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00:17:35 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177237011.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:19:39 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:19:56 <Nite_Owl> Hello once again 00:25:07 *** Zorn [~zorn@d138159.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:25:52 *** Nite_Owl_ [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:26:27 <Nite_Owl_> Razzin Frazzin Frickel Frakell 00:26:46 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 00:26:48 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26:58 *** Nite_Owl_ is now known as Nite_Owl 00:39:38 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 00:42:19 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:42:49 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E324.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:45:27 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.29.130] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!] 00:46:55 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.104.203] has joined #openttd 01:10:10 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has left #openttd [] 01:10:38 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16035 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix: dash wasn't able to run iconv detection 01:14:26 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db02993.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: gn8] 01:23:35 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 01:36:04 *** draconnier [~svencanni@87.240.244.123] has joined #openttd 01:37:16 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 02:04:38 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:12:00 *** draconnier [~svencanni@87.240.244.123] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:34:35 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:36:12 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:50:54 *** Tidus97 [~Tidus97@123.208.113.1] has joined #openttd 02:50:54 *** Tidus97 [~Tidus97@123.208.113.1] has quit [] 02:51:08 *** Tidus97 [~Tidus97@123.208.113.1] has joined #openttd 02:51:29 <Tidus97> oh hi 02:53:57 <Sacro> ohai 03:08:10 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:33 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 03:10:43 *** glx [~glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3d31:5251:b64e:516c] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:12:28 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:20:06 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.104.203] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:22:43 *** Tidus97 [~Tidus97@123.208.113.1] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 03:22:48 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-195-25.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Cheese Error +++] 03:23:06 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-195-25.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 03:35:16 *** michi_cc [95828ef081@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:38:44 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:38 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 04:33:52 *** FiCE [~anonymous@c122-107-157-71.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:47:35 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@cpe-72-224-207-2.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 05:17:47 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@cpe-72-224-207-2.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:19:35 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:29:53 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 05:33:37 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:43:00 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:54:55 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 06:00:34 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm168.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 06:01:36 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r16036 /trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Codechange [FS#2825]: Renamed TVW_SHOWAUTORITY to TVW_SHOWAUTHORITY (bilbo) 06:10:06 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 06:22:28 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-195-25.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Cheese Error +++] 06:30:18 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-195-25.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 06:54:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590febf9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 07:05:35 *** michi_cc [234848618a@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 07:05:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 07:29:18 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 07:34:14 * petern offers goodger some pepsi max 07:34:42 <goodger> thanks, but I'm already quite high on relentless 07:34:56 <petern> on what? 07:42:42 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:49:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DF9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:49:21 <yorick> interesting...a crash when clicking the multiplayer button 07:49:27 <yorick> also the online content 07:50:45 <petern> it's you 07:51:03 <yorick> quite 07:52:14 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@ip192-213-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 07:52:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 07:53:33 <petern> mr vater 07:53:44 <Darkvater> peter 07:56:14 <petern> it's a bit... wet out there 07:56:32 <Rubidium> morning all 07:56:34 <Darkvater> here or there? 07:56:54 <petern> there :D 07:56:56 <Darkvater> hi Rubidium 07:57:03 <petern> as i'm not outside 07:57:05 <Darkvater> no, it isn't :) 07:57:10 <Darkvater> he 07:57:46 <yorick> my texts are also positioned wierd 07:58:08 <Rubidium> Darkvater: how's the progress on the screenshots? 07:58:21 <Darkvater> eh... I gotta go peeps 07:58:24 <Darkvater> :P 07:58:33 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Quit: AdiaÅ.] 07:58:39 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 07:59:08 <Darkvater> I'm currently in alpha stage: "gathering time to go browse the tt-forums" 07:59:58 <Rubidium> ;) 08:00:29 <yorick> http://pastebin.com/d3de164c5 <-- gdb output 08:00:36 <Darkvater> I'm also planning to play some actual openttd for the first time in years 08:01:49 <yorick> dbg: [misc] Nested widgets give different results 08:01:57 <yorick> but I don't know if that's related 08:03:45 <yorick> probably not to the crash 08:07:12 <petern> ntdll? 08:07:16 <petern> bwahaha 08:11:00 <yorick> when removing the added servers, it crashes when pressing search 08:11:29 <yorick> Invalid Address specified to RtlFreeHeap( 00370000, 0319B288 ) 08:12:16 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 08:16:44 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:19:11 <Alberth> yorick: that message is most likely harmless 08:20:07 <yorick> then what isn't? 08:21:34 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179049222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:28:37 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177237011.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 08:34:44 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:39:28 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 08:39:54 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Quit: AdiaÅ.] 08:51:13 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.93] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 08:52:26 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 08:52:47 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has joined #openttd 09:01:28 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has joined #openttd 09:12:07 *** KingJ is now known as kingj 09:15:07 *** el_en [~lauri@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe03dc00-56.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:18:32 <el_en> decus et tutamen 09:18:47 <petern> no 09:27:15 <TrueBrain> wasn't yorick banned petern? 09:27:57 <TrueBrain> time to make myself some eggs! :) 09:31:45 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:38:12 *** carter [~dunno@p54BB40B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:42:33 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:44:58 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: phidah] 09:49:44 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 09:54:21 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db03598.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:14:00 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has joined #openttd 10:14:46 <taisteluorava> Hey, autoclean_novehicles = 0 <-- those are months? why 0 by default? 10:15:25 <Rubidium> SGF_0ISDISABLED 10:16:15 <taisteluorava> ok, so if i change 0 to 12, it will disable company which does not have any vehicle in 1 game year? 10:16:27 <taisteluorava> "delete company 10:16:47 <Rubidium> something like that 10:17:25 <taisteluorava> so if i set autoclean_protected = 0 it's disabled also? 10:17:30 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 10:17:33 <Rubidium> yup 10:17:40 <taisteluorava> good, thx : ) 10:32:26 *** el_en [~lauri@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe03dc00-56.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:43:51 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:02:22 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:02:37 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:10:49 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 11:14:23 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:16:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DF9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:27:57 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.211.203] has joined #openttd 11:32:08 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@ip192-213-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:12 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@ip192-213-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 11:32:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 11:49:41 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:17 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179049222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 12:11:30 *** EoD [~EoD@pD9EEC9DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:11:37 <EoD> hi 12:13:30 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:16:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DF9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:23:46 <Cybertinus> what is the difference between a scenario and a hightmap? 