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[nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:42:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Yexo * r15291 /trunk/src/ (core/alloc_func.hpp station_gui.cpp station_gui.h): 02:42:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Cleanup: Move the station list widgets to their class from station_gui.h 02:42:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: comment for ReallocT was wrong, the memory is not zeroed. 02:47:40 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:56:03 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@62.199.9.179] has joined #openttd 03:01:59 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:03:24 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 03:07:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r15292 /trunk/src/unmovable_map.h: 03:07:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix(r15290): Incrementing something that is already set to the correct value is a bit of a no-no 03:07:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Also, protect against such misuse with 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#openttd 06:22:00 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-247.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [] 06:31:35 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:47:33 *** prideland [~epicuser@c-24-63-105-160.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 06:47:34 *** spacecadetnow [~kevin@pool-64-223-107-201.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 06:48:02 <spacecadetnow> hello 06:48:07 <prideland> hi 06:48:30 <prideland> anyone here? 06:50:47 <prideland> y 06:51:16 *** evandar [~evandar@trashcan.g8mb.cz] has joined #openttd 06:51:35 <prideland> hello evendar 06:51:40 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 06:51:42 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:52:02 *** evandar [~evandar@trashcan.g8mb.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:58:09 <spacecadetnow> dcc delete 06:58:21 *** spacecadetnow [~kevin@pool-64-223-107-201.burl.east.verizon.net] has left #openttd [] 06:59:42 <prideland> yes 07:01:54 <prideland> dcc get spacecadet 07:03:30 <prideland> 1 07:03:31 <prideland> 1 07:07:30 *** prideland [~epicuser@c-24-63-105-160.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.6 -- Are we there yet? (EPIC4-Win32 - http://www.sosdg.org/software.php)] 07:10:55 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:30:22 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c114-76-62-29.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:30:24 <ccfreak2k> I visited bananas.openttd.org. 07:30:30 <dihedral> morning 07:30:37 <ccfreak2k> I was a bit disappointed by the content found there. 07:31:47 <dihedral> why is that? 07:31:47 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.55] has joined #openttd 07:35:56 <dihedral> ccfreak2k, it is the authors choice to publish stuff via bananas 07:36:05 <dihedral> and some have already uploaded updates 07:36:42 <dihedral> and others will latest with the release of 0.7 realize that their work will hardly be used if not in bananas 07:36:57 <Tefad> bananas they're the shit? 07:37:34 <ccfreak2k> I was hoping to see bananas. 07:37:38 <ccfreak2k> :( 07:37:43 <Tefad> top right corner 07:38:34 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:40:44 <dihedral> ==5086== ERROR SUMMARY: 0 errors from 0 contexts (suppressed: 45 from 1) 07:40:44 <dihedral> ==5086== malloc/free: in use at exit: 14,400,046 bytes in 1,187 blocks. 07:40:44 <dihedral> ==5086== malloc/free: 3,829,168 allocs, 3,827,981 frees, 1,250,772,589,090 bytes allocated. 07:40:48 <dihedral> ops :-P 07:40:51 <dihedral> wrong window 07:42:14 <petern> 1.25TB 07:42:15 <petern> ? 07:43:06 <dihedral> 23626 fairplay 16 0 389m 15m 3480 S 9 1.5 64:31.11 openttd 07:43:14 <dihedral> i have 1024MB mem on that machine 07:43:26 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-124-187-1-9.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:43:30 <dihedral> 1.5% mem? 07:43:48 <dihedral> forget it :-P 07:43:57 * dihedral cannot calculate 07:43:57 <Pikka> I say I say I say 07:44:04 <dihedral> hello Pikka 07:44:11 <Pikka> hello 07:59:32 <ccfreak2k> Pikka 07:59:35 <ccfreak2k> (chu) 08:00:16 <Pikka> si 08:08:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15294 /trunk/src/yapf/yapf_rail.cpp: -Fix: accessing of inaccessible base 08:10:53 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:12:36 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.55] has joined #openttd 08:14:19 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:21:55 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 08:22:11 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:22:23 <|Japa|> http://pix.sparky-s.ie/images/oitemrdaiye57jqqvzpp.png 08:28:38 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f84e.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:33:43 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f84e.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 08:40:53 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-124-187-1-9.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 08:49:17 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051194026.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:52:16 <planetmaker> morning 08:52:43 <dihedral> hey ho 08:53:21 <planetmaker> how's going, dih? :) 08:53:37 * dihedral is sitting :-P 08:55:43 <dihedral> doing well pm, how about you? 08:56:23 <planetmaker> not bad either :) 09:02:35 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.33] has joined #openttd 09:12:54 <dihedral> who is this Mark? 09:13:48 <svip> Which Mark? 09:13:53 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 09:14:00 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9FE58.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:14:04 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.33] has joined #openttd 09:14:44 <dihedral> the one with the nick "Mark" 09:16:07 <svip> There are two. 09:16:12 <dihedral> no! 09:16:21 <dihedral> there is only with with the nick "Mark" 09:16:26 <dihedral> the other is Mark_ 09:16:28 <dihedral> my word 09:16:45 <planetmaker> Mark_ is the real one :P 09:16:45 <dihedral> user! 09:16:51 <dihedral> yes - i know that :-P 09:17:07 <dihedral> Mark is just ideling in here.... 09:17:31 <planetmaker> given the impressive nick list that can be said of 98% of the nicks here. 09:17:40 <planetmaker> And it doesn't matter, does it? 09:18:40 <Roest> why are you saying i'm idling? 09:18:55 <planetmaker> Roest: I said 98% :P 09:21:22 <dihedral> Roest, nobody mentioned your name, or am i mistaken? 09:21:23 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:21:40 <Roest> i was joking dammit 09:21:53 <dihedral> :-( 09:21:57 <dihedral> what a pitty :-D 09:21:59 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:23:51 <Roest> beside i saw svip, pm and dihedral talking, would have to count the nicks to determine if that's already 2% :P 09:24:04 <planetmaker> :P 09:24:05 <svip> :O 09:24:18 <dihedral> hihi 09:24:31 <dihedral> 100 users, 3 makes more than 2% :-D 09:28:09 <worldemar> hehe) 09:28:11 <petern> stupid customer 09:28:18 <petern> "can you clear out my mailbox" 09:28:19 <petern> ok 09:28:27 <petern> "arrrrr! all my emails gone" 09:28:28 <petern> well duh 09:28:33 <worldemar> >_< 09:28:42 <planetmaker> ^-° 09:28:47 <petern> fortunately i am clever and kept a backup :p 09:29:43 <dihedral> hihi 09:29:47 <dihedral> amusing :-P 09:29:51 <petern> FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU 09:29:55 <petern> putty 09:29:58 <petern> 1680x1050 09:30:00 <petern> fullscreen 09:30:02 <dihedral> hihi 09:30:37 <edeca> petern: Time to play with figlet ;) 09:30:45 <petern> hmmmmmmmm 09:30:47 <worldemar> time to breakfast >:] 09:30:57 * worldemar gone to kitchen 09:32:43 <petern> lol 09:32:47 <petern> toilet --gay 09:33:38 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.55] has joined #openttd 09:38:28 <dihedral> http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/patches/no_players.v2.r15290.patch 09:38:50 <dihedral> boot people joining with the default nick name (configurable) 09:39:03 <Roest> lol 09:39:22 <dihedral> it is so annoying when they join 09:39:27 <dihedral> and then best 5 at a time 09:40:16 <dihedral> perhaps a check to match the first chars of the client name, so nobody joines with Player #1 either 09:40:23 <petern> tough 09:40:25 <dihedral> or check the nick when they change their nick 09:40:36 <dihedral> so they dont rename to Player 09:41:10 <Roest> i nver checked, is Player the default for every language? 09:41:24 <planetmaker> seems like 09:43:32 <petern> better idea: make the default name be blank, and don't allow joining (server and client side) if it is left blank. 09:44:38 <planetmaker> but then there needs to be a possibility to set the nickname from the GUI and not the openttd.cfg from within the title screen. 09:44:54 <planetmaker> currently you can only change it from a running binary when ingame afaik. 09:44:57 <petern> ... 09:45:08 <petern> ... 09:45:13 <petern> ... 09:46:09 <planetmaker> err... mangled sentence. 09:46:22 <planetmaker> Nevertheless: you cannot change the nick in the join screen, can you? 09:46:33 <petern> ... 