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00:05:14 *** PublicServer has quit IRC 00:12:23 *** xineohp has joined #openttdcoop 00:13:58 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 00:13:59 *** Chris_Booth__ has quit IRC 00:18:44 *** phoenix86 has quit IRC 02:04:58 *** Yexo- has joined #openttdcoop 02:05:21 *** Yexo has quit IRC 02:05:21 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 02:05:21 *** seberoth has quit IRC 02:05:21 *** xineohp has quit IRC 02:05:21 *** seberoth has joined #openttdcoop 02:05:28 *** DJ_Nekkid has joined #openttdcoop 02:05:35 *** DJ_Nekkid is now known as DJNekkid 02:06:39 *** Mark has joined #openttdcoop 02:15:28 <Mark> hiya 03:09:02 *** Mark has quit IRC 05:08:00 <Sylf> !password 05:08:23 <Sylf> oh. 05:08:45 <Sylf> server's down again 05:18:29 *** DayDreamer has joined #openttdcoop 05:19:50 *** elmz has joined #openttdcoop 05:36:44 *** Mucht has quit IRC 05:45:40 *** murr4y has quit IRC 05:45:40 *** Rediz_ has quit IRC 05:48:56 *** murr4y has joined #openttdcoop 06:00:44 *** DayDreamer has quit IRC 06:00:59 *** Mucht has joined #openttdcoop 06:00:59 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Mucht 06:02:35 *** Rediz_ has joined #openttdcoop 06:37:21 *** r0b0tb0y has joined #openttdcoop 06:41:57 *** Rediz_ has quit IRC 06:45:47 *** Rediz_ has joined #openttdcoop 06:55:31 *** Tray has joined #openttdcoop 07:08:14 *** pugi has joined #openttdcoop 07:15:30 *** Chrill has joined #openttdcoop 07:43:33 *** xineohp has joined #openttdcoop 07:45:56 *** Lokimaros has joined #openttdcoop 07:49:19 *** Mazur has quit IRC 07:50:05 *** Lokimaros is now known as Mazur 07:56:36 *** xineohp is now known as phoenix_ 08:04:43 *** Chrill has quit IRC 08:05:03 *** Chrill has joined #openttdcoop 08:24:07 *** `real has joined #openttdcoop 08:29:14 *** real` has quit IRC 08:39:57 *** r0b0tb0y has quit IRC 08:43:57 *** Mazur has quit IRC 08:44:43 *** Mazur has joined #openttdcoop 08:46:55 *** r0b0tb0y has joined #openttdcoop 08:48:28 *** `real has quit IRC 08:52:00 *** `real has joined #openttdcoop 08:56:07 *** r0b0tb0y has quit IRC 09:02:53 <Tray> password 09:02:57 <Tray> !password 09:03:16 <Tray> hrm. 09:04:23 <V453000> död atm 09:06:42 <Mazur> Department of Defense? Why do they need PublicServer? I thoughrt the draft was abolished, anyway? 09:06:45 *** PublicServer has joined #openttdcoop 09:06:45 <PublicServer> Autopilot engaged 09:06:45 <PublicServer> Loading savegame: '#openttdcoop - The Public Server (www.openttdcoop.org)' 09:06:45 *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG204 (r22255) | STAGE: Voting | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | English only | You can't edit wiki anymore? visit http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Special:ConfirmEmail" 09:06:45 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v PublicServer 09:06:48 <Chrill> boom 09:06:52 <V453000> there we go :) 09:06:59 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0000684A: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0000684A.png 09:07:03 <Mazur> Hi, PublicServer. 09:07:11 <planetmaker> well, no one (re)started it :-( 09:07:27 <Mazur> I would not know how to. 09:07:32 <planetmaker> please check whether it's the correct one. Beaujolais Transport? 09:07:34 *** phoenix_ has quit IRC 09:07:40 <V453000> yarr 09:07:47 <Mazur> Qui. 09:08:02 *** xineohp has joined #openttdcoop 09:08:15 <V453000> I am at school so I cannot check whether it is the latest stage of voting though 09:08:26 <Tray> !password 09:08:26 <PublicServer> Tray: cleric 09:08:38 <planetmaker> it's the newest autosave I found ;-) 09:08:39 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 09:08:49 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 09:08:52 <PublicServer> *** Tray joined the game 09:08:57 <V453000> sure, but when the game is paused most of the time, autosaves can be old easily :) 09:09:13 <Tray> looks good. 09:09:14 <planetmaker> yes, but paused one cannot vote either 09:09:27 <V453000> you can place signs during pause 09:09:43 <planetmaker> hm, yes. Only as spec not 09:09:59 <V453000> :) Tray: what is the score? 09:10:15 <PublicServer> <Tray> 3-0-4-1-1 09:10:21 <V453000> then that is correct :) 09:10:24 <planetmaker> that was the last I remember 09:10:34 <PublicServer> <Tray> cb-lukeus-v-xtc-vinnie 09:11:10 <planetmaker> 22:12h yesterday 09:12:16 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 09:12:16 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 09:12:18 <PublicServer> *** Mazur joined the game 09:12:25 <planetmaker> hm, server came to live again 1:34h ago... 09:12:41 <planetmaker> and I wonder where our amiable host is 09:12:48 <Mazur> Looks like the right save, 8 votes. 09:12:55 <Mazur> 9, even. 09:13:12 <Mazur> Which is one more than I last remember. 09:13:18 <V453000> hm, we started voting 2 days ago? 09:13:22 <Mazur> Si. 09:13:32 <V453000> gets long again ._. 09:13:58 <Mazur> Well, two "strong" plans... 09:14:05 <Mazur> Or strongly favoured. 09:14:40 <Mazur> I could change my vote, but it would not alter the situation really. 09:15:37 <V453000> lets wait until tonight and see then 09:15:55 <Mazur> Sure. 09:16:13 <Mazur> I'm in no hurry, trying to perfect my sound set up, 09:16:19 <V453000> :) 09:16:29 <Mazur> ANd having a little untraceable problem. 09:16:48 <Mazur> Alsa my wireless will not poll hte dhcp server. 09:17:03 <Mazur> So I'm not bored. 09:17:05 <Mazur> :-) 09:17:16 <V453000> he :) 09:17:54 <Mazur> And yesterday my sound ran perfectly, no idea what I changted since then. 09:17:57 * Mazur weeps. 09:18:05 <Mazur> -t 09:18:06 <V453000> hammer helps 09:19:23 <Mazur> Sledge Hammer? That was not as much fun as Police Squad. 09:19:58 <V453000> mainly the "smash" part :P 09:20:55 <Mazur> Nah, it'd mean I'd ahve to fork over a lot of money I don't actually have to replace the stuff. 09:21:20 <Mazur> I could rob a bank, but how successfull is that these days.... 09:21:48 <V453000> become a politician, easy robberies 09:22:18 <V453000> maybe not from banks, but well 09:22:24 <Mazur> I can;t lie that well. 09:22:27 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop 09:22:37 <V453000> bad bad :) 09:39:05 *** xineohp has quit IRC 09:41:11 *** DayDreamer has joined #openttdcoop 09:46:31 *** xineohp has joined #openttdcoop 09:50:50 *** Lukeus_Maximus has joined #openttdcoop 09:54:10 <PublicServer> *** Tray has left the game (leaving) 09:54:10 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 10:19:14 *** Mazur has quit IRC 10:19:14 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has left the game (connection lost) 10:23:13 *** Mazur has joined #openttdcoop 10:36:34 *** xineohp has quit IRC 10:43:09 <Ammler> planetmaker: again: ./svn-publicserver/autopilot/bin/start.sh -c 10:43:12 <Ammler> :-P 10:55:29 <Chris_Booth> morning all 10:55:32 <planetmaker> hm, that also loads the autosave, right? 10:56:38 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 10:56:41 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth joined the game 10:57:46 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth has left the game (leaving) 10:58:05 <Ammler> the loads the last autosave before crash 10:58:22 <Chris_Booth> planetmaker doesn't look like they will get their boat on the stable server but I will donate anyway 10:58:37 <planetmaker> they won't? :-( 10:58:50 <planetmaker> it would be cool also gaming-wise, if they would ;-) 10:59:17 <Chris_Booth> the only make £10mill with 360 train, with that rate they would need 9 times as many trains 10:59:33 <Chris_Booth> dont with any one can handle 3k trains 10:59:34 <planetmaker> :-D 10:59:51 <Chris_Booth> but that doesn't factor in better trains 11:00:10 <Chris_Booth> which might make it possible with around 2k trains 11:00:24 <Chris_Booth> not sure what the 'best' NARS2 train is 11:00:24 <planetmaker> still. Better trains may give you 50% more or so, maybe 100%. But... 11:00:37 <planetmaker> ... not 1000% 11:03:15 <Chris_Booth> its a good goal to set them 11:03:22 <Chris_Booth> and a good way to get them to coop 11:04:47 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop 11:04:47 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o KenjiE20 11:05:09 *** Chrill has quit IRC 11:05:31 *** Chrill has joined #openttdcoop 11:05:32 <Chris_Booth> lol in coop stats I have rejoined more than combuster this month XD 11:08:20 *** xineohp has joined #openttdcoop 11:11:44 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttdcoop 11:12:19 <planetmaker> simply due to combuster not being here 11:12:45 *** Capeguy has joined #openttdcoop 11:12:51 <Capeguy> !password 11:12:51 <PublicServer> Capeguy: softly 11:13:04 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 11:13:08 <PublicServer> *** Player has joined spectators 11:13:28 <PublicServer> *** Player has changed his/her name to Capeguy 11:14:04 <PublicServer> *** Capeguy has left the game (leaving) 11:14:07 *** Capeguy has quit IRC 11:31:10 *** xineohp has quit IRC 11:33:34 *** Core has quit IRC 11:40:19 *** fmauneko has joined #openttdcoop 11:41:22 *** fmauneko has quit IRC 11:42:40 *** xineohp has joined #openttdcoop 11:56:32 *** DayDreamer has quit IRC 12:07:31 *** Fuco has joined #openttdcoop 12:07:35 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Fuco 12:08:56 *** fonsinchen has joined #openttdcoop 12:25:09 *** Mazur has quit IRC 12:29:19 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 12:29:31 *** Mazur has joined #openttdcoop 12:29:44 *** Chrill has quit IRC 12:38:36 <Mazur> Yesssssssssssss. 