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01:54:05 <Gonozal_VIII> no 01:54:16 <Gonozal_VIII> no thoughts 02:02:21 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 02:15:57 <glx> DaleStan: should be doable 02:17:45 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-10-222.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:23:42 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 02:26:00 *** keyweed_ [~Dennis@home.keyweed.com] has joined #openttd 02:33:03 *** keyweed [~Dennis@home.keyweed.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:39:06 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N736P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:41:43 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 03:14:24 *** Worf_ [~worf@84.119.67.68] has quit [] 03:38:10 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-074-164-201.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:40:01 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-088-074-141-156.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:45:13 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5D978.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:45:13 *** phoenix24_ [~gopi_daii@59.178.116.70] has joined #openttd 03:49:24 *** phoenix24_ [~gopi_daii@59.178.116.70] has left #openttd [] 04:00:23 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 04:07:53 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:14:30 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:17:23 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 04:29:01 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.178.28] has joined #openttd 04:30:50 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@p549F1F71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:32:36 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-29-175.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:35:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.172.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:35:51 *** Jortuny [~octernion@d113.mertza.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:38:03 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1F07.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:38:03 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 04:59:22 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-29-175.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:35:39 <ln> gd mrnng! 05:39:25 *** Gekz [~brendan@213.219.148.207.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #openttd 05:41:15 <Rubidium> oo oi! 05:49:47 *** Trond [~nope@ti131310a080-8931.bb.online.no] has quit [] 06:01:33 *** Trond [~nope@ti131310a080-8931.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 06:14:23 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c122-108-33-134.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:43:28 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1F71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 06:51:16 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 07:01:09 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499D11C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:03:12 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:12:17 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499D11C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 07:21:05 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 07:37:38 <Trond> Anyone noticed this one: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1867 07:41:00 <Patrick`> it's just a picture, there'[s nothing we can do (right?) 07:42:00 <Trond> what you mean? I azume its a bug, and now its reported. Just wondered if anyone had experienced the same thing... 07:43:36 <ln> you *azume*? 07:44:02 <Gekz> ln: Ja 07:44:08 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:44:44 <Trond> yeah, since I have a few patches installed on this game, I couldnt know if its caused by one of those, right? 07:45:14 <Trond> and in that case it isnt a OTTD bug 07:45:34 <Trond> kindoff :D 07:52:42 <Patrick`> yeah, try to reproduce it, then try to reproduce it without any patches or GRFs 07:54:52 <Trond> I just did... and it didnt show up like that in 0.6.0.beta5, so I guess its one of the patches that bugs things up... 08:01:15 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B65D43.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 08:05:12 <peter1138> Verily. 08:05:42 <Gekz> peter1138: do you still love me 08:06:23 <peter1138> Of course not. 08:06:43 <Gekz> So that steamy night meant nothhing to you 08:08:42 <peter1138> Sure it did, but that wasn't you... 08:17:00 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55D20.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:21:10 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-10-222.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 08:23:12 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 08:26:02 *** xerxes [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 08:26:27 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:30:46 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 08:33:01 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:33:01 *** xerxes is now known as shodan 08:34:17 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.139] has joined #openttd 08:51:15 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Archipiélago Hermoso - OpenTTD Scenarios (Zomg, too lazy to link but it really is awesome, look it up)] 08:53:04 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:57:56 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-29-175.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:03:01 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-177.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:09:48 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:18:18 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-207-35-169.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:18:51 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-29-175.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:28:49 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:47:59 <Celestar> back 09:48:00 <Celestar> morning 09:48:05 <keyweed_> good morning 09:49:16 <Maedhros> morning Celestar 09:49:23 <Celestar> what's new? 09:49:51 <keyweed_> the american economy is crashing 09:50:22 <Celestar> it has been for the past 6 months, hasn't it? 09:50:31 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-73-85.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 09:51:19 <keyweed_> yes. new is relative. 09:53:53 <Celestar> whoa 09:54:00 <Celestar> smatz fixed 1841? 09:54:04 <Celestar> @bugs 09:54:04 <DorpsGek> Celestar: Error: The command "bugs" is available in the OpenTTD and WT2 plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "bugs". 09:54:07 <Celestar> :S 09:54:10 <Celestar> @openttd bugs 09:54:12 <DorpsGek> Celestar: Open Bugs: 19; Not assigned: 13; Closed this week: 16; Opened this week: 10 09:55:01 <Celestar> (_fractcoords_enter[dir] >> 4) <= didn't we decide to do divisions properly? ;) 09:57:43 <Maedhros> ooh, only 3 of the 6 assigned bugs are Bjarni's ;) 09:58:42 <Celestar> lol 10:02:46 <Celestar> what is everyone's idea on the patch for 1793? 10:12:43 <Noldo> Celestar: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1149 10:13:36 * Celestar disagrees with Truelight on this one. 10:13:46 <Celestar> what's peter1138'S opinion on this? 10:15:45 <Noldo> well my motivation was to get away with not impletenting >> operator for the overflowsafe type template 10:16:11 <Celestar> divisions should be done by the / operator, not the >> operator imho 10:21:21 <Noldo> >> does make reading more difficult 10:21:39 <blathijs> There was some functional difference between / and >> IIRC 10:21:39 * Maedhros agrees with Celestar 10:21:51 <blathijs> At least for signed values, but also for unsigned I think 10:22:16 <Celestar> if we're accessing a bitfield, >> should be used. Thus we can clarify whether we're trying to access bits or actually do a division 10:26:12 <blathijs> Hmm, I seem to remember wrong, gcc spits out the same code for >> and / using unsigned int and -O2 10:27:55 <Noldo> truelight does have a point with the possible performance issue 10:28:12 <Celestar> blathijs: I afaik gcc spits out the same code for >> and / for any ints and -O0 10:29:20 <Celestar> unsigned int, sorry 10:30:14 <blathijs> The code is subtly different without -O (which is -O0 I think?) 