09:46:51 * planetmaker gives petern a few more pebles and dots. 09:46:51 <petern> ... 09:46:55 <petern> ... 09:47:11 <planetmaker> he... I guess you can? :) 09:47:20 <petern> open the 'multiplayer' window 09:47:39 <planetmaker> At work it's a bit of a no-no. I always use autojoin :P 09:47:41 <planetmaker> sorry :) 09:48:19 <petern> ... 09:48:21 <petern> a no-no? 09:48:35 <petern> you can play the game but not open the lobby? 09:48:37 <planetmaker> I shouldn't start up OpenTTD on my workplace computer :) 09:48:44 <petern> okay 09:48:46 <petern> well its there 09:48:59 <petern> in bright, er, black text 09:49:02 <petern> "Player name:" 09:49:04 <el_en> its? 09:49:10 <planetmaker> he. sorry, yeah... I seem to recall faintly :) 09:49:17 <petern> el_en, yes, I couldn't be bothered to correct it. 09:49:32 <planetmaker> correct? 09:49:41 <planetmaker> client name? 09:50:01 <petern> what now? 09:50:23 <planetmaker> I wondered about what the error is with "Player name:" :) 09:50:24 <dihedral> petern, bank is good too 09:50:49 <dihedral> but making it an entry in the advanced settings would be good too 09:50:53 <petern> so said there was an error with it? 09:50:55 <petern> *who 09:51:08 <dihedral> interface -> multiplayer 09:51:11 <planetmaker> sorry, I thought you :P 09:51:57 <petern> planetmaker, el_en was questioning me on "its" rather than "it's" 09:52:11 <planetmaker> -_- 09:57:57 *** petern changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.3 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | 100% perfect English day. 09:58:06 <petern> Hello there, el_en. 09:58:42 <Roest> eeek 09:58:53 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 09:58:54 <planetmaker> urgs. 09:59:17 <petern> Oh, okay... 09:59:24 <Roest> can't we make it google translation day? 09:59:33 *** petern changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.3 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | 100% perfect English hour, 10am to 11am GMT. 09:59:45 <petern> You've got one minute! 09:59:48 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:59:54 <petern> ah ha ha ha 09:59:55 <planetmaker> :P 10:00:26 <petern> Maybe 11am to 12am GMT will be 100% perfect French hour? 10:00:39 <Roest> that's ok, i go to lunch then 10:00:49 * planetmaker will be silent the next two hours given the conditions ;) 10:01:11 <Roest> btw is it 11 GMT or 10 GMT right now? 10:01:23 <planetmaker> it should afaik 10:01:35 <edeca> I say dear chap, what's this "btw" you mention? 10:01:40 <petern> It is 10am GMT, so it's just started. 10:01:48 * edeca goes for morning tea 10:01:57 <planetmaker> oh, it's one minute past the hour ;) 10:01:58 <petern> Good idea, fellow. 10:02:15 <dihedral> petern, you should have done that when Ammler used to say a lot in here :-D 10:02:28 * Roest puts on his fake english accent 10:02:53 <petern> @seen Ammler 10:02:53 <DorpsGek> petern: Ammler was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 14 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <Ammler> heya dihedral 10:03:21 <dihedral> thanks for highlighting me :-P 10:03:34 <petern> We all got highlighted. 10:03:40 <dihedral> all? 10:03:52 <petern> Ammler, you, and I. 10:03:55 <dihedral> not like if you had said @nicks :-D 10:04:29 <petern> Hmm, apparently I have a news server. How odd. 10:05:24 <Roest> That's better than thinking oyu have one and finding out you don't 10:05:35 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051194026.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 10:05:37 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:06:55 <petern> Possibly. The server is nowhere near my network... 10:08:33 <Roest> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41626 10:09:05 <dihedral> i want one of these: http://www.netbubbles.de/ 10:09:19 <Roest> he uses W8 for wait where's the spelling and grammar police 10:10:33 *** xerxesdaphat [~tom@118-93-9-140.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #openttd 10:10:49 <Roest> i'm still looking for that toaster they showed us in the introductionary cs lecture, the one that get the weather forecast fromt he net and prints little suns or clouds on your toast 10:14:40 <dihedral> LOL 10:22:43 *** Dr_Jekyll [JavaUser@p57B0DB06.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:23:27 <Roest> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/04/bread_as_a_display_device/ 10:30:35 <Mark> dihedral: I'm not! 10:31:00 <Mark> I'm just so busy with playing OpenTTD all the time (atm I have 5 games running) 10:31:12 <Roest> lol 10:31:16 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-124-187-1-9.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:32:33 <dihedral> Mark, i just never saw you here before ;-) 10:32:43 <Mark> ;) 10:32:52 <Mark> I've been sitting here for a while now. 10:33:00 <dihedral> yes, hence i said ideling :-D 10:33:07 <dihedral> it's been days 10:33:09 <Mark> My first nick was MarkMc/markmc and then Markk 10:33:28 <Mark> But since Mark was free I took it :) 10:33:31 <Mark> (My name i Mark) 10:34:07 <dihedral> yes - i figured as much :-P 10:34:16 <dihedral> you playing any games online? 10:34:17 <Mark> ;) 10:34:21 <Mark> Not much 10:34:33 <Mark> I'm thinking about starting with that :) 10:38:12 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 10:38:13 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [] 10:38:18 <dihedral> short visit 10:41:07 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:41:55 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 10:47:04 <dihedral> petern, the patch i posted earlier (no players) however is a good basis for a bad nick list ;-) 10:47:12 <petern> no thanks 10:47:27 <petern> Er, I mean... 10:47:29 <petern> No thanks. 10:52:40 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:08:22 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:18:11 * edeca returns from tea refreshed and rejuvenated 11:23:13 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-141-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 11:23:17 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:23:27 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:23:44 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:23:46 *** petern changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.3 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots 11:24:08 <edeca> petern: English hour is over? 11:24:44 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:24:55 <petern> it's past 11am GMT so yeah it is 11:25:09 <petern> come 'n 'ave a go if u think yer 'ard enough 11:26:01 <edeca> Now you just sound Northern :\ 11:26:11 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 11:26:26 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:26:47 <petern> Oop t'North? 11:28:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.211.205] has joined #openttd 11:32:53 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:33:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.211.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:35:51 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:36:24 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:41:18 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 11:43:55 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:45:05 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@77.166.163.108] has joined #openttd 11:50:25 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28DBD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:02:41 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:17 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:13:33 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:13:34 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 12:16:48 *** Lisby [~l@x1-6-00-17-3f-55-57-df.k180.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 12:17:40 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@77.166.163.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:18:28 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:20:37 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:21:09 *** Lisby [~l@x1-6-00-17-3f-55-57-df.k180.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 12:21:22 *** Lisby [~Lisby@x1-6-00-17-3f-55-57-df.k180.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 12:22:35 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:27:30 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:28:11 *** AllenJB [~ajb42@server2.alteredperspective.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:34:48 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:36:06 *** davis_ [~iloveme@p5B28CFD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:42:53 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:43:23 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28DBD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:48:53 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 13:00:21 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 13:04:42 <jerker> bye bye folks, dont have time to lurk here no more. continue the nice work with OpenTTD and keep building the best junctions there are! 13:05:11 *** jerker [jerker@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:06:01 *** Osai is now known as _Osai 13:06:05 *** _Osai is now known as Osai 13:09:46 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet613.