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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 01:41:03 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 01:53:21 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 02:01:05 *** Oktal [n=mat@87.102.18.82] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:23:26 *** _Red is now known as Red 02:34:43 *** ernie__ [n=ernie@c161023.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #openttd 02:37:11 *** ernie_ [n=ernie@c198018.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:43:28 <CIA-3> belugas * r4902 /trunk/ (10 files): 02:43:28 <CIA-3> Newgrf : Introduction of the newgrf_cargo files. 02:43:28 <CIA-3> Clearing engine and newgrf_engine from cargo related structures. 02:43:28 <CIA-3> Apart from moving stuff cargo related, there is nothing really newcargo for now. 02:51:10 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has quit [Client Quit] 02:52:09 <CIA-3> belugas * r4903 /trunk/newgrf_cargo.c: CodeChange : forgot the Id tag. 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:-S"] 06:29:52 *** blathijs [n=matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 06:30:11 <MiHaMiX> morning 06:30:46 <MiHaMiX> blathijs: what's your problem with irssi? :) 06:31:03 *** PandaMojo [n=panda@66-146-188-50.skyriver.net] has quit [] 06:33:58 <blathijs> MiHaMiX: It refused to resize with my window 06:34:03 <blathijs> and stuck to 80x25 06:34:09 <blathijs> but it's fixed now 06:34:21 <blathijs> (could have been a screen issue, though) 06:35:31 <MiHaMiX> blathijs: well, use screen -Dx to get your screen back 06:35:59 <blathijs> MiHaMiX: well, I could attach the screen just fine 06:36:02 <MiHaMiX> blathijs: this way it always using the maximal size 06:36:19 <MiHaMiX> blathijs: okay :) 06:36:19 <blathijs> it just put irssi up top left at 80x25 06:36:31 <MiHaMiX> ahh 06:36:36 <MiHaMiX> that's different 06:43:13 <SpComb> do you have it open in two places? 06:43:30 <SpComb> with -Dr or such it shouldn't... 06:43:34 <blathijs> nope, I always attach with -dr 06:43:44 <blathijs> also, in that case C-A F should fix it 06:44:00 <blathijs> or C-Z (suspend irssi, forcing a resize) 06:52:43 <MiHaMiX> I always attach to screen with -Dx 06:53:27 <hylje> i always attach it one place at a time 06:53:37 <hylje> i never use more than one device at a time anyway 06:54:30 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181085217.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 06:56:30 *** Rubidium_ [n=rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:57:46 *** Rubidium_ [n=rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 06:58:41 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181085217.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:01:11 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181085217.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Client Quit] 07:01:57 *** Rubidium_ is now known as Rubidium 07:03:39 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:10:00 <blathijs> hylje: I usually have one left attached at home, or sometimes some stale ssh connection lingers around 07:11:02 <peter1138> well that could cause your problem 07:23:14 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B372D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:25:12 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a4161f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:25:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 07:32:04 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:40:12 <Bjarni> Tobin: I see that you get to go to the big house 07:40:30 <Tobin> Eh? 07:41:05 <Bjarni> according to the news, some guy named Tobin have to go to jail for 10 months for fraught in an US election in 2002 07:41:19 <Tobin> Meh, wasn't me. 07:41:20 <Bjarni> I don't know of any Tobin besides you 07:41:31 <Tobin> I didn't even register to vote. :( 07:41:45 <Bjarni> are you an idiot? 07:41:57 <Tobin> For that matter I don't know what state I'd register in. 07:42:21 <Bjarni> !whatis idiot 07:42:24 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Idiot \Id"i*ot\ (d"*t), n. 1. A man in private station, as distinguished from one holding a public office. |St. Austin affirmed that the plain places of Scripture are sufficient to all laics, and all idiots or private persons.--Jer. Taylor. | 2. An unlearned, ignorant, or simple person, as distinguished from the educated; an ignoramus. |Christ was received of idiots, of the vulgar people, and of the simpler sort, while he was 07:42:27 <Tobin> No, but I didn't sort out all my U.S. paperwork until about six months ago. 07:42:35 <Tobin> Bah. 07:42:47 <Tobin> Did you get iChat working, btw? 07:42:51 <Bjarni> no 07:43:03 <Bjarni> jmp_ghli failed to tell the origin of the word idiot 07:43:23 <Bjarni> it's from ancient Greek and mean somebody, who don't care for politics 07:44:22 <Tobin> I care for politics but you've got no idea how much friggin around it is to register to vote when it's been years since you've lived in the U.S. 07:45:01 * Tobin didn't have his U.S. passport until the end of last year 07:45:10 <Bjarni> I know they registered a dog as a voter in California 07:45:17 <Tobin> Really? 07:45:32 <Bjarni> they didn't check anything 07:46:03 *** guru3 is now known as your_mothers 07:46:12 *** your_mothers is now known as guru3 07:46:19 <Tobin> Well that's California, I'm definitely not eligible to vote there. 07:46:21 <hylje> :< 07:49:18 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 07:49:21 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:49:45 *** WolfLaptop [n=wolf@213.196.14.254] has joined #openttd 07:50:03 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1380.lns1-c9.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:15:35 <CIA-3> celestar * r4904 /branch/bridge/tunnelbridge_cmd.c: [bridge] Re-allow construction of bridges over signal tiles. 08:22:03 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #openttd 08:22:36 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498CC72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:24:56 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@145.74.203.188] has joined #openttd 08:55:48 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 08:57:34 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 09:01:25 *** DjViper- [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 09:01:53 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:02:45 *** DjViper- is now known as DjViper 09:05:49 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-528571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 09:22:40 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a81-197-121-141.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:36:37 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 09:49:18 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:50:19 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498CC72.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:52:11 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B83474.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:53:32 <Mizipzor> is there an easy way to quickly upgrade all trains of one type to another type when it becomes avaliable? 09:57:00 <hylje> replace vehicles ? 09:57:23 *** CmdKewin [n=cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has joined #openTTD 09:57:41 <Mizipzor> oh... there! now i found the button :P thanks! 10:00:37 *** Charles_Montomer [n=bornacor@ACBCE476.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 10:02:03 <Bjarni> ... 10:02:19 <Bjarni> it appears that it takes longer to find the button than it took me to code it 10:02:41 <Bjarni> and it took like a year before all bugs had been fixed 10:03:18 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B83474.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:06:49 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B80572.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:13:54 *** DjViper- [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 10:15:21 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:15:54 *** DjViper- is now known as DjViper 10:17:24 <peter1138> hmm 10:17:30 <Mizipzor> peter1138, what? 10:17:30 <peter1138> our wiki is b0rked 10:18:18 <peter1138> our "Development Main-Page" comes up as a discussion 10:18:36 <peter1138> and clicking on "article" takes me to "Manual:Main-Page" 10:18:42 <peter1138> that's got to be wrong 10:20:36 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:21:56 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-135-74.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 10:23:52 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: ping? 10:30:38 <Mizipzor> reliability says how likely a train is to not break, right? 10:31:55 <Tobin> Yes. 10:32:03 <Tobin> I.e. how reliable it is. 10:33:17 <Mizipzor> so these new diesel trains i got with a max reliability of 64% isnt all that great? :P 10:33:42 <Tobin> Could be worse. 10:38:08 <peter1138> could be 0% 10:43:59 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498CC72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:46:48 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498CC72.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:48:09 *** wolf^ [i=wolf@pld-linux/wolf] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:48:32 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498CC72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:48:54 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176096228.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:50:08 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 11:25:59 *** wolf^ [i=wolf@pld-linux/wolf] has joined #openttd 11:26:08 <Celestar> baaaah 11:26:11 <Celestar> I suck at drawing sprites 11:27:23 <Celestar> BIG TIME 11:27:51 <Noldo> don't worry 11:28:10 <Noldo> bad and free is better than good and non-free 11:28:18 <Celestar> hm? 11:28:34 <Celestar> I need special signals 11:29:38 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-187-167.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:34:40 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-187-167.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 11:35:12 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-187-167.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:35:56 <Eddi|zuHause> how special? 11:35:58 <Sacro> afternoon all 11:37:24 <Sacro> im very special :) 11:37:35 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: ones that fit under bridges 11:38:20 <Bjarni> Celestar: have you seen the catenary thing on the forum? 11:38:30 <Eddi|zuHause> how about moving them so they stand in front of the bridge, not under it? 11:38:39 <Bjarni> people started to talk about removing it o_O 11:39:16 <Celestar> Bjarni: no? 11:39:22 <Eddi|zuHause> or make clearance over track = 2 height levels? 11:39:52 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: moving them helps not much if track || bridge 11:40:06 <Eddi|zuHause> (people are not gonna like that ;) 11:40:40 <Eddi|zuHause> but we do need more realistic height levels 11:41:18 <Celestar> the height levels are rather ok, only the bridge sprites suck 11:41:34 <Celestar> plus signals are abnormally large so that you can see the status 11:41:56 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E8FA.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 11:42:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i cannot imagine you can fit any of these semaphore signals under a 8 pixel high bridge 11:42:39 <Sacro> how about having a 3rd rail grf? instead of catenary 11:42:45 <Celestar> 3rd rail sucks 11:43:04 <Celestar> but ok, make a 3rd rail grf, including it is a matter of minutes. 11:43:15 <Celestar> vici@noname:[/home/vici/openttd/branch/bridge]> firefox 11:43:16 <Celestar> /usr/bin/firefox: line 159: 481 Segmentation fault $AOSS $MOZ_PROGRAM $@ 11:43:18 <Celestar> great :S 11:43:35 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds fun ;) 11:43:48 <Bjarni> Celestar: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=24962 11:45:19 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: Use the TTO Semaphores 11:47:47 <Celestar> people are weird ... 