12:38:38 <Mazur> Nailed it! 12:38:42 <Mazur> Hm, now what is it, that I changed, that makes it work.... 12:38:44 * Mazur scratches his head. 12:41:47 <Mazur> Ayep. 12:44:39 *** Lukeus_Maximus has quit IRC 12:51:09 *** DayDreamer has joined #openttdcoop 13:06:39 *** Mazur has quit IRC 13:19:41 *** Mazur has joined #openttdcoop 13:25:11 *** roboboy has joined #openttdcoop 13:29:25 *** Mazur has quit IRC 13:32:22 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttdcoop 13:39:16 *** Yexo- is now known as Yexo 13:51:57 <Chris_Booth> Mazur who have you nails? 13:59:07 *** murr4y has quit IRC 14:13:05 *** murr4y has joined #openttdcoop 14:18:04 *** Mazur has joined #openttdcoop 14:24:00 <Chris_Booth> Mazur who have you nailed? 14:25:41 *** Lukeus_Maximus has joined #openttdcoop 14:26:09 *** Mazur has quit IRC 14:34:24 *** Mazur has joined #openttdcoop 14:35:02 <V453000> !password 14:35:02 <PublicServer> V453000: softly 14:35:12 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 14:35:15 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 14:45:31 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has joined spectators 14:59:26 *** roboboy has quit IRC 15:08:08 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:08:10 <PublicServer> *** Mazur joined the game 15:08:14 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has joined spectators 15:18:08 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 15:19:10 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:19:10 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 15:20:47 *** ZirconiumX has joined #openttdcoop 15:20:55 *** ZirconiumX has left #openttdcoop 15:27:27 *** tycoondemon has quit IRC 15:27:56 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop 15:35:44 *** tycoondemon has joined #openttdcoop 15:39:43 <Lukeus_Maximus> we entering building soon? 15:43:29 <planetmaker> yeah... 15:44:23 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:44:25 <PublicServer> *** planetm4ker joined the game 15:46:19 <PublicServer> *** planetm4ker has left the game (leaving) 15:53:04 *** murr4y has quit IRC 15:57:23 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 16:09:49 <xineohp> when exactly is soon? 16:10:08 *** xineohp is now known as phoenix_ 16:10:21 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop 16:10:21 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 16:10:35 <phoenix_> !password 16:10:35 <PublicServer> phoenix_: sagger 16:10:56 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 16:10:58 <PublicServer> *** phoenix joined the game 16:15:43 <planetmaker> this evening :-) 16:15:54 *** fonsinchen has quit IRC 16:15:54 <planetmaker> I guess V453000 needs to be around as his plan seems to be the winner currently 16:16:05 <phoenix_> hm 16:21:39 <V453000> am I not ? :p 16:22:18 <planetmaker> well :-) 16:23:57 <V453000> we could start right away I suppose .. 16:25:30 <V453000> !password 16:25:30 <PublicServer> V453000: laurel 16:25:44 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 16:25:44 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 16:25:44 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 16:28:20 <V453000> pm: care to grasp your master winner declarer role? :) 16:28:39 <planetmaker> oh noooo! V453000 won! Again! 16:28:57 <planetmaker> Now go and build the best plan on the map ;-) 16:29:17 <V453000> hm, I guess that does it :D 16:29:42 <planetmaker> @stage Building 16:29:42 *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG204 (r22255) | STAGE: Building | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | English only | You can't edit wiki anymore? visit http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Special:ConfirmEmail" 16:29:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> I will sign you under the declaration as usual :p 16:29:52 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 16:29:52 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 16:30:02 <V453000> !password 16:30:02 <PublicServer> V453000: laurel 16:30:12 <planetmaker> :-P where is this declaration done other than here? 16:30:14 <Lukeus_Maximus> greeeeeeat 16:30:39 <V453000> under the voting board 16:30:46 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 16:30:50 <planetmaker> ah. Never noticed that ;-) 16:30:53 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 16:30:56 <V453000> :p 16:31:09 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 16:31:09 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 16:31:10 * planetmaker senses document fraud :-P 16:31:12 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 16:31:23 <V453000> :D 16:32:01 <V453000> @tweet PSG204 Building stage starts right now! 16:32:03 <Webster> V453000: The operation succeeded. 16:33:32 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 16:33:34 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 16:33:40 <Webster> 1 new tweet(s): openttdcoop PSG204 Building stage starts right now! ^V4, 1 minute ago via SupyTweet. (56031486641573888) 16:34:34 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 16:34:34 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 16:34:35 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 16:37:00 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0000BD15: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0000BD15.png 16:44:42 <phoenix_> V453000: how do you plan to collect the oil? per ship? 16:44:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> trains of course 16:45:28 <PublicServer> <phoenix> can you get close enough? 16:45:35 <PublicServer> <V453000> sure, no problem 16:45:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> just terraform little islands 16:45:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> does not need much 16:46:23 *** Benny has joined #openttdcoop 16:46:38 <Benny> Hmm, how did this go again.. 16:46:38 <Benny> !revision 16:46:38 <PublicServer> Benny: Game version is r22255 16:46:46 <Benny> Ah. 16:47:05 <Benny> !players 16:47:08 <PublicServer> Benny: Client 22 (Orange) is phoenix, in company 1 (Beaujolais Transport) 16:47:08 <PublicServer> Benny: Client 15 is Mazur, a spectator 16:47:08 <PublicServer> Benny: Client 32 (Orange) is V453000, in company 1 (Beaujolais Transport) 16:48:02 <phoenix_> V453000: so the water in your plan is part of the primary network? 16:48:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> no 16:48:31 <phoenix_> hm, i'm confused 16:48:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> well, the primary network needs to connect the other primaries somehow, through SLHs 16:49:01 <Benny> !revision 16:49:01 <PublicServer> Benny: Game version is r22255 16:49:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> so, the same way an oil rig is connected 16:49:49 <PublicServer> <phoenix> ah, ok, so that is not explicitly planed yet 16:49:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> well, basically not 16:50:28 <PublicServer> <V453000> I am building the central BBH now, so we could build the other four around it next :) 16:50:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> feel free to lay down the primary ML and/or have a go on a drop station :) 16:51:29 <phoenix_> ok, but keep in mind that im new to this coop style building 16:51:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> how else do you learn than trying ;) 16:51:46 <Benny> !password 16:51:46 <PublicServer> Benny: rebuff 16:51:58 <PublicServer> *** Benny joined the game 16:51:59 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi :) 16:52:00 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0000A114: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0000A114.png 16:52:11 <Benny> Yup, don't wanna know how much stuff I've screwed up around here.. >_> 16:52:37 <Benny> Er 16:52:45 <Benny> How do I move the toolbar thingy to the middle again? 