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:10:53 <petern> takes a lot of time to lurk 13:11:08 <edeca> Yeah, I dedicate an hour a day to IRC lurking 13:12:39 <dihedral> and nobody is really interested in those junctions... so all that effort kinda was for the fuzzy rear end :P 13:12:54 <Pikka> who's got a fuzzy rear end? 13:12:59 <edeca> dihedral: What junctions were they? 13:13:08 <dihedral> ones for a fuzzy rear end :-D 13:13:14 *** Osai is now known as {Osai 13:13:15 <dihedral> they are in the wiki 13:13:16 *** {Osai is now known as Osai 13:13:16 <edeca> Pikka: Are there prizes? 13:13:21 <edeca> dihedral: Ah, cool. 13:13:31 <dihedral> i have no idea what names he gave them 13:13:33 <edeca> dihedral: The generic "4 way" whatever ones? 13:13:40 * dihedral checks 13:14:23 <dihedral> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Half_Transmogrified 13:14:35 <dihedral> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Braided_Junction 13:14:43 * edeca invents the "4 dimensional n-way superbad clovercrossmergeogrifier" 13:14:45 <dihedral> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Transmogrified 13:15:20 <edeca> "The slopes and the sharp turns make trains go slower." - north american train set would kill that one :( 13:17:05 <dihedral> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/8_way_Star_Junction <- wtf 13:17:40 <edeca> Woah, someone call the rail police ;) 13:19:21 <dihedral> go five times round just to get to go straight ahead :-D 13:19:56 <canidae> one of my more political friends playing ottd wondered if there's a patch that makes the income depend on the distance from eg. the nearest powerplant/coal mine rather than the distance between the station coal is picked up on and the power station it's delivered to, anyone know something about this? 13:21:20 <petern> gah, no junction templates are needed :o 13:21:38 <dihedral> yeah - get your political friend to join and express himself in a way one can understand it :-P 13:21:43 <edeca> petern: Actually it's useful to look at to learn from :) 13:21:50 <petern> "what not to do"? :p 13:21:56 <edeca> petern: Yeah! 13:22:22 <edeca> dihedral: Translation: "why isn't cargo payment based on the distance between industries, not distance travelled" 13:22:31 <canidae> what? despite some difficulty translating it's not _that_ hard to understand? :p 13:22:43 <canidae> edeca is clever :) 13:22:54 <edeca> Answer is probably that there is no (except cargodest) idea of where goods came from. But maybe I'm wrong. 13:23:04 <edeca> canidae: No, I just work with obscure people. 13:23:04 <petern> you are wrong 13:23:09 <edeca> petern: Good. 13:23:29 <edeca> petern: I thought so, because I couldn't figure how payment would work otherwise (i.e. time in transit) 13:23:30 <petern> cargo payment is *not* based on distance travelled... 13:23:39 <canidae> no, distance from station to station 13:23:42 <canidae> iirc 13:24:20 <canidae> but that means you can bypass several power stations as you earn more by longer distances (to a certain limit) 13:25:32 *** OwenS [~OwenS@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:25:52 <Yexo> canidae: just image your idea is implemented. Now you have a profitable coal mine -> powerplant route (say it's 150 tiles long). You get paid for the whole 150 tiles since there are no other close power plants / coal mines. At this moment a coal mine opens 20 tiles from the powerplant. Should you now only get paid for 20 tiles instead of 150? 13:25:56 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:26:11 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:26:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:26:12 <canidae> Yexo: actually, i asked the very same question :) 13:26:22 <Yexo> canidae: no, you did not 13:26:25 <canidae> Yexo: his opinion is "yes, payment should drop" 13:26:30 <canidae> i asked him the same question :) 13:26:33 <Yexo> ah :) 13:27:08 <canidae> hmm, lemme check log. i think he said something more 13:27:16 *** Gekz__ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:27:18 <edeca> Or perhaps you've got a supermega-steel mill bonanza with 50 feeding lines and 20 consumers, should you get less for delivering *further* to that rather than a local one? 13:28:14 *** Gekz__ is now known as Gekz 13:28:16 <Yexo> or you play with ECS vectors and want to deliver vehicles. (Nearly) all raw cargo industries accept them, but most of the time there are only 1/2 vehicle factories per map 13:28:19 *** Gekz_ is now known as Guest302 13:28:19 *** Gekz is now known as Gekz_ 13:28:28 *** Gekz_ is now known as Gekz 13:28:50 <edeca> Yexo: Heh, my current game has a car factory with a farm right next to it, I'd quite like a little more profit than 1 tile :) 13:28:52 <dihedral> is payment not based also on the rating of the cargo at the station, travel time, etc? 13:29:13 <Yexo> dihedral: no,only on travel time and distance between stations 13:29:19 <Yexo> between station flags actually 13:29:33 <edeca> Yexo: station flags? 13:29:50 <Yexo> station labels, the sign with the station name 13:29:51 *** Guest302 [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:30:07 * dihedral hugs distant join stations 13:30:16 <canidae> he added "it's possible it should be based on that someone else delivers to a lower price" 13:30:34 <edeca> Yexo: Got it, thanks 13:30:42 <dihedral> to the same power plant or in the map canidae 13:30:52 <Yexo> canidae: I agree that the economic model of openttd could use some improvement, but it's not that simple 13:31:06 <edeca> dihedral: Yeah, they lead to some interesting uses. Like building a 1x1 station (or even a pretty newgrf tile) next to an industry and the main station miles away. Same for stations in towns 13:31:12 <edeca> dihedral: Though I try not to 'cheat' like that :) 13:31:33 *** angelo [angelo@ppp9-23.adsl.forthnet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:31:47 <dihedral> Yexo, how come then, if time did not matter, i could have a maglev line and a steamer line, and the mag lev makes more cash? 13:32:09 <Yexo> dihedral: travel times matters, just station rating does not 13:32:14 <dihedral> edeca: that is not cheating 13:32:16 <canidae> dihedral: either to the same power plant or from the same coal mine. i'm not sure what makes more sense, economics isn't my thing 13:32:23 <dihedral> and a pretty newgrf tile is also a station in those situations 13:32:24 <Gekz> dihedral: it is cheating lol. 13:32:41 <dihedral> Yexo, ah 13:32:48 <dihedral> it's not cheating 13:32:55 <dihedral> it's a feature 13:33:04 <Yexo> cheats are a feature too! 13:33:07 <edeca> dihedral: Heh well it can be abused for interesting purposes :) 13:33:16 <dihedral> not that much though 13:33:18 <Gekz> it's merely an exploitable feature 13:33:20 <Gekz> thus a cheat. 13:33:27 <dihedral> Gekz, tell you something shall i? 13:33:33 <Rubidium> well... just finish cargodest and then add the possibility for cargo to get destinations before they get to the station (i.e. destinations where there's no station yet like iirc simutrans) 13:33:34 <Gekz> all because it's a loophole doesnt make it ethically incorrect. 13:33:39 <Gekz> :) 13:34:00 <dihedral> i worked for a company where all rma requests (over 600 appliances) were shipped to taiwan and back, just for repairs, and we made a profit 13:34:07 <dihedral> the client never got to know that had happened 13:34:08 <edeca> Rubidium: I don't follow what you mean about "destinations where there's no station yet"? 13:34:11 <Gekz> Rubidium: 1200 people want to go to a town with the population of 8! 13:34:22 <Gekz> edeca: people want to go to a town 13:34:28 <Gekz> so you put a station there 13:34:32 <edeca> Gekz: Ah yes. 13:34:49 <edeca> Gekz: But would that show up as current demand, or potential but unfilled demand? 13:34:49 <dihedral> Geks: perhaps over the entire map yes :-P 13:34:56 <edeca> Gekz: i.e. does it affect your passenger rating? 13:34:57 <Rubidium> 'current' cargodest: when cargo gets to the 'origin' station it gets a destination somewhere reachable from that staton 13:35:06 <Gekz> edeca: meh. 13:35:18 <dihedral> Rubidium, which is tricky :-P 13:35:33 <dihedral> because sometimes it picks stations where the transport link cannot hold the load 13:35:33 <Rubidium> what I propose is that it determines a destination to any place (reachable or not) as extra difficulty 13:35:46 <dihedral> subsidy sorted :-D 13:35:58 <dihedral> if there is no link for that route, you get the subsidy :-D 13:36:39 <canidae> Rubidium: that sounds pretty cool, would make the game more challenging 13:36:51 <Rubidium> so no cargodest == easiest, cargodest to reachable station == 'medium', cargodest to any destination == hard 13:37:04 <Rubidium> just means that someone needs to finish that 13:37:31 <Rubidium> @seen someone 13:37:31 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: someone was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 0 weeks, 4 days, 18 hours, 45 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: * Someone here is gay 13:37:33 <edeca> Rubidium: In hard mode, would you suggest that your rating is affected by not delivering then? 13:37:38 <Rubidium> ^ preferable that someone ;) 13:37:49 <planetmaker> Everyone wants someone to work on it which means effectively noone will do it :P 13:38:43 * Rubidium still has challenges enough without cargodest, so I don't need it 13:38:57 <planetmaker> @seen noone 13:38:57 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: I have not seen noone. 