10:30:33 <blathijs> ie, shrl vs shr and some difference in the use of registers and stack etc. 10:30:58 <blathijs> and the unsigned part is critical in that statement, yes :-) 10:34:01 <blathijs> Celestar: I've read 1793, now writing a comment 10:35:40 *** anhedral is now known as dih 10:36:17 *** dih is now known as anhedral 10:37:18 <Celestar> blathijs: ok 10:43:25 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:44:56 <blathijs> Hmm, firefox threw away my comment... Bugger 10:47:23 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-29-175.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:50:16 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:52:45 <Celestar> lol 10:52:51 <Celestar> after Apollo 13: 10:53:01 <Celestar> Aerospace Corporation, the builder of the LM, issued an invoice [13] for 2,421.24 to North American Rockwell, the builder of the CM module, for "towing" the crippled ship most of the way to the Moon and back. 10:53:10 <Celestar> North American politely declined payment, citing that they had ferried Grumman LM's to the Moon on two previous occasions with no such reciprocal charges. 10:53:21 <Celestar> :P 10:54:04 <keyweed_> let's keep our kapitalism planet side please 10:54:20 <Celestar> well. neither side regarded this as entirely serious. 10:54:28 <Celestar> there was no payment and no lawsuit :P 10:54:30 <keyweed_> we don't want to end up like the ferengi 10:54:44 <Celestar> I think the Ferengi are better than we are. 10:54:56 <Noldo> who we? 10:55:02 <keyweed_> in a country where lawyers think you should warn your customers not to dry their dog in the microwave there is little room for humor. 10:55:07 <Celestar> At least that have an open, clear and universal code of conduct. 10:55:24 <Celestar> Noldo: we == terrans 10:55:38 <Celestar> keyweed_: it wasn't like that in the 60s I think. 10:56:09 <keyweed_> Celestar: erh ..good point, and erh.. i don't know. 10:56:15 <Celestar> The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? 10:56:31 <keyweed_> when exactly did the american justice system go haywire? it started out pretty okay. 10:56:54 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:57:07 <Celestar> keyweed_: I think it happened once people discovered they could make a shitload by acting stupid. 10:57:16 <pavel1269> hi 10:57:38 <Celestar> keyweed_: honestly, if I were to discover that I could earn half a million bucks by spilling hot coffee over my pants, I'd probably do it. 10:57:43 <keyweed_> so, people figured out they could aquire money which they have no right to by making a fool out of themselves.... 10:57:50 <Celestar> keyweed_: yeah. 10:58:03 <keyweed_> i wonder how exactly that will effect 'survival of the fittest' 10:58:20 <Celestar> not at all. 10:58:46 <keyweed_> if the 'fittest' is the person who is able to win the most frivolous lawsuites, things might get interesting in a couple of hundred generations 10:59:05 <Noldo> those people are just leaches 10:59:09 <Celestar> nah it won't, because there won't be a couple of hundred generations left. 10:59:20 <keyweed_> Noldo: i agree, but they have the law on their side 10:59:26 <keyweed_> well, occasionally at least 10:59:35 <Noldo> they have their ecological niche only when their host is in somehwt good health 10:59:50 <Celestar> Noldo: good point. 11:00:01 <keyweed_> noldo is right 11:00:02 <Celestar> talking about leaches .. what's gotten into the Chinese? :S 11:00:14 <keyweed_> power, wealth, olympics 11:00:21 <Noldo> who are they leaching? 11:00:39 <keyweed_> occupying is propably the better term 11:00:53 <Celestar> yeah. according to a German newpaper (serious, well-regarded), Tibetian cavalry (!!!) has taken a Chinese town :P 11:01:05 <keyweed_> whaat? 11:01:47 <Celestar> keyweed_: do you know this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYmTEmUYj_8 ? 11:02:05 <keyweed_> Celestar: can't see youtube from here :/ 11:02:12 <Celestar> keyweed_: remember that link! 11:02:26 <Celestar> but that clip is for everyone here. 11:02:40 <keyweed_> Celestar: stored in database 11:02:49 <Celestar> keyweed_: ok :) 11:07:12 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N801P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 11:07:31 <peter1138> Hmm, I missed some controversty! 11:07:32 <peter1138> -t 11:07:40 <Celestar> peter1138: you missed a youtube link :P 11:07:51 <peter1138> Yes, we should use / where division is meant, and >> where shifting is meant. 11:08:12 <Celestar> peter1138: agree. Passed? :P 11:08:35 <peter1138> Also, direct & 0x0F? :o 11:08:43 <Noldo> is there anyway to address the possible proformance problem truebrain was worried about? 11:08:48 <Noldo> *per 11:09:12 <Celestar> Noldo: there IS no performance problem. If someone decides by not dividing by a power of two, they MIGHT have a reason for doing so. 11:09:23 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:44 <peter1138> _fractcoords should be changed. 11:10:07 <Celestar> yeah. I have done so in custombridgeheads. We could backport the change. 11:10:08 <peter1138> In this case, neither / or >> is meant 11:10:22 <Noldo> \o/ lot's of clean up patches to do 11:11:08 <Celestar> we might want to backport some change of custombridgeheads (= 11:11:56 * keyweed_ dreams of playing openttd 11:11:59 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/style.diff 11:12:17 <Celestar> peter1138: I quite agree to that diff (= 11:12:20 <peter1138> Well 11:12:32 <peter1138> Also the v->x_pos & 0x0F should be done 11:12:44 <Celestar> why are we casting anyway? 11:12:59 <peter1138> Because they're uints, probably. 11:13:01 *** TheJosh [~josh@d220-238-222-167.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:13:05 <TheJosh> hey all 11:13:11 <Celestar> hey TheJosh 11:13:25 <Celestar> peter1138: methinks we shouldn't cast a lot in C++ but ok (= 11:13:35 <peter1138> Well... 11:14:31 <peter1138> Sometimes it's needed. 11:15:07 <Celestar> ay 11:18:51 <Celestar> hm .. custrombridgeheads is *slightly* out of date :( 11:19:18 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B65D43.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:23:34 *** Worf_ [~worf@84.119.67.68] has joined #openttd 11:23:51 *** Worf_ is now known as Volley 11:27:12 <TheJosh> Celestar: hey 11:27:17 <Celestar> heyo 11:27:29 <TheJosh> whats happening? 11:27:33 <Celestar> not much. 11:27:37 <Celestar> going to Berlin today 11:27:40 <Celestar> or rather: flying 11:27:41 <TheJosh> long weekend! 11:27:49 <Celestar> kind of, yeah 11:27:52 <TheJosh> 4 days off! (swwt) 11:27:54 <Celestar> but returning Saturday already 11:27:58 <TheJosh> (sweet) 11:28:08 <SpComb> Assembly Winter 2008 is this weekend 11:28:16 <TheJosh> Im going to price sometime tomorrow (friday) 11:28:37 <Celestar> it's just snowing here, so I hope the flight's not delayed 11:28:41 <TheJosh> where is price i hear you say... 11:28:48 <TheJosh> ive seen snow twice in my life 11:29:00 <Celestar> where do you live? 11:29:30 <TheJosh> Mount Barker, Adelaide Hills, South Australia 11:30:10 <TheJosh> and we just had the longest heatwave in australian history...16 days of hotter than 35 degrees celcius 11:30:38 <TheJosh> you? europe? 11:30:39 <Celestar> can I move in? 11:30:44 <Celestar> yeah Germany, Munich 11:30:47 <Gonozal_VIII> there's snow outside... snow! 11:30:48 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78852.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 11:30:55 <Gonozal_VIII> stupid snow 11:31:10 <SpComb> the snow here is melting today 11:31:33 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78852.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [] 11:31:40 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't think it's melting anytime soon here 11:31:43 <Celestar> snow sucks 11:31:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DEC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:31:57 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78852.