12:26:42 <Rubidium> heightmaps only contains heights that will be mapped into a new game 12:27:03 <Rubidium> a scenario is an already existing game with towns, settings, industries, roads, etc. 12:27:52 <Cybertinus> ah, ok 12:27:54 <Cybertinus> thnx 12:31:00 *** glx [~glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:8527:9442:b317:239a] has joined #openttd 12:31:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:31:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 12:35:05 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-154-14.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:37:44 *** ST_ [~Scott@25.105.96.58.exetel.com.au] has left #openttd [] 12:46:19 <Cybertinus> ok 12:46:22 <Cybertinus> this is wierd 12:46:45 <Cybertinus> I don't have any sound in oTTD (no soundfx, no music) 12:46:46 <Cybertinus> but 12:46:59 <Cybertinus> when I start oTTD for a second time, I do have soundfx in the second oTTD 12:55:27 *** carter [~dunno@p54BB40B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:58:55 <frosch123> then close both, and start one again 12:59:17 <frosch123> if the device is blocked on the start, it won't acquire it 13:00:40 <Cybertinus> nope, doesn't work 13:00:48 <Cybertinus> with the first I still don't got any sound 13:00:58 <Cybertinus> let me kill my music program, and then try to start it 13:02:37 <Cybertinus> doesn't make any difference 13:02:56 <Rubidium> what OS? 13:04:00 <Cybertinus> Gentoo Linux 13:05:04 <Rubidium> what audio drivers does your binary have besides 'null'? (openttd -h) 13:06:05 <Cybertinus> sdl 13:06:52 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:45 <Rubidium> oke, only sdl. Try googling for your problem with SDL as keyword; it's not OpenTTD's fault that SDL cannot find a means to give you sound 13:08:37 <Cybertinus> but why can it find a mean to give me sound when I start it a second time? :) 13:08:57 <Rubidium> no idea 13:09:09 <Rubidium> but you're better of asking people who know (a lot) about SDL 13:09:23 <Cybertinus> ok 13:09:30 <Cybertinus> thnx anyway :) 13:12:45 *** otih [~otih@wir.machen.datensalat.eu] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 90 seconds.] 13:13:55 *** otih [~otih@wir.machen.datensalat.eu] has joined #openttd 13:14:20 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:16:07 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 13:18:05 *** otih [~otih@wir.machen.datensalat.eu] has quit [] 13:20:11 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 13:21:21 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:21:29 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:51 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/middle_stop_improved.diff <- does any of you have a great idea how to introduce selecting the stop location at a platform in the order gui? Or is 'click on the line toggles it' clear enough? 13:22:51 <pavel1269> nice, you are improving that patch :-) 13:23:16 <Rubidium> that's called improving? :) 13:23:29 <pavel1269> no, rewriting? :P 13:23:54 * Rubidium wonders how few actual diff-lines loosely match with Eddi's diff 13:24:06 <pavel1269> concept :D 13:24:45 <pavel1269> i just said improved and havent really looked at your code :-) 13:25:22 * pavel1269 cant see any Eddi's diff 13:25:24 *** otih [~otih@wir.machen.datensalat.eu] has joined #openttd 13:25:31 <Rubidium> "replace stop at end for stop somewhere near the middle" vs "allow the user per order to say whether to stop at the begin, center or end of the platform" 13:25:31 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:25:32 <welshdragon> Rubidium: extra drop down? 13:25:48 <welshdragon> (far end, near end, middle) 13:26:39 <pavel1269> allow user per order to set ... 13:26:47 <welshdragon> Rubidium: the latter would probably be better... but it's also more of the forbidden R word 13:26:57 <Rubidium> is that the official naming of those locations (in en_GB)? 13:27:20 <Rubidium> nah, it's for tweaking ;) 13:27:23 <pavel1269> how else you would you call them? :P 13:27:55 <Rubidium> stopping at the begin with a non-full-platform-length train is quicker than stopping at the end 13:28:08 <welshdragon> Rubidium: my wording is what we would say 13:28:14 <pavel1269> thats why this patch exists? :-) 13:28:29 <petern> your wording is what you would say :) 13:28:44 <welshdragon> petern: signalman's terminology 13:29:11 <welshdragon> a train either stops at the near end (to the box), middle of the platform or at the far end 13:29:26 <pavel1269> near and ... far end? 13:29:29 <pavel1269> *end 13:29:53 * Xaroth pokes TrueBrain 13:30:31 <welshdragon> pavel1269: it's a definition signallers use 13:30:49 <pavel1269> thats strange 13:30:56 <welshdragon> the near end of a platform or station is the part which is nearest the signalbox 13:31:15 <pavel1269> station begin? :-) 13:31:18 <welshdragon> it's strange, but technically correct 13:31:34 <welshdragon> pavel1269: not proper english 13:32:00 <pavel1269> but you cannot you near and far end :-D 13:32:07 <pavel1269> *use 13:32:49 <petern> cos there is no signalman... 13:33:18 <pavel1269> or you will have to describe it to anyone, and i wonder, how sameone with even worse english than me, will understand .... 13:33:44 * Rubidium ponders declaring the signalbox to placed in the center of the station 13:35:13 <Rubidium> hmm, so no near/far end? 13:35:39 <pavel1269> i havent ever seen a signalbox in the middle :-) 13:37:58 <welshdragon> sorry about that 13:38:03 <welshdragon> laptop battery died 13:38:47 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/img/signalbox.png <- the signal box is in the center of that house like structure ;) 13:39:18 <welshdragon> the signalbcx doesn't have to be in the middle, it can be from the midpoint of the station, so what Rubidium just posted is correct 13:39:37 <petern> :o 13:39:59 <petern> "i put a signal box at the end of the platform and it doesn't change the meaning" 13:40:07 <petern> so, bad idea 13:40:33 <Xaroth> hm, would it be preferrable to contact the Content server for info on grfs or query the webserver 13:41:19 <Rubidium> Xaroth: the game server as the content server doesn't necessarily have all NewGRF the game server uses. The game server ought to have all NewGRFs the game server uses though 13:41:42 <Xaroth> ofcourse 13:41:43 <Rubidium> so "near end, middle, far end" or "begin, center, end" or something else? 13:41:45 <Xaroth> that's why i'm using it 13:42:12 <Xaroth> I want to query the content server to see if the content server has all/any of the grfs the server has and that the client does not have 13:42:19 <EoD> Rubidium: I prefer the former 13:42:47 <Xaroth> so the app can inform the user of what needs to be done (either get by content server or contact server admin for specific info) 13:43:11 <pavel1269> EoD: former .. is that the second one? :-) 13:43:22 <EoD> "near end, middle, far end" 13:43:28 <pavel1269> oh... 13:43:57 <welshdragon> pavel1269: it's correct english 13:44:08 <welshdragon> Rubidium: former please 13:44:47 <pavel1269> i hope, czech translocator will put there something ....explaining :-) 13:45:02 <pavel1269> but i now know, whats that, so no problem for me ... 13:45:11 <EoD> pavel1269: If the user doesn't understand what it means, than he will give it (hopefully) a try... And so he's expanding his English ;) 13:45:24 <Rubidium> welshdragon: where the 'far end' is the furthest away from the train when entering the station, not where it's the furthest from the non-existing signalbox 'concept' 13:45:47 <welshdragon> Ryes, that's fine 13:45:48 <pavel1269> EoD: hopefully, now ... look at forums .... :-) .... no ... there is no hope at all 13:45:53 <welshdragon> *Rubidium 13:46:31 <EoD> ^^ 13:46:55 <pavel1269> OT: http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Matt/twitter-shoutout-in-the-filename-WOAH.png 13:47:26 <welshdragon> Rubidium: can you see if the station code will allow 2 trains to enter the same platform? (one at near end, one at far end) 13:47:43 <pavel1269> that will be insane :-)) 13:47:57 <Rubidium> it won't at the moment; it reserves the whole platform or nothing 13:48:06 <welshdragon> Rubidium: hmm, ok, 13:48:47 <pavel1269> welshdragon: then, we can maky signals just eyecandy, they will calculate all movement and they wont crash ... hmm? :-) 13:48:58 <pavel1269> *make 13:49:11 <welshdragon> Rubidium: invisible signal for stations :) 13:50:43 <Rubidium> untraversable tiles would do the same ;) 13:51:32 <welshdragon> pavel1269: the pathfinder code isn't stupid, what Rubidium could do is ensure that if Train A + B are in the platform and train C arrives wanting the 'far end' of the platform it waits for both trains to depart 13:51:51 <Rubidium> why me? 13:51:51 <welshdragon> Rubidium: hmm, yes, true 13:51:54 <pavel1269> :D 13:52:04 <welshdragon> as you are developing the code Rubidium 13:52:22 <Rubidium> I haven't touched the pathfinders in a very long time 13:52:46 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host94-15-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 13:52:53 * welshdragon points at Wolf01 13:52:57 <welshdragon> get him to do it 13:53:01 <Wolf01> hello 13:53:03 <Wolf01> sure! 13:53:12 <pavel1269> hi 13:53:23 <Rubidium> someone made a mistake here... 13:53:29 <welshdragon> Wolf01: can i suggest reading the logs? 13:53:38 <Rubidium> Wolf01: have fun with doing 'it' 13:54:03 <welshdragon> lol 13:54:50 <Wolf01> why not? I'm already at work with sloped stations, signals in stations shouldn't add too much work 13:55:54 <welshdragon> just. do. it. /endnike 13:56:26 <Wolf01> those are the last words I said too when I started to develop sloped stations 13:57:00 <welshdragon> hmm, that means we'll need a new button in the 'orders' window 13:57:28 <Wolf01> and they works.. but I need to extend the grf callbacks, add new graphics for roadstops etc and I'm NOT able to do that 13:57:28 * welshdragon begins to realise the intricacies of adding a feature to Openttd 13:57:44 <frosch123> even more buttons are bad, it is better if the individual parts of the text would be clickable 13:57:56 <welshdragon> frosch123: true 13:58:04 <welshdragon> Wolf01: topic url? 13:58:10 * welshdragon shall have a look 13:58:35 <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=41433 13:59:31 <welshdragon> there's a lot of clipping with the train station grf 13:59:33 <Wolf01> next steep is diagonal stations, but I need to finish this 13:59:57 <yorick> glx: is your mingw up-to-date? 14:00:40 <welshdragon> Wolf01: perhaps a basic pole with a 'flag' could do for a diagonal road stop? 14:01:01 <welshdragon> (e.g like the letter P_ 14:01:19 <Wolf01> it's not a graphic problem, it's a "how to code" it problem 14:01:35 <welshdragon> aah, hehe 14:01:47 <Wolf01> I' already have the graphics :P 14:02:52 *** deghost [~asdf@CPE0040caacdf99-CM0011ae8a728e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 14:04:22 <glx> yorick: of course it is 14:04:23 <Rubidium> still no better idea for toggling the stop location? :( 14:04:40 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 14:04:48 *** Fuco is now known as `Fuco`` 14:05:13 <welshdragon> Rubidium: hmm 14:05:49 <welshdragon> i can't think of anything better 14:06:03 <Wolf01> welshdragon: the problem is with grfs too, GRFtile could be placed on sloped tile? if yes, it is a sloped graphic or must raise fundations to keep it plain? 