11:48:01 <Prof_Frink> yes, we are 11:48:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: i do not think i'd like those 11:49:12 <Eddi|zuHause> plus, i believe they were left side only 11:49:16 <Celestar> Bjarni: er ... you do NOT need transparent sprites to make pylons/catenary transparent... 11:49:28 <Celestar> Bjarni: implementing that takes about 5 minutes 11:50:23 <Prof_Frink> Of course, if you had signals on borders rather than tile, this would all be solved. 11:50:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i need a mode to draw electrified/non-electrified tracks in bright distinctive colours 11:50:56 <Eddi|zuHause> to find stray unelectrified tiles 11:51:15 <Prof_Frink> cht:trac... oh wait ;) 11:51:35 <Eddi|zuHause> ?? 11:52:07 <Celestar> cht:track is braindead 11:52:26 <Prof_Frink> Well it would be 11:52:34 <Prof_Frink> cht:track doesn't exist 11:54:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess i don't know enough about cheats to get the point... 11:56:29 <Celestar> cht:track 1 converts the whole network to elrail in The Patch 11:57:38 <Bjarni> <Celestar> Bjarni: er ... you do NOT need transparent sprites to make pylons/catenary transparent... <-- ok, I just thought that I saw transparent sprites in a grf once 11:57:55 <Celestar> as far I as I have something to say ... there will be 1) no cheat to convert an entire network, 2) no way to upgrade shit if a train is underneath and 3) no way to make a vehicle move on an incompatible track 11:58:53 <Bjarni> why not 2? 11:59:15 <Bjarni> it makes sense on really dense trafficked tracks 11:59:22 <Celestar> however, the whole point is moot, because when we're through with balancing, there should be need to think at least twice whether you want to upgrade 11:59:32 <Celestar> Bjarni: upgrade from convrail to elrail, fine 11:59:40 <Celestar> but upgrade from monorail to maglev ... ?? 11:59:47 <Celestar> it's basically the same as 3 11:59:53 <Bjarni> oh, more people posted then 12:00:19 <Sacro> please have 2 for conv <-> elrail 12:00:23 <Bjarni> I meant that it should be possible if and only if the train can run on the new track type 12:00:44 <Celestar> Sacro: yes, as Bjarni said it will be in 0.5.0 12:01:13 <Bjarni> not fixed at a certain track type, but instead checking compatible track types for the train 12:01:21 <Celestar> yeah 12:01:23 <Bjarni> makes adding more track types easier in the future 12:01:45 <Celestar> but that really is a minor thing to implement 12:03:13 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a81-197-121-141.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 12:04:57 <Eddi|zuHause> how about native narrow gauge support? 12:05:10 <Eddi|zuHause> if adding track types is so easy? 12:06:04 <Sacro> yeah, and rack an pinion rails for mountains 12:07:26 <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: what would be the adde value? 12:08:27 <Eddi|zuHause> narrow gauge could have different properties, like pricing/aging of rails 12:08:41 <Eddi|zuHause> or effect of curve radiuses 12:09:23 <Eddi|zuHause> (in the future) 12:09:26 <Celestar> but lower max speed .. 12:09:27 <Eddi|zuHause> (after the balancing) 12:11:37 <Eddi|zuHause> ideally, narrow gauge should be a viable option in the early game and in mountaneous areas 12:11:38 <hylje> can a electric loco be pulled around by a diesel in a convrail 12:11:48 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, hylje 12:11:54 <hylje> good 12:12:19 <Eddi|zuHause> it can as well be pushed around though ;) 12:14:36 <Eddi|zuHause> as for upgrading networks, you should be able to upgrade a depot with trains inside, to then upgrade the trains without loosing the orders 12:15:00 <Eddi|zuHause> btw. a train leaving a depot must check if the rail is compatible before 12:15:10 <Eddi|zuHause> iirc it does not do that 12:15:16 <Celestar> bbl 12:15:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i had electric trains leaving conventional depots 12:15:27 <Eddi|zuHause> with 0hp 12:18:05 *** Sacro__ [n=Sacro@87.102.21.120] has joined #openttd 12:22:04 <Bjarni> heh 12:22:27 <Bjarni> post a bug report 12:22:34 <Bjarni> since Celestar left 12:23:45 <peter1138> burp 12:29:00 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-187-167.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:35:09 <Brianetta> valhallazzzw will be in his first final exam now 12:35:46 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B83474.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 12:37:28 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B83474.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:38:09 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit ["Leaving."] 12:38:52 <Bjarni> hmm 12:39:05 <Bjarni> he added zzz to his name and he got an exam right now? 12:39:15 <peter1138> yes 12:39:17 <Bjarni> that sounds promising 12:39:20 <peter1138> don't you sleep during exams? 12:39:20 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E8FA.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Client Quit] 12:39:41 *** Sacro__ is now known as Sacro 12:39:58 *** Hadez [n=chatzill@85.119.91.2] has joined #openttd 12:41:26 <Bjarni> I had a teacher, who was asked if he ever failed an exam in his major and then he said that he was up late new years eve and the next night as well due to his brother's birthday. The next day he had a 5 hour written exam and he can remember looking a the assignment and then he wakes up by the callout to inform that there was 30 minutes left 12:41:28 <Bjarni> he failed 12:41:50 <Bjarni> image that he was asleep for 4 hours and nobody woke him up 12:45:38 <hylje> owned 12:45:45 <Brianetta> heh 12:46:09 <ledow> would anyone mind if I have a quick bash at trying to make elrails an option? 12:48:18 <Sacro> ledow: its open source :) 12:49:12 <ledow> Yeah but don't wanna tread on toes or annoy the person who spent so long putting it in. ;-) 12:49:50 <Sacro> hmmm, suppose, why wouldnt anyone wnt it though? 12:49:51 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E8FA.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 12:50:06 <ledow> A lot of people are asking for it in forums 12:50:17 <ledow> no removal but an option of whether or not to use it 12:50:34 <Sacro> could you ont just define elrails as the same as conv rails? 12:50:37 *** TiberiusTeng [n=Tibeius@211-74-182-249.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:50:42 <ledow> That's what I'm trying now... 12:50:47 *** TiberiusTeng [n=Tibeius@211-74-182-249.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw] has joined #openttd 12:50:48 <ledow> there's a fwew niggles with doing so 12:50:57 <Celestar> bug reports? 12:51:20 <Celestar> did I hear "bug" ? 12:51:33 <ledow> Celestar: er... no? 12:51:42 <Celestar> ok 12:51:44 <Celestar> good then 12:51:58 * ledow strokes Celestar until he goes back to sleep. :-) 12:52:04 <Celestar> hm? 12:52:12 <Celestar> that will happen in a few minutes anyway. 12:52:52 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:54:22 * Celestar is trying to convince openttd to charge maintainance costs depending on vehicle speed 12:54:48 <hylje> your personality is too low for that 12:55:03 * Celestar casts Charisma +4 on himself 12:56:10 * Celestar thinks a lot of people will yell and rant post-balancing 12:56:41 <Sacro> hehe, probably 12:57:36 <Celestar> because you won't make any money by sending around Coal in 600km/h maglevs 12:57:52 <Sacro> good 12:58:13 <Brianetta> Celestar: UKRS has no maglevs that can carry coal anyway (: 12:58:46 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 12:59:11 <Brianetta> No monorails (should have sacrificed maglev, IMO) and the various maglevs can carry only passengers, mail and goods. 12:59:12 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:01:43 <Celestar> makes a bit of sense. 13:01:55 <Celestar> Brianetta: but I think it should be enforced by economic requirements 13:02:07 <Celestar> somehow the game needs to be financial challenge later on 13:03:10 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-4716.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 13:05:10 <ledow> more disasters, get fined for a railway monopoly, charge for electricity, :-) 13:06:04 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:07:01 *** mikl_ [n=mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:09:39 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has joined #openttd 13:09:43 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.1/2006040505]"] 13:10:58 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E8FA.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:11:52 <Brianetta> Charge for electricity is good 13:12:08 <Brianetta> Incentives for removing catenary 13:12:30 <Brianetta> Actually, in UKRS, all the very late game trains are fuel-cell 13:12:39 <Brianetta> so catenary isn't necessary 13:12:43 <ledow> use too much 'leccy and the town gets brownouts and your ratings drop. :-) 13:12:51 <Bjarni> <ledow> would anyone mind if I have a quick bash at trying to make elrails an option? <-- actually even though I'm not the one to code elrails, I'm against making them an option 13:12:59 <Brianetta> Not an option 13:12:59 <Brianetta> no 13:13:03 <Brianetta> it's a bug fix 13:13:05 <Bjarni> partly because I think it should be there 13:13:21 <Bjarni> also because it's a real balance thing if it is in one game and not in another one 13:13:37 <Brianetta> electric locos operating without a power source should have been, like, bug 0002 from the original decompilation 13:13:54 <Bjarni> I did it ages ago 13:14:07 <Brianetta> Now that bug is fixed 13:14:10 <Bjarni> I hacked a passenger car to behave as an engine to see what happened 13:14:16 <Brianetta> Other bugs fixes don't end up as patch options 13:14:30 <ledow> Bjarni: I actually like elrails and I think they are a good addition but I always say that I'd prefer big changes to be options and I should practice what I preach for those who don't like elrails. 13:14:34 <Bjarni> it took ages to gain speed due to 0 hp, but it didn't have a max speed either, so eventually.... :) 13:15:54 <Bjarni> ledow: I think this should not be an option. All we need is a way to make it easier to see what tracks got catenary and so on 13:16:12 <ledow> Bjarni: It doesn't look like it's easy to do anyway - like you say it's very integrated. It'd make a complete mess of the code 13:16:27 <Bjarni> maybe we could make the track itself red in transparent mode or something so they are easy to tell apart if you want to check 13:17:17 <Bjarni> if not red, then some other colour, just a colour so it's easy to tell apart from the normal tracks 13:17:28 <Bjarni> and makes it easy to spot a missed tile during conversion 13:18:52 <ledow> There should be a floodfill convert option - convert this track and all connected tracks within X squares to the new type. 13:20:33 <Eddi|zuHause> now that is a rubbish idea... 13:24:44 *** blathijs [n=matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has quit ["irssi still borking (or probably screen...)"] 13:25:06 <Bjarni> ledow: you mean "convert signal block to.." option? 13:25:09 *** blathijs [n=matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 13:25:20 <Bjarni> I can't help but to think: why? 13:25:32 <Bjarni> we already got drag 'n' drop conversion 13:25:39 <Bjarni> hi blathijs 13:26:21 *** Smoky555 [i=6uuizqmi@sagitta.internal.vlink.ru] has left #openttd [] 13:29:13 <Brianetta> How about a cyan or blue overlay? 13:29:16 <Brianetta> Electric blue 13:29:25 <Bjarni> that could work too 13:30:24 <Brianetta> Should be a YAPO: "Show coloured electrified line when buildings are invisible" 13:32:59 <peter1138> o_O 13:33:08 <blathijs> hey Bjarni 13:33:35 <Bjarni> maybe they should be pink 13:33:50 <Bjarni> if that is what it takes to get girls to play the game 13:33:51 <Bjarni> :p 13:33:52 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: make a TTD-colourpicker 13:34:25 <Bjarni> I got it 13:34:42 <Bjarni> the red/black colour from crossings, so you can see that it's AC power 13:40:54 <Bjarni> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=444662#444662 <--- actually it could be nice to ask the channel. Why did flyspray fail to be a message board for "who is working on what"? 