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 11:33:17 <Gonozal_VIII> there's snow in munich? that's strange 11:33:26 <Gonozal_VIII> in the city? 11:33:38 <Celestar> Gonozal_VIII: 15km north of the city. It'S snowing. 11:35:30 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.hallstatt.net/webcam/action/view/webcamId/25/ 11:35:40 <Ammler> we have nice snow here too :-) 11:36:03 <Gonozal_VIII> nice? 11:36:08 <Gonozal_VIII> you can have ours too... 11:36:37 <Ammler> well, its really needed from dec to feb 11:37:05 <Noldo> http://lame.lut.fi/lutcam/ 11:37:29 <Gonozal_VIII> if people want to go skiing so badly, there's always the glacier... 11:38:30 <Ammler> galcier are shrinking :-) 11:38:58 <Celestar> SKiing 11:39:52 <Gonozal_VIII> on the huge german mountains^^ 11:40:52 <Ammler> lol 11:41:07 <Gonozal_VIII> "aber hÀtten wa berge, dann wÀrn se höher!" 11:41:12 <Celestar> skiing sucks 11:41:21 *** TheJosh [~josh@d220-238-222-167.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:33 <Ammler> skiing is most fun sport 11:41:45 <Gonozal_VIII> nah 11:42:19 <Ammler> well, austrians don't know, how it goes, but... ;-) 11:42:25 <Gonozal_VIII> snoring is the most fun sport 11:43:30 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 11:45:17 * Celestar tries to find his way through Berlin's public transportation system 11:45:46 <Gonozal_VIII> why would you want to go to berlin? 11:46:05 <Celestar> I've got a World-Ranking competition tomorrow 11:46:17 <Gonozal_VIII> in what? 11:46:21 <Celestar> Ballroom dancing 11:46:27 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^^^^ 11:47:55 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-29-175.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:48:00 <Celestar> :P 11:48:16 <Celestar> man. 11:48:43 <Gonozal_VIII> seriously? 11:48:50 <Celestar> yes 11:49:23 <Celestar> I've got to get from a Point A (in Berlin) to a Point B in (Berlin). Both points are separated by 10km. There's no way to do this in less than one hour by public transport. This sucks 11:49:56 <Gonozal_VIII> >1h for 10km, berlin sucks^^ 11:50:12 <Celestar> I know that Berlin sucks ;) 11:50:23 <Celestar> been there, don't like it. 11:50:29 <Gonozal_VIII> but with that it sucks even more ;-) 11:50:54 <Celestar> plus they have a homosexual communistic mayor :P 11:52:16 <Gonozal_VIII> rebuild the wall... but instead of through berlin, build it around 11:53:30 <Noldo> Celestar: really? 11:55:34 <Celestar> yes 11:59:18 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5D978.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:59:34 <keyweed_> so, berlin sucks, but they have a good mayor? 12:00:28 <Gonozal_VIII> you prefer gay communists over other people keyweed? 12:00:37 <Celestar> well, at least he managed to get every business out of town, so that Berlin has an unemployment rate of 20%. 12:00:46 <keyweed_> Gonozal_VIII: not all other, but a lot other 12:01:43 <keyweed_> capitalism: evil intent, evil result. communism: good intent, evil result. 12:02:13 <Celestar> I don't think the intent of capitalism is evil. 12:02:16 <Celestar> it's realistic 12:02:29 <Gonozal_VIII> reality is evil :-) 12:04:01 <Noldo> keyweed_: what do you mean by capitalism? 12:05:03 <keyweed_> Noldo: pretty much the dictionary meaning 12:05:45 <keyweed_> Celestar: it isn't working, people are starving in the streets it the world wealthiest nation 12:05:51 <keyweed_> *in the world 12:06:55 <Noldo> so you are against private ownership? 12:07:19 <keyweed_> pretty much irrelevant. people think they own stuff. they actually don't 12:07:36 <Noldo> well that is the dictionary meaning 12:08:01 <keyweed_> it's one of the aspects, but to keep it simple, no, i don't beleive in private ownership. 12:08:28 <keyweed_> i don't think at exists, no matter how hard you try to define it by law 12:09:01 <Gonozal_VIII> if everybody had the intention of improving other peoples lifes, everybody would be happy 12:09:17 <Celestar> keyweed_: of course it isn't, but it's still working better than anything else we have tried up to now 12:09:23 <Celestar> gotta go for a sec 12:09:31 <Noldo> in what way is socialism better in this aspect? 12:09:32 <keyweed_> Celestar: unfortunatly, you're right. 12:10:13 <keyweed_> and so the lucky few do nothing and own more then some nations while others work hard and wither away in poverty 12:10:55 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c122-108-33-134.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:11:04 <Noldo> how does socialism stop that from happening? 12:11:13 <peter1138> Pom te pom 12:11:55 <keyweed_> Noldo: in theory, by helping to poor upwards, limiting the wealth of the absurdly rich and control the distribution of wealth, labour and resources. 12:12:08 <keyweed_> in practice, it doesn't 12:12:34 <keyweed_> because a human with power takes what he wants without caring about anyone else 12:13:20 <Celestar> you cannot strengethen the weak by weakening the strong. that's what I think 12:13:29 <keyweed_> capitalism was designed by people who were already rich, socialism designed by those who had nothing. 12:14:08 <Noldo> designed? 12:14:43 <keyweed_> good point. captilasim evolved and was formalised. socialis was purposely designed. 12:15:41 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:16:22 <Volley> can't help thinking of the phrase "defective by design" here :) 12:16:31 * keyweed_ shurgs 12:16:32 *** lolman [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:16:36 <keyweed_> it's all defective 12:17:11 <keyweed_> but i've grown quite adapt at crushing the weak, so capitalism keeps me alive. 12:17:23 <keyweed_> *adept 12:19:24 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-207-35-169.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 12:19:30 <Noldo> I don't quite understand why private ownership automatically leads to crushing the weak 12:20:15 <keyweed_> if we understould that we'd be a step closer to a solution. 12:20:47 <keyweed_> but i'm not the person to ask that. since i don't really beleive anyone owns anything 12:21:18 <Volley> my pc is mine! don't you dare to question that! :) 12:21:56 <keyweed_> well, you might think that, do you run windows? 12:22:36 <Volley> lol ... good point :) 12:22:47 <Volley> (tough i'm not running it at the moment) 12:23:13 <keyweed_> actually, economicly it's better to sell 'the right to use' then the ownership, companies are trying to move towards that now. 12:27:57 *** lolman [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:28:04 *** lolman [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:38:22 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 12:41:38 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55D20.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 12:42:37 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-197-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:43:33 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55D20.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:45:25 *** Nick_Thorley [~chatzilla@83.166.176.206] has joined #openttd 12:45:27 *** Nick_Thorley is now known as Nick 12:45:38 *** Nick is now known as nickthorley 12:46:25 <nickthorley> hi all - just found the game - not played the original for years and used to love it. Can anyone advise where to buy the original so that I can get the files required for this linux version - not even sure if it will still be for sale? 12:46:37 <Aerandir> :D 12:46:56 <Celestar> it'S getting difficult to buy the gae ... 12:47:01 <Aerandir> im pretty sure you dont need to own the original 12:47:21 <Aerandir> eventhough I do, I didnt need it last time I installed the game 12:47:51 <keyweed_> <whisper from the shadows> there are other ways to obtain said files</whisper> 12:47:53 <nickthorley> oh ok i will try it and see - thanks 12:48:13 <nickthorley> keyweed_: does the whisper have book marks somewhere? 12:48:40 <peter1138> You do need to own the original. 12:49:07 <keyweed_> well. i might not point you in the general direction of something like peer 2 peer software 12:49:07 <peter1138> You need to own Windows to use it, too. 12:49:29 <nickthorley> keyweed_ oh ok - thanks 12:49:37 <Celestar> indows? 