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A hash-singer and a cross-eyed guy were SLEEPING on a deserted island, when ... 01:47:14 *** Audigex has quit IRC 07:36:11 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:36:26 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v ODM 07:44:55 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:45:00 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v DJNekkid 08:01:47 <DJNekkid> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/files 08:01:51 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - 2cc-2.0.xls @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/414/2cc-2.0.xls (by DJNekkid) 08:02:03 <DJNekkid> *whatehesaied* 08:02:09 *** Mark has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:02:14 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Mark 08:03:48 <planetmaker> ok. what and where is now the problem? 08:03:53 <DJNekkid> AT14 08:03:56 <DJNekkid> cell AT14 08:04:54 <planetmaker> hm, yes? 08:05:23 <DJNekkid> we cant have a mail capacity of 47,25 08:05:55 <DJNekkid> or armor capacity of 31,5 for that matter 08:06:04 <planetmaker> ok. where do you define those? 08:06:26 <planetmaker> e.g. where is that calculated? 08:07:12 <DJNekkid> it takes the (wagon) capacity stated in N14 (or O14) and multiplies it with 0,75 for mail and 0,5 for armor 08:08:36 <planetmaker> well. simply as I said: use round(O14*N14) 08:08:40 <planetmaker> instead of O14*N14 08:08:56 <planetmaker> or whatever your localization tells you to use instead of round(...) 08:09:05 <planetmaker> e.g. I have to use runden(...) 08:09:17 <planetmaker> and accordingly in other places 08:09:50 <DJNekkid> im _this_ close to uninstalling the norwegian one, and installing the english one :) 08:10:14 <DJNekkid> imho should that they allow both english or local imputs 08:10:19 <DJNekkid> atleast when the help menu is in english 08:10:45 <planetmaker> yes. I agree. The localization changing and disallowing English is a pain 08:12:09 <DJNekkid> i assume it can "=round(50/3)" 08:12:30 <planetmaker> you can. 08:12:42 <planetmaker> but you could also directly only round in the string cell: 08:13:02 <planetmaker> =$AJ&$B14&AT & RUNDEN($O14*0,75) 08:13:12 <DJNekkid> that is what i ment 08:13:17 <planetmaker> ok :-) 08:13:30 <DJNekkid> but i have no idea what round is in norwegian ... 08:13:37 <planetmaker> uhm...? 08:13:40 <DJNekkid> and the 2 or 3 typical ones didnt work :P 08:16:09 <planetmaker> avrunder, omgangene, runde <-- any of those? 08:16:26 <planetmaker> I'd try the last one first 08:16:29 <DJNekkid> might be runde :) 08:16:36 <ODM> hey guys 08:16:49 <planetmaker> hey guy :-) 08:16:54 <DJNekkid> neither apparently 08:17:07 <DJNekkid> "avrund" worked 08:17:16 <planetmaker> but I'm sure it rounds down? 08:17:32 <planetmaker> then try rund, too maybe? 08:17:41 <planetmaker> I've no clue about norwegian language, though ;-) 08:17:44 <DJNekkid> 50/3 turned to 17 08:17:52 <planetmaker> sounds ok 08:18:11 <planetmaker> hm... does it? 08:18:30 <DJNekkid> it seems to round with "normal" behavior... 08:18:34 <DJNekkid> atleast in my head :) 08:19:47 <planetmaker> indeed 08:20:46 <DJNekkid> anyway, any ideas on how to write a .csv to .pnfo converter? :p 08:25:21 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:25:26 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 08:26:03 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 131: Add: files for Vehicle Ferries @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/131 (by andythenorth) 08:26:20 <DJNekkid> hi andythenorth :) 08:26:26 <andythenorth> morning 08:26:39 <DJNekkid> did u see any of my posts in your threads? :) 08:29:05 <andythenorth> yes thanks 08:30:27 <andythenorth> bored of drawing the vehicle ferry now :| 08:30:37 <andythenorth> time to do something else 08:31:08 <DJNekkid> hehe :) 08:46:40 *** Mark has quit IRC 08:58:07 *** Mark has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:58:22 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Mark 08:58:41 *** Mark is now known as Guest3093 08:59:04 *** Guest3093 is now known as Mark 09:14:06 <DJNekkid> god damn it 09:14:12 <DJNekkid> this is gonna be an epic spreadhseet 09:14:20 <DJNekkid> *sheet 09:49:21 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 09:54:23 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 269: i think i've pretty much have finished the spreadsheet v2.0 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/269 (by DJNekkid) 09:54:55 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:55:00 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 10:04:02 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/2cctrainset/ initiated. 10:38:00 *** Beardie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:38:05 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Beardie 10:43:36 *** Mark has quit IRC 10:55:18 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 10:56:03 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:56:08 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v DJNekkid 11:22:11 *** Mark has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:22:26 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Mark 11:22:51 *** Mark is now known as Guest3097 11:26:27 *** Mark__ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:26:41 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Mark__ 11:30:59 *** Guest3097 is now known as Mark 11:31:00 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 11:41:19 *** Mark has quit IRC 11:41:36 *** Mark__ is now known as Mark 11:57:18 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 11:58:15 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:58:20 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v DJNekkid 12:39:00 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 13:12:57 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:13:02 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 13:16:42 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 13:43:04 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:43:09 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 14:07:24 *** Audigex has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:07:37 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Audigex 14:11:49 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:11:54 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Doorslammer 14:13:47 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:13:52 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v DJNekkid 14:52:54 <planetmaker> [13:58] <DJNekkid> [10:20:46] anyway, any ideas on how to write a .csv to .pnfo converter? :p <-- if it's only an action0, that's feasable, I think... 14:53:21 <DJNekkid> for action0 yes... 14:53:22 <planetmaker> feasable and "done in no time", though, are different things... 14:54:01 <DJNekkid> hehe... 14:54:21 <planetmaker> similar to what I said, though: defining a macro which is fed the single elements in one line as parameters 14:54:45 <Ammler> awk 14:54:55 <planetmaker> I dunno awk sufficient :-) 14:55:08 <planetmaker> I'd put it into a c-preprocessor macro 14:55:11 <DJNekkid> would one not require something that removes all unneccesary stuff ? :) 14:55:12 <Ammler> me neither, but shouldn't be that hard to learn. 