13:41:02 *** Hadez [n=chatzill@85.119.91.2] has left #openttd [] 13:41:30 <peter1138> because it's jumbled up with bug reports 13:42:28 <peter1138> and generally gives the appearance of being a bug reporting system, not a tracker 13:42:33 <Bjarni> that's the idea with filters 13:43:05 <Bjarni> I just filtered for "work in progress" and only 3 tasks showed up 13:43:16 <glx> but bugs.openttd.org doesn't really suggest it can be used for something else 13:43:33 <Bjarni> I didn't pick that URL 13:44:29 <ledow> Someone should close http://bugs.openttd.org/task/171 13:45:41 <glx> yeah it's not a bug :) 13:45:56 <ledow> it's not even a complaint given his comment afterwards. 13:46:13 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@145.74.203.188] has quit ["It's a new quit message!"] 13:46:30 <Bjarni> closed 13:46:41 <Bjarni> Additional comments about closing: you are demanding too much. We can't fix the cause of this issue :p 13:46:51 <blathijs> Bjarni: hey, I was gonna do that ;-) 13:47:02 <Bjarni> heh 13:47:15 <Eddi|zuHause> [18.05. 14:54] <Celestar> did I hear "bug" ? <- yes, http://bugs.openttd.org/task/178 13:47:36 <glx> hey I was reading it :) 13:48:01 <ledow> If anyone's in a weird, unreproducable-bug-fixing mode, could they have a look at http://bugs.openttd.org/task/176 13:48:42 <glx> ledow: too hard :) 13:49:05 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-528571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:49:22 <ledow> It's horrible when you get a bug that you can't show a savegame for. 13:50:10 <hylje> mm 13:51:53 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: comment added 13:53:05 <ledow> Bjarni: I like the error icon idea inside depots 13:53:34 <ledow> little red cross = not just stopped but CAN'T leave. 13:54:36 <Bjarni> at first I wondered about a lightning behind a red X, but then I realised that we should use something a bit more general so it's not restricted to electric engines only. We don't know what we want to add in the future 13:54:45 <peter1138> Bjarni: ? 13:55:00 <peter1138> oh, error icon *idea* hmm 13:55:09 <peter1138> thought you'd written something ;p 13:55:10 <ledow> That icon is extremely small though so a little red cross might be much easier to see 13:55:12 <Prof_Frink> Or, if you can't be bothered to redraw sprites, have the red 'stopped' flag with the padlock from the multiplayer dialogue 13:55:36 <Prof_Frink> s/redraw/draw more/ 13:55:55 <Bjarni> that could work too 13:56:39 <Bjarni> say we got steering cars and we got one in a depot without an engine, then it should not be able to leave, but it's not due to the catenary, so a lightning would be wrong to use in such a case 13:57:02 <ledow> a little red exclamation mark? 13:59:40 *** blathijs [n=matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has quit ["restarting irssi - take 3"] 14:02:47 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 14:07:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i like a cross better than an exclamation mark 14:08:21 *** mikl_ [n=mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit ["In the end, all that matters is your relation with God..."] 14:08:21 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has quit ["In the end, all that matters is your relation with God..."] 14:08:35 <ledow> I think it would have to be simple and generic (i.e. a good potential for re-use), so it's should be something like X, ! or ? 14:09:05 <Prof_Frink> Or a no-entry sign 14:09:08 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit [Client Quit] 14:12:26 *** blathijs [n=matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 14:12:50 *** blathijs [n=matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 14:14:32 *** blathijs [n=matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 14:14:40 <blathijs> w00t 14:14:42 <blathijs> finally works :-) 14:15:07 <glx> your connection ? 14:16:20 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 14:21:01 <Celestar> do we support Solaris? Ultrasparc? 14:21:33 <blathijs> glx: no, irssi resizing 14:21:56 <blathijs> somehow, I managed to get one of my terminals fucked up, so irssi wouldn't resize inside that terminal or any terminal spawned from it 14:22:12 <blathijs> but it was not an env variable 14:22:32 <blathijs> Celestar: dunno, I don't have any sparcs (though I think there might be a few lying around at uni here somewhere) 14:24:33 <Celestar> I'll get an Ultrasparc T1 on Monday for 5 weeks, let's see then ;) 14:25:19 <blathijs> what kind of machine is that? 14:25:44 <Celestar> an 8 core/32 thread server 14:25:47 <blathijs> sounds shiny :-) 14:25:54 <Celestar> in 1U :) 14:26:14 <blathijs> what kinda speed? 14:26:20 <Celestar> 1.0 GHz 14:26:26 <blathijs> Celestar: what are you getting it for? 14:26:33 <Celestar> google up on "Sun Niagara" 14:26:53 <Celestar> blathijs: testing it, and deciding whether next file server is Opteron based on Ultrasparc based (Sun machine anyway) 14:27:58 <blathijs> it uses native threads or something? 14:28:21 <Celestar> native threads? 14:29:44 <Belugas> Celestar, once the testing and decision are done, do you keep the machine as a payment? That would be nifty :D 14:29:55 <Brianetta> So, are we going to have DVTs and other non-loco driving cabs? 14:30:01 <Brianetta> Sounds cool 14:30:04 <Celestar> lets see ;) 14:30:25 *** ProfFrink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:31:05 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tsch??"] 14:31:11 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:31:11 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 14:32:50 <peter1138> what would it achieve? 14:33:05 <Celestar> no more turning trains? 14:33:19 <peter1138> hmm 14:33:49 <peter1138> and who's working on this? 14:33:57 <Celestar> along with realistically-sized depots, that'd add a lot of depth on gameplay. 14:34:01 <Celestar> dunno, not me (yet) ;) 14:34:23 <blathijs> Celestar: well, it supports 4 threads per core. I've never seen a cpu that supported a number of threads per core, since threads are completely user-level 14:34:35 <blathijs> but it seems this chip does threads at the hardware level 14:34:45 <Celestar> blathijs: Hyperthreading Pentium 4s support 2 threads at hardware level 14:34:59 <Celestar> so does each of these cores support 4 threads at hardware level 14:35:33 <blathijs> Celestar: yes, I never really understood how that worked. I generally misunderstood HT for dual core, but now I understand how it really works (reading up on the niagara ;-) 14:35:43 <Celestar> (= 14:37:36 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B83474.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:38:51 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:39:23 *** Pixelz` [i=pix@pix.pp.se] has joined #openttd 14:40:12 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176096228.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:41:30 *** Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Darkvater, anboni, SchAmane, BJH, Jpl, jmp_ghli, yanek, Kjetil, Celestar, e1ko, (+8 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 14:41:42 *** Netsplit over, joins: yanek, @orudge, e1ko, brygge_2, BJH, SchAmane, Neonox, tank_, Kjetil, guru3 (+6 more) 14:41:44 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 14:42:37 *** Neonox_RA [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-135-74.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 14:42:57 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-135-74.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 14:44:59 * Sacro plugs it back in again 14:45:05 *** WolfLaptop [n=wolf@213.196.14.254] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 14:45:57 <blathijs> Celestar: it sounds pretty, I want one ;-) 14:53:46 *** Neonox_RA is now known as Neonox 14:53:49 *** MiHaMiX [n=miham@160.114.48.62] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:55:21 <valhallazzzw> yes Bjarni 14:55:25 *** valhallazzzw is now known as valhallasw 14:55:58 <valhallasw> it went reasonably well 14:57:19 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176096228.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Success] 14:57:46 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-135-74.vodafone-net.de] has quit ["muss wech"] 14:59:48 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has joined #openttd 15:00:56 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-210-53.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 15:14:11 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 15:17:14 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:19:50 *** ledow [n=ledow@jaimejwalker.plus.com] has left #openttd [] 15:19:52 *** ledow [n=ledow@jaimejwalker.plus.com] has joined #openttd 15:26:14 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:26:23 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: can it be that the string handling is messed up? i do not get DBSetXL in german anymore 15:27:45 <Eddi|zuHause> (neither the newstations) 15:27:54 * peter1138 blames Belugas ;p 15:29:10 * Belugas blames grf writers hohohoho 15:29:14 <Eddi|zuHause> that does not really help me ;) 15:29:36 <Belugas> well.. Looks like some testings are needed. 15:30:11 <Belugas> unfortunately, i'm at work for another 6 hours. 15:30:22 <Belugas> I can check the code, though... 15:30:27 <peter1138> print strncmp(iso_codes[1].code, iso_name, 5) 15:30:27 <peter1138> = 1 15:30:30 <peter1138> print strncmp(iso_codes[2].code, iso_name, 5) 15:30:30 <peter1138> = 0 15:30:32 <peter1138> looks ok... 15:31:08 <peter1138> so it's not that 15:32:17 <peter1138> hmm 15:33:18 <peter1138> ahhh 15:33:37 <peter1138> misplaced bracket 15:34:09 <Eddi|zuHause> non track tiles need a little work... 15:34:15 <ln-> quiz: where is this from: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/kuvat/tmp/juna/pict3244_a.jpg 15:34:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i cannot place bufferstops on slopes 15:34:39 <CIA-3> peter1138 * r4905 /trunk/newgrf_text.c: - NewGRF: fix typo that prevented non-english NewGRF text from working. 15:34:41 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause: that's for reporting 15:34:46 <peter1138> err 15:34:48 <peter1138> *thanks* 15:35:18 <Eddi|zuHause> also, when transparent, they show a track 15:35:30 <Eddi|zuHause> even under buildings 15:35:31 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause: that's because there is track beneath them 15:35:36 <peter1138> it's a hack 15:35:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i figured ;) 15:35:49 <Eddi|zuHause> it's just not pretty ;) 15:36:03 <peter1138> well 15:36:06 <peter1138> speak to the grf author 15:36:13 <peter1138> than can change the ground beneath 15:36:25 <peter1138> we can't guess what it should be 15:36:56 <Eddi|zuHause> ln-: that wagon looks kinda russian 15:37:27 <Eddi|zuHause> but if i had to guess, i would say it's your home town ;) 15:37:33 <Eddi|zuHause> (wherever that is) 15:37:59 <Belugas> Ho... you found it too, peter1138. Just a hell of a lot more faster then "Snailish" here :( 15:41:16 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause: not my home town, no. :) 15:43:32 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:43:50 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181085217.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:44:03 <Eddi|zuHause> is it just me or should "void" track tiles not count as platform? 15:49:59 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause: they are station tiles, so yes, they should 15:50:10 <peter1138> i would say they shouldn't exist, but we can't stop them ;p 15:50:50 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:51:30 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... if i wanted to have the ottd window start as maximized window (not full screen, and not normal window), how could i achieve that? 15:52:02 <glx> hmm I think there's a setting in cfg 15:52:36 <glx> yes "resolution" in openttd.cfg 15:52:48 <Eddi|zuHause> no, that does not suffice 15:53:28 <Eddi|zuHause> like, if i have windows docked at the edge of the screen 15:53:55 <Eddi|zuHause> the ottd window pops out beneath those windows in normal mode 15:54:07 <Eddi|zuHause> but in maximized mode, it takes those windows in account 15:55:00 <[Shaman]> http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=17426 << Robin williams + Spore == ......... 