12:49:45 <nickthorley> keyweed_: i will try amazon then :) 12:52:34 <Tefad> err what? i need to own windows to use ottd? 12:52:59 <Ammler> @openttd grfs 12:52:59 <DorpsGek> Ammler: original grf files: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=3407 12:53:00 <DorpsGek> Ammler: newgrf files: http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/ 12:53:17 <peter1138> Errrr 12:53:20 <peter1138> You need to own Windows to use Windows, too. 12:53:54 <keyweed_> you can't own windows, but you can buy the right to use it 12:54:10 <Tefad> the "license" part is understood 12:54:22 <Tefad> it's hard to actually buy software. 12:56:15 *** LIIT [~kdk@130.226.232.146] has left #openttd [] 12:57:42 *** elmex [~elmex@p54821E24.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:01:21 *** nickthorley [~chatzilla@83.166.176.206] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]] 13:07:20 *** Maedhros [~jc@host81-157-37-130.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:13:16 *** Richlv [~rich@81.94.235.186] has joined #openttd 13:13:36 <Richlv> hi. running 0.6.0 beta5, 'total cargo' for my trains shows, for example, '-115 tonnes of coal (300)' 13:13:43 <Richlv> why is the first value negative ? 13:13:44 <Richlv> it seems to be amount of cargo loaded, but being negative doesn't look too correct to me :) 13:14:42 <Gonozal_VIII> don't go too far into the negative or your trains fly away 13:17:15 <blathijs> Richlv: Can you reproduce that? Ie, does it happen all the time, or just happened once? 13:17:36 <blathijs> Richlv: Does it happen on more than one train? Does it happen in more than one game? 13:18:05 <Gonozal_VIII> did you refit the train or something? 13:18:06 <Richlv> blathijs, happens for all trains 13:18:09 <Richlv> Gonozal_VIII, no 13:18:26 <Richlv> even '0' is shown with - infront 13:19:04 <Gonozal_VIII> there's no -0 in binary :S 13:19:05 <Richlv> this is my first game in a while, so i haven't tried it in several games yet :) 13:19:17 <blathijs> Gonozal_VIII: There is, for floating point numbers :-p 13:19:27 <blathijs> Richlv: It would be good to see if it also happen in a new game, with only a single train for example 13:19:32 <Gonozal_VIII> but that's integer 13:20:09 <peter1138> Richlv: It's not a minus sign 13:20:10 <blathijs> Richlv: In any case, I suggest you file a bug report at bugs.openttd.org 13:20:16 <peter1138> It's a bullet point line, heh 13:20:21 <peter1138> - 115 tonnes of coal (300) 13:20:30 <blathijs> Ah 13:20:39 <Richlv> peter1138, i had such an idea, but i compared it with other minus signs :) 13:20:39 <blathijs> So it's a feature :-) 13:20:49 <peter1138> Richlv, well it's the same symbol ;) 13:20:49 <Richlv> and it looks exactly the same to me 13:20:51 <blathijs> (In reality, it's probably the same glyph) 13:20:52 <Richlv> yeah :) 13:21:02 <blathijs> Richlv: Never mind the bug report thing then :-) 13:21:16 <peter1138> I have no idea why it's there, but it is. 13:21:25 <Richlv> it looks quite weird, though. probably should be removed or replaced with something better 13:21:42 <Noldo> there is -0 also for some signed integer binary representations 13:22:09 <Richlv> while i'm here, what does "transfer credits" mean in that tab ? :) 13:23:14 <Gonozal_VIII> the profit from the part of the transfer chain before that vehicle 13:24:18 <Richlv> profit for the same cargo that was previously transferred by other vehicle ? 13:24:29 <Richlv> or what's 'transfer chain' :) 13:24:44 *** keyweed [~Dennis@home.keyweed.com] has joined #openttd 13:25:21 <Gonozal_VIII> you transfer stuff by using the transfer and unload order or just onload if the station doesn't accept the cargo 13:25:49 <Gonozal_VIII> then it lies around at the station and waits to be picked up by another vehicle :-) 13:26:34 <keyweed> or rots. 13:27:04 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know if transferred stuff does that... 13:27:14 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5D08C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:28:01 <keyweed> i think it does. at least people do. 13:31:33 *** keyweed_ [~Dennis@home.keyweed.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:53 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5D978.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:44:56 *** lolman [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:10 *** lolman [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:56:02 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 13:57:57 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:58:59 <peter1138> Hmm 13:59:03 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:59:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:59:11 *** Xels [~Xels@chello084115004017.wrn.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 13:59:50 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 14:03:40 <Xels> hi there, iÂŽve got a question about the waiting time for trains at two way signals. i want that they wait for ever, until the signal turns green. iÂŽve tried to set the waiting time to 255 in the .cfg file, but it automaticly changes to 100, is there a way around it so the trains realy wait as long as the signal is red? 14:06:03 <mrfrenzy> are you using the latest nightly? 14:06:28 <Xels> no, iÂŽm using 0.6.0 beta5 14:06:50 <mrfrenzy> I read something about the train waiting being fixed in one of the latest versions 14:06:59 <mrfrenzy> but it can also have been in the YAPP thread 14:07:49 <Xels> ok, so i will try the nightly 14:08:04 <mrfrenzy> I recommend you read about yapp also in the forum 14:08:39 <Tefad> yapf? 14:08:54 <mrfrenzy> aah yes 14:09:08 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-10-222.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:09:16 <Xels> k, iÂŽve searched a litlle bit for this problem in the forums, but there was only the thing about setting the time to 255, which didnÂŽt work 14:11:38 <Celestar> -rw-r--r-- 1 fischer fischer 1.1G 2008-03-20 15:11 .xsession-errors 14:11:46 <Celestar> :S 14:12:02 <Tefad> holy crap 14:12:13 <Celestar> hm ... 14:12:19 <Celestar> all totem-movie-player :P 14:12:31 <Celestar> (totem-plugin-viewer:31417): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to `GtkWidget' 14:12:34 <Celestar> (totem-plugin-viewer:31417): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to `GtkObject' 14:12:39 <Celestar> 2 GB worth of these messages :P 14:12:48 <Tefad> yet another reason i use vanilla mplayer. 14:14:14 *** SmatZ [~Miranda@edunat.felk.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 14:17:06 <Celestar> yeah :) 14:17:22 <SmatZ> hello Celestar, FS#1841 fixed :) 14:17:27 <Xels> i tried out the new nightly (r12383), but it also changes the time to 100 -_- 14:17:42 <Tefad> why on earth do i have the music from Nights into Dreams stuck in my head : ( 14:17:45 <Celestar> SmatZ: I know. Congratz 14:17:55 <SmatZ> thanks :) 14:17:58 <Celestar> SmatZ: We've had some comments about it (= 14:19:23 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1F71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:19:56 <glx> Xels: the .cfg is only valid for new games 14:20:21 <SmatZ> Celestar I hope you didn't find any problems with it :) except typos :-x 14:20:23 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 14:20:23 <SmatZ> !logs 14:21:00 <Celestar> SmatZ: we usually get bits from a variable by using the GB() marco/template ^^ 14:21:38 <Celestar> but ok guys. 14:21:38 <glx> Xels: you need to type "patch <patch_name> = <value>" in the console if you want to modify it in a running game 14:21:41 <Celestar> I'm off 14:21:42 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm139.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:21:48 <Celestar> cu Tuesday or something 14:21:55 <SmatZ> Celestar yeah :-x I did copy+paste from VehicleEnter_Track 14:21:59 <SmatZ> bye Celestar :) 14:22:27 <Xels> @glx: it changes the time to 100 only when i start the game, i mean where i can load games, create scenarions ect. so even when i start a new game the time wonÂŽt be infinite, i guess 14:23:07 <Xels> k iÂŽll try that glx 14:29:33 <peter1138> GAH! 14:29:38 <peter1138> Vista crashed AGAIN 14:29:50 <glx> what were you doing? 14:30:00 <glx> installing VS2005? 14:30:03 <peter1138> Using IE7... 14:30:10 <peter1138> As I had been for a while. 