14:55:24 <planetmaker> hm... doesn't make sense what I said 14:55:46 <Ammler> pm, you think, you can do that without gcc only? 14:55:47 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: I would want the csv to have one engine per line and only one and nothing more 14:55:54 <planetmaker> Ammler: on 2nd thought: no 14:55:55 <Ammler> -out 14:56:21 <DJNekkid> planetmaker: as it is now is it only one engine per line 14:56:44 <Ammler> the only issue I see there is, that awk isn't in the msys default package. 14:56:52 <Ammler> mingw/msys 14:57:13 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:00:55 <planetmaker> hm... isn't it? That's bad... :S 15:01:01 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:01:06 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Chris_Booth 15:01:08 <planetmaker> sed could do it, too, I guess 15:01:45 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: and there's nothing in the lines which must not go into the nfo? 15:02:16 <planetmaker> it was my impression that there's a lot of stuff left of the things which go into the action0 15:02:17 *** dandan_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:02:22 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v dandan_ 15:02:36 <planetmaker> moin dandan 15:02:44 <dandan_> hi planetmaker 15:02:47 <DJNekkid> there are a few things thats not NFO directly, its calculations 15:02:49 <dandan_> thanks for the pm 15:02:59 <planetmaker> :-) 15:03:14 <DJNekkid> the current online is the one i have locally atm 15:03:33 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: what about moving the not-to-be-displayed calculations to a separate sheet (table2)? And only export the 1st? 15:04:03 <DJNekkid> can u open the current one? 15:04:13 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: I could this morning 15:04:30 <DJNekkid> I.E AL14 to to BP14 ? 15:06:46 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: I'll have a look, but it should work 15:07:11 <dandan_> dj, can you tell me what I have to do to put the Japan Set in the devzone? 15:07:20 <planetmaker> dandan_: what is your repo(s) like now? do you have any version control system in use? 15:07:28 <planetmaker> dandan_: I can and will :-) 15:07:50 <dandan_> no, only local files 15:08:00 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Welcome <-- I assume you use windows. IF you want to use the build system... 15:08:09 <dandan_> no, i use mac os 15:08:15 <planetmaker> ... it requires you to actually install a bit of stuff. 15:08:20 <planetmaker> macos is fine. I use it, too 15:08:35 <planetmaker> then I actually DO know how it works :-) 15:08:39 <dandan_> :-) 15:08:57 <planetmaker> and: you have most things already, or they're easier. 15:09:04 <planetmaker> do you have the development tools installed? 15:09:12 <dandan_> yes 15:09:12 <planetmaker> e.g. xcode and stuff? 15:09:14 <planetmaker> good 15:09:53 <planetmaker> we usually use mercurial as version system 15:10:16 <dandan_> ok 15:10:17 <planetmaker> I guess that you don't have that? Are you familiar with the command line (terminal.app)? 15:10:23 <dandan_> sure 15:10:29 <dandan_> but i don't have mercurial 15:10:34 <dandan_> can i get it on macports? 15:10:38 <planetmaker> hg --version will tell you wether you have it. If not, you can ^^ 15:10:51 <planetmaker> sudo port install mercurial 15:10:54 <dandan_> okay, no hg 15:11:22 <dandan_> okay, hang on 15:12:00 <dandan_> fine, will probably take a while 15:12:12 <planetmaker> hm, ok. I dunno anymore how much was needed. 15:12:17 <planetmaker> what version do you actually have? 15:12:21 <planetmaker> of osx? 15:12:25 <planetmaker> (just curious) 15:12:41 <dandan_> 10.6 ;-) 15:12:57 <planetmaker> there's one other thing which we need then from you: your public key, so that you may commit to the server 15:13:00 <planetmaker> ha :-) 15:13:17 <planetmaker> ok, then everything should be pretty similar. 15:13:54 <planetmaker> have you ever used gpg? 15:14:08 <dandan_> yes, but long time ago 15:14:26 <planetmaker> well, that's used to create a key pair. 15:14:33 <planetmaker> gpg --gen-key 15:15:17 <dandan_> guess i first have to install gpg as well 15:15:54 <planetmaker> oh. ok. 15:15:59 <planetmaker> I thought it was default. 15:16:08 <dandan_> and macports is still busy building all sorts of stuff... 15:17:08 <planetmaker> hm... Ammler ? Do I actually tell the proper thing {TM} with the key? 15:18:04 <planetmaker> nope, I don't. 15:18:06 <planetmaker> http://www.schlittermann.de/doc/ssh 15:18:08 <Webster> Title: SSH ohne Passwort -- eine kurze Anleitung (at www.schlittermann.de) 15:18:36 <planetmaker> ssh-keygen is our friend 15:18:41 <Ammler> Welcome dandan_ :-) 15:18:48 <dandan_> aha 15:18:51 <dandan_> hi ammler 15:19:36 <planetmaker> dandan_: you might already, though, register at the devzone 15:19:52 <planetmaker> (the webinterface to all this stuff) 15:20:19 <dandan_> okay, will do 15:20:51 <dandan_> guess I will continue to use this ridiculous nick ;-) 15:20:59 <planetmaker> dandan_: should we make something like "Japanese set" and then sub projects like JP trains, JP terrain, ... ? 15:21:18 <Ammler> assuming one repo per set. 15:21:44 <dandan_> I think that would be best, since there are quite a few subprojects by now 15:22:01 <Ammler> yes, we made something similar for the Dutchies 15:22:03 <planetmaker> yup, thought so :-) And the Dutch*Set have the same 15:22:10 <Ammler> :-) 15:22:53 <planetmaker> identifier jpset? 15:23:10 <planetmaker> and then jptrains, jpstations, jpterrain for the repo names? 15:23:26 <Ammler> yes, you should keep jp in the subprojects. 15:23:46 <Ammler> those should be called like the grfs. 15:23:57 <dandan_> yes, e.g. jpterrain should be jpland 15:24:24 <DJNekkid> and houses should be jphome? :) 15:24:43 <dandan_> lol, no, jpbuild 15:24:51 <dandan_> will i not be able to modify those? 15:25:17 <DJNekkid> i think you should go for: 15:25:17 <planetmaker> dandan_: the identifier: no. But... you locally could, of course, name your dirs as you want. 15:25:40 <planetmaker> and the identifier basically is only the dir name on the server 15:25:49 <DJNekkid> iHOME, iLAND, iCHEWCHEW etc :p 15:25:59 <Ammler> the identifier is the repo name. 15:26:14 <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/ 15:26:30 <planetmaker> dandan_: I made you manager of the jpset project. 15:26:40 <dandan_> great :-) 15:26:53 <planetmaker> you can now start to create your sub-projects. And yes, the identifier basically tells how the URL looks like: 15:27:07 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/hgr-repos/IDENTIFIER 15:27:20 <planetmaker> nothing else, nothing more, nothing less 15:27:28 <planetmaker> *hg-repos 15:27:50 <planetmaker> dandan_: did you generate a key pair already with ssh-keygen? 