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00:02:50 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 00:11:07 <Bjarni> do anybody know how to use lpr for printing? 00:11:29 <RichK67> eek... looooooooooong time since i used that.... 00:11:54 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-182.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 00:11:56 <Bjarni> I tried "lpr -P (printer IP) file", but that resulted in lpr: error - unable to print file: client-error-not-found 00:12:10 <Bjarni> any idea what it mean? 00:12:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> printing? i used to do that with "copy foo lpt:" :) 00:12:25 <RichK67> usually it was .... cat file.txt | lpr ... but its nearly 20 yrs ago 00:13:19 <Bjarni> heh 00:14:45 <Bjarni> lpr is THE way to print postscript files from CLI, right? 00:15:14 <tank> should work Bjarni 00:15:31 <tank> but i don't think it wants the ip 00:15:37 <tank> i think it wants the printer-name 00:15:53 <tank> -P destination 00:15:54 <tank> Prints files to the named printer. 00:15:55 <Bjarni> could be 00:16:42 <tank> try "lpstat -a" 00:16:46 <tank> this should list your printers 00:16:52 <tank> and then lpr -P PRINTERNAME 00:16:58 <tank> but there should be a "default printer" 00:17:07 <tank> so that you can print just with "lpr FILE" 00:17:31 <Bjarni> hmm 00:17:36 <Bjarni> it displayed two printers 00:17:47 <Bjarni> if no -P argument is used, will it pick the top one? 00:17:49 <tank> and you want another one?:) 00:17:56 <Sionide> regeegregefee 00:18:02 <tank> i'm not sure at the moment, have to read 00:18:23 <tank> "the system default destination" 00:18:58 <Bjarni> ok, that moved the problem from the computer to the printer 00:19:03 <tank> hrrhrr:) 00:19:11 <Bjarni> it started flashing orange and it didn't start to print :( 00:19:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> first guess would be no paper ;) 00:19:38 <tank> but hey, it looks nice?:) 00:20:11 <Bjarni> ahh, somehow I triggered manual feed 00:20:22 <Bjarni> the print looks rather nice :) 00:20:55 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:22:07 <RichK67> some printers need a formfeed appending to a file ... normally print spooler ensures there is one, but lpr is more primitive 00:24:25 <Bjarni> well, I got it to print, so that's the most important part :) 00:24:30 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:24:32 <RichK67> verdict on type 4b? worth coding? 00:24:47 <Bjarni> I think it's worth coding 00:25:04 <Tobin> RichK67: If you had the sprites could you put helipads on the terminal roof? 00:25:11 <Tobin> RichK67: I'd use it. 00:25:24 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 00:25:59 <Bjarni> I'm not sure I would use it, but that's more because I tend not to use aircrafts at all. It appears to be a nice airport 00:26:13 <RichK67> tobin - tricky, im not sure the landing system can cope with roof landings (heliports have special extra code) 00:26:13 <Bjarni> I would likely use it if I got the idea to use a lot of aircrafts 00:26:37 <Bjarni> that's a version 2 :) 00:26:42 <RichK67> 5 terms is quite a lot... but i think 3 too few ;) 00:28:00 <RichK67> what about finishing the type 3, and just letting the players choose ingame... type 3 ext has 4 terms, 3 helipads in same space as type 4 (5 terms, no helipads) 00:40:27 <RichK67> gn 00:40:46 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 00:43:07 <Bjarni> any idea how I do something like echo "stdin string"? 00:43:43 <Bjarni> where string is hardcoded (in this case form feed) 00:51:23 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-20-97.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 00:52:44 <Bjarni> nevermind, I figured out another way to solve this issue :) 00:52:48 <Bjarni> I think 00:52:55 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:53:03 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a46c27.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:06:21 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176120067.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 01:31:29 *** Zerot_ [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:39:39 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 02:15:03 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:03:16 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 03:03:38 <black_Nightmare> does joining a server game hosted by someone always have to reset your patches&difficulity settings? just curious 03:04:21 <Vornicus> Eventually it shouldn't. 03:05:21 <black_Nightmare> hm thanks anyhow 03:05:31 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 03:05:49 <black_Nightmare> went to look in the patch settings and .. stfu it if the vehicle numbers were set different that what I *knew* I had set them as before.... lol figures 03:07:58 <black_Nightmare> anyway...ty...me going to bed now 03:08:12 <black_Nightmare> going try start my own server tomorrow :p .. so was fiddling with the settings/difficulity 03:08:41 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 03:10:27 * Vornicus gnaws the universe 03:57:50 *** dp_ [n=dp@p54B2DA01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:58:14 *** Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Hendikins 04:10:49 *** doskey [i=doskey@222.92.75.214] has joined #openttd 04:12:29 <doskey> Hi all.. 04:12:32 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2F931.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:12:32 *** dp_ is now known as dp-- 04:14:24 *** Netsplit over, joins: Hendikins 04:24:08 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B34E26.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:36:06 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B34E26.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:38:48 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:40:42 *** doskey [i=doskey@222.92.75.214] has quit [] 05:17:50 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:33:03 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3F6BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:33:12 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3F6BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd ["Client exiting"] 05:41:36 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 05:48:33 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has quit ["do coders dream of sheep()?"] 05:53:18 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 05:53:23 <MeusH> hello 05:55:57 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:56:20 <MeusH> Celestar: what do you think about automaticly converting normal rail to electrified, when player wants to cross electrified railway track with normal railway? 05:56:36 <MeusH> I'm curious, and some guy asked on the wiki, I'd like to answer him 06:02:24 <peter1138> it's in the plans 06:04:16 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:04:37 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 06:08:17 <MeusH> allright 06:08:18 <MeusH> thanks 06:14:51 <MeusH> cya 06:14:54 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Goodbye"] 06:16:15 <CIA-5> tron * r4187 /trunk/road_cmd.c: Simplify the code for building/removing a piece of road a bit 06:16:41 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:18:11 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:18:27 <peter1138> morning mr tron 06:30:25 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:39:23 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #openttd 06:49:19 <peter1138> there's a bug in the mouse pointer hiding/showing code 06:49:36 <Fujitsu> :O 06:49:43 <Fujitsu> A bug in OpenTTD!? How new... 06:49:57 <peter1138> on entry the pointer shows for one frame in its old position before moving to where it should be 06:50:01 <peter1138> critical! 06:53:54 <Fujitsu> :O 06:53:59 <Fujitsu> Terrible! 06:54:00 <Fujitsu> Release stopper! 06:54:04 <Fujitsu> Severity: Grave. 06:54:27 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Don't worry, I'll be back tomorrow to annoy you then :)"] 06:57:01 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 06:57:19 <SpComb> Severity: WE WILL ALL DIEEEEE! 06:57:22 <SpComb> ? 06:57:51 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:00:18 *** J37 [n=gamma@70-57-153-59.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #openttd 07:07:24 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:08:39 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has joined #openttd 07:10:11 *** Nubian is now known as Nubi|Away 07:11:33 <Celestar> Vornicus: ping 07:12:03 * Vornicus explodes in a shower of bing. 07:12:09 <Celestar> Vornicus: PM 07:12:23 <Vornicus> *bling 07:13:26 <CIA-5> KUDr * r4188 /branch/yapf/ (rail.h rail_map.h tile.h): - Fix: C++ compliance (missing typecasts) 07:19:28 <Celestar> hey peops 07:19:28 *** MagicJohn [n=magical@unaffiliated/magicjohn] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:20:06 *** Scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:21:04 <CIA-5> KUDr * r4189 /branch/yapf/stdafx.h: 07:21:04 <CIA-5> C++ compliance: 07:21:04 <CIA-5> - suppress warning C4005: 'offsetof' : macro redefinition (VC8) 07:21:04 <CIA-5> - added EXTERN_C_BEGIN and EXTERN_C_END macros 07:24:53 <Tefad> bologna. 07:25:19 <Scia> yapf!!! 07:25:40 <Scia> is that a new path finder? 07:25:47 <KUDr> yep 07:25:50 <Scia> :D 07:25:51 <Scia> nice 07:26:18 <KUDr> for now only attempt 07:26:24 <KUDr> we will see 07:28:13 <Scia> at least it is nice to see you try :) 07:28:36 <Scia> and then pbs will actually be nice, because it doesn't suck al the power out of the cpu 07:28:41 <KUDr> hopefully it is not 'mission impossible' 07:29:07 <KUDr> yes, this is why i begin with yapf 07:29:09 <Celestar> peter1138: ping 07:33:57 <Scia> I hope you succeed. Pity, I can't program and my efforts are not succesful :( 07:36:53 <Celestar> ^^ 07:38:22 *** MagicJohn [n=magical@unaffiliated/magicjohn] has joined #openttd 07:43:37 <Celestar> excuse me, but why do we use Random instead of InteractiveRandom when _generating_world is set? 07:43:38 *** MagicJohn [n=magical@unaffiliated/magicjohn] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:49:14 *** Stumo [i=stjm2@student.cusu.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:49:20 *** Stumo [i=stjm2@student.cusu.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 07:56:42 *** DarkSSH [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 07:56:45 *** mode/#openttd [+o DarkSSH] by ChanServ 08:00:41 <peter1138> pong 08:01:00 <Celestar> peter1138: any reason why the train GUI fix is not committed ? 08:01:09 <DarkSSH> Celestar: ping 08:01:14 <peter1138> cos i didn't get a chance to do thorough testing 08:01:15 <Celestar> DarkSSH: I'm here 08:01:21 <Celestar> peter1138: good reason 08:01:36 <DarkSSH> Celestar: I just realized that if you want to test for desyncs in MP games by comparing savegames for binary-compatibility 08:01:46 <DarkSSH> there is a 90% chance that they won't be equal 08:02:08 <DarkSSH> because of the PATCHES chunk where there are also entries saved that are not synchronized in network-games 08:02:15 *** DarkSSH is now known as Darkvater 08:02:26 <Celestar> Darkvater: but we know the location of this information? 08:02:28 <Darkvater> morning all btw :) 08:02:34 <Darkvater> Celestar: yes 08:02:35 <Celestar> and we can just run with the same openttd.cfg. 08:02:49 <peter1138> so, is anyone able to test? 08:03:15 <Darkvater> well it's not something that can't be overcome, but it needs some attention :) 08:03:29 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/depotcrash.diff 08:03:59 * peter1138 is scared 08:04:28 <Celestar> foo & 0x1C == GB(foo, 2, 3) right? 08:06:04 <peter1138> ish 08:06:19 <peter1138> same bits but shifted... 08:08:01 <Celestar> yeah 08:08:03 <Celestar> ok 08:09:25 <Celestar> Random() is network save, right? 08:10:50 <peter1138> depends what you mean by network safe :) 08:11:06 <peter1138> it's network synchronised, so should be used in command code 08:12:04 <Celestar> ok 08:12:17 <Celestar> under what circumstances should Random() not be used? 08:12:56 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B84671.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:13:41 <peter1138> in gui code 08:14:01 <Celestar> what about the map generator? 08:14:22 <peter1138> should be okay there as the game hasn't started, and no clients can be connected 08:18:18 <CIA-5> celestar * r4190 /trunk/ (town_cmd.c town_map.h): -Codechange: Add and make use of an accessor function to create houses 08:18:47 <Celestar> ModifyTile count: 5 08:19:30 <Celestar> Question: does anyone object to creating a file unmovable.h ? 08:22:06 <tokai> functions.h:122: warning: `TIC' redefined 08:22:06 <tokai> debug.h:41: warning: this is the location of the previous definition 08:22:11 <tokai> functions.h:123: warning: `TOC' redefined 08:22:11 <tokai> debug.h:50: warning: this is the location of the previous definition 08:22:11 <Fujitsu> Redundancy alert!!!! 08:22:16 <tokai> can somethine fix this? :) 08:22:40 <Fujitsu> Celestar, you don't need to prefix questions with 'Question: ' (as long as they end with a '?') 08:22:44 <Fujitsu> :P 08:22:58 <tokai> #ifndef TIC #define TIC #endif or such.. or better define it only at one place:) 08:23:14 <Fujitsu> Oh dear. Silly TIC and TOC. 08:24:07 <tokai> hmm 08:25:34 <Darkvater> [tfarago@pc306a 10:25 ~/openttd] > grep -Hn "TIC(" *.[ch] 08:25:35 <Darkvater> debug.h:37:#define TIC() {\ 08:25:35 <Darkvater> os_timer.c:64: * you just won't be able to profile your code with TIC()/TOC() */ 08:25:38 <Darkvater> train_cmd.c:2146: TIC() 08:25:46 <Darkvater> there is only TIC/TOC in debug.h 08:25:47 <tokai> wait a mom. 08:25:57 <peter1138> heh 08:26:11 <peter1138> functions.h:122 is an empty line 08:26:21 <Fujitsu> Oh dear. 08:26:24 <tokai> i had a conflict w/o noticing:) 08:26:26 <Darkvater> tokai: what about an svn revert? :) 08:26:31 <Fujitsu> Hha 08:27:10 <Celestar> Darkvater: peter1138: opinions on this?` 08:27:45 <Darkvater> I thought there already is an unmovable.h 08:27:52 <Darkvater> or was that only in tfc_newmap? 