14:30:26 <peter1138> IRQ error in USBPORT.SYS 14:30:28 <Tefad> if a web browser has enough power to bring down an OS.. something is flawed very horribly 14:30:48 <Tefad> hmm. sounds like a hardware/driver problem 14:32:24 <Xels> thx glx, now theyÂŽre waiting all the time, i canÂŽt say its infinite, i would have to sint here a longtime but it looks right ^^ 14:34:50 *** Xels [~Xels@chello084115004017.wrn.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 14:44:40 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499D0C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:46:17 *** SmatZ [~Miranda@edunat.felk.cvut.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:23 *** Dr_Urlaub [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0E6D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:04:43 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0DF03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:04:59 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm139.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 15:25:13 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Quit: You just lost the game] 15:38:20 *** elmex [~elmex@p54821E24.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:00 *** elmex [~elmex@p54821E24.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:45:25 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:45:38 <yorick> Hello 15:46:30 * yorick 's firefox config files got emptied :( probably more, after hitting reset button instead of shutdown button yesterday 15:46:58 <Gonozal_VIII> sucks to be you 15:47:03 <ln> fortunately you have backups. 15:47:39 <yorick> "Can't complete chkdisk" 15:48:06 <Gonozal_VIII> because windoof is running... 15:48:16 <yorick> ^^ 15:49:03 <yorick> yes, and the backups are...emptied 15:49:33 <Gonozal_VIII> you keep your backups in the ram? 15:49:49 <yorick> no, and I don't keep the config in the ram either, do I? 15:51:04 <yorick> everything that has a backup file is empty, and the backup itself is aswell :( 15:59:20 *** elmex [~elmex@p54821E24.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59:48 *** elmex [~elmex@p54821E24.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:01:40 *** Nicolas [~chatzilla@AMarseille-153-1-2-87.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:02:02 *** Nicolas [~chatzilla@AMarseille-153-1-2-87.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]] 16:11:44 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 16:15:57 <yorick> Gonozal_VIII: do you have an up-to-date version of YAPP? 16:16:17 <Gonozal_VIII> no 16:17:48 <yorick> ah, there it is 16:18:58 <yorick> not, there is no YAPP with it :( 16:19:02 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.139] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:19:11 <Gonozal_VIII> told ya 16:19:37 <yorick> lets highlights michi_cc 16:20:12 <yorick> the follow_track was removed for some reason I can't understand yet 16:20:21 <Gonozal_VIII> i know 16:23:24 <yorick> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36648 <-- programmable waypoints O_O :) 16:32:24 <hylej_> :> 16:33:36 <peter1138> Don't hold any hope for that particular incarnation. 16:33:44 <Noldo> yorick: follow track was removed... What? 16:33:59 <yorick> yapf? 16:34:24 <Gonozal_VIII> from trunk 16:34:35 <Gonozal_VIII> that source file is gone 16:34:46 <Richlv> yorick, looks interesting, but i didn't see "current load" :) 16:35:09 <yorick> its not mine anyway 16:35:24 <Gonozal_VIII> and the station entry in the screenshot sucks^^ 16:37:17 <yorick> @openttd commit 12252 16:37:20 <DorpsGek> yorick: Commit by KUDr :: r12252 /trunk (6 files in 3 dirs) (2008-02-25 15:09:22 UTC) 16:37:21 <DorpsGek> yorick: -Fix [FS#1801]: Broken FollowTrack_t related functions (thanks michi_cc). 16:37:22 <DorpsGek> yorick: -Fixed by removing FollowTrack_t structure and all related functions. Their purpose was to allow to call track followers from C code. They were: 16:37:23 <DorpsGek> yorick: 1. never used 16:37:24 <DorpsGek> yorick: 2. obsoleted by switching to C++ 16:52:21 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:07 <peter1138> ESPECIALLY FOR YOU! 16:57:27 <yorick> ... 16:57:44 <yorick> oh, the reason ^^ 16:57:53 <peter1138> Hmm? 17:04:41 <Gonozal_VIII> bah, that's spanish or something 17:05:45 <Gonozal_VIII> why do they subify anime in languages that nobody can understand... 17:06:51 <glx> I understand french subtitles 17:07:38 <Gonozal_VIII> but i don't! i want english subtitles! 17:07:42 <Gonozal_VIII> !! 17:07:48 <yorick> bah, french 17:08:01 <Gonozal_VIII> and it was something that looked like spanish, not french 17:08:31 <Belugas> could be italian or portuguese ^_^ 17:08:33 <Gonozal_VIII> or italian... whatever 17:08:36 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 17:09:18 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: try to find an us team site 17:10:01 <Gonozal_VIII> spanish, italian and french people should all be able to read english anyways 17:11:05 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-10-222.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 17:13:27 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 17:17:45 <glx> french fansubbers usually use english subtitles to make french subtitles 17:18:10 <glx> there are rare japanese to french translators 17:18:26 <yorick> why don't the french just read english? 17:19:14 <Gonozal_VIII> that's what i was trying to say... 17:19:47 <glx> we are known to be very bad to learn foreign languages 17:20:13 <Gonozal_VIII> when do you start learning english? 17:20:29 <Belugas> plus, it is all relevant to the need to speak or read another language 17:20:37 <Belugas> if it is not required, why do it? 17:20:48 <yorick> because it is required 17:20:49 <Gonozal_VIII> even more reason not to translate it 17:21:36 <yorick> because of your failure to understand the need of learning english, we have to learn french? :p 17:21:58 <glx> no you need to search for english subtitles 17:22:35 <Gonozal_VIII> couldn't find any for that... had to watch german... 17:22:53 <Belugas> change your DVD 17:23:01 <glx> find the team, and use irc to download 17:23:03 <Gonozal_VIII> dvd? 17:23:08 <Belugas> or whatever :) 17:23:29 <glx> most fansubs are available on irc 17:23:44 <glx> and only on irc 17:23:51 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm 17:24:09 *** Richlv [~rich@81.94.235.186] has left #openttd [] 17:24:42 <Gonozal_VIII> i found almost everything on veoh and in some cases only low quality stuff on google or youtube.. 17:25:44 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't want to wait for the download before watching... 17:26:02 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26:03 * glx prefer quality 17:26:49 <glx> I even get HD versions when available 17:27:16 <Gonozal_VIII> the quality of 1mb/min stuff isn't that bad... my laptop can't display hd stuff anyways 17:27:26 <Gonozal_VIII> 10mb^^ 17:29:41 <mrfrenzy> have you tried coreavc gonozal_viii 17:29:46 <mrfrenzy> works wonders for old pcs 17:30:08 <Gonozal_VIII> what's that? 17:30:13 <glx> I play everything with vlc 17:30:20 <mrfrenzy> codec for h264 that's very cpu efficient 17:30:45 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't think that thing can multiply my screen pixels or something... 17:31:02 <mrfrenzy> aah you mean the monitor is too bad ;) 17:32:02 <Gonozal_VIII> cpu doesn't have problems with the decoding 17:32:13 <glx> hi-res video on low-res display is always better than low-res video on hi-res display ;) 17:32:50 <Belugas> ho... anime stuff... 17:32:57 <Belugas> thanks wiki :) 17:33:17 <Gonozal_VIII> usually i have vlc too but i watch the veoh stuff inside veoh, that's less klickery 17:33:25 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm 17:33:46 <Gonozal_VIII> you didn't know what anime is? O_o 17:34:17 <Belugas> i had a good idea, but the fansub stuff is totally new to me 17:34:26 <Belugas> guess i'm too old for the stuff... 