14:06:30 <deghost> rised foundation isn't it 14:07:05 *** stuffcor1se [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:07:31 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 14:08:08 <Wolf01> this wouldn't apply to track tiles, only to non-track tiles as track tiles must always be sloped 14:08:36 <glx> yorick: gcc 3.4.5-3, binutils 2.19.1, runtime 3.15.2, w32api 3.13 14:08:47 <welshdragon> Wolf01: in that case the tile should be put on foundations 14:09:15 <frosch123> [16:04] <Rubidium> still no better idea for toggling the stop location? :( <- just commit it, and the everyone in the suggestion forum will start to complain :) 14:09:26 <Rubidium> but I don't read that 14:09:45 <frosch123> I cannot blame you for that :) 14:10:23 <Wolf01> not always, if I want to place a industrial stations road tile on a slope, I might want it following the slope, so I can build a nice "fake" road inside my station without the limit of it being stepped 14:11:27 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16037 /trunk/src/ (14 files in 4 dirs): -Feature: allow (per order) to let a train stop at the near end, middle or far end of a platform from the point of view of the driver of the train that enters the station. 14:11:31 <pavel1269> :-) 14:11:42 * pavel1269 hugs Rubidium 14:12:23 <Wolf01> nice Rubidium, this is a very beautiful Easter presente :) 14:12:30 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: frosch * r16038 /trunk/src/build_vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Remove BuildVehicleWindow::regenerate_list in favor of the GUIList flag. 14:12:33 <Wolf01> *-e 14:12:43 <frosch123> but the driver does not stop at the near end, he continues until the whole train is in the platform :p 14:12:59 <pavel1269> now you could look at daylength, because that dudes on forums ... omg :-) 14:13:55 <welshdragon> Rubidium: buy yourself a beer 14:14:00 <welshdragon> you star 14:14:10 * welshdragon hunts down the nightly 14:14:43 * yorick has the nightly, without networking 14:14:58 <Rubidium> why would I buy myself a beer? 14:15:12 <welshdragon> Rubidium: if i could sen you money I would 14:15:16 <welshdragon> *send 14:15:29 <Rubidium> then, why would I buy myself a beer? 14:15:42 * frosch123 wonders what is more useful, beer or money.. 14:15:50 <frosch123> s/more/less/ 14:16:57 <Wolf01> welshdragon: for example http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/imissthattile.PNG 14:17:45 <welshdragon> Wolf01: that road tile should behave like a normal road, if possible 14:18:03 <welshdragon> (doubt you can do that though) 14:18:04 <Rubidium> beer is less useful, unless there hyperinflation 14:18:21 <Wolf01> if there are the graphics it will do 14:18:35 <Rubidium> and you can exchange it for food 14:18:57 <welshdragon> hmm, interesting 14:19:22 <welshdragon> i'll need to hide my nightly files from my 0.7.0 installation 14:19:37 <welshdragon> something i have yet to do on my Mac 14:19:44 <Wolf01> the problem is to disallow to build some tiles on slopes, or to select the right graphics if the tile can be built on slope 14:20:25 <welshdragon> Wolf01: use a callback to check that station can be built on a slope? 14:20:42 <yorick> glx: same here 14:20:52 <Wolf01> yes, that's what I wanted to do :D 14:21:01 <Rubidium> there's already something like that, just not implemented in openttd 14:21:10 <glx> yorick: the only crash I had were cause by makedepend 14:21:18 <yorick> I don't have makedepend 14:21:47 <Rubidium> different os? 14:21:49 <welshdragon> Rubidium: i have a bone to pick with a developer, can it be with you? 14:22:00 <[wito]> Is the Single Bi-Directional Machine Over-under 4-way junction still useful? 14:22:23 <Wolf01> the what? 14:22:39 <glx> yorick: then do what I suggested, compile a debug build and run it with gdb 14:22:48 <yorick> did that 14:22:52 <[wito]> Wolf01: http://wiki.openttd.org/Over_Under_Junction Bottom junction 14:22:57 <Rubidium> welshdragon: can't it be done in here? 14:23:07 <welshdragon> Rubidium: that's what i mean 14:23:16 <welshdragon> in that case..... 14:23:27 <Wolf01> mainline, not machine 14:23:55 <[wito]> heh 14:23:57 <[wito]> I can't read. 14:24:06 <[wito]> But yeah; still useful? 14:24:13 <Rubidium> mainline and machine look very much alike 14:24:13 <welshdragon> why does TTDPatch have a switch to disallow towns from building bridges, and openttd doesn't have anything? 14:24:23 <Wolf01> why not? 14:24:35 <Rubidium> because TTDP != OTTD 14:24:42 <glx> yorick: that's not a backtrace :) 14:24:56 <Wolf01> no, it was referred to <[wito]> But yeah; still useful? 14:25:08 <welshdragon> that feature should be brought over 14:25:19 <[wito]> Wolf01: It's marked 'Old' and seems a bit big and pricey, so I thought I'd ask before implementing it anywhere. :P 14:25:31 * welshdragon gets annoyed when he loads a scenario and the towns start building bridges 14:25:37 <Rubidium> there're two ways to prevent towns from building bridges ;) 14:25:51 <glx> hmm I get SIGTRAP in gdb 14:25:53 <Wolf01> I always do plain junctions, I don't care about train waiting at signals :P 14:25:56 <Rubidium> 1) no water 14:26:03 <Rubidium> 2) towns build no roads 14:27:00 <welshdragon> Rubidium: 2) is a good one, but then if you have a scenario that has roads already in, your cities expand along those routes 14:27:18 <welshdragon> which means you end up with one huge morass 14:27:43 <[wito]> Wolf01: What, Basic 4-way? 14:28:00 <Rubidium> I guess nobody ever bothered adding those lots of town expansion settings TTDP has 14:28:36 <Rubidium> anyhow: "because TTDP has it" is not a good reason ;) 14:28:52 <welshdragon> Rubidium: it saves annoyances 14:29:09 <Wolf01> [wito] no, this: http://wiki.openttd.org/images/0/0b/Yapp_basicjunction.png 14:29:10 <welshdragon> and means we maintain beautiful landscapes 14:29:56 <welshdragon> when i'm back at uni, i'll be uploading tons of screenshots 14:30:00 <yorick> glx, that's everything it outputs 14:30:04 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 14:30:49 <[wito]> Wolf01: yeah, but what about 4-way junctions? 14:31:09 <Wolf01> the same, only with 4 ways :P 14:31:14 <welshdragon> IIIIINCOMING N00B 14:31:29 *** Coffee82 [~Coffee82@p5480ECEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:34 <welshdragon> :D 14:31:42 <Coffee82> hi 14:31:44 <jonty-comp> ho 14:31:49 * jonty-comp stalks the channels 14:31:58 * welshdragon does too 14:32:26 <Xaroth> that junction is a bit off 14:33:06 <welshdragon> that junction looks prone to jams 14:33:18 <Coffee82> i wanted to play multiplayer with a friend. he opened a server with a map both of us have. but whn i wanna join ive to download the map again? 14:33:27 * jonty-comp smashes an easter egg open with the corner of his mobile phone 14:33:28 <welshdragon> yes 14:33:32 <Coffee82> why? 14:33:34 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.85.209.129] has joined #openttd 14:33:47 <jonty-comp> the map includes the vehicles and things 14:33:51 <jonty-comp> so it changes while you're away 14:33:53 <Xaroth> Coffee82: because the map might have changed since it was loaded? 14:33:54 <Xaroth> date changed etc 14:34:07 <Wolf01> I don't care, I become mad building mainlines full of trains, big junctions etc... now the biggest thing I build is a route from 2 mines to the power plant 14:34:32 <Aali> Coffee82: you're not downloading the map, you're downloading the current gamestate 14:34:38 <Coffee82> but he doenst even build a thing 14:34:42 <Aali> in the form of a savegame 14:34:49 <Xaroth> Coffee82: the state of the game has changed 14:34:59 <Aali> "maps" (scenarios too) are really just savegames 14:35:11 <Xaroth> as such, you have to get up-to-date with the current state as well 14:35:37 *** Coffee82 [~Coffee82@p5480ECEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 14:35:48 <Xaroth> guess he didn't like the answer/ 14:35:59 <pavel1269> :D 14:36:14 <Aali> another satisfied customer 14:36:19 <batti5> Hi, i been trying to get openttd midi playback to work on linux with fluidsynth, but it won`t work, and i thinked of something, please listen 14:36:57 <welshdragon> batti5: which distro? 14:37:50 <batti5> it would be better if in ottd thare can be a way to select the midi output like in winamp3 or kmid, which distro? mandrive 2009 14:37:53 * Alberth has given up on sound at linux 14:38:08 <batti5> mandriva 14:38:37 <jonty-comp> I don't think I've ever had music in openttd :( 14:38:43 <jonty-comp> but then again I've not really tried 14:39:01 <batti5> fluidsynth works with kmid & winamp3 trouth wine perfect 14:39:12 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm168.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: put the cat on a table] 14:39:40 * Rubidium uses allegro for midi ;) 14:39:59 <Rubidium> well, used to... since my new laptop I haven't been bothered to set it up again 14:40:18 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db03598.