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That explains how nml implements those assignments :) 14:51:16 <planetmaker> yup :) 14:51:30 <planetmaker> NML also has LOAD_TMP and SAVE_TMP 14:51:37 <planetmaker> to make explicit use of that 14:52:25 <Alberth> so I realized that nml is mostly an expression rewriter 14:52:35 <Alberth> not sure how accurate that is, though :) 14:52:35 *** skyem123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:52:46 <planetmaker> in a way, it is, yes 14:53:05 <planetmaker> but in that way every compiler is :) 14:54:10 <Alberth> hmm, I mean a rewriter of + & and - operations and such 14:54:35 <Alberth> other compilers also mess with statements like while and functions 14:55:05 <planetmaker> nml does not yet implement the while loop (properly?) 14:56:55 <Alberth> is a while loop a good idea in a game that needs to continue running at a certain frame rate? 14:57:43 <Alberth> although, in all those years, there were probably people thinking a turing-complete newgrf language would be a good idea :p 14:58:21 <Alberth> otherwise you'd never be able to implement openttd in it :p 14:58:50 <planetmaker> iirc grfspecs have a hard-coded limitation of N loop runs where they terminate 14:59:08 <Alberth> sounds like a sane precaution 14:59:30 <planetmaker> there even was once a commit iirc where it was lowered due to some (industry?) grf using too many 15:00:05 *** skyem123 has quit IRC 15:00:30 *** skyem123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:01:37 *** skyem123 has quit IRC 15:01:45 <Alberth> my discovery makes me want to write an experimental expression translator to see whether I am right :) 15:01:59 *** skyem123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:02:03 <Alberth> but too much work 15:02:30 <Alberth> hi skyem123, you're welcome to stay a little longer 15:02:42 <skyem123> ? 15:03:02 <Alberth> you're spamming the channel with leave and enter messages 15:03:13 <skyem123> oops, sorry 15:04:28 *** skyem123 has quit IRC 15:04:35 <planetmaker> hm :S 15:05:29 <planetmaker> so would speak against me tagging current NML as-is as 0.3.0? 15:08:50 <Alberth> no, why would you think that? 15:09:15 <planetmaker> I wouldn't think that really. Just want some moral support :P 15:09:27 <Alberth> oh, ok :D 15:09:45 <Alberth> yes planetmaker, that sounds like a splendid idea 15:09:48 <Alberth> (really) 15:10:10 <Alberth> it's not that we have stuff that can be added or changed 15:10:20 <Alberth> in any short term, at least 15:12:08 <Alberth> lol, you install qt-doc and get a dedicated browser installed as well :) 15:12:57 <planetmaker> he :) 15:13:24 <planetmaker> hm... my ssh key in ~/.ssh is not recognized when using kde as opposed to gnome... wtf? 15:14:28 <Alberth> file access properties? 15:14:42 <Alberth> or directory access properties? 15:14:55 <planetmaker> but same user etc. Just chose to use different window manager on login 15:15:08 <Alberth> very weird 15:15:38 <Alberth> you use some gui ssh client? 15:16:57 <planetmaker> no 15:17:06 <Alberth> right, the package is called qt-assistant, so of course the actual browser is called assistant-qt :p 15:17:34 <planetmaker> he :) 15:18:39 <planetmaker> seems I'm not the only one to have seen this behaviour when switching from gnome to kde... just need to find correct answer :) 15:27:10 <Alberth> oh great, they added widgets that have no data of their own, but instead query everything from your data store 15:27:27 <planetmaker> sounds ... nice 15:27:36 <planetmaker> what do you use qt for anyway? :) 15:27:48 <Alberth> thus elimnating the problem of keeping two copies of data in sync 15:27:54 <planetmaker> (just curious) 15:28:28 <Alberth> My father has a digital camera, and no clue whatsoever how to use a computer 15:28:55 <Alberth> so I am making an application with pyqt to simplify the process to a few button clicks 15:29:22 <Alberth> without having to find the buttons in a sea of menus and toolbars etc 15:29:24 <planetmaker> :) 15:29:49 <planetmaker> what is that application supposed to do, so that the existing ones don't do the job? 15:30:10 <Alberth> have minimal functionality, mostly :) 15:30:26 <planetmaker> download and display? 15:30:59 <Alberth> 1. copy pictures into the computer; 2. delete pictures from the camera; 3. burn pictures on dvd; 4. quit 15:31:34 <planetmaker> hm :) Ok, in 2 easy steps that doesn't exist pre-fab 15:31:52 <Alberth> display seems like a likely extension at some point, which is why I opted for a graphical program now 15:31:57 <planetmaker> though I'll usually recommend currently digikam. But... possibly I'd not recommend it to my dad either :) 15:32:30 <planetmaker> though digikam offers me to import images from camera when I plug it 15:32:53 <planetmaker> and has buttons for multiple types of exports 15:32:56 <Alberth> he's used to a custom DOS program on a dedicated computer 15:33:09 <Alberth> ie one key press is enough 15:34:04 <planetmaker> hm, one of Alberth's earlier programmes, eh? :) 15:34:28 <Alberth> no, it was something he used at his work, no doubt very expensive 15:36:00 <planetmaker> oh :) 15:36:01 <Alberth> it may even have been a PLC controlled program :p 15:39:13 <planetmaker> hm :) 16:00:59 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:01:54 <DevZone> Project NML - NewGRF Meta Language build #195-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 16 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/nml/195/ 16:01:59 <DevZone> Project NML - NewGRF Meta Language build #196-releases: FAILURE in 4.2 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/nml/196/ 16:03:37 <DevZone> Project NML - NewGRF Meta Language build #197-nightlies: STILL FAILING in 3.5 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/nml/197/ 16:08:01 *** oskari89 has quit IRC 16:08:24 <planetmaker> so different keyrings were the issue... 