08:28:00 *** mode/#openttd [-o Darkvater] by Darkvater 08:28:10 <Celestar> vici@galadriel:[/home/vici/openttd/trunk]> svn st unmovable.h 08:28:11 <Celestar> vici@galadriel:[/home/vici/openttd/trunk]> 08:28:27 <Celestar> ls -al unmovable.h 08:28:27 <Celestar> ls: unmovable.h: No such file or directory 08:28:32 <Celestar> it seems not so 08:28:38 <Celestar> the I will create one now. 08:28:55 <peter1138> bah, i'll commit it now 08:29:02 <peter1138> someone else can do extensive testing ;) 08:29:08 <Celestar> peter1138: ^^ 08:29:34 <peter1138> it works -- i can't think of any cases where it wouldn't 08:29:37 <tokai> someone saved os_timer.h with windows linefeeds. ugly:) 08:30:01 <Celestar> yuck 08:30:30 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 08:30:32 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 08:30:34 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 08:32:09 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-182.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 08:32:27 <Darkvater> ay 08:32:31 <Darkvater> scheise 08:32:35 <Celestar> LOL 08:32:57 <Celestar> Darkvater: you gonna change that ? 08:34:21 <tokai> hehe.. funky.. had to delete my openttd.cfg, else openttd started without showing the title menu 08:34:54 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:35:09 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r4191 /trunk/os_timer.c: - Codechange: Properly set newlines and id for os_timer.c 08:35:13 <Darkvater> there 08:38:43 <tokai> :) 08:39:12 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r4192 /trunk/train_gui.c: - Fix: In the depot, moving wagons from the end of a very long train to a short train where the short train was scrolled off the window would cause a game crash. (Thanks to SimonRC for reporting.) 08:39:23 *** zen-- [n=zen@mindware.ee] has joined #openttd 08:39:31 <zen--> hi 08:39:42 <ThePizzaKing> hi zen-- 08:42:40 *** TrueLight [n=kvirc@truelight.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:43:05 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Don't worry, I'll be back tomorrow to annoy you then :)"] 08:43:39 <TrueLight> !mail bjarni I would like it if you put the STATIC_ZLIB_PATH back in the Makefile, because I for sure use it, and I am sure more people use it... else it is impossible to point to a zlib.a in a non-normal working dir.... libpng-config does it for png.a, sdl-config for sdl.a, but now zlib has nothing... :s 08:43:41 <jmp_ghli> >TrueLight> mail sent for Bjarni. 08:44:13 <Darkvater> yaay, hurray for the makefile mess :s 08:44:28 <TrueLight> KUDr: you should never make a branch out of 1 version, but keep the branch up to date with the trunk (your log message suggests the first) 08:44:56 <CIA-5> celestar * r4193 /trunk/ (unmovable_cmd.c unmovable_map.h): -Codechange: Add and make use of an accessor function to create company HQs 08:45:43 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a46afa.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:45:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:45:49 <Bjarni> hi people 08:45:56 <Celestar> where's Tron? 08:46:03 <Bjarni> not here 08:46:03 <Darkvater> you think Bjarni's read his mail? 08:46:10 <Celestar> I want him to have the honor to exterminate ModifyTile from the codebase \o/ 08:46:22 <Celestar> it is not referenced any more. 08:46:24 <Darkvater> honour 08:46:30 <peter1138> whose idea was modifytile... 08:46:41 <Bjarni> what should I have read? 08:46:43 <Bjarni> svn log? 08:46:44 <TrueLight> I am sure Bjarni read the mail :) 08:46:55 <Celestar> peter1138: not mine. 08:46:58 <Celestar> neither Tron's 08:47:00 <TrueLight> It should hit his mailserver by now 08:47:46 <KUDr_wrk> TrueLight: I plan to keep it in sync with trunk 08:52:01 <Bjarni> when I want to run a binary from a C app and read STDOUT, how do I do that? 08:52:19 <SpComb> proceeses! 08:52:37 <Bjarni> how do I do that? 08:52:37 <Celestar> fread? 08:52:41 * SpComb bash:es Bjarni 08:52:44 <Vornicus> popen 08:52:50 <Celestar> use "stdout" as stream? 08:53:08 <Vornicus> popen is a function. look it up. 08:53:13 <Celestar> ah 08:53:17 <Celestar> sorry Bjarni misread question 08:53:19 <Celestar> what Vornicus said 08:53:23 <Celestar> man 3 popen 08:53:34 <Bjarni> a string is good enough. Think of the app like some simple one like ls. It prints stuff to stdout and then quits 08:53:44 <Vornicus> Right. 08:53:57 <SpComb> ls is simple? 08:53:59 <Vornicus> popen gives you stdout as a stream 08:54:33 <Bjarni> well it's simple in the way that you call it and wait for it to quit while recording everything in stdout 08:55:07 <Vornicus> you call it and read from the thing it gives you like a file. 08:55:49 <Vornicus> FILE *popen(const char *command, const char *mode); 08:56:47 <Vornicus> sleep 08:59:22 <CIA-5> celestar * r4194 /trunk/ (economy.c economy.h unmovable.h unmovable_cmd.c): -Codechange: Renamed UpdatePlayerHouse to UpdateCompanyHQ because the rest of the code calls it Comapany HQ. Moved it to unmovable_cmd.c because CompanyHQ is an unmovable and has nothing to do with economy. 08:59:50 <Bjarni> so basically FILE is a string, so it's: string = ("ls", "r"); 08:59:55 <Bjarni> or did I miss something? 09:07:34 <Bjarni> didn't work as I had hoped 09:07:37 <Bjarni> new plan: 09:08:04 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r4195 /trunk/order_gui.c: - Codechange: Initialize order variables to avoid a compiler warning. These are unused anyway... (smells of r3476-7, but not the same) 09:08:17 <Bjarni> can I do something like system("app | stdin + string | new app")? 09:09:28 <CIA-5> celestar * r4196 /trunk/ (unmovable_cmd.c unmovable_map.h): -Codechange: Add and make use of an accessor that modifies the size of the Company HQ 09:10:19 <Bjarni> oh well. I think I will get everything else to work first 09:12:33 <Kjetil> kan you use pipe in | ? 09:12:36 <Kjetil> argh 09:12:44 <Kjetil> can you use pipe in system() ? 09:13:49 <Celestar> ok guys 09:13:55 <Celestar> I'm probably out for the rest of the day. 09:14:07 <Celestar> probably even till Monday morning 09:14:36 <peter1138> :( 09:14:45 <Celestar> might I might do some coding 09:15:09 *** MagicJohn [n=magical@host81-156-195-41.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:15:25 <Darkvater> Celestar: bye celestar :) 09:15:35 <Darkvater> hmm, doulbe-double 09:16:43 <Bjarni> <Kjetil> can you use pipe in system() ? <-- I don't know yet 09:17:27 * peter1138 ponders removing ModifyTile as tron's not around 09:19:23 <Celestar> peter1138: Tron will rip your lungs out if you don't let him do it :P 09:19:41 * Celestar goes getting some work done 09:20:04 <peter1138> muwhaha 09:20:08 <peter1138> he can revert it 09:20:11 <peter1138> and do it again ;) 09:20:16 <Celestar> lol 09:20:21 <peter1138> everyone can have a go 09:20:50 <Kjetil> haha 09:22:08 <Celestar> people, can we finally remove NEW_ROTATION from the code or are we going to pursue that idea? 09:22:23 <peter1138> eah 09:22:26 <peter1138> it's naff 09:22:47 <Darkvater> it shows vision! 09:22:47 <peter1138> (NEW?) heh 09:26:45 <peter1138> damn, this newgrf patch is now 84KB 09:26:52 <peter1138> (the C version, heh) 09:26:56 <Celestar> hehe 09:27:01 <Celestar> commit small chunks 09:27:15 <peter1138> not sure i can 09:27:23 <Prof_Frink> peter1138! newstations? 09:27:34 <peter1138> or if i do, i end up having to rewrite bits to achieve it 09:28:09 <Celestar> hm :( 09:28:31 <peter1138> i can do some though 09:28:31 <peter1138> hmm 09:28:51 <peter1138> the bits that touch other code 09:29:49 <peter1138> Prof_Frink: not yet 09:30:13 <Prof_Frink> What is in this uberpatch then? 09:31:33 *** Plnt [n=someone@goodspeed.vscht.cz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:31:54 <peter1138> the generalised resolver 09:32:07 <peter1138> which supports more stuff 09:32:14 <peter1138> and allows stuff to be added more easily 09:32:23 <peter1138> and will lead on to newsounds and newstations 09:35:29 <Darkvater> you guys got suddenly silent 09:35:49 <Darkvater> I take this means a large intake of breath due to peter's magnificient announcement? 09:35:57 <Darkvater> I would breathe though soon 09:37:10 * Prof_Frink has quit (Connection reset by asphyxiation) 09:37:54 <peter1138> newsounds needs advanced varadjusts that the current system doesn't support 09:38:26 <peter1138> well, it doesn't need it, but the sets use it to do calculations (mmm, lovely sick nfo stuff ;p) 09:38:56 <Fujitsu> newsounds would really improve the game :) 09:39:06 <peter1138> ukrs rocks with it 09:39:24 <Fujitsu> The current ones get very boring :( 09:40:01 <peter1138> i had a build with it a couple of months ago 09:49:49 <Celestar> go ahead, commit but don't break anything :PP 09:57:51 * Matt-W is interested by this 'generalised resolver' 09:58:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B77A9E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:59:27 <peter1138> Matt-W: generalised, but still for newgrf, heh 10:00:10 <Matt-W> yeah but it's a useful step, right? 10:01:14 <peter1138> yeah 10:03:21 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:04:24 <CIA-5> bjarni * r4197 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): reentered STATIC_ZLIB_PATH (removed in 4183) since it turned out that it's used after all 10:14:27 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r4198 /trunk/ (newgrf_engine.c newgrf_engine.h train_cmd.c): - NewGRF: Rename GetCallBackResult() to GetVehicleCallback(), as other types will exist later, and use separate parameters instead of bitshifting. 10:21:17 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B76E13.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:32:56 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176120067.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:40:48 *** Torrasque [n=jerome@84-74-150-246.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 10:44:35 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r4199 /trunk/smallmap_gui.c: - Codechange: Use industry map accessors to get industry graphics type. 10:45:05 <peter1138> i guess misc_gui.c will always have direct map accesses :) 10:45:56 <Fujitsu> :( 10:47:08 <CIA-5> celestar * r4200 /trunk/order_gui.c: -Codechange: Make use of water map accessors when getting the Index of a Ship Depot. TODO: Store the depot index in the map 10:47:11 <Rubidium> why? they are only in a small part, which you can move to a _map file 10:47:23 <peter1138> not worth it 10:47:34 <peter1138> Fujitsu: it's debug information showing a tile's contents... 10:48:15 <Celestar> peter1138: that stuff needs to be moved in tile.[ch] imho 10:48:33 <Rubidium> should be made done in an external function, so if the backend of the map changes, you only have to change the *_map.[ch] files 10:48:52 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:49:08 <Celestar> Rubidium: that's the plan. 10:49:15 <peter1138> hmm. true. 10:49:18 <Celestar> Rubidium: AfterLoadGame will probably be an exception. 10:49:31 <Celestar> peter1138: I just don't see no reason why we don't put that in tile.c 10:51:49 <Rubidium> you can also place that (mess) in load_map.c or so 10:52:00 <peter1138> load? 10:52:40 <Celestar> Rubidium: I'm for moving the old conversion stuff into special files, too. 10:52:48 <Rubidium> or savegame or whatever 10:53:23 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-182.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:53:36 <peter1138> we could have a table of version numbers and functions to call... but is that an improvement? heh 10:55:14 <Celestar> ok guys. 10:55:48 <Celestar> is it me or is ship_cmd.c:246 seriously flawed? 10:56:03 <Rubidium> peter1138 the PBS savegame stuff will be a problem I guess 10:58:00 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:21:54 <MiHaMiX> hmm 11:22:04 <MiHaMiX> new screenie: http://translator2.openttd.org/images/screenshots/screenshot_manage_6.png 11:22:55 <peter1138> Celestar: looks horrible 11:23:04 <peter1138> Rubidium: hmm, not really 11:23:27 <peter1138> we can limit the range, rather than just doing stuff after a revision 11:26:57 <peter1138> nice MiHaMiX 11:27:11 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: thanks 11:27:31 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: this time I created a screenshot without scrollbars :PP 11:27:57 <peter1138> hehe 11:30:22 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: dont think the '!' after select all, invert, etc. is really needed ;) 11:30:29 <Darkvater> or after Update 11:34:02 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: I knew that you'll have a really important proposal :DDD 11:34:13 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: anyhow, thanks :) 11:34:40 <Darkvater> well you asked 11:34:58 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: okay :) 11:35:03 <Darkvater> but it still looks great :D 11:36:01 <peter1138> Yeah, the plings look silly :) 11:37:45 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: ok, removed the exclamation marks (the screenies remained the same, before you complain about it! :-) 11:38:39 <peter1138> what's the dark triangle-thing? 11:40:08 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: dark triangle? you mean the thing at the side of the frame? 11:40:34 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: that's showing wihch function you're using 11:41:11 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: show cases, show plural hint, show genders, show missing strings, show broken strings, see pending strings in DB and see pending strings in Session 11:42:40 <peter1138> hmm 11:42:49 <Celestar> peter1138: what does look horrible? 11:42:57 <Celestar> ah! 11:43:02 <peter1138> the line :) 11:43:06 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: i see 11:43:10 <MiHaMiX> Celestar: [[12:56]] <Celestar> is it me or is ship_cmd.c:246 seriously flawed? 11:51:10 *** Jang- [n=Jango@mettab.