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: brb] 14:40:22 <batti5> or maybe the midi files are not compatible with ottd, 14:40:51 <batti5> i have a midi device at my unused cmi card 14:41:36 <batti5> never tested it, but linux detected it with midi support 14:41:44 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm168.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:42:34 <batti5> so it would be even better to be able to select midi output in ottd 14:42:55 <batti5> maybe thare can be a patch? 14:42:58 <deghost> why midi? 14:43:32 <batti5> just touth about it 14:44:03 <welshdragon> wait for the new soundset to come out and be implemented 14:44:11 <welshdragon> you're not missing much 14:44:19 <batti5> ok 14:44:35 <welshdragon> heck, i think there are some of the .mp3's about on tt-forums.net 14:44:51 <jonty-comp> orudge made a thing that played mp3s instead of midis ages and ages ago 14:44:59 <jonty-comp> but no doubt it's horribly out of date now 14:46:08 <batti5> too bad i don`t know c++, i would have a lot of thime to help in with developing for ottd 14:48:00 <Alberth> batti5: Stroustrup sells books about the language 14:50:44 <petern> but would you have any time? 14:51:17 <batti5> maybe later, currently i'm trying to learn grf coding 14:51:51 <batti5> but i have a problem, the pallete 14:52:38 <batti5> do you know a better program to darw sprites then kolourpaint 14:53:09 <batti5> it just wrecks the pallete when saved 14:53:11 <batti5> ? 14:54:11 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db03598.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 14:54:47 <Alberth> gimp 14:55:53 *** draconnier [~svencanni@87.240.244.123] has joined #openttd 14:56:02 <Alberth> but that is a highly advanced editing program 14:56:38 * TrueBrain puts a brick in Xaroth's mouth 14:57:33 <Xaroth> o_O 14:57:36 <Xaroth> tasteh 14:57:42 <TrueBrain> I dislike people poking me 14:57:45 <TrueBrain> it hurts :( 14:57:49 <Xaroth> I don't poke hard 14:57:51 <Xaroth> unless asked 14:58:07 <Xaroth> anyhow, Content server is best approached by same method client does, right? 14:58:42 <TrueBrain> most likely :p 14:58:49 <Xaroth> figured as such 14:59:15 <glx> batti5: you know openttd needs an external player on linux 14:59:45 <glx> like timidity 15:00:38 <Andel> !seen swallow 15:00:48 <Andel> arghhhhhhh 15:00:49 <Andel> :( 15:00:55 <Andel> hi eveeeebodddeeeeee 15:00:55 <Xaroth> @ 15:01:08 <Andel> itzzz Doktor Neeeeek. 15:01:11 <Xaroth> o_O 15:01:16 <Andel> hi TrueBrain :) 15:01:18 <pavel1269> welshdragon: "I'll give a cookie to whoever fulfils the request (really!)" <--- the real one cookie? really? :-) 15:01:35 <welshdragon> pavel1269: it'll be a special cookie 15:01:43 <pavel1269> omg 15:01:59 * pavel1269 give his hands away 15:01:59 <Andel> was that the request on infra/sharing into the nightly? 15:02:06 <welshdragon> yep 15:02:09 <Andel> oh right 15:02:13 <Andel> that was my request. 15:02:17 <pavel1269> :D 15:02:18 <deghost> request? 15:02:22 <deghost> for what? 15:02:27 <pavel1269> what do you offer :-D 15:02:52 <TrueBrain> two cookies? 15:02:54 <Andel> InfraStructure Sharing 15:02:59 <deghost> i offer to buy you a 14yrold from bangkok 15:02:59 <Andel> And my offer... 15:03:04 <Andel> well, I run the tt-forums meet 15:03:06 <deghost> for signal in tunnel 15:03:08 <deghost> :) 15:03:14 <Andel> so I offer to pay for the wifi to play a network openttd game at the meet 15:03:31 <TrueBrain> sounds like a terrible deal 15:03:37 <pavel1269> to me too 15:03:44 <Andel> it comes with free Frozen Yoghurt 15:03:45 <welshdragon> does mine win? 15:03:48 <pavel1269> there are some tt meetings? ^^ 15:03:55 <Andel> I call it "Froghurt" 15:03:57 <TrueBrain> welshdragon: you are so far behind, I can't even see that face of yours 15:04:09 <welshdragon> TrueBrain: huh/ 15:04:09 <pavel1269> welshdragon: you will send me to you webpage and ... hooray? ... :-) 15:04:16 <pavel1269> :D 15:04:20 <Andel> oh alright - I'll throw in a cookie 15:04:26 <welshdragon> pavel1269: ? 15:04:53 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: I think welshdragon is just not clever enough to understand the concept of a cookie :) 15:04:55 <pavel1269> why the yoghurt will be frozen? :-) ... oh i can see, it will take a while till it will get to me ... :D 15:04:56 <Andel> I was asking about InfraStructure Sharing because I think it can open up a whole new dimension 15:05:03 <Andel> pavel1269: correct. 15:05:11 <TrueBrain> Andel: for that we have the 4th dimension already :p 15:05:13 <pavel1269> welshdragon: never mind 15:05:16 <pavel1269> TrueBrain: so true :D 15:05:25 <Andel> TrueBrain: it's the 18th dimention. 15:05:33 <TrueBrain> sounds terrible complex 15:05:44 <Andel> oh its not that complex. 15:05:44 <pavel1269> where are those tt meetings,: P 15:05:49 <pavel1269> * ? :P 15:05:52 <Andel> it just mis-spells some words 15:06:00 <Andel> and every now and then the s key goes missing. 15:06:11 <Andel> pavel1269: next tt-forums meet is in York in August. 15:06:24 <Andel> eeek 15:06:24 <pavel1269> York ... thats England ... 15:06:26 <Andel> yes. 15:06:31 <Andel> I had better go start dinner 15:06:32 <TrueBrain> well, at lea'st the rule is gone that every 's 'should be prefixed with a ', ju'st to be 'safe about it's u'sage 15:06:57 <Andel> went by dimenthen 15. 15:07:08 <Andel> oh bugger, the eth key ith gone again. 15:07:26 <Andel> thee, now I have to have a digital lithp. 15:08:07 * TrueBrain replaces Andel 15:08:12 <Andel> anyway, I need to go and thtart a nice roatht dinner. 15:08:19 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@cpe-72-224-207-2.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:08:30 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@cpe-72-224-207-2.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [] 15:08:45 <TrueBrain> tnx for visiting UFO64 15:08:51 <TrueBrain> come back any time 15:08:52 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@cpe-72-224-207-2.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:08:58 <TrueBrain> oeh, that works! :o 15:08:59 <Andel> and tho he did. 15:09:08 <Xaroth> impressive 15:09:12 <Andel> thpeak to you later, folkth. 15:09:20 <TrueBrain> I wonder if I can get him out of here again too ... :p 15:09:28 <Xaroth> yes you can 15:09:31 <Xaroth> if you try hard enough :) 15:09:31 <TrueBrain> :) Hehe 15:09:33 <TrueBrain> very true :) 15:09:39 <TrueBrain> I don't think @kban is that hard 15:09:46 <Xaroth> it's hard enough :) 15:09:56 <TrueBrain> also, very true :p 15:09:56 <Xaroth> hm 15:10:03 <TrueBrain> harder than that poke of yours 15:10:08 *** batti5_ [~batti5@92.85.210.91] has joined #openttd 15:10:35 <Xaroth> yep 15:11:33 <TrueBrain> hmm .. sun ... hmm ... 15:11:42 <TrueBrain> I need to consider what my foodsupply will be of the evening 15:11:46 <TrueBrain> which is kind of tricky 15:12:24 <Xaroth> seeing the shops are closed :p 15:12:46 <TrueBrain> wasn't planning on eating anything remotely like that anyway :p 15:12:55 <TrueBrain> was more considering Eazy or Snackbar 15:12:57 <TrueBrain> hmm .. 15:13:02 <Xaroth> snackbar? 15:13:19 <Xaroth> bike-by mac? :P 15:14:20 <TrueBrain> too var away .. 15:14:21 <TrueBrain> far 15:14:36 <TrueBrain> well .. not really .. but I rather have real food :p 15:15:42 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.85.209.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:17:40 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r16039 /trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Completing widget number enums of town windows and adding them as comment to the widget arrays. 15:17:57 <pavel1269> TB: you wont thanks batti for a visit :-) ... he stayed longer 15:18:04 <glx> TrueBrain: WT3 is needed :) 15:18:25 <glx> WT2 just refused a valid translation :) 15:18:48 <TrueBrain> help out with the edit interface :p 15:18:49 <pavel1269> O_o 15:18:50 <pavel1269> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=780670#p780670 15:18:51 <TrueBrain> still a bit clueless :( 15:18:59 <pavel1269> look at it ... :D 15:19:36 <TrueBrain> COOL! I was just looking for that box! 15:19:52 <TrueBrain> tnx for spamming that here too pavel1269 15:20:01 <TrueBrain> you do understand we can now just consider you a spambot? 15:20:07 <pavel1269> i thought, you can delete that? 15:20:27 <TrueBrain> there is a report, isn't there? 15:20:33 <pavel1269> maybye ... 15:20:35 <TrueBrain> than the right person will take care of it when the time is there :) 15:20:38 <pavel1269> sorry then 15:20:41 <TrueBrain> :) 15:21:06 <glx> pavel1269: look at the bottom of the post, theres a red exclamation mark 15:21:21 <pavel1269> never used it, so forget bout that 15:21:32 <welshdragon> i've reported it to orudge 15:21:43 <pavel1269> oruge or mod? 15:21:54 <orudge> glx: red exclamation marks only appear for mods/admins, I believe; ) 15:22:01 <jonty-comp> I'm a mod! 15:22:07 <glx> I'm not 15:22:08 <jonty-comp> but I have things to do 15:22:17 <orudge> jonty-comp: dooo it 15:22:18 <glx> it's the report button 15:22:18 <pavel1269> orudge: false, i see too red "!" ... to report ;) 15:22:24 <orudge> pavel1269: oh, right 15:22:29 <orudge> different exclamation mark we're thinking of ;) 15:22:32 <jonty-comp> pavel1269 is a secret administrator 15:22:35 <TrueBrain> orudge: hehe :) 15:22:41 <pavel1269> why i cant delete then? :D 15:22:52 <orudge> TrueBrain: mirror seemed to finish fine by about 1am, I seem to recall :) 15:22:53 <TrueBrain> because you have much to learn 15:23:03 <TrueBrain> orudge: it finished at some time, about that I am sure yes :) 15:23:04 <orudge> will you be putting links to the mirrors on the download page I guess, or something? 