16:53:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> that is somewhere in the advanced settings,I assume in the interface tab 16:53:27 <Benny> Ah, yes. Thanks. 16:53:49 <PublicServer> <Benny> Ooh, small map. I like that. I like that a lot. 17:00:14 <phoenix_> what does the "pax" in the secondary net stand for? 17:00:19 <PublicServer> <V453000> passengers 17:00:29 <PublicServer> <phoenix> k 17:01:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> alright, BBH 01 is there 17:02:01 <PublicServer> <phoenix> looks interessting 17:02:40 <PublicServer> <V453000> it is balanced basically 17:02:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> you do not need to balance all lines always 17:02:58 <PublicServer> <Benny> Oh. 17:03:05 <PublicServer> <phoenix> k 17:03:19 <PublicServer> <V453000> there are 2 lines which choose among the other lines, and 2 that just pass by 17:03:43 <PublicServer> <Benny> I see. 17:04:46 <PublicServer> <phoenix> could you place some markers where the other hubs should be? 17:04:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> just about to do that in the next minute 17:05:02 <PublicServer> <V453000> needed the center first :p 17:05:04 <PublicServer> <phoenix> ^ 17:06:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> there 17:07:00 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00018D1A: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00018D1A.png 17:08:22 <PublicServer> <Benny> Oil drop, how many platforms? Think I'd like to give it a shot, even though I'm quite rusty these days. :) 17:08:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> depends on station design 17:08:55 <PublicServer> <Benny> Was thinking maybe roro all to all? 17:09:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> depends ... 17:09:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> just build it and see later :) 17:09:57 <PublicServer> <Benny> Okay :) 17:11:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> 8 seems good to me :) 17:11:41 <PublicServer> <Benny> :) 17:13:16 <Chris_Booth> building 17:13:24 <Chris_Booth> I guess you won then V453000 17:13:31 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes 17:13:33 <PublicServer> <Benny> Hey Chris! 17:13:45 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth joined the game 17:13:51 <Chris_Booth> not bennythenoob 17:14:05 <PublicServer> <Benny> Yes it is. 17:14:07 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> you won bye one vote? 17:14:19 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> when only 9 people votes? 17:14:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> no votes added in 24 hours and I guess pm could have changed his vote since he declared it 17:14:33 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I would have left it until friday 17:15:04 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> can't play now ayway 17:15:12 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> but don't build it all 17:15:16 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I will be back 17:15:46 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth has left the game (connection lost) 17:15:58 <Chris_Booth> hi Benny and bye bye all 17:16:03 <Chris_Booth> will be back tomorrow 17:16:18 <PublicServer> <Benny> Heh, bye. 17:22:00 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0001B91B: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0001B91B.png 17:25:06 <planetmaker> ho ho, long time no see, Benny :-) 17:25:24 <PublicServer> <Benny> Haha, hello pm. ;) 17:25:34 <SmatZ> hello noob :P 17:25:34 *** murr4y has joined #openttdcoop 17:25:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D 17:25:47 <PublicServer> <Benny> Yeah yeah :P 17:25:50 <SmatZ> :-) 17:27:47 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Looks nice, V. 17:27:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> :p. 17:28:59 <PublicServer> *** SmatZ joined the game 17:29:03 <PublicServer> <SmatZ> helllo 17:29:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi beer :) 17:29:09 <PublicServer> <Mazur> MatZ. 17:29:17 <PublicServer> <SmatZ> hello V453000 and Mazur :) 17:29:37 * Mazur is not here, he's making and eating dinner. 17:29:43 <PublicServer> <SmatZ> yum 17:29:57 <PublicServer> <SmatZ> ohh 17:30:04 <PublicServer> <SmatZ> I missed the voting stage :( 17:30:26 <PublicServer> <SmatZ> hmm there is some empty sign 17:32:58 <PublicServer> <Benny> I'm not too proud of my oil drop. I suspect I may have chosen a stupid place to built it at. 17:33:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> very curious how will you signal that 17:33:45 <PublicServer> <Benny> Why? Any problems? 17:33:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> just do it, we will see :) 17:34:34 <PublicServer> <Benny> Do we still hate PBS or what? 17:34:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> well, unless there is a good reason for it, we do 17:35:06 <PublicServer> <Benny> Then I'm in deep shit here. 17:35:21 <PublicServer> <SmatZ> :D 17:35:23 <PublicServer> *** SmatZ has left the game (leaving) 17:35:44 <PublicServer> <Benny> ..yeah no this won't work. 17:35:46 <PublicServer> <Benny> at all 17:37:01 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0000F83A: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0000F83A.png 17:37:16 <PublicServer> <phoenix> V: is that what you are building the drop or the two pickups or somehow all three stations? 17:37:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> well ... you could use a PBS, but there is no reason for it and to be hones, it will not work too well even with PBS 17:37:30 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes, phoenix 17:37:36 <PublicServer> <phoenix> k 17:37:49 <PublicServer> <Benny> I'll just try to start over. 17:39:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> feel free to use the PBS, but it has to help somehow in that situation 17:40:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> in other words, just do whatever you see fit : 17:40:02 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 17:40:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> can always be fixed 17:40:55 <PublicServer> <phoenix> is the pax net gonna be LL3RR also? 17:41:10 <PublicServer> <V453000> no, start with L_R and improve later 17:41:18 <PublicServer> <phoenix> k 17:41:18 <PublicServer> <V453000> sorry, didnt say :) 17:42:26 <Sylf> !password 17:42:26 <PublicServer> Sylf: nooses 17:42:29 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 17:42:42 <PublicServer> *** Sylf joined the game 17:42:58 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 17:43:12 <V453000> hello there :) 17:43:28 <PublicServer> <Sylf> ello 17:44:40 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 17:45:15 <PublicServer> *** Sylf has joined spectators 17:47:32 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 17:49:19 *** Modi has joined #openttdcoop 17:50:41 <Modi> !password 17:50:41 <PublicServer> Modi: nooses 17:50:59 <PublicServer> *** Modi joined the game 17:51:00 <SmatZ> noses! 17:51:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi 17:52:01 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0000FE3B: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0000FE3B.png 17:52:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> :P 17:52:22 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 17:53:15 <PublicServer> *** Sylf has left the game (connection lost) 17:55:44 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttdcoop 17:57:06 <Vinnie_nl> !password 17:57:06 <PublicServer> Vinnie_nl: thorns 17:57:42 <PublicServer> *** Vinnie joined the game 17:57:51 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi 17:57:53 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hey 17:58:37 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> your the only one building 17:58:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> well, join me then :D 17:58:57 <PublicServer> <Benny> I'm building. 