15:28:02 <planetmaker> you should have that by default 15:28:05 <planetmaker> installed 15:28:26 <dandan_> still waiting for macports to finish building mercurial 15:28:38 <planetmaker> just open another xterm :-) 15:29:00 <planetmaker> command+n 15:29:05 <planetmaker> when the first is active 15:29:18 <dandan_> sure, I know, but I thought building a key will use a lot of cpu so i'll wait for the compile to finish 15:29:24 <dandan_> but maybe nonsense 15:29:25 <planetmaker> not at all 15:29:43 <planetmaker> it's just a bit of random numbers that match some math 15:29:52 <planetmaker> so... not so random :-P 15:30:00 <Ammler> depense on the strength 15:30:15 <dandan_> oh, okay, only took a millisecond ;-) 15:30:16 <planetmaker> less than 1024 is not possible 15:30:18 <Ammler> 2k key can take around half a minute 15:30:41 <planetmaker> dandan_: I need the public key. 15:30:42 <Ammler> or was that 4k, I had in mind? 15:31:02 <planetmaker> you can either paste it to e.g. paste.openttd.org or however. Upload to devzone 15:31:59 <dandan_> okay, how do i upload it? 15:32:11 <planetmaker> e.g. the jpset should have a files section 15:32:26 <dandan_> can't see it yet 15:32:42 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/jpset/files 15:32:43 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/jpset/files/new 15:32:47 <Ammler> :-P 15:32:58 <planetmaker> but please only the .pub :-) 15:33:08 <dandan_> sure :-) 15:33:14 <dandan_> why does http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/ not show jp yet? 15:33:17 <planetmaker> well. I've seen it differently :-) 15:33:32 <planetmaker> it's not yet there, no repo 15:33:37 <planetmaker> just the interface 15:33:38 <Ammler> an admin needs to initialize the repo 15:34:05 <planetmaker> Ammler: on ottdc or as hg? 15:34:12 <planetmaker> s/on/as/ 15:34:29 <Ammler> we should still use ottdc 15:34:35 <planetmaker> ok 15:34:41 <planetmaker> I thought we switched ;-) 15:34:58 <Ammler> no, I still plan :-) 15:35:07 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Japan Set - id_rsa.pub @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/415/id_rsa.pub (by dandan) 15:35:35 <planetmaker> :-) 15:38:01 <planetmaker> key added, access granted 15:38:34 <planetmaker> dandan_: jpset itself, I guess won't have a repo as it's only the "box" to put the others in, right? 15:38:50 <Ammler> I would now setup all the repos like the identifiers: jptrains, jpland, jpbuild...? 15:38:51 <planetmaker> Did you already create a project, e.g. for jptrains? 15:39:02 <planetmaker> Ammler: I agree :-) 15:39:09 <planetmaker> jpbuild = buildings? 15:39:16 *** dandan__ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:39:21 <planetmaker> :-P 15:39:21 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v dandan__ 15:39:31 <planetmaker> that's why he is so silent ;-) 15:39:49 <planetmaker> :-) 15:39:50 <planetmaker> [17:38] <planetmaker> key added, access granted 15:39:52 <planetmaker> [17:38] <planetmaker> dandan_: jpset itself, I guess won't have a repo as it's only the "box" to put the others in, right? 15:39:53 <planetmaker> [17:38] <Ammler> I would now setup all the repos like the identifiers: jptrains, jpland, jpbuild...? 15:39:55 <Ammler> oh, dandan is a german guy :-) 15:40:18 <dandan__> stimmt 15:40:33 <planetmaker> seems like the German speaking people start, just start to grow in number here, too ;-) 15:40:42 <planetmaker> though Dutchies... still a lot :-P 15:41:15 <Ammler> is there actually a Japanese guy involved in the set? 15:42:14 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects <-- can you create new projects there, now, dandan__ ? 15:42:43 <planetmaker> brb. Wäsche aufhängen :-P 15:43:18 *** dandan___ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:43:23 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v dandan___ 15:44:28 <dandan___> another dandan here with even more _ 15:44:42 <Ammler> :-) 15:45:06 <dandan___> have to do something about that internet connection... 15:45:56 <dandan___> not sure if anybody heard me, so Ammler do you need the names for the repos? 15:46:08 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 15:46:12 *** dandan_ has quit IRC 15:46:18 <Ammler> dandan___: yes 15:46:27 <Ammler> would be the easiest 15:46:44 <Ammler> and you could create a project per set with same identifier 15:47:09 <Ammler> the identifier can't be changed, but everything else. 15:48:14 <dandan___> okay, for now we need jptrains, jpstations, jpbuild, jpland, jptrees, jpsignals 15:48:23 *** dandan__ has quit IRC 15:49:23 <dandan___> finally finished to install mercurial 15:49:28 <planetmaker> :-) 15:50:00 <planetmaker> dandan___: just to test whether it works: go into your main grf dev dir and make a checkout of an existing one, e.g. the example makefile :-) 15:50:31 <planetmaker> try hg clone ssh://ottdc@mz.openttdcoop.org/hg-repos/newgrf_makefile 15:50:41 <planetmaker> it will create a dir called newgrf-makefile 15:50:47 <planetmaker> wherever you invoke it. 15:51:11 <planetmaker> that dir will contain the respective repo 15:51:27 <dandan___> it worked 15:51:39 <planetmaker> cool :-) As that worked, it also means that your key works. 15:51:53 <Ammler> well, i have initialized all repos 15:52:02 <dandan___> yep, i love it when everything works 15:52:04 <dandan___> great 15:52:04 <Ammler> so you could also test with your repos :-) 15:52:09 <planetmaker> ok, then he should checkout those. 15:52:32 <planetmaker> dandan___: setup on mac is WAY easier than on windoze ;-) 15:52:44 <dandan___> but they are empty, no? 15:52:47 <Ammler> dandan___: how did you build the newgrfs? 15:52:54 <Ammler> dandan___: yes, they are. 15:53:14 <dandan___> okay, it still works and creates the directory 15:53:23 <planetmaker> dandan___: it will then be your task to fill the repo with the stuff which constitutes as "source" :-) 15:53:34 <planetmaker> *repos 15:53:53 <Ammler> you can for start also use the windows guides. 15:53:58 <planetmaker> you might e.g. not put every file which can be generated into the repo 15:54:02 <dandan___> i used to build them under windows in a vm, but finally managed to compile grfcodec and renum under mac os 15:54:12 <dandan___> wasn't there a thread by you on how to do this? 15:54:18 <planetmaker> dandan___: you know that they're available for download for osx, too? 15:54:27 <dandan___> don't even remember anymore what the problem was and why it then worked 15:54:30 <planetmaker> (grfcodec + renum) as nightlies 15:54:44 <Ammler> dandan___: but you code one big nfo file per set? 15:54:54 <dandan___> yes 15:55:00 <planetmaker> :-O 15:55:02 <Ammler> no prebuilding before renum/grfcodec 15:55:25 <dandan___> no 15:55:34 <planetmaker> that must be HUGE source files 15:55:36 <Ammler> well, then your source is that nfo and pcxs 15:55:46 <planetmaker> but doesn't matter :-) 15:55:47 <dandan___> to be honest, the source of the Japan set is not in very good shape in general... 15:55:59 <planetmaker> dandan___: hehe. The usual way repos end up here 15:56:05 <dandan___> i kind of took it over from other people and I think at some point way back it was created with grfmaker... ;-) 15:56:06 <planetmaker> and then the cleaning begins ;-) 15:56:37 <Ammler> do you have other files then nfo and pcx? 15:56:41 <planetmaker> we got some experience to bring repos into more presentable shape :-) 15:57:18 <dandan___> more than one pcx and some auxiliary nfos that are used to manage those pcxs if you understand what i mean 15:57:37 <planetmaker> but that's what version control systems are good for: you cannot loose stuff then... 15:58:02 <dandan___> that's true... I do keep backups though, but this will be much safer of course 15:58:29 <planetmaker> the devzone is backed up to bitbucket, another free-of-charge mercurial service provider 15:58:43 <planetmaker> and each person who has the repo has the whole history, too 15:59:01 <planetmaker> of course only since the first commit to hg :-) 16:00:07 <dandan___> okay, now I have to start learning to use all this stuff... 