15:23:07 <TrueBrain> no idea what that time was ;) 15:23:07 <orudge> heh 15:23:21 <TrueBrain> orudge: in time, there will be a system to refer to the mirrors 15:23:24 <TrueBrain> for now there is none :p 15:23:43 <TrueBrain> (some more pressing issues to resolve first) 15:24:01 <orudge> heh 15:26:04 <TrueBrain> like WT3 ... about which I am still not sure how to proceed :p 15:27:46 <TrueBrain> but first, an even more important issue: FOOD! 15:28:14 <frosch123> seconded: FOOD! 15:28:15 * welshdragon has to wait for his food 15:28:19 <batti5_> need help , im try grfmaker tutorial, i get range check error in the Vehicle sprite block window 15:29:02 <pavel1269> TrueBrain: update IS and welshdragon and Andel will send you a cookie :-) 15:29:29 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: to put it in nice words: I don't give a crap about IS .. never did .. never will :) 15:29:53 <welshdragon> indeed, i know TrueBrain doesn't like IS 15:30:07 <TrueBrain> 'not like' is putting it mildly, but sure, we can go with that :) 15:30:28 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r16040 /trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use coordinates from the widget for the town-view viewport instead of magic constants. 15:30:30 <welshdragon> TrueBrain: is it too r-r-r-r..... 15:30:39 <TrueBrain> red? 15:30:41 <TrueBrain> rainy? 15:30:48 <welshdragon> the forbidden word 15:30:48 <TrueBrain> resistant against food? 15:30:52 <Alberth> rororor 15:31:00 <TrueBrain> risky? 15:31:12 <TrueBrain> rocky? 15:31:15 <pavel1269> thts it 15:31:16 <welshdragon> real*********** 15:31:16 <pavel1269> :-) 15:31:24 <TrueBrain> real?! You call IS REAL?! 15:31:32 <TrueBrain> I think ... we have a vastly different understanding of the term real 15:31:47 <pavel1269> real is relative :-) 15:31:52 <frosch123> [17:29] <pavel1269> TrueBrain: update IS and welshdragon and Andel will send you a cookie :-) <- a cookie from a locomotion player, are you suicidal? 15:31:53 <TrueBrain> that is for sure :) 15:31:58 <TrueBrain> and very subjective ;) 15:32:08 <TrueBrain> frosch123: LOL! 15:32:11 <TrueBrain> k, food time :) 15:32:12 <pavel1269> frosch123: :-D ... but hes hungry 15:33:26 <frosch123> Sacro: there is a line above. If you quote that you can highlight 5 people at once 15:33:43 <pavel1269> my one ! :D 15:33:45 <pavel1269> haha i won 15:34:35 <pavel1269> i thought highlighting 3ppl at once is .... massive ... :P 15:35:34 <Xaroth> more fun to output the list from /names :/ 15:35:44 <Xaroth> though a lot of people will be pissed off :P 15:37:03 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:37:28 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:37:37 <welshdragon> Aali: you should have piped up abut the IS already being up to date with latest nightly 15:38:18 <Aali> I don't watch this channel that closely :) 15:38:50 <welshdragon> hehe 15:39:17 <welshdragon> still, a windows executable would be nice, all in good time i guess 15:40:25 <[wito]> If I use cheats in a savegame, then load that savegame in the scenario editor, to create a scenario, and then play that scenario, will it still be flagged as a cheated game? 15:40:26 <planetmaker> welshdragon: still... the hg repository is available for anyone to pull 15:40:37 <planetmaker> or clone 15:40:38 <Aali> there will be binaries.. for beta2 15:40:42 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 15:41:28 <welshdragon> planetmaker: i have no coding experience, and don't want to mess with hg repository 15:41:31 <Ammler> latest merge was with r15979, so it is quite up2date 15:41:38 <petern> why should devs update patches they're not interested in? 15:41:43 <petern> :o 15:41:57 <welshdragon> petern: true fact 15:42:08 <welshdragon> you shouldn't 15:42:14 <petern> it's not like they have exclusive rights in understanding the code 15:43:37 <planetmaker> welshdragon: you don't need coding experience. You just need tortoiseSVN and a compiler of your choice 15:44:01 <welshdragon> planetmaker: i'd still not know what to do 15:44:04 <planetmaker> and before I forget: happy Easter to all people here :) 15:44:21 <welshdragon> yes, Happy Easter to you all 15:44:30 <planetmaker> welshdragon: that can be helped... by means of reading ;) 15:44:48 <welshdragon> hmm 15:45:04 <planetmaker> I think the sticky is pretty extensive on which programmes might be suitable. 15:45:13 <planetmaker> or the wiki / Manual 15:45:14 * welshdragon thinks he might give it a try when he's back on his desktop 15:45:16 <petern> "i don't know how" usually means "i don't know how and can't be bothered to invest any time looking it up" 15:45:30 <pavel1269> isnt easter tomorow? 15:45:36 <welshdragon> i can invest time in looking it up 15:45:46 <planetmaker> pavel1269: For me it's like Easter Sunday right now 15:46:32 <welshdragon> it's just my technical knowledge.... lacks, and i can easily wade in and cock it all up 15:47:31 <welshdragon> argh 15:47:38 <welshdragon> that makes me sound dumb 15:48:52 <Ammler> welshdragon: which trunk feature do you miss on latest IS? 15:49:22 <welshdragon> Ammler: well isn't it loads of revisions behind? 15:49:56 <welshdragon> (by loads i mean 100+ revisions) 15:51:32 <welshdragon> also, to clarify my little waffle, i'm a hands on person, i will read things to get the gist of what i'm doing, but then i'll just... do my own thing 15:51:40 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:02:39 *** Yeggstry [~mind@elliot-reid-182.124.236.85.event.multiplay.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:12:56 *** EoD [~EoD@pD9EEC9DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032608]] 16:19:52 <glx> @whoami 16:19:52 <DorpsGek> glx: glx 16:20:15 <jonty-comp> how useful 16:20:54 <glx> no, I checked if it autorecognised me 16:21:03 <jonty-comp> oh, it's one of those 16:23:14 <jonty-comp> bah, I bet mercurial doesn't like tortoiseSVN's patcher thing 16:23:37 <jonty-comp> welshdragon picked a hell of a patch to decide to learn the whole patching thing on :p 16:23:38 <Sacro> jonty-comp: tortoisehg? :P 16:23:47 <jonty-comp> does that exist? D: 16:23:57 <Sacro> Yeah, i use it loads 16:24:12 <Sacro> and then I think gnuwin32 has patch 16:24:39 <jonty-comp> I don't know, I had only just got used to svn and then all these other random things popped up 16:25:06 <Xaroth> @whoami 16:25:06 <DorpsGek> Xaroth: I don't recognize you. 16:25:09 <Xaroth> pff! 16:25:11 <Xaroth> you should! 16:25:13 <jonty-comp> @whoami 16:25:14 <DorpsGek> jonty-comp: I don't recognize you. 16:25:15 <jonty-comp> pfft 16:28:09 <jonty-comp> goodness me 16:28:23 <jonty-comp> 8.41 million people watched DW yesterday 16:28:33 <jonty-comp> and I think I have eaten too much chocolate today :s 16:29:08 * jonty-comp does not feel particularly great 16:29:19 <Xaroth> DW? 16:29:23 <jonty-comp> doctor who 16:29:29 <Xaroth> O_O 16:29:29 <jonty-comp> that's a lot of people for the UK :p 16:29:55 <Xaroth> that's more than 50% of holland :P 16:30:07 <jonty-comp> heh 16:30:34 <Xaroth> hm, think i finally got this layout working now.. top left ms visual C++ express, top right C# express, bottom, irssi :P 16:30:43 <jonty-comp> :o 16:30:56 <jonty-comp> either you have a very large screen, more than one screen or your windows are quite small 16:31:02 <Xaroth> i overlap 16:31:05 <Xaroth> 1600x1200 16:31:10 <jonty-comp> that's quite large 16:31:14 <Xaroth> i need a second screen, really :/ 16:31:20 <jonty-comp> I have two 16:31:27 <Xaroth> got 2 screens at work, it's ace 16:31:34 <jonty-comp> I considered buying one big one instead, but I'm glad I didn't 16:33:55 <Xaroth> get 2 big ones instead :) 16:34:16 <jonty-comp> hehe 16:34:23 <jonty-comp> got 2 19" ones at 1280x1024 16:35:51 <Xaroth> mine's 20.1" 16:37:00 <Xaroth> but i picked this one because it was small and could support 1600x1200 16:39:12 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@cpe-72-224-207-2.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:41:26 <artart78> what is --with-png usefull for ? 16:41:38 <svip> You get png support! 16:41:59 <artart78> and what is png in openttd useful for ? 16:42:06 <svip> Screenshots. 16:43:08 <artart78> ok thanks 16:44:26 <Xaroth> ugh, sometimes i don't get C++ .. 16:44:41 *** [wito] [~wito@212251244230.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:48 <petern> and 32bpp graphics 16:45:09 <glx> and png heightmaps 16:45:29 <Xaroth> tcp_content.h declares enum State ... and the function IsValid checks whether that isn't State::INVALID ... but in network_content.cpp the entire struct is fileld with data receied, EXCEPT State. 16:46:27 <Xaroth> then at a later stage in there State is being set. 16:48:05 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179087240.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:49:21 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@141.114.217.226] has joined #openttd 17:00:47 <batti5_> need some help 17:00:49 <TrueBrain> # Did you write the book of live 17:00:53 <TrueBrain> live = love, lol 17:01:12 *** [wito] [~wito@212251244230.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 17:01:31 <batti5_> i did the grfmaker tutorial 17:02:04 <TrueBrain> then indeed you need some help :) 17:02:06 <TrueBrain> ghehe 17:02:42 <batti5_> and when i click the grf button in the grfmaker, it sais invalid filename 17:03:08 <batti5_> i did everything as writen what happened? 17:04:36 <batti5_> any ideas? 17:06:11 * Rubidium guesses it's a path problem, maybe something with non-ascii characters in the path or so 17:06:57 <batti5_> i used LDH1500 everyware 17:17:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:20:05 <Xaroth> hm 17:20:31 <Xaroth> does the content server send any form of info on how many ContentInfos it's sending prior to just sending them? 17:20:50 <TrueBrain> read the C code, and you will know :p 17:21:02 <Xaroth> yes, i am 17:21:08 <Xaroth> it's confusing the fook out of me :/ 17:24:38 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 17:24:47 <Wolf01|AWAY> uhm 17:24:55 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 17:27:59 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16041 /trunk/src/ (47 files in 4 dirs): -Fix [FS#774]: the currency abbreviation for the Romanian Leu is now RON. 17:28:59 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:55 <petern> god 17:29:57 <frosch123> rubidium has a new shovel 17:29:58 <petern> DEPs take ages :p 17:30:03 <TrueBrain> petern: hahahaha :) 17:30:14 <TrueBrain> how is glx doing on that job? :) 17:32:57 <Xaroth> gah 17:33:00 <Xaroth> no indicator 17:34:50 *** Wolle [R4R@p57B0F0E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:17 <TrueBrain> [19:20] <Xaroth> does the content server send any form of info on how many ContentInfos it's sending prior to just sending them? <- I don't get this question really ... 