15:55:08 <Eddi|zuHause> prime example: if the taskbar is not configured to automatically disappear 15:55:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and "resolution" is set to take that size in account 15:56:14 *** Hallo [n=me@141.24.45.251] has joined #openttd 15:56:17 <Eddi|zuHause> the ottd window is set centered on the screen, leaving a small empty stripe at the top, and being overlapped by the taskbar in the bottom 15:56:19 <peter1138> maximized: no 15:56:32 <peter1138> i've thought about adding it though 15:56:41 <peter1138> didn't get as far as actually doing it 15:57:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not much knowledge about winapi 15:57:35 <Eddi|zuHause> but it should be easy to tell it (at window creation) to make it maximized 15:57:44 <Eddi|zuHause> where would i find that part in the code? 16:01:45 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.24.191] has joined #openttd 16:04:21 <peter1138> pretty deep, unfortunately 16:05:03 <Charles_Montomer> I daresay we need a newgrf capability for newsounds. You there. peter1138. commit one, poste haste. 16:05:37 * Charles_Montomer is upper class and stonking rich. 16:05:57 <Charles_Montomer> Have some money. 16:06:22 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@pool-71-98-89-81.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:06:22 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@pool-71-98-89-81.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:06:24 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 16:07:35 <Belugas> video/win32_v.c:575 is win creation. on 555, should add WS_MAXIMIZE, i think 16:07:52 <Belugas> that is for maximizing at startup.. 16:07:52 <peter1138> also need to save the maximized state 16:07:53 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-528571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:08:12 <glx> could be saved in [win32] 16:09:09 <Belugas> internally to win32_v.c, maybe? 16:09:27 <peter1138> glx: is it windows specific? 16:09:37 <peter1138> other oses can start in fullscreen, no? 16:09:39 <peter1138> err 16:09:43 <peter1138> maximized, i mean 16:10:07 <glx> I don't know for others 16:10:26 <glx> so in doubt I just say win32 specific :) 16:10:59 <Belugas> looks like digging harder and harder :D 16:11:48 *** Charles_Montomer is now known as Born_Acorn 16:11:50 <Born_Acorn> orudge! 16:12:04 <orudge> Born_Acorn! 16:12:22 <Born_Acorn> orudge again! 16:12:53 <Eddi|zuHause> at least i got a small local fix for my problem now ;) 16:13:20 <Eddi|zuHause> for a clean patch, one needs to do more ;) 16:13:33 <Eddi|zuHause> btw. it's not line 555, but 558 16:13:58 <Eddi|zuHause> 555 is for full screen 16:14:10 <Belugas> my point on 555 16:14:31 <Belugas> if doing full screen, really do full screen 16:14:50 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, of course ;) 16:16:36 <peter1138> 555 timer! 16:17:48 <Belugas> timer? 16:17:58 <ledow> it's a chip 16:18:12 <ledow> NE555 is the name of a timing chip 16:19:38 <Belugas> Gaaaa... Hallucinogenic tea :P 16:20:54 <glx> Belugas: but fullscreen already works :) 16:21:30 <glx> and maximized != fullscreen 16:21:53 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@87.102.21.120] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:24:20 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["kthxbye"] 16:25:49 <Belugas> on my dual monitor, it does not fullscreenisize 16:25:51 <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/update_depot.diff <-- refresh build vehicule window (if opened) when converting rail depot 16:26:08 <glx> comments please 16:27:09 <Celestar> glx: I'd prefer using InvalidateWindowById 16:27:59 <glx> Celestar: yes but I need to modify w so why not set it dirty directly? (this saves a loop though) 16:29:10 <Celestar> glx: point taken 16:29:48 <peter1138> hmm 16:30:25 <Celestar> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/73 <= glx what about this? 16:31:15 <Celestar> ;) 16:31:24 <glx> I didn't look this one :) 16:31:28 <Celestar> ok. 16:31:36 <Celestar> I like the patch 16:31:37 <glx> maybe a missing refresh in other place 16:31:41 <Celestar> yes 16:31:48 <Celestar> wtf? 16:32:17 <Celestar> brb there was a pretty loud bang outside .... 16:33:45 * Mizipzor holds his breath 16:37:09 <Celestar> :S 16:37:15 <Celestar> women and cars 16:37:20 <glx> :) 16:37:28 <Celestar> two BMWs wrecked 16:38:01 <Belugas> Mizipzor, you can breath now. 16:38:10 <glx> hmm about #73, indeed the window is refreshed 16:38:27 <Celestar> but the list is not regenerated it seems 16:38:37 * Mizipzor breaths 16:38:42 <glx> it is but the pointer is not memorised 16:39:07 <glx> or updated (select pointer I mean) 16:39:19 <peter1138> purchase window? 16:39:38 <peter1138> ah, yeah 16:39:49 <peter1138> it stores the selected vehicle by position in list 16:39:51 <peter1138> not by engine_Type 16:39:55 <peter1138> s/T/t/ 16:40:03 <peter1138> so you'd need to change that 16:40:18 <Celestar> just listindex++ if vehicle is added? 16:40:40 <glx> depends if it's added before or after selected :) 16:40:45 <Celestar> ^^ 16:41:41 <peter1138> yeah 16:41:50 <peter1138> and that's in a totally different place 16:42:29 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:44:54 * XeryusTC points everyone to http://uc1.GamesTotal.com/?tft=4e1i 16:45:15 <glx> XeryusTC: again ?! 16:45:25 <XeryusTC> glx: yes, need votes every day :) 16:46:41 <Bjarni> why? 16:46:57 <XeryusTC> so i get free planets :) 16:47:01 <XeryusTC> 50k of them :) 16:47:17 <Bjarni> why should I care? 16:47:17 <XeryusTC> or 70k if i get the most votes 16:47:33 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: you shouldnt, but you could help me out 16:49:25 <guru3> XeryusTC: that looks nasty 16:49:27 <guru3> in a bad way 16:49:39 <guru3> good games don't need to advertise like that 16:49:43 <XeryusTC> guru3: the flashing is not my fault 16:50:06 <guru3> i don't care if a game has 500000 or 500 players 16:50:12 <guru3> if it's good that's when i play it >< 16:50:36 <XeryusTC> guru3: most people do care since it is a MMOG 16:50:45 <XeryusTC> you need someone to attack ;) 16:50:47 <guru3> ok but it still looks bad to me 16:51:45 <CIA-3> glx * r4906 /trunk/rail_cmd.c: - Fix: Refresh build vehicle window (if opened) when converting rail depot 16:52:03 <Bjarni> as I said earlier, then I went away from games that tries to control my time a long time ago 16:52:07 *** _Jango_ [n=kvirc@puritan.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:53:02 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: you don't have to play it, i just need people to click it 16:53:48 *** CmdKewin [n=cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 16:56:37 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: actually I don't like the idea of you lurking people in here to click on links to bad games 16:56:59 <XeryusTC> ok, ill stop it then 16:57:05 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean luring, not lurking ;) 16:57:12 <_Jango_> or co-ercing 16:57:16 <_Jango_> :) 17:00:00 <Bjarni> I mean that he acts as a predator, who lures people into wasting time 17:00:19 <Bjarni> we already do that very well on our own. We don't need anybody else to help us doing that 17:00:57 <Scia> But we like wasting time playing OTTD :p 17:00:59 <XeryusTC> two are always better then one ;) 17:01:54 <Bjarni> you can always turn off OTTD. You can't turn off the internet 17:02:07 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B77A77.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:26 <Bjarni> the game continues even when you go to sleep/school/work, which mean that it starts with you getting too little sleep and ends with taking over your life 17:02:41 <Bjarni> that is what MMOG is designed to do 17:02:49 <Bjarni> since there aren't any pause 17:02:51 <Mizipzor> Bjarni, good point 17:02:54 <XeryusTC> it wont, there is a game mode where you only need to login every 1-2 days 17:03:04 <XeryusTC> and there is one for logging in 3 times a day 17:03:10 <XeryusTC> and one for playing all day 17:03:51 <Bjarni> but if you want to play say 4 hours on your day off, but not really on your work day, then you don't have that option 17:06:06 <XeryusTC> true 17:06:41 <XeryusTC> but my points still stands, you don't have to play, just click :) 17:13:40 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:15:20 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:16:01 <hylje> what about an ottd mmo 17:16:55 *** Angst [n=Angst@p5494739D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:19:28 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:24:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77834.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:34:21 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:38:39 *** ProfFrink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:38:48 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["Oops, forgot screen"] 17:38:58 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 17:46:55 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 18:00:08 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-208-192.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:05:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... the dutch catenary is pretty, but it has some weird display bug with tunnel entrances 18:06:18 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: at least it's easier to see catenary with this grf :) 18:06:28 <Bjarni> screenshot? 18:06:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, i noticed ;) 18:08:30 <Bjarni> I guess not 18:09:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> in german we have a saying "Ein alter Mann ist kein D-Zug" 18:09:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> ('an old man is no express train' or something) 18:10:36 <hylje> D-Zug 18:10:38 <hylje> :> 18:11:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> narf, i need more upload ;) 18:11:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/elrails.png 18:13:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is with almost clean trunk 18:13:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> i set ELRAIL_ELEVATION = 11 18:14:23 <Vornicus> hey, that's pretty good 18:17:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> it misses a sprite for the autorail button ;) 18:18:19 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181117215.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:19:33 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:19:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway... the "bug" is, that the catenary goes out of the back of the tunnel entrance 18:19:55 <Brianetta> It's so nice that there is more than one nightly now. 18:20:19 <valhallasw> How much are there? 18:20:22 <valhallasw> Three or so? 18:22:28 <Brianetta> Five or six 18:23:42 <Bjarni> who made the Dutch catenary grf? 18:23:48 <Bjarni> can we use it? 18:25:19 *** Mucht|zZz [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 18:26:36 <Born_Acorn> Bjarni, Purno 18:30:00 <Bjarni> then we can use it :) 18:30:57 *** MiHaMiX [n=miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 18:33:27 <Mizipzor> hmm... i took all coal to a powerplant... made enough money to build a main line, start moving all the coal across the map... thought longer distance was more money but im making considerably less now! what did i do wrong? is this a bad tactic? 18:34:40 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:35:20 <XeryusTC> Mizipzor: you need more trains to haul everything, which means that your total running cost becomes higher 18:36:17 <Mizipzor> hmmm... correct 18:36:55 <Bjarni> maybe you should make the trains longer when you travel longer 18:37:17 <Bjarni> running cost for one engine is the same nomatter how many cars you add to it 18:37:40 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181085217.