17:59:05 <PublicServer> <phoenix> me too 17:59:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> see? :) 17:59:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> phoenix: might be nice to make the pax line run through !this 18:00:23 *** Benny_ has joined #openttdcoop 18:00:34 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> massive tf overkill 18:00:36 <PublicServer> <phoenix> how do I search a sign? 18:00:48 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> whoever is building Beziers heights 18:00:56 <PublicServer> <Benny> I am 18:00:58 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> keep the minimap button pressed 18:01:02 <PublicServer> <Benny> Trying to clean up my TFing 18:01:04 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> then lowest option 18:01:14 <PublicServer> <Benny> What do you mean 18:01:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> suggestion, dont try to clean it up, it looks terrible now :) 18:01:28 <PublicServer> <Benny> Crap 18:01:40 <PublicServer> *** Vinnie has joined company #1 18:01:42 <PublicServer> <Benny> With trees on it looks ok 18:01:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> everything looks ok with trees 18:02:14 <PublicServer> <Benny> Good point. 18:02:42 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> V you missed soome pprio's for mergers BBH 01 on purpose? 18:02:46 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> prio's 18:02:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> did I? 18:03:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> I dont think so 18:03:07 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> To East and west 18:04:11 <PublicServer> <phoenix> how long must a diagonal track be, so that a TL3 + signals fit on it? 18:04:36 <PublicServer> *** Modi has left the game (leaving) 18:04:40 *** Modi has quit IRC 18:06:29 *** Benny has quit IRC 18:07:01 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0001C316: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0001C316.png 18:07:49 <PublicServer> <Benny> V, any complaints on the oil drop now? 18:07:59 <PublicServer> <V453000> you will need waiting bays 18:07:59 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> PAX also LL_RR? 18:08:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> Vinnie: L_R 18:08:26 <PublicServer> <Benny> After the X'es? 18:08:42 <PublicServer> <Benny> oh 18:08:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> a train needs to fit there 18:09:02 <PublicServer> <Benny> Well okay then. :) 18:12:08 *** fonsinchen has joined #openttdcoop 18:13:12 <PublicServer> <Benny> Like so. 18:13:55 <PublicServer> <Benny> Hah 18:13:57 <PublicServer> <Benny> Im an idiot 18:14:03 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> btw that is me not V 18:14:19 <PublicServer> <V453000> wha? 18:14:27 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i am signing his work 18:14:31 <PublicServer> <V453000> ah 18:14:54 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> PAX BBH 03 done 18:14:58 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 18:15:51 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> need some help phoenix? 18:16:32 <PublicServer> <phoenix> well, im propably going to copy you ... 18:16:41 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> nah i can teach you 18:16:45 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> teatch 18:16:46 *** Tussengas has joined #openttdcoop 18:16:50 <PublicServer> <Benny> teach* 18:16:56 <Tussengas> Hey 18:16:58 <Tussengas> !password 18:16:58 <PublicServer> Tussengas: scopes 18:17:00 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hey 18:17:09 <PublicServer> <phoenix> ok, thx, please do so 18:17:27 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i will make an other one and tell you all the steps i make 18:17:27 <PublicServer> *** Tussengas joined the game 18:17:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> hello Tussengas :) 18:17:36 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> then you can repeat for your BBH 18:17:43 <PublicServer> <Benny> I need someones opinion on normal signals vs presignals. V? 18:17:51 <PublicServer> <V453000> what 18:17:59 <PublicServer> <Benny> Oil drop 18:18:01 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> So im gonna make BBH 04 18:18:15 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> first i lay the connections that enter BBH 18:18:39 <PublicServer> <V453000> it houldnt cause a bottleneck becaue there are 2 such gaps 18:19:03 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> you see phoenix? 18:19:15 <PublicServer> <phoenix> yes 18:19:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> there 18:19:28 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> then i make the easy straigt connection 18:19:28 <PublicServer> <Benny> Hmm, okay 18:19:32 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> outer line only 18:19:59 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> this connection needs an exit to the NW 18:20:06 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> that is the next step 18:20:33 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> also from NW it needs a join 18:20:42 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> we always build the joins after a split 18:20:45 <PublicServer> <Tussengas> where are u building? 18:20:54 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> Pax BBH 04 18:21:24 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> but as you can see now the left and right hand drive is reversed 18:21:32 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> so one line needs to cross the other 18:22:02 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00010443: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00010443.png 18:22:44 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> something like that 18:22:50 <PublicServer> <Tussengas> how long will the trains be this game? 18:22:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> 3 18:22:58 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> now we connect the last straight line 18:22:59 <Chris_Booth> read the plan 18:23:30 <PublicServer> <Tussengas> Sorry chris for missing the vote, otherwise you also would have 4 votes :p 18:24:08 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> now the last two connections 18:24:18 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> from the new straight line to the split 18:24:26 <Chris_Booth> aaah that make my rant earlier vaild even more :D 18:24:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> we could have also waited for your grandmother to come vote :) 18:24:51 <PublicServer> <Tussengas> :) 18:25:26 <Chris_Booth> my grandmother would hav evoted for you V453000 18:25:29 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> and it is done 18:25:30 <Chris_Booth> she hates me XD 18:25:33 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> all connections 18:25:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D 18:25:45 <PublicServer> <phoenix> isn't that second last diagonal track you made to short? 18:26:02 <PublicServer> <Tussengas> building a hub for 1 lane isnt really a problem... when its 3R 3L it starts to suck :p 18:26:04 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> a sign plz 18:26:18 <PublicServer> <V453000> define starts to suck :P 18:26:20 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i know tussengas but this is the basic 18:26:36 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> no it is 3 tiles long 18:26:52 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> drag a track over it it will say 3 18:27:29 <PublicServer> <Tussengas> I:p 18:27:56 <PublicServer> <phoenix> if the signal is red the straight track is blocked 18:28:06 <PublicServer> <Benny> we want waiting bays behind main line drops? 