17:36:22 <TrueBrain> you ask the content server for N things 17:36:24 <TrueBrain> and you get N things back 17:36:30 <TrueBrain> what .... do you want more? 17:36:43 <TrueBrain> that it explicitly tells you you get N things back? Where you were the one requesting N things in the first place? :p 17:37:49 <Xaroth> no 17:37:53 <Xaroth> I requested the -entire- list 17:37:57 <Xaroth> and it returns N items 17:38:13 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: frosch * r16042 /trunk/src/ (build_vehicle_gui.cpp engine_gui.h lang/english.txt): -Feature [FS#1941]: Allow filtering of vehicle purchase lists by cargo. Based on patch by sbr. 17:38:17 <artart78> is it possible to play openttd without proprietary datas ? 17:38:37 <TrueBrain> artart78: create an empty 'sample.dat' and download OpenGFX 17:39:00 <artart78> in the data dir ? 17:39:04 <TrueBrain> yup 17:39:09 <Noldo> artart78: yes, but you need to do something to disable the buildings and what not that are not part of OpenGFX yet 17:39:11 <Rubidium> it's sample.cat, but the idea is the same. OpenGFX contains an empty sample.cat 17:39:18 <Xaroth> extra/masterserver_updater/src/contentserver/tcp.cpp @ DEF_CONTENT_RECEIVE_COMMAND(Server, PACKET_CONTENT_CLIENT_INFO_LIST) 17:39:21 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: oops, typo :) 17:39:27 <Xaroth> it basically gets an entire list 17:39:29 <Xaroth> and spits it back 17:39:30 <TrueBrain> artart78: OpenGFX is still WIP, so expect glitches 17:39:56 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: so then you receive how many you receive :p I don't see the problem in it :) 17:40:06 <TrueBrain> it is TCP, so you get everything 17:40:28 <petern> 7 minutes to compile, and then frosch123 makes an english.txt commit :( 17:40:29 <Xaroth> I'm aware of that, I was just hoping I'd get an indicator 17:40:38 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: 42 17:40:45 <TrueBrain> how is that for an indicator? :) 17:40:46 <TrueBrain> hihi :) 17:40:47 <frosch123> petern: rubidium also did! 17:40:54 <Xaroth> so old, TB 17:41:04 <petern> frosch123, not just after i'd compiled :p 17:41:07 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: old?! Nothing to do with old ... it is the truth! 17:41:11 <TrueBrain> IT IS THE ANSWER! 17:41:11 <Rubidium> frosch123: but I'm innocent! 17:41:11 <Alberth> petern: just use an old version of the sources 17:41:19 <frosch123> and there were 10 minutes between rb's and mine, so you had 3 minutes to play 17:41:20 <Xaroth> heh 17:41:56 <Rubidium> Xaroth: parse bananas.openttd.org ;) 17:42:04 <Rubidium> gives you at least an upper bound 17:42:09 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: draft me a XMLRPC, and I make it for you 17:42:21 <TrueBrain> (mind that I don't ask you to make it, just draft it) 17:42:30 <TrueBrain> feel free to replace XMLRPC with API 17:42:40 <Xaroth> hm, possible 17:43:11 <Rubidium> :( frosch123 broke the 3300 strings per language... now we need 32 more for a nice number ;) 17:43:24 <TrueBrain> 3300 strings per language? 17:43:29 <TrueBrain> and there are only 2900 ... 17:43:32 <TrueBrain> sounds bad :p 17:43:48 <TrueBrain> (sorry, I had to :)) 17:43:52 <Rubidium> where's that 2900 based on? 17:43:56 <TrueBrain> WT3 :p 17:44:02 <TrueBrain> r7787 :$ 17:44:42 <petern> ... 17:44:48 <TrueBrain> hahahaha :) 17:44:53 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: think an xmlrpc might be useful, but for now i'll stick to the current system 17:45:02 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: then an XMLRPC will never be created 17:45:04 <frosch123> petern: are you finished with compiliing? so alberth can commit? 17:45:09 <TrueBrain> no demand, .... 17:45:15 <petern> no 17:45:20 <petern> but he can :P 17:45:20 <Xaroth> yep, but I don't think many people are making what I'm making :P 17:45:27 <petern> he has my express permission 17:45:31 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: so, no XMLRPC :) 17:45:41 <Alberth> I won't change any lang/english.txt line today 17:45:49 <petern> Xaroth, you could make an XMLRPC layer ;) 17:46:07 <TrueBrain> petern: he simply can't get enough data from the content server :p So that might be hard :p 17:46:12 <Xaroth> ... I get this stinking suspicion people -want- an XMLRPC layer but can't be arsed designing it 17:46:14 <petern> ah 17:46:28 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: nobody can, so nothing is created 17:46:33 <TrueBrain> same faith undergoes a serverlist XMLRPC 17:46:38 <Rubidium> nah, TB wants everything to be XMLRPC 17:46:39 <Xaroth> hah 17:46:54 <Rubidium> if it was him even the source code would be downloaded via XMLRPC 17:46:55 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: sstttt 17:47:12 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: take a look at http://wiki.eve-id.net/APIv2_Page_Index 17:47:20 <Xaroth> EVE Online's API interface 17:47:30 <TrueBrain> what about it? 17:47:45 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r16043 /trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Prepare town-view widgets for nesting. 17:47:53 <Xaroth> should be enough info to make an XMLRPC? :P 17:48:05 <TrueBrain> for the content server? 17:48:08 <TrueBrain> very doubtful 17:49:33 <Rubidium> TrueBrain, I propose the following for XMLRPC for the content server: <xarothcouldnotbebotheredtodesignthis><numberofresults>0</numberofresults></xarothcouldnotbebotheredtodesignthis> 17:49:43 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: hahahaha :) 17:49:43 <Xaroth> haha 17:49:47 <Xaroth> I vote for it 17:50:23 <TrueBrain> I guess I should start using the word API more often in this reference 17:51:08 <petern> as long as it's not the MS Word API 17:51:18 <TrueBrain> MS .. brr .. 17:51:25 <TrueBrain> stopped reading after that 17:51:43 <TinoDidriksen> Oh gods, don't remind me...their so called API is rubbish. 17:52:15 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:52:44 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 17:53:33 <Xaroth> hm 17:53:35 <Xaroth> something went wrong 17:53:42 <Xaroth> [17:53][testContentServer] Content Server entries: 23 17:53:47 <Xaroth> i'm missing.. 99 :P 17:54:37 <Rubidium> I guess you failed somewhere in sending the right information 17:55:39 <Xaroth> I think the issue is more at receiving it 17:56:00 <TrueBrain> sounds bad :p 17:56:42 <Xaroth> or you can over-do it 17:56:44 <Xaroth> Content Server entries: 1439 17:56:54 <TrueBrain> @calc 1439 / 23 17:56:54 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 62.5652173913 17:56:56 <TrueBrain> too bad :p 17:56:57 <Xaroth> ... i think something is messed up :P 17:57:06 <TrueBrain> cosmic rays!! 17:58:05 <Andel> no thanks 17:58:10 <TrueBrain> you get them anyway 17:58:12 <Andel> but ooo - s key is back 17:58:13 <TrueBrain> every time of the day 17:58:14 <Andel> do I? 17:58:24 <Andel> do I get a cosmic girl free with them? 17:58:29 <Andel> from a different reality? 17:58:36 <Andel> and something to do with zero gravity? 17:58:46 <TrueBrain> no, you just get cosmic rays 17:58:50 <Andel> m'oh. 17:59:10 <TrueBrain> what was it .. 1 every 3 minutes on 1 cm^2? 17:59:12 <TrueBrain> can't remember 17:59:41 <Andel> no 17:59:43 <Andel> quarter past 11 17:59:48 <Andel> on a saturday in 1999. 17:59:57 <TrueBrain> are you drunk? 18:00:15 <Andel> nope 18:00:22 <Andel> Jamiroquai - Cosmic Girl :) 18:00:23 <TrueBrain> just checking :) 18:00:33 <Andel> can't be drunk - I have a 1 year old jumping all over me 18:00:42 <TrueBrain> or that could be the reason you are :p 18:00:53 <Andel> i wish I could be 18:00:58 <Andel> she'd drink my JD + coke though 18:01:27 <glx> TrueBrain: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/depend.diff <-- diff between makedepend output and my tool 18:01:36 *** InfinityFinder [~8find3r@dsl-149-117-11.hive.is] has joined #openttd 18:01:42 <InfinityFinder> hello 18:01:46 <TrueBrain> glx: nice! 18:01:52 <Xaroth> hmm, 118 this time 18:01:59 <TrueBrain> glx: it clearly doesn't read the #ifdefs yet ;) 18:02:21 <glx> well reading #stuff is easy except #if 18:02:39 <InfinityFinder> got a problem in linux binary ... clould not load library libicuil8n.so.38 .. when I try to open in 64bit 18:03:04 <frosch123> find the library with the exact same version, or compile yourself :) 18:03:07 <glx> downgrade your libicu or compile openttd yourself 18:03:28 <Rubidium> or use the binary your distro distributes 18:03:40 <TinoDidriksen> And actually install the ICU 64-bit libs... 18:03:42 <TrueBrain> ah, 100 cosmic rays per m^2 per second 18:03:43 <InfinityFinder> I can't find the libicu on Archlinux :( so what to do 18:03:43 <Xaroth> yay, workage 18:03:54 <Sacro> InfinityFinder: there are PKGBUILDs 18:04:00 <InfinityFinder> ok 18:04:03 <Sacro> I wrote all 3 18:04:26 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:04:32 <Sacro> InfinityFinder: should be in the 'icu' package 18:04:35 <TrueBrain> so yeah, 1 every 3 minutes on 1 cm^2 :) 18:04:46 <Sacro> which is in extra 18:05:06 <frosch123> TrueBrain: did you told that your neighbour? 18:05:16 <TrueBrain> why would he care? :p 18:05:21 <Sacro> InfinityFinder: which version are you installing, there's stable in community and -svn in AUR 18:06:02 <InfinityFinder> I know that but I wan't it portable :P 18:06:06 <InfinityFinder> want* 18:06:19 <Sacro> portable as in...? 18:06:19 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I really fail to link it to my neighbour :) 18:06:34 <InfinityFinder> so you can open only binary on any linux distro 18:06:49 <Rubidium> then you need to compile a static binary 18:07:00 <Rubidium> i.e. with all libraries in the binary itself 18:07:01 <TrueBrain> glx: what is the problem with #if? 18:07:02 <TinoDidriksen> Static with all of ICU...huge. 18:07:15 <glx> TrueBrain: &&, ||, ... 18:07:22 <TrueBrain> glx: ah .. .yes ... nasty ..... 18:07:40 <petern> woo, cargo filter 18:08:54 <Sacro> InfinityFinder: bad idea, different distros have different libraries 18:09:09 <Sacro> better to carry the WINE source and the win32 build... 18:09:40 <petern> ew 18:09:53 <Sacro> petern: no icu issues :) 18:10:36 <InfinityFinder> nah I then just havto have the source and compile it on distros that don't have the game in their repositories :P 18:13:07 <Sacro> hm 18:13:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.220.124] has joined #openttd 18:15:12 <Sacro> Rubidium: with the near/middle/end stopping is there a possibility of YAPP platform sharing? 