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:54:36 <peter1138> svn diff 11:54:41 <peter1138> o_O 11:54:47 <Celestar> wrong :) 12:01:51 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Don't worry, I'll be back tomorrow to annoy you then :)"] 12:06:13 *** TrueLight is now known as TL|Away 12:08:28 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 12:10:29 <black_Nightmare> 'maximum station spread' .. thats like the number of station in an area or...is that platforms? 12:10:43 <peter1138> it's the maximum size of a station 12:11:08 <black_Nightmare> ty 12:11:50 <black_Nightmare> trying set some things for to start my own server with..should be fun 12:12:29 <black_Nightmare> peter..what the 'x size' and 'y size' do? not sure I can quite guess 12:15:08 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.22.230] has joined #openttd 12:15:19 *** ProfFrink [n=proffrin@cpc2-shep3-0-0-cust550.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:15:43 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc2-shep3-0-0-cust550.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["Clooooooooooones!"] 12:15:45 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 12:15:52 <black_Nightmare> hey frink 12:16:01 <peter1138> it changes the... x size, and the... y size 12:16:21 <black_Nightmare> peter....hmm like for what? *is trying understand* 12:16:26 <peter1138> 7 = 128, 8 = 256, 9 = 512, 10 = 1024 12:16:31 <peter1138> map size 12:16:42 <black_Nightmare> ohhhhh....hm jeeze 12:16:42 <black_Nightmare> ty 12:17:36 <black_Nightmare> 'nonuniform station' < applies to trying build platforms offset or at L angle from another one - did I guess that correct? 12:18:01 <peter1138> yeah 12:19:46 <black_Nightmare> does 'wagon speed limit' only work with addon gfr's .. not with the ttdx rolling stocks? 12:21:32 <Darkvater> yes 12:21:40 <black_Nightmare> thought so too 12:22:06 <Darkvater> that is becuase ttdx rolling stock has no wagons with such limits 12:22:14 <black_Nightmare> hmmmmm disasters........I have to wonder about a ufo landing on someone's tracks heheh :p 12:23:05 <black_Nightmare> darkvater...the speed limit would be eg someone makes two different passenger cars.. a branchline one that only works on small slow routes and an express one that could go behind faster trains right? 12:23:22 <black_Nightmare> I'm sure that on a forum I saw someone creating a full swizterland gfr's and there were several different passenger cars in it 12:23:26 <Fujitsu> Speaking of disasters, are UFOs meant to repeatedly land in the same spot every decade or so? 12:23:35 <black_Nightmare> fujitsu....they do? 12:23:42 <Fujitsu> They sometimes do for me. 12:23:58 <black_Nightmare> hmmm...I hadn't experienced ufo's that much at all so can't comment 12:24:06 <Matt-W> I don't see UFOs that often 12:24:15 <Matt-W> I can't say I'd noticed them landing in the same place when they do show up 12:24:25 <black_Nightmare> its funny trying to stop a train in middle of the ufo to "save" your tracks from damage by that damned usa military plane :-D 12:24:28 <Matt-W> I generally notice the black jets blowing up refineries instead 12:24:49 <black_Nightmare> lol matt-w..or worser: a coal mine explodes and takes out your road/rail 12:26:34 <black_Nightmare> had that happen to me poorly several times 12:26:59 <Matt-W> coal mines collapse, not explode 12:27:10 <Matt-W> hmm, although why don't they actually lower the land 12:27:14 * Matt-W senses a patch coming on 12:27:15 <black_Nightmare> sorry forgot the word for that 12:29:45 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 12:30:14 <black_Nightmare> any of you ever tried run two copies of openttd at same time? 12:31:18 <peter1138> ufos... heh 12:31:23 <peter1138> they do tend to land in the same places 12:31:30 <peter1138> it is random though 12:33:29 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:34:08 <Fujitsu> Streange. 12:34:11 *** Jang- [n=Jango@mettab.demon.co.uk] has quit ["Using KVIrc 3.0.1 'System Virtue'"] 12:34:25 <Fujitsu> Because I often have to rebuild the same pieces of track several times. 12:36:19 <peter1138> yeah 12:36:20 <peter1138> me too 12:41:14 <Fujitsu> 'night 12:42:59 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Bye all."] 12:43:00 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B81283.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:47:51 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:48:07 <black_Nightmare> hey glx 12:49:40 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B81283.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:52:07 <peter1138> hmm 12:52:27 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/enginfo.diff 12:52:54 <peter1138> does for _engine_info[] what we do for _*_vehicle_info[] 12:54:15 <SimonRC> Hmm 12:55:11 <SimonRC> Is there any facility for trains to keep track of which order they're executing when orders arae added to or removed from a list of (shared) orders? 12:55:12 <peter1138> (thereby enforcing constness) 12:55:31 * peter1138 hide 12:55:32 <peter1138> +s 12:55:37 <Celestar> peter1138: it is consistent... 12:55:51 <SimonRC> I have found a train that doesn't think any of its orders are its current order, and just goes back and forthe repeatedly, getting in the way. 12:55:58 <peter1138> hmm 12:56:44 <peter1138> Celestar: and is it correct? heh 12:57:27 <Celestar> it does seem so 12:57:30 <SimonRC> This has happened a few times before, and hitting "skip" once or twice would make the "current order" arrow re-appear back next to the first order in the list. 12:57:52 <Celestar> SimonRC: can you conjure a savegame? 12:57:59 <SimonRC> yup 12:58:35 <peter1138> sounds feasible 12:58:45 <peter1138> i've heard of vehicles being on "no order" before... 12:59:15 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B84671.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:59:47 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r4201 /trunk/ (engine.h players.c train_gui.c vehicle.c vehicle_gui.c): - Codechange: Do for _engine_info[] what we do for _*_vehicle_info[]; create and use a function to retrieve data, and ensure constness. 13:01:15 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B84671.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:03:51 <black_Nightmare> any of you know what is with when server_ip in the openttd console shows 0.0.0.0 ? 13:03:59 <peter1138> 0.0.0.0 = any 13:04:13 <black_Nightmare> yeah but how do I tell someone then? 13:04:19 <black_Nightmare> they don't seem to be able to find me in list at all 13:04:35 <black_Nightmare> and I checked server_advertise which is on 13:04:36 <glx> you need to tell your ip not 0.0.0.0 13:04:59 <black_Nightmare> glx...how would I do that? :-> 13:05:27 <SimonRC> okaay: check out train 21's order box: http://129.234.200.100/~sc/Freedingstone%20Transport,%207th%20Oct%201996.sav 13:05:40 <glx> black_Nightmare: how are you connected to internet? 13:06:06 <black_Nightmare> family pc >> some linksys router >> modem (my own pc is still not ready to run fulltime again yet) 13:07:05 <glx> do you have forwarded OTTD port in your router? 13:07:11 <SimonRC> Note that is has shared orders. Also I removed a depot that was on its orders list, without removing the order first. 13:07:15 <glx> s/do/have 13:08:55 <black_Nightmare> never bothered with the router much at all before..let me see..... 13:08:56 <SimonRC> Usually that doesn't create trouble, just an order marked "invalid order". 13:09:59 <black_Nightmare> hm ok 'applications & gaming' tab in the linksys router webpage ..... 13:10:27 <black_Nightmare> hm so what ports do openttd use? I'll try add it in 13:11:32 <peter1138> SimonRC: so are you our new bughunter? ;-) 13:11:45 <peter1138> black_Nightmare: 3979 13:11:53 <glx> UDP and TCP 13:11:55 <peter1138> both udp & tcp if you... 13:11:57 <peter1138> yeah 13:12:14 <black_Nightmare> ok...I've set it like this.... 13:12:41 <glx> maybe you need to restart the router 13:12:54 <black_Nightmare> name: openttd.exe / port range: start 3979 , end 3979 / protocol: both / enable: checked 13:15:47 <SimonRC> peter1138: I just seem to keep finding them 13:17:30 <black_Nightmare> hrm... server_ip still shows 0.0.0.0 after quitting and reloading it 13:17:55 <black_Nightmare> maybe I wasn't meant to start a server yet.....till I get my own pc online (my own router too) 13:18:10 <peter1138> black_Nightmare: server_ip being 0.0.0.0 is correct 13:18:23 <black_Nightmare> peter...so do I tell someone to type in that to find my server? :-S 13:18:33 <peter1138> you tell them your IP 13:18:49 <peter1138> or with your router sorted out, it may appear in the server list now 13:30:03 <SimonRC> AHA! 13:30:09 <SimonRC> more news on that bug 13:30:55 <SimonRC> AFAICT, there is something wrong with the orders lits shared by trains 18 - 21 13:31:41 *** Cheery [n=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:31:44 <Celestar> peter1138 will be happy to fix this, I have to deal with some retards in our administrations now :S 13:31:45 <peter1138> shared orders needs reworking 13:32:05 <SimonRC> Every time any of them finish ther last order on the list, the arrow disappears, and they head off to start oscillating between my first station and my first depot. 13:32:08 <Celestar> what DOESN'T need reworking? 13:32:10 <peter1138> :) 13:32:23 <peter1138> we should have orders as a separate entity from vehicles 13:32:27 <Celestar> SimonRC: that is suboptimal. 13:32:29 <peter1138> and then assign orders to vehicles 13:32:32 <SimonRC> Train 12 also seems to have the same problem, though its orders are not shared 13:32:42 <SimonRC> peter1138: yes 13:32:52 <SimonRC> I shall delet the shared orders 13:32:54 <Celestar> peter1138: we have that, have we not? 13:32:58 <SimonRC> then r-enter 13:33:20 <peter1138> not really, it's dependent on vehicles 13:33:21 <SimonRC> hmm 13:33:39 <peter1138> hmm, only problem with separating it is enforcing station/vehicle types 13:34:00 <Celestar> what is dependent on vehicles? 13:34:07 <peter1138> orders 13:34:24 <Darkvater> ? 13:34:24 <Celestar> I can't see how? 13:34:24 *** dac500 [n=chatzill@jackdaw.ohm.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:34:29 <Darkvater> towns can't have orders 13:34:35 *** dac500 [n=chatzill@jackdaw.ohm.york.ac.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 13:34:38 <SimonRC> Okaaaay, I click the "-- End of Shared Orders --", the click the Delete button, and I get a messagebox: "Can't delete this order." 13:34:53 <Celestar> you have truely fucked up orders. 13:34:56 <peter1138> heh, nice 13:35:04 <Darkvater> peter1138: elaborate 13:35:59 *** Scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:36:02 <peter1138> maybe when i've thought about it more ;) 13:36:07 <peter1138> need to finish something off :( 13:36:47 *** confluence [n=confluen@jackdaw.ohm.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:36:53 *** Scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:37:39 <SimonRC> This is all in that game I uploaded 13:38:28 <SimonRC> I will delete and re-create the entire trains in a couple of years, when I shut down the entire network for conversion to monorail. 13:38:47 *** forfriends [n=sasfe@c220-239-37-176.rivrw7.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:39:04 <forfriends> you know AI in multiplayer games? it's only possible to have the new ai which they can only use roads, right? even in the latest nightly builds? 13:39:43 <Darkvater> yes 13:40:08 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:40:22 <forfriends> okay, thanks 13:40:40 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 13:40:42 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@217.123.34.28] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:40:57 *** jnmbk_ [n=c18c0161@yossman.net] has joined #openttd 13:41:11 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181084040.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:41:31 <Darkvater> forfriends: there are no plans for the old AI to be MP compatible, and the new AI is not developed further in its current form atm 13:41:42 <jnmbk_> hi, I cant get the source by typing svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/ It can't find host... 13:41:52 * SimonRC wishes for a button that upgrades trains to monorail too. 13:41:53 <SimonRC> :-) 13:42:21 <Celestar> vici@galadriel:[/home/vici/openttd/trunk]> host svn.openttd.org 13:42:21 <Celestar> svn.openttd.org has address 81.171.98.110 13:42:36 <Celestar> you have a DNS problem 13:42:38 <Celestar> ? 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This the school's wireless anyway... 13:49:33 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@217.123.34.28] has joined #openttd 13:49:40 *** jnmbk_ [n=c18c0161@yossman.net] has left #openttd [] 13:50:39 <Matt-W> the AI is atrocious 13:51:05 <SimonRC> Is there a hard limit on the number of windows open, by any chance? 13:51:12 <SimonRC> I think I keep hitting it 13:51:27 * Matt-W notes that down as something else to fix in the new GUI 13:51:28 <CIA-5> KUDr * r4202 /branch/yapf/openttd_vs80.vcproj: -Fix: VC8 project - removed forgotten file refs 13:51:31 *** |Jeroen| [n=users@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:53:33 <peter1138> 8? 13:53:44 <peter1138> hmm, oh, it is 13:54:05 <peter1138> SimonRC: yes 13:54:34 <peter1138> VARDEF Window _windows[25]; 13:54:36 <peter1138> probably that 13:54:55 <confluence> Hi. I'm getting an assertion failure (IsBridgeRamp) on the latest nightly (r4180). 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what happened to 0.4.6? 14:56:48 <magnus_1986> I mean was there an 0.4.6? 14:56:53 <Prof_Frink> Yes 14:57:01 <Prof_Frink> For about a week 14:57:13 <Prof_Frink> "Release early, release often" ;) 15:01:21 *** confluence [n=confluen@jackdaw.ohm.york.ac.uk] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:01:42 *** confluence [n=confluen@jackdaw.ohm.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:02:17 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498D1C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 15:02:30 <magnus_1986> Prof_Frink thanks 15:03:23 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 15:04:26 <Belugas> Bjarni : you are spreading rumours about me :) 15:04:34 <Born_Acorn> As a random act of sillyness, I would like to inform you that keeping watches in your shoes is dangerous to your health. 