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:37:45 <Brianetta> Loading times go up, though 18:37:52 <Bjarni> the longest train I made for commercial use contained 22 freight wagons 18:37:57 <Bjarni> I made a fortune 18:37:57 <Brianetta> and the oomph up hills goes down 18:38:05 <_Jango_> trains take too long to respond on a green signal now - probably cos i'm using "realistic acc" 18:38:24 <Brianetta> _Jango_: No, I believe there's actually a wait there 18:38:28 <_Jango_> it's annoying 18:38:34 <Brianetta> Your driver has to put his paper down, etc 18:38:37 <Bjarni> <Brianetta> Loading times go up, though <-- make the stations long enough and enable new loading algorithm 18:38:46 <_Jango_> messes up junction design 18:38:55 <Brianetta> Bjarni: The loding times are limited by production in many cases 18:38:57 <_Jango_> it's fatal if the train actually stops 18:39:12 <Brianetta> _Jango_: Design them so they don't have to stop 18:39:23 <_Jango_> sometimes easier said than done 18:39:37 <hylje> usually easier said than done 18:39:43 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:44 <hylje> i want bendy bridges and tunnels 18:39:50 <_Jango_> correction accepted 18:40:15 <_Jango_> i think i want yellow signals if we're going to keep this wait 18:40:15 <Bjarni> Brianetta: yes and if the production is the limitation, then the line is not good enough. I usually travel with the long trains over long distances only when transporting goods or steel where I can force a pretty high production rate 18:40:37 <Bjarni> also usually when I make so long trains, it's because I'm too cheap to build two tracks 18:40:45 <_Jango_> Bjarni: agreed - i used to have everything (including raws) going long distances 18:40:50 <_Jango_> now i tend to "hub" it 18:40:53 <hylje> long distance is the win 18:41:29 <Mizipzor> hmm... something is seriously wrong... my trains waiting at the hub to pick stuff up just pick it up and instantly sell it! 18:41:38 <Mizipzor> my hub is at the powerplant i used to deliver coal to 18:41:44 <_Jango_> you need to "transfer and leave empty" 18:41:47 <Mizipzor> it now serves as the hub 18:42:01 <Mizipzor> i do, the trains transferring are all ok, yellow numbers show above them 18:42:04 <Bjarni> I learned that the US way of making single tracked railroads work pretty well. You make the double tracked area where the trains meet too long so none of them have to stop, yet you don't have to make it double tracked all the way 18:42:24 <Bjarni> it needs some thinking to figure out how long and where they meet when doing it like that though 18:42:26 <Mizipzor> but the trains supposed to pick it up and ship it long distance, simply picks it up and sells it! 18:42:52 <_Jango_> are you transferring coal? 18:42:55 <Mizipzor> yes 18:43:07 <Mizipzor> it used to work :S i wonder what i did to break it 18:45:26 <Brianetta> Bjarni: Point, but Mizipzor was transporting coal. 18:45:56 <Mizipzor> i dont think what type of goods i transport can affect this problem 18:46:22 <Brianetta> Mizipzor: The point in question was making sure demand was high. This can be done with steel and goods. 18:46:36 <_Jango_> to be honest, it's quicker to just build everything double-tracked 18:46:47 <_Jango_> rather than spend time thinking about it 18:46:56 <Mizipzor> woot? now it simply start working again! i did nothing! 18:47:15 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has quit ["/quit"] 18:47:29 <Mizipzor> i suspect a bug 18:52:47 <hylje> on a sidenote, what has been the most obscure (possible) exploit in the history of OTTD 18:53:14 <_Jango_> who's got the best link to ottd signalling 18:53:22 <_Jango_> a how-to i mean 18:53:51 <LIIT> _Jango_: http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~dou/ttdx/signal.html << PBS is not in oTTD yet 18:54:21 <_Jango_> hmm, thx 18:56:44 <_Jango_> i like this: http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~dou/ttdx/priority3.png 18:56:48 <_Jango_> not seen that before 18:57:16 <Mizipzor> thats the one i use :) 18:57:26 <_Jango_> it's neat 18:57:33 <Mizipzor> like it better then the one on the wiki with a lot of other rails crossing the main 18:57:42 <_Jango_> link? 18:57:58 <Mizipzor> no, not a junction 18:58:14 <LIIT> Mizipzor: with link, he ment: "url?" 18:58:23 <Mizipzor> ah! 18:58:24 <_Jango_> indeed i did ;) 18:58:26 <LIIT> :-D 18:59:41 <Mizipzor> _Jango_, http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/Guides:Priorities ... I dont like the part 4 18:59:59 <Mizipzor> i do it more like you... but i put the grey one way more back 19:00:05 <_Jango_> thx 19:00:23 <Mizipzor> so that if the oncoming train goes out, the one already on the mainline is so far behind it dont have to slow down 19:00:38 <Mizipzor> like... your picture, but the grey one four five tiles back 19:00:49 <_Jango_> one sec 19:01:03 <_Jango_> it's ugly 19:01:03 <_Jango_> very ugly 19:01:22 <Mizipzor> indeed 19:01:32 <_Jango_> Mizipzor: the only problem with your way is that you limit the flow on the mainline 19:01:56 <Mizipzor> how do you mean? 19:02:36 <_Jango_> well, if you move the grey one four or five tiles back, that means you can't have 2 trains following each other down the mainline at less than 5 tiles 19:02:45 <_Jango_> actually, if x == 5, then it's not too bad 19:02:51 <_Jango_> but, if x == 10 then that would be worse 19:03:02 <_Jango_> i frequently have trains nose-to-tail 19:04:54 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 19:05:47 <Mizipzor> _Jango_, i dont have that much trains yet 19:05:53 <_Jango_> ah ;) 19:06:14 <_Jango_> i think the coop people like Brianetta regularly have > 1000 trains 19:07:28 <Mizipzor> indeed 19:07:50 <Mizipzor> argh! my trains break down all the time 19:08:04 <Mizipzor> i force them into the depots every once in a while to keep reliability high 19:08:11 <Mizipzor> is there a way to make them go there ofter on thier own? 19:08:39 <_Jango_> you can order them to go to depots 19:08:42 <LIIT> aye 19:08:52 <_Jango_> or turn break downs off 19:08:57 <LIIT> don't do that :-) 19:08:59 <_Jango_> or several other options 19:09:04 <_Jango_> LIIT: i hate breakdowns! 19:09:04 <LIIT> always play on hard (or harder) ;-) 19:09:12 <Mizipzor> i wont turn breakdowns off :P im a man... 19:09:22 <_Jango_> lol 19:09:25 <_Jango_> clearly i'm not then 19:09:31 <_Jango_> they annoy me no end 19:09:37 <hylje> woman 19:09:43 <Mizipzor> but i have enough trains to not even consider making them individually manually go to the depot 19:09:57 <LIIT> Mizipzor: then there plan B, 2 sec, let me make a screenshot 19:10:16 <_Jango_> forced depot stop on the mainline? 19:10:20 <Mizipzor> ive built very efficient depots along my main lines but the trains never go there... they prefer go on and break down every 20th tile 19:11:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> remove the bypassing track 19:11:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> so they _have_ to go into the depot 19:11:23 <Mizipzor> hmm... that could an idea 19:11:44 <_Jango_> but in order to not mess up the orders, you need a bypass track with an inverted signal 19:11:50 <_Jango_> i.e. a signal pointing the wrong way 19:12:00 <Mizipzor> uhm? 19:12:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't think the (new) pathfinder will eat that ;) 19:13:15 <_Jango_> possibly :) 19:13:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> what would you possibly want that to do? 19:13:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> i believe NPF can plan through depots 19:13:52 <KUDr> NPF and YAPF can plan path thru depots 19:13:59 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 19:14:08 <Mizipzor> am i the only one bothered by this? trains running around with 5% reliability? and needed to be _forced_ into depots and instantly get 89% again? why cant they go there on thier own every once in a while... they already do... cant i just make them go more often? 19:14:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> reduce the service interval? 19:14:37 <_Jango_> yeah 19:15:08 <Mizipzor> where is that option? 19:15:27 <LIIT> k, I'm likely too late, but http://kdk.users.skumleren.net/screenie.png 19:15:54 <_Jango_> you sure about the server? 19:15:59 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@83.100.251.147] has joined #openttd 19:16:09 <Bjarni> Firefox can't find the server at kdk.users.skumleren.net. 19:16:32 <gradator> Host kdk.users.skumleren.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) 19:16:39 <Sacro> evening all 19:16:47 <LIIT> bah, I was up at 2am, brainfart... http://users.skumleren.net/kdk/screenie.png 19:16:52 <Mizipzor> Unknown host kdk.users.skumleren.net 19:17:00 <Mizipzor> ah! 19:17:08 <Mizipzor> i like the service interval flag better :P 19:17:18 <Sacro> Mizipzor: nice bit of depot making 19:17:18 <_Jango_> that's better 19:17:51 <LIIT> Mizipzor: aye, but clone train don't copy the service-interval on the stable version - yet 19:17:57 <Mizipzor> Sacro, what do you mean? 19:18:08 <Sacro> sorry, i mean LIIT 19:18:11 <LIIT> :-) 19:18:15 <Sacro> LIIT: nice bit of depot making 19:18:16 <Bjarni> LIIT: I fixed that in the nightly build 19:18:18 <Mizipzor> configure patches option... isnt that it? 19:18:27 <LIIT> Bjarni: I noticed, it's much appreciated :-) 19:18:42 <Mizipzor> 15days/% what does that mean? they go there every fifteen day? or when they got 15%? 19:19:17 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 19:19:37 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:20:43 <Mizipzor> and now they started selling at hub again :( 19:20:50 <Mizipzor> i think ive found a bug here 19:20:59 <Bjarni> no 19:21:05 <Bjarni> we don't have unknown bugs 19:21:13 <Mizipzor> so sure? :P 19:21:24 <Bjarni> but we do have user errors 19:21:35 * Sacro stays quiet 19:21:35 <Mizipzor> ok wait, let me explain... incoming train has transfer and leave empty... ok? 19:21:59 <Sacro> thats a user error caused by using a setup that doesnt work 19:22:04 <Mizipzor> outgoing trains are set to full load and then go far away and sell... 19:22:12 *** dst_ [n=dennis@p213.54.69.6.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 19:22:18 <Mizipzor> problem is, the hub is located so the stuff can be sold there 19:23:02 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 19:23:14 <Mizipzor> it works as long as the outgoing transporters can pick stuff up and instantly leave... if its empty and they have to wait... they sell locally and instantly whenever something gets in! instead of loadin it into their train to wait until they get full! 19:23:21 <Mizipzor> understand what i mean? 19:23:52 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 19:24:30 <LIIT> Mizipzor: have you got the transfer option on ?= 19:24:32 <Sacro> transfer is broken anywya 19:24:45 <Bjarni> see 19:24:50 <Bjarni> it's a known bug 19:25:08 <Bjarni> so you should not spread lies that it's a newly found bug 19:25:40 <Bjarni> the problem is that it was coded, but never completed 19:26:41 <Mizipzor> im not spreading lies, i said i *think* ive found one... no reason to be harsch 19:26:42 <Sacro> well, its been completed but never coded also 19:27:07 <Bjarni> Mizipzor: well, it was intended to be a joke ;) 19:27:32 <Mizipzor> Bjarni, sorry for missunderstanding... i guess it happens alot when its only text :P 19:27:39 <Bjarni> I'm pretty sure that all programs of this size got unknown bugs 19:27:49 <Mizipzor> well... im off for food, no hard feelings... have fun! :) 19:27:50 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: shouldn't you come up with some weird fact about a practical application of physics/chemics/biology? :b 19:27:55 <LIIT> I have a small problem, see: http://users.skumleren.net/kdk/newscreenie.png - when a train is inside the depot for servicing, then it isn't registered as being in the the block (and that's the way the signals are supposed to work), but does anyone have a good idea on how to fix my system ? 