13:39:03 <planetmaker> :P 13:39:16 <canidae> @seen anyone 13:39:17 <DorpsGek> canidae: I have not seen anyone. 13:39:25 <Rubidium> client_name planetmaker noone 13:39:37 <Rubidium> dihedral: IT DOESN'T WORK! :( 13:39:39 <petern> implement supply and demand... 13:40:03 <petern> you set your own prices and the industries choose which to use :p 13:41:15 <Yexo> petern: seen http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=41534 ? 13:45:54 <dihedral> Rubidium, hehe :-) 13:46:16 <dihedral> Rubidium, it's client_name <client-id> <new-name> 13:46:17 <dihedral> ;-) 13:46:30 *** planetmaker is now known as noone 13:46:49 * noone also is present now 13:46:53 * Rubidium slaps noone into writing what noone wants to write 13:47:00 <dihedral> well, then you can do all the work noone 13:47:11 <dihedral> Rubidium, "wants" :-D 13:47:28 * noone doesn't do somebody's work :P 13:47:40 <noone> actually it's a registered nick :P 13:47:43 <dihedral> good, because it's anyones work actually :-P 13:47:49 <dihedral> lol 13:48:10 <dihedral> i should register 'nickserve' .... enough people mistype it when they want to identify :-D 13:48:24 *** noone is now known as planetmaker 13:49:18 <planetmaker> @seen noone 13:49:18 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: noone was last seen in #openttd 1 minute and 38 seconds ago: <noone> actually it's a registered nick :P 13:49:28 <planetmaker> darn 13:49:38 <dihedral> you could have left a more clever nick 13:49:59 <planetmaker> message? 13:50:01 <planetmaker> yeah 13:52:25 <edeca> Yexo: That's quite cool (though the idea isn't explained well by the screenshots) 13:52:52 <edeca> Yexo: The economy throughout the year could also give rise to changing prices, could even possibly store some goods (e.g. wheat) in specialised stations 13:53:33 <Yexo> edeca: 1) It wasn't my idea nor my patch. 2) the patch is a complete mess 13:55:51 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:56:14 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@141.114.197.20] has joined #openttd 13:57:25 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-124-187-1-9.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 13:58:24 <edeca> Yexo: Eh I just mean it's the beginnings of a good *idea*, implementation aside 14:04:14 *** Elukka [~elukka.el@bb-89-166-45-150.dsl.phnet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:05:16 <Elukka> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/BlackMesa29thJun1945.png?t=1233237910 14:05:20 <Elukka> i think those are my longest trains so far.. 14:08:08 <SmatZ> hmm I should play Half-Life once agaain... 14:08:08 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:12 <edeca> Elukka: Sheesh, do they even accelerate? :) 14:08:17 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:08:27 <Elukka> i have 4x cargo weight 14:08:39 <Elukka> they go to full speed just after they clear the station 14:08:45 <Elukka> well, full speed is 88 kph... 14:09:31 <edeca> Elukka: And hills? 14:09:32 <dihedral> SmatZ, the oldie game or 2? 14:09:55 <Elukka> there's only one slope 14:10:01 <Elukka> those locos are powerful :P 14:10:58 <edeca> I'm starting to prefer more shorter trains in general, except for really long-haul 14:11:28 <Elukka> long trains look cooler :P 14:11:38 <Elukka> also, when that line was started there really wasnt money for more locos 14:12:47 <SmatZ> dihedral: both of them :) though I finished HL ~10 times, but HL2 only once ;) 14:13:03 <SmatZ> I was very impressed by HL speedrun :) 14:13:55 <SmatZ> http://speeddemosarchive.com/HalfLife.html#hardscripts finished HL in 31 minutes... 14:14:01 <SmatZ> impressive "hacks" ;) 14:15:34 <dihedral> SmatZ, i had scripts that would make hl2 go into bullet time, which was a bunch of fun too 14:15:38 <dihedral> just took longer to play :-D 14:16:19 <SmatZ> :-D 14:17:05 <dihedral> SmatZ, you also play css? 14:17:34 <SmatZ> dihedral: ont much, I didn't have original CD key... 14:17:45 <dihedral> ... 14:17:47 <SmatZ> but CS is too boring for me :( 14:17:51 <dihedral> :-( 14:17:54 <SmatZ> I played UT99 a lot :) 14:18:02 <petern> 99? 14:19:03 <SmatZ> the original unreal tournament, not 2003, not 2004 14:19:13 <petern> oh 14:19:15 <petern> just "UT" then :p 14:19:21 <SmatZ> :) 14:19:49 <Belugas> hell re-starts.. 14:19:50 <petern> hmm, i have it installed at thome 14:19:52 <edeca> petern: Are you eversoslightly pedantic in real life? :) 14:20:18 <SmatZ> I don't... 14:22:28 <petern> -t :o 14:27:34 *** andy` [andy@cassarossa.samfundet.no] has joined #openttd 14:28:20 <canidae> andy`: shoo! 14:28:30 <andy`> canidae: nu-uh 14:28:33 <canidae> :\ 14:28:36 <andy`> :D 14:29:21 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet613.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:30:30 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:31:11 *** Zorni [zorn@e177235042.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:31:41 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejm253.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 14:37:09 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet613.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:37:55 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:38:30 *** Zorn [zorn@e177235042.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:28 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 14:42:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:46:59 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 14:47:37 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:52:03 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.110] has joined #openttd 14:52:17 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:21 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet613.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16:41 <petern> lol, another 'undo' thread... 15:16:55 <edeca> petern: Where? 15:17:02 * edeca is too lazy to look 15:20:10 <dihedral> yes, quite annoying 15:20:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, quite ignoring 15:20:38 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 15:21:32 <petern> Quite. 15:25:01 <Eddi|zuHause> "Trains have to turn right to go left." <- i wished they would scrap that sentence from every junction... 15:25:15 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25:38 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: You prefer "it's a bit backwards, guv" ? 15:25:44 <lewymati> hey 15:25:46 <lewymati> i have problem 15:25:53 <lewymati> im trying to play on LAN 15:26:12 <lewymati> after client join to my server 15:26:12 <Eddi|zuHause> edeca: it is just irrelevant 15:26:30 <lewymati> its being disconected 15:26:35 <lewymati> "connection lost" 15:26:41 <Roest> but what if trains have to go right to go left 15:26:46 <lewymati> tryied already few times 15:26:50 <lewymati> what could be the reason? 15:26:57 <Roest> clinet is the same version? 15:26:57 <Eddi|zuHause> all rail pathfinders handle the complete path 15:27:08 <Eddi|zuHause> so trains will not go lost 15:27:10 <Roest> client* 15:27:16 <lewymati> yes 15:27:23 <SmatZ> only YAPF does 15:27:25 <Roest> firewall settings? 15:28:00 <lewymati> hmm 15:28:07 <Eddi|zuHause> "Speculation of angled track in the nightly builds under existing bridges" <- that looks not very up to date :p 15:28:12 <lewymati> lemme check 15:28:55 <lewymati> firewall looks fine 15:30:11 <lewymati> ok, it was client firewall i guess 15:30:54 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: all train pathfinders are A* based, and find a path, if it exists 15:31:59 <Eddi|zuHause> YAPF is mostly feature-equivalent to NPF. it is only optimised for speed 15:32:15 <petern> major caching 15:32:39 <Eddi|zuHause> NTP is also a complete pathfinder, but not very extendible, which was the reason for developing NPF 15:33:07 <Eddi|zuHause> and OTP was removed from pathfinder options long before i found out about OpenTTD 15:34:16 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@141.114.197.20] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:34:37 <Eddi|zuHause> the only actual difference (except penalties) that i know of is that YAPF can handle paths that involve turning around in a depot 15:34:42 <petern> hence ideas about removing NTP/NPF that got forgotten... 15:35:28 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: Does anybody use those as a real path? 15:35:34 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: what about hash collisions? 15:35:41 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: Does it help with forced servicing or something? 15:35:52 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: i don't understand the question. 15:35:55 <SmatZ> petern: http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/opf_ntp.diff not really forgotten... 15:36:09 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejm253.