15:04:51 <Born_Acorn> also, its bound to make your watches smell. 15:06:03 <Belugas> Well, then, hopefuly, your watches are waterproof, there's nothing a good hot bath can't clean as much as odours :) 15:06:16 <Belugas> shoes too, by the way hehehe 15:12:35 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E417.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:14:58 *** confluence [n=confluen@jackdaw.ohm.york.ac.uk] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 15:28:04 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 15:29:52 <orudge> Hmm, latest trunk doesn't build with mingw32 15:30:05 <orudge> win32.c: In function `CreateConsole': 15:30:05 <orudge> win32.c:1074: `intptr_t' undeclared (first use in this function 15:30:10 * orudge investigates and fixes 15:32:18 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc2-shep3-0-0-cust550.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:34:26 <CIA-5> orudge * r4203 /trunk/win32.c: - Fix compilation on mingw32 (stdint.h not included) 15:35:00 <glx> hmm I had no problem with this 15:35:54 <orudge> Hmm 15:35:58 <orudge> Well, I assume it won't hurt anyway 15:36:05 <orudge> It seems they like changing things 15:36:15 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B77F2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:36:47 <TL|Away> When will the language problems be fixed? 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16:14:24 <peter1138> TL|Away: when someone translates them... 16:14:27 *** Nijn [n=Morglum@a80-127-25-50.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:17:37 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|feeding 16:19:18 <CIA-5> orudge * r4207 /branch/0.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): - Fix: Update OS/2 on 0.4 branch, too 16:20:00 <CIA-5> orudge * r4208 /trunk/docs/Readme_OS2.txt: - Update OS/2 readme on trunk, sorry for all the commits! 16:23:00 <TL|Away> peter1138: so never, k, tnx 16:23:04 <tokai|noir> anyone has an idea which mimetype would fit for openttd save games? application/x-openttd ? 16:29:14 *** zen-- [n=zen@88-196-42-103-dsl.noe.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 16:29:19 <peter1138> TL|Away: i was going to do them, but others said i shouldn't... 16:30:33 <TL|Away> peter1138: 30 errors for each language 16:30:41 <TL|Away> it is just to idiotic 16:30:51 <TL|Away> and that it is there for a week, oaky, can happen 16:30:54 <peter1138> 30 for each? it's not that many... 16:30:56 <TL|Away> but they are here for almost 2 weeks now 16:31:05 <TL|Away> and not even 1 commit to fix ANY of them 16:31:08 <TL|Away> http://nightly.openttd.org/devs/error.log 16:31:10 <TL|Away> scroll down 16:31:11 <TL|Away> not that many?! 16:31:16 <peter1138> per language 16:31:27 <peter1138> le sigh 16:31:33 <peter1138> i already explained... 16:32:02 <orudge> Hm, right, that should be 0.4.7 for OS/2 ready 16:32:03 * orudge releases 16:32:20 <TL|Away> peter1138: it is just really bad how it currently is :) 16:32:32 <TL|Away> But okay 16:33:09 <TL|Away> peter1138: resetting the broken strings is even better then leaving them like this :p 16:33:24 <TL|Away> But if someone would ask around they will be translated in seconds I guess 16:34:03 <peter1138> i was going to, but was told it was wrong. i have asked around... and nobody appears to want to do even their own language 16:34:18 <TL|Away> why would it be wrong? :s 16:34:27 <TL|Away> but okay, that is my opinion :) I consider this more wrong :p 16:34:29 *** Xeryus|feeding is now known as XeryusTC 16:35:54 <TL|Away> peter1138: main problem, I wanted to install to let the nightly mail all problems every night.... but with this amount of problems 16:35:56 <TL|Away> I won't do that 16:37:20 <orudge> Well, that's all that up to date :) 16:37:28 <TL|Away> orudge: nice work :) 16:37:58 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r4209 /trunk/lang/ (22 files): Remove unused strings 16:38:41 <peter1138> maybe i should rename 885B and 885E 16:39:02 <peter1138> STR_885E_WEIGHT_T_POWER_HP_MAX_SPEED is pretty wrong now... 16:39:06 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B80D53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:39:11 * MiHaMiX is here 16:39:17 <TL|Away> thank you peter1138 16:39:19 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B77F2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:40:04 <MiHaMiX> about the translations issue I have the following proposal: 16:40:27 <MiHaMiX> removing the broken strings is a bad solution, since they could be easily fixed 16:40:48 <MiHaMiX> I can fix them if you want, though not perfectly 16:41:07 <MiHaMiX> but simply replacing {PARAM} to {WEIGHT} or whatever is pointless 16:41:33 <Bjarni> <Belugas> Bjarni : you are spreading rumours about me :) <-- I am? 16:41:36 <MiHaMiX> since It'll result strings with duplicated units in it, eg.: 100 t t of coal 16:42:03 <Bjarni> [16:56] <Prof_Frink> "Release early, release often" ;) 16:42:04 <Bjarni> [17:01] <-- confluence has quit (Excess Flood) 16:42:04 <Bjarni> heh 16:42:25 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: i was going to do that handrualically 16:42:37 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: ok, would be nice :) 16:42:45 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: since I'm quite busy with WT2 16:42:54 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: but I'll take care of the hungarian mods 16:43:08 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: since I already fixed a bunch of the hungarian strings during test 16:43:09 <Belugas> Bjarni : kind of :) I was not the one talking about a cache scheme involving newmap in order to help YAPF :) 16:43:20 <Belugas> I saw that too, but could not find the reference 16:43:29 <peter1138> i guess if i'm going to rename those two strings i should do it before they get translated 16:43:32 *** SailorOrion [n=jd@82.139.240.143] has joined #openttd 16:43:35 <SailorOrion> hi guys 16:43:42 <Noldo> hi 16:43:43 <peter1138> dunno if WT2 handles renamed strings 16:43:43 <MiHaMiX> SailorOrion: hi 16:43:47 <peter1138> Celestar: morning 16:43:51 <SimonRC> Is it worth converting a 4-platform terminus that is just slightly too busy to a 3-platform roro? 16:43:58 <SimonRC> (in city, not much space 16:43:59 <SimonRC> ) 16:44:04 <SailorOrion> peter1138: why morning? 16:44:09 <peter1138> why not? 16:44:10 <SailorOrion> aren't you in UK? :P 16:44:16 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: it certainly will, except for if you rename the string from 'STR_FOO_BAR' to 'STR_FOOBAR' 16:44:31 <peter1138> why except that? 16:44:56 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: sorry, I misunderstood you, you want to RENAME the strings? 16:45:07 <peter1138> i'm going from STR_885E_WEIGHT_T_POWER_HP_MAX_SPEED -> STR_TRAIN_WEIGHT_POWER_MAX_SPEED 16:45:19 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: ok, go ahead, no problem 16:45:40 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: it'll handle, but will lose the pending modifications for the later-to-be-removed strings 16:45:43 <SailorOrion> peter1138: dunno :P 16:45:55 <SailorOrion> tron didn't happen to appear? 16:46:16 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: not that many strings though, at around 10 which I fixed 16:46:27 <peter1138> hmm 16:46:42 <peter1138> SailorOrion: no 16:46:47 <SailorOrion> did anyone happen to have a look at the smallmap zoom diff? 16:46:57 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: are they ready to commit? 16:46:59 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B80D53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:48:00 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: no, far from that. they only exists in the webtranslator DB, so just go ahead :) No problem from my part :) 16:48:10 <MiHaMiX> strid | fromrev | torev | in_use 16:48:10 <MiHaMiX> -----------------------------------+---------+-------+-------- 16:48:10 <MiHaMiX> STR_02E5_DISTANCE_UNITS_SELECTION | 3223 | 4126 | f 16:48:10 <MiHaMiX> STR_02E3_DISTANCE_UNITS | 3223 | 4126 | f 16:48:12 <MiHaMiX> STR_013A_METRIC_KILOMETERS | 3223 | 4126 | f 16:48:15 <MiHaMiX> STR_0139_IMPERIAL_MILES | 3223 | 4126 | f 16:48:49 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: WT2 was long ahead you removing the unnecessary strings, it already marked these as no longer used :) 16:49:17 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B34316.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:09 <SailorOrion> ok 16:51:14 <SailorOrion> g2g battery down 16:51:22 <SailorOrion> catch you around 2200 16:51:37 <MiHaMiX> SailorOrion: bye 16:51:47 <MiHaMiX> ok, bbl, working on WT2 16:53:55 *** pittyplatsch [n=tokai@p54B808EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:55:01 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: yeah, no good if it hasn't committed though 16:55:08 <peter1138> until then, TL|Away moans at me ;) 16:55:13 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: :) 16:55:39 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: as I already said, just go away, no problem if you fix the broken strings 16:55:46 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: I'll thank you ;) 16:56:04 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: since you lift some weight from my shoulders :) 16:57:58 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B838E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:58:23 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B838E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:58:36 <peter1138> :-) 16:59:26 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7883B.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 17:01:41 <zen--> was it me or did the game hang after 2050 reached 17:01:42 <zen--> :) 17:02:13 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r4210 /trunk/lang/ (22 files): - Use new {WEIGHT} string tag for all cargo quantity strings. 17:09:33 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B80D53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:10:18 *** SailorOrion [n=jd@82.139.240.143] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:13:16 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B80D53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:13:48 <peter1138> when's the nightly these days? 8pm bst? 17:16:23 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 17:22:51 <MiHaMiX> 20:00 CEST 17:23:00 <peter1138> 7pm still 17:23:02 <peter1138> hmm 17:23:03 <MiHaMiX> Fri Mar 31 19:22:57 CEST 2006 17:23:18 *** pittyplatsch is now known as tokai 17:23:20 <peter1138> got 35 minutes 17:23:25 <MiHaMiX> exactly 17:24:44 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: did you missed the POWER tags? 17:25:07 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: or there are two more broken stirng: 17:25:14 <MiHaMiX> STR_PURCHASE_INFO_SPEED_POWER and STR_PURCHASE_INFO_WEIGHT_CWEIGHT 17:25:26 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: according to WT2 :) 17:25:58 <MiHaMiX> hmm 17:26:07 <MiHaMiX> ahh, later :) 17:26:26 <peter1138> not finished yet :) 17:26:48 <MiHaMiX> ok 17:27:05 <MiHaMiX> there are more, I was on the 2nd page of the bad strings 17:28:17 <peter1138> i'm doing them now 17:31:38 <MiHaMiX> ok 17:38:56 <peter1138> 90KB ;p 17:40:32 * SimonRC goes 17:40:38 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r4211 /trunk/ (25 files in 2 dirs): 17:40:38 <CIA-5> - Removed measuring units from the names of two strings. 17:40:38 <CIA-5> - Use {POWER} and {WEIGHT_S} tags for all strings instead of "{COMMA}units". 17:41:40 <peter1138> TL|Away: there are some warnings left, but i'm not going to add strings for languages i don't know :-) 17:44:16 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B808EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:44:21 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B808EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:45:13 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: congrat, you did a really good job! 17:46:12 <TL|Away> peter1138: we will see in 15 minutes :) 17:46:19 <TL|Away> but tnx for the fix, finally :) 17:46:19 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: ok, good job, no broken strings for hungarian afais :) 17:48:48 <peter1138> now i best go home before the missus complains... 17:49:00 <TL|Away> hehe 17:49:03 <TL|Away> you should :) 17:49:05 <TL|Away> I am out dancing :) 17:49:07 <TL|Away> bye! 17:49:51 <MiHaMiX> :) 17:50:01 <MiHaMiX> bye as well, will be back from home :) 17:52:58 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B808EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 17:53:34 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B808EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:02:16 <Celestar> back 18:02:57 <Celestar> Tron still didn't appear :( 18:03:13 <Celestar> Darkvater: peter1138: Bjarni: why should set up a roadmap 18:03:28 <Celestar> wanted features and estimated release dates for 0.5.0 18:09:37 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B75D72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:12:38 *** |Jeroen| [n=users@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:18:37 <MiHaMiX> evening :) 18:19:43 <MiHaMiX> nightly is fucked up or still compiling 18:20:58 <MiHaMiX> make[1]: Leaving directory `/ottd_farm/compile' 18:20:58 <MiHaMiX> make[1]: Entering directory `/ottd_farm/compile' 18:20:58 <MiHaMiX> make[2]: Entering directory `/ottd_farm/compile' 18:20:58 <MiHaMiX> Makefile:228: *** WITH_SDL can't be used when SDL-CONFIG is not set. Edit Makefile.config to correct this. Stop. 18:21:01 <MiHaMiX> make[2]: Leaving directory `/ottd_farm/compile' 18:21:04 <MiHaMiX> make[1]: *** [upgradeconf] Error 2 18:21:06 <MiHaMiX> make[1]: Leaving directory `/ottd_farm/compile' 18:21:14 <MiHaMiX> ok, so nightly is fucked up. All GUI versions. 