18:28:08 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yes 18:28:18 <PublicServer> <V453000> Benny: optionally, but not required 18:28:20 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> but for it to be red it would take a ml jam 18:28:22 <PublicServer> <phoenix> or does that not happen bc of the doubled tunnel 18:28:32 <PublicServer> <Benny> I have the space for it, is it preferreable? 18:28:36 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> indeed the double bridge does that 18:28:49 <PublicServer> <V453000> it is faster, but I think you have so many platforms already that it is totally fine this way 18:28:51 <PublicServer> <phoenix> k 18:29:02 <PublicServer> <Benny> okay then 18:29:05 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> now you can make yours and i will watch 18:29:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> in other words, the bays would not help anyhow :) 18:29:16 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> you can ask me anything then :) 18:29:32 <PublicServer> <phoenix> give me a few minutes i'm eating atm 18:30:37 <PublicServer> <Benny> And there we go, oil drop finished. Now we need a pickup. 18:30:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 18:31:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> hm, we should decide which TGV to use 18:32:23 <PublicServer> <Benny> The fastest one? 18:32:31 <PublicServer> <Tussengas> the slowest one? 18:32:35 <PublicServer> <V453000> I am actually considering the POS, since it has so much power 18:32:39 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 18:32:41 <PublicServer> <Benny> TL3 doesn't require much power though. 18:32:43 <V453000> !password 18:32:44 <PublicServer> V453000: teaing 18:33:02 <V453000> try duplex .. 18:33:21 <PublicServer> <Benny> duplex? 18:33:24 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (general error) 18:33:38 <V453000> the 300kmh pax tgv 18:33:49 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 18:35:16 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 18:35:40 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 18:36:02 <PublicServer> *** Tussengas has left the game (leaving) 18:37:02 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0000EF32: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0000EF32.png 18:37:47 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 18:38:03 <V453000> !password 18:38:03 <PublicServer> V453000: peeves 18:38:15 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 18:38:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> Duplex it i :) 18:38:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> it is 18:38:51 <PublicServer> <V453000> opinions, thoughts? :) 18:42:55 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> PBS :( 18:43:28 *** Benny has joined #openttdcoop 18:45:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> Vinnie: see how linesc merge in BBH01 and you might see why :) 18:46:27 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> is that a proven concept? 18:46:27 *** Benny_ has quit IRC 18:46:49 <PublicServer> <V453000> I used it many times and it seems to work better than expected 18:47:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> rather tell me why 18:47:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 18:48:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> ...why would I put a prio there 18:49:30 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> when two lines merge without prio. it switches lines for each train. This might backfire in a jam to the SE 18:49:56 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 18:50:00 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> switches lines i mean stop one go the other and stop that line and switch to the other line 18:50:16 <V453000> well, maybe, but where would you put the prio then :) 18:50:24 <V453000> !password 18:50:24 <PublicServer> V453000: peeves 18:51:09 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 18:52:03 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0001CEF2: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0001CEF2.png 18:52:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> well, theoretically yes 18:52:39 <PublicServer> <V453000> but that could just stop the line on the right too much 18:52:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> easily, since there are 2 sources coming into the pripo 18:52:50 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> it all depends on the traffic 18:52:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> prio 18:52:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> I believe this is fine tbh 18:53:16 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> its new for me so i have questions :) 18:53:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> which is good 18:54:44 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> phoenix: use signals when you build. you might see a wrong connection 18:54:59 <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm 18:57:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> Benny: drop does not need to be balanced always, but pickup does 18:57:25 <PublicServer> <Benny> Oh snap. 18:57:31 <PublicServer> <V453000> or ... it is very preferable 18:58:07 <PublicServer> <Benny> The exit I suppose? 18:58:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> pickup entry 18:58:22 <PublicServer> <Benny> ...What? 18:58:31 <PublicServer> <Benny> Oh, right 18:58:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> because balancing lets you use maximum amount of platforms as waiting spaces in case there is more trains than demand 18:58:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> drop just does not care, just drop the stuff, not jam, done, balancing is optional 18:59:06 <PublicServer> <Benny> Yeah, and pickup trains spend longer time in the station, right? 18:59:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> sure 19:05:02 <XeryusTC> ideally not, but since managing that is very impractical you just add a couple of extra trains so there is always at least one train picking up cargo 19:07:03 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0000C0D3: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0000C0D3.png 19:10:35 *** Twerkhoven[L] has joined #openttdcoop 19:20:31 <PublicServer> <phoenix> thx 19:20:38 <PublicServer> <Benny> now signals ;) 19:20:49 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> it looks good indeed 19:20:59 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i only see 2.5 flaws 19:21:14 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> first one is expained here http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Line_sync 19:21:50 <PublicServer> <Benny> I don't see the other one. 19:22:02 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> second flaw is a CL 19:22:03 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00011030: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00011030.png 19:22:22 <PublicServer> <phoenix> CL? 19:22:26 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> the 0.5 flaw is that he has to use a PBS split instead of presignals 19:22:32 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> Curvelength 19:23:47 <PublicServer> <Benny> You sure, Vinnie? 19:23:55 <PublicServer> <Benny> About the CL? 19:24:01 <PublicServer> <phoenix> indeed 19:24:08 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> ahh s bend 19:24:11 <PublicServer> <Benny> I thought S-bends didn't slow trains down? 19:24:17 <PublicServer> <phoenix> the straight part is only 2 long 19:24:29 <PublicServer> <phoenix> for the right turn 19:24:33 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> no you are right 19:25:31 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> magic dozer 19:29:24 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 19:29:27 <V453000> laters 19:29:32 <PublicServer> <Benny> Wait, a TL3 or TL4 train won't slow down at a CL2 S-bend, but a TF5 will. 19:29:34 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> cya 19:29:40 <PublicServer> <Benny> See ya around, V. 19:33:36 <PublicServer> *** Vinnie has joined spectators 19:37:04 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00003ED5: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00003ED5.png 19:38:59 <PublicServer> <Benny> You building, phoenix? 19:39:17 <PublicServer> <phoenix> thinking about signals 19:39:39 <PublicServer> <Benny> The splits should have normal signals. 