17:34:39 <Gonozal_VIII> tip: never watch dubs 17:34:56 <glx> I have no problems with dubs 17:34:57 <Belugas> and i've never been a fan of japanese animations either so... 17:35:10 <glx> we have good editors here 17:35:34 <glx> the dubbing was worse 20 years ago 17:35:53 <glx> especially the one for "hokuto no ken" 17:36:02 <Gonozal_VIII> but the japanese voices are a lot more kawaii 17:36:56 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489FB84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:44:08 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489B9CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:57 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:52:38 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:52:51 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.67.68] has quit [] 17:58:02 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:38 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-040-016.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:09 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host179-236-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:20:44 <Wolf01> hello 18:26:04 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 18:26:04 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:29:09 *** jez9999 [onenight@87-194-212-214.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:29:12 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:34:11 *** henkie [~henkie@tdlnx.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 18:34:34 <henkie> hi, can i add newgrf to a multiplayer game? 18:35:08 <henkie> because i am missing a food carriage :( 18:36:53 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest2012 18:36:53 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-73-85.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:36:53 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 18:37:16 *** Guest2012 [~Dale@pool-71-98-73-85.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:39:45 <Ammler> henkie: there are food carriage in default set 18:40:08 <Ammler> but you can also add newgrfs to MP game of course... :) 18:40:18 <glx> but not directly 18:40:21 <henkie> Ammler, i cannot seem to find it 18:40:29 <henkie> also a running game? :( 18:40:39 <Ammler> (just save the MP game local add the grf and load it up to the server 18:40:48 <Ammler> and load that game 18:40:53 <henkie> ah sweet 18:40:55 <henkie> tnx 18:40:59 <Gonozal_VIII> activating grfs in a running game is risky 18:41:17 <glx> bad things can happen yes 18:41:18 <Ammler> well, not from default, I assume 18:41:46 <glx> Ammler: try adding trams with running buses 18:41:48 <Gonozal_VIII> all kinds of things can happen 18:42:06 <Ammler> :-) 18:42:15 <henkie> hmm, the newgrf seems to be disabled 18:42:24 <Gonozal_VIII> like the wrong sprites for something... i had signals that looked like planes once :-) 18:42:33 <henkie> is there a location to find good up to date newgrfs? 18:42:42 <Gonozal_VIII> grfcrawler 18:42:43 <henkie> pref. one location :) 18:42:44 <Ammler> !openttd grfs 18:42:56 <Ammler> @openttd grfs 18:42:56 <DorpsGek> Ammler: original grf files: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=3407 18:42:58 <DorpsGek> Ammler: newgrf files: http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/ 18:43:05 <henkie> tnx 18:44:42 <henkie> hmm, lots of choice :) 18:48:21 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 18:50:02 *** lolman_ [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:50:12 *** lolman [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:50:57 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-163-171.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:52:30 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:53:55 <yorick> I think you should set some Due In's for bug reports 18:54:42 <Gonozal_VIII> nah 18:54:49 <henkie> hmm, still no food 18:55:06 <Gonozal_VIII> call for pizza or something 18:56:04 <henkie> will they deliver by train? 18:56:19 <Gonozal_VIII> only with the right newgrf :P 18:56:26 <henkie> :) 18:56:38 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-103-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:07 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 18:57:11 *** MyNick1 [~tom@92.1.165.140] has joined #openttd 18:57:38 <MyNick1> hello ? 18:57:49 <yorick> ... 18:57:56 *** lolman_ [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:58:15 *** lolman [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:58:23 <yorick> you're asking hello to 105 users, are you afraid noone will answer? 18:58:46 <yorick> don't worry, I wil :) What's your question? 18:58:51 <MyNick1> not relly no 18:58:57 *** lolman [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59:08 <Belugas> he said he had a question?? 18:59:09 <MyNick1> :( how can i get my nick name to work 18:59:17 <yorick> type /nick Tom 18:59:36 <MyNick1> ? 18:59:41 <MyNick1> still not working 18:59:45 <MyNick1> :( 19:00:01 <yorick> probably because someone else already took the name "Tom" 19:00:05 *** lolman [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:00:18 <yorick> try it with another name 19:00:33 <MyNick1> i dont know 19:00:38 <yorick> ... 19:00:57 <yorick> and /nick _Tom_ 19:00:59 *** lolman [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:01:02 *** lolman_ [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:01:32 *** MyNick1 is now known as tomo 19:01:46 <yorick> that's fine either ^^ 19:02:05 <yorick> now...do you have a question? And if so, what is your question? 19:02:30 *** Gonozal [~Gonozal_V@M3151P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 19:02:30 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest2016 19:02:30 *** Gonozal is now known as Gonozal_VIII 19:02:35 <tomo> i have none, sorry, i was making sure this IRC stuff worked, first time user lol 19:02:50 <glx> yorick: don't annoy the noob :) 19:02:55 <Gonozal_VIII> as you see, it doesn't work 19:03:12 <Wezz6400> glx I'm sure calling him noob won't annoy him 19:03:16 <yorick> :( why can't I annoy noobs? and then don't even have a question! 19:03:34 <henkie> do i need something special for a food carriage? or am i just using the wrong combo of newgrfs? 19:03:41 <yorick> probably 19:03:46 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 19:03:51 <tomo> i might be a noob to this IRC stuff, but i'm no noob when it comes to Openttd 19:03:52 <Wezz6400> no 19:04:05 *** lolman__ [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:04:05 *** lolman_ [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:04:20 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe 19:04:23 *** Guest2016 [~Gonozal_V@N801P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:04:58 *** lolman__ [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:07 <henkie> :)) 19:05:11 <yorick> ooh...selfish noobs! henkie: I guess you need to load the trainset after the cargo set, or assure you're playing in a climate which has food and your train set supports food 19:06:20 <Gonozal_VIII> or tell the people to eat something else instead... paper doesn't taste too bad 19:08:52 <Wezz6400> Gonozal_VIII how do you know that/ 19:09:03 <Gonozal_VIII> you never ate paper? 19:09:11 <Gonozal_VIII> you should! 19:09:51 <yorick> yes, it tastes like...err...paper! 19:10:01 <yorick> a bit dry, actually 19:10:02 <Gonozal_VIII> exactly! 19:10:17 <Wezz6400> hell no! 19:10:34 <Gonozal_VIII> but you shouldn't try used toilet paper 19:10:46 <yorick> that's the more wet thing 19:10:59 <Wezz6400> ew 19:11:06 <yorick> and it doesn't taste as nice aswell 19:11:13 <Wezz6400> you guys are gross 19:11:26 *** tomo is now known as ooo4tom 19:11:49 <yorick> but I only tried eatable paper 19:11:50 <Gonozal_VIII> and that from a person that never ate paper... 19:12:02 <Gonozal_VIII> shame on you 19:12:33 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:38 <yorick> shhhhhh...shhh for the non-believer! 19:13:56 <Wezz6400> nooo 19:14:01 <Wezz6400> get it off, get it off! 19:14:18 <Gonozal_VIII> you can also write the name of any food you want on some paper and eat that! 19:14:24 <Belugas> eating paper... people are really lazy... 19:14:47 <Belugas> or not knowing what more to do to impress the neightboroud... 19:14:48 <yorick> they've even invented paper which taste like pizza 19:15:01 <jez9999> Dominos? 19:15:06 <Gonozal_VIII> and pizza that tastes like paper 19:15:14 <yorick> no that's p- 19:15:15 <ooo4tom> what about rice paper ? does that count 19:15:28 <Belugas> so... our new IRC tomo is no more than ooo4Tom from the forums... 