16:09:11 <Alberth> makes a lot of sense :) 16:09:44 <Alberth> although you'd hope they would integrate the underlying services, as nobody sees them anyway :) 16:10:06 <Alberth> but not likely to happen probably 16:10:43 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 16:15:18 <DevZone> Yippee, build fixed! 16:15:19 <DevZone> Project NML - NewGRF Meta Language build #198-releases: FIXED in 55 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/nml/198/ 16:17:36 <DevZone> Project NML - NewGRF Meta Language build #199-push: SUCCESS in 58 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/nml/199/ 16:18:44 <DevZone> Project NML - NewGRF Meta Language build #200-releases: SUCCESS in 1 min 7 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/nml/200/ 16:19:41 <DevZone> Project NML - NewGRF Meta Language build #201-nightlies: SUCCESS in 56 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/nml/201/ 16:20:47 <planetmaker> two releases in a day :) 16:25:24 <Alberth> \o/ 16:32:18 *** skyem123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:39:40 <planetmaker> wb :) 16:47:55 <DevZone> Project OpenGFX+ Industries build #73-push: SUCCESS in 28 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/ogfx-industries/73/ 16:54:27 <DevZone> Project NML - NewGRF Meta Language build #202-nightlies: FAILURE in 45 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/nml/202/ 16:56:10 *** skyem123 has quit IRC 17:04:40 *** skyem123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:06:37 <DevZone> Yippee, build fixed! 17:06:38 <DevZone> Project NML - NewGRF Meta Language build #203-nightlies: FIXED in 43 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/nml/203/ 17:07:14 <DevZone> Project finnishtrams build #81-nightlies: SUCCESS in 37 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/finnishtrams/81/ 17:10:34 <DevZone> Project OpenGFX+ Landscape build #45-push: SUCCESS in 23 min: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/ogfx-landscape/45/ 17:15:04 *** skyem123_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:15:22 *** skyem123 is now known as Guest2036 17:15:22 *** skyem123_ is now known as skyem123 17:21:58 *** Guest2036 has quit IRC 17:22:42 <DevZone> Project Japanese Buildings build #67-nightlies: SUCCESS in 17 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/jpbuild/67/ 17:34:27 <DevZone> Project Finnish Rail Infrastructure - Rails build #181-nightlies: SUCCESS in 8 min 2 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/frissrails/181/ 17:48:03 <Alberth> planetmaker: dates of 0.3.0 and 0.2.5 in the changelog are still (tbd) 17:48:29 <planetmaker> I just noticed, yes... :S 17:48:41 <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #555-nightlies: SUCCESS in 1 min 16 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/555/ 17:50:26 <DevZone> Project NML - NewGRF Meta Language build #204-push: SUCCESS in 42 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/nml/204/ 17:51:47 <Alberth> fixes #5429 <-- planetmaker others are "issue #..." 17:52:41 <planetmaker> meh :) script failure 17:53:07 <planetmaker> (and overlooked) 17:53:21 <Alberth> and "." is inconsistent :) 17:54:45 <Alberth> docuemnt typo 17:56:24 <Alberth> quite a long list 17:56:42 <Alberth> always amazing how many small fixes you do :) 17:57:36 <planetmaker> well, that's the fixes accumulated over a year or so 17:57:41 <planetmaker> for 0.3.0 that is 17:58:32 <planetmaker> so ... with or without trailing "." in the changelog? :D 17:59:11 <Alberth> there are also sentences of the form. (issue #1234). :p 17:59:35 <Alberth> perhaps remove all dots is the easiest 18:02:27 <planetmaker> yeah :) 18:02:43 *** skyem123 has quit IRC 18:04:16 <Alberth> do you have openttdcoop wiki powers? http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Servers has some "Other servers" which are not online with weird addresses at ammler.ch 18:04:44 <Alberth> not sure how up to date that is 18:08:20 <planetmaker> :) I think it still exists, but indeed that's weired and quite old addresses 18:11:53 <planetmaker> doesn't hurt to remove them or at least those images which will never work (again) 18:13:16 <Alberth> did you get any sign of ammler since his disappearance? 18:14:59 <planetmaker> nope :( 18:53:00 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:17:34 *** oskari89 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:58:38 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:08:48 *** Alberth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 21:37:51 *** oskari89 has quit IRC 21:42:34 *** orudge has quit IRC 21:42:35 *** orudge has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:46:01 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 22:19:02 *** gelignite has quit IRC 22:30:57 *** andythenorth has quit IRC