18:21:36 <Celestar> er what? 18:22:06 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:22:08 <MiHaMiX> a make clean usually solves this problem 18:22:16 <MiHaMiX> today I also encountered this problem 18:22:23 <MiHaMiX> and a simple make clean solved it 18:22:46 <MiHaMiX> I thought it was a problem because of me, but it's turned it it's somewhat global problem 18:23:51 <Celestar> we need a new makefile methinks 18:24:21 <MiHaMiX> probably 18:24:58 <Celestar> hm .. 18:25:03 <Celestar> the smallmapzoom is nice 18:26:20 <Celestar> but I'll rewrite it. 18:26:26 <Celestar> I don't want it to use "double" 18:27:18 <MiHaMiX> :) 18:29:28 <peter1138> hmm 18:31:05 <peter1138> well at least the error log is smaller 18:31:08 *** Nijn [n=Morglum@a80-127-25-50.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit ["<Rom> cute and cuddly, boys, cute and cuddly"] 18:31:16 <Celestar> peter1138: any more map stuff in the working on your side? 18:33:34 <peter1138> only road ground type / roadworks 18:34:17 <Celestar> ok. 18:34:19 <Celestar> have that too. 18:34:27 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 18:34:30 <Celestar> whose version will we take (apart from the fact that they're nearly identical) 18:35:14 <RichK67> hi guys 18:35:21 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp15-49.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:35:21 <Belugas> Hello Celestar, hello RichK67 18:35:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B7671D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:36:03 * Vornicus wanders through the revision timeline. 18:36:12 <RichK67> ive created the graphics for the other runway orientation, so i can now create those long/thins in both directions :) 18:36:14 <Belugas> Celestar, If ever you want to know, I'm doing house construction/build stages 18:36:17 <CIA-5> celestar * r4212 /trunk/ (water_cmd.c water_map.h): -Codechange: Add and make use of an accessor that retrieves the type of a water tile. Add an enum describing the different water tiles 18:36:29 <Celestar> Belugas: I have them, didn't you read my diffs? 18:36:33 <Celestar> oh no 18:36:35 <Celestar> OI have them not 18:36:38 <Celestar> Belugas: great :) 18:36:40 <Belugas> you did lift... 18:36:51 <Belugas> :) 18:37:29 <RichK67> here is a quick test airport... http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=423843#423843 18:38:04 <Belugas> RichK67, by the way, you are not the oldest around, rest assure. I beat you by 2 years :) 18:38:10 <Celestar> peter1138, Darkvater, Belugas et al RFC: I want to get rid of HVOT_BUOY and replace it by FACIL_BUOY, or should we put it in the waypoint code right away? 18:38:37 <RichK67> LOL 18:38:48 <Celestar> RichK67: those are rather unrealistic airport layouts? 18:39:13 * Celestar is an aerospace engineer, and a commercial aviation nut. so be careful :) 18:39:36 <RichK67> lol - and so are aircraft flying through buildings to land at high airports... ;) 18:40:38 <RichK67> the 4c compact is not my favourite new design... i prefer the type 3, but opinion seems against it 18:42:39 <CIA-5> KUDr * r4213 /branch/yapf/ (56 files in 7 dirs): -Merge from trunk 4183..4211 18:43:06 <Belugas> RichK67 : the graphics are exactly what is needed. 18:43:30 <Belugas> but why not putting them in openttd.grf? 18:43:37 <RichK67> belugas: yup - opens up the design possibilities 18:43:48 <Celestar> we cannot put the graphics in openttd.grf 18:44:13 <RichK67> licence issue? 18:45:08 <Celestar> yes 18:46:17 <Belugas> Don't you mean trg1r.grf ? 18:46:25 <peter1138> Celestar: um, i buoys... they're stations, aren't they? 18:47:19 <RichK67> bbl 18:47:27 *** RichK67 is now known as RichK|away 18:47:41 <Celestar> peter1138: currenty yes. 18:47:53 <Belugas> but they act and are used as waypoints 18:48:00 <Celestar> peter1138: but they are identified as such by finding out whether HVOT_BUOY is set. 18:48:05 <peter1138> mmm 18:48:41 <peter1138> hmm 18:48:52 <peter1138> why does the osx_dedicated build complain about npf.c? 18:49:00 <peter1138> (and the others don't) 18:49:04 <peter1138> is it a different compiler? 18:50:25 <Celestar> hm 18:50:36 <Celestar> amy objections to committing my newslotter? 18:50:39 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 18:50:43 <peter1138> TL|Away: any chance of fixing the nightlies? 18:50:44 <peter1138> nope 18:51:28 <Celestar> peter1138: was that nope towards me? 18:51:32 <peter1138> yea 18:51:43 <Belugas> and another nope on my behalf :) 18:52:04 <Celestar> RichK|away: I really like the 3 new airport you did at first. 18:52:06 <Celestar> good. 18:52:12 <Celestar> I'll see what I can do in the next hour 18:52:17 <Celestar> just cleaning up stations a little 18:52:25 <Celestar> but I currently have an assert somewhere in trunk+ 18:53:53 <Celestar> elrail.c :S 18:54:22 <Celestar> something is freaky there 18:54:34 * Celestar scratches head. 18:56:32 <Celestar> (gdb) p GetTileType(t) 18:56:32 <Celestar> = MP_STREET 18:56:32 <Celestar> (gdb) p GetRoadType(t) 18:56:32 <Celestar> = ROAD_NORMAL 18:56:44 <Celestar> why would I draw catenary for such a tile? 18:56:56 <peter1138> RichK|away: "I would 100% agree with this feature if it was distance limited... ie, only "wait for stop" if occupied and vehicle is within 10 tiles of destination." 18:56:59 <peter1138> RichK|away: errr... it is... 18:57:22 <Celestar> RichK|away: yes. 16 tiles. 18:57:32 <Celestar> RichK|away: but newslotter doesn't need this anymore. 18:57:44 <peter1138> crap, conflicts 18:57:50 <peter1138> oh, yeah, i split bits off o_O 18:58:32 * Vornicus was very very impressed with the performance of the latest slotter remake 19:00:20 <Vornicus> It's now a lot more efficient, to the point where I need to sell trucks because they park fast enough that places with Full Load actually manage to fill up. 19:01:45 <Bjarni> regarding ethernet cables, how do I learn what the differences between UTP, STP and FTP are? I mean performance wise, I know how the cables look 19:02:00 <CIA-5> celestar * r4214 /trunk/elrail.c: -Fix: Do not try to obtain Trackbits for normal rails, bus stops, airports and other non-rail tiles 19:02:05 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=423621#423621 <-- HUH? 19:02:15 <Celestar> Bjarni: UTP, STP ... little difference. 19:02:20 <Celestar> FTP is afaik optical 19:02:21 <Darkvater> Bjarni: lol, ftp is a protocol 19:02:22 <Celestar> or not? 19:02:56 <Celestar> Darkvater: ?! 19:03:09 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> Bjarni: lol, ftp is a protocol <-- yeah, but the F also stands for foil when it is regarding ethernet 19:03:22 <Bjarni> it's some sort of foil shielding 19:03:30 <Darkvater> ah 19:03:58 <Celestar> Bjarni: the CATS are more important imho 19:04:29 <Naksu> CATS? 19:04:37 <Naksu> HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN !! 19:04:38 <Celestar> CAT5 == 100MBPs, CAT5e == Gigabit (I think shortened to 15m or something), CAT6 == Gigabit, CAT7 == 10Gig 19:04:46 <Bjarni> so CAT 6 UTP is better than CAT 5e STP? 19:04:48 <Vornicus> Celestar: 4214 makes elrail draw catenaries faster? 19:05:00 <Vornicus> or, not faster, but more properly? 19:05:01 <Naksu> ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US! 19:05:14 * Bjarni sets up Naksu the bomb 19:05:23 <Celestar> Vornicus: it makes the game not crash. 19:05:30 <Vornicus> ...ah 19:05:38 <Celestar> I have a serious elrail problem. 19:05:41 <Bjarni> that's also a nice improvement 19:05:45 <Naksu> Bjarni: i would think that what defines a category is mostly crosstalk 19:06:05 <Naksu> and having foil outside wont make the wires any less likely to bleed to other wires :) 19:06:05 <Celestar> when you convert a savegame while the AI is building monorail, you get half a monorail and half an elrail route :S 19:06:22 <Celestar> in CAT6 each pair is shielded individually 19:06:26 <Bjarni> I wonder how unshielded CAT 6 can be better than shielded CAT 5e 19:06:31 <Darkvater> Bjarni: looking at wikipedia I think STP is a protocol not a cable type. FTP which would just be foiled gives extra shielding so longer distances 19:06:57 <Naksu> Bjarni: in a noisy environment it wouldnt 19:06:58 <Celestar> STP == Shielded Twisted Pair afaik 19:06:58 <Darkvater> don't think you should take too much into this. CAT6 is basically just CAT5 + 4 more cables 19:07:05 <Celestar> Darkvater: nope 19:07:14 <Naksu> Darkvater: naw 19:07:15 <Celestar> CAT5 is 8 wires, CAT6 is 8 wires. 19:07:20 <Celestar> CAT7 is 8 wires. 19:07:26 <Darkvater> yes but some aren't used 19:07:37 <Celestar> Darkvater: 4,5,7,8 are not used. 19:07:37 <Naksu> Darkvater: depends on what's transported 19:07:45 <Naksu> Celestar: they are 19:07:47 <Celestar> at least on 100BaseT 19:07:53 <Darkvater> Naksu: no, if you are only 100mbit they are never used 19:07:55 <Celestar> (in 90% of installation) 19:08:15 <Darkvater> <-- out 19:08:19 *** Darkvater [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit ["leaving"] 19:08:36 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-16067.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:09:02 <Naksu> 100baseVG uses 4 pairs (8 wires) 19:09:13 <Celestar> Naksu: but it is rather uncommon 19:09:19 <Celestar> most 100BaseT 19:09:43 <Naksu> o rly? :) 19:10:23 <Naksu> iirc 100basevg ran was for cat3 or something 19:10:53 <Naksu> 100BaseVG is a 100 Mbit/s Ethernet standard specified to run over four pairs of category 3 UTP wires 19:10:54 <Bjarni> "the maximum allowed length of a Cat-6 horizontal cable is 90m" <-- I guess you can also make it go 90m vertically, so it's a funny way to write it ;) 19:10:58 <Naksu> wikipedia <3 19:10:59 <CIA-5> celestar * r4215 /trunk/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Renamed *RoadStation* functions to *RoadStop* and moved them to station_map.h to keep consistency 19:11:02 <Celestar> Bjarni: you cannot. 19:11:15 <Bjarni> why not? 19:11:24 <Celestar> Bjarni: you'll have problems with the electric potential difference in a typical building. 19:11:45 <Celestar> that's why many installation are fibre these days 19:11:58 <Vornicus> wait 19:12:07 <Bjarni> good point 19:12:13 <Vornicus> are you telling me that a vertical wire actually acts differently than a horizontal one? 19:12:38 <Naksu> Vornicus: yes 19:12:41 <Bjarni> yes 19:12:55 <Naksu> a twisted wire also acts differently than a straight wire 19:13:09 <Bjarni> it will build up statically electricity and make a voltage difference between each end when it's vertically 19:13:54 <Vornicus> insanity 19:14:05 <Naksu> indeed 19:14:20 <CIA-5> celestar * r4216 /trunk/elrail.c: -Fix: Fixed revision 4214, did a bad error there. Thanks MiHaMiX for pointing it out 19:14:50 <Celestar> Vornicus: BMW HQs here had some of these problems 19:14:56 <Bjarni> usually it's not an issue, but then again it's not normal to make a LAN that is 90m vertically 19:15:33 <Celestar> Vornicus: keep in mind that 100[0]BaseT operates with rather low a voltage differential 19:16:03 <Celestar> if you have a potential difference of, say, a Volt between floor 10 and floor 40, you might have trouble. 19:16:26 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B808EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:16:44 <Bjarni> a single volt is actually less that you can experience 19:17:05 <Bjarni> static electricity can build up to much higher voltage differences 19:17:27 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B808EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:18:08 <Bjarni> at certain weather conditions, you can get electric shocks just by touching stuff and discharge the electrical buildup, which have to be way more than a single volt for you to notice it 19:20:34 <Celestar> that's hopefully not the difference that ends up in your network backbone :) 19:21:23 <Celestar> ok what are we going to do with buoys? 19:26:17 <Belugas> For what my opinion is worth, I say buoys should be in waypoint code. 19:27:02 <Celestar> does anyone have savegames with a couple, or better, tons, of ships? 19:27:25 * Belugas checkc 19:27:26 <Vornicus> Celestar, that savegame I gave you with the hundred trucks also has four ships. 19:27:51 <Celestar> Vornicus: thanks 19:27:55 <Vornicus> but they don't have to move far. 19:28:11 <Vornicus> --indeed the whole map is only 64x128 19:28:17 * Belugas cannot... boss is calling meeting... bbr 19:28:28 <Bjarni> newsbreak: March was the coldest March in the past 19 months 19:28:47 <Bjarni> somehow I don't think the weather reporter should have said 19 months 19:29:06 <Bjarni> it means it was colder than last year and nothing more o_O 19:30:29 <Celestar> Vornicus: no problem. 19:30:35 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:30:38 <Celestar> I like that map. 19:30:41 <Celestar> nice work Vornicus 19:30:48 <blathijs> Bjarni: Don't mistake that for being the coldest March in the past 20 months, though 19:31:16 <Bjarni> heh 19:31:24 <Belugas> 42 ships, is it enough? 19:31:43 <hylje> very much so 19:34:45 *** Torrasque [n=jerome@90-198.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 19:38:29 *** RichK|away is now known as RichK 19:38:41 *** RichK is now known as Richk67 19:40:16 <Richk67> hi - back 19:41:14 *** Tiku- [i=saarinen@a81-197-2-231.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:41:20 <Richk67> celestar: so you prefer the first 2 narrow airports 19:41:49 <peter1138> Celestar: is r4214's log incorrect? 19:41:51 <peter1138> "normal rails" 19:42:22 <Vornicus> That map needs some help though. It was made with pbs originally, so it's got a lot of stuff that doesn't really work as combo signals. 19:42:40 <peter1138> is !GetRoadType(t) == ROAD_CROSSING the same as GetRoadType(t) != ROAD_CROSSING? (brain frazzled) 19:42:58 <peter1138> oh, you changed it :) 19:43:09 <Vornicus> Only if GetRoadType(t) produces a boolean. 