19:39:46 <PublicServer> <phoenix> all of them? 19:39:52 <PublicServer> <Benny> Double tunnels/bridges, presignals. 19:39:52 <PublicServer> <Benny> Yes. 19:39:58 <PublicServer> <phoenix> ok 19:40:36 <PublicServer> <Benny> Normal except where I've put signs up. :) 19:42:57 <PublicServer> <Benny> Tip, in case you didn't know. If you want to signal a stretch with turns on it with one click, you can click, drag and release while holding Ctrl, if that made any sense to you. 19:43:54 <PublicServer> <phoenix> huh 19:44:34 <PublicServer> <phoenix> nice feature 19:44:44 <PublicServer> <Benny> :) 19:46:09 <PublicServer> <Benny> It will stop at any signal, or track split/join/crossing. 19:46:32 <PublicServer> <Benny> Look. 19:47:06 <PublicServer> <Benny> and if iI leave a signal 19:48:16 <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm 19:50:32 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 19:52:04 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00005ED3: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00005ED3.png 19:55:27 <PublicServer> <Benny> Gotta go now, server will pause when I leave. 19:55:37 <PublicServer> <phoenix> ok 19:55:39 <PublicServer> <Benny> If you wanna do something, do it quick ^^ 19:56:02 <PublicServer> <phoenix> just some signals 19:56:14 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has joined company #1 19:57:09 <PublicServer> <Benny> Mazur joined so its k, goodnight. :) 19:57:15 <PublicServer> *** Benny has left the game (leaving) 19:57:15 <PublicServer> <phoenix> n8 19:57:34 *** Benny has quit IRC 19:58:11 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Hm, het forgot the oil pickup, or to leave notred how he planned it. 19:58:21 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Oild goods pickup,that is. 20:03:39 <PublicServer> <phoenix> true 20:07:04 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00005AD4: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00005AD4.png 20:07:09 <V453000> !password 20:07:09 <PublicServer> V453000: holdup 20:07:20 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi 20:07:20 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 20:08:39 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 20:12:23 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Pax network is just L_R? 20:12:31 <PublicServer> <phoenix> yep 20:12:53 <PublicServer> <Mazur> k 20:19:40 *** notch has joined #openttdcoop 20:20:12 <PublicServer> *** notch joined the game 20:20:55 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Evenight. 20:22:06 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00007D49: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00007D49.png 20:30:24 <Lukeus_Maximus> !password 20:30:24 <PublicServer> Lukeus_Maximus: torsos 20:30:36 <PublicServer> *** Lukeus Maximus joined the game 20:31:05 <PublicServer> <Mazur> lo luke 20:33:23 <Lukeus_Maximus> lo 20:33:31 <Lukeus_Maximus> did V453000 get trolled by a factory? 20:35:35 <PublicServer> <notch> Mazur: I think you should upgrade it to electric 20:35:41 <Lukeus_Maximus> what are the terraforming rules? 20:35:55 <Lukeus_Maximus> low? 20:36:24 <Lukeus_Maximus> notch, I can't believe you're actually Notch 20:36:43 <PublicServer> <Mazur> notch, the whole network will become a different railtype before commission. 20:36:46 <notch> im also notch, but not the one 20:36:51 <notch> ok 20:37:06 <PublicServer> <Mazur> The pax one, at least. 20:37:06 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0001BEF3: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0001BEF3.png 20:39:29 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Oh, I see, most used failed in this instance. 20:40:08 <PublicServer> <phoenix> the oil goods pickup is still missing 20:40:23 <PublicServer> <phoenix> where will you place it? 20:41:21 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Beside the oil drop, naturally. So that the refinary can cover both drop and pickup. 20:42:55 <PublicServer> <phoenix> well thats clear .. but i cant see how to place a second big station + refinery there 20:43:29 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Nor I, to be Frank. 20:43:39 <PublicServer> <phoenix> ^^ 20:44:19 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Maybe Benny even thought 6 plstforms of each was enough. 20:44:40 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Adn eh only forgot to split the station. 20:47:15 <PublicServer> <phoenix> V used 16 platforms for two drops, that would suggest to use 8 here ... not 12 20:48:23 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Indeed. 20:52:07 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0001D100: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0001D100.png 20:53:05 <PublicServer> <phoenix> I have a question about the third big station: it says on the plan "factory + coal drop" 20:53:34 <PublicServer> <phoenix> that would mean it's a 4 goods drop isn't it? 20:54:12 <Lukeus_Maximus> the cross before the platform at roro stations... path signals or presignals 20:54:14 <Lukeus_Maximus> ? 20:54:36 <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm 20:54:50 <Lukeus_Maximus> I reckon path because that is efficiency++ 20:54:54 <Lukeus_Maximus> but 20:54:57 <Lukeus_Maximus> am I right 20:55:35 <PublicServer> <phoenix> if you use path signals you won't need the last straight track 20:55:50 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Well, for drop there is no need to distinguish platforms. But 4 goods, I think. 20:56:47 <PublicServer> <Mazur> So uou might indeed plan for more than 8 platforms, so that we can expand when it becomes necessary. 20:57:33 <PublicServer> <phoenix> what I meant before: if it is a 4 goods drop that would sugest double the size of the station on the right 20:58:22 <PublicServer> *** notch has left the game (leaving) 20:58:44 <PublicServer> <phoenix> which would be 32 platforms ... that seems a bit overkill 20:59:13 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Not sure, 12 might be enough to start with, but think of leaving room for easy expansion. 20:59:22 <PublicServer> <phoenix> k 21:01:52 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Might even be more balanced to drop Coal at the Iron/Wood drop, but as the plan now is, it goes west. 21:02:10 <PublicServer> <phoenix> yep 21:07:07 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0001D50A: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0001D50A.png 21:08:31 <PublicServer> <phoenix> is it posible to rotate the building when placing a new industie? 21:09:35 <PublicServer> <Mazur> MNo, industries have a specific orientation. 21:11:39 <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm, have a look at sign !here, there are to factories with different/rotated layout/groundcoverage 21:12:38 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Yes, placed by the system, as a rtain director you don;t have that luxury, I think. 21:12:48 <PublicServer> <phoenix> ok 21:13:10 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Why? 21:14:23 <PublicServer> <phoenix> have a look now 21:14:41 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Yes, that would be nice. 21:15:06 <PublicServer> <Mazur> But there are two more tilwes for the factory, so no worries, eh? 21:15:43 <PublicServer> <phoenix> well, yes 21:16:12 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Unless you planned for RoRo.... 21:16:42 <PublicServer> <phoenix> but i think V misscalculated on his design in the East. 21:17:14 <PublicServer> <Mazur> But the factory can be to one side or the other. As long as the pickup can be reasonably near, might even be walked a bit. 21:17:45 <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm, true 21:19:05 *** Twerkhoven[L] has quit IRC 21:19:49 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Think of it like this: build a station as the network plan dictates, and V453000 might even be impressed with your work. 21:20:00 <PublicServer> <phoenix> hehe 21:20:15 *** DayDreamer has quit IRC 21:20:51 <PublicServer> <phoenix> do you want to build it? im not sure if I can manage it 21:21:04 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Not particularly. 