16:00:51 <Ammler> simplest for start is now, to move all the files you need for creating the current grf but without the grf 16:01:08 <dandan___> hang on 16:01:18 <planetmaker> dandan___: where do grfcodec and renum reside for you? 16:01:55 <Ammler> better copy then move :-) 16:02:21 <planetmaker> indeed. Don't yet throw away your old repos 16:02:30 <dandan___> in /usr/bin 16:02:35 <planetmaker> ok :-) 16:02:50 <planetmaker> I'm asking. I had people have their binaries in each repo... 16:05:33 <dandan___> I will have to change the paths in the nfo files, since they start with Japan Set/sprites/... 16:05:48 <planetmaker> oh 16:05:53 <planetmaker> make them relative paths 16:06:09 <planetmaker> relative to the dir they reside in 16:06:25 <planetmaker> or rather relative to the dir you call nforenum / grfcodec 16:06:56 <planetmaker> and do yourself the favour and don't use dir names with spaces ;-) 16:07:02 <dandan___> yeah, they are relative in that way but I don't want a dir Japan Set anymore 16:07:03 <dandan___> will change it 16:07:28 <planetmaker> should be a simple search and replace 16:07:35 <Ammler> on all nfos I know, the real sprite lines start with sprites/... 16:07:49 <planetmaker> true 16:07:58 <planetmaker> and that sounds like a good solution :-) 16:08:16 <planetmaker> Ammler: you didn't yet create the projects on the devzone, just the repos? 16:08:21 <Ammler> its also what grfcodec does after decode 16:08:40 <dandan___> guess that is reasonable... 16:08:45 <Ammler> pm, yes, thought dandan does do that self, or you :-P 16:09:19 <planetmaker> :-P 16:09:50 <planetmaker> dandan___: it would mean that in your repository you add / create a dir called sprites where you put them. But I guess you know that :-) 16:10:41 <dandan___> yes, it's done now 16:10:49 <dandan___> so I copied the buildings stuff and it works 16:10:51 <dandan___> what now? 16:11:44 <Ammler> hg ci -A -m "Initial setup (or whatever)" 16:11:53 <Ammler> oh 16:12:02 <Ammler> define the username 16:12:30 <planetmaker> he. What does -A mean, Ammler ? 16:12:32 <Ammler> that is what pm should tell you :-) 16:12:45 <Ammler> adding/removing everyhthing 16:12:53 <planetmaker> ah 16:13:16 <planetmaker> yeah, good point. 16:13:23 <planetmaker> create a file in your home dir: 16:13:29 <planetmaker> .hgrc 16:13:44 <dandan___> okay 16:13:49 <planetmaker> [ui] 16:13:51 <planetmaker> username = planetmaker <email> 16:13:58 <planetmaker> ^^ that's my .hgrc 16:14:10 <planetmaker> with the proper e-mail, but this is a public channel :-) 16:14:20 <dandan___> fine 16:14:37 <planetmaker> then your name as it shows in the commit log is set for all projects you participate in. 16:14:59 <dandan___> good 16:16:10 <Ammler> [18:14] <planetmaker> with the proper e-mail, but this is a public channel  <-- same public as the repos itself ;-) 16:16:18 <planetmaker> he :-P 16:17:00 <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/opengfx/rev/a90772ca813a <-- but no email there 16:17:10 <planetmaker> see 16:17:31 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:17:36 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 16:18:02 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r267 to r269, starting nightly compile 16:18:33 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: compile done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/2cctrainset/nightlies/ 16:18:33 <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r217) 16:18:34 <Brot6> fish: update from r119 to r131, starting nightly compile 16:18:38 <planetmaker> ^^ our nighlies, dandan___ :-) 16:18:52 <andythenorth> fish might have a *lot* of errors 16:18:54 <Brot6> fish: compile done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/fish/nightlies/ 16:18:54 <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169) 16:18:54 <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r14) 16:18:55 <Brot6> opengfx: nightly compile not needed. (r200) 16:18:55 <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r41) 16:18:56 <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r538) 16:20:14 <Ammler> [18:19] <andythenorth> fish might have a *lot* of errors <-- you could silence them :-P 16:20:31 <andythenorth> I could *fix* them 16:20:32 <andythenorth> :) 16:20:37 <Ammler> no, guess not 16:21:00 <Ammler> well, not every, as some or just not supported by nforenum, but by openttd 16:23:54 <dandan___> okay, no I wanted to try hg push ... but it complains that .hg is not present 16:24:34 <planetmaker> dandan___: are you in the (a) dir which you checked out from the devzone? 16:25:14 <dandan___> I thought so, but apparently the .hg is in the dir it created (jpbuild) 16:25:29 <planetmaker> e.g. for the buildings you should have done somewhere like hg clone ssh://ottdc@mz.openttdcoop.org/hg-repos/jpbuild 16:25:51 <planetmaker> yes, that's where the .hg is. And within the created dir everything needs to be which shall be in the repo 16:25:58 <dandan___> right 16:26:03 <planetmaker> e.g. in jpbuild dir 16:26:39 <dandan___> okay now I did hg push there and it says "Keine Änderungen gefunden" which is unlikely 16:26:48 <dandan___> how can I check the result 16:26:51 <planetmaker> ah. you didn't add anything 16:26:59 <planetmaker> try hg st 16:27:09 <planetmaker> it should list MANY un-versioned files 16:27:18 <planetmaker> try hg add * 16:27:33 <planetmaker> if you only have stuf which needs versioning, e.g. which should be in the repo 16:27:46 <dandan___> ahh okay 16:28:03 <planetmaker> e.g. you have to tell hg explicitly which files it should take care of 16:28:49 <planetmaker> http://hgbook.red-bean.com/read/ <-- maybe you want to bookmark that 16:28:49 <Webster> Title: Mercurial: The Definitive Guide (at hgbook.red-bean.com) 16:29:11 <dandan___> yeah thanks 16:29:59 <planetmaker> I also only know the like 5 basic commands: hg add, revert, commit, pull, update and merge 16:30:18 <dandan___> when I go to https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/jpset it only shows the train set right now 16:30:19 <planetmaker> oh. and log :-) 16:30:35 <planetmaker> dandan___: yes, I added that. But not more projects. 16:30:48 <planetmaker> the others still need adding to the web interface. e.g. creation there. 16:31:04 <dandan___> can I do that or do you have to do it? 16:31:10 <planetmaker> you can do that 16:31:26 <planetmaker> the repos are all there. Only the webinterface misses. 16:31:34 <Ammler> I guee, we need to move them to jpsets after 16:31:46 <planetmaker> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg <-- there are all repos 16:31:52 <planetmaker> Ammler: they can be put there right from the start 16:32:05 <planetmaker> just chose to make the sub-project of jpset 16:32:08 <Ammler> pm, from admins 16:32:12 <Ammler> or is that fixed now? 16:32:15 <dandan___> ah good 16:32:20 <planetmaker> oh, only? well, nvm. That's a minor thing 16:32:49 <dandan___> now push still didn't work, still keine Änderungen... 16:33:00 <planetmaker> dandan___: hg add worked? 