19:29:02 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: what do you mean? A real life reason why the coal is sold? 19:29:03 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-528571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:29:44 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: just like you do every night, like a few nights ago about how much coal a running computer uses, or something about chernobyl (was yesterday iirc) 19:29:49 <_Jango_> hmm, my multistop is broke 19:30:11 <Bjarni> I once said that the start delay when the signal turns green is realistic since there is a delay to release the air pressure brake, but the channel said that it's not a simulation :s 19:30:16 <Sacro> LIIT: the depots need to be set as presig combo, but afaik they are only entry 19:30:41 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: ahh, but I don't see a reason to do that regarding the transfer option 19:30:43 <LIIT> Sacro: can you place depots with specific signals inside ? 19:31:07 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: there isn't, i just want an interesting conversation with someone 19:31:38 <Sacro> XeryusTC: tell us about yourself 19:31:44 <XeryusTC> and since my "Get A Live" project has only started today I can't talk to someone else but here and some channel where I always get shouted at 19:32:10 <XeryusTC> http://xeryustc.cjb.net/ <- my Get A Live project :) 19:32:23 <XeryusTC> could be a bit slow atm 19:32:24 <SpComb> *Life 19:32:28 <LIIT> Life ? 19:32:35 <SpComb> Get A Life 19:32:39 <XeryusTC> same difference ;) 19:32:42 <SpComb> I take it 19:33:09 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:33:31 <XeryusTC> most pages don't work yet btw ;) 19:34:08 <Celestar> hey peops 19:34:15 <Brianetta> hey Celestar 19:34:22 <XeryusTC> heya Celestar 19:34:29 <_Jango_> Celestar: when was the last update to multi stop done? 19:34:31 <_Jango_> (hi also 19:34:50 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 19:35:10 <Celestar> _Jango_: 4323 19:35:16 <Celestar> why? 19:35:21 <_Jango_> ok, well, it's still broken in 4690 19:35:23 <Celestar> anything not working? 19:35:44 <_Jango_> the vehicles seem to be going to the closest stop 19:35:52 <_Jango_> rather than choosing an empty slot 19:35:55 <Bjarni> hi Celestar 19:36:06 <Celestar> _Jango_: show me savegame 19:36:16 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: I fail to see my connection to your major (and failing) project to get a life 19:36:18 <_Jango_> sure 19:36:21 <Celestar> _Jango_: there's a balancing happening between stop usage and stop distance. 19:36:42 <_Jango_> maybe the distance between is too small? 19:36:48 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: Sacro wanted to know something about me 19:36:51 <_Jango_> in that case, i have this problem quite often 19:36:52 <Celestar> er .. too big (= 19:36:54 <_Jango_> hmm 19:36:56 <_Jango_> no 19:37:03 <_Jango_> definitely not :) 19:37:04 <XeryusTC> and the project only started today 19:37:20 <XeryusTC> so it isn't working very well yet ;) 19:37:23 <_Jango_> i often have road vehicles in town messing up after a while of operation 19:37:28 <Sacro> sorry, was moving rooms 19:38:16 <Celestar> _Jango_: need savegame and will investigate (probably an "official" bug report could help as well) 19:38:35 <_Jango_> one sec, just copying it to public server 19:38:44 <Celestar> upload it to bugs.openttd.org 19:38:49 <_Jango_> ok 19:38:55 <Celestar> so that no double posting happens 19:39:12 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:41:20 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: I still fail to see what I should do about your failing project 19:41:30 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: nothing 19:41:43 <XeryusTC> and it's not failing 19:41:43 <Bjarni> you mean I should tell you about nuclear power, ship building and birds? 19:41:46 <XeryusTC> just started today 19:41:57 <hylje> tell us about tits 19:42:00 <_Jango_> Celestar: just posting now - it's titled "multi-stop problem" 19:42:09 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: you could do that :) 19:42:11 <Bjarni> hylje: (.)(.) 19:42:15 <Celestar> _Jango_: good 19:42:22 <hylje> no, the tit birds 19:42:25 <_Jango_> the save game is rather big :/ 19:42:42 <Bjarni> o_O 19:42:47 <Celestar> _Jango_: how big? 19:42:51 <_Jango_> 2.20Mb 19:42:56 <Bjarni> hylje: are you a child or gay or something? 19:43:03 <Celestar> if it doesn't upload, dcc it 19:43:09 <_Jango_> ok 19:43:10 <XeryusTC> rofl _O- 19:43:17 <Bjarni> rejection of boobs... that's against the laws of nature 19:43:29 <LIIT> aye, that's true.... 19:43:37 <Celestar> hm 19:43:42 <hylje> :>:> 19:43:44 <Celestar> Seagate's 750GB HDD tested 19:44:01 <_Jango_> you've got one?? 19:44:05 <hylje> i can get better tits than puny ascii tits 19:44:11 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: the reason for your project is failing is that you want to get a life and your progress is to make a homepage and get people from IRC to read it 19:44:42 <_Jango_> Celestar: i can't see the attachment, can you? 19:44:53 <Celestar> _Jango_: not yet, but we'll purchase some soon 19:44:53 <LIIT> Bjarni: hmm, nice quote for bash.org :-) 19:45:29 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: uhm, i was planning on finishing the site first and then to tell people, but i couldn't help myself when Sacro asked me to tell something about myself as i dont want to give away my true identity 19:46:16 <Sacro> mmmmmmm tits 19:46:21 <Celestar> _Jango_: I can't see the bug report :P 19:46:30 <_Jango_> it's def there! 19:46:34 <Celestar> number? 19:46:40 <_Jango_> 179 19:47:08 <Bjarni> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/179 19:47:11 <Bjarni> I can see it 19:47:18 <Bjarni> but I fail to see files attached to it 19:47:24 <Celestar> _Jango_: can't see the savegame either 19:47:29 <_Jango_> Bjarni: i think the file attachment failed 19:47:32 <_Jango_> i'm gonna try to dcc it 19:47:40 <_Jango_> but later 19:47:40 *** _Jango_ [n=kvirc@puritan.demon.co.uk] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"] 19:47:50 <LIIT> huh ? That was a bit weird 19:47:58 <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/60275 <-- voting time 19:50:15 <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/60175 <--- awesome one. This guy failed in the basics of getting a life too 19:51:05 <XeryusTC> rofl 19:51:11 <LIIT> lol 19:52:02 <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/60255 <-- gee, I guess that list became pretty long 19:52:10 <Bjarni> how many of you are going to try that now? 19:52:44 <Celestar> hahaha 19:54:07 <LIIT> lol, nice 19:54:27 <hylje> http://www.qdb.us/59854 zomg 19:54:55 <XeryusTC> rofl 19:55:33 <Bjarni> lol 19:55:39 <Bjarni> I got to remember this one 19:55:45 <Bjarni> 59 854 19:55:50 <Bjarni> that should be easy to remember 19:56:06 <LIIT> FLW: "You racist! They're elves. So what if they're black?" 19:56:10 <Bjarni> I just have to remember 59 853 and then add one 19:56:28 <Bjarni> LIIT: drows? 19:56:51 <LIIT> Bjarni: just a random "famous last words" 19:57:54 <Sacro> Bjarni: or remember one and add 59 853 19:58:32 <Bjarni> Sacro: but I can't add more than 8 bit, otherwise it's too much to remember 19:59:22 <Sacro> hmm 20:00:20 <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/60103 <-- it's like saying that steam trains are faster than maglev 20:00:43 <Bjarni> A4 was fast when it was new, but not by modern standards 20:01:09 <Sacro> Bjarni: actually british trains run slower now 20:01:32 <XeryusTC> btw Bjarni, it's pretty lame to post your own quotes ;) 20:02:55 <LIIT> 18841 quotes approved; 9093 quotes pending << hmm, has Bash.org just given up ? 20:02:59 <Bjarni> well, it appears that LIIT wanted to do so, but didn't do it anyway 20:03:09 <Bjarni> if he didn't say anything, then I wouldn't have done it 20:03:10 <hylje> LIIT: they used to have 40k 20:03:13 <hylje> LIIT: pending 20:03:38 <LIIT> Bjarni: I posted to bash.org instead, and it's still pending 20:03:40 <LIIT> hylje: ouch 20:03:45 <Bjarni> see, LIIT did it on bash.org while I used the other database 20:04:49 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181117215.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 20:07:18 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: newsounds? 20:07:50 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! newsounds! 20:08:00 <peter1138> :D 20:08:11 <LIIT> http://www.qdb.us/30108 20:11:11 <Celestar> MiHaMiX: ping 20:11:44 <Celestar> ah .. 20:11:48 <Celestar> cancel echo request 20:13:07 <Celestar> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/166 <= peter1138 should we close this? 20:13:33 * peter1138 looks 20:13:52 <peter1138> i dunno 20:13:57 <peter1138> it doesn't mean anything to me 20:14:10 <Celestar> I don't understand the stack trace 20:14:16 <Bjarni> Celestar: I think so if nobody understands it 20:14:26 <Bjarni> I have no idea what went wrong 20:15:14 <Celestar> peter1138: I mean do we have any chance of getting information out of this stack trace? 20:15:26 <peter1138> Darkvater might 20:15:28 <peter1138> i don't 20:15:35 <Celestar> how? 20:15:50 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-141-200-22.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 20:15:50 <Bjarni> I would not even know where to start to investigate how to gain info from it 20:16:09 <glx> I think KUDr tried to get useful info from it but failed 20:16:20 <Celestar> KUDr: ping 20:16:30 <Bjarni> I think KUDr is one of the best windows guys we got here 20:16:33 <Celestar> Belugas: you there? 20:16:41 <KUDr> pong 20:17:10 <Bjarni> KUDr: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/166 <-- can you get anything useful out of this one? 20:17:18 <Celestar> KUDr: see above (= 20:17:34 <Celestar> at least which symbol crahsed? 20:17:43 <KUDr> Some addresses (from .pdb file): 20:17:43 <KUDr> 0042BF35 static LRESULT CALLBACK WndProcGdi(HWND hwnd, UINT msg, WPARAM wParam, LPARAM lParam) [win32_v.c:182] 20:17:43 <KUDr> 004270B9 ??? [viewport.c:1080..1085] 20:17:43 <KUDr> 0042CB30 DispatchMessage(&mesg); [win32_v.c:717] 20:17:43 <KUDr> 0042709B ??? [viewport.c:1080..1085] 20:17:45 <KUDr> 0042B6F6 return 0; [win32.c:1174] 20:17:47 <KUDr> Not very usefull, i know... 20:17:49 <KUDr> this is all 20:18:33 <KUDr> i know how to mine more info if the calling convention is cdecl 20:18:43 <KUDr> but not with fastcall 20:18:50 <hylje> lordi ! 20:18:51 <Belugas> I'm barely here Celestar 20:19:17 <Celestar> Belugas: are you planning anything with clearing up the rest of the map accesses anytime soon? 20:19:25 <KUDr> Celestar: it crashed in WndProcGdi 20:19:39 <Belugas> Yes i do, at least for industries 20:19:46 <Belugas> and another file that I don't remember 20:19:56 <KUDr> but dunno what args (what event) 20:20:36 <Celestar> Belugas: good so I won't worry (= 20:20:45 <Celestar> KUDr: so is this an openttd crash after all? 20:20:50 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-528571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:21:25 <KUDr> Celestar: not sure as it came from user32.dll 20:21:37 <Belugas> Celestar : I'm stucked right now because of Sounds in Industry_cmd. There are at least 3 different schemes of sounds and they are all shitty, to say the least 20:21:48 <KUDr> never can tell if you don't have .dmp file 20:22:03 <Celestar> Belugas: yeah ... 20:22:12 <KUDr> or have it crashed under debugger 20:22:18 <Celestar> KUDr: does $USER possibly have the dmp file? 20:22:25 <KUDr> no 20:22:32 <Belugas> Celestar : only one need an accessor, the others don't. But since i'm preparing newindustries too, i don't want to to someting that will backfire at me soon 20:22:39 <Celestar> KUDr: so the bug report is worthless? 20:22:48 <Celestar> Belugas: good thinking ^^ 20:22:49 <KUDr> in this case 20:23:05 <KUDr> it can be very helpfull but not in this case 20:23:46 <KUDr> Celestar: we can do nothing i guess 20:23:59 <KUDr> need reproducible case 20:24:07 <KUDr> then it would be easy 20:24:19 <Belugas> and savegame and config 20:24:19 <glx> or at least what happened before crash 20:24:42 *** UnderBuilder [i=UnderBui@168.226.104.17] has joined #openttd 20:24:47 <KUDr> yes, what action 20:24:55 <KUDr> like click on map 20:25:01 <KUDr> drag and drop convert 20:25:03 <KUDr> or so 20:25:52 <Celestar> KUDr: wanna post something like that? 20:27:19 <Celestar> ? 