19:15:34 <Belugas> well, welcome :) 19:15:44 <Gonozal_VIII> no more than?^^ 19:15:51 <Belugas> no less? 19:15:54 <Belugas> dunno 19:16:07 <Belugas> no less would have been better, i guess 19:16:12 <Gonozal_VIII> other... 19:16:19 <Gonozal_VIII> but more is bad^^ 19:18:02 <Belugas> pfffff.... 19:18:07 <Belugas> pedant 19:18:24 <Belugas> at least, I did welcomed our new guess :P 19:18:27 <Gonozal_VIII> you should know your own language ;-) 19:18:33 <Belugas> Me??? 19:18:48 <Belugas> i'm a french speaking one! 19:18:55 <yorick> so? 19:18:58 <Belugas> mother tongue etc... 19:19:11 <Gonozal_VIII> english is also official language there, right? 19:19:14 <Belugas> so, it's not english is not my language 19:19:17 <yorick> I'm a dutch speaking one! 19:19:26 <Belugas> nope. 19:19:32 <yorick> Gonozal_VIII: who bended your mind in that direction? 19:19:38 <Belugas> both french and english are the official ones 19:20:05 <Gonozal_VIII> then what of what i wrote is "nope"? 19:20:23 <Belugas> [15:18] <Gonozal_VIII> english is also official language there, right? <--- that 19:20:31 <Belugas> [15:19] <@Belugas> both french and english are the official ones 19:20:34 <Gonozal_VIII> also as in besides french 19:26:59 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:29:06 <Ammler> yey, cool done! 19:29:16 <Ammler> trains drive backwards 19:29:30 <Gonozal_VIII> really? 19:29:56 <Gonozal_VIII> without an engine in front? 19:30:39 <Ammler> hmm, no idea, I added a "cab control car" 19:30:53 <Gonozal_VIII> :-) 19:31:13 <Gonozal_VIII> all the trains on my line have those 19:32:06 <Gonozal_VIII> wendezuggarnitur... or something like that 19:32:50 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.ebepe.com/bilder_vs/5879.jpg 19:33:08 <Ammler> check Canadian set 19:33:20 <Ammler> it has some trains supporting that 19:33:26 <Ammler> no idea, if there is another set 19:33:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> you must have really bad resolution if that is the max you can get ;) 19:33:50 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm? 19:34:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> nevermind ;) 19:34:29 <ln> Gonozal_VIII: English channel. 19:34:45 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know the english word for that :P 19:34:59 <Gonozal_VIII> i wasn't even sure if it was the right german word 19:35:19 <ln> Gonozal_VIII: i don't either... 19:35:22 <yorick> peter1138: remember when I said something about cpu usage of 32bpp blitter, the problem appears to be localized to 32bpp-anim 19:35:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> what i always wondered about... why it is called "Wendezug" when it does not "wendet" 19:35:58 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm that's a good point 19:36:17 <yorick> and what does that mean exactly? 19:36:35 <Gonozal_VIII> turn around 19:36:50 <Ammler> http://img6.myimg.de/backwards73e79.png 19:37:12 <Ammler> check the signals for prove 19:37:18 <yorick> if I disable palette animation, 32bpp works fine, enabled, it takes a hel of a lot of CPU usage, just like it redraws anything 19:37:42 <Gonozal_VIII> those wagons look somewhat strange... 19:37:51 <Ammler> well, bilevel 19:38:07 <Gonozal_VIII> egg shaped.. 19:38:20 <Gonozal_VIII> easter train 19:38:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... it IS easter ;) 19:40:53 <yorick> Ammler: pause, press reverse, press ignore signals a couple of times, et presto! 19:41:16 <Gonozal_VIII> why pause? 19:41:31 <yorick> easier 19:41:38 <Ammler> lol 19:42:23 <Ammler> then its already known? 19:42:35 <Ammler> doesn't need bugreport... 19:43:07 <yorick> if you press ignore signals...you can expect train to drive agains signals 19:43:30 <Gonozal_VIII> that's the point... 19:47:24 <Ammler> yorick: as I did that, my client broke 19:47:46 <Ammler> I thought, you mean that 19:48:00 <Gonozal_VIII> strange, i forced trains through a lot of signals without breaking the game 19:48:05 <yorick> actually, I didn't 19:48:21 <yorick> not backwards, did you? 19:48:36 <Gonozal_VIII> trains don't go backwards... 19:48:51 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 19:48:56 <Gonozal_VIII> :P 19:49:00 <Ammler> ./bin/openttd 19:49:00 <Ammler> openttd: /home/marcel/bin/ottd/trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp:3155: void TrainController(Vehicle*, Vehicle*, bool): Assertion `chosen_track == TRACK_BIT_X || chosen_track == TRACK_BIT_Y || chosen_track == TRACK_BIT_UPPER || chosen_track == TRACK_BIT_LOWER || chosen_track == TRACK_BIT_LEFT || chosen_track == TRACK_BIT_RIGHT' failed. 19:49:27 <yorick> hey, SmatZ knows that assertion! 19:49:35 <dragonhorseboy> hey 19:49:40 <Gonozal_VIII> there are other trackbits than those? 19:49:43 <Ammler> that happens, as I pushed many times reverse 19:49:50 <yorick> yes, TRACK_BIT_INVALID 19:50:03 <Gonozal_VIII> how the hell would it choose that 19:50:11 <yorick> that happens, as I pushed many times reverse 19:50:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: there are combinations of trackbits 19:50:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> the assert says "exactl one trackbit is left" 19:50:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> +y 19:50:41 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm 19:51:03 *** ooo4tom [~tom@92.1.165.140] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 19:51:19 <yorick> Ammler: let me guess, the train has different wagon sizes and is partially in depot? 19:51:35 <Ammler> nope 19:51:50 <Noldo> please tell me what is happening here: http://nightly.openttd.org/devs/logs/amd64.nightly.error.log 19:51:53 <Ammler> its on same part as I made the screen 19:52:03 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 19:52:23 <yorick> hmm...just a warning 19:52:41 <Noldo> :) 19:52:59 <Gonozal_VIII> but a always false comparison seems to be bad 19:53:06 <Noldo> that is true, but I still want to know 19:53:24 <Noldo> Gonozal_VIII: it doesn't matter that much, it's in the debug functions 19:53:37 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 19:53:48 <yorick> SmatZ: check the logs 19:54:03 <yorick> ammler has encountered the Assertion `chosen_track == TRACK_BIT_X || chosen_track == TRACK_BIT_Y || chosen_track == TRACK_BIT_UPPER || chosen_track == TRACK_BIT_LOWER || chosen_track == TRACK_BIT_LEFT || chosen_track == TRACK_BIT_RIGHT' failed. assertion 19:54:57 <Ammler> SmatZ: I reversed a "push-pull" train some times 19:55:06 <SmatZ> mmm 19:55:15 <SmatZ> Ammler: can you send me the savegame? 19:55:19 *** ooo4tom [~tom@92.1.165.140] has joined #openttd 19:55:36 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 19:55:36 <SmatZ> !logs 19:55:39 <Ammler> SmatZ: try to rebuild, because of the assert; i have none 19:55:52 <Ammler> maybe a autosave, let me look 19:56:18 <SmatZ> would be useful 19:56:25 <SmatZ> I did many checks 19:56:57 <Ammler> is there an other trainset with push-pull support? 19:57:09 <Ammler> (then canadian set) 19:57:24 *** ooo4tom [~tom@92.1.165.140] has quit [] 19:57:53 *** ooo4tom [~tom@92.1.165.140] has joined #openttd 19:57:56 *** ooo4tom [~tom@92.1.165.140] has left #openttd [] 19:59:23 <SmatZ> Ammler: I don't know 19:59:47 <Ammler> was a accident 19:59:51 <Ammler> can't reproduce 20:00:31 <SmatZ> :-x 20:00:54 <SmatZ> Ammler: was the train leaving a depot or something unusual? 20:01:06 <Ammler> nope 20:01:15 <Ammler> it was running in a loop 20:01:34 <Ammler> like that screen: http://img6.myimg.de/backwards73e79.png 20:02:06 <SmatZ> did you reverse it while it wasn't moving? 20:02:16 <Ammler> joh 20:02:25 <SmatZ> interesting 20:02:37 <SmatZ> thanks 20:02:40 <Ammler> i klicked many times 20:02:56 <Ammler> and then it seems like one waggon lost the train 20:03:03 <Ammler> and after some secs the game broke 20:03:16 <yorick> again invisible wagons 20:03:28 <Ammler> not invisibe 20:03:36 <SmatZ> I don't think I touched this code 20:03:39 <Ammler> just a cap between train and last waggon 20:04:00 <Ammler> last waggon was that special pull-push waggon 20:04:03 <SmatZ> Ammler: are you able to build exactly the same consist as was the one that broke? 