16:33:09 <dandan___> yeah 16:33:12 <planetmaker> did you subsequently then do 16:33:17 <planetmaker> hg push 16:33:26 <planetmaker> wait. 16:33:28 <planetmaker> hg add 16:33:31 <planetmaker> hg commit 16:33:33 <planetmaker> hg push 16:33:34 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 16:33:37 <planetmaker> that's the sequence :-) 16:33:40 <planetmaker> first add 16:33:45 <planetmaker> then commit (locally) 16:33:48 <planetmaker> then transmit to other repo 16:34:39 <dandan___> much better, thanks 16:34:44 <planetmaker> :-) 16:35:08 <planetmaker> if you only change existing files, hg add is, of course, not needed 16:35:19 <planetmaker> existing as in already versioned 16:36:07 <dandan___> okay, apart from the fact that I should have edited the version comment it now worked absolutely fine 16:36:24 <planetmaker> lool :-) yes 16:36:28 <Ammler> which set did you push? 16:36:32 <planetmaker> buildings 16:36:34 <dandan___> the buildings 16:37:13 <planetmaker> dandan___: writing good commit messages is IMO important. It makes clear to others what happend 16:37:32 <planetmaker> I usuall use hg ci -m "my verbose commit message" 16:37:44 <dandan___> oh and also I shouldn't have added .DS_Store 16:37:53 <planetmaker> yes. you can undo that: 16:37:57 <planetmaker> hg remove .DS_Store 16:38:27 <planetmaker> Ammler: are you somehow changing the commit message? (Is that possible at all?) 16:38:40 <Ammler> no 16:38:48 <Ammler> but we could decline pushes 16:39:00 <dandan___> funny, it says the file .DS_Store is not under versioning but it still uploaded it 16:39:09 <Ammler> best is to trash the repo and push again ;-) 16:39:14 <dandan___> sorry, my fault 16:39:26 <Ammler> .ds_store isn't that bad 16:39:32 <Ammler> there are worse 16:39:48 <planetmaker> :-) 16:39:54 <Ammler> planetmaker: should show you his global ignore file 16:40:07 <planetmaker> :-) 16:40:57 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/216953 16:41:02 *** Beardie has quit IRC 16:41:30 <Ammler> planetmaker: that isn't global :-P 16:41:33 <dandan___> it was the .ds_store in the readme directory and removing it worked now 16:41:46 <planetmaker> Ammler: my global one is short 16:41:48 <planetmaker> history 16:41:50 <planetmaker> and testing 16:42:02 <planetmaker> but that's my local global one :-P 16:42:03 <Ammler> ds_store belongs there, imo 16:42:09 <Ammler> I mean that 16:42:24 <planetmaker> it is in there what I pasted ;-) 16:42:34 <planetmaker> # Files created by Mac image preview and file browser: 16:42:36 <planetmaker> .DS_Store 16:42:37 <dandan___> why, it's only usef ul for mac os 16:42:37 <planetmaker> Thumbs.db 16:42:52 <planetmaker> dandan___: so what? yes. But for all 16:42:57 <planetmaker> and others are not harmed 16:43:22 <Ammler> you shoulld copy that file to your home: ~/.hgignore 16:43:45 <planetmaker> Ammler: it's part of... each .hgignore in projects where I made the Makefile :-P 16:43:53 <planetmaker> and IMO that's where it belongs 16:43:59 <dandan___> what does it do? 16:44:00 <Ammler> and add "ignore.global = ~/.hgignore" to ~/.hgrc 16:44:15 <planetmaker> dandan___: it makes hg st not show that file 16:44:27 <Ammler> planetmaker: you know, I hate redundancy :-P 16:44:36 <planetmaker> Ammler: it's not redundancy 16:44:47 <planetmaker> anyone who checks out the repo should have a decent checkout 16:45:00 <Ammler> nah, nvm. up2you 16:45:14 <planetmaker> not only the regulars like me and you who have the whole thing properly setup ;-) 16:45:24 <planetmaker> have I(?) ;-) 16:46:29 <dandan___> does ignore.global = ~/.hgignore go into the ui section of hgrc or another one? 16:46:36 <planetmaker> Ammler: for the sam reason .bak etc are added there 16:46:54 <Ammler> yes, to [ui] 16:46:58 <planetmaker> dandan___: into another file 16:47:04 <planetmaker> .hgignore in the repo 16:47:12 <planetmaker> hm... 16:47:59 <planetmaker> it doesn't need to be mentioned anywhere, does it? 16:48:04 <planetmaker> or am I doing it wrong? 16:48:22 <Ammler> planetmaker: I was speaking about the global file 16:48:24 <planetmaker> ah, no, I have it in my global .hgrc 16:48:33 <planetmaker> ignore = ~/.hgignore 16:48:41 <planetmaker> in ~/.hgrc 16:49:07 <dandan___> okay 16:49:46 <Ammler> at least ds_store needs to be there 16:49:55 <Ammler> else you can't use add all 16:50:22 <Ammler> (until you have a ignore file in the repo itself) ;-) 16:50:34 <planetmaker> hehe 16:52:35 <dandan___> okay, I will add the other grfs in time, though not right away 16:52:41 <planetmaker> no rush 16:52:53 <planetmaker> it probably needs some cleaning up :-) 16:53:01 <planetmaker> which is better done in no hurry 16:53:07 <dandan___> oh yes 16:53:20 <planetmaker> well, you know where to find us 16:53:37 <planetmaker> and you at least have exercised how adding to the repos works 16:53:42 <dandan___> yes, thank you both for the help 16:53:50 <planetmaker> my pleasure, you're welcome 16:54:09 <dandan___> i will surely have more questions at some point but for now I should be okay 16:54:32 <planetmaker> when you have added the repos, and if you like, I could start adding the makefile system to the newgrfs. 16:54:44 <planetmaker> that would allow the server to build nightlies. 16:54:58 <planetmaker> and it would kinda automatize the grf generation 16:55:05 <dandan___> sure 16:55:10 <planetmaker> just call make in the dir and be done ;-) 16:55:12 <dandan___> you want to do that right now for the buildings? 16:55:22 <planetmaker> I could start 16:55:32 <dandan___> do you run renum in the makefile? 16:55:36 <planetmaker> but probably not tonight. I have to pack. I'm leaving home tomorrow at 6:30am 16:55:45 <planetmaker> yes, renum and grfcodec 16:55:51 <planetmaker> and gcc and ... stuff ;-) 16:55:52 <dandan___> poor boy 16:56:14 <dandan___> why gcc? 16:56:31 <planetmaker> pre-processing of the files. 16:56:37 <planetmaker> Not (yet) needed for yours. 16:56:43 <dandan___> oh okay 16:56:51 <planetmaker> But it allows e.g. the use to define globally vehicle IDs by names 16:57:00 <planetmaker> and re-use them by that name. Less confusion 16:57:02 <dandan___> at the moment the buildings really only need one run of renum and one run of grfcodec ;-) 16:57:12 <planetmaker> yep, I figured. 16:57:24 <dandan___> renum should run with -w 100,144 16:57:36 <planetmaker> and: the makefile will automatically give the nightlies a version string 16:57:53 <planetmaker> like you might or might not have seen for firs, fish, 2cctrainset 16:58:09 <dandan___> thats good 16:58:13 <planetmaker> the warnings can be put into the nfo, yes 16:58:26 <planetmaker> well, I'll see what I can do :-) 16:58:32 <dandan___> oh, I didn't know that 16:58:37 <planetmaker> you basically have the makefile system 16:58:43 <planetmaker> newgrf-makefile 16:58:51 <planetmaker> it has sprites/nfo/nfo_header.pnfo 16:59:05 <planetmaker> or one of the other two pnfo files there. they show how it should work 16:59:48 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/entry/sprites/nfo/header.pnfo 17:00:53 <dandan___> ahh I see, //@@WARNING DISABLE 17:00:56 <planetmaker> yup 17:01:38 <planetmaker> that _I_ can tell _you_ about nfo... 17:01:49 <planetmaker> wonders happen :-) 17:02:44 <planetmaker> ok, I'm off for a bit. 17:03:03 <dandan___> so am i 17:03:11 <dandan___> vielen dank und bis bald 17:03:42 <planetmaker> auf denne :-) 17:04:00 *** dandan___ has quit IRC 17:29:13 *** zachanima has quit IRC 17:30:41 *** zachanima has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:30:56 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v zachanima 17:33:44 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:33:49 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v DJNekkid 17:45:52 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 18:04:56 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:05:01 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 18:47:24 <Doorslammer> Ah, Mr Andy :D 18:49:26 <Doorslammer> Here's something that might be of interest to the FISH set? 18:49:29 <Doorslammer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_99 18:49:30 <Webster> Title: British Rail Class 99 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 18:51:39 <andythenorth> interesting 18:52:55 <Doorslammer> I didn't even know they were identified as such, but yeah, boats are fun :P 18:53:07 <Doorslammer> Something to fill the different eras anyway ;) 18:53:35 <planetmaker> lool, just lol 18:53:48 *** Audigex has quit IRC 18:54:14 *** Audigex has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:54:26 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Audigex 18:59:17 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:59:22 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v DJNekkid 19:11:33 <DJNekkid> andythenorth: did you get the wash to work properly? varAction2 B4 ?