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 15:36:12 <Eddi|zuHause> edeca: yes, forced servicing. some people seem to do that 15:36:21 <petern> SmatZ, and NPF! 15:36:33 <petern> is there any reason to have NPF? 15:36:41 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: NTP uses static tables when it's searching 15:37:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know anything about the internals of NTP 15:37:22 <SmatZ> petern: actually, the major problem are ships... 15:37:28 <SmatZ> CPU load with many ships... 15:37:42 <petern> SmatZ, that affects NPF too 15:37:53 <petern> hence the original pathfinder is needed for ships 15:38:10 <SmatZ> petern: so you want to remove NPF and leave OPF only for ships? 15:38:30 <petern> i'd *like* yapf for ships to be fixed... 15:38:49 <SmatZ> there are real-game scenarios where either one of PFs does the lowest CPU load 15:38:51 <petern> while OTP is less intensive, it's .... urgh 15:38:56 <SmatZ> hehe 15:39:13 <petern> isn't YAPF helped by having buoys? 15:39:26 <SmatZ> it is 15:39:45 <SmatZ> so is OPF ... OPF won't find a path when buoys are too far from each other 15:39:46 <petern> are they forced now? i believe originally with YAPF you could have orders at any distance... 15:39:50 <petern> yes i know that 15:40:21 <Aali> you need bouys with YAPF now too 15:40:24 <SmatZ> I think they are forced when you create the order, but not when you remove the buoy in the middle 15:40:28 <SmatZ> and similiar situations 15:40:32 <Aali> right 15:41:11 <SmatZ> but it wouldn't be hard to just say "ship is lost" in the situation the next order's destination is too far 15:41:23 <Aali> I was just going to say that :) 15:41:26 <SmatZ> :o) 15:41:34 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 15:42:13 <Aali> and if you do that, you can drop OPF completely 15:42:32 <Aali> YAPF is "good enough" with ships over small distances 15:43:00 <petern> implicit buoys :p 15:43:44 <petern> requires some kind of system to keep them up to date, for example if landscape changes 15:44:01 <petern> hmm 15:44:02 <SpComb> static routing 15:44:03 <petern> maybe not even that 15:44:05 <petern> yes 15:44:10 <petern> cached routes 15:44:53 <Aali> there's just one small problem, someone has to implement it :) 15:45:04 <petern> Aali! such a good volunteer :D 15:45:15 <petern> but then 15:45:18 <petern> isn't yapf cached anyway? 15:45:21 <Aali> sorry, no interest in ships 15:45:47 <petern> or ... that was the problem, it only caches nodes, and each water tile is a node? 15:45:49 <Aali> yapf caches rail layouts, no? not per-vehicle? 15:45:53 <SmatZ> YAPF is cached 15:45:59 <SmatZ> petern: I think so 15:46:10 <SmatZ> maybe even each trackdir is a node 15:46:17 <petern> it's not 15:46:20 <petern> junctions are 15:46:32 <SmatZ> but in water, there is a junction at each tile 15:46:34 <petern> ye 15:46:51 <petern> so can yapf cache a node list... hmm 15:47:29 <SmatZ> // YAPF type 1 - uses TileIndex/Trackdir as Node key, allows 90-deg turns 15:47:43 <Eddi|zuHause> Aali: yapf caches rail segments, i.e. continuous stripes of rail without junctions 15:48:10 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:48:16 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: and signals? 15:48:32 <Aali> Eddi|zuHause: which is what I meant to say 15:48:49 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: i think signal penalties are done differently 15:49:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. the segment cost considers the signals, but not the signal state 15:49:27 <Aali> actual signal penalties are recalculated every time, no? 15:49:29 <Eddi|zuHause> but i'm not sure 15:49:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Aali: for the first 10 signals, and the last signal, the signal state is calculated 15:50:50 <Eddi|zuHause> the number of 10 is configurable, i think 15:51:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe it was chosen with coop-style rail networks in mind, with signals every 2 tiles 15:51:29 <Eddi|zuHause> with "sparse" signalling, you could probably get away with 2 or 3 signals 15:52:04 <Eddi|zuHause> also, signal state is kind of meaningless with path signals 15:52:35 <edeca> Sheesh, signals every other tile? 15:52:46 <petern> yes, idiots, the lot of them 15:53:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe the signal penalty calculation was not updated for the default-red signals 15:53:22 <Eddi|zuHause> which may get you weird results 15:54:23 <petern> hmm 15:54:24 <glx> edeca: luckily it's now possible to build bridges over signals 15:54:28 <petern> possilbe 15:54:30 <petern> *possible 15:55:20 <petern> argh, people :/ 15:55:29 <petern> "don't get a TN display, they suck" 15:56:14 <petern> neglecting to mention that other types have more latency 15:57:23 <edeca> glx: Yeah, whoever implemented signals/diagonal track under bridges deserves a big thank you :) 16:01:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.211.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:20 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:07:29 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.110] has joined #openttd 16:08:04 <edeca> Mm, I've just tried gnome for the first time in ages and it's actually quite nice 16:08:07 <Eddi|zuHause> that were tron and celestar, afair 16:08:11 <petern> mostly tron 16:09:05 <Belugas> and rushed in by celestar, against tron's permission. based on tron's opinion, it was not ready to hit trunk 16:09:19 <petern> well it did have a few bugs :) 16:10:09 <goodger> afternooning 16:10:10 *** Lisby [~Lisby@x1-6-00-17-3f-55-57-df.k180.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10:26 <petern> hello mr publisher 16:10:53 <goodger> hello mr, ah, n 16:12:26 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FE46.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:14:35 <Belugas> indeed there were :) 16:14:46 <Belugas> plus, iirc, tron had many more stuff he wanted to add 16:14:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Yexo * r15295 /trunk/src/road.cpp: -Fix [FS#2591] (r15190): Towns tried to build roads outside the map. 16:15:56 <edeca> Belugas: More stuff like what? 16:17:14 <Belugas> all was in his head 16:17:18 <SpComb> heh... is the freeform map edges thing in trunk now? :) 16:17:47 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:18:06 <Belugas> is it? ho.. my... is it really ?please... tell me it is.... 16:18:18 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you are imagining this 16:20:17 * Belugas goes back to sleep... heerrr to work 16:22:25 <SpComb> all those invalid-tile behaviour things seem to hint at it 16:22:30 <Sacro> Belugas: to peruse some gentlemens' magazines? 16:22:38 <SpComb> there's a lot of assumptions in the OpentTTD code about the edge tiles of the map 16:23:35 <Yexo> SpComb: not anymore 16:24:26 <SpComb> did you fix all the unsigned-integer map indexes used in while loops? 16:24:40 <SpComb> they would wrap right around to four billion if initialized to zero 16:25:59 <Belugas> Sacro, i[ve got a wife. yuo know, a REAL woman? no need paper dolls, me ;) 16:26:19 <Sacro> Belugas: pfft :p 16:26:24 <petern> i don't know if Sacro is aware of such things 16:27:44 <Yexo> SpComb: if you find any cases, please report them. openttd will assert / crash soon enough if you encounter one 16:31:38 <SpComb> hmm, sorry, that was ScaleByMapSize 16:32:17 <SpComb> the use of TileOffsByDiagDir was another one, running that on a tile at the edge was fatal 16:32:24 <SpComb> *TileOffsByDiagDir loops 16:33:51 <Yexo> SpComb: if you enable the setting, the tiles at the north border are MP_VOID tiles (so a 64x64 map is actually 62x62), most thing only run those TileOffsByDiagDir only on valid tiles 16:34:05 <SpComb> hmmk 16:36:31 *** luis [~luis@20158014006.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 16:36:52 *** luis [~luis@20158014006.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:54 *** lhrios [~luis@20158014006.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 16:44:11 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 16:46:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.211.205] has joined #openttd 16:46:13 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Cheese Error +++] 16:47:57 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 16:48:55 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49:34 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 16:56:06 *** lhrios [~luis@20158014006.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:30 *** lhrios [~luis@20158014006.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 16:57:23 *** angelo [angelo@193.92.198.8] has joined #openttd 16:59:02 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 16:59:17 *** lhrios [~luis@20158014006.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:19 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:00:33 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:49 *** Lisby [~Lisby@x1-6-00-17-3f-55-57-df.k180.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 17:17:43 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e180234100.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:39:10 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:39:24 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=39481&p=760918#p760918 <-- Eddi|zuHause , dihedral , do you agree to my reasoning? 