19:43:30 <Vornicus> and ROAD_CROSSING is also a boolean 19:43:34 <peter1138> well, i'm supposed to be going out, but i'm knackered :( 19:43:51 <Celestar> Richk67: the very first ones in the entire post. 19:43:53 <Celestar> the intercont one. 19:44:03 <Richk67> celestar: i have a savegame with 21 ships 19:44:09 <Celestar> Richk67: nice :) 19:44:15 <Vornicus> otherwise, ROAD_CROSSING == 2 and GetRoadType(t) == 1 makes the first one false and the second one true 19:44:18 <Richk67> do you want? pm? 19:44:33 <Celestar> Belugas: send again please. 19:44:48 <Celestar> peter1138: I've changed it .. 19:45:03 <peter1138> Celestar: yeah, i shouldn't read changes in sequence o_O 19:45:40 <Celestar> peter1138: the first one was very very wrong 19:45:42 <Celestar> :) 19:45:46 <Richk67> celestar: the 3 original airports - commuter, intercontinental, helidepot are ready for commit to trunk (IMO).... i'd love to get them in... seeing as its my birthday Sunday (RichK is getting desperate to have something in trunk ;) ) 19:46:20 <Richk67> TerraGenesis Perlin is also ready. SpeedSigns is close too 19:46:49 <Celestar> Richk67: if you have diffs, send them now. 19:47:00 <Celestar> Richk67: I will be offline in 1 hour for at least 48 hours 19:47:04 <Celestar> peter1138: diff to read 19:47:10 <Richk67> all are online in the forums 19:47:27 <Celestar> BAH forums :P 19:47:46 <Celestar> Richk67: gimme link 19:48:06 <Richk67> TGPerlin: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=405297#405297 3airports: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=413944#413944 19:48:16 <Celestar> thanks 19:48:27 <peter1138> what're coast tracks? 19:48:45 <Celestar> peter1138: if you have a tile with tileh 1, 2, 4, 8, ships can use that tile 19:48:51 <Richk67> SpeedSigns: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=421275#421275 19:49:08 <peter1138> hmm 19:49:27 <peter1138> so the 32, 4, etc... are... track bits? 19:49:35 <Celestar> yes. 19:49:54 <Richk67> SpeedSigns IMO needs to wait until the new pathfinder is in place & stable (code wise), and then i'll update 19:49:59 <Celestar> ok 19:50:08 <peter1138> yapf? 19:50:26 <Celestar> Richk67: I MIGHT have time to read stuff over the weekend. 19:50:57 <Celestar> Richk67: but I can't make any promises. work on my end :( 19:50:58 <Richk67> thanks Celestar. personal preference is TGP first, 3 airports 19:51:04 <Celestar> Richk67: so noted. 19:51:23 <Celestar> peter1138: I've only moved the stuff. 19:51:40 <Celestar> peter1138: I see no reason to declare a global variable that is referenced in one function. 19:51:51 <peter1138> heh 19:52:07 <peter1138> i was just trying to understand it :) 19:52:09 <Vornicus> use static! 19:52:22 <Celestar> Vornicus: even then, variable can be local .. 19:52:25 <Vornicus> right 19:52:30 <Vornicus> a local static variable. 19:53:05 <Celestar> const static even :) 19:53:48 <Vornicus> that might be going a bit far. 19:54:26 <Celestar> peter1138: I'm replacing the decimal stuff by hex stuff in coast_tracks as well. 19:54:31 <Celestar> Vornicus: why? 19:54:34 <Celestar> it IS const. 19:54:36 <Celestar> just data. 19:55:25 <Celestar> Richk67: how well tested are the airports? 19:55:56 <TL|Away> ggrrr, me slaps Bjarni so hard... we should stop making changes to the fucking Makefile 19:55:59 <TL|Away> it sucks so badly 19:56:01 <Celestar> Richk67: and how did you manage that TERM7 can be NOT right after TERM6 ? 19:56:03 <TL|Away> I hate it I hate it I hate it 19:56:08 <Celestar> TL|Away: we need a new makefile. 19:56:11 <TL|Away> I should switch to the configure ASAP 19:56:24 <Vornicus> idunno. It just seems to me that if something is const it should be visible to more stuff anyway. 19:56:27 <TL|Away> but I need to tweak that a bit more.... 19:56:45 <Richk67> celestar - i added a cross-reference table, and can place TERM7,8,9,10 wherever i want :) 19:56:48 *** Scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:56:52 <Celestar> Richk67: nice 19:57:59 <Richk67> airports *heavily* tested.... ive thrown 40+ concordes at the international, and then watched for 30 years on high speed .... wow does it handle nicely. there were some early bugs, but theyve gone now... id say its 99%+ 19:58:33 <TL|Away> Changing 20 Makefile.config files............. 19:59:07 <Richk67> the biggest limitation on the airports is only having 31 blocks available... its so easy to use them once you get more than about 10 loading positions 20:00:31 <Celestar> Richk67: I've tried to extend it to 63.. 20:00:41 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["kthxbye"] 20:00:41 <TL|Away> nightly is building 20:00:47 <TL|Away> expect broken log-messages 20:00:48 <peter1138> \o/ 20:01:16 <Celestar> Richk67: it worked. 20:01:18 <Richk67> yeah, i tried too... it got nasty, and beyond my limited C coding experience 20:01:23 <Celestar> Richk67: but there might be portability issues. 20:01:43 <Celestar> Richk67: just make a64 bit enum, but some MSVC seem not to understand that. :S 20:02:06 <Richk67> yeah, that was the problem i came across - it would change the saves, and old games would not be able to load ... users just wouldnt accept that 20:02:36 <Celestar> there is a portable way. 20:02:51 <Celestar> don't enum the whole value 1 << FOO, but only the shifting value. 20:02:55 <Celestar> FOO 20:02:58 <Richk67> current 31 limit is ok, up to size of intercontinental... i wont be developing bigger ones myself 20:02:59 <Celestar> and shift in the code. 20:03:05 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACD6E755.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:04:14 <Celestar> because my intercont had 42 states or so. 20:04:22 <Richk67> see... there you've lost me ;) well, nearly, but i dont think its a big issue, and it will be "cured" when I rewrite airports to be newgrfs as per dalestan's design 20:04:31 <Celestar> ^^ 20:04:44 <Celestar> does TTDP have larger airport meanwhile? 20:04:57 <Richk67> lol - we are waaaaaaaaay ahead... :) 20:05:14 <DaleStan> Or something that vaguely resembles my design, at least. 20:05:17 <hylje> is dynamically built airport not viable? :x 20:05:23 <Celestar> hylje: difficult. 20:05:25 <DaleStan> And TTDP does not, unfortunately. 20:05:32 <Richk67> hylje... very very difficult 20:05:43 <TL|Away> peter1138: much better with this amount of language errors :) 4 per language, for 5 languages, tnx a lot :) 20:06:06 <Belugas> Celestar, sending again 20:06:10 <Belugas> sorry for dealy 20:06:19 <Celestar> no worries 20:06:32 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B34316.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 20:08:03 <Richk67> celestar: id say the 3airports patch is the least dangerous... actual code changes are minimal. its mostly extra FTA data 20:08:16 <Celestar> Richk67: yes I'm reading through it. 20:08:26 <Vornicus> He lost all his friends / he didn't need his friends / he lived with his mother and repeated himself 20:08:38 <Celestar> Vornicus: ? 20:08:44 <TL|Away> In file included from landscape.c:18: 20:08:44 <TL|Away> water_map.h: In function `GetWaterTileType': 20:08:44 <TL|Away> water_map.h:34: warning: control reaches end of non-void function 20:08:45 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.22.230] has quit ["Sleep 'n' all that [Time wasted online: 7hrs 53mins 51secs]"] 20:08:47 <TL|Away> nice ;) 20:08:52 <Celestar> BAH 20:09:00 <Vornicus> Meet James Ensor, Belgium's famous painter! Dig him up and shake his hand, appreciate the man! 20:09:10 <hylje> while dynamic airports would make for cool and functional outfits, the aircraft mechanics might not like varying runway lengths as it is now -- pathing in ground is also a problem? 20:09:11 <TL|Away> I have no idea why only gcc 2.95.3 shows it, but okay 20:09:14 <Celestar> TL|Away: yes. it ends with an assert(0); 20:09:27 <TL|Away> Celestar: which we use a lot, which is bad in general 20:09:30 * Eddi|zuHause2 thinks Vornicus smoked something... 20:09:32 <TL|Away> exit(0) after it is better 20:09:37 <TL|Away> Celestar: assert(0) ONLY works for debug builds 20:09:43 <TL|Away> when you now are in normal build, it continues 20:09:46 <TL|Away> which you don't want 20:09:49 <Vornicus> (They Might Be Giants - Meet James Ensor) 20:09:55 <Celestar> TL|Away: modify it :P 20:09:59 <TL|Away> Celestar: I refuse 20:10:03 <Richk67> hylje - ground pathing is the ultimate nightmare... so easy to have conflicts 20:10:13 <hylje> as i guessed 20:10:15 <TL|Away> I will not, I shall not and I won't change 1 bit on C code in OpenTTD anymore :p 20:10:29 <Celestar> ^^ 20:11:02 <DaleStan> <TL|Away> exit(0) after it is better <-- exit(0)? Shouldn't that be a non-zero, to indicate failure? 20:11:04 <TL|Away> Celestar: btw, we have a mcro for that, something like NOT_REACHED()? :) 20:11:14 <TL|Away> DaleStan: if you like, I don't care :p 20:11:24 *** syf [i=syf@n28z20l218.broadband.ctm.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:12:12 <Celestar> TL|Away: yes 20:12:52 <Celestar> but NOT_REACHED will warn also. 20:13:11 <TL|Away> if it is made correctly, it shouldn't 20:13:14 <TL|Away> I believe we use that all the time 20:13:17 <TL|Away> But I dunno 20:13:21 <TL|Away> haven't worked with the code for a long time 20:13:37 <Celestar> ok guys. needa go 20:13:38 <TL|Away> but this is just bad :) Don't depend on assert(), remember yourself always that the code should work without it too :) 20:13:41 <TL|Away> Bye Celestar :) 20:13:44 <Celestar> cu Monday. 20:13:49 <TL|Away> long weekend? ;) 20:13:52 <Celestar> yeah 20:13:54 <Celestar> seminar 20:13:56 <Celestar> 2 days 20:13:58 <TL|Away> enjoy :) 20:14:00 <TL|Away> nightlies done 20:14:01 <Celestar> I will :) 20:14:05 <Richk67> cu celestar... shall i pester bjarni?? :) 20:14:07 <TL|Away> all showed succeess, with warnings 20:15:16 <TL|Away> Sorry for all the nightly servers 20:15:20 <TL|Away> revisions will be wrong 20:15:27 <TL|Away> blame... someone for that :p 20:16:34 <peter1138> bjarni :P 20:16:45 <TL|Away> peter1138: I don't like to point fingers, but yeah :p 20:16:47 <TL|Away> he bumped the version 20:16:55 *** Qball [n=qball@ipd50a4125.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:16:59 <TL|Away> and strangely enough, it doesn't take over the values inside a Makefile.config, while updatin 20:17:00 <TL|Away> g 20:17:08 <TL|Away> no, it starts to redetect everything 20:17:12 <TL|Away> like you never told him what was where 20:17:16 <TL|Away> like a blind fool 20:17:26 <TL|Away> for that, configures are made, to smoothen that process 20:17:28 <TL|Away> but okay :p 20:17:30 <TL|Away> enough wining :) 20:17:31 <TL|Away> bye all! 20:18:00 *** DarkSSH [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:18:03 *** mode/#openttd [+o DarkSSH] by ChanServ 20:18:07 <DarkSSH> what's going on with the makefile? 20:18:08 <DarkSSH> tfarago@Arrakis:~/openttd> ./configure 20:18:08 <DarkSSH> touch Makefile.config 20:18:08 <peter1138> by TL|Away 20:18:09 <DarkSSH> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/tfarago/openttd' 20:18:11 <DarkSSH> Makefile:228: *** WITH_SDL can't be used when SDL-CONFIG is not set. Edit Makefile.config to correct this. Stop. 20:18:15 <peter1138> heh 20:18:20 *** DarkSSH is now known as Darkvater 20:18:26 <Bjarni> check Makefile.config 20:18:30 <Darkvater> very, very VERY annoying 20:18:34 <TL|Away> clearly the nightly wasn't a local problem :) 20:18:51 <TL|Away> sdl-config is no longer auto-detected, how nice.... 20:18:52 <Bjarni> somehow WITH_SDL is set while SDL-CONFIG is not 20:18:53 <Darkvater> what do you mean check? I just deleted it to get it properly 20:19:00 <TL|Away> I suggest:rm -rf Makefile makefiledir 20:19:01 <TL|Away> :p 20:19:10 <Bjarni> :p 20:19:23 <TL|Away> and start the whole think from the ground up 20:19:27 <TL|Away> in a normal, ordered, way 20:19:27 <Bjarni> SDL-CONFIG is not autodetected? 20:19:31 <peter1138> what is makefiledir anyway 20:19:34 <peter1138> it smells of bjarni 20:19:35 <hylje> rm -rf /etc/ 20:19:40 <TL|Away> but okay, I was leaving 20:19:50 <peter1138> (it uses "have" instead of "has") 20:20:11 *** Sacro [i=Ben@adsl-213-249-234-140.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:20:16 <Darkvater> I think someone broke configure 20:20:29 <peter1138> oh, that's TL|Away's work ;p 20:20:37 <Sacro> i never broke anything 20:20:51 <peter1138> ./configure doesn't work for me 20:21:14 <Sacro> was there a configure script? 20:22:25 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181084040.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [] 20:24:07 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176113006.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:24:11 *** Torrasque [n=jerome@90-198.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 20:24:36 <peter1138> bah, vim fucks up on the syntax highlighting in Makefile:228 + 234 20:25:21 <Celestar> peter1138: yes, because the ' might need to be escaped anyway 20:26:11 <Celestar> but ok I'm gone 20:26:12 <Celestar> :P 20:27:08 <Darkvater> actually 20:27:13 <Darkvater> tfarago@Arrakis:~/openttd> make upgradeconf 20:27:13 <Darkvater> touch Makefile.config 20:27:13 <Darkvater> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/tfarago/openttd' 20:27:13 <Darkvater> Makefile:228: *** WITH_SDL can't be used when SDL-CONFIG is not set. Edit Makefile.config to correct this. Stop. 20:27:17 <Darkvater> this is broken 20:27:54 * Darkvater will shoot someone for coming up with this makefile crap 20:28:32 <hylje> o 20:29:08 * DjViper hides 20:29:35 * hylje marks Darkvater with a laser painter 20:29:54 * hylje moves the point to DjViper 20:30:01 <DjViper> pwned 20:30:37 <hylje> i actually blame slow connection n retarded tabcomplete 20:30:43 <Bjarni> something is really weird. I get the same error with libpng. First it is set, then it deletes it and makes the error 20:31:22 *** mowl [n=sk@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11"] 20:31:54 <Richk67> bbs 20:31:57 *** Richk67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 20:36:52 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176120067.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:39:50 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACD6E755.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 20:40:06 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit ["Odletam do paralelniho vesmiru..."] 