` 19:12:09 <andythenorth> frosch has demonstrated a fix (OTTD patch) for it 19:12:27 <DJNekkid> oki... it apparently werent implemented properly for ships then? 19:12:46 <andythenorth> it was kind of correct, but not what is needed 19:12:55 <DJNekkid> hehe 19:13:00 <andythenorth> so hopefully they'll change trunk 19:13:07 <DJNekkid> wierd really ... as it works for trains :) 19:13:14 <andythenorth> trains had a specific fix already 19:13:20 <andythenorth> but not other vehicles 19:13:20 <DJNekkid> oh... :) 19:13:54 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 19:13:56 <DJNekkid> planes must also have had it... 19:14:29 <DJNekkid> as pikka have different runningcosts on the different stages 19:20:35 <DJNekkid> hmm ... what more can we fit into that spreadsheet... 19:20:45 <DJNekkid> IDs? :) 19:20:59 <planetmaker> :-) 19:21:02 <planetmaker> We could 19:21:22 <planetmaker> or rather you ;-) 19:21:28 <DJNekkid> rather, me :) 19:22:11 <DJNekkid> and, what would be the better way to do it ... hmmm 19:22:29 <Ammler> rather kind of "offsets" 19:23:02 <DJNekkid> Thats what im thinking as well ... 19:23:07 <Ammler> hmm 19:23:44 <Ammler> didn't you once talk about, not to care about IDs, and just use linear numbering? 19:24:07 <Ammler> (staring at 256 19:24:17 <DJNekkid> well, we did, but that also introduce another problem 19:24:23 <DJNekkid> we need to sort them afterwards 19:24:29 <Ammler> why? 19:24:35 <Ammler> ah for the GUI? 19:24:50 <DJNekkid> cause i want steamers on top, then diesel, then electric, then DMU, then EMU, then railbuses 19:24:58 <DJNekkid> ^^ 19:25:54 <Ammler> what are railbuses? 19:25:56 <Ammler> trams? 19:26:15 <Ammler> no 19:26:16 <DJNekkid> no ... single vehicle cheap railgoing thingies 19:26:34 <Ammler> shor EMUs then? 19:26:42 <DJNekkid> DMUs usually ... 19:26:48 <DJNekkid> basicly it is OFTEN busses with railwheels instead of rubber wheels 19:27:07 <Ammler> does v1 have such vehicels? 19:27:10 <planetmaker> like the metro trains in parts 19:27:18 <planetmaker> and yes, it does 19:27:33 <planetmaker> there's even a vehicle which is named "Railbus" ;-) 19:27:38 <Ammler> he, then I missed those 19:27:43 <planetmaker> it's metro 19:27:53 <Ammler> hmm, isn't that maglev thing? 19:28:05 <DJNekkid> there are a few railbusses 19:28:07 <planetmaker> might also be 19:28:09 <Ammler> Turbobus 19:28:25 <DJNekkid> 809 Railcar (Diesel) 19:28:25 <DJNekkid> AR 2 (Diesel) 19:28:26 <DJNekkid> Kinki DMU 19:28:26 <DJNekkid> DM7 (Diesel) 19:28:26 <DJNekkid> 121 Railcar (Diesel) 19:28:26 <DJNekkid> 479 Railcar (Electric) 19:28:26 <DJNekkid> Leyland Railbus (Diesel) 19:28:28 <DJNekkid> VT 133 (Diesel) 19:28:28 <DJNekkid> 153-111 19:29:34 <Ammler> so my proposal is then to start with 1 on every category 19:29:51 <Ammler> I guess, that was the other thing we discussed. 19:30:00 <DJNekkid> but then, we also want to sort by alphabet... 19:30:17 <DJNekkid> so the bigboy is infront of the royal hudson :=) 19:30:36 <planetmaker> hm... where do I get midi files? I need some to test fs3223 :-) 19:30:46 <DJNekkid> sample.cat ? 19:30:57 <planetmaker> not music. That's sound afaik 19:31:04 <DJNekkid> oh... 19:35:41 <Ammler> planetmaker: from the transporttycoon.com 19:35:52 <Ammler> orudges page 19:36:02 <planetmaker> right. That'll do. Thanks 19:36:07 <planetmaker> didn't think of that. 19:36:17 <planetmaker> but... first I have to fix michi_cc's patch ;-) 19:46:12 <DJNekkid> hmm ... 19:46:15 *** Mark has quit IRC 19:46:27 <DJNekkid> i think we might just use an action0 sequenze to sort the list 19:46:54 *** Doorslammer has left #openttdcoop.devzone 19:48:14 <Ammler> hmm, isn't that up to the gui? 19:48:30 <DJNekkid> the GUI sorts it by vehicle ID 19:50:43 <planetmaker> couldn't we give it an explicit sorting? 19:50:49 <planetmaker> but well... 19:50:52 <DJNekkid> we can 19:50:59 <DJNekkid> Action 0 property 1A iirc 19:51:12 <DJNekkid> like "regsel" is right now 19:51:15 <planetmaker> that'd make it easy to have a TTDP and OTTD compatible newgrf 19:51:25 <planetmaker> just using consecutive IDs and be fine 19:51:36 <planetmaker> and sorting them then with 1A 19:51:48 <Ammler> hmm 19:52:12 <Ammler> I need to check, but I am quite sure , the openttd gui at least does support more then just id sorting 19:52:22 <DJNekkid> it does, but thats default 19:52:24 <planetmaker> of course it does 19:52:37 <planetmaker> and sensible defaults make sense 19:52:51 <Ammler> and you want to make the ids depense on alphabetic? 19:52:55 <planetmaker> so having a default sorting as DJN said is perfectly desirable 19:53:12 <planetmaker> uhm, no? On engine type. 19:53:21 <Ammler> yes, and then? 19:53:27 <planetmaker> dunno :-) 19:53:34 <Ammler> I would use the age 19:53:36 <planetmaker> I wouldn't care about the rest. Maybe region or age 19:53:57 <Ammler> not age, the appearing date 19:54:32 <DJNekkid> the reasonable sorting is in my head engine type (engines/mus), then traction with oldes type first, and more moden later 19:54:45 <DJNekkid> so, steam, diesel, electric, DMU, EMU 19:54:51 <DJNekkid> and then alphabeticaly 19:57:44 <DJNekkid> or what do u say? 19:58:17 <DJNekkid> i mean, in vanilla ottd are there about 10 or 15 engines 19:58:23 <DJNekkid> and intro dates are fine 19:58:34 <DJNekkid> but this set have, by now, close to 100 different ones 19:58:56 <DJNekkid> and thus does alphabeticaly make sense, i think 20:00:47 <Ammler> names don't matter, imo. 20:01:16 <Ammler> only for very experienced guys like you 20:01:40 <Ammler> but usual openttd players don't know the trains they use. 20:02:23 <DJNekkid> hehe ... i guess you have a point there 20:02:32 <Ammler> mostly, you want either the fastest or strongest engine available 20:02:44 <DJNekkid> like me you mean? :) 20:03:07 <Ammler> yes "like you" was linking to you :-P 20:03:22 <DJNekkid> hehe 20:03:49 <Ammler> if I look for a train, I scroll down to the last 20:03:56 <Ammler> or I change the sorting 20:04:14 <DJNekkid> but; the list can be sorted by power, speed, names, pretty much you name it 20:04:25 <DJNekkid> so, i think, the default sorting should be "clean" 20:04:26 <Ammler> in 2cc I usually use sorting as it is that many you need to look for. 20:05:26 <Ammler> I sort for speed backwards and check the power of the top engines 20:05:27 <planetmaker> and you don't always want the most powerful there. 20:05:32 <planetmaker> too high running costs ;-) 20:05:44 <Ammler> (me never does care about that :-P 20:05:56 <planetmaker> oh, for MM? 20:06:02 <DJNekkid> i _think_ that is a bit of the charm of the set ... 