17:39:26 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:41:03 <dihedral> what does the english say? 17:41:10 <Roest> pm why do you let me know? 17:41:29 <planetmaker> eu? 17:41:31 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.106.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:42:56 <planetmaker> {WHITE}{TOWN} local authority refuses permission for airport due to noise concerns <-- @ dihedral 17:43:02 <planetmaker> Roest: do I? 17:43:10 <Roest> yea 17:43:21 <planetmaker> if you're that Ralph of the German translation, then yes 17:43:34 <Roest> ^^ not that one, just one 17:43:37 <planetmaker> Because that Ralph obviously overwrote my submission :) 17:43:42 <Eddi|zuHause> the english one seems to be missing a pronoun 17:44:01 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: sure? Sounds ok to me in English 17:44:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd put a "this" in there 17:44:33 <Eddi|zuHause> as well as a "dieses" in the german translation 17:45:01 <planetmaker> des or dieses doesn't matter, does it? 17:45:15 <Roest> i'd actually would make it local authority refuses permission for aiport construction 17:45:39 <Roest> -'d 17:45:39 <planetmaker> Roest: no. Noise is the reason which needs to be mentioned 17:45:49 <Eddi|zuHause> and i'd put "aus LÀrmschutzgrÃŒnden" at the end 17:45:56 <Roest> yea of course 17:46:04 <dihedral> Laermschutzregulierung :-D 17:46:26 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:46:37 <dihedral> pm, i think your translation is correct 17:46:51 <Roest> sigh 17:47:06 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: also there: I think the important fact should be stressed by putting it last: you may not :P 17:48:08 <planetmaker> but I don't mind either. Most important to me is that not a general refusal can be read out of the message :) 17:48:37 <Eddi|zuHause> the important fact is not that it was refused, but why it was refused 17:48:42 <planetmaker> Like: you may build Tempelhof near the city centre. But not Berlin-Brandenburg international :) 17:48:52 <Eddi|zuHause> that it was refused can be seen by the red box appearing 17:49:07 <Roest> how about "town says no" 17:49:53 <planetmaker> my hirarchy is: error->error type->error reason :) 17:51:01 <planetmaker> it would IMO be more important to know (and distinguish) between "land isn't level enough" and "not allowed to build" 17:51:09 <Eddi|zuHause> and my reasoning is that the error type is already heavily influenced by the context action 17:52:23 <Eddi|zuHause> there are only few error types which can be caused by an action, the error reason is already enough to distinguish 17:52:26 <planetmaker> but when building an airport, you can get both of those types: "not suitable", "not allowed", "already owned" probably, too 17:53:04 <Eddi|zuHause> error type is important if there are many error reasons for one type 17:53:27 <dihedral> i need a netbubbles (www.netbubbles.de) or something of that nature 17:53:45 <Roest> are you an admin? 17:54:39 <Eddi|zuHause> not allowed: town rating, and not allowed: noise limit are the only reasons for that type (or did i miss one) 17:55:09 <Eddi|zuHause> and either of these reasons already imply the type 17:55:20 <dihedral> Roest, i am on the admin and one of the dev teams 17:56:11 <Roest> hmm u could link it to the number of trains in a public game 17:56:36 <dihedral> i am gonna link it to the build status on the continuous integration server 17:57:03 <Roest> Derzeit können leider keine Bestellungen angenommen werden! too bad 17:57:59 <dihedral> well, the guy lives here in karlsruhe 17:58:02 <dihedral> i have his address :-P 17:58:04 <Roest> 198 euro not exactly cheap 17:58:18 <dihedral> not exactly a log 17:58:22 <dihedral> *lot 17:59:11 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: Those are the messages which the local authority may return. And therefore... you know faster that it's noise, if it isn't last in the sentence. 17:59:19 <planetmaker> and I think it sounds better :P 18:00:19 <Eddi|zuHause> what? the first and the last part of the sentence are easiest to read, the middle falls under the table if you are just skimming a text 18:00:51 <Belugas> or drunk 18:01:20 <planetmaker> :P 18:01:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffe4d.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 18:01:36 <planetmaker> omg, dihedral . You'd end up as mega geek, if you buy that! 18:01:53 <dihedral> pm: nope 18:01:58 <dihedral> it's awsome 18:02:06 <planetmaker> ok. you are :D 18:02:07 <Roest> geeksome 18:02:17 <dihedral> if you get to trigger bubbles and light changes correctly 18:02:47 <planetmaker> you got a point with that, Eddi|zuHause 18:03:42 <planetmaker> still it sounds to my ears worse. 18:04:34 <dihedral> pm: i just need an alternative, as i cannot order that very thing 18:04:50 <planetmaker> dihedral: do it yourself :) 18:05:03 <dihedral> not enough time for that 18:05:15 <dihedral> ausbildungs projekt arbeit 18:05:17 <Roest> dihedral i think 10 of those would be totally awesome 18:05:21 <planetmaker> should be feasable. Nice weekend project, if you know the hardware and software stuff. 18:05:44 <dihedral> well... communicating with the hardware will be easiest 18:05:57 <planetmaker> actually... it might indeed be a nice semester task, too :) 18:06:49 <dihedral> you want to build it for me? 18:06:56 <dihedral> company will buy it from you :P 18:07:49 <Roest> your boss will want it in his office and will ask you why your websites aren't bubbling enough 18:08:18 <dihedral> the thing will be in the office of the dev team i work with 18:08:37 <dihedral> and after that there will be another one for the other dev office 18:11:21 <Sacro> hmm` 18:19:19 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:19:35 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:20:53 <petern> http://villageofjoy.com/50-strange-buildings-of-the-world/ 18:21:17 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 18:23:02 <Roest> nice peter, maybe architecture isnt dead after all 18:23:17 <petern> especially 16 ;) 18:23:23 <thingwath> isn't the number 16 that strange thing from ttd? 18:23:25 <thingwath> oh. :) 18:24:06 <Roest> lol @ 30 18:25:37 <thingwath> that is more an sculpture than architecture, isn't it? 18:32:53 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:33:24 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 18:34:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.219.120] has joined #openttd 18:39:44 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, they have the hundertwasser building in darmstadt, but not the one in wien 18:40:44 <Belugas> god bless ya 18:41:01 <Roest> belugas 18:41:19 <Belugas> roest 18:41:25 <Roest> need more realism hehe 18:41:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.211.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:41:41 <Belugas> count down started 18:41:42 <Belugas> 5 18:41:48 <Roest> eck 18:41:49 <Belugas> 4 18:41:50 <Roest> eek 18:41:55 <Belugas> 3 18:41:55 <Roest> i take it back 18:42:00 <Belugas> good :) 18:42:02 <Roest> need less realism 18:42:06 <Belugas> lucky for ya 18:42:16 * Belugas pats Roest 18:42:26 <Roest> pheew 18:42:42 <Roest> how about an undo button? 18:43:10 <dihedral> he's really asking for it 18:43:16 <Roest> ^^ 18:44:44 <Yexo> what is the easiest way to contact a translater? habell managed to translate "Manual" to "handleiding". A correct translation, but 100% wrong in context 18:45:53 <dihedral> hihi 18:46:14 <dihedral> is there not an email feature for notifying translators? 18:46:18 <dihedral> or is that still duff? 18:46:58 <Roest> i also want to contact this dutch guy 18:47:26 <Roest> i still wanna know how they make tomatoes from water 18:47:27 *** Combuster is now known as [gone]buster 18:47:44 <dihedral> where is the bus? 18:47:52 <Belugas> at the corner 18:47:56 <Belugas> waiting for you 18:47:58 <Belugas> run! 18:48:04 <Belugas> shit... you've mist it 18:48:12 <dihedral> i mean the bus with all the people inside who want to know 18:48:17 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:48:29 <Wolf01> ! 18:48:35 <Roest> ? 18:48:38 <dihedral> oi 18:49:42 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 18:51:14 *** SpComb^ [terom@fixme.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:52:25 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 18:54:55 <Belugas> blue buss! 18:54:59 <Belugas> magic Buss! 18:55:11 <petern> canna buss 18:55:11 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [] 18:55:26 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:53 <Belugas> kinda buzz 18:58:23 <petern> it's a kinda magic 18:59:15 <dihedral> a kind a magi-i-c 18:59:35 <Sacro> one dream, one goal 18:59:46 <Sacro> one prize, one soul 19:01:42 <petern> wrong way around 19:01:46 <petern> one golden glance 19:01:48 <petern> of what should b 19:01:50 <petern> +e 19:02:12 <dihedral> it's a kind of magic 19:03:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i even know this song :p 19:04:14 <Sacro> a flash of light 19:04:29 <Roest> hmm every tape that spends enough time in a car radio turns into a queen album 19:05:06 <Sacro> or meatloaf 19:06:10 <dihedral> brian may's son was once in the class my aunt tought 19:06:14 <dihedral> :-P 19:07:25 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:16 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:11:50 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 19:18:29 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:21:33 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 19:29:08 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:25 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:42:56 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 19:43:34 *** Tim-itry [~Tim@p5B37F547.