22:50:38 <Sacro> keyboard 22:53:58 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-152-49.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Client Quit] 22:57:18 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.248.98] has joined #openttd 23:02:05 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36B16.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:12:54 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has left #openttd [] 23:14:08 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC725C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:20:56 *** moebius_ [n=moebius@213.60.238.240] has joined #openttd 23:22:05 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 23:24:28 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:45:49 *** moebius_ [n=moebius@213.60.238.240] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:47:01 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]