20:04:24 <Ammler> thats what I meant, not able to reproduce it 20:04:42 <glx> <Ammler> is there an other trainset with push-pull support? <-- ukrs for some combo 20:05:03 <Ammler> glx: thanks 20:05:14 <glx> and push-pull is just a display effect 20:05:40 <glx> internally the train really reversed 20:06:04 <Ammler> oh so you should look to have same looking waggons 20:06:07 <glx> so your problem is probably more general 20:06:23 <Ammler> well, I have not a problem :-) 20:06:29 <Ammler> I love that effect 20:06:33 <glx> assert is not a problem? 20:06:46 <Ammler> the assert isn't reproduceable 20:06:55 <SmatZ> Ammler: you were playing with Canadian Trainset v0.3c ? 20:06:59 <Ammler> joh 20:07:02 <SmatZ> ok :) 20:08:35 <Ammler> just a notice, Canadian set and UKRS isn't changeable on running game :-) 20:08:51 <glx> of course 20:09:20 <glx> the red warning is there for no reason ;) 20:09:27 <Ammler> :-) 20:09:31 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:09:37 <Ammler> red warning? 20:09:49 <SmatZ> interesing, I get artifacts while running Canadian set 20:10:13 <Gonozal_VIII> alien artifacts? 20:10:17 <Ammler> ah, maybe the first time I read that red box :-) 20:10:20 <Gonozal_VIII> those can be dangerous! 20:11:12 <Ammler> how do I see, which engine of UKRS is push-pull? 20:13:37 <Ammler> or in other words, why is not every engine push&pull? 20:13:51 <glx> you need a breaking car 20:14:04 <Gonozal_VIII> because most trains don't drive backwards 20:14:53 <Ammler> glx: hmm, or you would need to return the train with a sideline or something like that 20:15:34 <Ammler> in canadian set the train drives packwards only about 10 km/h 20:15:56 <Gonozal_VIII> ah ic 20:18:42 <SmatZ> Ammler: I think I didn't break it, all engines and wagons that are able to push/pull I could find have length 8 20:19:15 <Ammler> i never said, you broke it 20:19:23 <SmatZ> Ammler: I was afraid I did :) 20:19:38 <Ammler> I just did, what yorick said and posted the assert here 20:19:55 <Ammler> but not able to reproduce anyway 20:19:55 <yorick> did I say something? 20:20:10 <mrfrenzy> I have found that it's easy to create asserts if you mix grfs randomly 20:20:11 <Ammler> oh, I also had ECS loaded 20:20:37 <SmatZ> 21:51:50 < Noldo> please tell me what is happening here: http://nightly.openttd.org/devs/logs/amd64.nightly.error.log 20:20:43 <SmatZ> maybe compilerbug 20:20:52 <SmatZ> gcc 4.3 doesn't issue this warning anyme 20:20:56 <SmatZ> *anymore 20:21:03 <glx> Ammler: in ukrs you can try 0.6.0 tank engine with a brake van 20:21:38 <Gonozal_VIII> yay, a tank 20:22:02 <yorick> Tomas The Tank Engine Set! 20:22:29 <glx> but don't mix wagon types else it looks ugly ;) 20:23:06 <Sacro> yorick: is that still going? 20:23:20 <yorick> not that I know of 20:25:36 <Ammler> http://img6.myimg.de/backwards169461.png <-- with smoke, now you can believe me :-) 20:26:00 <Gonozal_VIII> i will never believe you!! 20:26:03 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 20:26:13 <ln> does OTTD support off-road vehicles, in theory? 20:26:14 <glx> Ammler: var FE bit 8 ;) 20:26:35 <Gonozal_VIII> planes 20:26:39 <Gonozal_VIII> and ships 20:26:48 <ln> you know i didn't mean that. 20:26:51 <yorick> ln: no 20:26:58 <Gonozal_VIII> it could work 20:27:02 <yorick> unless you mean planes or ships 20:27:19 <yorick> but it would be very pathfinder-intensive 20:27:20 <ln> yorick: and you are familiar with how many per cent of the code? 20:27:48 <Gonozal_VIII> if you see every open tile as a full road tile.. 20:27:59 <yorick> lets say 0.2%, ln 20:28:04 <Gonozal_VIII> but i guess that would be worse than ship yapf 20:28:20 <Ammler> oh, changing back from ukrs->canset works 20:28:33 *** ooo4tom [~tom@92.1.165.140] has joined #openttd 20:29:00 <yorick> welcome back 20:29:11 <ooo4tom> thanks :) 20:29:51 *** nicfer [~chatzilla@168.226.104.12] has joined #openttd 20:32:34 <Ammler> glx: do you know that X10 effect from TTDPatch? 20:32:53 <Ammler> it drives very slow backwards 20:33:09 <glx> it does in ottd 20:33:54 <glx> 128km/h forward, 32km/h backward 20:34:57 <Ammler> yey 20:34:59 <Ammler> it works 20:36:38 <SmatZ> yay, yay, OTTD is great, isn't it? :-) 20:36:48 <Ammler> :D 20:40:51 <Ammler> well, you support know that GRF Feature, but wouldn't it be "wiser" to make it other way? 20:41:10 <Ammler> like don't let trains reverse at all? 20:42:08 <Ammler> only those, which have such a break waggon or control cab 20:42:55 <Ammler> (not reversing, just let them drive "backwards") 20:43:29 <Gonozal_VIII> negative speed 20:50:42 <Alberth> hmm, I have a train with battery wagons in a depot, and am trying to pick up wagons and dump then one line lower onto the first wagon I dropped there, but it doesn't work. Dumping on the second, third, etc wagon does work, it seems 20:51:51 <Gonozal_VIII> i think that battery thingy isn 20:51:59 <Gonozal_VIII> 't supposed to pull stuff 20:52:16 <Gonozal_VIII> or something like that... 20:52:48 <Alberth> the first wagon is directly below the first wagon still after the locomotive (ie I am not trying to put it under the locomotive) 20:53:35 <Gonozal_VIII> i can't really understand... screenshot! 20:53:55 <Alberth> where should I put it? 20:54:01 <Gonozal_VIII> online 20:54:25 <Gonozal_VIII> some image hoster, doesn't matter 20:55:09 <Alberth> any recommendations? (I never post images online) 20:55:16 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: quit quit quit quit quit quit quit] 20:56:45 <Prof_Frink> Alberth: Do you have an account on tt-forums.net? PM yourself and attach the image. 20:57:12 <ooo4tom> photobucket, imageshack 20:58:01 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:59:48 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:04:03 <Alberth> Prof_Frink: Done, and now? 21:04:46 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.67.68] has joined #openttd 21:05:00 *** Dr_Urlaub is now known as Dr_Jekyll 21:05:57 <Prof_Frink> right click, copy image location, paste here 21:08:50 <Alberth> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=88126 21:09:05 <Alberth> talk about giving away private data :) 21:09:22 <Alberth> red wagon I am trying to drop here, but it doesn't work 21:09:41 <Alberth> (cursor is still on 1st wagon) 21:10:10 <Alberth> Prof_Frink: tnx 21:10:53 <Alberth> maybe wagon is a bit too low in the pic 21:11:37 <Gonozal_VIII> you can put it at the end of the wagon line 21:11:51 <Gonozal_VIII> you can't sort wagons without an engine 21:12:59 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm 21:13:06 <Gonozal_VIII> strange 21:13:14 <Alberth> I am not sorting, just want to drop all wagons one line lower (I needed different wagons and didn't want to sell these) 21:13:36 <Alberth> weird thing is that it works when dropping on non-first wagon 21:13:47 <Gonozal_VIII> ok, now i see you can drop it after every other 21:14:06 <Gonozal_VIII> that's strange indeed 21:14:11 <Alberth> looks like a bug :) 21:14:56 <Gonozal_VIII> ah... 21:15:18 <Gonozal_VIII> it doesn't put it after the wagon you drop on but before it 21:15:36 <Gonozal_VIII> even if you drop it on the last pixel 21:16:14 <Alberth> hmm, that may explain the problem 21:16:33 <Gonozal_VIII> why did i never notice that :S 21:16:57 <Alberth> nobody moves 7 times 1 wagon, maybe? 21:18:45 <Alberth> or with a locomotive it does work? 21:19:17 <Gonozal_VIII> it works with wagons too, it's just a little strange 21:23:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> Alberth: suggestion, hold ctrl while dragging a wagon moves all wagons behind it, too 21:24:08 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:57 <Alberth> Wow, another use of the magic ctl key.... tnx Eddi 21:26:16 <Prof_Frink> Pfft, ctrl is not magic. SysRq is magic. 21:27:07 <Dominik> Alberth: i'd suggest reading this http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Hidden 21:29:44 <Alberth> Prof_Frink: and nicely documented in Wikipedia (can you imagine that in encyclopedia brittanica? :) ) 21:30:34 <Alberth> Dominik: tnx, I was wondering whether something like that existed (you must have read my mind). 21:33:04 *** ooo4tom [~tom@92.1.165.140] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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