18:15:24 <Sacro> oh, and also, reverse if stopped at near end would be nice 18:19:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.164.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:18 <Sacro> Rubidium: also, when updating saves you hard code far end, not the one that's selected as default in the options 18:21:22 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:21:41 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:46 <Aali> because far end was the default (and only choice) when those old saves were made 18:22:37 <frosch123> know I know, why I always confuse sacro with sirkoz 18:24:21 <Sacro> Aali: there was no 'default' just 'only' 18:24:30 <Sacro> now you can select a default it'd be nice if that was honoured 18:24:46 <Sacro> frosch123: cheers :P 18:25:21 <Aali> ... 18:25:36 <frosch123> sorry Sacro, noone should be compared with him :) 18:26:07 <batti5_> hoe is the openttd wiki page administrator?, i wish to talk with him, sorry for bad english 18:26:39 <TrueBrain> you want to hit him in the face or somethng? :p 18:26:55 <frosch123> or shall he unlock the roadmap? 18:27:01 <batti5_> no, it about a request 18:27:13 <Sacro> a money request, or a paternaty suit? 18:27:43 <batti5_> i wish to have a page password protected 18:27:56 <TrueBrain> password protected? Cool :p 18:28:32 <batti5_> its about this page http://wiki.openttd.org/?title=Romtrain_Workspace 18:29:04 <petern> pages can be locked 18:29:08 <petern> but then nobody can edit them 18:29:23 <batti5_> i only what for me and hoe i select a acces it respectively me & Cudar 18:29:38 <petern> want 18:29:38 <petern> who 18:29:41 <TrueBrain> the idea of a wiki is free access for everyone :) 18:29:45 <TrueBrain> so I guess that is not going to happen :) 18:29:55 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:29:56 <petern> indeed, the wiki can't do that 18:30:40 <batti5_> then how a can make only editable by me and cudar & read-only for others? 18:30:47 <TrueBrain> not 18:30:48 <petern> you can't 18:30:49 <TrueBrain> that we just said ... 18:31:01 <batti5_> nobody can? 18:31:05 <petern> no 18:31:06 <petern> it's a wiki 18:31:12 <petern> it's designed to be editted 18:31:22 <batti5_> thanks anyway 18:34:19 <Swallow> Compiling with MSVC 2008 gives the following error for me: 18:34:20 <Swallow> error C2440: 'initializing' : cannot convert from 'bool (__fastcall *)(const EngineID *,const CargoID)' to 'bool (__cdecl *const )(const T *,F)' 18:35:06 <Swallow> It seems the filter function isn't using __cdecl 18:35:21 <frosch123> he, so I broke win compile? 18:35:28 <TrueBrain> concratz frosch123 :) 18:36:50 <frosch123> static bool CDECL CargoFilter(const EngineID *eid, const CargoID cid) <- so it shall become like that? 18:36:56 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:02 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:37:06 <Swallow> Yes 18:37:07 <frosch123> uhm, though, I cannot test it anyway... 18:37:23 <frosch123> i.e. is that going to break msvc in the next step :p 18:37:32 <Swallow> *compiles* 18:38:26 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:39:20 <Swallow> Adding CDECL indeed fixes it 18:39:48 <frosch123> ok, I'll blame you 18:40:52 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: frosch * r16044 /trunk/src/build_vehicle_gui.cpp: -Fix (r16042): Win compilation. (Swallow) 18:41:10 <frosch123> though the nightly succeeded 18:41:14 <TrueBrain> so I guess no windows nightlies tonight :p 18:41:21 <TrueBrain> frosch123: most likely only the pdb ;) 18:41:58 <TrueBrain> win64 worked, win32 failed 18:42:00 <TrueBrain> funny :p 18:42:23 <frosch123> so why did DorpsGek not tell anyone? 18:42:29 <TrueBrain> because pdb worked 18:42:37 <TrueBrain> MSVC has this NASTY bug that it does produce a valid pdb file even if the compile failed 18:42:45 <frosch123> ... 18:42:46 <TrueBrain> and the CF just checks if there is any file 18:45:11 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:46:55 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81582.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:48:28 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81C9F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:48:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:52:00 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db03598.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: saufen \o/] 18:53:15 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:54:06 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:44 <TrueBrain> hmm .. how to make an image with your webcam under linux? 18:58:25 <Noldo> sounds like video 4 linux stuff 18:58:43 <TrueBrain> that is installed and stuff .. but I wonder which software does the actual image capaturing .. can't find any really .. :( 18:59:19 <Noldo> cat the right device maybe := 18:59:21 <Noldo> :) 18:59:56 <Sacro> TrueBrain: mplayer? 19:00:12 <Sacro> I have errm, cheese booth or something 19:00:15 <TrueBrain> I want a still image 19:00:30 <Sacro> cheese webcam booth under gnome 19:00:39 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm168.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:00:51 <frosch123> TrueBrain: try a scanner program 19:00:52 <Sacro> if it's v4l then mplayer can use it as can xine, perhaps gstreamer 19:02:04 *** el_en [~lauri@80.220.3.56] has joined #openttd 19:02:33 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@141.114.217.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:02:42 <TrueBrain> frosch123: works 19:03:07 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-108-84.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:03:16 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-108-84.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 19:03:32 <frosch123> nice, now show us your flat! 19:03:42 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:03:45 <TrueBrain> my webcam is ... slightly modified :p 19:04:05 <frosch123> it records the coffee machine, or the interior of your server room? 19:04:13 <TrueBrain> it is in the IR 19:04:47 <frosch123> so the climate of your server room 19:04:54 <Noldo> was it really as easy to mod as they say? 19:05:16 <TrueBrain> just put a piece of old-style film thingy between the ccd and the rest 19:06:54 <el_en> ... and in most cases it would be preferrable to remove the IR filter first. 19:07:18 <TrueBrain> el_en: haha, yeah :) 19:07:45 *** titan098 [~titan098@wbs-41-208-203-119.wbs.co.za] has joined #openttd 19:07:56 <TrueBrain> of course it only gives very near infrared 19:08:27 <Sacro> get a zoom lens 19:08:34 *** titan098 [~titan098@wbs-41-208-203-119.wbs.co.za] has quit [] 19:11:24 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D27C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:12:34 *** Andy|Sleep [~nnscript@cpc2-shep7-0-0-cust346.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:13:24 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:13:56 <TrueBrain> bah, I can't get my lense off to remove that piece ... hehe 19:15:21 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:58 <Andy|Sleep> is there anyway to drag diagonal drag to build multiple pieces? 19:16:08 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16045 /trunk/src/ (47 files in 3 dirs): -Feature [FS#597]: allow sorting stations by the lowest cargo rating instead of only by the highest cargo rating (based on the idea of KeeperOfTheSoul) 19:16:21 <frosch123> use autorail 19:16:31 <Andy|Sleep> Only way? 19:16:40 <Rubidium> at the moment yes 19:16:49 <Rubidium> until someone changes it 19:17:01 <Andy|Sleep> OK 19:17:04 <Andy|Sleep> thanks, 19:17:25 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Quit: AdiaÅ.] 19:17:33 *** zorgulo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:24 <glx> TrueBrain: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/ottd_depend.cpp <-- that handles #stuff except #if 19:18:37 <Andy|Sleep> My tracks are to complex, autorail dosent cut it 19:18:59 <Andy|Sleep> be a nice fix. 19:19:48 <TrueBrain> bah, I no longer have that piece that keeps IR out .. so now my webcam shows a mixture of colours .. mostly red is almost gone :p 19:21:57 <TrueBrain> nice work glx :) 19:21:59 <TrueBrain> and it is lovely small :) 19:23:37 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16046 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Change: when sorting on cargo ratings only take a look at the ratings of the cargoes that are 'selected'. 19:24:23 <petern> feature night 19:24:37 <glx> hmm maybe I could borrow nail v1 parser 19:24:56 <TrueBrain> glx: a full lexer? Sounds overkill ;) 19:25:08 <glx> not a full one ;) 19:25:09 *** zorgulo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Quit: AdiaÅ.] 19:25:20 <glx> it just needs to parse #xxxx 19:26:12 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r16047 /trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Extracting widget number enums from their window classes. 19:28:18 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16048 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix/Feature-ish [FS#2740]: don't warn that crashed vehicles are getting old; upgrading them is impossible (racetrack) 19:29:44 <TinoDidriksen> That must have been a rarely seen event... 19:30:46 <TrueBrain> clearly, I need a new webcame .. anyway .. 19:31:00 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r16049 /trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets to town windows. 19:31:13 <TrueBrain> battle of the devs 19:32:21 <Alberth> In new features, I have no chance at all atm 19:33:13 <TrueBrain> Alberth: I don't put features above codechanges .. in fact .. I put codechanges above features :) 19:33:16 <TrueBrain> so yuo are good ;) 19:33:23 <frosch123> -Feature: Support RTL in xxx window :) 19:37:46 <Rubidium> Alberth's just preparing for a massive feature ;) 19:38:34 <Alberth> for the next two months :) 19:38:37 <petern> heh 19:38:59 <Zuu> Alberth: Really nice job you are doing though. :) 19:39:07 <Sacro> Yeah, great Alberth :) 19:39:12 <Sacro> much better than Bjarni... 19:39:18 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:39:46 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-146.