20:06:09 <DJNekkid> the "crappy" engines have its purpose 20:06:48 <DJNekkid> for example a "shunter" type can do 4 wagons of coal from a low produceing one, and feed it to a nearby high produceing one 20:07:16 <DJNekkid> and, the regional MUs have higher capacity and un/loading speed 20:07:31 <DJNekkid> compared to the speedy trains 20:07:33 <planetmaker> I didn't complain :-) 20:07:59 <DJNekkid> i just wanted to explain how i designed it at its early stage 20:08:03 <Ammler> I don't either, it jsut isn't too well recocnizeable 20:08:11 <planetmaker> but on some maps it's really difficult to have with the initial trains a profitable route (like <1950) 20:08:22 <Ammler> but imo, the difference from erail to rail is too much 20:08:38 <planetmaker> you mean the price tag? 20:08:53 <DJNekkid> thoose french steamers are quite cheap 20:09:06 <DJNekkid> runningcost wise 20:12:55 <DJNekkid> oh fuck! 20:13:17 <DJNekkid> ive forgotten about one thing, some enginges weigh more then 255tons 20:13:28 <DJNekkid> i need to add a highbyte for that! 20:17:08 <planetmaker> just cap them at 255 tons ;-) 20:17:19 <planetmaker> can ttdp handle that? 20:17:51 <DJNekkid> from 2.0.1 alpha 44 20:32:23 <DJNekkid> damn im good :) 20:32:36 <DJNekkid> =$AL&$B14&BL:BL&AVRUND(HVIS(P14<255;P14;HVIS(P14<512;P14-255;HVIS(P14<768;P14-512)))) 20:32:42 <DJNekkid> ==$AL&$B14&BN:BN&AVRUND(HVIS(P14<255;0;HVIS(P14<512;1;HVIS(P14<768;2)))) 20:33:05 <Rubidium> damn... how I love in C you can write that with comments over multiple lines 20:33:19 <DJNekkid> hehe! 20:33:29 <DJNekkid> hvis = if 20:33:30 <DJNekkid> btw 20:34:13 <Ammler> DJNekkid: did you look, if it is possible to save openoffice documents in textmode? 20:34:22 <DJNekkid> in csv ... ? 20:35:02 <Audigex> ammler 20:35:17 <Audigex> was it you who told me ben_k released all his openttd work GPL? 20:35:25 <Audigex> or possibly you who told me that about someone else 20:35:43 <Ammler> no 20:36:20 <Audigex> hmm 20:36:30 <Ammler> I might have meant DanMacK who has kind of public domain with attribution. 20:36:36 <Audigex> thats the one 20:36:51 <Audigex> thanks 20:37:12 <Ammler> his work is "compatible" with GPL :-) 20:37:25 <Audigex> yup 20:37:30 <Audigex> it was ben's i was after though :) 20:37:43 <Ammler> dunno, what he did 20:37:47 <Ammler> BKTunnels 20:38:12 <Ammler> something else? 20:38:26 <Audigex> ben's? just a couple of models in the brset 20:38:30 <Ammler> DJNekkid: not csv, 20:38:36 <Audigex> but we dont know if he's happy for it to be GPL or not 20:38:41 <Audigex> which means we'll have to redraw 20:38:49 <Ammler> or to ask :-P 20:38:56 <Audigex> well, that too 20:38:57 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 132: Change: progress on graphics for Vehicle Ferry Medium @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/132 (by andythenorth) 20:38:59 <Audigex> but i dont think he's around 20:39:28 <DJNekkid> Ammler: does HMTL count? 20:39:58 <planetmaker> Audigex: good luck finding BenK 20:40:08 <planetmaker> I tried by all means I could think of 20:40:23 <planetmaker> I couldn't establish any relation to a real name or other nicks elsewhere 20:40:25 <DJNekkid> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/416/oosave.PNG 20:40:37 <Ammler> DJNekkid: I means "real" openoffice documents 20:40:37 <planetmaker> and he isn't around tt-forums since last November 20:40:49 <Ammler> with formulas etc., just versioned 20:41:07 <Audigex> planetmaker: i know :( 20:41:14 <Audigex> thats why i'd hoped it was him 20:41:30 <Ammler> Audigex: check, who coded the bktunnels 20:41:37 <Ammler> maybe he could help 20:41:52 <planetmaker> nope. I spent like 2 hourse trying to identify him. He's Brithish, though and with a bit more effort you might locate him 20:42:14 <DJNekkid> Ammler: thats what i can save it on, perhaps some kind of plugin can do it? 20:42:16 <Ammler> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF_Table 20:42:22 <planetmaker> IIRC I had like three, four google places which might have been him 20:42:45 <Ammler> DJNekkid: you know, you can simple "unzip" office files 20:42:46 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - oosave.PNG @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/416/oosave.PNG (by DJNekkid) 20:43:05 <Ammler> then you get around 3 files or so, which are easy to versioning. 20:43:08 <DJNekkid> no, i have no idea :) 20:43:17 <Ammler> try it :-P 20:43:21 <Audigex> planet - if i get hold of him i'll tell him you wanted him too :) 20:43:35 <Audigex> last visited 18 months ago thoough :( 20:43:46 <planetmaker> Audigex: well. I basically want him to attach a free license to his newgrfs. 20:44:05 <Audigex> thats what i was hoping for :) 20:44:05 <planetmaker> so that people may re-use it. 20:44:40 <planetmaker> last year in autumn dih and me started the stuff with the licenses... which led finally to bananas in a loose way :-) 20:44:58 <planetmaker> (my vain interpretation of things ;-) ) 20:45:25 <DJNekkid> but yes, i could unzip it ... 20:45:37 <DJNekkid> not sure how it helps me tho :) 20:45:56 <DJNekkid> it seems to be some XML 20:46:48 <planetmaker> hm... that might or might not be readable via awk & co 20:47:06 <planetmaker> and if it's loadable in OOo 20:47:21 <DJNekkid> the "contents.xml" is close to 3mb 20:47:26 <DJNekkid> "pure" text 20:49:35 <DJNekkid> the .xls file is close to 1mb, the .ods file is 159kb 20:51:56 <Rubidium> hmm... you're exporting an excel sheet with functions to ods? 20:52:13 <DJNekkid> "save as" 20:52:52 <DJNekkid> if that counts as exporting... 20:53:25 <Rubidium> okay, FYI: MS exported ods loses the functions when loaded in anything but MS' Excel; only the values remain (at least that was the result of the last compatability test I've seen) 20:54:13 <DJNekkid> i were merely testing the unzipability ... 20:54:16 <DJNekkid> and i noticed it :) 20:54:18 <Ammler> Rubidium: loading excel files in openoffice works quite well 20:54:20 <DJNekkid> but, im in openoffice anyway 20:54:23 <Ammler> also with formulas 20:54:46 <Rubidium> Ammler: what kind of excel files? 20:55:01 <Rubidium> one of MS' formats? 20:55:20 <Ammler> some finace reports 20:55:33 <Ammler> not very complicated stuff. 20:55:59 <Rubidium> okay, rephrase: what's the extension of the excel files you're loading? 20:56:18 <Ammler> xls it was 20:56:26 <Ammler> now they are ods 20:56:44 <Rubidium> and if it's .ods, do the sums/functions get updated when you change some intermediate values? 20:57:11 <Ammler> I updated my fathers pc to opensuse a year ago, he is a cashier of a small community 20:57:18 <Rubidium> e.g. a sheet with: A1: 1, A2: 2, A3: = A1 + A2 20:57:42 <Ammler> yes, that works for sure 20:57:48 <Rubidium> if you make that in Excel, export as ods, load in OpenOffice. Changing the value of A1 or A2 wouldn't change the value of A3 20:57:57 <Ammler> oh 20:58:02 <Ammler> I have no idea about excel 20:58:11 <Ammler> I meant importing :-) 20:58:24 <Rubidium> unless OpenOffice is working around MS' inability to export a proper ods file 20:58:35 <Ammler> importing of excel files in openoffice works quite easy. 20:58:44 <DJNekkid> Rubidium: im on open... 20:59:04 <Ammler> DJNekkid: does export to xls :-) 20:59:16 <Ammler> which afaik works as good 20:59:17 <DJNekkid> as intended 20:59:47 <DJNekkid> the only thing i really miss in "open excel" is fat borders 21:00:04 <Ammler> he? 21:00:35 <DJNekkid> you know... the borders one can put around the cells 21:00:40 <Ammler> since version 3, openoffice should have everything excel 2k had 21:00:49 <Ammler> no idea about the newer ones. 21:01:05 <DJNekkid> i have a version 3 something 21:01:21 <Ammler> you can for sure make boarders around a cell 21:01:25 <Rubidium> 3.1.1 does fat borders 21:02:10 <DJNekkid> this was 3.0.0 :) 21:02:33 <Ammler> well, I highly guess, also version 2 did that already 21:02:44 <DJNekkid> i blame my IT appartment 21:02:48 <Ammler> :-) 21:03:20 <Ammler> maybe the just said it, so you don't push the bosses to switch to openoffice ;-) 21:03:38 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:03:42 <DJNekkid> all "floor" employes have openoffice, not MS 21:05:02 <andythenorth> good night 21:05:07 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 21:06:02 <DJNekkid> our winxp computers are even locked, so we cant install stuff... 