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:16:31 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:17:07 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:21:43 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:10 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FE46.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:24:23 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:24:35 *** mortal` is now known as Mortal 20:43:55 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e180234100.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:43:55 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e180234100.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:43:55 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 20:49:10 <el_en> http://www.kuvalauta.fi/b/src/123325512598.jpg 20:49:56 <Roest> hmm a green spongebob 20:51:06 <Roest> http://schurade.googlepages.com/lego.jpg 20:51:20 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 20:52:23 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:00:41 <el_en> what happens if the disks of mirrored hardware RAID are changed to bigger ones? 21:01:10 <Wolf01> shit happens 21:01:25 <el_en> wrong answer. 21:01:30 <Roest> i read today is the 60th aniversary of murphy's law 21:01:33 <Eddi|zuHause> el_en: the bigger drive is only partially used 21:02:15 <el_en> Eddi|zuHause: what about when eventually both disks are bigger than initially, and equal size? 21:02:52 <Eddi|zuHause> then you need to look if your raid controller has an "expand" feature 21:03:23 <Eddi|zuHause> and afterwards, expand the filesystem 21:04:35 <el_en> oh, it has "* Online Capacity Expansion and RAID Level Migration. " 21:05:03 *** davis_ [~iloveme@p5B28CFD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:44 <el_en> cool. and thanks. 21:11:01 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-156-87.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:12:57 <edeca> el_en: You mean, JBOD :) 21:14:29 <edeca> el_en: Is it real RAID, or fake RAID? 21:15:14 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-140-66-59.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:15:14 <el_en> very real, i wouldn't have written "hardware" otherwise. 21:15:30 <edeca> el_en: Even some hardware cards aren't real raid :) 21:15:45 <edeca> el_en: And no onboard 'hardware' RAID on desktop motherboards is real 21:16:02 <el_en> 3ware 9650SE, PCI-E. 21:16:32 <edeca> That's real enough :P 21:16:34 <Eddi|zuHause> that heavily depends on the definiton of "real" 21:16:59 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: Doesn't do processor offload is #1 21:17:11 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: Battery backup for #2 (especially for RAID5) 21:17:26 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: Doesn't need shitty 'drivers' should probably be #1.5, but that normally comes with #1 21:18:00 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: Has more memory than my wristwatch? :P 21:18:51 <el_en> when the boss gave us big enough budget for a new server, i had no intention of wasting money on a fake raid. 21:19:44 <edeca> el_en: Heh sorry, I get grumpy when so many people on IRC brag about their amazing RAID setups and then moan that they don't wory right 21:20:34 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-140-66-59.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:40 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-140-66-59.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:21:02 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-140-66-59.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:21:37 <el_en> that card costs something like 350 euros. 4 ports. 21:21:39 * edeca takes a chill pill 21:22:14 <edeca> I got burned by RAID once, since then I'm careful. 21:22:40 <Aali> I have an amazing software RAID setup, ph33r me! 21:23:09 <edeca> Aali: There's *nothing* wrong with software RAID if you understand it ;) 21:23:30 <Aali> indeed 21:23:39 <Eddi|zuHause> what was your problem? switching raid controllers? 21:23:43 <Aali> and the box is pretty powerful and does nothing but serve files 21:23:53 <Aali> so I actually get great performance 21:24:21 <el_en> the fact that the root usually can't be on RAID makes software RAID less fault-tolerant. 21:24:32 <Roest> raid for speed or for safety? 21:24:41 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: Nah, mirrored 2 disks. Both filled (due to my wonky scripting probably). Then a block died on one, which killed the filesystem. fsck couldn't run because of the lack of space. I forget what happened to the backup drive, I think it was dead 21:24:48 <edeca> Roest: Both! But in different circumstances ;) 21:24:56 <Aali> I only need speed though 21:24:58 <edeca> el_en: It can in linux with a suitable initrd? 21:25:03 <Eddi|zuHause> el_en: root? that should not be a problem, at most /boot is 21:25:09 <Aali> I have an unmirrored stripe array 21:25:23 <Aali> all the data on it can be recreated from various sources 21:25:44 <Roest> maybe i'm lucky but i havent had a hd fail in 20 years 21:25:48 <Eddi|zuHause> stripe is nasty... if one HD fails, the whole data is lost, not only the data on that failed disk 21:26:04 <Roest> so maybe some day i'll care about raids 21:26:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a failing hard drive 21:26:11 <edeca> Roest: What manufacturer for HDDs? 21:26:17 <Roest> until that i live in my own happy world 21:26:30 <Eddi|zuHause> and i am lacking like 100GB space to empty it, and send it in for possible warranty replacement 21:26:43 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: Setup a few gmail accounts! 21:26:43 <Roest> i had IBMs through the 90s, now it's samsung 21:26:59 <el_en> edeca: well yes, in redhat-based distros the installer creates the root and /boot on raid, iirc. 21:27:00 <edeca> Roest: Yeah, I want a 500GB F1, but nobody stocks them any more :( 21:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause> edeca: how many years do you expect me to upload this stuff at 64kbit? 21:27:11 <edeca> Roest: I looked at some specs, the samsungs look great 21:27:14 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: Just a few! 21:27:28 <edeca> el_en: Yeah, same for most if you don't install custom :( 21:27:37 <Eddi|zuHause> until then, i have no reason to bother with warranty anymore 21:27:41 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest342 21:27:42 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:29:12 *** Lisby^ [~Lisby@x1-6-00-17-3f-55-57-df.k180.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 21:29:20 *** Lisby [~Lisby@x1-6-00-17-3f-55-57-df.k180.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:30:07 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: Besides, 100GB of disk space now is about EUR20! 21:30:34 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but i already bought a new 1TB HD for christmas 21:30:52 <Eddi|zuHause> half of which i got sponsored 21:31:42 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: As long as it wasn't a Seagate ;) 21:32:09 <Eddi|zuHause> the failing one is a seagate (but i think earlier model) 21:32:16 <Eddi|zuHause> the new one was a western digital 21:32:16 <Roest> would that be worse than WD? 21:32:18 *** Guest342 [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:32:22 <Roest> oops :) 21:32:31 * edeca loves WD 21:32:35 <edeca> Shame about their finances ;) 21:33:48 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:33:48 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest343 21:33:48 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 21:34:10 <el_en> kind of surprising that an Intel server motherboard has an integrated Matrox graphics card. 21:34:34 <Roest> matrox mystique! 21:34:52 <el_en> and the motherboard also has EFI besides BIOS, how common is that? 21:35:02 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.43.155] has quit [Quit: An exit status of zero indicates success, and a nonzero value indicates failure.] 21:35:05 <edeca> el_en: It's new 21:35:11 <edeca> el_en: Intel are leading the development 21:35:11 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.43.155] has joined #openttd 21:35:31 <Roest> i dont know why i just said that 21:36:36 <Wolf01> 'night 21:36:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:40:23 *** Guest343 [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:48:00 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:22 <el_en> does anyone know why a user cannot log in to VMware Server 2.0 even though the group he belongs to is given the Administrator role in setup? 