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:39:51 <Alberth> thanks 19:40:21 <TrueBrain> bad Sacro! 19:40:24 <TrueBrain> that is one nasty comment 19:40:30 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:43 <Alberth> well enough today. See you all tomorrow again 19:40:48 <TrueBrain> bye albe 19:40:50 <TrueBrain> bye Alberth 19:40:55 <SHRIKEE> :o 19:41:01 <Rubidium> night Alberth 19:41:08 <Zuu> good night Alberth 19:41:37 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:45:00 *** Andy|Sleep [~nnscript@cpc2-shep7-0-0-cust346.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 19:46:21 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:50:32 <petern> bah 19:50:33 <petern> stupid dhcp 19:50:45 <petern> i need a proper router :s 19:50:53 <yorick> hm, when running gdb and doing continue after it did SIGTRAP, it works 19:50:54 <petern> one that stores the leases 20:00:46 <Zuu> Now this is silly, the day I put up a new version of OpenTTD Auto Update, the win32 nightly is broken. :D 20:01:28 <Zuu> Hope they don't beleive I have put up a broken program now :) 20:02:05 <petern> :D :D 20:04:08 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:05:26 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:06:49 *** el_en [~lauri@80.220.3.56] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:09:20 *** deghost [~asdf@CPE0040caacdf99-CM0011ae8a728e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 20:14:41 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590febf9.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19:29 <Ammler> Zuu: doesn't your updater "handle" that? 20:19:40 <Ammler> finger is still yesterday nightly 20:20:10 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D27C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:20:46 <Zuu> finger says r16043 to me 20:20:58 <Zuu> Which is todays nightly. 20:21:58 <Zuu> The server don't check the URL as that would take another round trip time, as it currently has no cache implemented. The clients then report to the user that the URL don't work. 20:23:41 <Wolf01> bah, no win32 nightly? 20:24:37 <Ammler> oh 20:24:47 <Ammler> sorry, cache issue :P 20:33:56 <Zuu> Ok :) 20:42:01 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:42:16 <glx> weird win64 and win9x are ok 20:43:51 <glx> anyway it's already fixed 20:51:13 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:26 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@83.85.245.253] has joined #openttd 20:52:44 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:54:15 * Xaroth stabs Zuu 20:54:16 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:56 <Xaroth> or well 20:55:00 * Xaroth pokes Zuu 20:55:07 <Zuu> Xaroth: Ok 20:55:17 <Xaroth> har har 20:55:23 <Xaroth> mind if i shoot ye a pm? 20:55:35 *** lencol_po_qiqe [pad@bl8-190-102.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 20:55:36 <Zuu> sure go ahead if you like 20:55:48 <Zuu> :) 20:56:06 <Zuu> Or simply post it here in public 20:56:19 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:21 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 20:59:18 *** batti5_ [~batti5@92.85.210.91] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:34 <Wolf01> I think discovering how to change the stop position in stations is hard, maybe colouring the string in a different way, orange or blue, helps a little 21:05:25 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@83.85.245.253] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]] 21:09:17 <glx> Wolf01: yeah I searche everywhere before clicking on it 21:09:33 <pavel1269> gn 21:09:58 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12:24 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:12:36 <Wolf01> and vc80 doesn't compile, seem it doesn't like ipv6 21:13:51 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:19 <glx> hmm I didn't check vc80 21:15:22 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:59 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 21:17:55 <glx> Wolf01: install latest platform sdk 21:17:59 <glx> (v6.1) 21:20:13 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:25:00 <Patrick> so in the new options panel, where are invisible trees? 21:25:12 <Patrick> I can't find a way to enable them any more 21:25:28 *** [1]KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.211.203] has joined #openttd 21:25:28 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest199 21:25:28 *** [1]KenjiE20 is now known as KenjiE20 21:25:41 <glx> Patrick: transparency windows 21:25:46 <glx> (ctrl-x) 21:26:00 <Patrick> ooh 21:26:49 <Patrick> invisible industries look wrong 21:27:43 <Patrick> is this saved across the whole game or on a per-save basis 21:27:55 <glx> it's a gui setting 21:27:56 <Patrick> and if it's per-save, how do I set it globally if I can't get to the transparency window other than in-game 21:29:02 *** Guest199 [~KenjiE20@92.23.211.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:05 <Zuu> I think it is saved per openttd.cfg if I understand glx correctly. 21:29:40 <glx> like news options and music ;) 21:42:17 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 21:47:16 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:47:39 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:31 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:51:31 <TrueBrain> one day a compile farils for a target, and 2 topics are created complaining about it 21:51:46 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I think the nightly page needs a big fat banner telling about such situations :p 21:51:57 <TrueBrain> on the other hand it is a big compliment that our nightlies mostly compile and work ;) 21:52:26 <glx> OTTDgetaddrinfo 21:52:26 <glx> OTTDfreeaddrinfo 21:52:26 <glx> OTTDfreeaddrinfo (custom) 21:52:44 <glx> I now understand why I get SIGTRAP in gdb :) 21:54:26 * SpComb wonders what SIGTRAP is 21:54:55 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:55:04 <glx> in this case it's because memory allocated by a dll is freed outside 21:55:17 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:59:37 <TrueBrain> glx: sounds horrible :) 22:00:01 <glx> well it seems my code fails somewhere 22:00:37 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: any idea how to get that in there in a nice manner? 22:00:38 <TrueBrain> you sound suprised :) 22:01:10 <Rubidium> or maybe we should make 'fake' binaries that resolve to a webpage with "compilation failed, try again tomorrow" 22:01:15 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: the only way I can think up, is to show all targets we expect, and if they are missing, making them red or something, with a pop-over: it failed this night 22:01:37 <TrueBrain> fake binary can be nasty, for things that 'auto' download 22:02:53 <TrueBrain> loking at the windows-only download page, I can see the problem for people .. 64bit being there and stuff 22:03:14 <Rubidium> just don't give the binary the same name ;) 22:03:33 <Rubidium> e.g. openttd-trunk-r12345-win32.zip.failed.html 22:03:48 <Rubidium> then string .failed.html when showing the list ;) 22:05:42 *** Splex [~splex@24.245.55.70] has joined #openttd 22:07:06 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 22:08:09 <glx> of course yorick is not here 22:08:25 <Rubidium> is he ever here? 22:08:35 <glx> he was 22:08:59 <SmatZ> @seen yorick 22:08:59 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: yorick was last seen in #openttd 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <yorick> hm, when running gdb and doing continue after it did SIGTRAP, it works 22:09:10 <glx> I wanted him to test http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/sigtrap.diff as ottd was crashing for him outside gdb too 22:09:45 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: that might just work ... 22:10:21 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:10:27 <glx> it's a very little typo ;) 22:10:48 <TrueBrain> lol @ glx :) 22:11:43 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I write it down, and something to look at when doing CF3 :p 22:13:18 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: glx * r16050 /trunk/src/network/core/os_abstraction.h: -Fix (r15933): little typo causing OTTDfreeaddrinfo to use the fallback even when freeaddrinfo is available 22:13:48 <glx> so FS#2809 is maybe fixed, but as I could not reproduce 22:14:05 <TrueBrain> glx: just mark it fixed, and let it reopen when it is needed/required ;) 22:15:03 <TrueBrain> well .. night time for me I guess 22:15:05 <TrueBrain> night all :) 22:19:22 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.30.230] has joined #openttd 22:23:03 <Zuu> Indeed, time to sleep. Good night 22:23:13 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:23:55 <SpComb> glx: heh... what's this thing called "testing" that I've sometimes heard of? :) 22:24:24 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:26 <Rubidium> a myth 22:27:35 <glx> SpComb: it worked for me 22:30:24 <glx> if win9x, win32 (gcc & msvc) compiles and if it doesn't crash when I run it on XP and win98 it should be safe to commit ;) 22:41:22 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 22:49:43 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.30.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:12 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-146.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 23:00:39 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81C9F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 23:03:55 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:04:00 <Wolf01> 'night 23:04:08 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host94-15-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:14:50 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179087240.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:35:04 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 23:38:44 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DF9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43:32 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-154-14.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:50:45 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 23:54:03 *** `Fuco`` [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]