20:45:19 * Vornicus fiddles with stuff, trying to get his control scheme thingy to work. 20:46:45 * Sacro ponders abuot life 20:47:23 <hylje> sacro,42, now get back to work 20:47:32 <Sacro> work? 20:47:45 <hylje> :> 20:47:52 <Sacro> not done that in a while 20:50:18 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 20:52:16 *** zen-- [n=zen@88-196-42-103-dsl.noe.estpak.ee] has quit [] 20:55:36 *** DarkSSH [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:55:37 *** mode/#openttd [+o DarkSSH] by ChanServ 20:55:41 <DarkSSH> bleh 20:55:45 *** DarkSSH is now known as Darkvater 20:55:52 *** mode/#openttd [-o Darkvater] by Darkvater 20:56:24 <peter1138> hmm? 20:57:07 <Darkvater> makefile 20:57:07 <KUDr> Darkvater sets mode: -o Darkvater <-- why you are so agressive? 20:57:26 <peter1138> yeah, it's sucking 20:57:49 <Darkvater> KUDr: it's misleading 20:58:14 <Darkvater> ok, then no with-iconv 20:58:16 <Darkvater> screw it 20:59:05 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:01:03 *** Tiku- [i=saarinen@a81-197-2-231.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["[ #community.fi ]"] 21:01:45 <Kalpa> Hinterwälder hexengeist 21:01:52 <peter1138> uh 21:02:26 <peter1138> is it ime 21:02:26 <Kalpa> Hinterwälder = Rear woodlands, but hexengeist? witch something... what? :) 21:02:31 <peter1138> or is SDL-CONFIG a bad name 21:02:38 <peter1138> i just s/SDL-CONFIG/SDL_CONFIG/g 21:02:47 <peter1138> & for LIBPNG-CONFIG -> LIBPNG_CONFIG 21:02:51 <peter1138> and now i don't get these errors 21:03:16 <peter1138> (vim highlighting doesn't show SDL-CONFIG as a proper var name) 21:03:57 <Darkvater> hmm 21:04:04 <peter1138> i think that may be it 21:04:33 <Bjarni> yeah, found the error in the makefile 21:04:50 <Darkvater> gogo fix it :) 21:04:51 <Bjarni> somehow it don't like the char "-" in varnames 21:04:57 <Darkvater> doesn't 21:05:06 <Bjarni> I'm currently testing my fix 21:05:20 <peter1138> your fix? i said it first :P 21:05:22 <Bjarni> basically replacing - with _ 21:05:25 <peter1138> yeah 21:05:25 <Sacro> gtg, bbl maybe 21:05:26 *** Sacro [i=Ben@adsl-213-249-234-140.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Sacro has no reason"] 21:05:28 <Darkvater> peter1138's 21:05:33 <peter1138> SDL-CONFIG certainly can't be exported 21:06:02 <peter1138> echo $LIBPNG-CONFIG 21:06:02 <peter1138> -CONFIG 21:06:03 <peter1138> heh 21:06:40 *** Cheery [n=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:06:46 <Darkvater> what is ETA? 21:06:57 <peter1138> estimated time of arrivla... 21:06:59 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r4217 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Replace SDL-CONFIG and LIBPNG-CONFIG with SDL_CONFIG and LIBPNG_CONFIG 21:07:01 <peter1138> err, arrival 21:07:10 <peter1138> now see if that works for you :P 21:07:13 <Darkvater> yaay 21:07:55 <peter1138> now, how did it ever work? 21:08:30 <Darkvater> *magic* 21:08:43 <Bjarni> peter1138: we hit commit at the same time :p 21:09:01 <Bjarni> so I wondered why it failed when nobody committed 21:09:23 <Bjarni> I mean, I didn't see CIA or an email 21:10:41 <Bjarni> <peter1138> now, how did it ever work? <-- simple. It can handle it in a var name, but make runs the makefile twice (first run is some sort of check and var setup) and it transfers the vars from the first run to the second, except if it contains - 21:10:53 *** Nubi|Away [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:11:06 <Bjarni> due to a bug it set the var during both runs or read it twice from Makefile.config 21:11:13 <Bjarni> I fixed that bug and then we got the problem 21:11:26 <Bjarni> (that bug also resulted in other problems) 21:12:03 <Bjarni> Darkvater: actually now I think my iconv detector is good enough. It just triggered this bug 21:12:08 <Bjarni> somehow 21:12:39 <peter1138> any other fixes? 21:13:03 <peter1138> heh, 10 commits just from me today 21:13:30 <peter1138> 31 in total 21:13:32 <peter1138> o_O 21:13:40 <Bjarni> the original problem was whenever we had a new makefile version, it detected all flags, overwriting the custom ones the user had set 21:13:46 <peter1138> and no tron to remove ModifyTile 21:13:51 <Bjarni> very bad for the compiler farm 21:13:55 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r4218 /trunk/os_timer.c: - Codechange: Try to make the rdtsc() not present warning message a bit more clear 21:14:02 <Bjarni> I fixed that, but then we got this problem instead 21:14:22 <Bjarni> now both issues should be fixed :) 21:15:00 <Kjetil> hm.. when was 0.4.7 released ? 21:15:26 <Bjarni> during last release party 21:15:33 <peter1138> months ago 21:15:33 <Bjarni> download it from SF and check the date 21:15:50 <Bjarni> another question: do configure work for you? 21:16:03 <peter1138> it does now 21:16:05 <Vornicus> dammit I remember figuring this out once. 21:16:21 <Bjarni> $ ./configure 21:16:22 <Bjarni> touch Makefile.config 21:16:22 <Bjarni> touch Makefile.config 21:16:22 <Bjarni> make[1]: `Makefile.config' is up to date. 21:16:25 <Bjarni> that's what I get 21:16:27 <Bjarni> o_O 21:16:29 <Darkvater> Bjarni: 21:16:44 <Darkvater> #if defined(__APPLE__) && (MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED >= MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_3) 21:16:47 <Darkvater> is this the same as 21:16:51 <Darkvater> ifdef OSX 21:16:51 <Darkvater> ifndef JAGUAR 21:16:52 <Darkvater> ? 21:17:10 <peter1138> Bjarni: well, ok, it doesn't error 21:17:23 <peter1138> i don't know what it's supposed to do, but it enters and leaves the current directory a couple of times... 21:18:01 <Bjarni> yeah, since OTTD fails on 10.1, and os/macosx/Makefile.setup sets JAGUAR if target is 10.2 before the lines you just pasted from the makefile 21:18:17 <Darkvater> ok 21:18:27 <Darkvater> $(WITH_ICONV) = 1 21:18:32 <Darkvater> can I do this in the makefile 21:18:38 <Darkvater> and then check a few lines lower with 21:18:42 <Darkvater> ifdef WITH_ICONV? 21:19:03 <Bjarni> $(VAR) writes the content of VAR 21:19:09 <Darkvater> so that is correct? 21:19:10 <peter1138> --with/--without appears to work 21:19:10 <Bjarni> if you assign something to it, write VAR= 21:19:16 <Bjarni> not $(VAR) 21:19:24 <Darkvater> ok, and it'll be defined, right? 21:19:36 <Bjarni> if VAR contains A, then it will execute A=1 21:19:39 <Bjarni> I think 21:19:49 <Darkvater> hmm, how to check... 21:19:56 <Bjarni> you should write: 21:20:01 <Bjarni> WITH_ICONV=1 21:20:06 <Bjarni> ifdef WITH_ICONV 21:20:14 <Bjarni> you assigned 1 to it, so it's defined 21:20:18 <Darkvater> ok :) 21:20:35 <Bjarni> it's defined if it is different from WITH_ICONV= (nothing) 21:20:47 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:20:54 <Bjarni> so you can put version tags or whatever in it and it's still defined 21:21:00 <Darkvater> got ya :) 21:21:26 <Bjarni> SDL_CONFIG actually uses your SDL version, not 1, but since it's only used by ifdef, then it doesn't matter 21:21:53 <peter1138> mmm 21:21:58 <Bjarni> err, not SDL_CONFIG, but WITH_SDL 21:22:00 <peter1138> hence it works 21:22:04 <peter1138> yeah 21:22:16 * peter1138 installs png dev stuff 21:22:19 <Bjarni> SDL_CONFIG contains sdl-config, sdl11-config or a custom one entered by the user 21:22:33 <Born_Acorn> peter1138: MSPaint? 21:22:35 <Born_Acorn> :p 21:22:42 <peter1138> libpng12-dev :P 21:22:43 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r4219 /trunk/ (Makefile configure makefiledir/Makefile.config_writer unix.c): 21:22:43 <CIA-5> - Add support for WITH_ICONV. It is enabled by default for OSX > 10.3 for all 21:22:43 <CIA-5> others set it with WITH_ICONV in Makefile.config or with --with-iconv with 21:22:43 <CIA-5> configure. --with-config=/somedir will search for iconv include files somewhere 21:22:44 <CIA-5> (or in Makefile.config with WITH_ICONV_PATH). Custom library loading is not 21:22:44 <Darkvater> there 21:22:46 <CIA-5> (yet) supported 21:23:39 <Darkvater> + iconv is disabled by default for all targets (except the above mentioned osx) 21:26:10 <Bjarni> +# iconv is enabled defaultly on OSX > 10.3 <-- it's actually >= 21:26:16 * Darkvater hopes he won't get shot for doing these changes :) 21:26:16 <Bjarni> it was added in 10.3 21:26:43 <Darkvater> ./configure --with-iconv=/myweirddir/include :) 21:27:07 <Darkvater> Bjarni: he, you're right 21:27:15 <Darkvater> shall I change the commit message? 21:27:42 <Bjarni> I was actually more thinking about the comment in Makefile 21:28:00 <Bjarni> *thinking more 21:34:04 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r4220 /trunk/Makefile: - Fix (r4219): of course iconv is enabled on >= 10.3 not >; fixed comment (thanks Bjarni) 21:34:08 <Darkvater> voila 21:34:41 * peter1138 converts smallmap_zoom to ints 21:34:59 <Darkvater> I think TL|Away'll probably have a word with me for abusing with-iconv for path as well, but I think it's more transparent and used-to for users 21:34:59 <Bjarni> heh, I saw CIA-5 highlighting me and then at first I wondered "hey, I didn't commit anything right now" 21:35:03 <Bjarni> :) 21:35:03 <Darkvater> hurray for peter1138 21:35:31 * Bjarni tries to make a 10.2.8 build 21:35:39 <Bjarni> just verifying that it still can 21:35:43 * Darkvater crosses fingers 21:35:44 <Bjarni> just in case 21:35:46 <Darkvater> but it should work 21:35:55 <peter1138> zoom_ist & zoom_soll 21:36:00 <peter1138> what's ist & soll? heh 21:36:08 <peter1138> i'm guess now and last, or something 21:36:14 <Bjarni> a quick look didn't find anything wrong, but you never know 21:36:31 <peter1138> i'm also removing the patch option 21:36:38 <peter1138> as that's pretty pointless for a gui facility 21:36:49 <Darkvater> yeah 21:37:36 <Bjarni> OSX 10.2.8 is not our top priority 21:37:46 <Bjarni> so far 8 people downloaded the 0.4.7 binary for it 21:38:00 <Darkvater> it is strange though that OSX is so incompatible between versions 21:38:05 <Bjarni> 12 people downloaded the 10.3 build and 220 downloaded the 10.4 build 21:38:09 <Darkvater> windows does a much, much better job at this 21:38:22 <peter1138> also excessive bracing 21:38:29 <Bjarni> actually the 10.3 thing is something where I screwed up :p 21:38:52 <Darkvater> Bjarni: try and beat windows :P 21:39:10 <Bjarni> I can't 21:39:11 <Darkvater> 3667 + 1307 21:39:26 <Darkvater> that is 4974 21:39:27 <Bjarni> not even if I try to do it on purpose, I can't make as many bugs as windows got 21:39:28 <Darkvater> I think 21:39:36 <Darkvater> now downloads silly 21:39:39 <Darkvater> -w 21:39:41 <Bjarni> specially if you add those that are fixed by now 21:40:41 <Bjarni> the thing with incompatible OSX versions is that 10.3 got a lot of new stuff (like iconv and ldopen), which means either software do not support it anymore or it got a special build 21:41:02 <Darkvater> http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.php?group_id=103924&ugn=openttd&mode=alltime&&type=prdownload 21:41:06 <Darkvater> check the downloads :) 21:41:22 <Bjarni> 10.3.9 and 10.4 can more or less run the same stuff, except if you like me actually force a binary to be 10.4 or newer 21:41:44 <Darkvater> in February alone there have been 37.000 downloads of OpenTTD from SourceForge 21:42:24 <Vornicus> ottd is getting popular... 21:42:28 <Bjarni> and a little more than 200 Gb data downloaded 21:42:54 <Bjarni> Vornicus: we still got far to go to reenter top 10 :/ 21:43:03 <Belugas> Darkvater, Bjarni, peter1138 : Any comments on http://openttd.belugasmasques.org/HouseStages.diff? 21:43:09 <Vornicus> but I'm confused. 21:43:26 <Belugas> Celestar too, but I think you're gone :) 21:43:34 <Bjarni> Belugas: let's try without the ?, shall we ;) 21:43:40 <Vornicus> we saw a 50% increase in downloads, but a 600% increase in bandwidth? 21:43:53 <Bjarni> more scenarios 21:43:54 <Belugas> :)----> http://openttd.belugasmasques.org/HouseStages.diff <---- 21:44:05 <Vornicus> ohhhhh 21:44:09 <Vornicus> yes, that would do it. 21:44:10 <Darkvater> Belugas: NOT uint16 index 21:44:12 <Darkvater> TownID 21:44:28 <Belugas> ok 21:44:31 <Darkvater> dammit 21:44:37 * Darkvater has remembered he has withdrawn 21:44:44 <peter1138> noo 21:44:48 <Vornicus> hey stupid question. 21:45:01 <Vornicus> How many distinct terrain types are there for flat ground? 21:45:05 <Darkvater> Belugas: you should sync with Celestar though. He was doing this stuff during the day, showing me some diffs 21:45:28 <Darkvater> - t->flags12 |= oneof; 21:45:29 <Darkvater> + SETBITS(t->flags12,oneof); 21:45:32 <Belugas> I have those with me too, Darkvater :) 21:45:33 <Darkvater> this is kinda useless 21:46:00 <Darkvater> - t->flags12 |= 1; 21:46:00 <Darkvater> + // If we were not already growing 21:46:00 <Darkvater> + SETBITS(t->flags12,1); 21:46:04 <Vornicus> (f'rinstance, there's grass and shrubbery and rocks and desert and...) 21:46:10 <Darkvater> same here. perhaps SETBIT(t->flags12, 0); ? 21:46:18 <Darkvater> Vornicus: farm, snow 21:46:28 <Darkvater> bare land, half-bare land 21:46:31 <Bjarni> http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/OpenTTD.shtml <-- I didn't know that site. I just found it by searching for OpenTTD + mac 21:46:31 <Darkvater> half-desert 21:46:43 <Darkvater> - t->flags12 &= ~1; 21:46:44 <Darkvater> + CLRBITS(t->flags12,1); 21:46:49 <Darkvater> CLRBIT(..,0) 21:47:38 * Vornicus fiddles 21:47:39 <Belugas> ok 21:47:41 <Darkvater> +#endif /* TOWN_MAP_H */ 21:47:42 <Darkvater> \ No newline at end of file 21:47:52 <Belugas> ok 21:48:05 <Belugas> and thanks 21:48:34 <Darkvater> perhaps moving the enum in town_cmd.c to town_map.h? 21:48:46 <Belugas> You preffer to have clear bit manipulation instead of macros? 21:48:56 <Darkvater> the buildingstate and town_growth, and prefix it by...hmm TOWN_ to make ie clear 21:49:30 <Darkvater> Belugas: clearly the t->flags12 is playing around with bit 0, so use SET/CLR-BIT for that 21:49:37 <Darkvater> - t->flags12 |= oneof; 21:49:38 <Darkvater> + SETBITS(t->flags12,oneof); 21:49:48 <Darkvater> in this case I don't think a macro is necessary 21:49:58 <Darkvater> he, now to do some serious work 21:50:01 <Darkvater> J A V A 21:50:22 * Vornicus tries to describe better what he's looking for. 21:50:52 <Vornicus> How many different tiles are there for flat ground that aren't buildings, roads, rails, etc? 21:51:40 <glx> including treess? 