21:50:14 <el_en> giving the same role to the specific user does grant him the access to log in. 21:50:31 <edeca> Maybe you need to refit the engines? Or use PBS? Crikey, check #vmware on freenode ;) 21:51:18 *** Zorn [zorn@e177235042.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:51:19 <el_en> yes, forgot to mention, no additional grfs loaded in VMware! 21:51:51 <glx> el_en: create a new account for it 21:51:57 <glx> it requires a password 21:52:28 <glx> (and I hate the web interface :) ) 21:53:12 <glx> and autofit guest doesn't work 21:53:22 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffe4d.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:36 <el_en> glx: i didn't notice any option to create accounts, and the system accounts and passwords seem to work otherwise. 21:54:40 <Roest> el_en you the the vmware total conversion renewal grf 21:55:07 <Roest> you need* 21:55:09 <glx> el_en: yes I needed to create a new windows user with a password 21:55:23 <el_en> ugh, no windows, linux. 21:55:45 <glx> but I guess it's similar with linux :) 21:55:58 <glx> a user with password and correct rights 21:56:23 <el_en> did you try granting access to groups? 21:56:54 <el_en> because giving the administrator role to individual users seems to work, but giving it to a group does not. 21:57:00 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:57:28 <el_en> and wtf is the point of giving role (i.e. access) to a group if it doesn't imply that users of that group can enter. 21:57:32 <glx> I have "vmware" member of "Admins" 21:58:18 <el_en> "vmware" is a group? 21:58:24 <glx> no it's a user 21:58:32 <petern> mmm, worms, in a can 21:58:38 *** Zorni [zorn@e177235042.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:58:47 <Roest> out of the can 21:58:48 <glx> my other admin users don't have a password ;) 21:59:35 <el_en> m'kay, well since there are only 3 or 4 people who need the access, i might as well list them separately, but would be more elegant just to list the group. 21:59:48 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:00:00 <el_en> since giving access to individual users does seem to work, and they can log in. 22:00:04 <Roest> wait you have admin user without a password? 22:00:19 <glx> I have a __vmware__ group but I don't know what it does 22:00:31 <el_en> Roest: is that surprising on windows? 22:01:12 <glx> Roest: yes my normal login doesn't have a password (mono user desktop) 22:01:17 <Roest> i would call it surprising for a system administrated by someone who knows what he's doing 22:01:55 <glx> the only way to login is to be in front of my computer 22:02:33 <Roest> and you have to clear the mine field to get there, if you passed the electric wiring 22:03:47 <Eddi|zuHause> you got to praise the person at microsoft who was wise enough to not allow remote login to users without password :p 22:04:14 *** bandi_zz [~user@catv4E5CAA38.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 22:04:39 <bandi_zz> hi 22:04:45 <Roest> hi 22:04:48 <el_en> hi 22:04:49 <Yexo> hello bandi_zz 22:04:58 <bandi_zz> any developers around? 22:05:05 <Yexo> yes 22:05:06 <Roest> ---> 22:05:08 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: So that's on MS developer saved from hell 22:05:21 <bandi_zz> nice :-) 22:05:40 <bandi_zz> so I have a question about this hot new feature, called bananas 22:05:51 <Roest> yellow and curvy 22:05:54 <bandi_zz> It works very nicely :-) 22:06:09 <bandi_zz> not exactly that type of question 22:06:20 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 22:06:23 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 22:07:07 <bandi_zz> when I select a feature like an AI or grf 22:07:13 <bandi_zz> I can see its version 22:07:39 <bandi_zz> would it be possible to see the release/upload date as well 22:07:46 <glx> why? 22:07:50 <bandi_zz> you know, just to feel its age 22:08:02 <glx> if there's a new version you are warned 22:08:05 <bandi_zz> opengfx 2.4 alpha doesn't mean much 22:08:15 <bandi_zz> ah :-) nice feat. 22:08:53 <bandi_zz> but if I browse something new, then I can see wheter it is one week old, or like two years 22:09:22 <Roest> that info is kinda useless if there isnt anything newer tho 22:09:25 <glx> upload date are at most 2 weeks old ;) 22:09:36 <bandi_zz> for now :-) 22:09:46 <bandi_zz> maybe it will remain so :-) 22:09:53 <glx> even for 6 months old grfs 22:09:53 <bandi_zz> but I don't think so 22:10:04 <Roest> u still have to make sure your AIs dont evolve into skynet 22:10:18 <bandi_zz> is there a skynet check? 22:10:55 <Roest> http://xkcd.com/534/ 22:11:09 <bandi_zz> okay 22:11:12 <bandi_zz> I know that 22:11:18 <bandi_zz> so you implemented it 22:11:27 <bandi_zz> but in which change set? 22:11:44 <bandi_zz> I don't want to grep through the whole sorce 22:12:47 <Roest> well it's something to be aware of, is your pc collecting raw materials yet or downloading human anatomy files from the net? 22:12:57 <edeca> Roest: Which pays better rates? 22:13:15 <bandi_zz> dunno 22:13:26 <bandi_zz> just playing sudoku, chess and go 22:13:34 <bandi_zz> these kind of stuff 22:13:34 <edeca> Roest: I've got nothing wrong with my computer harvesting organs, as long as I'm earning dollars 22:14:06 <bandi_zz> and I am actually using a laptop 22:14:13 <edeca> bandi_zz: A laptop *computer* 22:14:16 <bandi_zz> does it increase the risks? 22:14:17 <Roest> nothing wrong about that, it's just the take over the world thing that's where it's getting dangerous 22:14:32 <bandi_zz> @edeca ok, that's more precise 22:14:46 <edeca> Roest: Meh, that's why I've got the skynet2000 firewall 22:14:56 <bandi_zz> I can disable the wireless with a press of a button 22:15:06 <bandi_zz> it makes me feel more comfortable 22:15:37 <Belugas> bye bye, nighty night 22:15:50 <Roest> night get some realism 22:16:13 <edeca> Roest: Realism is overrated 22:16:16 <bandi_zz> bye 22:16:54 <bandi_zz> btw it would be nice two sort the industry list according to two aspects 22:16:56 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 22:17:08 <bandi_zz> like type first and production second 22:17:15 <bandi_zz> makes browsing more fun 22:17:20 <Roest> that what the suggestion board is for 22:17:35 <edeca> bandi_zz: That will cost 1/2 a pint of blood. Line up to donate. 22:17:53 <Roest> you can also suggest an undo button while you're at it 22:18:04 <bandi_zz> for sorting? 22:18:15 <bandi_zz> undo sort :-) 22:18:26 <edeca> Roest: Are you drinking? 22:18:36 <Roest> how did oyu find out? 22:18:51 <edeca> Roest: Detective skills. 22:19:30 *** Lisby^ [~Lisby@x1-6-00-17-3f-55-57-df.k180.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:19:56 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:23:38 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:24:35 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:25:33 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 22:25:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 22:28:08 <el_en> glx: btw, do you know if some version of vmware-server-console works with server 2.0, or is the browser add-on the only option? 22:28:36 <glx> I didn't find any other way 22:29:17 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.216] has joined #openttd 22:29:26 <el_en> well crap. 22:30:28 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:35 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82BD5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-67-90.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:37:05 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@justin-gamache-1.um.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 22:37:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82AC7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:37:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:38:33 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9FE58.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:49:16 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:52:59 *** Elukka [~elukka.el@bb-89-166-45-150.dsl.phnet.fi] has quit [] 22:56:45 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:23 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:17:49 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:20:08 *** Tim-itry [~Tim@p5B37F547.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:35 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 23:23:41 *** bandi_zz [~user@catv4E5CAA38.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:26:25 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 23:39:00 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.216] has joined #openttd 23:42:20 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest352 23:42:22 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:42:47 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:42:51 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:43:55 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e180234100.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 23:45:04 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@justin-gamache-1.um.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:45:44 *** Guest352 [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:48:10 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:22 *** OwenS [~OwenS@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:59:49 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]