21:06:19 <DJNekkid> good thing i know how to "hack" that ... i.e. insert a CD that does it for me :p 21:07:21 <Ammler> knoppix :-) 21:08:05 <Ammler> well, there might be a reason, why they are locked :-P 21:08:54 <Ammler> such things, you simply don't need to care about in linux 21:09:09 <Ammler> if the user want to install something, he can do that in his home. 21:09:35 <Ammler> I still have no issues to get there with ssh and run my zypper things. 21:10:28 <DJNekkid> they are locked so we dont fill them with all kinds of shit :) 21:10:34 <planetmaker> Ammler: but even that might be undesirable. 21:10:40 <DJNekkid> virus, porn, you name it :) 21:10:48 <DJNekkid> atleast i dont have viruses :) 21:10:58 <planetmaker> there are environments where you just don't want any executable except checked by IT staff 21:11:08 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: that's what you say now ;-) 21:11:24 <Ammler> planetmaker: well, that might also be possible with linux 21:11:37 <planetmaker> Ammler: yes, sure 21:11:58 <Ammler> but not on maschines which you take with you 21:12:01 <planetmaker> but then not everything runs under lin. And locking is a way :-) 21:12:10 <Ammler> then it is better to allow such things. 21:12:18 <planetmaker> Ammler: also there... 21:12:36 <Ammler> planetmaker: then you need to crypt the hd. 21:12:51 <planetmaker> of course 21:13:14 <Ammler> oh well, that is a bit another category :-) 21:13:40 <Ammler> I know people they crypt the had because of the torrents they download :-P 21:13:55 <Ammler> -a 21:14:22 <planetmaker> but those people don't have their machines pre-configured by an IT department :-) 21:15:59 <DJNekkid> omg, the football table is DAMN close on its middle section... 21:16:13 <DJNekkid> 5 Brann 25 10 7 8 42 - 41 37 21:16:13 <DJNekkid> 6 Start 24 8 9 7 39 - 44 33 21:16:13 <DJNekkid> 7 Viking 24 8 8 8 33 - 33 32 21:16:13 <DJNekkid> 8 Tromsø 24 8 8 8 30 - 31 32 21:16:13 <DJNekkid> 9 Sandefjord 25 8 8 9 32 - 37 32 21:16:14 <DJNekkid> 10 Vålerenga 25 9 4 12 39 - 44 31 21:16:14 <DJNekkid> 11 Lillestrøm 25 7 9 9 36 - 42 30 21:16:16 <DJNekkid> 12 Aalesund 25 8 6 11 29 - 38 30 21:16:16 <DJNekkid> 13 Strømsgodset 25 7 5 13 32 - 37 26 21:16:38 <Ammler> thanks DJNekkid, I am very interested in your local football :-P 21:17:06 <DJNekkid> hehe! 21:17:15 <Ammler> quite high points 21:17:26 <Ammler> you get more then 3 points for a winner? 21:17:30 <DJNekkid> no 21:17:47 <DJNekkid> but the series are played from april to november 21:18:04 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 21:18:09 <DJNekkid> not like most other european countries, where its played from like august to may or something 21:18:14 <planetmaker> norway and winter = cold and dark ;-) 21:18:18 <DJNekkid> http://www.vg.no/sport/fotball/ 21:18:20 <Webster> Title: Fotball - VG Nett (at www.vg.no) 21:18:22 <DJNekkid> about 2 pages down 21:18:27 <DJNekkid> right side 21:21:20 <Ammler> DJNekkid: your paste failed :-P 21:24:04 * Ammler tries to remember last game against norway... 21:24:20 <DJNekkid> IF EVER 21:24:27 <DJNekkid> sorry caps 21:25:23 <Ammler> 17.08.2005 Norwegen - Schweiz 0 : 2 Länderspiel Ullevaal Stadium, Oslo 21:25:27 <Ammler> \o/ 21:26:16 <DJNekkid> sure thats not women or something? 21:26:23 <DJNekkid> or some youth-match=? 21:27:23 <planetmaker> probably it's cricket :-P 21:27:26 <DJNekkid> apparently it were somet training game 21:27:30 <planetmaker> and now good night :-) 21:27:34 <DJNekkid> http://www.vg.no/sport/fotball/artikkel.php?artid=287184 21:27:36 <Webster> Title: Norge - Sveits 0-2 - VG Nett om Landslaget (at www.vg.no) 21:28:11 <Ammler> well 21:28:26 <Ammler> on 2000, there was a bad game from our sigth 21:28:29 <Ammler> 5:0 21:29:17 <Ammler> 10.09.1997 Norwegen - Schweiz 5 : 0 WM - Qualifikation Ulleval, Oslo » Telegramm 21:29:26 <DJNekkid> 29.03.2000: 2-2 21:29:27 <Ammler> 2000 was another game 21:30:21 <Ammler> I guess, we have kinda equal statistics 21:30:42 <DJNekkid> IN OTHER WORDS: WE BOTH SUCK... 21:30:44 <Ammler> but it seems you won more of the important games 21:30:51 <DJNekkid> god damn it ... caps again 21:30:56 <Ammler> oh fully agree :-P 21:31:16 <Ammler> hmm, ice hockey 21:31:30 <DJNekkid> anyway, in 1995-2000 ish were the "glory days" for the norwegian national football team 21:32:01 <Ammler> ours just began, we won against greeks :-) 21:32:05 <Rubidium> football as in foot + ball or egg + hand? 21:32:28 <DJNekkid> as in, marko van basten :) 21:32:45 <Rubidium> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/football_handegg.jpg 21:32:48 <Webster> Title: pics.nase-bohren.de" target="_blank">pics.nase-bohren.de 0.05c - Wir bohren einfach weiter (at pics.nase-bohren.de" target="_blank">pics.nase-bohren.de) 21:32:58 <Ammler> DJNekkid: the glory days of dutch also is far in past ;-) 21:33:21 <planetmaker> hehe :-) http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=139&action=showRivalBalance&liga=Nationalmannschaft&gegner=dfbat60&lang=E&cHash=8ce12b33f7 21:33:22 <Webster> Title: DFB - Deutscher Fußball-Bund e.V. - International game results (at www.dfb.de) 21:34:00 <DJNekkid> they werent THAT bad in last years ... something ... 21:34:01 <Ammler> hmm, the "clever" countries call that ruckby or something like 21:34:23 <planetmaker> http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=139&action=showRivalBalance&liga=Nationalmannschaft&gegner=dfbat35&lang=E&cHash=7b64f8c300 :-P 21:34:24 <Webster> Title: DFB - Deutscher Fußball-Bund e.V. - International game results (at www.dfb.de) 21:35:44 <Ammler> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/newfirefoxlogo.jpg 21:35:46 <Webster> Title: pics.nase-bohren.de" target="_blank">pics.nase-bohren.de 0.05c - Wir bohren einfach weiter (at pics.nase-bohren.de" target="_blank">pics.nase-bohren.de) 21:36:04 <Ammler> 5 cent? 21:36:10 <DJNekkid> what about the "green piracy" ? 21:36:26 <planetmaker> 21.11.1956 Frankfurt/M. Germany - Switzerland 1:3 <--- last win of Switzerland ;-) 21:37:03 <planetmaker> ok, and now really a good night :-P 21:37:28 <DJNekkid> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/polizei.jpg 21:37:29 <Webster> Title: pics.nase-bohren.de" target="_blank">pics.nase-bohren.de 0.05c - Wir bohren einfach weiter (at pics.nase-bohren.de" target="_blank">pics.nase-bohren.de) 21:39:40 <DJNekkid> roflmao! 21:59:27 *** Beardie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:59:32 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Beardie 22:08:34 *** Beardie has quit IRC 22:09:24 *** Beardie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:09:29 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Beardie 22:10:51 *** Beardie has quit IRC 22:19:23 *** Audigex has quit IRC 22:31:01 *** Audigex has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:31:13 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Audigex