20:30:09 <KUDr> it is already there i guess 20:30:21 <KUDr> nothing is sure 20:30:45 <KUDr> so i would close it as there were no more similar reports 20:31:02 <KUDr> like works for me 20:31:14 <KUDr> i play with ottd every day 20:31:23 <UnderBuilder> I have still problems with my linux ottd 20:31:27 <KUDr> and never had such crash 20:31:37 <Bjarni> UnderBuilder: then you better start to talk about it 20:31:42 <KUDr> i play it undex XP 20:31:47 <KUDr> under 20:32:30 <KUDr> UnderBuilder: report it 20:33:09 <UnderBuilder> the game doesn't find sample.cat nor the lang files but I have those in the right place. The folders and files are in lower case 20:33:22 <Bjarni> ahh that issue 20:33:29 <Bjarni> I thought you fixed that 20:33:40 <KUDr> UnderBuilder: do you have rights on it? 20:33:58 <Bjarni> if I recall correctly, only root had read permission 20:34:14 <Bjarni> so chmod should solve it 20:34:21 <KUDr> i was somebody else i guess 20:34:24 <Sacro> or chown 20:35:04 <Bjarni> <KUDr> i was somebody else i guess <--- ever wondered about seeing a psychiatrist about your condition? 20:35:17 <KUDr> heh sorry 20:35:20 <KUDr> i -> it 20:36:01 <Bjarni> "i was somebody else it guess" <-- even worse 20:36:03 <Bjarni> :p 20:36:05 * Bjarni hides 20:36:11 <KUDr> hehe 20:36:53 <Sacro> im seeing one next week as it happens 20:38:01 <Bjarni> that's good 20:38:23 <Bjarni> it's actually a real life person. I think it's good that you see one of those again 20:38:37 <UnderBuilder> so what is the solution? enter as root and give read permission? 20:38:48 <Bjarni> and you might even have to go there during daylight 20:38:50 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691922079.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 20:39:06 <Bjarni> you know, when it's light outside just like when you turn on the lights indoor 20:39:06 <KUDr> UnderBuilder: yes 20:39:23 <Bjarni> read permission is the best solution 20:39:30 <Bjarni> generally avoid using root if possible 20:39:36 <Bjarni> for security reasons 20:39:42 <glx> UnderBuilder: no need to logout tough, just su in terminal 20:39:57 <Bjarni> one line written by root can break your computer 20:40:46 <glx> Bjarni: like while(1) in init script ? 20:41:08 <CIA-3> celestar * r4907 /branch/bridge/train_cmd.c: [bridge] -Fix: If vehicles crash on a bridge, the no longer end up under the bridge after the crash 20:41:26 <Celestar> guys. 20:41:31 <Celestar> I need more bridge/branch testing 20:42:16 <Bjarni> glx: or rm -fr . 20:42:31 <Bjarni> that one would be really nasty 20:42:36 <glx> yeah this one is even better :) 20:42:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> "if you want to read mail really fast, type 'rm -rf /'" 20:43:15 <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/21414 <-- new way of viewing space colonisation :) 20:43:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> glx: err... what exactly is your diff supposed to do? nothing has changed for me... 20:44:08 <Bjarni> <Chis> anyone have any files in digital format? 20:44:12 <UnderBuilder> new cargos under development? wow 20:44:22 <Bjarni> no, I got an analogue HD :p 20:44:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> "datasette"? ;) 20:44:55 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: what does it do for you? 20:44:57 <Celestar> people, what about doing some devving or testing instead of fucking around in bash.org 20:45:00 <Bjarni> analogue CPUs are also way faster and with better error handling/correction, so overclocking is easier 20:45:05 <Celestar> btw 20:45:10 <Celestar> whats this warning in player_gui? 20:45:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> glx: like i said, nothing 20:45:36 <Bjarni> Celestar: you mean like doing something serious? 20:45:38 <Bjarni> good idea 20:45:39 <Bjarni> bbl 20:46:26 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: if I have an electric train in depot, then convert depot to normal rail, the train can't be start (unless it also has diesel engine) 20:46:36 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-528571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:46:55 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: btw I just found a bug if the train is already running while conversion (you can't stop it) 20:47:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... i can still start the train 20:49:06 <glx> what engine is it and what is the power displayed? 20:50:11 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has quit [Client Quit] 20:51:06 <Celestar> Bjarni: yeah, like testing bridge stuff for example 20:52:02 <Celestar> something the others in here should do as well (= 20:52:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> the engine is a BR 250/BR 155 (DBSetXL) 20:52:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> and th power does not change 20:53:04 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause2: ok what is the problem? 20:53:24 <glx> Celestar: not in trunk :) 20:53:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> the electric train leaving conventional rail thing 20:53:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> *depot 20:53:44 <Belugas> I forgot to tell you Celestar : yesterday, while testing bridges, there was a flickering when one train was on a bridge and the other on on a diagonal track exactly under the train on the bridge 20:53:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/178 20:54:04 <Belugas> not a big think, just a flickering 20:54:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... it might have nothing to do with your diff, glx 20:54:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> it could be a deeper problem 20:54:19 <Celestar> er what diff? 20:54:22 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@83.100.251.147] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 20:54:28 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: it works for me :) 20:54:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> attatched to that task 20:54:41 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@83.100.251.147] has joined #openttd 20:55:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> from what i can see, it checks if power=0, and then prevents from starting 20:55:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> but the power does not get 0 20:55:20 <Celestar> ah ok (= 20:55:27 <Celestar> once its finished, tell me 20:55:33 * Celestar goes digging for some bridge stuff 20:55:57 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-210-53.vodafone-net.de] has quit ["muss wech"] 20:56:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> glx: what engine did you use? 20:56:27 <glx> br250 + br194 20:57:04 <Celestar> me->bed(); 20:57:29 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: what should be the date for br155 ? 20:57:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> br155 is the same as br 250 20:57:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> just renamed 20:57:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> 250 is the east german number 20:57:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> 155 the west german 20:58:02 <glx> ha ok 20:58:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's an east german loco 20:58:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> after the reunification, they had to rename all electric locos from 2xx to 1xx, and all diesel from 1xx to 2xx 20:59:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> because they used different naming schemes 21:00:35 <glx> btw it works here, so I can't see what's wrong 21:00:51 <Celestar> what are 3xx used for in Germany anyway? 21:01:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't know 21:01:35 <Celestar> maybe DMUs? 21:01:39 <Rubidium> Celestar: is it a know 'feature' that there is no speed limit on bridge middle parts? 21:01:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> 4xx is EMUs 21:01:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> and 6xx is DMUs 21:01:51 <Celestar> Rubidium: no, it's a known problem 21:02:07 <Celestar> Rubidium: i'm just working on it 21:02:23 <Celestar> Rubidium: bug m 21:02:29 <Celestar> Rubidium: but keep reporting :) 21:02:48 <Celestar> 8xx are (some?) wagons? 21:02:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's definite... the power is not updated on convert... did i mess up with applying the diff? 21:04:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://www.triebfahrzeuge.de/lexikon_am-d.html 21:04:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> list of numbers 21:05:33 <Celestar> ahhh 21:05:40 <Celestar> 3xx are the Köfs for example 21:06:05 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:06:25 <Belugas_Gone> good night all 21:06:34 <Celestar> nite 21:07:27 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: check DoConvertRail() in rail_cmd.c <-- the power update is fired here in the diff 21:09:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> must have been my mistake 21:09:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> works now 21:10:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> narf... that action changed the look of my BR250 from old red to traffic red :p 21:10:32 <Darkvater> he, finally back 21:11:43 <Darkvater> <Celestar> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/166 <= Darkvater peter1138 requesting permission to close this report <I say wait another day (1 week between last reply) and close it then 21:12:13 <glx> hmm I think this discussion just happened :) 21:13:26 <Celestar> Darkvater: roger 21:16:54 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACBCE476.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:18:15 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:18:27 <CIA-3> celestar * r4908 /branch/bridge/ (bridge.h roadveh_cmd.c train_cmd.c tunnelbridge_cmd.c): [bridge] -Fix: Obey speed limits on bridges 21:18:31 <Celestar> Rubidium: better? ;) 21:18:37 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:19:00 *** Angst [n=Angst@p5494739D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["gn"] 21:21:05 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACBCE476.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 21:21:58 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.24.191] has quit ["Look ma, no script!"] 21:22:37 <Rubidium> Celestar: seems to work ok for trains... but the road vehicles are hopping from 32 to 33 to 32 etc 21:22:55 <Celestar> Rubidium: yah. 21:23:00 <Celestar> noted 21:23:08 <Celestar> Rubidium: do they do that in trunk as well? 21:23:14 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-4716.bb.online.no] has quit ["Bunchie!"] 21:24:10 <Rubidium> yes 21:24:42 <Celestar> so at least that's not a regression (= 21:25:24 <Celestar> Rubidium: kinda annoying nonetheless, right? 21:25:41 <Rubidium> yes 21:26:39 * Celestar goes coding a fix 21:28:00 <Darkvater> he, it's sleepie time again... 21:28:02 <peter1138> yeah 21:28:03 <peter1138> nini 21:28:08 <Darkvater> I've been very active today openttd wise :P 21:28:09 <Darkvater> NOT 21:28:25 <Darkvater> bah 21:28:48 <ln-> yeah, interesting, finland did it. 21:29:34 <glx> did what? 21:29:58 <ln-> that's a secret. 21:30:03 <Sacro> finland? 21:30:24 <ln-> it's a country in eastern europe. 21:30:40 <ln-> politically not that east. 21:30:54 <Sacro> hmmm i cant see it from here 21:31:00 <Celestar> Darkvater: ? 21:34:35 <hylje> all your base are belong to us 21:34:43 <CIA-3> celestar * r4909 /branch/bridge/ (bridge.h roadveh_cmd.c tunnelbridge_cmd.c): [bridge] -Fix: Road Vehicle speed no longer flickers when hitting a speed limit on a bridge (Thanks Rubidium for reporting) 21:34:45 <Celestar> Rubidium: better? 21:34:46 <Celestar> ;) 21:38:16 <Rubidium> yes, but not perfect: the 'bad' behaviour is still present on the bridge entrances 21:38:54 <Celestar> yes, but that is something different 21:39:08 <Celestar> the speed actually gets reduced by the z coordinate change 21:39:53 <Rubidium> no, it's with 'flat' entrance 21:40:04 <Celestar> hm .. weird 21:40:22 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1380.lns1-c9.