21:51:43 <glx> -s 21:51:55 <Vornicus> no trees, either. 21:52:31 <Darkvater> http://svn.openttd.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/trunk/docs/tileh.png 21:53:18 <Darkvater> (19) and multiply that by rocks, desert, half-desert, snow, half-snow, quarter-snow, temparate, arctic 21:53:27 <Darkvater> dirt 21:53:37 <Vornicus> nmh 21:53:41 <Vornicus> Okay, I misdescribed. 21:53:59 <Darkvater> look here http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Graphics_Replacement 21:54:03 <Bjarni> any Polish people in here? 21:54:14 <Bjarni> where is MeusH when you need him? 21:54:18 <Darkvater> no not there 21:54:18 <peter1138> hehe 21:54:45 <Darkvater> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Ground_Terrain_(New_Graphics) 21:54:45 <Darkvater> here 21:55:11 <Vornicus> Yeah! that's what I'm looking for! 21:55:13 <Darkvater> I miss egladil's commits today 21:55:26 <Darkvater> that good-for-nothing-bum :P 21:55:36 <Bjarni> I found a Polish macworld and I think they talk bad about OpenTTD o_O 21:55:45 <egladil> why, thank you very much :) 21:55:47 <Bjarni> but I'm not really sure 21:55:59 <Darkvater> oh, and he suddenly turns up 21:56:13 <Darkvater> what a coincidence, wouldn't you say so Eg? 21:56:29 <Vornicus> okay. 36. 21:56:40 <egladil> indeed. what a coincident 21:56:48 <Noldo> hmm, there is no licence information woth the graphics files 21:56:53 <Fujitsu> :O 21:57:42 <Darkvater> egladil: looking at that wiki page reminded me how long a time ago I've seen those in action :D 21:58:37 <Bjarni> Fanpage von Chris Owen gibt außer Tipps zum Spiel auch Hinweise auf Bezugsquellen. <--- Chris Owen :D 21:58:55 <Darkvater> I am wondering; is it possible to use the existing newgrf system to load these graphics? I am not necessarily talking about putting them in .grf files, but keeping the same (unreadable) nfo format 21:58:55 <Fujitsu> Hahhaa Chris Owen... Nice. 21:59:14 <Darkvater> which is then preprocessed by an xml > grf so openttd doesn't need another parser to open files 21:59:17 <Bjarni> orudge: did you see this one? 21:59:34 <Darkvater> everyone can then do their parameter stuff in xml which then just converts this to nfo 21:59:41 <Darkvater> or am I too world-strange/ 21:59:44 <egladil> that would most likely be possible 21:59:50 <Bjarni> orudge: according to online sources, you are named "Chris Owen" :P 22:00:07 <egladil> not sure if it the easiest or best way to do it, but certainly possible 22:00:32 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B808EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Don't give me logic, give me emotions!"] 22:00:48 <egladil> and was what you saw something like this: http://emil.djupfeldt.se/ottd/32bpp/screenshots/arctic.png ? 22:01:12 <Darkvater> egladil: ws thinking cause everything is already there, and especially if you use compatible grf actions there is no extra work needed at all 22:01:16 <Darkvater> well; barely in any case 22:01:38 <Darkvater> egladil: hmm, I haven't seen thisone before 22:01:53 <Darkvater> sweet *D 22:02:02 <Fujitsu> The differences in ground shading are more subtle, aren't they? 22:02:08 <Vornicus> egladil: I like it; but the dang thing needs gridlines. 22:02:19 <egladil> yeah, it does 22:03:01 <Fujitsu> Have a GRF w/ and w/o gridlines, as usual, or have the graphics system put them in? 22:03:44 <Bjarni> egladil: the toolbar.... it looks... alien 22:03:50 <Bjarni> totally wrong 22:04:00 <Bjarni> like it's another game 22:04:08 <egladil> don't blame me. alltaken wanted me to test his new graphics, so i did 22:04:11 <Noldo> oh, TTRS on publicdomain stuff, that's really nice 22:05:07 <Bjarni> yeah, we are #4 on macforge.net (out of 508 projects) 22:06:46 <Darkvater> http://emil.djupfeldt.se/ottd/32bpp/screenshots/arctic-zoomout.png <-- here's your grid :) 22:07:17 <egladil> that grid is actually a glitch... 22:07:45 <Darkvater> Bjarni: wtf 22:07:46 <Darkvater> 1. Stellarium - Stellarium renders 3D photo-realistic skies in real time with OpenGL. It displays stars, constellations, planets, nebulas and others things like ground, landscape, atmophere, etc. 22:07:55 <Darkvater> how is this even a game??? 22:08:26 <Noldo> Darkvater: it's recreational computing 22:08:51 <Fujitsu> That landscape looks so nice..... 22:11:34 <Bjarni> how should I know? 22:12:14 <Bjarni> I didn't make that site, I just found it through google 22:12:33 <Darkvater> just saying 22:12:37 <peter1138> integer smallmap works 22:12:39 <Darkvater> essentially we're #3 22:12:42 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B76621.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:12:48 <peter1138> it's a bit fussy with navigation 22:13:01 <Darkvater> peter1138: the integers? 22:13:03 <peter1138> and it could do with fixing zoom sizes to ^2 22:13:10 <Bjarni> beating games like widelands and that BZ tank game 22:13:18 <Darkvater> scare them saying you'll turn them into double's if they don't listen 22:13:24 <peter1138> hehe 22:13:40 * Vornicus fiddles. suddenly needs dozens of 64x64 textures. :P 22:18:11 <egladil> well, now i'm going to get some sleep 22:18:22 <Eddi|zuHause> [31.03. 23:36] <peter1138> what's ist & soll? heh <- 'ist' = 'is', 'soll' = 'should be' 22:18:35 <egladil> maybe i'll make a commit tomorrow just to make Darkvater happy 22:18:40 <egladil> good night 22:18:49 <peter1138> Darkvater: http://195.112.37.102/ottd/int_zoom.diff 22:19:02 <peter1138> it needs some love, care and attention 22:19:12 <peter1138> but i'm going to be mean and nasty to it by going to sleep 22:19:19 <Darkvater> gn egladil :) 22:19:56 <Darkvater> peter1138: do we love the fixed-order in the lang files or rather use a static table? 22:20:14 <peter1138> eh? 22:20:22 <Darkvater> +############ range for smallmap-specific start 22:20:23 <Darkvater> ... 22:20:25 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, i figured it out in the end 22:20:26 <Darkvater> or instead 22:20:38 <Darkvater> static const StringID smallmap_strings[] = {} 22:20:59 <Darkvater> could we use sprite-identifiers in _smallmap_widgets instead of the magic numbers? 22:21:32 <peter1138> langs seems to work as it is 22:21:38 <peter1138> sprite ids, yes 22:21:54 <peter1138> but... i'm knackered... sleep! 22:22:07 <Darkvater> I think the xc*zoom/100 thingies can be moved out of the second if 22:22:15 <Darkvater> saves calculating them doubly 22:23:06 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 22:23:13 <Belugas_Gone> bye all 22:23:27 <Darkvater> but you're right, it is sleepy-time :) 22:23:30 <Darkvater> cheers 22:23:31 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has quit ["leaving"] 22:28:27 *** Angst [n=Angst@p549472EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["n8"] 22:31:46 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:35:25 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B75D72.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:35:33 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 22:35:55 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 22:39:39 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:39:48 *** Sacro [i=Ben@adsl-213-249-234-140.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:42:24 <Sacro> anyone home? 22:42:48 <Eddi|zuHause> no ;) 22:43:04 <Born_Acorn> If we were, would we be speaking like this? 22:43:16 <Eddi|zuHause> even if my nick would suggest otherwise :p 22:43:30 * ThePizzaKing is home 22:43:44 <ThePizzaKing> wait, April Fools day today 22:44:45 <Bjarni> Sacro: we are not here 22:45:22 <Bjarni> we actually decided to stop developing the game any further and close this channel 22:45:47 <ThePizzaKing> well, if nothing's going to happen here, I may as well leave 22:45:50 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd ["Don't worry, I'll be back tomorrow to annoy you then :)"] 22:45:58 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:46:01 <Bjarni> April's fool 22:46:04 <Bjarni> I got you :p 22:46:10 <ThePizzaKing> oh :( 22:46:16 <ThePizzaKing> that was funny though 22:46:31 <ThePizzaKing> good one Bjarni 22:46:42 <Eddi|zuHause> cool... first aprils fool at 0:45 ;) 22:46:53 <Bjarni> Happy birthday Apple 22:47:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Apple is an aprils fools joke? 22:47:18 <Bjarni> or technically it's an anniversary 22:47:41 <Bjarni> actually they had a great kick out of starting a computer company on April's fool day 22:48:05 <Eddi|zuHause> they fooled damn many people till now ;) 22:49:13 <Bjarni> if you go to Apple's site and download the newest video of revealing of new hardware, it will be mentioned that they thought it was really funny in the 70's to found a company on April's fool day 22:49:57 <Born_Acorn> What is happening for April Fools this year? Last year Darkvaters "no more windows support" just made everyone very angry. 22:50:20 <Bjarni> it's a secret 22:50:45 <Born_Acorn> "0.5.0 released! 32bpp, new map array and all!" 22:51:01 <Bjarni> hmm 22:51:05 <Bjarni> good one 22:51:25 <Bjarni> except now you mentioned it in the channel 22:51:33 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: isnt that scheduled for 0.7.0? 22:51:43 <Sacro> Bjarni: yeah but im sure you'll fool bobingabout 22:51:47 <Born_Acorn> Yes, but all the smart people wouldn't believe it anyway 22:51:55 <Born_Acorn> and all the smart people are here 22:52:01 <Born_Acorn> Add some fake screenshots from to touch it off, and say Sourceforge has updated the files yet. tada 22:52:16 <Born_Acorn> Sacro, yes, but nothing ever goes to plan! 22:52:37 <Born_Acorn> Sods law states that it will all be finished by 2.0! 22:56:44 <Sacro> well just do some nice mockups 22:58:04 *** sk [n=sk@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 22:58:04 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, if you increase the version number by 2^(-n) each time, you get _everything_ done by version 2.0 ;) 23:05:19 <Sacro> yup 23:06:15 <Bjarni> lol, I just read an article (sponsored by MS?) that told about how a mac was hacked in 30 minutes. The goal was to delete all files, but in reality all they did was to alter some stuff to the apache server... also the test fails to tell that the hackers had access to accounts on the computer 23:06:41 <Bjarni> Sacro: give me an account on your computer so I can log in remotely and then we will test if your system is secure 23:06:54 <Bjarni> give me 30 minutes to find a file to screw up 23:06:58 <Bjarni> I think I can do it 23:06:59 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [i=Q@p54A7C4CF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["http://mir.ist-langweilig.de/oh_man.jpg/"] 23:07:13 <Vornicus> give me thirty minutes in a room alone with any comptuer and I'll delete all the files on it. 23:07:28 <Bjarni> yeah, something like that 23:07:32 <Vornicus> Granted, there won't be much computer left, either. 23:07:43 <Vornicus> ...could use a Louisville Slugger, too. 23:07:48 <Bjarni> the same test, but without accounts resulted in nothing after 36 hours and they gave up 23:08:53 <Sacro> Vlr 23:09:00 <Sacro> Vornicus: its easy - magnet 23:09:11 <Bjarni> do it remotely 23:09:21 <Sacro> Bjarni: its a windoze XP box 23:09:31 <Bjarni> Sacro: makes it even easier 23:10:06 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B75CA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:11:36 <Sacro> whoo, an invisible house 23:15:26 <Bjarni> hehe, Apple added a file to Intel OSX 23:15:30 <Bjarni> /System/Library/Extensions/Dont Steal Mac OS X.kext 23:15:41 <Bjarni> containing 23:15:42 <Bjarni> _name 23:15:42 <Bjarni> Dont Steal Mac OS X 23:15:42 <Bjarni> [...]Copyright (c) 2006 Apple Computer, Inc. All rights reserved. 23:16:03 <Sacro> nice and polite of them 23:16:56 <Bjarni> I don't have it 23:17:04 <Bjarni> as I got the PPC version 23:17:28 <Fujitsu> Hahah 23:17:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> drugs are bad, m-kay? 23:17:44 <Bjarni> somehow I guess people already knew that they didn't do the right thing when they started to mess around the OS to install it on unsupported hardware 23:26:17 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit ["En KLAP.. de klaptop is dicht..."] 23:26:26 <Sacro> yeah, thats true 23:26:29 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 23:27:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B76621.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:46:28 <tank> hey, i assume 99% of all linux-users are using an OS on unsupported hardware:) 23:48:03 <CIA-5> KUDr * r4221 /branch/yapf/os_timer.c: -Merge from trunk 4183..4212 (resolved forgotten conflict) 23:48:06 <Sacro> possibly 23:48:19 <Sacro> darn. 1am. should be in bed by now 23:51:40 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACD6E755.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 23:51:53 <Sacro> night all 23:52:12 <ThePizzaKing> night Sacro 23:52:45 <Sacro> night ThePizzaKing 23:52:59 *** Sacro [i=Ben@adsl-213-249-234-140.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:57:32 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 23:57:55 <Bjarni> Only 0.8% of the voters admitted they have no idea what an OS is. We wish them good luck in the quest of operating the computer, regardless of its type. 23:58:25 <DjViper> lol 23:58:29 <CIA-5> KUDr * r4222 /branch/yapf/openttd.dsp: -Fix: resolved LIBC.lib conflict (VC6) 23:59:25 <Bjarni> Yesterday we closed the Softpedia News poll in which we asked our users to express their preferences regarding OSs. We have to admit that the results were a little bit surprising. 23:59:25 <Bjarni> Although we would have expected Windows to be the indisputable leader, Microsoft's OS had a difficult time "winning" the competition, and Apple's operating system was only 3% behind it. 23:59:31 <Bjarni> this is rather interesting 23:59:58 <Bjarni> it's so far from the market shares, so something else have to be the reason