21:21:12 <PublicServer> <phoenix> lol 21:22:07 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0001C4E7: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0001C4E7.png 21:22:29 <PublicServer> <Mazur> As I have no vision of it, either, and the last few drops/pickups I build were not all that favourably commented upon. 21:22:44 <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm 21:23:02 <PublicServer> <phoenix> I would have copied V design 21:23:20 <PublicServer> <Mazur> They _were_ not that well build, so it was fair dos. 21:23:35 <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm 21:23:58 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Yeah, well, originality is always hoped for. 21:24:21 <PublicServer> <phoenix> :) 21:24:36 <PublicServer> <Mazur> As long as it works. 21:25:12 <PublicServer> <Mazur> With which I only mean: originality which cannot work does not count, of course. 21:25:26 <PublicServer> <phoenix> lol 21:27:26 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Something along hte lines of Bennys oil drop would work, too, as long as you plan for a pickup, as well. 21:28:09 *** Ramsus08191 has joined #openttdcoop 21:28:39 <PublicServer> <phoenix> yeah, but the position is of a terminal-type one, is it not? 21:29:15 <PublicServer> <Mazur> How you build hte station is up to the builder, if you prefer a RoRo, build a Roro, better throughput anyway. 21:29:43 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Just connect the exit back to the direction the trains came from. 21:30:29 <PublicServer> <phoenix> I think the terminalstation with dedicated in and out tracks is up to par 21:30:44 <PublicServer> <phoenix> to a RoRo one 21:30:46 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Btw, you can shoren the platforms one tile. 21:30:49 <PublicServer> <Mazur> shorten. 21:30:53 <PublicServer> <Mazur> TL3. 21:30:55 <Ramsus08191> !password 21:30:55 <PublicServer> Ramsus08191: smugly 21:30:56 <PublicServer> <phoenix> hu, true 21:31:11 <PublicServer> *** Ramsus08191 joined the game 21:31:22 <PublicServer> <Mazur> RamSteinn! 21:31:32 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> Hello! 21:31:43 <PublicServer> <Mazur> We're at !factory, coal drop 21:32:01 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> hmm cool, small map :) 21:32:09 <PublicServer> <Mazur> phoenix building, but a tad stumped. 21:32:27 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> mark style terminus? 21:32:34 <PublicServer> <Mazur> And I'm not the ideal candidate to buidl it, I think. 21:32:52 <PublicServer> <Mazur> MIght be a RoRo, as well. 21:33:15 <PublicServer> <phoenix> ah, well, i think i will try a terminal one 21:33:17 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> I like terminus more :), atlthough RORO can be more efficient 21:33:31 <PublicServer> <phoenix> terminus ... thats what i meant 21:33:41 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Well, here's your chance, I think. 21:33:45 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> also, at the other end of a terminus you can place a overflow 21:33:51 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Unless phoenixis still building it./ 21:34:21 <PublicServer> <phoenix> if you want it say so, else i will try 21:35:07 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Well, Ram? 21:35:13 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> hm? 21:35:23 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Would you like to build it? 21:35:53 <PublicServer> *** Lukeus Maximus has left the game (connection lost) 21:36:06 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> you can build it :), soon I gotta go, I have to write a document until 23:59:59h 21:36:25 <PublicServer> <Mazur> But I have no ideas. 21:37:01 <PublicServer> <phoenix> well, good luck thats less then 25 min (on my clock anyways) 21:37:07 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 000139E3: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/000139E3.png 21:37:13 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Here, as well. 21:37:19 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> I still have 5:30 hours :) 21:37:29 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Huh, Merkin. 21:37:39 <PublicServer> <phoenix> ok, thats more fortunate 21:37:57 <PublicServer> <Mazur> No, 5 hours, that one zone nearer than the USA. 21:38:07 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> -3 GMT Brazil 21:38:09 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Greenland? 21:38:13 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ah. 21:38:17 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Nice. 21:38:23 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> :) 21:38:38 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Lovely beaches. 21:42:48 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> or something on those lines.... Terminus+Overflow 21:44:38 <PublicServer> <Mazur> There are 4 types of stuff dropping here. 21:44:40 <PublicServer> *** notch joined the game 21:45:32 <PublicServer> <Mazur> So I thought, perhaps 12 platforms to start with, leaving room for easy expansion? 21:45:54 <PublicServer> <phoenix> sounds good 21:47:03 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> add lots of tunnels and it will be cool 21:49:41 <PublicServer> <Ramsus08191> ok, I better stop procrastinating and do my work, if I got time, I will be back, c ya guys 21:49:48 <PublicServer> <phoenix> cu 21:49:58 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ok, see ya. And have fnu! 21:50:33 <PublicServer> *** Ramsus08191 has left the game (leaving) 21:50:37 *** Ramsus08191 has quit IRC 21:52:08 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 000107CD: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/000107CD.png 21:57:47 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:59:57 *** Tray has quit IRC 22:01:58 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has left the game (connection lost) 22:02:00 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 22:03:32 <PublicServer> *** phoenix has left the game (leaving) 22:04:20 *** Lukeus_Maximus has quit IRC 22:04:37 *** Mazur has quit IRC 22:06:19 *** fonsinchen has quit IRC 22:07:08 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0000FFD3: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0000FFD3.png 22:09:02 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:28:03 <V453000> !password 22:28:03 <PublicServer> V453000: robbed 22:28:12 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 22:28:12 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 22:28:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi 22:28:48 <phoenix_> hey 22:29:22 <phoenix_> !password 22:29:22 <PublicServer> phoenix_: robbed 22:29:35 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 22:29:35 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 22:29:35 <PublicServer> *** phoenix joined the game 22:30:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> btw I knew about the factory, I am just waiting for it to die :) Iwill build the rest of the station though, the 4 platforms will probably not be required in the next dozens of years anyway 22:31:40 <phoenix_> we were not sure where you planed to place the 2 industries 22:32:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> well, since there is not a single SLH yet, they are not needed either :) 22:32:34 <phoenix_> true, but one should reserve the space 22:32:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> uhm, I reserved "some" :( 22:32:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 22:34:31 <phoenix_> I hope u don't mean the 2x2 space in the middle of the station :P that was my first thought, and well, there is no industy that small ;) 22:34:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D 22:34:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> anywhere around, there will be some additional candy, so we will see :) 22:35:05 <phoenix_> k 22:36:19 <PublicServer> <V453000> what were you trying at the factory? :) I think there is some nice idea 22:37:09 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00012430: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00012430.png 22:38:26 <PublicServer> <phoenix> I was trying to find an other terminus style layout (also with dedicated in/out tracks, but more easily expandable) 22:38:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> I