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:41:43 <Celestar> Rubidium: I'm not quite sure what causes it, so I'll have to wait a bit. anything else? 21:42:19 <Rubidium> not for now, but I'm busy with other things :) 21:42:27 <Celestar> ok 21:42:33 <Celestar> problem reports always welcome (= 21:44:42 *** Zr40_ [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:46:21 <Celestar> preferred would be lots of testing and no problems of course 21:46:32 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, with mart3p's patches, will they be committed? 21:50:19 <glx> Born_Acorn: too late, he's gone to sleep :) 21:55:40 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:56:08 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 21:57:59 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7CDE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:58:59 <Born_Acorn> aww 22:00:42 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Success] 22:00:57 *** UnderBuilder_ [i=UnderBui@168.226.104.17] has joined #openttd 22:01:18 <Sacro> anyone know if you can have a WXGA console? 22:01:40 *** Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: @Darkvater, Prof_Frink, anboni, SchAmane, Jpl, jmp_ghli, yanek, Kjetil, Celestar, e1ko, (+5 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 22:01:42 *** UnderBuilder_ is now known as UnderBuilder 22:01:45 <ln-> ???'? ???? ????????, ???? ??? 22:02:57 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:02:59 <DaleStan> ln-: You might have more success with English. 22:03:18 *** Netsplit over, joins: Kjetil 22:03:41 <ln-> that was english. 22:04:02 <glx> ?? ??? ???? :) 22:04:04 <DaleStan> It arrived here in Cryllic glyphs. 22:05:01 <ln-> i know, but it was english written with cyrillic letters. 22:05:22 <glx> too hard to type cyrillic on a french keyboard :) 22:05:30 <Bjarni> ahh 22:05:35 <Bjarni> me too 22:05:42 <Bjarni> I also want to attack DaleStan with a tank 22:05:51 <Bjarni> do you mind if we do it together? 22:05:56 <ln-> ??? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ????? 22:06:16 <Bjarni> oh, you want to charge Bush first 22:06:39 <glx> ln-: I don't understand the last word 22:06:51 <ln-> "what" 22:07:14 *** orudge [n=orudge@res05-ocr2.res.st-and.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 22:07:14 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:07:14 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 22:07:14 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498CC72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:07:14 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #openttd 22:07:14 *** Ayoze [n=kvirc@cm-213-141-50-126.telecable.es] has joined #openttd 22:07:14 *** anboni [i=daemon@ivory.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:07:14 *** Celestar [n=Jadzia_D@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 22:07:14 *** Jpl [i=jpl@dsl-86-60-135-203-DynIP.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 22:07:14 *** Darkvater [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 22:07:14 *** yanek [i=yanek@atlantis.mitranet.cz] has joined #openttd 22:07:14 *** jmp_ghli [i=rezso@catv-5062a55d.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 22:07:14 *** ServerMode/#openttd [+oo orudge Darkvater] by irc.freenode.net 22:07:17 *** tank_ [i=tank@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #openttd 22:07:21 <glx> just XP :) 22:07:31 <ln-> gtk+ features a nice way to write cyrillic in translitterated way. 22:07:33 <Bjarni> I got ???? from the first senstence and then ??? from the last and replied based on that 22:07:38 *** ProfFrink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:07:42 <Bjarni> ln-: now your tank arrived :) 22:08:05 <ln-> the word is "talk", not "tank" :) 22:08:16 <Bjarni> !insult jmp_ghli 22:08:16 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Bjarni tells jmp_ghli: Why don't you give me your address so I can go and see where a semi-trained chimp with a limp lives when its not banging its paws on the keyboard? 22:08:38 <Bjarni> bots can be so stupid :) 22:08:55 <tank_> Bjarni: hey, i'm here since a long time ;) 22:09:02 <Bjarni> ln-: I'm op and you are not, and I say it's "tank", so it's "tank". Got it? 22:09:12 <Bjarni> [00:07] --> tank_ (i=tank@meinungsverstaerker.de) has joined #openttd 22:09:34 <Bjarni> [00:01] <-- tank_ has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:09:39 <Bjarni> reverse the order of those 22:09:49 <tank_> well, the quitting tank wasn't me 22:09:50 <Bjarni> so you left for 6 22:09:52 <ln-> ???, ??, ???! 22:10:04 <Bjarni> ... 22:10:12 <Bjarni> *6 minutes 22:10:27 <Bjarni> maybe you did the other kind of 6 in those 6 minutes 22:10:54 <Bjarni> ln-: how do you write that? 22:11:13 <Bjarni> I mean, how do you write English with non-latin letters? 22:12:34 <ln-> technically or linguistically? 22:13:27 <Bjarni> I don't get how I should read it 22:13:33 <Bjarni> it's foreign letters 22:13:38 <Bjarni> looks like garbage to me 22:13:48 * Bjarni hides from all Russians 22:14:10 <ln-> you should learn the cyrillic letters then, after that it'll all make sense. 22:15:03 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:16:55 <Bjarni> <Frankstar> I am so fucking pissed. This one guy sold me his air guitar on ebay for 70 dollars and I still havent fucking received shit. 22:17:33 <Bjarni> sounds a bit like the colonial canned air 22:18:18 <Bjarni> before Hong Kong went back to China, they canned air from it and sold it afterwards as "last shipment of colonial air. It's not possible to get it anymore" 22:18:20 <Bjarni> :) 22:19:58 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?1835 <--- hentai actually means pervert 22:20:58 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7CDE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:24:00 <Bjarni> and the channel died :/ 22:24:16 <Bjarni> that's kind of disturbing 22:24:28 <Bjarni> hentai got mentioned and then the channel is completely dead 22:26:25 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:27:24 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:28:46 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@83.100.251.147] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 100,000+ downloads can't be wrong"] 22:28:50 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:29:39 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 22:35:31 *** UnderBuilder_ [i=UnderBui@168.226.104.17] has joined #openttd 22:36:31 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@87.102.21.142] has joined #openttd 22:37:24 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:37:50 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@84.67.229.100] has joined #openttd 22:37:52 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@84.67.229.100] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:40:26 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@84.67.229.100] has joined #openttd 22:43:53 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.1/2006040505]"] 22:48:28 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@84.67.229.100] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.0 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 22:51:14 *** Celestar_ [n=Jadzia_D@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 22:51:33 *** tank__ [i=tank@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #openttd 22:51:40 *** Celestar [n=Jadzia_D@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:51:48 *** tank_ [i=tank@meinungsverstaerker.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:51:51 *** tank__ is now known as tank_ 22:52:54 *** Jpl_ [i=jpl@dsl-86-60-135-203-DynIP.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 22:53:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> [19.05. 00:06] <glx> too hard to type cyrillic on a french keyboard :) <- i changed my keymap so i can write greek letters when pressing AltGr ;) 22:53:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> ?????? 22:53:28 *** UnderBuilder [i=UnderBui@168.226.104.17] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:53:28 *** UnderBuilder_ is now known as UnderBuilder 22:54:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> (i need them occasionally for maths related stuff) 22:54:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> (only problem is, that mIRC can't handle UTF-8 input properly yet) 22:57:42 *** Jpl [i=jpl@dsl-86-60-135-203-DynIP.ssp.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:00:00 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 23:00:16 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [") td@projectjj.com - http://projectjj.com/ ("] 23:00:38 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 23:00:47 *** Darkvater [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:00:49 <Bjarni> then get a proper client 23:00:57 *** Darkvater [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 23:00:58 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 23:01:01 <Bjarni> now that's ironic 23:01:17 <Bjarni> Dark left at 1 O'clock 23:01:22 *** ProfFrink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:01:27 <Bjarni> now that's an early sunrise 23:01:39 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["/quitiup\"] 23:01:44 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 23:05:21 *** Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: @orudge, jmp_ghli, guru3, anboni, Ayoze, yanek, SchAmane 23:09:00 <UnderBuilder> what happen here? 23:09:19 *** orudge [n=orudge@res05-ocr2.res.st-and.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 23:09:39 <glx> just many netsplits :) 23:09:44 <orudge> Indeed 23:09:54 <UnderBuilder> I am out :( 23:10:01 <UnderBuilder> ehm 23:10:04 <UnderBuilder> sorry 23:10:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 23:10:50 <UnderBuilder> I mean that above I haved a conection timed out error and in my IRC client says error in the title 23:10:51 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498CC72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:10:51 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #openttd 23:10:51 *** Ayoze [n=kvirc@cm-213-141-50-126.telecable.es] has joined #openttd 23:10:51 *** anboni [i=daemon@ivory.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 23:10:51 *** yanek [i=yanek@atlantis.mitranet.cz] has joined #openttd 23:10:51 *** jmp_ghli [i=rezso@catv-5062a55d.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 23:11:40 <UnderBuilder> a netsplit is when a server is turned off no? 23:13:52 <valhallasw> UnderBuilder: can be 23:13:59 <valhallasw> or the link between two servers is lost 23:15:44 *** Schamane_ [n=schamane@p5498E7DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:21:45 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498CC72.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 23:22:20 <[Shaman]> a netsplit is when the dataconnection between 2 nodes in a network is lost 23:22:49 <[Shaman]> can be a server set on fire, general connection flaw or just ircops messing around 23:23:28 <Sacro> my local ISP used to have quite a few dropouts, until they moved the cutoff power switches somewhere where people didnt lean on them 23:23:57 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:24:46 *** Schamane_ [n=schamane@p5498E7DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 23:25:19 <Sacro> evening Brianetta 23:26:50 <Brianetta> No 23:26:52 <Brianetta> Morning 23:27:03 <Brianetta> Morning and Happy Birthday, Brianetta 23:27:05 <Sacro> hmm, so it is 23:27:10 <Sacro> happy birthday Brianetta :D 23:27:13 <Brianetta> (: 23:27:19 <glx> Happy Birthday Brianetta :) 23:27:20 * Brianetta jsut turned 31 23:27:21 <Born_Acorn> Merry Easter Ned Flanders! 23:27:43 <Brianetta> Hokely-dokely, Acorny! 23:27:51 * Born_Acorn alerts the media 23:28:31 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: with you around, they're probably already on alert 23:36:03 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:45:11 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [] 23:45:50 <Born_Acorn> lies. 23:46:55 *** eQualize1 [n=lauri@dyn12-72.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 23:49:16 *** CobraA2 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:49:53 *** CobraA2 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 23:50:50 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn12-72.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:50:51 *** eQualize1 is now known as eQualizer