see :) 22:39:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 22:39:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> happens 22:41:21 <PublicServer> <V453000> just build a normal terminus or whatever else if you want ;) 22:41:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> the dedicated lines are just an extra 22:41:30 *** pugi has quit IRC 22:41:35 <PublicServer> <V453000> not required by any means at all 22:42:16 <PublicServer> <phoenix> hm, but they do speed things up, don't they? 22:42:34 <PublicServer> <V453000> well, kind of 22:43:02 <PublicServer> <V453000> they create direct paths to platforms, yes, but as long as you provide sufficient amount of "crossed" platforms, it works as well 22:43:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> to say it simply: every station design works, a lot of station building is sheerly style, fun and making it interesting 22:47:08 *** Mazur has joined #openttdcoop 22:47:16 <Mazur> !password 22:47:16 <PublicServer> Mazur: culled 22:47:26 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi 22:47:27 <PublicServer> *** Mazur joined the game 22:47:30 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Hi. 22:47:36 <phoenix_> hey 22:48:38 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Still struggling with the factory/coal drop, phoenix? 22:49:08 <phoenix_> ah, not at the moment 22:49:47 <phoenix_> im running a second game and experiment with terminus style stations 22:50:00 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ah, cool. 22:50:02 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 22:51:01 <PublicServer> <Mazur> I was trying to switch to wireless connection, but it can;t find hte fsking router after it got sent a DHPACK and connected to that. 22:51:57 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Even when the dedaultroute is pointing right through it. 22:52:09 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0000E62B: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0000E62B.png 22:52:33 <PublicServer> <Mazur> So I'm back to wired for now, I'll struggle further with it tomorrow. 22:53:50 <phoenix_> what OS are u using? 22:54:26 <Mazur> Linux. 22:54:54 <phoenix_> ah, well, cant help u with that :( 22:55:07 <Mazur> Fedora distribution. 22:55:25 <Mazur> No, helping with these things used to be _my_ job. 22:55:35 <Mazur> Though not networks, alas. 22:55:40 <phoenix_> ^^ 22:55:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D 22:55:44 <Mazur> I'll figure it. 22:56:26 <Mazur> FIxed my sound, as well, today. 22:56:39 <Mazur> jack+pulseaudio. 22:58:14 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Hm, no comments at my hub. Must have done not too bad, then. 22:58:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D 22:58:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> its fine. 22:59:19 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Struggled a bit there, as I wanted T as little as possible. 22:59:28 <PublicServer> <Mazur> +F 23:01:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> that is an interesting ... feature of 2cc set ... you can refit the silo wagon to oil, but not back to grain :D 23:01:30 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Grain is apparently not a refit option for the thing. 23:01:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> well, see train 3 23:01:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> and what it carries :) 23:03:51 *** Fuco has quit IRC 23:07:10 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0001084C: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0001084C.png 23:21:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> doing something? :) 23:21:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> oh, we are 3 :) 23:21:58 <PublicServer> <V453000> gnight 23:22:01 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 23:22:10 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0000DE42: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0000DE42.png 23:28:00 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 23:28:59 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop 23:28:59 *** Webster sets mode: +o KenjiE20 23:31:07 <Sylf> !password 23:31:07 <PublicServer> Sylf: damped 23:31:37 <PublicServer> *** Sylf joined the game 23:31:41 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Hey, Sylk. 23:31:44 <PublicServer> <Sylf> evening 23:32:22 <PublicServer> <Mazur> 't Is deepest, darkest night, already. 23:32:30 <PublicServer> <Sylf> not here :p 23:32:59 <PublicServer> <Mazur> As you can see, we've already build a bit of the backbone network. 23:34:05 <PublicServer> <Sylf> jee, I wonder who built the wood drop 23:34:38 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Not directly obvious, is it. 23:34:48 <PublicServer> <Sylf> not at all :p 23:35:22 <PublicServer> <Mazur> I like it, though. 23:37:10 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00010C2E: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00010C2E.png 23:42:47 <PublicServer> <Sylf> hmm, I don't see much to be done right now... 23:43:11 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Unless you want to build the factory/coal drop. 23:43:33 <PublicServer> <Mazur> And its pickup. 23:43:33 <PublicServer> <Sylf> It looks like very early stage of WIP 23:44:00 <PublicServer> <Sylf> it looks like some kind of terminus roro 23:44:19 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Yeah, phoenix looked at it and could not find a nice way to build it, and I had no ideas. 23:44:45 <PublicServer> <Mazur> phoenix is now experimenting in a second game wioth termini. 23:45:11 <PublicServer> <Sylf> Oil pickup looks bleh 23:45:37 <PublicServer> <Sylf> but that's already highlighted 23:46:01 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Yeah, Benny had only build the drop and not left much room. 23:46:16 <PublicServer> <Sylf> but still... 23:46:54 <PublicServer> <Sylf> that exit needs better balancing anyway 23:47:58 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Well, I was not going to touch that area. 23:48:28 <PublicServer> <Sylf> I can at least touch this part without "harming" the stations 23:52:10 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0001AEF5: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0001AEF5.png 23:52:21 <Chris_Booth> bonjour mon amigos 23:52:37 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Chrissy, hi! 23:52:50 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth joined the game 23:52:54 <PublicServer> <Sylf> buon giorno 23:52:57 <PublicServer> <Sylf> or whatevar 23:53:07 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> lol 23:53:25 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Bonbon. 23:53:39 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I get a feeling the steel and wood area has 1 of 2 thing 23:53:43 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> to many plaforms 23:53:51 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> or to few tracks 23:54:58 <PublicServer> <Mazur> I know what you mean. 23:56:20 <PublicServer> <Sylf> hrm 23:56:33 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> lol 23:56:43 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> Sylf: I didnt say yours was wrong 23:56:49 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> and wouldnt work 23:56:55 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> just a tip for the future 23:56:55 <PublicServer> <Sylf> no, but I do agree 23:57:09 <PublicServer> <Sylf> I just was lazy to move extra lines at first 23:57:22 <PublicServer> <Sylf> wheeeee 23:57:24 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> ok 23:57:28 <PublicServer> <Sylf> more destruction <3 23:57:41 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> playing coop is like being drunk 23:57:47 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> or atleast the signs are 23:58:11 <PublicServer> <Mazur> After that big pax game, it was exactly the same. 23:58:55 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I have my town for later 23:59:13 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> will be funny 23:59:21 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Good. 23:59:52 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> ooh phoenix is trying the ultimate terminus